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Issue 399: Tales of the Underworld · Aggressive Negotiations: A Star Wars Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the ned Palty.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, this is Nick and Astasu, story editor on Star Wars,
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  Speaker 2: the Clone Wars and Star Wars bad Batch, and you
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  Speaker 2: are listening to aggressive negotiations.
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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to aggressive negotiations coming at you live
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  Speaker 1: from a very special venue this week, the six oh
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  Speaker 1: two Club, as we are crossing over because we have
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  Speaker 1: a brand new Star Wars show to watch, and no
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  Speaker 1: it's not and or we will be talking about that
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  Speaker 1: in a few weeks, but we are going to be
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  Speaker 1: discussing the brand new and animated series, the short mini
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  Speaker 1: series as they've been doing Tales of the Underworld, and
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  Speaker 1: of course with me as he is for every single
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  Speaker 1: Star Wars episode in the six o two Club, and
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  Speaker 1: of course my esteemed co host and fellow Jedi Master
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  Speaker 1: John Mills.
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  Speaker 3: Hello, Hello, Hello everybody, and hello Matt. I am tickled
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  Speaker 3: that we get to discuss a new animated property, as
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  Speaker 3: we both know, as I think everybody knows, the let's
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  Speaker 3: be honest, the premiere storytelling of Star Wars has been
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  Speaker 3: happening in animation and I'm looking forward to diving into
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  Speaker 3: this and seeing you know what marks they hit and
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  Speaker 3: where the conversation goes with what they explore.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I'm so looking forward to this. I love
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  Speaker 1: when the animated stuff comes out, and I'm gonna throw
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  Speaker 1: you a curveball before we get into the actual conversation,
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  Speaker 1: would love to hear you. Yes, I remember, we actually
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  Speaker 1: do have an email there from aggressive negotiations, and I
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  Speaker 1: promise we will get to that. It just you know,
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  Speaker 1: we've had so much going on with new shows and everything,
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  Speaker 1: and we have a big anniversary actually coming up for
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  Speaker 1: we've got a very special show.
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  Speaker 4: For you there.
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  Speaker 1: But John, the one thing that I wanted to ask you,
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  Speaker 1: because you mentioned as we were going to get started
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  Speaker 1: that you really like the animated material, and everybody knows
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  Speaker 1: who listens to us, I as well do and of
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  Speaker 1: course one of our good friends works on all of
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  Speaker 1: this animated material. But we did get a wonderful surprise
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  Speaker 1: at Star Wars celebration that mall shadow Lord is going
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  Speaker 1: to be the next animated series. As we watch his
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  Speaker 1: meteoric rise before the fall we see when you know,
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  Speaker 1: we find him in Rebels. So I just had to
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  Speaker 1: ask you, how are you feeling about the fact that
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  Speaker 1: one we've got more animated material coming out, and two
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  Speaker 1: we're going to fill in that story there for Darth Maul,
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  Speaker 1: and three some of the people that we might actually
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  Speaker 1: be able to run into with that story.
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  Speaker 3: Honestly, just hearing an announcement of another animated series is
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  Speaker 3: enough to fill me with joy, because I listen when
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  Speaker 3: the announcement was being made, I was at work and
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  Speaker 3: somebody shared a screen cap. I wasn't able to, like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, keep up with the feed or anything like that,
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  Speaker 3: and somebody just shared a screencap saying, Hey, this show
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  Speaker 3: is coming. And my reaction was, this is now officially
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  Speaker 3: the show I'm looking forward to most. It's actually probably
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  Speaker 3: I know, brand me a heretic for it, but I'm
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  Speaker 3: looking forward to it more than any of the movies
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  Speaker 3: they've announced or any of the other projects that they have.
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  Speaker 4: Going like.
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  Speaker 3: Pound for pound, my love my reception of my however
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  Speaker 3: you want to quantify it. When I encounter knew animated
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  Speaker 3: material from Star Wars right now, I encounter it with
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  Speaker 3: the same amount of glee as that kid who was
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  Speaker 3: reading the Marvel Star Wars comics written by Archie Goodwin
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  Speaker 3: back in the nineteen eighties. And actually that's a reference
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  Speaker 3: not to mister Goodwin, but I will be bringing back
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  Speaker 3: as we talk about Tales of the Underworld. But I mean, Matt,
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  Speaker 3: I know you were super excited about Mall. Like we're
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  Speaker 3: hitting more Mall. I mean like he's like he's a cockroach.
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  Speaker 3: We've seen everything except the moment he was born at
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  Speaker 3: this point, and I don't know if I want to
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  Speaker 3: see that, but like it's it's pretty wild, man, it's
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  Speaker 3: pretty wild. Like I'm I'm presuming you're excited about it too.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I mean absolutely one. Because this character that that
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  Speaker 1: as we mentioned, we both really love, and of course,
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  Speaker 1: I think, you know, we both really responded to everything
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  Speaker 1: that they've done with the character since bringing him back,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, the animated show really being the forefront
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  Speaker 1: of that happening, and I'm so excited that, of course
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  Speaker 1: that we're going to be exploring that more. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I think what makes me so excited about this in
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  Speaker 1: the part that I kind of alluded to, is that
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  Speaker 1: I think that this really gives us an opportunity to
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  Speaker 1: be able to focus on that storyline that I think
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  Speaker 1: got basically abandoned when they didn't do anything else with solo, right,
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  Speaker 1: And that is the stuff that I'm really excited to
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  Speaker 1: see because I do expect us to kind of see
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  Speaker 1: that character of Kira at some point in one of
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  Speaker 1: the seasons of this show. There would I can't imagine
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  Speaker 1: them not to have her appear, because she's actually a
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  Speaker 1: part of that story right in that time period. And so,
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  Speaker 1: but the other thing that makes me very excited about
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  Speaker 1: this is is that, you know, all of the chatter
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  Speaker 1: around this show as well, is that they are kind
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  Speaker 1: of utilizing some ideas that George had for the sequels
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  Speaker 1: in this which I find to be fascinated.
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  Speaker 3: Couldn't make me happier, couldn't And well, yeah, well I
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  Speaker 3: agree with you, Hey, it would be great to see
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  Speaker 3: you know, Kira or any other character that I think.
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  Speaker 3: Speak from my perspective, the level of trust that I
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  Speaker 3: have with the people making animation at Star Wars is
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  Speaker 3: it's the one project where I don't find myself game
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  Speaker 3: playing like, oh what if this character shows up and
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  Speaker 3: that character shows up. It's it's a level of trust
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  Speaker 3: that I have where I'm like, whatever I get, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: is yeah, probably going to be better than what I
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  Speaker 3: could have thought of. So I'm not not even not
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  Speaker 3: even you know, this is the team that gave us
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  Speaker 3: the Clone Wars, the Bad Batch, the Tales of series, Like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, come on now, like how much are you
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  Speaker 3: how you know, how much more do they need to
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  Speaker 3: prove themselves? Like it's seriously for me, they're blank check territory.
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  Speaker 3: If they told me they were coming out with a
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  Speaker 3: show about Suballba's childhood, I'd be like, all right, that
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  Speaker 3: sounds good. Yeah, I'm fine.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I would much rather be Kitster, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and and his extence.
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  Speaker 4: You know what it's throwing out for Kitster?
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  Speaker 1: Just can can we just do tail the Tales of Kitster?
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  Speaker 4: You know, you know, listen, don't tempt me.
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  Speaker 3: That's something where you could explore, right, because he stays
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  Speaker 3: with Shmi and then let's say something tragic happens with
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  Speaker 3: Kitster after SMI gets purchased by Owen Lars, which is
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  Speaker 3: not Owen sorry by Cleague Lars, because that's a really
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  Speaker 3: weird way to find a wife, I guess, but you know,
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  Speaker 3: like it's really you know, but that's what I'm saying
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  Speaker 3: is like if the animation team said we're gonna do
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  Speaker 3: Tales of Kitster, it's all right, cool, Sure, I'm gaming,
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  Speaker 3: you're like soul yep.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, done and done.
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm right there with you and so very excited
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  Speaker 1: to see this show and we will be on the
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  Speaker 1: edge of our seats honestly waiting to talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: So but let's get to Tales of the Underworld. You know,
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  Speaker 1: this one involves two different arcs, three episodes each, and
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  Speaker 1: the first arc that we have is about as Sage Ventris,
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  Speaker 1: who we had show up there in the Bad Batch yep.
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  Speaker 1: And of course the question on everybody's mind was how
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  Speaker 1: did she come back? Because you know, for all that
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  Speaker 1: we knew the wonderful book by Christy Golden, which we
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  Speaker 1: both covered and read and very much enjoyed, based off
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  Speaker 1: of Unaired Clone War's arc, she died in a mission
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  Speaker 1: with the Jedi and of course had fallen in love
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  Speaker 1: with Quinlan Voss he had fallen in love with her,
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  Speaker 1: and again, an excellent book, so if you haven't read it,
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  Speaker 1: I highly encourage anybody to go read it. But the
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  Speaker 1: question became like, oh my gosh, you know, are are
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  Speaker 1: they over writing that canon? And one of the things
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  Speaker 1: that I think it was Brad Row, who was the
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  Speaker 1: supervising director there of the of the Bad Batch said,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we're not overwriting that, but it's just not
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  Speaker 1: our place to tell this story here in the Bad Batch,
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  Speaker 1: that's not what we're going to tell that story. So
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  Speaker 1: in the first episode here of the Assage Ventris arc
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  Speaker 1: called a Way Forward, we actually start with the answer
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  Speaker 1: to that question. So not only do we solidify the
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  Speaker 1: canon of that book, which, as we've seen sometimes you know,
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  Speaker 1: the animated series, right, they can kind of override books
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  Speaker 1: that we've had, whether I mean Tales of the Jedi
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  Speaker 1: in some ways, kind of overwrites the whole Ahsoka book
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  Speaker 1: in many ways. And so here though, that doesn't happen.
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  Speaker 1: And so I just wanted to ask you. We literally
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  Speaker 1: start with Assage having died and being brought back to
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  Speaker 1: Dathamir by Quinlan Voss and Obi Wan Kenobi. And so
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  Speaker 1: what did you think of the way in which we
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  Speaker 1: bring this character back to life?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, it's completely fitting.
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  Speaker 3: Again, animation doesn't shy away from the mysticism of Star Wars.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't try to explain it away or anything. It's
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  Speaker 3: like the Night Sisters. Yeah, okay, this totally fits that.
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  Speaker 3: You know that this pool and reviving her and all
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  Speaker 3: that sort of you know, and even the dialogue with
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  Speaker 3: the Spirit of Mother talsand and stuff like that, Like,
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  Speaker 3: all of that works, All of that fits, and it's
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  Speaker 3: a great reminder of again, a faction of Force users
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  Speaker 3: who are neither Jedi nor Sith and they're you know,
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  Speaker 3: they're they're just people who did their.
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  Speaker 4: Thing sort of stuff. And I really I liked it.
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  Speaker 4: I liked that it came back.
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  Speaker 3: But what I really noticed from the very first frame
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  Speaker 3: was we have another evolution in the animation. The way
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  Speaker 3: that the characters moved, the way that the light was
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  Speaker 3: smoothed out on the forms, the way that the curves,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it was still the angular that we're used to,
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  Speaker 3: but the curves were a little bit softer. The lighting
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  Speaker 3: was very.
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  Speaker 4: Stunning.
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  Speaker 3: And that scene where quinnlan Voss lays her in the pool,
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  Speaker 3: I swear it looks like a real body being put
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  Speaker 3: in water, Like it just absolutely was stunning. What like
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  Speaker 3: I And just that very beginning part is like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: oh my gosh, wow, this is great.
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  Speaker 4: What a declaration right here.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, in terms of how they bring her back,
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  Speaker 3: I think it works perfectly well.
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  Speaker 4: Spot on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think one of the things you mentioned there
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  Speaker 1: was just the kind of look and feel of the
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  Speaker 1: show and even that opening scene of pushing in on
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  Speaker 1: the cave there in Datamir and the lighting choice, like
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  Speaker 1: you said, it is just stunning. I mean it it
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  Speaker 1: looks like the type of thing that you would see
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  Speaker 1: in the work of somebody like a Frasier, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you think of Larry Fong's best work, you know, a
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  Speaker 1: dp on at the top of their game, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And so that was wonderful, uh, you know, the shot
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  Speaker 1: choices of you know, the the tear drop hitting her hand,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and all of that is just wonderful and
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  Speaker 1: and and and what I thought was really cool about
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  Speaker 1: you know, going back to Dath and Mir now in retrospective,
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  Speaker 1: having seen the first season of Ahsoka, where we know
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  Speaker 1: that the witches actually come from a galaxy far far
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  Speaker 1: away from this one, right, uh. And and so that
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  Speaker 1: there and yet on that same planet that they're from,
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  Speaker 1: we see one of the Mortise god statues. So there's
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  Speaker 1: this whole interesting aspect to that. And we've already seen
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  Speaker 1: you know, those gods be able to bring somebody back
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  Speaker 1: to life in Ahsoka, right, And so the fact that
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  Speaker 1: we've seen that we've also seen Darth Maul basically you know,
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  Speaker 1: given legs, you know, had great legs created out of
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  Speaker 1: magic and taking away his madness. And you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: no surprise to me that massage of Interests could come
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  Speaker 1: back this way. What I thought was really beautiful was
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  Speaker 1: basically the Faustian type of deal though, that she has
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  Speaker 1: to make in that, which is that if she wants
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  Speaker 1: to come back, she can't have what her heart desires most,
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  Speaker 1: which is Quinlan Voss. And I found that that really
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  Speaker 1: interest that then she makes that choice to come back
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  Speaker 1: because it seems like in so many ways, after that
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  Speaker 1: experience of Dark Disciple, that would be the thing that
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  Speaker 1: would make life worth living for her in many ways.
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  Speaker 1: And so then the think it feels like to me,
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  Speaker 1: the rest of this series with her, the rest of
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  Speaker 1: this episode and then the other two episodes are almost
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  Speaker 1: about her finding a purpose for a life reborn.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I think that.
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  Speaker 3: That moment when she makes the deal is specifically interesting
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  Speaker 3: because much like Faster anybody else who makes that Devil's bargain,
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  Speaker 3: they're always thinking, oh, well, i'll figure out how to
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  Speaker 3: beat the devil. I'll figure it out later. I'll just
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  Speaker 3: agree to it now and I'll figure it out. And
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  Speaker 3: I think there's that layer to it where she's thinking, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I agree, sure, sure, sure, without my heart's desire whatever,
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  Speaker 3: and in the back of her mind, without it being
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  Speaker 3: explicitly stated. I think you can clearly tell she's like,
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  Speaker 3: I'll worry about that when I worry about that when
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  Speaker 3: I get there. And I think that she then has
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  Speaker 3: the realization over time of they weren't kidding and so yes,
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  Speaker 3: you know, to your point, I have to find another
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  Speaker 3: reason to live. I think that there's you know this,
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  Speaker 3: and this will come back when we you know, talk
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  Speaker 3: about the.
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  Speaker 4: Cad Bane arc.
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  Speaker 3: But I think the beauty, one of the beauties of
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  Speaker 3: this arc is that there is a lot of stuff unspoken.
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  Speaker 3: There's a lot of stuff that is leaning into As
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  Speaker 3: George Lucas as everyone loves to say, both lovingly and mockingly.
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  Speaker 3: Film is a visual medium, and so there's a lot
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  Speaker 3: that I think plays on Ventureance's face and reactions that
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  Speaker 3: gives those cues, gives those hints to I'll agree to
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  Speaker 3: this deal, but I'll figure a way through it. And
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  Speaker 3: then when we meet her again, she's realized, oh, well,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going to be able to make the deal anymore,
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  Speaker 3: or be able to beat the deal, I should say,
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  Speaker 3: but I think that what's super interesting is that when
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  Speaker 3: we do see her, when we see her move to
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  Speaker 3: rescue a Jedi, it's a really interesting world building moment
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  Speaker 3: because you see again the idea of how your fellow
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  Speaker 3: citizen will sell you out in a heartbeat, and you
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  Speaker 3: also see her change of heart. This is a character where,
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  Speaker 3: let's say, this is even the first time you encounter her,
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  Speaker 3: she's brought back to life by dark magic. She has
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  Speaker 3: a tie to these dark siders. But when we see
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  Speaker 3: her out in the world afterward, she's committing an act
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  Speaker 3: of great compassion and charity. And you know, I think
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  Speaker 3: that's beautiful. Like, you see a whole lot of growth
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  Speaker 3: in the character just within a couple of minutes. With
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  Speaker 3: the way they advance the story, I think that's beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I agree with you. I think that's
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  Speaker 1: the one of the interesting parts about this, especially in
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  Speaker 1: light of the book Dark Disciple, because you know, we
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  Speaker 1: know that she died to give her life for Quinlan
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  Speaker 1: Voss basically, and so she is not a verse to
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  Speaker 1: doing that now, and yet her whole goal right now
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  Speaker 1: at least is she comes back and she's on this
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  Speaker 1: planet just working to curity for a shuttle service. She
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  Speaker 1: wants a quiet life, which in some ways makes complete
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  Speaker 1: sense after the life she had lived in the Clone Wars,
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  Speaker 1: and you know what she had been put through with
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  Speaker 1: Dooku as her master. And so I love that aspect
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  Speaker 1: there of where she doesn't really even question the moment
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  Speaker 1: she realizes that he's a Jedi and they open the
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  Speaker 1: door and there's all of these stormtroopers out there, she
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  Speaker 1: immediately shuts the door and and just goes into action
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  Speaker 1: in some ways the same way that any other actual
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  Speaker 1: Jedi would do, right, And so's it's a wonderful moment
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  Speaker 1: of allowing us to kind of, I think, get a
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  Speaker 1: real picture of who this character has become in her rebirth.
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  Speaker 1: And yet at the same time, she's still very venturous
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  Speaker 1: about the whole thing, right, you know, she's still pretending
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  Speaker 1: in some ways and maybe not completely pretending to just
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  Speaker 1: to be put upon, you know that, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 1: I got to take care of somebody else, and will
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: you just shut up? And you know what I love
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: about that is that even though she's a character who
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: has kind of moved past the life of complete selfishness
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: and has moved more towards the life of selflessness. She's
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: not happy about it, right, Like it's not it's not
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: like her her favorite thing. She's not obi wan kenobi
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: about it. And and I really appreciate that that we
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: don't actually lose all she is as a character. But
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: there has been that monumental shift of who she is
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: as a character, which is when she sees somebody in need,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: she can't help herself now. And I kind of love at.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I think that.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: The the neatest part though of of this, you know
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: her our first encounter with her, I mean, not the
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: neatest like it. But it's another neat part is I
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: realized something suddenly with the inquisitors. Uh when it comes
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: to this is with ah Soca and now with Venturess
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: and with others. The inquisitors against actual seasoned force users
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: are nothing like. It adds a whole layer to venturous dispatching.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: The inquisitor shows what it's shown.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, she does get her button handed, but if
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: he hadn't been there, but.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: What But what I'm what I'm saying is that these inquisitors,
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: Vader doesn't fail at this mission. Oh right, absolutely, you
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: know somebody who's a true you know, you know, disciple
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: of the dark Side sort of thing. You suddenly realize
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: how the Inquisitors really are just cannon fodder where it's like, okay,
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: they'll go get them, and then it's Vader shows up
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: when it's it plays into Rebels if anything, where it's like, okay,
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Vader shows up. Why because the Grand Inquisitor couldn't get
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: the job done. Even he couldn't get that job done.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: All right, fine, I'll show up and I'll do it.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: But there's a.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: There's a beauty to that as well, seeing her fight
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: against somebody that is, you know, ostensibly would have been
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: on her side sort of thing. I think that's beautiful
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: and I think it actually probably the most beautiful shot
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: in the first episode, you know, when when they're when
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: they're running and they get to that docking bay, is
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: that it's that far shot where the Inquisitors on screen
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: right and she's on screen left and they've got their
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: their sabers lit. It's so evocative of the shot when
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: mal and Obi Wan are about to face each other
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: uh In in that episode of Rebels. I know, I
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: keep sort of like rambling about this stuff.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: But it's like.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: Venturos now is a character that we have seen pretty
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: much every stage of her life, and it's pretty interesting
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: to see her growth. She really is and we've talked
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: about this, you know, in other conversations, but she really
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: is this dark mirror of Ahsoka, and it's like it's
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: one of those things where it's it's such a beautiful
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: thing to know that we've seen so much of their
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: arcs and we see how they are both let down
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: by the people who they trusted most and that, but
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: then they both go off and essentially become Ronan. Yeah,
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: in two different ways. Uh yeah, I just think it's
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: really fascinating.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and I think the the other really
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: interesting part of that that I really like is the
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: way in which ah Sosca and Venturs kind of slowly
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: moving kind of closer and closer together as in who
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: they are, right, there's still very much themselves, but there
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: there is a sense where that's kind of happening, which
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: is is interesting and and and in fact too, you know,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: even kind of see with season one of Ahsoka, you know,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: her being in a place where because of all of
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: her experiences, you know she is, and especially then her
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: experience with Sapeine, you know, she's much less sure of
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: herself than we had seen before, you know. And what's
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: interesting is is watching this story with Assage, where you know,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: by the end of her arc, she seems to almost
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: be much more sure of herself than she is at
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: the beginning, And that's part of that work of rebirth,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: which I think is really interesting and I love to
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: you know, one of the things we talk about many
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: times is that the way in which the animation helps
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: tie together all of Star Wars, right, it becomes kind
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: of the glue that really fits all the pieces together.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: And this connects very well then with what we saw
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: in the Obi Wan series and the fact that there
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: is this Jedi path, right, and we saw Quentland Voss's
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: name on the wall in the Obi Wan Kenobi show,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: and now we have that again, the fact that there
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: are there is this Jedi underground happening. And I liked
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: that connection, and I loved the way in which, you know,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: that piece kind of drives Ventress even further into helping
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Lego here at the beginning, and at the same time,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: you know, she actually comes clean with him to say Hey,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: I wasn't on your side. I was not a Jedi,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: and I probably killed a lot of people you knew personally,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: and that's an interesting choice as well. So I mean
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: this again, this first episode just has so much that's
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: kind of happening in it, and it's amazing that, you know,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: it's like sixteen minutes long.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: I love that.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: When we bound into the second episode, and this is
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: where I'm going to heap praise. I made reference to
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: the Marvel comics before. What I find great about Ventresses
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: arc is pre Archie Goodwin. It was Howard Chaikin that
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: worked on the Marvel Star Wars comics.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: He worked on the adaptation, and then he uh.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Oh Chakin was the artist who was the somebody. Somebody
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: out there as old as I am is flipping out
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: because I might have mixed up the names here anyway,
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: I'll look that up in a second. But the first
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: run of Star Wars comics post adaptation of the original film.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: The highest praise I can give this venturous arc is
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: that is evocative of those adventures that I read as
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: a kid that were so wild and imaginative and strange
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: but still felt part of the universe. It's where we
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: you know, that arc I'm talking about is where we
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: first encountered Jackson the Big Green Rabbit who later came
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: back through you know, hipster call outs and resurrections in
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: the comics and everything like that. But like, you know,
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: this is this our captures so much of that Gopher broke,
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Star Wars verve that was there in the late seventies
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: and early eighties when there were no rules. This feels
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: like there are no rules, even though we know there
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: are rules. You know, it's much more. There are many
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: more guidelines and stories for it to navigate in, but
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: it still has that same freshness to it that those
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: original stories did.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the second part called friends. I really
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: enjoy the fact that we bring in Lats from the
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: bounty hunting arc that Ventures was a part of, and
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: realizing that we can kind of deal in some ways
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: with that relationship that she had previously, uh, and kind
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: of get the justtaposition of you know, who Ventures used
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: to be and who she is now with Lats, you know,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: who hasn't changed at all. Uh, and of course Ventriss,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: who has come very far from where she was previously.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: And and so I love that and I just love
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: the the kind of inventiveness of setting this on a
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: mission to go pick up an Imperial star destroyer shield
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: relay from one of the Flecktor domes, and you're on
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: this planet where they're building all these new ships for
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: the Empire because we're still early enough where the Venitor
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: would still have been the main ship, and so they're
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: creating all these star destroyers, and so there's just to me,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: that's the place that I really loved that. But it's
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: interesting the way in which we actually kind of shift
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: the focus in this episode. It's as much about Leko
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: and his decision do I trust ventures with what I
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: know about her or do I trust somebody else and
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: realizing that the world he's in now, trust is not
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: going to come easy. And I love that because it's
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: teaching him obviously an incredibly valuable lesson if he wants
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: to survive. But two again, it's driving home the thematic
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: element of who is Ventuss going to choose to be
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: in her new life and who she chooses to be,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: especially even just by the end of this episode, is
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: somebody who is trustworthy to a person like Leko, which
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: I loved.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I yes, everything you're saying Also, as a side note,
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: I did look it up while you were talking. Howard
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: Chaikin was a co writer, but it was the main
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: driver on the writing for the first stretch was Roy
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: Thomas Chiken was the artist, but I was only partially confused.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: But yeah, reuniting with with characters from that Clone Wars arc,
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: especially since I'm doing that Clone Wars rewatch with with
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: my well, I mean first time watch with one of
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: my daughters and you know rewatch for me obviously, seeing
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: those characters come back so soon after I had rewatched
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: that episode, that was a special delight for me because
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, yeah, I just saw them. And
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: it speaks to your point, because that is something that
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: Star Wars keeps coming back to, is who's able to
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: change it who was not? And so having Venturess encounter
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: people who could not change is throws into stark relief
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: again how much she has, how much she's grown.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's interesting to me because this this moves
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: along the story. But this really is kind of the
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: middle episode to be the connective tissue of the entire thing,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: because the true lessons and the really interesting kind of
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: dynamics of really kind of forcing Venturess to make the
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: decisions of one who is she going to be? Is
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: she going to try and break the a deal that
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: she made to come back to life by trying to
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: find Quinlan Voss and all of that come to a
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: head in One Warrior to Another when she actually runs
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: into somebody who not only knows who she used to be,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: but basically revers her for who she used to be.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: And so the choice then that she has to make
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: on whether to just trust what he has to say
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: or to trust this person she just met who's also
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: a Jedi, was an incredible juxtaposition there for the character
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: to be placed in the middle of. And what I
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: love about that is how quickly it allows the character
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: to be forced to make that decision. Okay, again, life
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: comes down to the choices we make, So who am
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: I going to choose to be in this situation? And
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: you know, it's one of those things where I think
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: they just do a really good job of doing that.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: And the beauty that is using this kid right, you know,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: out of the mouth of babes Lecho living the life
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: of the Jedi and and the true lessons of the
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Jedi in such a wonderful way there reinforce. Then who
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: she is going to choose to be?
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't know how much I
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: can add to that except that just the beauty of
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: one the title of the episode being one warrior to another,
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: somebody in there as a star Trek six fan.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Yes they are, That's all I could think.
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: I saw that.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: I was like general Chang reference, well done. And also,
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: you know, just songs we're going through. I hear where
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: the inspiration for the music were tempt from Indiana Jones
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: and the Last Crusade here and there, which is cool.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: I get you, I hear you, I recognize it.
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: But also I think again getting to the beauty of.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: The story is you know, people can change, that there
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: is space and room to grow, no matter how scared
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: you are about it. And the fact that we see
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: an echo that we can then pick up on and
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: apply forward to for instance, the sand people on Tatoine,
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: where that's just sort of legacy animosity between them and
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: settlers and stuff like that, and then we see that
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: growth into the Mandalorian and we realize it's all based
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: on misunderstanding and not wanting to to give up the
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: fight as it were. And I think that it's a
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: it's a beautiful thing and just but that moment where
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: she counsels the old man, you know about about changing
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: and embracing and listening. Man, you know, there's there's a
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: lesson there that like this is, this is true Star
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: Wars at its core is it's got a lesson that
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: you and I can hear and understand. But it's a
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: lesson the kids need to hear too. You can't hold
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: on to being mad. You gotta let it go at
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: some point and you gotta you gotta work through it.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: You gotta, you know, because that's and you've got to
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: learn to be self less instead of selfish. You can't
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: say no, I'm not going to talk to them because
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: I want Well you have to consider what what everybody
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: wants and needs.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean, you know, like you said, it
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: come down to the whole choice of can you change?
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: You know, can you see things the way they are?
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Are you going to be caught in a loop?
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: And you know that this self perpetuating loop that of
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: you see everything and again you know, the grandfather of
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: the story sees everything in the with the veneer of
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: war over it right that it's like he's wearing the
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: war glasses and he can't see anything except outside that
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: view yep, and so Ventus has to remind him, no,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: you're not actually at war. You're literally just living on
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: a planet and you're supposed to be a farmer. And
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: these raiders quote unquote, they're just protecting what's theirs because
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: you've been attacking them and stealing their water, you know.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: And so gotta love that the fact that the raiders
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: are very mad Max vibe well done. Yes, I thought
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: that was very fun. Of course mad Max in the
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: sense that they're like, you know, two feet tall.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: Oh. But see, the thing is, I actually thought that
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: was great because that's a classic Star Wars sort of
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: thing too. It's very you know, just like it's just
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: it's you recognize it, but it's not quite real world.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: It's just a little bit off.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I wanted to ask you though that at the end,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: you know, they find the path, Leco can go off
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: on the ship, and yet he chooses to stay with
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Venturous and they basically kind of right off into the sunset,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: you know, Last Crusade style. I mean, it feels like
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: to me that if we never saw Ventures again, it
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: would be a complete disservice to this character, especially with
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: the fact that we see her in the future in
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: the bad Batch and it feels like there's a lot
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: of story that happens to her. Yep, when she meets Omega,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: you know, and we also know, you know, Omega goes
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: off to join the rebellion on Yavin, and so there's
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: just it just really does feel like there's an incredible
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: amount of story here that that it would be a
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: travesty if they never fill in.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, don't have anything to add to that. Absolutely,
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: I would love to see a venture series. I'd love
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: to see even if it's one season. I'd love to
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: see it. Just take take me with her. I mean,
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: we already know that she's solo by the time bad
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: Batch shows up, or at least I'm presuming she is.
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: So well, give me that story.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: What happened? Why was it something tragic? Was it simply
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: growing and saying, okay, we got to go our separate ways?
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: Did somebody else join the rebellion? You know, like that
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: sort of thing. So I think that would be that'd
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: be great.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, you know, if we don't get any
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: more venturous, it'll be very sad, and it's obviously left
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: wide open for that to happen. And yeah, man, would
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: it be crazy if Adventures shows up in Ahsoka season two.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: I think the odds against that are very high, but
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: I would love it. It would be great, It'd be great.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, we have a whole other arc with the
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: with cad Bane, and basically this is cad Bane's origin
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: story of where he comes from and you know what
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: makes him tick, and you know, so that first episode
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: The Good Life is all about his introduction to a
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: life of crime, and it feels like it takes place
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: in Brooklyn and or a planet that looks very much
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: like Brooklyn with its store shops and it's overhead trains.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: I just expected Spider Man to be swinging by at
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: any point. And and and really this does have that
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: mob stir, gangster style type of movie feel to it
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: with the story that we're telling about how these two
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: young orphans kind of get caught up in the life
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: of crime but then end up going different ways.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: It's hard for me to talk about this one episode
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: at a time.
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we don't have to know. I'm not I'm not.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: I'm not advocating to go one episode at a time,
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: I want to say that as much as I love
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: the venturous arc, I've made no secret of the fact
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: that cad Bane is one of my favorite Star Wars characters.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: He's He's definitely a top ten, if not a top five.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: Like I I love the character encountering him as a
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: child and going forward and seeing that echo again of
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: the lesson that Star Wars was constructed to teach, which is,
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: you can be selfish or you can be self less,
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: and life is going to be better if yourself less.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: And the fact is that this is some of the
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: most beautiful animation works I've ever seen, and it's some
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: of the most low key beautiful writing I've seen on television.
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: Recently.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: There is exactly the right balance between what is said
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: and what is not said, and there are moments that
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: are truly beautiful. And again, if you want to talk
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: about Indiana, Jones references bringing it back to just talking
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: about the first episode, meeting the man with the hat
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: that's going to influence the course you take with your life. Again,
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: I think that's a beautiful, beautiful thing because it gives
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: me that little chuckle of how that's how it went
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: for Indiana Jones as well. He meets the man with
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: the hat that you know, eventually the you know, the
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: mantle is taken up by him when he puts on
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: the hat, and you know, just sticking with that first episode,
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: what's beautiful and then it extends through the rest is
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: they do such a good job of establishing the world
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: that these kids know that it is the shopkeepers and
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: the strange rooms in the back and the people doing things,
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: and it's simply life. It's not nobody's having profound discussions
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: about what's going on. These two street kids are simply
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: trying to survive and they just want to have candy
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: and sugar and fun and the stuff that any kid deserves.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: Like you look at it and it's so tragic in
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: this beginning because it's like, oh wow, these kids don't
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: have parents, and they don't have love, and they don't
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: have anything but each other and theft, and it's like
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: that's so heartbreaking. It's so like I knew I was
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: in trouble emotionally meeting cad Bane like this because it's
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: done so particularly well, and it smashes open because cad Bain,
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: remember that very first time you meet him at the end,
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: of Season one of the Clone Wars. He's already that
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: you know, super bad mamagamma Clint Eastwood type, you know,
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: the Gunslinger, super cool thought of all the angle sort
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: of stuff. And then just like the Anakin to see oh,
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: he started life as a child too, and it wasn't
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: until he had to make a series of decisions that
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: he turned out the way that he was when I
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: first saw him, Like, that's you know, the fact that
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: cad Bane got this treatment was both a beautiful thing
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: that I didn't deserve and a dirty trick that I
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: hate them for because now whenever I see Him'm gonna
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: be like, oh, that poor kid, look at what happened
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: to him.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: This is going to be an interesting conversation because I
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: like the cad Bane episodes, but I think they are lacking.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: And a big part of that is that while watching them,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: I felt like they were making you inference too much.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Because you and I and many others, especially adults right
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: that love film, you will know all of the things
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: they're pulling from that give this story meaning for what
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: these kids are experiencing the life of crime. Thing the
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: mobster movies. We've watched the Gangster movies we've watched, and
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: I did not feel like ever in this, this this arc,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: that they did enough to legitimize the choices that Bain makes,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: especially by the end, I felt like they were just
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: there was too many places where I needed just a
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: little bit more about why Bain is so gung ho
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: to make the choices that he's willing to make. I
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: feel like there's just not enough. It's not as polished
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: as it needs to be. And and I will say this,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: it's not what I is not. It's not as polished
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: as I expect, especially in light of the Venturous Arc
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: or any of the work that they've done in the
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: Tales of series, whether it's been Empire or Jedi, and
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: of course you know what we've seen in the Clone
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Wars by the end of it, bad Batch, I just
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: expect a higher bar to be reached in that and
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: this one. Now hear me say this, I'm not saying
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: this is bad at all. I still like it. I
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: still think it's good, but it doesn't reach the level
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: that I expect this Tales of series to reach in
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: the sense of like greatness. This one just leaves me
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: a little bit cold. And that is frustrating for me because,
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: like you, Cad Baine is my favorite bounty hunter in
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Star Wars. You know, when it comes to like you're
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: picking your different characters in like bounty Hunter or you know,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: for the Empire or Jedi or you know, Smuggler, all
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: these kind of things, it's like, you know, you can
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: have your favorites, and cat Bane's my favorite. And there's
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: just a little bit something to put it in the
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: phrase of a John Mayer song, something's missing from this
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: arc for me, and.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: That okay, let me start my diatribe about all the
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: ways that you are wrong.
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: But that's okay.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: I'll offer this as a counterpoint one. I don't see
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: the deficiencies, but taking your argument and breaking it down,
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: I get what you're saying. It's not that I don't
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: understand what you're saying. I'm saying that the construction of
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: the arc is, in my estimation perfect, because like the
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: the prequels, when Lucas was completely by the time he
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: was completely comfortable telling it. You know, the way it's
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: been compared before by myself, by others, by you as
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: you know, blah blah blah, is it's like jazz. They're
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: playing the important notes. So the important notes are seeing
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: him being taken in and that first decision of abandoning
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: his friend, and then the second decision of you know,
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: seeking revenge, and that third decision of seeking revenge again.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: And the fact that he consciously walks away from his
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: own son at the end of it, like and the fact.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: That the the.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: Storytellers have the restraint, the restraint not to have his
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: friend expressly say, but Cad, he's your son. Like the
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: fact that it's left unspoken because you realize that his friend,
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: who has raised the boy as his son, is not
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: saying it because he doesn't want to be the one
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: that scars the kid. He leaves the question for the kid.
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: He leaves it to Baine to decide. If you tell
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: this kid that you're his real father, you're responsible. And
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: the thing is, it's that little spark, that weird spark
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: moment of Bain walking away and not saying anything to
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: the kid. That's that's gorgeous. I watched this arc with
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: my kid, and I can tell you that the inferences
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: and the references work. I think that you have an
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: incredible moment when he goes back and sees his reflection
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: in the store window that's now shut up, and he
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: sees his reflection as a child and he shoots it
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: like that's that's visual storytelling I'm not getting in live
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: action shows right now, and that and and the thing
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: is like in you know, it's a beautiful moving moment.
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: And then I get mad because of like why can't
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: I get this in other places? Why can't I get
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: more of this sort of thing?
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: I mean I agree that this is this is above
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: a lot of things that that we watch. I I
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: would still die on the hill that this show, this arc,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: it does not do enough to explain to me why
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: Colby a ka Cad Baine is so hardhearted, is so
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: unmovable in any way, shape or form. And uh I
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: I feel like it again, it's like it just needed
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: one to two more. Oh I see, I couldn't And
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: I get, I get what you're saying. Yeah, but I
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: just I don't. I don't agree And I think I
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: think that again it's like lacking that one to two percent,
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: which which would actually put it over the bab.
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: Oh see see I again I can't disagree more because
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: you have him in his childhood, he makes that first decision.
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: Then when we pick up with him again. We know
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: he's been with the man in the hat all that time,
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: who has shaped his worldview and he loves and that
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: person is taken away from him, and there's that anger,
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: and then he's betrayed by the woman he loves and
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: winds up in prison for it. I don't think you
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: need much more than that to be you know, hard hard.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: I get what you're saying. But the problem is is
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: that for me, you have this character who has this
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: relationship with this woman, and what's fascinating to me is
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: that the relationship with himt with this this guy Laslow
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: is more important than the relationship he has with her
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: and I and I can understand how, and I can
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: infer how an orphan needs a father figure and this
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: guy kind of becomes that for him. But again, the
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: way in which cad Baine just kind of comes off
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: is the complete, just total, and I'm going to keep
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: this very friendly for families, But he is the worst.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: He is the absolute worst in the decisions that he makes,
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: the fact that.
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: He yeah, he makes bad decisions, sure.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: No I know, but like, but the beauty that I
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: love about Okay, you brought up the prequels, right, is
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: that every decision Anakin makes is the kind of this
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: this good intentions path there are.
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: Actually it's slowing the Tuscans. Wasn't really a good intention
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: I'm to get.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: What I'm saying, though, is like there there's there's this
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: understandable thought process as to why Anakin kind of makes
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: the choices that he does.
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: And I think that's completely there with cad Baine.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: And I disagree it's not there enough, specially when it
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: comes to his relationship with Aaron, especially when its relationship again.
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: Do you want to see the first or something?
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: No, what I want to see is what happened in
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: his life to make him turn so like his heart
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: is a complete heart of stone.
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: You see those things, No, you don't.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: You don't see those things.
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: You know you don't see. You have to infer those things,
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: and there are.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: Look, we've talked about this so many times. Things need
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: to show. Please no show.
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: The showdow negotiation, and we don't show you listen the show.
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: Do tell phrase is so massively abused and misused by.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Everybody who's making don't abuse it in the way I'm
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: using it. Disagree with may disagree about that one I
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: bet I have a friend who would agree with us.
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: You might have a friend. That's possible. Whether they agree
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: with you as immaterial. But and and call appeal to authority,
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: how dare you? That's not that's not cool.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: The I've appealed to authority, can't I've appealed to editing,
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: which is another thing that you like to talk about.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: And and I've appealed to storytelling. And all three of
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: those agree with me in this.
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: Oh oh do they do? They?
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: They do, by the way, appeal to appeal to authority
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: as somebody who was in the debate club that loses
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: you points.
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: Just so you know it's a negative.
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: But in terms of everything that's being told with cad Baine,
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: you see the moments that turn him into what he
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: is by the end of it. You see those moments
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: he makes the first bad decision that sets everything off.
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: He has a character telling him, don't go off to
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: seek revenge. This isn't what you're going to want to do.
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: Then that character betrays him and he winds up getting
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: sent to prison. That's also a thing that will that
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: will make some The.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: Thing about this is that she tells him specifically, there's
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: more to this than you know, because she hasn't had
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: the time to tell him, hey I'm pregnant yet. Yes,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: I know, and and but my point is is again
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: he chooses revenge over her. Yes, And what I don't
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: what I don't think that the episodes do a good
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: enough job of is showing you specifically as to why
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: Colby would make these decisions to turn into Cad Baine
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: who becomes this cold hearted turd face. No that nothing
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: moves him, no except for the idea of revenge. What
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: what drives him to the point where all that's left.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: That's the point is that the Okay, the thing is,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: you're digging in your heels. You're not even listening at
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: this point. And that's fine, that's fine. But when he
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: gets to the point where he has shot his former
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: best friend who's dying, and then he realizes that former
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: best friend has been taking care of his son this
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: whole time and has acted as a father to him
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: that he couldn't be and he turns away and walks off. Yeah,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: that's a decision too, and he's deciding to be that way.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: It's not that he's passively embracing fate and saying, well,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: this is my life. Now he's saying, Oh, the way
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: he's going to survive is to be that he has
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: to decide to go down that path, and he decides
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: it's a very active way to do it. And like,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: I just couldn't disagree more with you about this whole,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: this whole thing.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: Like again, you hit, It's fine, It's not the first
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: time you've been wrong in our conversations.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I'm sure I'm looking forward to our and
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: or discussion when I may throw some of these things
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: right back at you.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's okay, that's that's a straight up masterpiece.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: And yeah, the viewing numbers, yeah, definitely.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: But I think I I totally get what you're saying.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: All I'm saying is it needs one percent more.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: And I'm just saying and that's like walking into a
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: designer and saying.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: That is because in tails of the Jedi Tales of
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: the Empire, in those last few seasons of the Clone Wars,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: the Bad Batch, I don't have any of these type
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: of critiques like this, but this one I do, and
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: it just feels like this. I my opinion is that
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: this arc does not feel like it has the the
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: quite the polish it has polish, but it doesn't have
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: quite the polish that even just the Massage Ventris arc as.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: Now this, this, this arc does have some incredible visuals.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: That moment of the standoff there in the second episode
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: where the Embers are flying by them just drop dead gorgeous,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: Like you know, all of that stuff here is on
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: an incredible level and meets with all of my expectations.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: You know, I love all that. I think they do
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: such a great job in that.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: And so.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: I don't want anybody to hear this to say, you know,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: if you're listening to this, I'm not saying this isn't
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: a good arc. What I'm saying to me, this isn't
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: a great arc. And so and again, it's not like
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: it's bad. It just doesn't reach the heights that I've
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: come to expect from the work of the animated team
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: there at Star Wars over the last few years. And
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: you know, it's fine if if you know, again, I
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: just rewatched it before we recorded, and it's not like
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: I don't like it at all, it's just not I
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: if I have a choice, I'd rewatch you know, arcs
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: and Tails the Jedi or the Assage arc or Tails
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: the Empire before I watched this one again.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: So that's fine.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: I will take the role of the saying here and
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: just it's it's it's a low key, just absolute toward
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: a force in visual storytelling and in uh tragedy honestly,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: because Cad Baine is completely responsible for every one of
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: these decisions that screw up his life and he doesn't
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: have regret about it. Like that's what makes him even
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: worse is he doesn't express any regret about it. Vader
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: where you know, Vader's you know, sad about it, you know,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: at least implied. He is like, oh no, I cause
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: these things and this is terrible. I did these things.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: Cad Baine's fine not redeeming himself. In fact, we're going
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: to see him all the way to the end of
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: his life. We've now seen his entire lifespan. Basically, No,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: he just doubles down, like right, and that in and
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: of itself makes him an even more character that he
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: isn't sitting there saying oh no and being passive about it.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: He's making these choices as he goes along and he's like, well, yeah,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: I made this choice and I'm going to stay. And
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: there are people who are just that stubborn who aren't
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: going to look at it and you know, uh uh,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: you know reconsider they're just going to choose this is
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: this is what I chose, and I'm therefore right and
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to change my mind because that's just
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: how I want it to be.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: Sure, No, and I agree with that. My only contention
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: is is that if you're going to have her have
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: a character be that in Transient, I would love a
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: little bit more understanding as to why they are that
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: in Transient. I'm just by their heart is so dead inside.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: I'm just offering that I'm not the only person who
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: who picked up on this.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: This is obviously just going.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: To be a point of disagreement between the two of us,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: whether you want to make an appeal to authority or not.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 4: I I am.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: No again, it's it's again.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: I love on this one.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: Totally fine with it. It doesn't bother me that we we disagree.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: I think obviously too, it makes for a fun show
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: for everybody to to be able to listen to. But John,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: with the discussion of both arcs, here, where are you
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: landing your rankings for Okay?
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 4: And where do you land.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: I think I'm probably going to give this four stars.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: I I think if if it had just been the
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: Massage arc, it would be a full five. And uh,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: the cad Bane arc for me is what, like I said,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: while good, it just doesn't I mean, it's a four
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: star arc itself, you know. Uh, and so you know,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: maybe this could be four and a half stars, but no,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: I mean again, if I'm splitting them up, it's five
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: stars and four stars, and I guess together you just
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: kind of come down to me for four stars. And
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: so but I love it in the sense that I
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: mean when it comes to my enjoyment of Star Wars material.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: You know, the animation continues though to hit it out
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: of the park. Whether this was my favorite thing they've
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  Speaker 1: done in animation is totally irrelevant. I mean, it just
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  Speaker 1: it continues to just be some of the best Star
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  Speaker 1: Wars storytelling that we get. And as we mentioned at
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  Speaker 1: the beginning when we talked about you know, mall shadow Lord,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, this is what makes us so excited that
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  Speaker 1: we're doing this, right, we're gonna get that show is
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  Speaker 1: because it's so great. It's it's so good the stuff
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  Speaker 1: that they do. You know, I think specifically when I
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  Speaker 1: think of the loving care of that those opening shots
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  Speaker 1: of the Massage arc. I mean, every part of this
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  Speaker 1: is done with love and uh and so I can't
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  Speaker 1: wait to get more Star Wars animation. But John, if
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  Speaker 1: people wanted to find you, and I'm sure send you
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  Speaker 1: messages about why I'm stupid and all those types of things,
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  Speaker 1: that where would they find?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, come on, come on, don't be that way. Don't
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  Speaker 3: be that don't don't curl up at a little pill
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  Speaker 3: ball there and be all like, oh, hurt by everything, pillball.
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  Speaker 1: You know me, I will defend my opinions to the death.
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  Speaker 3: And hopefully, hopefully, hopefully it'll escalate to that at one
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  Speaker 3: point one of us will clutch our chest and kill.
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  Speaker 4: You know what.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, at least I'm not at the point
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  Speaker 1: where you're trying to find flights to my house so you.
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  Speaker 4: Can burn my Well, thank you for listening.
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  Speaker 1: And one listener knows what that means, Tristan Raddell.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and he knows he deserves it. No, I know
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  Speaker 3: for a fact that you're going to be flying to
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  Speaker 3: the the the wonderful Kingdom of Kesslvania in a couple
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  Speaker 3: of months, and uh, justice will be meeted out. Then
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  Speaker 3: good sir, Why why why fly.
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  Speaker 4: Out to you? And you're making it easy for me,
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  Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: I thank you for it.
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  Speaker 4: Saved me A ton of cash is coming here to
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  Speaker 4: take your bill.
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  Speaker 1: All I know is, you know, everybody's like, what are
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  Speaker 1: you to talk about it? But you know, the old,
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  Speaker 1: the old Tristan doesn't have the guts to do that,
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  Speaker 1: So at least I got the guts.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, Yes, that's right, that's right. You're coming here.
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  Speaker 4: You're going to take your medicine like a man, and
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  Speaker 4: I appreciate it. That's right.
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  Speaker 3: Well, what that's referencing actually is that I co host
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  Speaker 3: house lights over on the Nerd Party with Darren Moser
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  Speaker 3: and Tristan Riddell, both of whose cars I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: set on fire at some point once I save up
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  Speaker 3: enough money to fly out to their houses, or they
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  Speaker 3: can drive over here and I'll set fire to their
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: cars here. And of course, over on the Nerd Party,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: Matt and I also co host Aggressive Negotiations, which you're
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: listening to on that feed that you're listening to this
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: on whatever words, So you know, thank you for that.
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  Speaker 3: I'm castle junkie out there. Yeah, I'm not very active
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  Speaker 3: on social right now, but you know, feel free to
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: seek me out if you will. But you know, Matt,
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  Speaker 3: you know we have a time over there on aggressive
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  Speaker 3: negotiations on the Nerd Party.
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  Speaker 4: But you know where else can people find you at?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you could find me all over social media under
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  Speaker 1: the name Matt Rushing Zoe too. So I love to
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: talk to you there. Please hit me up once we
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: get a chance. You can also find me over on
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: the Nerd Party Network with another show called owl Post,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: which is a completed show about every single chapter the
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: Harry Potter series. And here on the TFM Network in
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: the six or two Club, you'll find me with a
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: lot of great Star Trek talk there with the great
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: Chris Jones Is. We talk through a lot of different things.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: One of my favorites is the fact that we're doing
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: a bunch of anniversary rewatches for Star Trek shows, so
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: you know, whether it's Star Trek, Voyager, Start Trek, these
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: Chase nine, Star Trek Enterprise. Look forward to having you
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: listen to those over there with Warp five to the
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: Journey and the Orb and of course we're looking forward
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: to the fact that at some point this summer Stranger
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: Worlds is actually coming back, and so saddle up, we'll
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: be back as well. So check all of those out.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: But John, you know, I think it's time to close
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  Speaker 1: these negotiations and you know, maybe just you know, have
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  Speaker 1: a drink here in a six oh two club after
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: those well what we could say aggressive
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  Speaker 3: Negotiations, master rushing negotiations are closed, then y'all come back
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  Speaker 3: here