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Brewsers #369- Jared Vineyard · Brewsers

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Bruisers podcast about beer, coffee, booze and bruisers.
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  Speaker 1: I am your host, Roy John and today we talk
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  Speaker 1: to Jared Vineyard. We talked about how he got into writing,
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  Speaker 1: the film industry, and so much more.
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  Speaker 2: This is such a fun conversation.
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  Speaker 1: I love to talking to Jared about not only film
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  Speaker 1: but writing, where he gets inspiration, directing.
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  Speaker 2: So much more.
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  Speaker 1: And obviously you don't want to hear from me, you
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  Speaker 1: want to hear from him. So without further ado, here
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  Speaker 1: is Jared Vineyard. I would like to uklem the show.
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  Speaker 1: Jared Vineyard, How are you doing today, sir?
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  Speaker 2: I'm good. How are you doing doing well? Now?
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  Speaker 1: We were talking right before we were hitting record here.
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  Speaker 1: Your DVD collection is impressive. Do you have a number
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  Speaker 1: or do you have a rough estimate about how many
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  Speaker 1: you have?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? I I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I'm trying to think how many, uh these shelves could hold.
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  Speaker 3: It was three hundred and four hundred a piece and
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  Speaker 3: they're pretty full. Yeah, so there's there's there's a lot. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: So I'm not I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think.
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  Speaker 3: I've hit a thousand. I think I under that, but
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  Speaker 3: several hundred I guess very nice.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I used to have like I think four or
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  Speaker 1: five No, it's definitely four Ikea bookshelves. Even with the
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  Speaker 1: extension on top all the way full.
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  Speaker 2: It was just it was nuts. Yeah, yeah, they do
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  Speaker 2: take up space.
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  Speaker 3: It's a nice thing about the whole streaming thing, and
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  Speaker 3: so if you don't have to necessarily have them, but
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  Speaker 3: but then you know, movies disappear and you want to
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  Speaker 3: watch something and you have to rent it to it
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  Speaker 3: to watch it or whatever else, and so it's it's
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  Speaker 3: nice to have them. And especially with like screenwriting and
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  Speaker 3: things like that. Sometimes you know, if you're you're wanting
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  Speaker 3: to do a study on a film or something like that,
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  Speaker 3: you can you know, pull out the thing and jump
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  Speaker 3: around at it easily. You can kind of see their
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  Speaker 3: their chapter breaks and uh and and things like that.
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  Speaker 3: How you know how they think the movie was broken
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  Speaker 3: up as far as you're there, you know, pseudo beats
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  Speaker 3: of the uh the DVD distributor idea that's true.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there's that, And then I always wonder, like especially now,
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  Speaker 1: like words, the special features go like, yes, they're probably
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  Speaker 1: obviously they're still making Blu rays and not so much DVDs,
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  Speaker 1: but you know they like where do those go? I
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  Speaker 1: don't see them on YouTube or there are no like
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  Speaker 1: extra special things you can watch, Like now that you've
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  Speaker 1: seen this movie, you can see the you know, behind
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  Speaker 1: the scenes things or even like the commentary or whatever
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  Speaker 1: it is.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I just had one release this this month,
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  Speaker 3: the movie called Doctor Q, and I got the over
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  Speaker 3: over here.
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  Speaker 2: I'll have the the Blu rays in there.
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  Speaker 3: But uh, I mean with that didn't even didn't even
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  Speaker 3: have any special features on the It's just yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: mean that market is so much smaller now. I think
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  Speaker 3: they expect most of their most of their stuff to
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  Speaker 3: be through the streaming things that you know, there wasn't
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  Speaker 3: any any kind of push for us to I don't
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  Speaker 3: deliver extra yeah, extra commentary things or extra a little
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  Speaker 3: behind the scenes things or yeah, all that BTS stuff
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  Speaker 3: that that's fun to watch on.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you'll you'll a ssoll see them on like
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  Speaker 2: these big Studio Avengers movies and things like that. But uh,
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  Speaker 2: but yeah, not not.
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  Speaker 3: As much on a lot of the independence anymore. See
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  Speaker 3: fewer and fewer, which is unfortunate. It's kind of fun
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  Speaker 3: to see, especially on the smaller movies. Some of that
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  Speaker 3: behind the scenes, you know, they how do they pull
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  Speaker 3: this off? How do they get this made?
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  Speaker 2: How do they you know? Any of that stuff is fun.
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  Speaker 1: Right because especially when you know you have lower budget movies,
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  Speaker 1: you don't have the obviously the budget to do like
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  Speaker 1: the big CGI stuff or so you got to kind
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  Speaker 1: of figure out, you know, fun ways of doing it
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  Speaker 1: on your own.
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  Speaker 2: Like obviously Christopher Nolan has the.
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  Speaker 1: Budget to do it, but he will still do stuff
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  Speaker 1: on his own because he doesn't want to rely on that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's one of the few filmmakers who actually shoots
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  Speaker 3: on film too, like, holds that Yeah, keep keeps that going,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Keeping the the DVD and Blu.
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  Speaker 3: Rays alive over here, he's keeping film alive. So but
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  Speaker 3: too much greater extent.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I'm sure he also holds the record for
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  Speaker 1: breaking the most IMAX camers as well.
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  Speaker 2: So oh yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I can't even imagine an of those, I mean fromber
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  Speaker 3: that I've seen that stuff. They're so loud and it's
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  Speaker 3: such a it's I mean maybe maybe the new ones
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  Speaker 3: now aren't like that, but but yeah, those those cameras
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  Speaker 3: just seem crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, so yeah, I think he first started using him
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  Speaker 1: in the Batman movies, and obviously there was only a
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  Speaker 1: few in the world, and now there's so many. I
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  Speaker 1: think this new Odyssey movie is all in iMac.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the whole thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I mean Dark Knight, you just
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  Speaker 3: had those moments and then you know, you'd see the the.
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  Speaker 2: Street was widening.
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  Speaker 3: Here's one of those moments, the Joker heights at the beginning,
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  Speaker 3: and yeah, but yeah, it was only maybe three moments
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  Speaker 3: in that movie. I don't think it was very much.
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  Speaker 3: But it's been been a while. I should pull that
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  Speaker 3: one back out and watch it. There we go, it's an.
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  Speaker 2: Old favorite and enjoy that. Oh yeah, it's a classic.
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  Speaker 1: I remember watching it in theaters and then I had
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  Speaker 1: taken an edible later and watching it home, and.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I see it in a whole
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  Speaker 2: new light. Now, it's crazy. Might change it a bit, Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know, change your perception. Well, let's go all the
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  Speaker 2: way back in time.
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  Speaker 1: What is your earliest memory of art just art in general.
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  Speaker 2: Man, I mean, you know, probably in school and and
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  Speaker 2: things like that.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, things like participating in It's when I was
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  Speaker 3: in elementary did a lot of kind of writing stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Did this program called Odyssey of the Mind, which was,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you write a play around some sort of
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  Speaker 3: problem thing. So like the first year we did that
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  Speaker 3: elementary school, you know, we get to do this dinosaur
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  Speaker 3: play where you have to build a dinosaur and has
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  Speaker 3: to be able to do so many things.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, I kind.
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  Speaker 3: Of wrote the play and we build this this dinosaur
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  Speaker 3: thing for it, and you know, I get to perform
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  Speaker 3: in it, and we you know, did like an assembly
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  Speaker 3: for the school where we performed for them before we
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  Speaker 3: took it to the competition things like that.
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  Speaker 2: So that was the first time I did kind of
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  Speaker 2: a big artsy thing myself. But uh, but I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, my mom's an artist, so growing up there
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  Speaker 3: was always there's always painting, There was always you know,
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  Speaker 3: stuff like that around, so so I can't really remember
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  Speaker 3: a time when there was like no.
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  Speaker 2: Art, you know, what what whatsoever. So I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 2: she was.
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  Speaker 3: Always painting on things, and and we'd have access to
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  Speaker 3: to you know, paint and draw and and and and.
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  Speaker 2: All that stuff all the time too.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, so I don't know, it's yeah, a first
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  Speaker 3: memory is hard to hard to pinpoint, right, well, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: especially for growing up with art always around you, I
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  Speaker 3: imagine it was just a freeing and creative world to
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  Speaker 3: live in.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's just kind of part of part
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  Speaker 2: of life. You almost take it for granted too, Like
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  Speaker 2: like teaches some art.
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  Speaker 3: Lessons and oh, we're gonna a friend of mine is
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  Speaker 3: taking art lessons from.
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  Speaker 2: My mom, and we're gonna do it with it.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm working on a dragon, he's working on a dragon,
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  Speaker 3: and you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, we're like in elementary school or something. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's uh yeah, and then you just play it now. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's not really something.
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  Speaker 3: That that you think about it, but then you appreciate
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  Speaker 3: it more later when you when you look back and
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  Speaker 3: and you think, yeah, that was, yeah something that that
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  Speaker 3: kind of ye kind of makes you appreciate and enjoy
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  Speaker 3: art and and you know, actually, if you like me
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  Speaker 3: and kind of do career.
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  Speaker 2: Stuff with it, then it's yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Probably wouldn't be like that if I grew up in
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  Speaker 3: a household where where everything was yeah, like, art is
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  Speaker 3: something out there. Maybe we'll go to a museum at
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  Speaker 3: some point, you know, maybe yeah, maybe you'll just see something.
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  Speaker 3: We'll throw in a movie or something and probably don't
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  Speaker 3: even think of that as art, just a little entertainment
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  Speaker 3: or something. But yep, but yeah, so it's yeah, it's yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's different.
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  Speaker 1: What was it about the world of movies and what
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  Speaker 1: was it movies that really kind of drew you to?
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  Speaker 1: Or was did TV kind of grab you as well?
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  Speaker 2: Well, well, it's it's more movies than than the TV stuff.
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  Speaker 3: But I mean, I was doing theater when I was
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  Speaker 3: in when I was in high school, I was in college.
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  Speaker 3: Actually my my degree, my writing degree, was my emphasis
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  Speaker 3: was was playwriting, playwriting and fiction. But but playwriting was
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  Speaker 3: really the big focus. My senior year of college, I
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  Speaker 3: made a deal with with the local theater and like
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  Speaker 3: produced my my first full length play, Split the Box Office,
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  Speaker 3: and like you know, build the sets and place else,
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  Speaker 3: all the rehearsals someplace else. We just need the space
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  Speaker 3: for when we do the show. So we just need,
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  Speaker 3: you know, wherever you've got that empty weekend.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we'll take you know, four days and we'll
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  Speaker 2: we'll do a little a little production.
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  Speaker 3: Although you know, little production is you know, taking everything
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  Speaker 3: I did and you know learned through high school and
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  Speaker 3: and in in college and and and things.
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  Speaker 2: Building this two stories sadly.
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  Speaker 3: Stare you know, stare fall down doors of people to
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  Speaker 3: fall out of and you know it's a big farest
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  Speaker 3: kind of show.
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  Speaker 2: But but you know, it went it went well from there.
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  Speaker 3: Someone wanted me to write a screenplay, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: I thought, well, there's probably a better chance of you know,
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  Speaker 3: doing some sort of career and in screenwriting and movies.
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  Speaker 3: And I like that as much as I like theater
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  Speaker 3: than there there is in the theater side. And uh
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  Speaker 3: so I just kind of packed my packed my car
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  Speaker 3: after after graduating and and.
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  Speaker 2: Drove to LA with really no idea what I was.
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  Speaker 3: Doing or anything, you know, and teaching myself screenwriting. I'd
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  Speaker 3: written the one, the one screenplay that if someone wanted
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  Speaker 3: me to write out after that play, but was it
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  Speaker 3: then I was, you know, reading every book on the
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  Speaker 3: screenwriting and reading screenplays and and you know, kind of
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  Speaker 3: learning the the that craft. I think there's overlap with
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  Speaker 3: with playwriting. And you'll see like those movies where there's
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  Speaker 3: a lot of dialogue and you've got that kind of
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  Speaker 3: theatrical feel to them, that that kind of rhythm back
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  Speaker 3: and forth with the way that the characters talk and
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  Speaker 3: stuff like that. But I also found out pretty quickly
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  Speaker 3: like I'll have this scene. I was like, oh, I
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  Speaker 3: love this scene. I love the way the characters talk.
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  Speaker 3: And then you get on set to to shoot and
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  Speaker 3: the crew, you know, I haven't even read the scene.
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  Speaker 2: They just like, oh, it's a dialogue scene. We hate
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  Speaker 2: dialogue scenes. It's like, it's a good scene. It's it's good.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, you're trying to sell the crew on. No,
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  Speaker 2: this be a really good scene.
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  Speaker 4: I promised God, it's it's it's fun, it's it's a bantery,
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  Speaker 4: it's it's like, can't we just sit there while they
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  Speaker 4: do these takes of the dialogue, not doing anything going anywhere, right,
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  Speaker 4: set it up and shoot it and then shoot it
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  Speaker 4: again and shoot it again.
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  Speaker 2: Easy day for the Lightning guys. Yeah, yeah, you'd think so. Right. Well,
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  Speaker 2: so I read that you grew up in Flint, Michigan.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I guess first, is it as bad as Michael
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  Speaker 1: Moore is making it out to be. I mean, that
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  Speaker 1: was shot in the nineties, so I hopefully you got me.
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  Speaker 3: I mean Michael Moore really, I mean people in Flint
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  Speaker 3: kind of hated Michael Moore after that movie. Oh wow,
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  Speaker 3: because it really I mean I shouldn't say everyone, but
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  Speaker 3: a lot of people that I knew, like like just
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  Speaker 3: couldn't send it because I mean it just really highlighted
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  Speaker 3: everything negative and nothing positive.
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  Speaker 2: And he wasn't like in Flint proper where he grew up.
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  Speaker 3: He was kind of like outside like the outskirts, you know,
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  Speaker 3: kind of kind of kind of places. But uh yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I mean that that stuff is there and and and
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  Speaker 3: Flint's it's it's a tough town, like the you know,
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  Speaker 3: it was really this kind of one industry town really
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  Speaker 3: with with you know, automotive is like a mini Detroit,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the birthplace of Ford and all that. And
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  Speaker 3: so when that started to you know, started leaving, and
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  Speaker 3: a lot of that was was badly run on a
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  Speaker 3: political end, might have some some really you know, funky
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  Speaker 3: things between the unions and the people who were who
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  Speaker 3: were running some some illegal things too, but you know,
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  Speaker 3: it seemed to kind of kind of drive that industry
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  Speaker 3: out of it and and you know, moved places where
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  Speaker 3: where super and there's really nothing to replace it, and
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  Speaker 3: it's still has never back.
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  Speaker 2: So it seemed like every time.
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  Speaker 3: I would go back home, it would be kind of
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  Speaker 3: more businesses that were you know boarded up or you know,
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  Speaker 3: no longer there. You know, changes, but you know, I
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  Speaker 3: mean there's there's still some stuff there, and there's there's
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  Speaker 3: still life. And wherever there's you know, there's people, there's
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  Speaker 3: there's things, and you know there's good people there.
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  Speaker 2: There's areas of Flint that you don't.
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  Speaker 3: Want to, you don't want to go into, but you
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  Speaker 3: don't want to drive through. Uh you know, I mean
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  Speaker 3: I got a cousin who he always seemed to live
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  Speaker 3: like and the worst, the worst parts of town.
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  Speaker 5: You went and visited him, like, you know, going back,
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  Speaker 5: you know, Christmas one year place he was living, and
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  Speaker 5: he's got you know, some couple of bullet holes in
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  Speaker 5: his wall you can point out, and he's like, all right,
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  Speaker 5: when you leave, make sure you drive that way, not
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  Speaker 5: that way.
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  Speaker 2: You will get shot if you drive that way.
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  Speaker 3: But but you know, most of the Flint is not not
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  Speaker 3: like that, and most of it's most of it's fine.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's just yeah, there's the there's the bad areas
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  Speaker 3: that you want to you want you as you're clear
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  Speaker 3: of and uh yeah, there's just not that much opportunity
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  Speaker 3: and and and industry. But I think, yeah, I don't
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  Speaker 3: know most places too, Like when it's down, there's there's opportunity.
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  Speaker 3: So you get I get some people to come in,
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  Speaker 3: you know, bring some money, bring some businesses, bring some finances.
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  Speaker 3: There should be a whole lot of stuff that could
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  Speaker 3: be bought up cheaply and and you know.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of get things going again. Right, So no, I
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  Speaker 2: had to ask about that part of Filint.
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  Speaker 1: But then like so now I'm curious, So when you
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  Speaker 1: were growing up and then obviously, like you said, you
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  Speaker 1: were in college for for writing and in theater, what
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  Speaker 1: was he kind of like the acting scene? Like I'm
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  Speaker 1: obviously I imagine there was some stars that were you
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  Speaker 1: look back on it like, wow, why did that person
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  Speaker 1: ever go on do anything better? But like I imagine
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  Speaker 1: everywhere kind of has like this little bit of bubble
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  Speaker 1: of oh those are the actors and oh those are
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  Speaker 1: these kind of actors?
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  Speaker 2: Like what was it kind of like that situation there?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, like like in we related to the Flint
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  Speaker 2: or just.
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  Speaker 3: The the I guess rephrase that.
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  Speaker 1: What what do you mean by so yeah, in Flint
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  Speaker 1: when you're going through high scho was was there like
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  Speaker 1: a good acting crew? And then do you where did
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  Speaker 1: you go to college.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so I went I went to college at
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  Speaker 3: at Western Mission University. So that's a governing Kalamazoo and
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  Speaker 3: the other side of the Mitten as they say. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so not not too far. You could like jump right
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  Speaker 3: over the border and be in Chicago. You know, was
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  Speaker 3: it an hour or two? Uh something that was not
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  Speaker 3: not far. Every once in a while we would do
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  Speaker 3: something like that. But uh but but yeah, so yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I mean kalma Zoo is a real fun town, especially
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  Speaker 3: you know when you're in college and stuff, and you
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  Speaker 3: know there's there's there's bars, there's theaters, there's you know,
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  Speaker 3: the restaurants is all the all the things. Although you're
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  Speaker 3: you know, a broke college student, so you've only got
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  Speaker 3: so so many resources. But but but it was like
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  Speaker 3: you know, disc golf, you know, courses which is that's
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  Speaker 3: always free.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean that that was that was a great,
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  Speaker 3: great place to be and and and they're like the
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  Speaker 3: first couple, uh, the first couple of years I was
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  Speaker 3: in in a couple of theater troops, these touring theater
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  Speaker 3: theater troops and and they paid Yeah, so some some
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  Speaker 3: tuition stuff and some some things that helped a little
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  Speaker 3: bit with with with getting through with with those one
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: of the things that kind of stack on there, as
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: well as a little bit of debt like finally finally
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: paid off years and years later, it was finally h
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: finally paid it all back. But the yeah, it was,
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: it was good. And yeah, lots of lots of talent
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: people and and the the theater program.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: There is is is very.
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: Well respected and difficult to get into and and stuff
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: like that. And I was on the I mean, I
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: was majoring in in English and the screenwriting or the
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: play writing sorry side was was on the English side,
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: on the theater side, which was kind of weird. It
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: seems like those two should in some way be intertwined.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: With the right because you're working much closer to the
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: theater side than you are with the English side.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean as far as
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: like your degree and everything, you're you're studying under you know,
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: playwrights and writers and different people who come in and
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: so they would just be there.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: In the English department.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: But but it really seems like there's an opportunity there
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: that that's kind of kind of missed, where it's like, hey,
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: you're you're writing these things as as students over over here,
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: that's for the theater.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: You've got a theater programmer here.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: Why aren't they kind of working together that you kind
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: of put up you know, one's writing shows, ones putting
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: up the shows or so some kind of yeah, some
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: kind of mixing there.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: I think I think could have been uh, could have
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: been stronger.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: And and I went to uh, the high school I
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: went to too, We had a we had a strong
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: theater program.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Going and stuff.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: And yeah, some very talented people that that were in
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: that as as well. And yeah, well you know, a
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: couple a couple of singers who could blow the blow
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: the roof off much much more talented.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: Than I ever get close to be, uh you know, but.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so it's uh, yeah, I don't know, it
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: was there was always it was a pretty good.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, good mix of.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: People that would would help you to to to kind
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: of grow and challenge you, and and that you know,
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: you enjoy watching them perform and seeing them grow and
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: stuff too. And yeah, you never never know where they'll
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: they'll all end up. And a couple are out there
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: doing some stuff, doing some some some live theater and
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: stuff in some places like New York and Chicago and
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: things like that, and so yeah, I haven't kept up
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: with with with all of them and stuff, but some
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: of them are still still going.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what was it about playwright that you want? That's
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: what you wanted your degree to be in.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I always, I always enjoyed writing from
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: from elementary school. And I mean I probably kind of
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: started with, you know, reading books that were way above
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: you know, probably what I should have been readly, like
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: you know, uh, third grade, you know I was reading
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: read Jurassic Park and Michael Crichton in the fourth grade
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: the pet Cemetery.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: The Stephen King you know, but that out so you know,
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: then when they're having us read like R. L. Stein
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: and come on, let's let's do some Stephen King. But
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: but but there was there's some writing in in those
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: those early classes were you know, I had would have
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: like competitions with with a friend or two in the class,
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: like you who kills the other one more gruesomely in
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: their stories and things like that, and and some some
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: so some stuff and and because I you know, read
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: some so it's like write and stuff and and and
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Stephen King stuff, you know, trying to emulate them a
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: little bit. And so you're writing seems you know, better
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: than than what it probably is. But uh, definitely more
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: probably more enjoyable for the for the teachers having to
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: to you know, give through all this, you know, elementary
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: school writing where rarely put sentences together.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: That's trying to carry a story or anything like that.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: I'm like trying to trying to imitate like Stephen King
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: or something and something crazy. So so I got a
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: lot of encouragement from from teachers and stuff early on
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: with with with the writing stuff, and and i'd you know,
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: write for fun, you know, outside and I I had
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: a kind of this long horror story that got me
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: in a class in like fourth grade, and I turned
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: it again in fifth grade.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: And kind of a again.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: A little little cheater action there or something that we
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: got away with. But uh but but yeah, yeah, I
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: guess I got courage with with the with the writing
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: early on, and uh yeah, eventually I wanted to try
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: that the play writing a little.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Bit and did that.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: Honestly, the mind thing I mentioned earlier, like we're you know,
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: kind of wrote those little plays that we we did,
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: and you know, I'd hate to go back and look
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: at what that writing actually is like now you should.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: You never know, it might actually inspire something like a
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: little bit might be not bad. Yeah, it might not
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: be as bad as anythink, but it could be even
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: more worse.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: You Like, I would never I'm sure it's elementary writing
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: and stuff, but it but it was, it was it
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: was fun.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: And and you know we we.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: We enjoyed acting in the audience, you know, responded well
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: to it and stuff, and so it was Yeah, I
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: guess you you do those things and just kind of
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: builds over time and kind of pushes you in a
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: certain certain direction, you know. I mean meanwhile, you know,
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: I was I was good at the math and sciences
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: and and things like that, which my dad thought I
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: was gonna be the one, all right, he's gonna be
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: my kids who goes into the science and stuff. I got.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: He's he was at his doctorate in computer science and
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: and taught like you cattering and stuff over there in Flint,
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: and uh and and yeah, I was really I was.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: I was good at the math and and did math
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: fairs and and elementary and stuff like that.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: And then uh, but then.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: We got got to high school and and you know,
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: they started changing the the math program around where you know,
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: I was kind of in the the accelerated program which
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: did the geometry slashed algebra two, and then they changed
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: up the next year where they put those in two classes,
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: and like, all right, so now I have to take
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: ALBA two.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: I was like, I know, I just I just did that.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: I was like, you know what, I'm done with this.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: I'm uh, you know, I like sleeping through the class
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: and taking the test sun memory, and the teacher was.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Hating me, and and I.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Was resentful for like being stuck bored in this in
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: this class, and uh and and stuff, and you know,
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: just kind of kind of quit on the mask off
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: all together and just to focus more on the art side,
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: which was more fun.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: At that point.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so proving me from I don't know, going towards
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: engineering or you know, something that you're making much more
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: you know, solid base for a career to start with
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: at least, right. Yeah, again, like you said, not as fun, Yeah,
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: not as fun.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Not as fun, not as fun as being you know,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: a starving artist for years. You know.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean speaking of which, you said you drove
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: to l A, didn't. I mean you imagine you had
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: some kind of plan in your head, but of course
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: you made that journey that so many others have made.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: You're like, you know what, I'm just gonna pack it
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: all up.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: And head to LA.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: How did did you already have a place to live
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: or how did you like, how did what was the
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: plan in the head.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: And you were driving out there was not very There
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: was really no plan.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: My mom, Well, my my plan was, Hey, I'm gonna
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go to l A. I'm gonna save up,
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: like I was delivering pizzas, and so I was able
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: to save up enough that I thought, Okay, this is
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: enough for.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: A month's rent. You know, I could, you know.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Pay a month's rent and have a deposit and I,
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: you know, I should should be and I'll find a
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: job and I'll you know, be fine. Yeah, that was
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: that was my That was my plan. I was like,
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: that's a terrible plan. I don't like this plane.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: This is not what we do. It'll be an adventure,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: It'll be It'll be fine.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: She was convinced that i'd be back within a few months,
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: but she told me later. But but I did find
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: out right before coming out that some friends that.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Had gone to college with at least early on. We're
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: out in l A.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: So I was able to sleep on their couch for
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: for a week or so or something like that while
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: I while I found yeah, well I found a place
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: to rent and and so so that definitely that definitely helped. Otherwise,
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you're sleeping in a car for a.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Week looking for a place to uh for a place
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: to rent.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: But it didn't take too too long to find something.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: Although at first I was like living in Long Beach
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: and then I I found a job at like the
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: the mail room at Paramount, so I'm like driving from
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: you know, all the way from Long Beach to there
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: every day, which was a was a bit of a
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: crazy commute to do before you know, eventually you know,
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: moving closer and stuff to create town and its right
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: right near it. And but you know, I met my
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: wife and got married and and you know, I had
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: kids and all all these these kinds of things, which
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: you know, maybe is not not not good if you're
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: if you're planning on I'm trying to do a difficult
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: career sort of thing, a little a little bit of
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: a a slow down bump, but it but uh, but
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: probably better for you personally, you know, as a as
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: a person, a better way to go.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because then you're not just by yourself like like
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: wallowing in everything.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah yeah, and that's that's not good for
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: most people.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: And so so yeah, so you get yeah, over time
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: and slowly start getting things going. And and I mean
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: when I moved out, I would jump onto any any
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: film set I could, I could get on, you know,
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: I'd like that.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: I'd be an unpaid, uncredited pa. It's fine, whatever. Yeah,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: just trying to be inside.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: I thought, you know, I'm on set, I see how
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: things work a little bit help with the screenwriting, wait,
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: which it does, and and eventually kind of able to, yeah,
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: work my way up from there to to doing you know,
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: bigger things and starting to see you know, things I
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: wrote get made and starting to you know, get the
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: director and be first a d or things like that
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: and and stuff and so it's yeah, it's yeah, it's
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: it's it's a process like like like anything. I mean,
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: it's it's weird with with screenwriting and the movie business
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: and in general, A lot of people look at it.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: It's like this kind of jackpot industry. Oh, you write
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: a script and if you get lucky. You know, it
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: hits and you make millions, and and that's it's not
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: quite how you like you build a career over over time.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: It's they you're writing things, becoming a better writer, You
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: get hired, Hey, get hired a bunch of things. You
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: get in these resume lines that that's great. Those are
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: big step ups that Hey, some someone's paying you to
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: write something.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: That's that's that that's good.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: And uh, you know most of those will never get made.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: And then actually something does get made. It's like, oh,
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: now I'm I'm produced, you.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Know, I've got that going.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: And then it's like, oh, I'm working on something I
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: wrote and hey, look there's actors in it.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: I know who they are, you know. And it's just
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: you know, step by step things get you.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: Know, keep on getting better and better. You know, as
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: long as you you.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Know, do the work and you know, treat people well.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: That's one of the biggest things. Yeah.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, and also like you're your networking as well,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Like you're yes, you're working unpaid for quite a while,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: but at the same time you're working probably with roughly
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: the same people and you're like, oh, I know that
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: guy from this because yeah, he'll he'll be great on this,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: or I imagine there was people doing the same thing
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: for you, like oh, yeah, you want to get this
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: guy on set because he can do whatever.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: And then, like you said, slowly.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: But surely, like there's these little milestones of like you said, oh,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: I'm actually getting paid to do this first off, which
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: I imagine is the biggest one, and then the next one
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: is like, oh they let me write on this one, or.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Oh I be able to do this, and then you know, you.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Keep moving the goalpost because especially in a town like
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: you know, a creative town like that, where everybody wants
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: to do it, but not nobody can do it. So,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: like you said, start out unpaid and then slowly but
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: surely start working your way up and up and up,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: and then you know, sure enough it's what you're actually
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: going out there to get paid to do or wanting
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: to do.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: However, many years before that.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, as long as you can, you know, endure the
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: that that crushing period of yeah, you know, you're just yeah,
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: you're just just pushing and pushing and you know, trying
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: to trying to get to that that next step and stuff.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: But but yeah, no, it's it's it's good and it
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: is like that.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: So you work with.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: Somebody and yeah, you never know who's you know, gonna
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: you know, go on to some project that they're gonna
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: bring you on to or or whatever.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: The first the first movie I wrote that that got made.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: It was the director on it. You know, he uh,
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: I'd written some some shorts for him, and you know,
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: write some shorts for him. If he makes it, then
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: I get paid. If he doesn't, I don't. So he
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: made a couple, so I got paid for some of them.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: Some of them I didn't. But then yeah, he got uh,
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: he got this gig directing this this movie. And he
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: calls me up and he's just like, we need we
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: need to rewrite. I'm like, okay, so it sounds good
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: and we need it fast. Can can you do one fast?
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, I can.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: I'll make it happen. Let's let's let's see. And so
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: he sends, uh, he sends me this. This. What what
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: they had was they had this forty page thing that was.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Originally written in in in Russian and Google translated into English.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: It was like didn't like character names and places, but
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: didn't there's no real characters through real plot or anything.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: What you need is a script.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: How did how did they get that mighty get this thing,
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: you know, going without the script?
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: It is an amazing feat, I think.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: But but yeah, I mean came in, uh you know,
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: wrote that and there's a movie I had nothing to
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: do with the the production really or that was you
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: write the script and and let it go and see
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: what whatever they do with it.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Right, But but yeah, it's just that that's sort of.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: Think someone something little for and and then you get
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: later on they bring onto something bigger.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: So you just never know which which which things lead
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: to that.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: And and I've gotten the chance to do that kind
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: of thing for others too. I had a you know
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: friend I was who's who was an actor.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: I was able to get.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: Him an audition on on a movie I'd written and
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: and stuff, and the director you know, loved his audition.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: You got you know, one of one of the leads.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: It's awesome and and so so yeah, you just never
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: you never know what's what's gonna happen.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: So true, Well, so who are coming to the people
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: that like along the way, we really kind of we're
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: able to help you. And then you you know, even
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: maybe to this day kind of we're bouncing questions off them,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: getting advice for him.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: So well that that I mentioned the name was was
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: was Benny Benno.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Blanco.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: So so, I mean he's just awesome, huge energy guy,
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: always has some project rather that that that he's he's
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: doing and and and stuff. And so he's kind of
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: you know, pulled me over to two different things here
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: here and there.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: And then.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: You know there's early on there was Anne Marie some
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: when I went to church with, who was a screenwriter.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: And she.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: You know, she'd uh, she'd written probably her biggest movie
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: at that point was it was like a dance movie
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: that MTV uh made and stuff like that, and and
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: got her to to to read like my very earliest
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: probably I think probably the first script I wrote after
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: that at uh, the very first one that I told
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: you about. And you know, after the first range, she
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: she's like, if you're in a friend of mine, I
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: probably wouldn't finished it.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Like that's not that's not a good sign.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's this this script needs a lot of work
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: and stuff like that. And she's like like, but but
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: here's where it really popped, and and you know, you know,
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: and that the ending felt right, you know, and it's
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: like you nailed that and and so for that, and
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: so that was one that you know, I was able
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: to rewrite from from what what she did. And and
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: I don't I don't usually do competitions and stuff.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: I haven't done many, but I did put that.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: One in like the script of Palooza, you know, thing
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: way back way back then ended up, you know, making
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: it make it really far into that, like the Top
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: One Hunter. But they sent it out to people and
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: and things like that, which I'm sure it never would
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: have been a good enough script to have done if
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: I hadn't, you know, i'd heard come of it. Yeah,
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: come on and look at that. And she later looked
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: at it at a script that that that I wrote
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: that was getting made and we're kind of looking.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: At you know, we're gonna do more rewriting.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: And I was so far like inside of that that script,
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: and we're so close on when production everything was what
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: was gonna happen.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Is like, I don't even know what.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: I'm looking at anymore, if this is good or bad
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: or what got her to read it?
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: And she's just like, all right, you've you've got a
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: shootable script.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: Here, it's yeah, all right, that's that that that that's good.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: She's actually the only place where I see any kind
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: of leap of logic from one of the characters where
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: they kind of jump over something is is maybe here.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: And you know, and and.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: So you know, look at that, and you know, characters
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: sometimes can have you know, those those guys of moments,
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: but you want to try to avoid the character doing
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: something stupid, like like sometimes we do things that are stupid,
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: but you know, yeah, if you see in a movie,
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: sometimes you less forgiving.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: But you know, and and none of those movies.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: Ended up like like the gap between like film and
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: and script was was pretty beast you know. Anyway, now
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: those are quite the the movie that uh I hope
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: for with with looking at the script versus you know
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: what what.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Was what was made but the.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: But but still, you know, yeah, great process of getting
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: something something there and and and done. And that's also
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: sort of thing that's kind of pushed me a bit
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: towards that directing end too, like all right, let's let's
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: work on somewhere.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: It's like, okay, where I've got a little bit more
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: of those.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: Creative decision making you know, you know, places where I
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: could steer the movie to look more like the story
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: that was right originally written, uh and stuff like that.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: So but but yeah, so there's there's been Yeah, there's
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: been a number of those of those people who, yeah,
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: you know, you reach out to and and they actually
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: respond and then I try to Yeah, I try to
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: do that for others with people reach out to me
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: when you know where I can and yeah, so you
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: keep that yeah.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Well, so how did you actually get into like actually
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: directing your first thing, because I know that is obviously
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: something so many people work for, and then writers especially
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: because like you said, there's so many times that something's
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: written and then what you have written on the page
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: and what people actually see on the screen are completely
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: different things. There's like somewhat of an overlap. But for
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: the most part, you know, the director has their vision
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: and then the writer has their vision, and a lot
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: of times it's done the lot.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well stuff, So I mean I'm still I'm still
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: just getting into into that end.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: Like I've I've done done some shorts and done some
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: some little serious episodic things and and different different stuff
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: like that. That's nothing too too crazy. The biggest one
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: I've got going right now. It's a movie called Loaded Deck,
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: and so that's one I'm working on. I'm producing it.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: I've got I've got a great, great cast and crew
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: members assembled to be part of it, like Kevin Sorbo
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: and Daniel Baldwin and uh and things like that. So yes,
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: with me being kind of a driver behind the project
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: in the first.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Place, you then you you're all right.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: I'm setting out to write and direct this movie, you know,
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: And so that's that's your your your your starting point
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: though you know it is the process of of getting
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: money is is a slow one.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, how how's that process that? Because
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: that's something else people don't know't really think about when they're.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: That's that's that's always a tough process.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: So so a bunch of the the films that that
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: I've I've been on, you know, some that have made
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: it and some that haven't through through production, I have
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: been part of that, like putting the packaging together, putting
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: investor memos together, putting even you know, writing emails that
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: someone else sends to investors and that you know, there's
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: a there's a wall there, so you don't so they
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: don't see.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: So no, one sees there their investors.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: But uh uh, the you know, so I've so I've
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: had a bunch of this experience of yeah, putting together
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: business plans and putting together decks and putting the other
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: things like that on on projects and so so then
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: it kind of becomes all right, well let's do one
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: that's that's my project instead of doing other people's you know,
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: projects like that. So there, that's where you start kind
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: of pushing for your your your own directing stuff. And and yeah,
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: I mean usually often even with with screenwriting, that's often
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: how it goes is is you know, you're you, you
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: want your movie made, then go make your movie, you know,
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: and you know, see see if you can find the
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: you know, find the people, find the kind of stuff.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: And so uh, you know, with a load of deck
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: it's been very script driven. It's a you know, people
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: have responded, you know, really positively to it. That's how
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: I ended up with the with some name actors on it,
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: even before the funding came in. And so we've got
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: some of the funding now and we're working on getting
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: the rest, you know, finding those investors to to to
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: finish that off so we can go shoot. But yeah,
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: that's a that's a much a much slower process, and
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: I wish I was a little bit better at that
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: than the I mean, you mentioned networking earlier, and that's
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: a huge, a huge element in I don't know, the
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: industry in general and getting jobs and which is something
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: that I'm not natural at. You so they've had to
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: try to work at getting better through the years. Much rather,
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: you know, just lock me in a room and let
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: me just type out pages and that's fine.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: You know, someone else can direct it and produce it
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: and do all that. That's fine. I don't have to
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: talk to anybody. Yeah, that's a slide under the door,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: like done. Yeah, just just push it down there and
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: walk away.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but but yeah, so so you have to, Yeah,
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: you have to do that and do the uncomfortable things
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: of calling people and emailing people and having the meetings. Yeah,
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: having meetings, asking people to look at business plans, asking
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: people to look at at at decks and all all
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: those things that, yeah, that that you have to get there.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: And it's yeah, always that that numbers game. You know,
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: two hundred three hundred.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: People will will look at it.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: You get one that that's going to be like Okay,
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: I'll give a shot and and invest and that's usually
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: all that's that's a little piece. All right, now we've
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: gotta now we got to do that forty five more times.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: So yeah, so it's it's yeah, it's that's that's that's
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: a tree part. And and people who are good at that,
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: they've they've probably got a place in the industry forever.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: The trick is, you know, sometimes people who are good
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: at that don't just you know, stick to that. They
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: try to jump into areas maybe they're not as good at,
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: which you know, will be more the story side or
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: the things where they don't have.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: The experience.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: And so they've they've done all this work of getting
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: this money place and they're they're they're making something, but
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: it's not it's it's not served as well because they
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: they didn't bother with like, oh, let's get a natural screenwriter,
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: that's get a you know, let's get the people.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: And so so that can be that can be in too.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: And there's always, yeah.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: Always egos, and there's always different different voices of of
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: well we should do this with it, and we should
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: do that with the problem. And so so watching out
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: for the tugging in different directions where where movies can
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: often fall apart. And you you'll even see that with
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: the with these big, you know, giant studio movies where
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: you know, we talk about these studio notes and these
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: all these these things that come into play and be like,
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: you know, twenty two different screenwriters.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Wrote this movie. Yea, at some point there's just.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: Too many, too many voices, too many, too many things,
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: and you end up with something that that kind of
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: falls apart or becomes a bit of a mess and
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: and isn't as good of a movie as as it
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: could have been. And so so there's that that that
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: weird thing. But but but yeah, so you know, I'd
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: always like to find Hey, there's someone who's really good
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: at that, just my my partner and you do that.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: That's that's the dream. That's the dream. But I think
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: everyone has that dream. Yeah. Too many chefs in the
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: kitchen really mess up a recipe. Yeah, definitely.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Well, so now that you obviously you've been in the
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: industry for a while, what I mean, and you've obviously
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: shown that you can work in the industry for a
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: while with you know, and just keep things going, where
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: do you kind of see because obviously there's so many
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: people that are so worried about what AI may or
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: may not do with the industry or you know, whether
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: people will even need to be in the movie industry
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: anymore because of the fact that we could just oh,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: it's all robots are all the computer or whatever it is.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: How do you kind of view that, because I just
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: think it's this next hiccup as opposed to this whole.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Thing that where it's going to take over the old industry.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's it's a tool, yeah, exactly, you know,
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: just yeah, I mean you look at like, you know, CGI,
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: when that started coming in and going crazy and.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Uh and stuff, It's like, oh, what.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: About the puppeteers and the people making these these cool
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: monsters and stuff. Now it's just all on you know,
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: on these computers, and it's fake and it's you know,
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: but it's yeah, it's it's a tool. If you use it, well,
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: then then there's things you can do with it, you know.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: And there's areas where it's it's just not going to
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: replace people, like like it's not going to replace the
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: screenwriter people. People worry about that and and and I've
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: I've I've seen people that are using it to who
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: to to create script stuff for them. But the scripts
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: it's just it's just not good scripts. It doesn't have
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: it's never going to have that that soul and said,
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: there's no soul to it.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's a search engine. Yeah,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: is what you know AI is whether it's you know,
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: the visual you know, creating videos and things or.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: The thing, it's just that that processing speed that that's
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: incredible with it. You know, I think we're we're screenwriters
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: benefit the most from it is is being able to
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: use it for some some quick you know, quick research
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: kind of kinds of things. Yeah, we're you might spend
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: some hours looking some books and different things and and stuff.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: But if you've got a character who just needs to
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: sound smart on a subject without you know, needing to, yeah,
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: go into real depth of that of that subject, you know,
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: you know, you can use AI to give you a
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: whole rundown of whatever this you know, this thing is
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: that they're talking about, and so you can you know,
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: easily create you know, your your your lines and stuff
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: you know, affiliate with some of this I don't know,
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: verbage and language that's specific to whatever.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Field it is.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: And and it'll sound good and but you know, maybe
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: the people inside that field will.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Be like, that's that's not that's not right. But to
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: the average person, it's like that sounds good, you know.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: But if it's you know, if it is a piece
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: that's a little bit more of a an in depth
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: into that that field or into that that topic, or
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: is like like that's your your main character. You need
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: to get those details right, then you can still use
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: it as a tool. You just need to make sure
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: you're you know, you're checking.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Its research right.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so many times, like even with recipes like
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: it shows that they mess it up almost every time.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: It's because they've never cooked before. So they've also never
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: done these other things before.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: So like you said, it's just a tool, Yeah, yeah,
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: it's it's it's tool.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: So so you can use it, and I think you
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: can can build some like if you're doing like I've
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: got a movie that I'm working on right now with.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Uh you know, we're we're.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: On the script phase and we'll see we want to
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: package it and how we want to look at it.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: But it's a former NFL player. I wrote this this
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: script on his on his life. I mean he the
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: whole time that he was in the NFL, he was
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: also a drug dealer and had the f and ended
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: up spending a couple of years in jail. We were
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: like like turning his life around and everything. But you know,
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: and and yeah, there's there's like this this scene where
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: I've got like, you know, a car going off of
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: a off of a cliff sort of thing. And so
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: if you're doing this little, tiny movie that doesn't have
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: any budget, you can shoot the thing or the car
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: right up to the edge and then you know, you
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: can have a I do a little a little car
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: blowing up going over the thing if if you want to,
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: if you if you really just didn't have the money
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: to do that, and it would look decent, and and
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: you know, you can take that all the way up
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: to FOURK. Actually, I think some of them you can
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: take all the way to eight K and and may
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: get all the resolution that you that you need for
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: it to or to work. And so so then this
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: this scene that would normally cost way more than what
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: your budget would ever be able to allow you to do,
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: you can still have that crash like inside the movie,
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: or you can just you know, go with the classic
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: filmmaker thing, and so find some ways to film this
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: that that's kinda gonna be practical.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: We're not going to see.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: The the car drop and the explosion, but we might
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: you know, do some crazy camera flipping and and and
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: and chacking there and then the cutaway and and and
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: get the same effact that the audience knows what happens.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: But but yeah, it's it's it's it's a tool.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: I think. I think I find ways to use it
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: that that that are acceptable.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: And and and and you'll be you'll be all right,
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: because yeah, I mean, you can give it to here's something.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: I shot, here's the the end.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: Of what I shot, and use as a starting frame
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: for ye know, blowing this thing up. And then you
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: can go and and you know, color corract and it's
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: it's kind of like you know c G I, but
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: but it's cheaper, yeah, you know, and so you can
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: I'll probably use it in in those ways and and
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: and be all right. And I think some people, so,
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, some people are even against that, like like
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: any if you're touching any kind of a I.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: It's it's, oh, yeah, you're the devil somehow.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I I think that would be
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I think that seems a little misladed,
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: Like it's it's there. It's pervasive at this point, like
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: like every every single piece of software that you're using,
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: Like even like the Zoom meeting here.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: Has like the the here's the AI. Yeah, and here's
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: the here's a transcript of there's a summary. Here's all that's.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: Done by by AI. And you know it won't be perfect,
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: but it's but but it works. And yeah, I don't know,
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: you've seen plenty of play movies with like the c
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: G I looks funky and and and weird, and especially
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: when it was was early on or they're doing some
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: new effect or something, and uh, yeah, it's the same.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: It's the same kind of thing. So just kind of
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: use use what you have to use if you can,
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: if you can do things in a practical way, do
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: it in a practical way. You know, if you're you know,
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: just trying to show that you can tell a story
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: and and do things, and and AI is the only
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: way that you're able to show that in order to
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: you know, go make like the real filmmaking kind kind
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: of thing.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm all for it. Do it, use it, may
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: make it, make it work for you, makes sense? Yeah, h.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Well, I have a segment show. I call it the
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: Five Counts. She has five random questions. Okay, number one,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: who's your first celebrity crush?
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know, man, that's that's tough. I you know,
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: put any beautiful woman on the screen. When I was
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: a kid, it didn't matter. And she's she's amazing.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: You know, you're.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: My wife always always though it like like it's Jennifer Connelly.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: She's she's the one that you have the big crush on, Like, yeah.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: She was. She was beautiful, she was amazing. She had
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: some other guy friends who who who like talked her
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: up big and and but man, uh, I don't know.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: I don't know that I had one where I was
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: like just like focused on, like like I I love her,
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: I want to meet her. I want to I want
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: her to have my babies drink her bath water because
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: because because I mean, I mean, yeah, I mean any
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: any movie you watched, but she like the eighties and
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: the nineties and stuff like all the women were beautiful
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: and uh and stuff like Sharon Stone, you know, she
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: was always sexy and everything that she was in and.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: You know, and uh so, yeah, I don't know. I
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: can't think of one where I was like like kind
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: of obsessed with, like like she's she's my she's my crush.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: But yeah. But but when I was a kid, you know,
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: I was uh, you know, probably enough of a horn
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: dog that it didn't didn't matter any of them any.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: Any beautiful woman.
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: I actually, I mean I had I had some some
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: serious rushes with like some some people people in real life,
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: you know, like the celebrities and stuff. I was it's like,
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: I'll never meet those people. That's true, which turns out
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: to not be true, I guess.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: But the yeah, but the uh but yeah, I mean
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: the questions I had tended to be girls. I knew.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah. Number two, If you were a
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: progress or mm a fighter, what would your name be?
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: Oh man, mm hmm, let's see, probably uh maybe JD
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: Vine Okay, yeah, would probably probably probably be it just
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: kind of playing on the the the letters and the
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: things that are already in my name.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: Here there you go, don't have to go too far
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: away from it. Number three, what are you nerding out
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: on right now? Mm hmm. I'm doing well. I guess
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: a couple of things so my wife.
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: And I are doing a little a little class together,
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: a little little online class of on the Iliad.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: So one of a professor doctor who translated it.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: She's like doing a doing class where she talks about
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: and so so we're reading through it together and and
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: and doing these little little sessions and and you can
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: ask her your questions and stuff inside of them, and
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: it's it's uh so that's fun.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: So so it's doing a little litt little Iliad.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: Also, I've been listened to a podcast uh lately that's
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: uh the the History of the Early Church.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: And so getting all the.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: I don't know, probably sixty some odd episodes in in
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: into that. So I'll listen to that and i'm driving
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: or in between things or getting all the Yeah. The
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: case I mean starts right there with like you know,
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: your books of Acts and and you know Paul and
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: the New Testament and you know stuff like that that
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: you can pull from that, you know, and and uh
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: he said number of times like like somewhere in the
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: the fifth century, I think is where he was saying
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: that this is kind of where he plans on ending,
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: you know, kind of kind of takes it through is
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: in a pretty narrative form as far as I kind
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: of the what happens in the events, and then I'm
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: there like the Constantine years right now and and and
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: stuff in it, which.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: Is uhich, which is fun.
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: Get get all these little little details and also just
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: get hit with like name after name after names.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: I'm never gonna remember all these names, but.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: You get the Yeah, you get this this cool kind
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: of piece of history overview, you know, sort of sort
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: of thing, and and these these moments and and people
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: who who will you know, you know, stand out, you know,
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: and as well as you know the a like like
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: the this the ninety the nineteen County Counsel and things
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: like this where you know, people talk about you know,
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: in ways that are completely not true. Yeah, came up
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: with with what books are in the Bible and it's like, no,
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: I happened long before that that's not even discussed, you know, and.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: Things like that. So yeah, so it's, uh that's really interesting.
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: And uh so I often know, jump on. I've usually
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: got some kind of some kind of podcast going that's
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: that has something to do with.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: With history or philosophy or something that's that's kind of.
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: Sparking my interest at the moment, and so I guess
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: right now those are those probably the two the two
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: biggest weird things.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: I'm just just kind of checking out and.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: For a second that's not a bad thing. Yeah, always learning.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: And number four, who are what inspires you?
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: I mean who who doesn't know? What? I mean?
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I mean you're always with yeah, with with
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: with the true stuff. There's always you know, there's always
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: God and there's a Biblical readings.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: And things like that.
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: That's always you know, big and uh in just your
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: your life and general inspiration movies and stuff. I mean yeah,
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: I mean the movies growing up with are those giant
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: tent pole things now like like your Star Wars and
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: your Indiana Jones and so kind of seeing like you know,
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: Jaws all these like like early uh Spielberg and Lucas,
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: you know, things that are that are just you know amazing, uh,
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: that kind of creating these larger than life you know
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: sorts of sorts of stories and and and and films
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: that people don't don't forget, but but then you know,
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: it's just you know, seeing people who we're going out
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: and and just trying to to to do things and
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: and and and get things done.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: You know, just see people who, yeah, I got a.
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: Friend who's just an amazing dad and amazing you know,
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: and he's just just regular job and but like just
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: the way you know, you see him interact with his
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: family and you see the way that his family goes,
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: so so you feel little inspired, like, Okay, that's something
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: I can try to bring that into, uh into my
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: family life a little bit more if I can feld
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: bit more like like him and that that's that's that's
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: that's pretty incredible. And uh so so it's yeah, I
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: mean I don't know, there's always always things I'm noticing.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: And then even even from from people who who like
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: you know, sometimes drive you crazy and do things that
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: you can't say, you see the things that they're they're
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: really good at and be like, oh, man, like like
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: you see this, this person really focuses in on on
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: this thing and and and nails it. How can I
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: you know, have that kind of focus when I'm when
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: I'm working on something or do something and and make
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: you know, make this piece of work, you know the
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: best piece of work I can make that piece of work.
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: And so yeah, it's a usually yeah, usually it's just
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: the raguar people that I see and interact with and
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: and kind of see what they're doing or you know,
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: occasionally there's the you see people's yeah, doing things that
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: cause things in their lives to fall apart and give
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: you that those you know, those kind of yeah.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: Watch out, don't let that that that that's even be careful.
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: See where this person's doing so well and this person's
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: you know, struggling, and sometimes you can see what leads
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: to this struggling. Then you can't, you know, so sometimes
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: it seems like someone's doing it all right and and
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: then things start going wrong for them. But uh, and
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: and I don't know you know why. But but the
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: people who can actually get through those sorts of moments
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: and and do it with a smile and do it
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: to that that's always inspiring as well. Yeah, where it's
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: where it's man that that person I can I know
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: they're they're they're having troubles with this. I know they've
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: got problems with this, but it's not a it doesn't
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: seem to to affect them at least the way that
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: doesn't afect the way they treat other people, doesn't affect
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: the way they are, you know. And and that's That's
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: always super inspiring. It's always tried to see, can I
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: can I strive for that? Can I can I you
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: know when when uh, all the bills aren't lining up
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: the way that I want the money is not that
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: there where I wanted the the this project fell through,
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: it didn't didn't happen, this you know, went went bad.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: Oh I had a fight with my wife. Oh the
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: you know, can I can I you know, still keep keep.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: That positive, you know, attitude toward toward life and then
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: we're all right, I'll fix that.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: All right, I'll move on to that, you know. Yeah,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: you know, do that without letting those those things kind
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: of drag down more and other other things. And and
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: so I know I know a few people who are
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: we are really good at that. And so yeah, that
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: that's always inspiring. Love that. And number five, what would
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: you tell your seventeen year old stelf Oh calm down, yeah, uh,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: focus in a little bit, you know, stick with yeah,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: stick with church, stick with the things that are good
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: and right, you know.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: I mean I I spent some some years of of
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: kind of running away from from God and from church
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: and things like that, which which you know, there are
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: good things to that, but uh, but overall it was
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: like like I could not done that. Yeah, yeah, uh,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: don't burn down your parents house a little later on,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: I didn't fully burned down, but did let it on fire.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: You know, don't don't do some of these things that
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: are that are that are risky and and things. But
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: but do take these other risks you take do you know,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: go ahead and you know, so you know, just there's
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: always those those moments.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: Where it's like I wish I would have done that,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: I wish I would have invested in that. It's it's
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: it's it's more of those those things that that you
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: really only know and and in hindsight, it's okay, figure out,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: you know, how to get bitcoin when it's when it's
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: like a couple of bucks, I don't know how it works,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: but you figure out how it works, and uh, and
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: and get some you can make all the movies you want. Yeah,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: you know, those those little things are are good. But
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: I don't know like all the all the things that
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: you do that you mess up and yeah, you get
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: wrong on the way, they kind of build who you are.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: So it's it's hard.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: It's hard to go back and and say, you know,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: don't do them as as well, you know, you know,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: so you just yeah, I don't know, keep keep working,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: figure out, figure out what it is that that you
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: want to do, and and you know, stay stay focused
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: on that.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: Don't let.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: You don't let a little momentary desires and things pull
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: you away. Yeah, you know, stay stay focused. That was
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: that was usually pretty good at that, but definitely times
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: were where it wasn't as good and getting pulled away
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: into into things and and you know, miss out on
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: on things that that could have been or.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: You know, but I don't know. It teaches you to exactly,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: but yeah, you never know, Yeah, you never know. So yeah,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: there you go.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: Now, if people want to find out more about you,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: follow you online, see your work, support you in any way,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: how can they do so?
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: I mean LinkedIn is a good a good spot. I
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: I I don't love social media in general. That's that's
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: the one that I'm I guess the most most active on.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: You know, if you if you reach out to me
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: on on on there, I'll probably I'll probably get back
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: to you.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: The you know.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, I've got an IMDb, so you can check
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: that out to see whatever is you know going.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: On and and all that.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I've got a website that's more of a
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: holder than anything else. But it's got a page there
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: so you can kind of see, I guess, kind of
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: who I am a little bit. But but yeah, so
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: you know, probably link LinkedIn if if you want to
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: actually connect in some way, that's that's the reach out place.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: And uh yeah, yeah, there's there's yeah.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: Always movies and projects that that I'm working on, and
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: yeah you want, you know, reach out, we can talk
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: about them.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, there you go, Jared. I love this conversation
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: so much.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I can't wait to see you know this
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: this film you're talking about and it's gonna be great,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: and I can't wait to see what else you get
• 1:04:25
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• 1:04:41
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• 1:04:44
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• 1:04:47
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