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Revisiting Gentleman Driver: Behind the Scenes with Toni Calderon · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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  Break fix podcast is all about capturing the living history of people from
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  all over the auto sphere, from wrench turners and racers to artists, authors,
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  designers, and everything in between.
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  Our goal is to inspire a new generation of petrol heads that wonder.
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  How did they get that job or become that person?
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  The road to success is paved by all of us because everyone has a story.
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  The gentleman driver gives an inside look into the lives of
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  four extraordinary businessmen who moonlight as race car drivers at the
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  highest levels of sports car racing.
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  But you might be asking yourself right now, am I having déjà vu?
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  Didn't Break Fix already cover the Gentleman Driver documentary?
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  Well, you'd be partially right.
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  Tonight, we're actually rewinding the clock all the way back to
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  episode four of season one.
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  But this time, instead of a panel of critics, we're joined by brothers Tony and
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  Santiago Calderon, who were involved in the making of Gentleman Driver, to get a
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  behind the scenes view on the who, what, and why, and the importance of this film.
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  And with that, Tony and Santiago, welcome to Break Fix.
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  Thank you.
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  Great to be here.
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  Yeah.
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  Nice to be here.
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  Before we jump into the film, like all good break fix stories,
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  there's a superhero origin.
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  So let's talk about how you guys got into motorsports and how this led
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  to being involved in the film later.
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  When I was a kid, my uncle and my dad would take me to Formula One races in
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  Mexico, back in the, not the new remodeled track, but the old version of the track.
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  And we are both from Mexico.
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  We grew up there and.
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  Got to watch Ayrton Senna drive around many years.
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  And I was a huge fan of Ayrton.
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  So Santiago, were you a Senna fan as well?
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  Or were you an Alan Prost fan?
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  Were you on the other side of the rivalry?
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  I think I was too young to like, even know who I was, uh, following up.
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  You know, I've been an athlete and love sports and with Tony's passion for
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  racing, bringing it home every weekend and watching them, our family just
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  loved watching sports together and.
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  Racing was one of them.
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  Fast forward many years, we moved to the U.
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  S.
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  and I became friends with Rodolfo Labine, who was Indy Lights driver.
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  I would start saving up money, going to races with him.
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  And I was just a big IndyCar fan or a champ car back then.
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  Got lucky, got to be involved with some meetings that he had,
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  got to translate certain things.
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  He was sponsored by Corona beers.
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  So there were, there's a lot going on.
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  And.
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  Long story short, he got moved up to Chamkar back then and I basically told
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  him like, you know, you don't have to pay me, just bring me to this races.
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  I want to be your assistant or your helmet bitch, what we lovingly call it.
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  That worked out and got into that world and eventually, you know,
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  moved up from there, started.
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  A few different companies been following Tony around
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  whenever I can to all the races.
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  I got to go to a bunch of champ car races back in the day when, uh, they
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  race are in Houston and we went to the Texas motor speedway when it got
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  canceled because they were too fast.
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  So too many forces I've met with Tony at different parts in the world to
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  go to races and I've gotten to work in the motor sports industry with
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  him, helping him out with a bunch of different things from setting up Sims.
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  To helping drivers out to helping teams out.
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  And that led to many, many years later, after being at the 24 hours of Lamar
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  for a few years and winning it over a bottle of wine in Paris with some
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  friends and say, Hey, wouldn't it be a crazy idea to try to do a documentary?
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  And.
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  Five years later, it came out on Netflix.
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  So quite a bit of work, but, uh, that's how we got here.
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  And then for the Gentleman Driver, I got to be in behind the scenes,
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  but just at Le Mans in New Mexico.
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  And I love being in the background.
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  And that's, that's kind of been my, my ride there.
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  And it continues.
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  And then obviously watching the movie and watching all that happen.
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  It was asked Tony every couple of weeks, how's it coming?
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  How's it coming?
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  And he was like, Oh, you'll see, you'll see, you'll see.
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  And then we got to be in Austin for the premiere.
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  And it was.
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  So the once in a lifetime parent grew up in formula, one transition to champ
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  car, Indy car, IRL cart, whatever you want to call it at the time.
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  It had like six different names, but still in the open wheel world.
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  So you made this transition from open wheel racing to endurance racing.
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  What was that like for you?
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  You know, going to your first Lamar, going to your first IMSA race, did
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  you suddenly get hooked or did it take you time to say, you know what?
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  These aren't as cool as the formula cars are maybe more impressive.
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  Then You know, once you get in the business behind the scenes, they're
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  not quite as separate, you know, you see a lot of the same people, the same
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  mechanics, engineers, drivers, PR people.
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  So for me, it was set their champ car and IndyCar joined or merge, right?
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  The team I was working for, which is Foresight Racing disappeared.
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  So then I was looking for a new job and everything.
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  And one of the drivers I was managing, David Martinez, who was
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  one of the up and coming Mexican drivers, he was out of a ride.
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  So an opportunity came up for him to race at the 24th of Daytona with a young team.
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  So I helped him put that together.
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  And that was my first experience at Daytona.
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  That was in 2009.
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  I was kind of hooked and I realized, wow, there's a huge amount of opportunity here
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  on the business side to do a lot of work.
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  You know, I don't really consider it like, well, you're one or the other.
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  It's just like for many, many, many years, including now, you just kind of do it all.
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  At least SportCars and OpenWheel, once you get into the NASCAR world or rally
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  or MotoGP or something like that, that is a little bit different world.
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  But when you're talking about IndyCar, sports cars, whether it's MSI, SRO, yellow
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  mass, WEC, and even some Formula 1 stuff, it's a little more of the same world.
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  It's different, you know, you, you learn to love them in different ways.
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  And some things are cooler on one side, some things are cooler on the other side.
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  And it depends on what eye you're looking at it with.
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  Well, then I'm going to turn it over to Santiago.
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  Looking at it through your eyes as a fan, what did you like better?
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  Open wheel or sports car and endurance racing?
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  I really enjoyed sports cars, endurance racing.
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  My first race.
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  Was 2014 or so seeing all the classes racing against each other.
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  And, you know, Tony was explaining to me at the time, it was like, you
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  know, the prototype is X amount of faster than the, the GT cars and
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  they'll pass them so many times.
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  And it was like, wow, that is, and there's so many more cars, a lot more action.
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  As much as I, I've enjoyed open wheel racing and I've had, you
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  know, a lot more experience watching that just from everything Tony
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  and I have watched in the past.
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  I do enjoy the endurance racing and that kind of racing a lot more.
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  There's so much more that goes into it.
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  And I think something that got me the most impressed was I've been to the
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  Daytona, I think three times, Daytona 24.
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  And the fact that all three races I've been to come down to the last
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  lap, it was just so crazy to be there to witness that and be like,
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  they've gone for 24 hours and it comes down to the last minute and a half.
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  I've been turning some of my friends to look more into the WEC or IMSA,
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  because it is a lot, it just, there's so much more happening.
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  Tony, you alluded to the genesis of the Gentleman Driver film, which goes
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  back to that 2014, 2015, 2016 season, as you were putting together all the
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  clips and working with the different drivers that are involved in the film.
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  As we look back, we're celebrating almost 10 years of the beginning
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  of that project, which is really interesting to do this retrospective.
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  Walk us through the project.
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  What was your goal with the film and how did you choose the four people
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  that you were going to follow?
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  It all kind of started with one of the jobs that I was doing within
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  racing was as a manager for race car drivers or like a sports agent.
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  And I was managing Ricardo Gonzalez, who's one of the characters in the
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  film, a Mexican gentleman driver.
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  We had won Le Mans in 2013 by winning Le Mans in the LMP2 class.
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  He had become only the second ever Mexican driver to win it.
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  And when we went back in 2015.
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  We were with a very good team and we had a very good chance.
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  So definitely winning again.
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  So I told him like, Hey, why don't we bring a film crew
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  just in case it does happen?
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  Because if it does happen, you won't get the coverage that
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  the professional drivers do.
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  Cause usually gentlemen drivers, you know, they're, they're not as followed
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  by ESPN or NBC sports or whatever, you know, sky or whatever it might be.
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  I said, but it will be historic.
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  So we did that.
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  And then as we were filming there at Le Mans, he ended up not winning it,
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  but the crew that I brought, they were fascinated by the fact that,
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  you know, they didn't understand this concept, like he's a businessman, but
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  also he's racing, you know, against some of the best drivers in the world.
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  And that's kind of how this, this whole thing started.
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  I was like, well, while we're there, why don't we film a little
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  more about this just in case.
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  And so I, you know, I knew a bunch of team owners and gentlemen
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  drivers and professional drivers.
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  So we interviewed everybody and came back to, um, Austin, Texas.
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  And we kind of had this itch like, Oh, this could be interesting.
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  So we came up with a little pseudo trailer of what the movie could be, but
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  that's about as much footage that we had as it was like a two minute trailer.
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  And it actually was quite interesting kind of telling this story that it's
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  never really been told in this format.
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  We were like, well, somebody should make a documentary about this.
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  This is quite interesting.
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  And.
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  We kind of looked at each other.
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  We're like, do you know anybody that can do it?
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  We're like, we don't.
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  And like the people are with video production company here in Austin,
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  but they were doing TV commercials and music videos and stuff like that.
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  Nothing really long form like this.
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  We're like, Hey, let's research this a little bit.
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  I've personally always been a documentary nerd.
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  I started thinking of, you know, what, I've seen hundreds of documentaries, but
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  you know, there's somebody made this one.
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  This is, I kind of had an idea in my mind of what it would look
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  like and what the story would be.
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  And these guys kind of went and did some research about what it
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  takes to make a film like this.
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  So long story short, they came up with some ideas and some budgets.
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  And I went around and try to go say like, well, Hey, we don't
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  know anybody else will do it.
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  Let me see if I can figure out how to raise some money and how to get
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  the right people involved, like the right characters and all that stuff.
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  Thinking that it was just a long shot and then within a week or so, I ended up
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  finding some investors that wanted to pick a gamble on it and see what would happen.
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  And then obviously I was working with Ricardo, but then we started
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  understanding like, what are the right personalities to put on this?
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  And one of the things that we'll discuss after you guys review is
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  like, I think One of the things that wasn't very clear in the movie is
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  like the guys that we picked were the best gentlemen drivers in the world.
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  I mean, we're talking guys that are not seven seconds off.
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  They were one second off from the professional teammate while still
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  being CEOs of this massive companies.
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  Right.
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  It doesn't matter how much money you got, you can't just do that.
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  You know, it takes a lot of talent as well.
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  So anyway, yeah, we ended up with a great group.
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  We filmed for a year following the four of them.
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  So towards the end of the 15th season into the, almost the end of the 16th
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  season, Without really knowing exactly what the storylines were going to be.
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  And you know, we were kind of making it up as we went as far as we have
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  no experience filming a documentary.
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  But like I said, we just went along with it and started figuring out that one very
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  important thing is we knew that if we made a documentary truly about racing,
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  there was a lot of competition, you know, like Senna is one of my favorites.
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  Top three favorite documentary of all time.
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  Not just racing.
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  I think it's, it's an incredible story, right?
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  Or truth in 24, like you guys mentioned in your podcast.
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  That's fantastic.
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  So we didn't want to compete against that.
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  We were realistic about it.
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  And on the other hand, doing a business documentary about like
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  very successful entrepreneurs.
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  That's been done in very, very impressive ways.
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  So we didn't want to compete against that, but that little sliver in the
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  middle of the combination of the two, we knew that was our niche.
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  So everything we did was around that, you know, it's not really about racing.
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  It's not really about business.
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  It's about like the combination of the two and that's what we stuck with.
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  And yeah, film for a year, it was about another year and a
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  half to edit around many times.
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  And then eventually somehow Netflix, which we always joked about that.
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  That would be a pipe dream.
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  And, you know, that was, we always.
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  said, hopefully we'll put it on YouTube and it won't suck.
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  And, you know, we'll be proud ish of it.
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  It kind of started coming together and yeah, uh, the other day we started
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  filming September of 2015 and it came out on Netflix January of 2019.
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  So it was quite a bit of time.
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  A lot of us became familiar with it during COVID because we were catching up
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  on shows and there'd be suggested to us.
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  And you also mentioned, you know, Truth in 24, which we mentioned in our review.
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  But you also sort of just missed the curve of drive to survives popularity.
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  So you have that opportunity to get it in front of people while they
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  weren't so buried in drive to survive.
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  They were still kind of worried about tiger King, but not so much other
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  racing documentaries at the time.
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  I will never be able to have this answer officially from Netflix.
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  I know from the grapevine that one of the reasons that Netflix wanted this,
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  this came out, actually, if you look at the dates came out exactly a month
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  Season one of Drive to Survive came out.
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  One of the reasons Netflix wanted something like this, they wanted
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  something that would be good that they could put on to have shoulder content
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  for Drive to Survive, which is a massive production, obviously, right?
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  So it ended up working out great for us because obviously we had minimal
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  marketing budget and no experience in how to market these things.
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  However, Drive to Survive, by being huge, you know, like, I think,
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  like, what happened to you guys?
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  If you watch this, then you might like this.
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  It drove a ton of people to watch our movies, so that worked out pretty well.
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  The four people that you followed during the course of the documentary are former
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  CEO and president of Patron, which is now owned by Bacardi, which is Ed Brown.
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  Then you had Ricardo Gonzalez, who you were close to as his manager, and
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  he was the chairman of the board at Arkansas State University in Mexico.
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  Then you had Mike Gauche, who's the CEO of Molecule Labs.
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  And then finally, Paul Dalalana, who's the CEO of Northwest Value Partners.
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  Two questions here.
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  As you're behind the scenes, who was your favorite of the gentlemen drivers that
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  you saw Tony interacting with, or maybe you got to meet, and then secondly, let's
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  follow this up with, where are they now?
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  I got to hang out with Ricardo a lot cause I was actually in
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  Sweden for a lot of those seasons.
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  When they were doing the WEC in Europe, I got to go to
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  Silverstone Spa and to Le Mans.
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  So I got to see a lot of behind the scenes of just Riccardo and hanging out
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  with him and going to dinner with him and, and he's a Mexican, so I kind of had
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  just like this quite biased view on it.
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  I think I met the other guys maybe once just walking around.
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  Yeah, Ricardo was my boy.
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  Obviously, the race in Mexico, I was there for that.
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  Funny enough, I was there for our cousin's wedding, which Tony couldn't
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  go because he was at the race.
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  But during the wedding, I was following and they ended up winning that race.
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  So I was in the middle of like the dinner party.
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  I was like, Oh yeah, they won, they won.
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  And I was like looking at me and you know, I had an investment in knowing
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  him and knowing his co drivers.
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  Ricardo is my favorite.
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  Team Ricardo.
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  So Tony, you had to work with all four of these guys.
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  So it's been a bunch of years.
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  Where are they now?
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  What are they up to?
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  Are they still racing?
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  You know what?
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  The only one that is still racing as far as I know is Mike
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  Gouache, but he's racing go karts.
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  He kept racing.
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  Then unfortunately had quite a bad accident in an LMP3 car in,
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  um, Silverstone broke his back.
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  It was in the, in ELMS that kind of stopped his racing,
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  but that guy's a beast.
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  He's now back.
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  He lives in California and I know, um, like he races go karts pretty often.
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  And then Ed Brown sold Patron.
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  Obviously he's involved with a lot of different organizations
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  and doing many different things.
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  All the Atlanta was the one that stayed the longest and he's been very successful.
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  And I believe he just announced that last year was his last,
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  at least full season in racing.
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  And he was doing a lot.
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  He was doing for many years, he would do WEC and then do a
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  bunch of IMSA races as well.
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  I met Ricardo after we finished the movie and you know there was a lot going on
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  if you've seen it You know, we started a team we promoted a race in Mexico
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  that it was quite a bit of work But then at the same time he was starting this
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  humongous project in Mexico is starting a new university So he retired after the
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  year that we that we filmed that was his last year But now his sons are starting
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  to race go karts and in usf junior.
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  So next generation is coming up It's hard to stay away.
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  That's for sure So now we're going to dig a little bit deeper into the film.
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  Sometimes gentlemen drivers are looked down upon in racing, right?
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  We talked a lot about this in our review.
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  It's all pay to play.
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  And if you have enough money, they just let you in door because
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  you're keeping the team afloat.
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  But then you do have some even current gentlemen drivers like Ben Keating,
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  who has done Le Mans nine times.
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  He just won two in a row with Aston and then Corvette, and he's
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  hoping to win again this year.
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  The Gentleman Driver sort of spans the gambit.
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  But what's interesting is, and you alluded to this earlier, and I think it
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  goes back to that concept, one of our critics sort of hit on was the aristocracy
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  that was brought up in the beginning.
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  What was left on the table was their actual talent.
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  As you said, these were four of the best Gentleman Drivers in the world, and that
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  really wasn't portrayed in the film.
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  I want to start off, before we really deep dive into all those topics, what
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  was your guys reaction to our review of the documentary now, years later?
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  What did you think?
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  Were we too harsh as race fans?
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  Were we fair?
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  Did you appreciate our reaction?
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  I was 50 50.
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  Some fascinating discussions and that's what you want, right?
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  Like when you have a film about whatever topic, you don't want it to be too biased.
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  One way or the other.
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  And if people interpret things in different ways,
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  that's what you want, right?
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  Especially what was it with the documentary.
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  So I really appreciated that.
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  And it was very interesting to hear on the topics.
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  And then I thought you guys had some very astute comments about,
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  you know, we should have covered more of this and more of that.
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  And if we get into it, you know, like there's a lot of reasons
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  why certain things get covered.
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  None of the things are covered in that situation.
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  I thought it was great.
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  I was a bit disappointed that you guys were taking your personal biases about
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  what gentlemen drivers mean to the sport and taking it out on the film, which
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  was just a journalistic way of, it's a mirror of what happens in real life.
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  It's like, if you watch a war documentary and you're anti war, you shouldn't say
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  people shouldn't watch that documentary because it covers something I don't like.
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  So that part, cause I think at the end of the year, recommendation for most
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  of them was like, I wouldn't recommend it because it doesn't really represent.
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  Racing in a, in a good light.
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  And I disagree.
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  I think it represents, it just shows parts of racing and whether
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  you like it or not, that's on you.
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  Right.
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  But you guys reviewed it as insiders in the racing world, of course, and as
• 16:41
  race fans, and one of the things that we really try to do, and it was a very
• 16:44
  tough balance was to not just make it for race fans while still staying true.
• 16:48
  To the racing world.
• 16:49
  So like one of the things that I was very, very strict about, whether you like it
• 16:53
  or not, at least let's not fluff it, the racing part of it, and even the racing
• 16:57
  scenes and the edits, like, you know, you see a lot of stuff where like, it's
• 16:59
  kind of, you know, it's not realistic, but we try to keep very true to that.
• 17:02
  But also let's not go too deep because your target market is tiny, right?
• 17:06
  If you go deep to Joseph sports car fans, you know, it's just a handful of people.
• 17:10
  We, we really wanted to make it more mainstream.
• 17:12
  So that was always that balance.
• 17:13
  So yeah, I appreciated the discussion and I wish you guys would have not taken
• 17:17
  out your personal biases on the movie.
• 17:19
  And I appreciate that feedback as well and going back and re listening
• 17:23
  to that episode four years later and re looking at the material with
• 17:27
  different eyes, you know, wiser eyes.
• 17:29
  I think I would probably pull back some of the things That were said
• 17:32
  myself personally, so I apologize, you know, if they came off a little
• 17:35
  too cross or a little too harsh.
• 17:37
  No man, it's, it's been my favorite review of the movie because it was a lot more
• 17:41
  in depth, but this is perfect, right?
• 17:42
  This is, you know, you've done something interesting when people
• 17:45
  have very varied opinions about it.
• 17:46
  When it becomes polarizing.
• 17:47
  Yeah.
• 17:48
  There are still things that, we'll get to this as we go along.
• 17:50
  What was left on the table?
• 17:51
  What could have been done differently?
• 17:53
  What could have helped us even as the enthusiasts, but help the newbie, right?
• 17:57
  Cause I'm always thinking about the newbie and the education part.
• 18:00
  And I think you just mentioning at the beginning of this conversation, these
• 18:03
  were four of the best gentlemen drivers in the world that was not conveyed.
• 18:07
  That was not clear.
• 18:08
  Even to me as a racing fan, I'm sitting here going.
• 18:11
  Well, Bruno Senna was his teammate and this and that, and I'm thinking
• 18:13
  about his stats and I don't know much about these guys, right?
• 18:16
  We could dive more into that, but that would have really changed
• 18:19
  the tone for all of us going, they're not just gentlemen drivers.
• 18:22
  They're exceptional at their job, right?
• 18:25
  And that realigned some of the, I think the complaints and the
• 18:28
  critiques that you guys got, but.
• 18:30
  In all fairness, let's turn it to a sort of unbiased third party.
• 18:33
  Santiago, what did you think of our review and what was your review of the
• 18:37
  film once you saw it the first time?
• 18:39
  As far as your review, I was laughing.
• 18:41
  I think I kind of like Tony said, I had like both sides because
• 18:44
  obviously it's my brother's movie.
• 18:46
  And I was like, you guys don't know what you're talking about.
• 18:49
  Well, you do know, you know too much of what you're talking about, I guess.
• 18:52
  I was kind of that target audience.
• 18:54
  I actually, I probably am the target audience that movie was for because
• 18:57
  I knew about racing and I've been at races, but not all the little
• 19:00
  details and everything that goes on.
• 19:02
  So yeah, I think the review was polarizing on both.
• 19:05
  I'm like, yeah, I agree with that.
• 19:06
  But no, what is it?
• 19:07
  You're not supposed to know about that.
• 19:08
  Cause that's, they're trying to explain this and they're trying
• 19:10
  to, Get the beginner to go in there and get a better idea.
• 19:13
  And if they want to get, know more about it, then go watch the races
• 19:15
  and figure it out yourself, right?
• 19:17
  Read into it.
• 19:18
  Luckily, I have an expert as a brother, so I could ask all the questions
• 19:21
  that I needed to at the races and then while filming and even, you
• 19:25
  know, throughout the editing process.
• 19:27
  I got to see a lot of rough cuts.
• 19:29
  Well, that leads to the next question, right?
• 19:30
  It was cool seeing the trailer that Tony mentioned, the two minute one.
• 19:33
  And then he would be like, Oh, check this out.
• 19:35
  We have like a rough draft of it.
• 19:37
  So then I would watch parts of it.
• 19:38
  He's like, but you got to remember, there's going to be better sound.
• 19:41
  There's music and a narrator.
• 19:42
  So seeing it happen.
• 19:44
  And then the first time I got to watch it on the big screen, they
• 19:47
  had a pre show at the really cool place in Austin, but it was outside.
• 19:52
  And the sound wasn't fully there, but I got to see all the scenes
• 19:55
  happening, which was great.
• 19:57
  And then of course watching it at the Alma Draft House in Austin at the
• 20:00
  premiere with the red carpet and panel and like Tony's name on the screen.
• 20:05
  I think I have a picture of it somewhere there.
• 20:07
  It says, you know, executive producer and.
• 20:09
  Don't know if I've told you before, but I was very proud of you, Tony, for that.
• 20:12
  And especially, again, having been in the background and kind of seeing
• 20:14
  everything happen and first time I could do that for any kind of movie,
• 20:17
  just being like, Oh, I was there.
• 20:19
  I was that scene.
• 20:19
  I was behind the camera guy, but same time it's up in the screen.
• 20:22
  It was accelerating in a good way.
• 20:24
  One of the bigger comments that was made throughout the film, and I think
• 20:27
  I asked my critics probably a half a dozen times throughout the course of
• 20:32
  that podcast episode, the show portrays.
• 20:34
  Racing as a rich man's playboy sport.
• 20:37
  Does this turn off the grassroots enthusiasts or inspire them?
• 20:41
  I felt like I was badgering the witness a little bit as I went back and read I was
• 20:44
  like man How many times did I ask him this and nobody really answered that question?
• 20:49
  So i'm going to ask you guys But the way it was all put together as a, let's
• 20:53
  say, up and coming racer or somebody that's like an SCCA or SRO working their
• 20:58
  way up, they see the gentleman driver.
• 21:00
  Did you design it to try to draw them in or inspire them?
• 21:04
  What are your thoughts?
• 21:05
  One of the things that you guys were totally right.
• 21:07
  I don't think we Looking back expressed enough, like how like these guys were
• 21:12
  the 1 percent of the 1%, which is the 1 percent of the gentlemen drivers, right?
• 21:16
  And there's gentlemen drivers in all levels like you guys, you can take your
• 21:19
  Porsche out on a track day and do that.
• 21:20
  But what driving an LMP2 car and winning Le Mans, that's a
• 21:23
  whole different thing, right?
• 21:25
  So they're at the top of the sphere.
• 21:26
  And I don't think we expressed that properly for sure.
• 21:29
  We did try to find the balance between not just making like,
• 21:33
  well, look how cool these guys are.
• 21:34
  They're so rich and they drive the fastest, coolest cars.
• 21:37
  And they got a bunch of money and they fly in private jets.
• 21:39
  Like we have to show that because that's the reality.
• 21:41
  But also on the other hand, we wanted to show like, Yeah, there's a bunch of
• 21:44
  people like that, but there's only four of them that are at this level that
• 21:47
  are racing, you know, so it's not just like having a hundred million dollars
• 21:50
  or having a hundred billion dollars doesn't make you a faster driver.
• 21:53
  And to be at the level that you have to be here, you really got to try.
• 21:55
  Right.
• 21:56
  And that's that concept of meristocracy where it doesn't
• 21:59
  matter how silver the spoon is.
• 22:01
  How deep your bank account is.
• 22:03
  If you don't have the talent, you can't buy your way to the crown at Lamar.
• 22:07
  And one of the things we're trying to also to show, but, you know, like,
• 22:10
  and like you guys mentioned as well, like, you know, to become a successful,
• 22:13
  these guys are, you know, you're, you're a special personality and you're
• 22:16
  probably polarizing in many ways, you know, in, uh, in, in social ways.
• 22:19
  However, one of the things we try to show and it goes to the, I
• 22:22
  know you guys talk about imposter syndrome and stuff like that.
• 22:24
  It's like.
• 22:25
  Look, this guy might run Patron and might have however many thousand employees
• 22:29
  and you know, everybody basically sucks up to him and probably never says no,
• 22:34
  but when he steps in the race car, his 23 year old teammate might tell
• 22:37
  him who makes 50, 000 a year at best probably might tell him You suck and
• 22:42
  you got to get your stuff together.
• 22:43
  So we were trying to find like that balance of like changing, completely
• 22:46
  being from the CEO to being the guy that gets told that you've got to do
• 22:49
  better because you're the worst one there, we thought that was a very
• 22:52
  interesting balance to try to show.
• 22:53
  And I like to find different angles, right.
• 22:55
  To, to show that once again, like, yeah, you can be rich and Famous
• 22:58
  and successful, but it's still okay.
• 23:00
  So I'm glad you brought that up because I know I made the comments
• 23:03
  about how Bruno Senna is in the background and this and that.
• 23:06
  And I'm like, if he said two words, the entire film, that was it.
• 23:10
  And I wonder if that problem that you've kind of presented there for the audience.
• 23:14
  Could have been solved by showing maybe an over the shoulder shot of
• 23:18
  Bruno and Ricardo talking, going over data, like this is where you can prove
• 23:24
  this is where you're breaking it.
• 23:25
  You know, I know it's very technical in the weeds racing,
• 23:28
  but when we compare that to Dr.
• 23:31
  Art Markman.
• 23:33
  A lot of us were lost and that was another focal point that we brought up
• 23:36
  and we sort of like teased it because it was like, who is this psychologist?
• 23:39
  I'm sure he's well known and all this kind of stuff, but it took
• 23:42
  away from the racing experience.
• 23:44
  So let's dive into that part of it a little bit more.
• 23:47
  There's two ways to dive into it.
• 23:49
  the fun thing about doing a behind the scenes stuff.
• 23:51
  You can dive into it, like the storylines and you know, and how we
• 23:54
  thought about it and expressing them.
• 23:56
  And then you can also dive into the logistics of like what we filmed and
• 23:59
  what we did and, and the budgets and, you know, how many days you could actually
• 24:02
  film and how many races you could go to.
• 24:04
  And at the end of the day, you know, as, as rookie filmmakers
• 24:07
  making the best of it.
• 24:08
  Right.
• 24:08
  So obviously going back, if I ever do something like this
• 24:11
  again, you know, I have about.
• 24:12
  A list of a hundred things that would do differently.
• 24:14
  Right.
• 24:15
  And a lot of that goes along how to capture these stories and how to keep the
• 24:19
  stories going, which similar to racing, you know, every day of filming costs X,
• 24:23
  so you only have so many days and you're going to be very strategic about it, man.
• 24:26
  Like Bruno is a perfect example, right?
• 24:27
  Like Bruno, he's probably the biggest name we had in the film.
• 24:30
  I mean, you barely see him.
• 24:31
  And honestly, that has a lot to do with the logistics of when
• 24:35
  he came on board of the team.
• 24:36
  It was, that was the second year of the second season that we were filming.
• 24:39
  And technically we only film, it looks like we film the whole season.
• 24:42
  We actually only filmed two races that year.
• 24:44
  We filmed the Silverstone race, which the team won.
• 24:46
  Great.
• 24:47
  It was great to capture.
• 24:48
  And then the Mexico race, which it also won.
• 24:49
  Like, so that alone, like the documentary gods aligned the
• 24:53
  storylines for us in that sense.
• 24:54
  But we just ran out of footage to have any from Bruna.
• 24:57
  And we had this tiny little camera crew that was filming, not just.
• 25:00
  Ricardo and Bruno and Philippe Albuquerque and that's it.
• 25:02
  But then we were also filming Ed and Paul and Mike.
• 25:06
  There were a lot of things that happened that we just didn't capture.
• 25:08
  We were like, well, damn, that would have been great to capture.
• 25:10
  We had another film crew or we had another race to film.
• 25:13
  So that was on that side.
• 25:14
  Art, Markman's side and all that stuff.
• 25:17
  In many ways, it was a bit forced and we knew it.
• 25:19
  But we also knew that we had to.
• 25:22
  Dig a little deeper into these themes.
• 25:24
  And a lot of them were just because you're super successful and famous in one part
• 25:28
  of your life, doesn't mean that that just carries over to everything else, you know?
• 25:32
  And the fact that, you know, like these guys will go risk
• 25:35
  their life and be humbled.
• 25:36
  Yeah.
• 25:36
  By spending a lot of money and being really cool and wasn't good, but also
• 25:39
  doing something that they're not good at.
• 25:41
  They're probably not used to that.
• 25:42
  And we were trying to like coach that entrepreneurial spirit more
• 25:44
  than if you're not good at something, you can still try something else.
• 25:46
  But now we get into this.
• 25:48
  Weird situation where again, there's a bit of a contradiction because if we
• 25:53
  understand that they're the top 1 percent of the 1 percent of gentlemen drivers,
• 25:56
  and let's say they're only a second behind the pros, the whole imposter
• 26:00
  syndrome and the risk mitigation sort of goes out the window again, because
• 26:04
  they have nothing to be anxious about.
• 26:06
  They should be proud of the fact if you're within a second of a pro driver,
• 26:09
  I mean, holy smokes, that's amazing.
• 26:11
  If you were seven seconds behind and then going home with the Lamont's trophy.
• 26:15
  And I think we explored that a little bit in our review.
• 26:18
  That's where you could say, okay, you've got the imposter syndrome
• 26:20
  because did you really win?
• 26:22
  Did you really earn that trophy at the end of the day when the other
• 26:25
  guys are doing triple your stint and they're spending all the time in
• 26:27
  the pit and with the engineers, and you're just told to show up and this
• 26:30
  is when you drive and you go home.
• 26:32
  So there's a fine line that has to be walked here to make it
• 26:35
  believable for the audience.
• 26:37
  Imposter syndrome happens.
• 26:38
  to the top everyone, everyone has imposter syndrome saying, Oh, just
• 26:42
  because he's one second off, he shouldn't have imposter syndrome.
• 26:44
  Even Bruno Senna has imposter syndrome.
• 26:47
  Even Ben Keating has imposter syndrome.
• 26:50
  You know, that happens to the top athletes.
• 26:52
  Tom Brady had imposter syndrome for a while, you know, in every sport that I
• 26:55
  remember in the review, when you guys said that, I was like, no, everyone has that
• 26:58
  in like the sports performance, probably the biggest, the most common thing.
• 27:01
  They may just not show it.
• 27:03
  They may be, they have the confidence and the swagger behind it.
• 27:05
  But a lot of them are thinking, what the hell am I doing here?
• 27:08
  How am I still top of the game?
• 27:09
  I like said, this is something we didn't show the right way in the movie, but
• 27:12
  it's yeah, you can be a second off, but you could also be ninth and stuff,
• 27:15
  you know, on these guys that are like high performance at this level of both
• 27:18
  business and sport, they're never happy.
• 27:20
  Like they're like, yeah, I'm a gentleman driver.
• 27:22
  Everybody knows I'm the slowest one.
• 27:24
  Even if like you're the best one, you know, it's like
• 27:26
  being the best of the worst.
• 27:27
  They don't want to be that.
• 27:28
  Plus don't forget, like, and you know, that scene we show it at the
• 27:31
  beginning where Paul Atlanta crashes.
• 27:33
  Leading Lamar, right?
• 27:34
  We said also, there's only so much we could follow up on that, but yeah,
• 27:37
  he was paying for it, but he caused a Lamar win to a team of 50 people
• 27:42
  or somewhere, but his own mistake.
• 27:44
  And he could have not made that mistake.
• 27:46
  We were trying to explore that a little bit.
• 27:47
  Like these guys are competitive to the core, regardless of their limitations
• 27:50
  by age or experience of the game.
• 27:52
  Do you think it would have helped the audience to maybe add more of a office
• 27:57
  or Parks and Rec style confessional where you got that vulnerability
• 28:01
  directly from Ricardo or from Ed because it's sort of lacking is you miss that
• 28:06
  opportunity to hear it from them.
• 28:07
  And there were certain things that even Ricardo said that we highlighted that
• 28:11
  it's like, wow, this doesn't jive with the message that you're trying to put out.
• 28:15
  It was just contradictory.
• 28:16
  A hundred percent.
• 28:17
  And I wish we could have had more of that.
• 28:19
  And like I said, you know, honestly, it comes down to one
• 28:22
  inexperience in filmmaking.
• 28:23
  It, you know, like as producers, you know, like you, you got the guys that
• 28:26
  make this amazing documentary, they've interviewed with a hundred people and
• 28:29
  they know how to get this out of them.
• 28:30
  Right.
• 28:30
  Also, these guys were pretty guarded at first, which I know you guys mentioned
• 28:34
  in your, um, review actually, you know, like a fun behind the scenes story,
• 28:37
  the scene of all of us interviewed.
• 28:39
  Having dinner, which ended up being a scene that goes throughout the movie.
• 28:42
  And we used it to tell different things.
• 28:44
  I love that.
• 28:44
  By the way, that got used again later.
• 28:46
  I think you guys influence motorsport TV.
• 28:48
  They did it with Michelle Mouton and David Coulthard, the heroes documentary.
• 28:52
  Yeah, that was actually, and I know the, you know, the guy that made that as a
• 28:55
  guy that made Santa, who I got to know a little bit, he helped me a little bit
• 28:58
  unofficially with some advice to this.
• 28:59
  So that was pretty cool to see.
• 29:01
  But that was the very last thing we ever filmed.
• 29:03
  And it wasn't in the plan.
• 29:04
  It wasn't in the budget.
• 29:06
  I had to come up with a bit of magic at the end of the filming, because
• 29:09
  we knew we were missing a lot.
• 29:10
  Not only something that would connect some storylines, but also I like, you
• 29:14
  know, I will tell my producers, I was like, I know these guys are way more
• 29:19
  open and way more laid back and way more just honest than what we've gotten on TV.
• 29:23
  But they're not used to being filmed with all that camera.
• 29:25
  And how do I know that?
• 29:26
  Because I've been out to dinner with them drinking wine and, you
• 29:29
  know, talking about whatever.
• 29:30
  So then we're thinking, well, why don't we just go out to dinner
• 29:33
  and drink wine and talk about it?
• 29:34
  And that's how it came about.
• 29:35
  And we got a little more of that.
• 29:37
  So looking back, I would have done many more of those scenes or figured
• 29:40
  out a way to like, kind of get behind the skin a little bit more.
• 29:42
  I really enjoyed that.
• 29:43
  I think that's one of my favorite parts is going back to that dinner scene.
• 29:46
  And as mentioned, they did seem uncomfortable even together there at
• 29:50
  the table, so it didn't feel forced, but it was just sort of like, man,
• 29:55
  these guys need to relax a little bit, a couple more bottles of wine, you know?
• 29:59
  We had a director of photography and sound people.
• 30:01
  They're like, well, you can't be drinking cutting steak and drinking
• 30:04
  wine, or what about continuity?
• 30:06
  It's going to look one scene that you have a full glass of wine
• 30:09
  and the next scene less, and the steak's going to be on table.
• 30:11
  And I was like, I don't care.
• 30:12
  Don't worry about it.
• 30:13
  This is an indie documentary.
• 30:14
  Nobody's going to judge us on continuity.
• 30:16
  They're going to judge us on the story we tell.
• 30:18
  So like, I don't care.
• 30:19
  And if it's loud and there's like.
• 30:21
  Okay, let's just try to get the most out of it.
• 30:24
  It's my favorite scene also.
• 30:25
  And I love the way our editor used it as the spine of the story to tell it.
• 30:29
  I don't know what we would have done without it.
• 30:30
  I don't know what, there's so many things that came together that sometimes I
• 30:34
  have a little panic and excited, like, what if we hadn't had that, like, what
• 30:37
  the hell would we have done with it?
• 30:38
  You know, like winning the race in Mexico, it all kind of just, you know, it
• 30:41
  looked like it was made to be, and they closed a lot of storylines and stuff.
• 30:44
  So we got lucky in many ways.
• 30:45
  Did Netflix kind of box you into the 88 minute magic length,
• 30:50
  or was that your guy's choice?
• 30:51
  Actually, Netflix, we didn't even begin discussions with Netflix until the
• 30:54
  movie was completely finished and done.
• 30:57
  So we took a different approach also, you know, learning about the business
• 31:00
  and distribution and the entertainment world, which I'm still learning about, but
• 31:03
  obviously much more experienced now, but.
• 31:05
  We had no idea what we were going to do with this movie.
• 31:07
  We knew we wanted to make the best possible movie with the resources
• 31:10
  and the experience that we had.
• 31:11
  And then after it was 99 percent finished, that's when Netflix
• 31:15
  said, okay, we're interested.
• 31:16
  And then after that, honestly, they just asked us for like
• 31:18
  subtitles and a few little things here and there, but nothing else.
• 31:21
  So no, the 88 minutes, 83 minutes, actually, now we're 23, whatever that is.
• 31:26
  It just kind of worked out.
• 31:27
  We try to make it as concise as possible.
• 31:30
  You know, the, you know, if you saw the first call, there was
• 31:31
  four hours, obviously impossible.
• 31:33
  Right.
• 31:33
  And it was, it was terrible.
• 31:35
  But then after that, we went to one hour 40, then one hour 30 and
• 31:38
  one hour 29 and then one hour 27.
• 31:40
  And we're just trying to keep it as, as much puzzle.
• 31:42
  And looking back now that I've watched it, you know, a few years later, I would
• 31:45
  probably would have made it a little bit shorter, but it is what it is.
• 31:48
  Sure.
• 31:49
  I would have advocated for making it longer at 20 minutes.
• 31:51
  Back into it.
• 31:52
  If we had it, we didn't know what else to put in it.
• 31:55
  There's one other big critique that the panel made about the gentleman driver.
• 32:01
  And it it's right on the nose.
• 32:02
  It's right in the title, the gentle man driving.
• 32:06
  And one of the questions we bring up on this show quite a bit is
• 32:09
  diversification of the paddock.
• 32:11
  And you can take that however you like.
• 32:13
  So in this case, Where is the gentle lady driver?
• 32:18
  And more importantly, how do we entice more people, especially
• 32:21
  women, to come into racing?
• 32:23
  So this is a perfect example of what I said at the beginning of the show.
• 32:26
  Like, I 100 percent agree that that is the case.
• 32:30
  However, that is not necessarily a reflection, in my opinion.
• 32:34
  Like, we were just showing what the reality is.
• 32:36
  It wasn't like we were like, let's just have a bunch of guys
• 32:39
  and no females in this movie.
• 32:41
  Like, they were just within the world that we were in.
• 32:43
  And, you know, and like I said, getting into logistics and budgets and
• 32:46
  all that, there were absolutely zero women that we could follow that were
• 32:50
  general women drivers or general lady drivers, whatever you want to call it.
• 32:53
  However, I a hundred percent agree on some projects that I've been working
• 32:56
  on nowadays address that much more.
• 32:59
  And I think, and it's crazy also, you know, what has changed
• 33:01
  the world from 2015, from when we started filming this to now.
• 33:04
  So I a hundred percent agree with the critique of that as a sport.
• 33:08
  I think it's a little unfair to critique the movie on that because, you know, it's
• 33:11
  like, I said, it's putting your bias in front of the review, but that's fair.
• 33:14
  You know, I get it.
• 33:15
  And where is it?
• 33:16
  I mean, we all know racing is not the most diverse sport.
• 33:19
  I think it's gotten much better.
• 33:21
  And a lot of the organizations, like you see IMSA and IndyCar and
• 33:24
  pushing scholarships and diversity scholarships, stuff like that.
• 33:26
  And then you see now in a WEC, you know, there's a lot more female drivers.
• 33:30
  But still far behind, right?
• 33:32
  So I do think the sport needs to continue pushing that.
• 33:35
  There's a lot of fantastic drivers out there.
• 33:37
  I've gotten to be personally involved with some really cool projects
• 33:40
  lately, much after the movie came out many years later to create
• 33:43
  opportunities for female drivers.
• 33:45
  And I love it.
• 33:45
  And I think I a hundred percent agree with you guys.
• 33:48
  That's Highly lacking in the sport and hopefully we'll see some changes.
• 33:51
  I don't think it's fair either to say like, well, who's fault is it?
• 33:54
  Like, you know, I don't, I don't think there's anybody.
• 33:56
  I don't think most people out there are necessarily trying to
• 33:58
  hold anybody back and all that.
• 33:59
  It's a universal thing, right?
• 34:00
  It comes from the beginning.
• 34:01
  There's not enough girl carters.
• 34:03
  So then at that point, there's less opportunities to move up just
• 34:05
  like you've seen in other sports.
• 34:06
  And then I think there could be a lot more sponsorship that could help,
• 34:09
  that would help a lot, you know, that would help bring women along in.
• 34:12
  But then, you know, one of my dear friends, Beth Paretta, she
• 34:14
  has her IndyCar team, you know, what she's done is incredible.
• 34:16
  And she's proven that you can have a, not just a female driver, but mostly female
• 34:21
  lead crew, both working on the cars, doing the pit stops and engineering marketing.
• 34:25
  And they just take somebody like her to really help push it along.
• 34:29
  And I hope that, you know, that we can keep pushing that way.
• 34:31
  And, And like I said, with some of my new projects, we're trying to figure
• 34:34
  out a little grain of sand that on our side and how we can help with that.
• 34:38
  So santiago you were nodding your head while your brother was talking.
• 34:41
  What are your thoughts on diversifying the paddock?
• 34:43
  I was nodding because I i've seen since 2015 14 when I first started
• 34:48
  going to the races and being behind the scenes with tony and being in the
• 34:51
  pits and all that to even I got to go to daytona's last year and just The
• 34:55
  amount of women that are represented both as drivers and as just part of it.
• 35:01
  And not just as lane girls as they used to be in the jam car and all that,
• 35:04
  but they're actually kicking ass out there and getting stuff done, I think
• 35:08
  it's been growing and I, I'm very proud of just, that is a change kind
• 35:12
  of like Tony was saying, it's such a unique sport where in all sports right
• 35:15
  now, it's a male dominated system, but we're starting to see a change.
• 35:19
  And that reminded me that even the NCAA women's.
• 35:21
  More people have been watching the woman's side than the men's side or
• 35:24
  something like that, which is crazy.
• 35:25
  I'm really glad you went there because one of the things that I always
• 35:30
  put a big pin in is the fact that motorsport is one of the only sports
• 35:35
  where it can be completely co ed.
• 35:37
  It doesn't have to have this delineation between men's
• 35:40
  basketball and women's basketball.
• 35:42
  And I never understood the concept of Formula W.
• 35:45
  Why can't these women drive formula cars?
• 35:48
  I mean, Lynn St.
• 35:48
  James broke records 40 years ago in IndyCar being rookie of the year.
• 35:52
  And there's been plenty of other women like Michelle Mouton and others that
• 35:55
  have set records around the world.
• 35:57
  They've proven that they can do this.
• 35:58
  It's, I hate to say, somebody else has referred to drivers as the
• 36:02
  meat behind the steering wheel.
• 36:03
  It doesn't matter what gender, color, race, ethnicity, creed you are.
• 36:07
  It's the machine and the person together that are out there competing.
• 36:11
  So I want to get your guys thoughts on maybe the unification
• 36:15
  of some of these series.
• 36:16
  Do you see that happening in the future?
• 36:18
  I hope so.
• 36:18
  I mean, like I said, it's W series and now F1 Academy, right?
• 36:22
  Whatever it is that I read, like, you know, she, she has strong opinions on
• 36:25
  that and they're what you think, right?
• 36:27
  It might be going backwards a little bit, but look at the day, I think.
• 36:30
  At least it's doing something as and it's giving women some opportunities.
• 36:34
  However, like you said, a meritocracy, right?
• 36:37
  Like the stopwatch doesn't know who's driving, how old they are, what gender
• 36:41
  they are, what their socioeconomic status is, what their race is.
• 36:44
  It doesn't matter.
• 36:45
  And it is one of the very few sports where you can have that.
• 36:48
  You will hear probably at the very high level, maybe like an F1 or
• 36:51
  IndyCar, there's probably a bit of a physical like strength component
• 36:54
  with a super high G forces.
• 36:56
  I say that and then you see like Simona Silvestro, who's an incredibly competitive
• 37:00
  and whatever you put her in, IndyCar, Formula E, anything like that, right?
• 37:03
  So I think it's really more about the grassroots part of it, because like
• 37:06
  anything else, like any sport with gender, race, nationality, like if you don't have
• 37:10
  a strong grassroots, then the pyramid just gets much smaller as you get to the top.
• 37:14
  I hope that we see more of that and I think we will.
• 37:16
  I'm very optimistic about it.
• 37:18
  I think is it like 40 years of title nine?
• 37:20
  So like it's bringing up women are behind just because of the gender
• 37:24
  systematic roles and being more exposure.
• 37:27
  And I know some of the Tony's projects and other projects going on.
• 37:31
  I think those are creating opportunities and exposure for women to be top
• 37:35
  level and not just be a gender role.
• 37:38
  And that's why organizations like Women in Motorsports North America also exists.
• 37:41
  So partnering with them, which I know Beth is a part of as well, is fantastic.
• 37:45
  And they're doing, you help women achieve in all different
• 37:48
  disciplines of motorsport.
• 37:49
  Really looking forward to seeing where that takes itself in the
• 37:52
  next couple of years, because it's only a couple of years old now.
• 37:54
  So it's still in its infancy and continuing to grow very, very quickly.
• 37:58
  We talked a lot about different things could have done, should
• 38:01
  have done throughout this talk.
• 38:03
  Tony, what do you think was left on the table?
• 38:05
  If you could go back and do it over again, what's the thing that you would change?
• 38:08
  I would have been a lot more aggressive with capturing
• 38:12
  those awkward moments, right?
• 38:14
  On those difficult moments.
• 38:15
  I assume, you know, from some friends I've met in the entertainment industry
• 38:18
  now, like that's a hard part, right?
• 38:20
  But you know, when, when you see the, the really, really in depth.
• 38:23
  Docuseries and documentaries and you know, these directors and, and these
• 38:27
  showrunners that have this incredible way of like putting the camera right
• 38:30
  here with somebody while they're going through something incredibly
• 38:33
  difficult, whatever that might be.
• 38:34
  So I would've loved to do that.
• 38:35
  I actually hold my ground, which is a little bit of like against what
• 38:39
  you guys were saying about going more into detail on a lot of the race.
• 38:42
  I mean, maybe a couple of things here and there, explaining more
• 38:45
  in detail what the racing was.
• 38:46
  We made a very painful one for me, but I knew we had to do it,
• 38:49
  that we were not gonna get into.
• 38:50
  LMP2 and GTD ELMS versus WEC and a lot of those details because
• 38:56
  once again that makes your target audience much smaller and we were
• 38:59
  really trying to go for a wider one.
• 39:00
  I do wish we would explain a little more kind of like the concept of like
• 39:03
  why these guys they were a little different right and why why they were
• 39:07
  very successful as gentlemen drivers.
• 39:08
  I wish we would have had more experience when we made it, you
• 39:11
  know, like I made a lot of mistakes, our first edit was terrible.
• 39:15
  So we had to kind of start from scratch after a year or so.
• 39:18
  And that was discerning, but then we had this incredible editor, Justin
• 39:22
  Barclay that joined us and, uh, he kind of really revived the story.
• 39:27
  So that, and then honestly, I wish we would have had more experience.
• 39:31
  On the marketing side of things.
• 39:32
  Cause I think this could have gone bigger.
• 39:34
  Obviously having a Netflix is already kind of built in marketing, but I
• 39:37
  think we could have done much better.
• 39:38
  And, uh, but no, if I did it again, I would do it much differently, but also
• 39:42
  it's probably one of the, if not one of the most proud projects of my life.
• 39:46
  And I still, it's kind of weird because I'm a racing guy, right?
• 39:49
  I'm not, but then, you know, you get into this thing.
• 39:51
  It's like, Oh, you made a movie, a Netflix movie, which is crazy.
• 39:53
  So definitely something I'll be proud to tell my grandkids about one of these days.
• 39:56
  Santiago real talk.
• 39:58
  You want to tell your brother the one thing he should change about his movie?
• 40:02
  I don't know.
• 40:02
  Put me more in it.
• 40:05
  You're the guy stacking the tires in the background, right?
• 40:07
  Yeah, something.
• 40:08
  Yeah, yeah, no, or put me in every scene, kind of like a ward of Aldo, but it
• 40:12
  was fun to kind of just go through and see everything, like it being developed
• 40:15
  and the dream of Netflix and then the realization of Netflix, it was really
• 40:19
  cool to see, you know, I'm just a fan.
• 40:21
  I'm an outsider.
• 40:22
  I'm a behind the scenes guy.
• 40:23
  And I really enjoyed just.
• 40:24
  Being part of what I could be part of, especially more on the personal
• 40:27
  level with Tony and say, yeah, I don't know what he could have changed.
• 40:31
  I'll tell you what, speaking of imposter syndrome, I wish I would have had less
• 40:34
  imposter syndrome because when you have that, as you're doing something, you
• 40:37
  know, like I said, you push harder, right?
• 40:38
  Like you're not like, ah, well, can you, we film this or talking to the
• 40:41
  organizations, can we get permits to, or the, the, the rights to do this
• 40:45
  or that, or, or even honestly, uh, You know, my negotiations with our
• 40:49
  agency and Netflix and all that stuff.
• 40:51
  At the time I was like, whatever, just give me a thing and I'll sign it.
• 40:54
  Which has then bit me in the ass quite a bit down the road in no major ways.
• 40:58
  But, you know, if you want to look at it, like I wish I would have been a lot more
• 41:02
  aggressive on the business side on how to like, be able to take this even further.
• 41:06
  That begs the question.
• 41:07
  So what's next, Tony, any other projects?
• 41:10
  Is there a Gentleman Driver 2 in the works?
• 41:12
  Anything else coming up?
• 41:13
  There's no Gentleman Driver 2 because I think.
• 41:16
  Even the title itself is no longer applicable, as we talked about.
• 41:20
  And that's something we realized.
• 41:21
  I have been on and off working on what I call a sequel.
• 41:24
  I want to call a spinoff.
• 41:26
  I'm on my third or fourth try of this project, which is a docu series.
• 41:30
  Not necessarily about Gentleman Drivers anymore.
• 41:32
  It's more about the behind the scenes world of Pro Am racing, because there's a
• 41:35
  lot of cool stories in the Pro Am world, not just the drivers, but the crews.
• 41:39
  You know, the mom and pop operations.
• 41:41
  And, um, that again, that might be like an MC, a Michelin pilot, you
• 41:45
  know, there's, there might be a team.
• 41:46
  There's literally a team of a family of dentists that just do their own thing.
• 41:50
  And then they're racing against the Hyundai Herda factory team, right?
• 41:53
  Like, so there's a lot of cool stories there.
• 41:55
  You see a lot of that in SRO.
• 41:57
  Exactly.
• 41:57
  Yeah.
• 41:57
  So there's a lot of cool stuff there.
• 41:58
  So that's something that we've been trying for quite a while.
• 42:01
  And in fact, I partnered with Brad Payton, who's a big time Hollywood
• 42:04
  director, who has a huge movie about to come out on Netflix.
• 42:06
  So we've been working on that.
• 42:08
  But it's, it's tough, man.
• 42:09
  And that's a docu series.
• 42:10
  So it's 10 times the budget because it's 10 episodes instead of one,
• 42:12
  whatever, you know, and then more recently, um, I've gotten involved
• 42:15
  with a very, very cool group called the Rafa racing club who are working on
• 42:19
  some really, really cool projects and both in racing and in entertainment.
• 42:23
  So I had.
• 42:24
  You know, the experience that we all start working together and very excited
• 42:27
  about that, where we filmed pilot for something we call the shootout, which
• 42:32
  is a competition show that we had nine female drivers from around the world
• 42:36
  come into Texas and do a competition like top chef style for a whole week.
• 42:41
  And we filmed the whole thing.
• 42:42
  And then the winner now is, her name is Caroline Candace, a very talented
• 42:45
  and impressive young French driver.
• 42:47
  And she's now racing full time in Porsche Sprint Challenge sponsored by us.
• 42:52
  And then we're following that.
• 42:53
  We had another super cool story that we're following as well, which
• 42:57
  is Ian Porter, better known as Crim6 to, uh, any gamers out there.
• 43:01
  He's one of the most successful Call of Duty player.
• 43:04
  Ever turned sim racer and now turned real life racer.
• 43:08
  And, uh, we're working with him both on his racing career and following his story,
• 43:12
  also racing in sports sprint challenge.
• 43:14
  And he showed up at Sebring about a month ago for the first sprint challenge race.
• 43:18
  I've never taken a non virtual green flag in his life.
• 43:21
  And he led every session, qualified on pole position,
• 43:25
  led every lap, won both races.
• 43:27
  So that's quite an impressive story and that we're capturing as well.
• 43:30
  And then there's a bunch of other projects that I can't talk about yet, but you'll
• 43:33
  probably hear a lot from the Rapha Racing Club and Driven Studios and just happy
• 43:37
  to have a bit of involvement in it.
• 43:39
  So Santiago, do you see yourself teaming up with Tony again, or working
• 43:43
  in the shadows behind the scenes?
• 43:44
  What's your involvement in the motorsport world in the future?
• 43:47
  Well, I think as long as I've known him, I've been chasing him or been helped by
• 43:52
  him, so I tell him, let me know what's next and I'll try to show up for it.
• 43:56
  I'm sure you're going to see me at a bunch of races with him.
• 43:58
  And whatever he's doing, whether I'm his personal assistant or helping his drivers
• 44:03
  or something, you know, I've definitely fallen in love with being at the racetrack
• 44:07
  and I can't wait to get back out there.
• 44:09
  Well, and I think Santi is being humble.
• 44:10
  He's a professional mental strength coach.
• 44:13
  He's worked with many drivers in the both open wheel and sports cars.
• 44:18
  And now, you know, looking at putting together packages that help not just
• 44:22
  young, any driver, whether it's young driver, pro driver, gentleman driver,
• 44:25
  and I work on that kind of mental strength side of things, which is racing.
• 44:28
  It's about as mental as it can, as a sport that you can have, right?
• 44:31
  Uh, racing and golf, I would say are those two ones.
• 44:33
  So.
• 44:34
  Yeah, I'm sure you'll see him around.
• 44:36
  Well, guys, we've reached that part of the episode where I invite my guests to share
• 44:40
  any shout outs, promotions, or anything else that we haven't covered thus far.
• 44:44
  You can follow me on X or, uh, Instagram, uh, you can find me there at
• 44:48
  TonyColor on one more importantly, you know, follow, um, Rapha Racing Club.
• 44:52
  We're doing some really, really cool stuff there and that you'll see soon.
• 44:55
  And then Speed Group, that's a company that we've always had.
• 44:57
  If you're a young driver that needs help.
• 44:59
  Camel wave performance.
• 45:00
  That's my mental strength coaching, and I'm also partnered with speed group.
• 45:04
  So yeah, just follow me on Instagram on X.
• 45:07
  I'm just going to be around Baltimore trying to survive.
• 45:09
  The gentleman driver follows four men through both their business and racing
• 45:13
  lives, learning about what makes them unique, how they got where they are
• 45:17
  and how they deal with their two lives.
• 45:19
  The men featured in this film are at the top in both business and in the
• 45:23
  racing worlds, they are true outliers.
• 45:25
  In case you missed it the first time around, you can learn more about
• 45:28
  the documentary by visiting www.
• 45:33
  thegentlemandrivermovie.
• 45:33
  com or stream it on Peacock, Tubi, Vudu, Plex, Velo, Amazon Prime, and Apple TV.
• 45:40
  And you can also revisit the social media handles at Gentleman Driver
• 45:43
  Movie on Instagram and Facebook and at TGD underscore movie on Twitter.
• 45:49
  And X.
• 45:49
  And with that, gentlemen, I can't thank you enough for coming on BreakFix and
• 45:53
  sharing your story and this retrospective on The Gentleman Driver with all of us.
• 45:58
  And I have to say, I think looking back, we've all grown and we've all
• 46:03
  learned, not only from our movies, but as a podcaster, I always apologize
• 46:08
  for my first season of the show.
• 46:10
  So thank you for being part of the Thank you for sitting down and going
• 46:13
  back over this, having this reunion.
• 46:15
  This has been absolutely fantastic.
• 46:17
  And I can't thank you guys enough for sharing this corner of the motor
• 46:20
  sports world with new petrol heads and enthusiasts out there, but also continuing
• 46:25
  to spread motor sports enthusiasm.
• 46:27
  So keep up the good work and we'll stay in touch.
• 46:29
  No, I appreciate what you guys do.
• 46:30
  Thanks for having us on and we'll keep you posted and, uh,
• 46:33
  whatever new project comes up.
• 46:34
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• 46:36
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• 46:36
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• 46:37
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