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The Holistic Vet’s Guide to Healthy Skin with Dr Carolin Kinghorn · The Natural Dog Mum

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Hi dog mums, we're back with another episode of the Natural
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Dog Mum podcast. Today we're having a chat with a
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holistic Rex. She has her practise in Adelaide
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and actually sees clients inside Pet Delis new Wellness studio.
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Very, very exciting stuff. Her name is Doctor Carolyn
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Kinghorn and we're going to be talking today about all things
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natural pet care and doing a little bit of a deep dive on
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skin fit timing now that the canola's AT and the wind is
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delivering all the pollen and all the lovely bits and pieces
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left and right and all the grass is scratching up and we've got
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itchy, uncomfortable puppies everywhere.
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So we're going to be having a talk about how these things
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affect your puppies and what we can do about it, preferably
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while avoiding medications and chemicals and things that can
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cause long term. So stick around.
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Hello, thanks for coming. Hi, how you going?
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Good, good, good, good. Lovely to meet you finally.
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Yes, it too. Thank you.
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Would you like to start us off by giving us a little bit of a a
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background about how you got into the space?
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Yeah, sure. It was kind of a natural,
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seemingly natural progression. I started off in when I
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graduated in 99 and I went into general practise and it wasn't
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my jam. It certainly has a space, it
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just wasn't mine. And I went into emergency and
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critical care for many years, went back to general practise
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and I just got a bit disillusioned with band aid
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treatments. I want to know why.
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Why is the animal exhibiting whatever they're exhibiting?
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Not just skin issues, but whatever.
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But why? Why, why, why?
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So I decided to do my postgraduate in veterinary
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acupuncture. So I became an acupuncturist.
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I had great results. I had so many owners asking me
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to treat them, which I couldn't. So I did my human acupuncture
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bachelor degree. So I've got degrees in both and
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then I'm just transcend. Nutrition's always been super
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important with me as being a foundation.
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And I know we're talking about skin, but nutrition has a huge
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impact on dogs with skin issues. And my philosophy is always
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treat from the inside out, not from the outside in.
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So even though I practise holistic medicine, like you
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said, to avoid the holistic medicine to avoid Western
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medicine avoid or costs. But if they're in an acute
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phase, I certainly think there's some medications that can be
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warranted just to help bridge while I get them under control.
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But that's, that's my philosophy, is to treat as
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naturally as possible to build up an animal's immune system in
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order to be able to fight whatever allergens is causing
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their issue, which can be contact, can be seasonal, it can
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be dietary. Regardless, it's an immune
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response. So it's about building up their
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gut health, building up their immunity in order for them to be
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able to fight the response that they're sensitive to.
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Absolutely. So can you give us some examples
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for those who don't have a dog having these sorts of issues,
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what what sort of problems or what sort of symptoms are pet
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iron is presenting with? As far as skin goes, that
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itchiness obviously. So my first question would be
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about seasons. Are they chewing their feet?
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Have they got ear infections? Is it if it's contacts, it's
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generally the feet. So what happens with dogs?
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That is a contact allergy. They'll chew their feet and
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guess what? Then you have cross transference
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because they're chewing the feet and that bacteria goes around
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their mouth so often. Then they'll rub their face
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along the ground because then you're getting the same sort of
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issues around their mouth and then they'll itch their ears.
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So then we've got a wet pour from chewing it with all the
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bacteria and then they'll scratch their ears and guess
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where the bacteria or yeast or wherever all goes, It goes into
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their ear. So then you have cross
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transference from all those things.
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So it's about treating, finding the root cause and treating that
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while treating the branch infections everywhere else.
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If it's generalised, if they're just itchy all over, then I'm
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looking probably more environmental with inhalation
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allergens, which can be a little bit more tricky, but it's not
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impossible. So that's because you can't test
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for everything. We don't know everything that's
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in the environment, we just don't.
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So you can't test for it all. There's so many factors out
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there that we can't test for because we don't know or
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whatever. So is it?
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That's a very hard one where seasonal things comes in not
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walking between 10:00 AM and 4:00 PM, which is when the
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pollen count is high. If it is pollen.
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But there's so many factors. But I'll always go back into gut
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and the one thing with generalised itchiness when
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they're quite distressed is I'll also ask about anxiety because
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when a dog or a cat is itchy all the time, and yes, they get
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exhausted and might sleep during the night for whatever reason,
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they still need to sleep. But if they are itchy, there's a
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degree of of anxiety that goes with that.
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If you've ever had hives before being covered in mozzie bites,
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you can't tell me that it's not distressing.
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You're not just like, yeah, whatever, of course it's
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distressing. So that affects the nervous
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system as well because there's a degree of anxiety.
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So that then comes into the gut brain barrier.
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The adrenal glands get involved with cortisol.
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Cortisol that are released when it's times of distress affects
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the gut microbiome and then you get leaky gut, which tends to be
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a bit of a term used lately but it's the truth.
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The microbiome then isn't great, which is the gut bacterial
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health. So the gut needs to be
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supported. So when I treats in dogs, that's
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what I mean about starting from the inside out.
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So I go straight and do a formulated diet for each animal.
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That's an anti inflammatory diet.
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I look at each case. You would never get a generic
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diet plan from me. I look at each animal and each
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animal gets it tailored to them to decrease systematic,
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systemic, I beg your pardon, systemic inflammation, fix the
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microbiome with probiotics and supplements and decrease the
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anxiety as well. And it takes about two to four
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weeks for it to reach therapeutic effect.
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And I'm very much on the if I can heal with food and basic
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supplements, I will. I'm not, I, I don't like
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throwing everything at them because I then I don't know what
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it is that has worked. So I choose nutrition first with
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basic gut probiotics to help the gut heal and decrease
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inflammation through food and then I'll tweak it as we go
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along. So it's a four week plan with
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me, it's certainly not. So my clients will call me and
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ask questions and I'm all all ears for that because once
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they're on my journey with me, my aim is to get the dog or cat
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better. And that doesn't mean they don't
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have relapses. Like you spoke about the canola,
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at the moment moment there's going to be relapses and you
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just have to persevere and not go back to square one, but not
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be disillusioned either. It's people with hay fever.
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If they're under stress, you'll have worse years than others.
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If there's stress, they're going to have worse symptoms.
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It's the same with animals. If there's that you, they might
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have lost a dog, gained a dog, moved house and whatever.
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So their immunity's affected because they're fit under stress
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and so they might have a skin flare up.
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So it just needs to be managed. Absolutely.
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And just like us humans, dogs immune systems or or roughly 70%
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of their immune system very similar to humans actually lives
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inside the guts, something that more pet parents should probably
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be aware of that again, as you said, healing from the inside
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out is, you know, is sugar important?
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But whether it's skin or whether it's, you know, any number of
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different symptoms that they're displaying, gut health is
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absolutely number one and the first thing that needs to be
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balanced. Absolutely, absolutely.
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It doesn't matter if a client comes in with an animal or their
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pet for a sore knee, I'll always ask them what their diet is
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because everything comes back to nutrition, regardless of its
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skin, arthritis, whatever. It comes back to them getting
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good nutrition. Absolutely.
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Yeah, for. For sure, I mean the yeah, the
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the difference is not and die when you see particularly a dog
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that's that's really uncomfortable really, you know
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miserable with these sorts of issues.
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You start getting the diet right and yeah, you start not.
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You start noticing the difference pretty quickly.
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Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah, completely agree.
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You'll have dogs that you know, they they didn't even realise.
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And it's a bit, it's similar to humans after treating, they say
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with humans as well. You don't, you don't realise.
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So people with chronic pain, for instance, and let's let's think
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about that with animals, when we bring it back to skin that are
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itchy all the time, you don't really notice the behaviour
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changes until the itch is gone. So what you thought might be a
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normal pet, suddenly you fix it from the inside out and then
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suddenly they're doing zoomings all of a sudden or more
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energetic or wanting to play. But you just thought maybe that
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was just them getting older or whatever, but it's actually them
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just being exhausted from being itchy and their whole system
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trying to cope with that. Remove that and it's amazing
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what changes you can see in their entire behaviour and
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quality of life. Absolutely.
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Do you have any recent case studies that that jump to mind
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that you can walk us through a a particular dog or dogs who who
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came in with with these sorts of issues and what treatments or
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what supplements, dietary changes you recommended and what
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the result was? Yeah sure, I've got a lot but
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OK. Yep, I can pick a golden
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retriever with skin and gut issues actually so itchy and a
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bit of like irritable bowel syndrome type issues.
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So when the dog was under stress he'd get diarrhoea and only a
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very young dog, so we're talking about 3.
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There's got a lifetime ahead of him.
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The vet, he was actually referred to me by another vet
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because they wanted to put him on Western medication to handle
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his itchiness and his bowels. SO2 separate medications for
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really the same underlying problem as far as I look at it.
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But the owners were very adamant that they wanted to treat it,
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try to treat him naturally. And the vets, good on them.
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They just said, look, I distinctly don't have the
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knowledge and go and see Carolyn because she does have the
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knowledge, but I simply don't have the knowledge to recommend
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it. So I'll put them on an anti
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inflammatory diet. So I'm treating two things now.
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I'm treating the gut and I'm treating the skin.
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And this dog had been itchy, I'll call them, they were born
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itchy. So probably a congenital stress
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type situation. Probably didn't have a good
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start in life. As far as gut, once you're born,
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what you are fed straight away is so important, hugely
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important on setting up your immune system for all of your
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life. So it doesn't matter what
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species you are. And so this dog definitely did
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not have that. So we're talking about wheat
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beaks and milk type of stuff and poor quality puppy dry food.
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So I transitioned so they these owners really wanted him on a
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ROAR diet. That was what they really
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wanted. So I explained that putting him
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on a raw diet straight away, probably his gut would not cope
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with that without actually resetting his gut.
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So what I did was what I call is a gut reset.
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So I put him on a gut recovery diet which also is the same as
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skin where they fed him just bone broth and he was fine with
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chicken. If they wasn't fine with
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chicken, which isn't really anti inflammatory, turkeys better.
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But with him he was fine on just slow cooked very not so it
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doesn't destroy the nutrients in the food.
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Just sweet potato with skin on chicken.
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Apple cider vinegar to draw out the minerals from the bone.
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So there's a bit of calcium in there just for five days and and
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then I transitioned into a cooked diet, adding in egg, egg
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yolks or eggs. So eggs contain PEA.
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So PEA is a is a big thing at the moment.
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So PEA is a really strong anti inflammatory that's produced
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naturally in humans when there is inflammation.
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We produce it when there is inflammation, but it also occurs
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naturally in egg yolks, but not at a huge amount, not at a
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therapeutic amount. So my anti inflammatory diet
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included all of those things plus I put him on PA and a
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probiotic prebiotic enzyme gut health diet.
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So an anti inflammatory diet would involve fish because
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obviously omega-3, Omega sixes being an anti inflammatory, lots
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of greens, anything with inflammation, think green.
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The proportion of meat to veggies vary on the dog and and
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they're energetic output. So I don't have a strict diet.
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Again, I'll work on each dog or cat individually is exactly the
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same with humans. I'm not going to prescribe the
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same diet for a marathon runner then what I would someone who's
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extremely stagnant and difficult to walk.
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It is so there's not just a blanket amount like it has to be
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tailored. And we are probably three months
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in now with him and he is now on a raw food diet which has been
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transitioned very slowly. So he's on the recovery diet for
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five days, then on a cooked diet and then transitioned him from
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that diet to the same diet, from cooked to raw.
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And he is itchy free. He's bowels have been great
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except for one episode during a thunderstorm.
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So highly triggered. Yes.
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So that was the only diarrhoea and no itchiness.
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And he's the the owners are just thrilled at the change in him
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and how happy he is. His coat's better.
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I've now weaned him off PEA because the less supplements I
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can do the better. I don't when I start off I don't
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want them to just be on it forever.
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I want I want them to fix themselves with food.
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So he's off the PA supplements. I've put him on a so the initial
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probiotics, prebiotics and enzymes was to restore the gut
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to back to health. Now he's on a very basic one
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which I'll probably start to wean him off soon as well.
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And then I'll start introducing different proteins away from the
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anti inflammatory diet because if his system is now healthy and
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able to fight it and not under stress all the time, he should
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be fine. So it's been fantastic.
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And that's just one of many examples that I can think of the
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top of my head that just came to mind 'cause I just spoke to them
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yesterday. Amazing.
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So talk to us a little bit about the kinds of foods that you
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would be including in an anti inflammatory diet.
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You mentioned that he started on sweet potato and chicken or for
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a lot of people Turkey. Once that initial period has
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passed and the gut has been reset, what's What sort of foods
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do you include? So anti inflammatory diet is
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basically oily fish if they can tolerate it.
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So oily fish, Turkey you have to balance it up with awful so
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awful. A bit hard for some people to
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get with a variety but luckily I have the sources to get good
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anti inflammatory offal. I would stay away from chicken.
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I usually recommend duck and goat and it's only 10% of their
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diet. They're offal, so you're not
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talking about a massive portion of their food And and then.
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The supplements of PEA and are also adding eggs into their diet
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to get natural PEA again. Anything I can give naturally in
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their food the better. With anti inflammatory think
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green so kale, spinach, broccoli.
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Unless they have an adversity to high calcium foods, which brings
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it back to another thing altogether.
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But generally sink green sweet potato is good for the gut, but
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not necessarily anti inflammatory such.
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But I like to put something in there that is very beneficial
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for gut health and that is one that can be quite helpful.
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And then you've got your antioxidants.
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So berries, providing they're clean and organic and also
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financially viable. So you know, blueberries can go
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from $5.50 a pannet to $14.00 a pannet in a blink of an eye.
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So it just has to be affordable. Carrots, they're also got the
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antioxidant properties, but they have to be organic in order for
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that to be anything. Generally fruit I would
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definitely stay away from because fructose in the fruit
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can be quite inflammatory. But the one that I will allow
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when I say allow, I don't. There's no rule book, but
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they'll say is OK as a treat. Surprisingly, apples as a treat,
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not a whole apple per 5K dog, just a little bit because some
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people, some owners have a difficulty with giving treats
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because when they put on an anti inflammatory diet, there's no
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ends of pieces of toast, there's no ends of the cake.
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There's the you can't have any of that because it will trigger
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it straight away. So in order to treat the dog
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sometime you have to also consider the owners behaviour.
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So you have to placate that so they can give something at the
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end of the plate if they're not going to be able to adhere to
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it, that's not going to be bad for the dog and they probably
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don't want to sit there having their breakfast with a sardine
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on their plate. So Speaking of that, when I say
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oily fish, fresh not canned. So apples have got beta
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flavonoids in them and so they are a really strong anti
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inflammatory as well. So in some cases I'll say OK,
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well you can cut up a little bit of apple and have it in the
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fridge. And if you want to be able to
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placate that, because the, let's face it, the dog's not going to
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pass away because you don't give them a treat at the end of a
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meal, but nor are they going to hate you, by the way, they're
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still going to love you forever, even if they don't get something
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at the end of that plate. But some people have those
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heartstrings and they're not going to be able to stop it.
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So I have to treat that entire relationship so it doesn't
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affect my outcome, if that makes sense.
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So those are sort of yeah. So those are the the main anti
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inflammatory. Foods think that's actually very
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good advice, even as a general rule, even if you're not looking
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to reduce inflammation. I'm a very fussy dog mum and
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very particular about what I let my dogs have.
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They're on a raw diet. What I tend to do for treats and
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they're just as happy is either fruit, either something like
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apple or a bit of banana or some squished berries.
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My guys will even take things like tomato, avocado as is.
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The other things I will do if I want to give them a yummy treat
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is freeze dried organs, things like that which which are fairly
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easy to find. They think it's Christmas, but
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you know you're giving them something that's that's good for
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their tummy as well. Yeah, absolutely.
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Which actually just pointed out something that I did not think
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about and that is tomatoes. So a lot of people are really
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scared about tomatoes, but it's actually a really good anti
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inflammatory food and they can tolerate it well as long as
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they're not sensitive to the salicylic acid in tomatoes.
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So it's, it's become a, a thing that dogs can't eat tomatoes.
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They absolutely can have tomatoes.
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It's it's absolutely not a problem.
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Just like with people, as long as they don't have a reaction
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with the salicylic acid and it's not a big deal.
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I've been working with a pet nutrition nest who's got a PhD
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in pet nutrition and she does the foods which we've just made
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up an anti inflammatory raw diet because it's such a huge demand
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for it in South Australia particularly.
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I don't know what it's like in other states, but we're really
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dry so we have a lot of skin issues and tomatoes is most
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pattern. Victoria is the same.
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Yeah, Victoria would be the same, especially where where
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you're based. So tomatoes, it's it that's part
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of the diet. I mean, even my own dog, she has
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tomatoes because she doesn't have an adversity to silicitic
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acid. But yeah, so it's a really good
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anti inflammatory food. Just everything has to be done
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correctly. Absolutely for for my guys,
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it's, you know, as I said, it's a tree.
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I have a lot of salads with, with cherry tomatoes.
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These guys will literally take a cherry tomato out of my hand and
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they, they absolutely love it. The only things they won't eat
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unless it's wrapped around meat is we haven't got to sell greens
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and cucumber yet, which are also good for them.
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They're not, they're not a fan, but but yeah, they, they, they
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absolutely love those sorts of things.
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And avocado. I've been feeding little bits to
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them for quite a while. A lot of people have said but I
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I thought that was toxic and and they can't have that and and
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blah blah blah. Well, no, I wouldn't give them
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the stone and I wouldn't give them the skin, but the flesh is
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really good for them. Yeah, absolutely.
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Yep, absolutely. Same with mushrooms.
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People are worried about mushrooms.
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Mushrooms are fine, absolutely fine.
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But really good for the immune system, by the way.
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But yeah, there's a few. Even broccoli had a bad rap due
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to one vet that put a report on the Internet saying that their
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dog had an adverse reaction to broccoli and it was just he
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could have just eaten something else.
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It's it's just not founded at all.
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And and broccoli's fine, absolutely fine.
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Broccoli, avocado, all of those things that we just talk
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cucumbers fine as well. That's great.
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Really cooling, anti inflammatory.
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I mean, you look at the there's a reason why people put
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cucumbers on red eyes or a tea bag because it's full of anti
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inflammatories and and not anti inflammatories, but antioxidants
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like it's great. So yeah, generally if your dog's
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drawn to those things, they're telling you something they're
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saying I want to pull down. Yeah, so, so true.
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So before we finish up, if there's one thing or a couple of
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things that come into your mind when you're thinking of pet
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parrots generally, and Gee, I wish more people knew about
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this, what would it be? In relation to skin, the first
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thing that pops into my head is stop feeding a dog dry food.
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What you're doing, what you're doing in the long run is
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creating vet bills because the health will inevitably suffer.
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And also this, what I feel sorry about for owners is that they go
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to the vets and they get recommended these foods.
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But The thing is you can't. And they think it's professional
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advice and it is professional advice.
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But what they don't understand is from a veterinary point of
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view. We have been brainwashed since
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first year of Union vet school to do dry food.
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We get 6 months of nutrition and none of it is about balanced
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diet. It's just they should have this
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amount of crude protein, this amount of blah blah, which makes
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no sense. Like who sits down?
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And I mean you and I wouldn't sit down and go, well today I'm
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going to have this, which will provide this much crude protein.
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You, you simply don't do it. It's common sense to just have a
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balanced diet over, say, a week, but they just don't have the
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education. And unless you're very proactive
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about going out there and educating yourself about
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veterinary or pet nutrition, you just don't know.
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So. So I want owners to be empowered
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in asking questions and doing their own research and don't,
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don't be guilt tripped and do what you feel is right.
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And I have owners that still want to feed their dogs dry
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food. And that's, you know, I'm not
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going to, I'm not going to be on the flip side and guilt treat
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them about that either. But it just makes my job a bit
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trickier because then I have to support their gut in other ways.
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I mean they might have 3 great Danes or you know, it might
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simply not be viable for them to do a home cooked diet or
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whatever their lifestyle is, but it just means I support them in
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other ways. But a homemade diet or getting
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it is not difficult and it is not more expensive.
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Takes a little bit of more time, but at the end of the day your
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pet is going to benefit from that greatly health wise and
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your vet bills will reflect that.
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Oh. Definitely.
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I mean, if you put it into in terms of humans with human
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children, you know, you wouldn't feed your kid McDonald's seven
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days a week. You know, no.
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And that's what I've always said.
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I've said if it's so fantastic, then why aren't we eating it?
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And the thing with dry food, initially, when it was
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formulated by scientists for the war dogs, because it wasn't,
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they couldn't provide the war dogs with food.
31:07
So they had a scientist come up with dry food and when he first
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did that, he put in his report that no dog should be fed that
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for longer than three months. Obviously since that formula,
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the formulation has changed a lot, a lot.
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But at the end of the day, dry food should probably say rather
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than saying balance, which it maybe and all these fancy words
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and pretty packaging should probably say convenient for
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owners, not so great for dogs or cats.
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But I say that with a yes. I say that knowing that some
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owners are doing the absolute best they can.
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And so I don't want to make anybody that feel guilty about
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if they're forced into that situation where they can't do
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anything different. But that's kind of that's kind
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of the the base of it really. And like you said, there's no
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way we would feed our children drive through human children.
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By the way, there's no doctor that would say, well, I think
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you need to don't feed you don't feed your child like wholesome
32:32
food that's balanced. Just feed them these microwave
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meals or McDonald's. Like there's it just makes
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doesn't, it's never been never quite made sense of it even
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since first year vet school many noons ago.
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It's never made sense because I think in a sense you are sort of
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what you eat. And if you can fix your gut, you
32:59
can fix a lot of things, including skin.
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Absolutely. Well, thank you so much for
33:06
coming and chatting with us. It's not a.
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Problem. It's been, it's been lovely to
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have you. I can think of a dozen topics
33:15
off just off the top of my head that I'd love to do deep guards
33:19
on. So we'll definitely have to get
33:22
you back in the new year and chat some more.
33:24
Yeah, definitely look forward to it.
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Thanks for having me. Absolute pleasure now dog mums
33:31
and dads. Of course, if you're in the
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Adelaide region and you're looking for a holistic vet, you
33:38
need to pop down to Pet Deli. Right next door.
33:43
In the same building you'll find the Pet Deli Wellness Studio,
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which is where Doctor Carolyn's practise is based.
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So if you pop into the store or you contact them, you'll be able
33:55
to make an appointment and get all of the advice and all of the
33:59
supplements and products and and goodies that you need.
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Thank you. Excellent and thank you.
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Been lovely chatting. I could chat for hours, but I'm
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sure you've got things that you need to get to, as do I is that.
34:14
Dog painting at the. Friend, I heard.
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Yes, because they're Yeah, they yeah, it's it's nearly feeding
34:21
time at the zoo, so they start getting a little bit worried
34:24
that they might lose out a meal, which would never happen, but
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I'm I'm. Getting it's getting to that
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time here so. Yeah, hang on a minute.
34:32
I'll get you that. There we go.
34:36
Let's play. You're beautiful.
34:39
Oh, Barbie. Oh, look at that place.
34:45
I wish I could still pick mine up, but the mortise, she's 18
34:49
1/2 kilos. No, I can't think.
34:53
Tanker tanks 25. Yeah, she's a light one.
34:57
I took in 25 and 30 off with my back injury.
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Not going to happen, no. There's no way.
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Yeah, No. No.
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Alright, Sherry. Well, thank you so much.