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Female Firsts: Ynes Mexica · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome to stuff
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Speaker 1: I've never told you, production by Heart Radio, and it
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Speaker 1: is time for another edition of Female First, which means
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Speaker 1: we are once again joined by the terrific, the fabulous Eves. Welcome. Hey,
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Speaker 1: you just reminded me that we haven't seen you since
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Speaker 1: New Year's yea, and I had. I had a little
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Speaker 1: bit of a moment.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt it, but I understood though. That's why
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Speaker 2: I didn't give you any flag for it, because I
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Speaker 2: was like, wait a second. Last time we talked, you
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Speaker 2: were like, see you in the New year. Somehow we're
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Speaker 2: half the month in already.
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Speaker 1: It's true, It's true. Well, how was New Year's for you?
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Speaker 1: How has the New Year been?
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Speaker 2: The New Year has been good? Honestly, I know it's
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Speaker 2: the whole thing, you know, refresh restart. People arguing about
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Speaker 2: whether it's a real restarts the middle of winter, YadA, YadA, YadA,
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Speaker 2: so forth and so on, But it really does feel
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Speaker 2: like a refresh like kind of a restart. For me.
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Speaker 2: It's off to a good start. I am like not,
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Speaker 2: I have goals that I have not been, you know,
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Speaker 2: pressuring myself about that. I feel like I'm managing well.
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Speaker 2: I have some Sankalpla's basically commitments I've created for myself
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Speaker 2: for this year for things that I'm not doing and
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Speaker 2: anything that I'm not doing, anything that I am doing
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Speaker 2: that so far, you know, it's going okay. So yeah,
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Speaker 2: it's it's been good. The actual New Year celebration for me,
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Speaker 2: I didn't do anything, which is what I wanted to do.
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Speaker 2: So it's fine and yeah, so I think over all
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Speaker 2: I can say thumbs up to it. What about y'all
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Speaker 2: thumbs up? I feel.
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Speaker 1: Samantha asked me about the New Year, and I was like,
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Speaker 1: it's like it just passed me by.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I feel I'm stuck in some kind of temporal disintegration.
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Speaker 1: We talked about this is where people don't know what
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Speaker 1: time it is anymore, and so I just have like
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Speaker 1: random days. I know something important is happening, but mostly
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Speaker 1: it's been kind of the same, the same stuff. Really busy.
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Speaker 1: I will say, it's been a very busy start to
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Speaker 1: the New year. But we got snow that was exciting.
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Speaker 1: We talked about that in our experience with snow in
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Speaker 1: the South.
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Speaker 2: The thing is the thing about that though other people
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Speaker 2: are excited for us too. So I was talking to
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Speaker 2: someone recently who doesn't even live here. She lives on
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Speaker 2: the other side of the country, just like, oh, I
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Speaker 2: see y'all got snow in Atlanta. We haven't gotten any yet, Like, wow,
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Speaker 2: the whole nation is watching Atlanta and excite it for us.
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Speaker 2: Thank you. I appreciate it. I don't know if y'all
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Speaker 2: saw the Shenanigans on online or on the news, but
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Speaker 2: I mean, if you haven't, you will probably get a
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Speaker 2: good keick out of that.
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Speaker 3: I think my TikTok was flooded with Atlanta snow content
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Speaker 3: and most of the people going this is why Atlanta
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Speaker 3: can't have snow, and everybody doing something really ridiculous, like
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Speaker 3: a lot of people.
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Speaker 2: Like skiing down streets.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we saw lots of that, people trying to slid
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Speaker 3: and they weren't really bad at it, like so many
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Speaker 3: things people like, yeah, well I was trying to skip
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Speaker 3: that way because I was like, that is not something
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Speaker 3: we want to celebrate.
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Speaker 2: But they were having a good time.
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Speaker 3: But my favorite part is seeing people's reaction and being like,
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Speaker 3: good for you. This is nice to be excited about
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Speaker 3: something we hate, Like like people from New York and
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Speaker 3: Canada being like, nah, we don't do this, but I
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Speaker 3: love seeing that joy in you. So it felt like
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Speaker 3: a good little reprieve with all the chaos in the world,
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Speaker 3: especially in that our country, with the very very different
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Speaker 3: climate experiences happening. And I'm not laughing at that, but
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Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like it's such a vast difference that
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Speaker 3: you can't forget too much. But like it's it's been
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Speaker 3: people like saying it's been a nice for them to
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Speaker 3: who are not even in this area to experience the
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Speaker 3: snow and excitement to see people find joy in moments
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Speaker 3: like this. But yeah, but my New Year's I just
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Speaker 3: realized that we're just all in the point of being
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Speaker 3: the adults who are like, we don't do that anymore.
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Speaker 3: Maybe it was COVID, maybe it is age. I don't know,
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Speaker 3: but going out seems ridiculous that I don't know anybody
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Speaker 3: who actually went out outside of like a small get
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Speaker 3: together with their own little cub I haven't seen many
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Speaker 3: of that, even to the point that I wasn't even
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Speaker 3: advertised about events, and before I would get advertisements like
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Speaker 3: this event is happening, this place is happening.
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Speaker 2: They're doing this.
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Speaker 3: I didn't get any of that. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: No, yeah, there's usually like some sort of some sort
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Speaker 2: of some sort of get together happening on some rooftop, right,
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Speaker 2: some sort of party reserved for this.
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Speaker 3: You want you're not gonna want to miss the countdown
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Speaker 3: for the see any.
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Speaker 2: We're tired, We're tired. We're all tired, apparently.
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Speaker 3: But it was nice to not do things. And I
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Speaker 3: went to bed immediately at twelve fifteen.
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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure.
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Speaker 1: Oh well, I have to say.
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Speaker 2: I was.
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Speaker 1: I'm very, very excited to talk about the person we're
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Speaker 1: talking about today, because just by the like headlines I
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Speaker 1: saw alone, I was like, oh my gosh. But before
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Speaker 1: we get into that, I want to ask, I know
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Speaker 1: Samantha's thoughts about this, how are you with plants?
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Speaker 2: So as a caretaker? Is that what you're asking? Horrible
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Speaker 2: horrible not plant mom, whatever, this whole millennial plant parent
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Speaker 2: thing is. I'm not part of the crew. I kill them,
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Speaker 2: and I've had I have family members who are really
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Speaker 2: sobly good at it, but plants. I didn't grow up
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Speaker 2: around plants either, so unfortunately house plants or you know,
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Speaker 2: I didn't do any farming tending to gardens anything like that.
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Speaker 2: My mom did a little bit of that, but not
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Speaker 2: in a really major way, so I didn't have that
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Speaker 2: as part of my natural inclination. And I've tried to
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Speaker 2: be a houseplant parent, and I've had people give me
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Speaker 2: plants and I do care for them, like I have
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Speaker 2: feelings for them, but those feelings just don't actually pan
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Speaker 2: out to actually equally care. So, you know, just I
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Speaker 2: have no plants now, so that now that i've you know,
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Speaker 2: I've i've lived on the road, I've gotten rid of
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Speaker 2: a lot of stuff recently. I don't really have any
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Speaker 2: of my own plants right now. So I'm bad with plants.
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Speaker 2: Love to look at them, love to be in them,
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Speaker 2: love to frolic in them, love to smell them, all
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Speaker 2: of that. I admire them from a distance. You have
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Speaker 2: feelings for them. I really like that term. That's that's good.
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Speaker 2: That's good. I do because you know, they're dramatic. And
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Speaker 2: so when I would have when I had them, and
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Speaker 2: they would just be passing out every night, and I'm like, Okay,
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Speaker 2: I get that I'm not a good plant parent, but
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Speaker 2: do you can you give me a little credit just
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Speaker 2: a little bit over?
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Speaker 3: Do you do we really have to be that.
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Speaker 2: I'm melodramatic here. I get it.
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Speaker 3: You have had too much water and I've done too much.
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Speaker 2: I get it right, Like I can't. I've already I've
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Speaker 2: already chosen the hardiest plants. I can't, like, I don't
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Speaker 2: need to water you that much of your so acting
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Speaker 2: like this so because I'm not. You know, I can't
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Speaker 2: do the delicate plants if it has a colorful flower
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Speaker 2: on it, and count me over count.
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Speaker 3: Well, then you find out that the colorful flowers is
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Speaker 3: the death blue. Oh that's so good, you pretty, but
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Speaker 3: that's not supposed to happen. Yeahause I have learned in
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Speaker 3: the midst of like people trying to get me to
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Speaker 3: be a plant person, and I'm like, why are you
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Speaker 3: setting me up till and then they set it up
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Speaker 3: with these are hard to kill, and then I'm like,
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Speaker 3: watch me.
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Speaker 2: It's like it's really nice either. It's really nice to
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Speaker 2: be around people who do know a lot about plants,
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Speaker 2: like the intimate knowledge that they have of just little
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Speaker 2: tricks that they have. I was around somebody who gardens recently,
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Speaker 2: and he was just telling me to like, put a
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Speaker 2: banana peel in your plant water, and I was like,
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Speaker 2: I have no idea. That's the easy. That's something easy
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Speaker 2: that I can understand. Don't ask me about the chemistry
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Speaker 2: because I haven't gotten to that point yet. But you know,
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Speaker 2: I appreciate that that the level of knowledge that people
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Speaker 2: people have about plants, and I am interested in herbalism
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Speaker 2: as well, so I you know, they're they're intersecting interests
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Speaker 2: that I have that I just haven't been able to
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Speaker 2: delve into yet.
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Speaker 1: Well maybe in the new year.
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Speaker 2: You knew you Amy, don't try to add to anything.
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Speaker 2: I've got a lot of stuff going on, and you
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Speaker 2: know me, if I do, you might tempt me. I
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Speaker 2: might be like, maybe I do need to learn how
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Speaker 2: to do this thing.
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Speaker 1: I did not didn't mean to set some kind of trap.
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Speaker 2: I really did. Well.
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Speaker 1: I am so so excited to talk about the story
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Speaker 1: of the person that you brought today. Eves.
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Speaker 2: Who are we talking about today? We're talking about es Mahea.
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Speaker 2: She was the first so we're talking about plants because
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Speaker 2: she was the first Mexican American woman botanist and she
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Speaker 2: was the first botanist to collect plants and was now
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Speaker 2: Denali National Park. So she know far what I'm saying
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Speaker 2: about myself and how I am with plants. That was
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Speaker 2: not her So she wasn't necessarily a gardener, but she
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Speaker 2: did know a lot about plants. She collected a lot
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Speaker 2: of plants, She had her hands on a lot of plants.
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Speaker 2: She studied a lot of plants. So I, too, Annie
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Speaker 2: was excited. I figured y'all might be excited as well
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Speaker 2: because of the all the science that is involved in
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Speaker 2: her particular chosen field and how cool she was too,
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Speaker 2: Like this intersection of person that she is is just
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Speaker 2: my kind of person, because I love outdoor stuff. I
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Speaker 2: love stuff that's related to nature. But it wasn't just that,
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Speaker 2: Like Inas Mahia actually went on these fantastic travels where
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Speaker 2: she was like very sufficient in the way that she
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Speaker 2: was interacting with the world. She was spending time outside
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Speaker 2: and had lots of like outdoor skill that I appreciated
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Speaker 2: with help from other people around her, of course, which
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Speaker 2: is something we'll talk about when we get there. But yeah,
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Speaker 2: I'm excited too. I'm excited to talk about her.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And she's also such a great story of someone
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Speaker 1: like kind of later in life being like, you know what,
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Speaker 1: I want to do this and I love that. So
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Speaker 1: shall we get into the history.
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Speaker 2: Yes. So her name was yez Enriquetta Julieta Mehia, and
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Speaker 2: she was born on May twenty fourth, eighteen seventy, in Washington, DC.
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Speaker 2: So she came from a kind of well off background.
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Speaker 2: Her father was General Enrique A. Mehia, who was a
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Speaker 2: Mexican diplomat under President Benito Juarez, and her mother was
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Speaker 2: Sarah Wilmer Mehia, and they had some family history in
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Speaker 2: the Roman Catholic community in Baltimore, and she also had
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Speaker 2: other siblings from a previous marriage, but they weren't in Washington,
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Speaker 2: DC that long. When Inez was around one, they moved
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Speaker 2: to Mahea, Texas, and that town was based on the
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Speaker 2: family name. It was on land that they had that
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Speaker 2: the family gave to Texas. And she mostly kept to
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Speaker 2: herself as a child. So I don't think there's not
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Speaker 2: a ton about her that she wrote as a child,
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Speaker 2: or that her family wrote about her as a child,
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Speaker 2: at least from my understanding. But from what I've seen,
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Speaker 2: she is depicted as a pretty shy child. Like she was.
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Speaker 2: She kept to herself. She didn't go out and hang
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Speaker 2: out with people a lot. She was pretty isolated and
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Speaker 2: just introverted, seemingly, but she was close to her older sister,
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Speaker 2: adel and they did do some gatherings and had outings
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Speaker 2: together when they were young, and Ines was interested in
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Speaker 2: reading and spending time outside. She started school, but in
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Speaker 2: eighteen seventy nine her parents separated and Enrique went to
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Speaker 2: Mexico and Inez, her mother, and her sister went to Philly.
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Speaker 2: And Inez went to a private school and boarding schools
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Speaker 2: in Philly and in Maryland and in Toronto. So she
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Speaker 2: moved a lot, and she wrote letters back to her dad,
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Speaker 2: who was in Mexico. But when she finished school in
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Speaker 2: the late eighteen eighties, she went to Mexico City to
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Speaker 2: live with her dad, and she ended up assisting on
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Speaker 2: the ranch that her father owned, and in the process
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Speaker 2: found out that she had other siblings from her father's side,
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Speaker 2: Although I don't think they were she was super close
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Speaker 2: with the siblings on that side, and her dad did
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Speaker 2: end up dying sometime around eighteen ninety six, I believe,
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Speaker 2: and at that point Ines took over the ranching business.
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Speaker 2: So just a reminder, she was born in eighteen seventy,
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Speaker 2: so at this point this is already about twenty six
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Speaker 2: or so years later. So this is around the age
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Speaker 2: she is. In eighteen ninety eight, she married a man
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Speaker 2: named Herman Lawa and they lived on a ranch that
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Speaker 2: she inherited there near Mexico City. He died in nineteen
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Speaker 2: oh four. They had been married for about seven years,
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Speaker 2: and she stayed on the ranch. She ran the business. Okay,
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Speaker 2: so we're in this first part of her life. You know,
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Speaker 2: she's she's lived a lot of life already and running
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Speaker 2: this ranching business. So in nineteen oh eight, Inez married
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Speaker 2: Augustine Deregatas, but it didn't seem to be that. It
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Speaker 2: wasn't that happy of a marriage, Like the marriage wasn't
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Speaker 2: doing super well, and she I don't really fully know
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Speaker 2: what happened. What I've seen it explained as is a
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Speaker 2: mental quote unquote breakdown. I don't know what that means.
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Speaker 2: I mean, people have used that terminology, which is pretty
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Speaker 2: problematic terminology in a lot of instances. So I wish
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Speaker 2: I knew further details of what a quote unquote mental
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Speaker 2: breakdown meant for Inez. At the time, she was hurting
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Speaker 2: in some way. It's all. It's all that I know,
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Speaker 2: and her mental capacity was hurt by whatever situation she
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Speaker 2: was going through. However, she was processing things and that
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Speaker 2: affected where she wanted to be and how she wanted
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Speaker 2: to be in her marriage. And so a doctor told
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Speaker 2: her to leave Mexico because it would help her mental health,
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Speaker 2: and she ended up going to a psychiatrist named doctor
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Speaker 2: Philip King Brown in California, and this is when psychiatry
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Speaker 2: was pretty new wish of a field. But she sought
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Speaker 2: help from this doctor in California and she and her husband.
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Speaker 2: They lived for a little while in a hotel, then
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Speaker 2: in an apartment, but her husband went back to Mexico
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Speaker 2: seemingly at her encouragement. She wanted him to manage the ranch,
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Speaker 2: even though he didn't really want to be there, but
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Speaker 2: she wanted him to be there, and you know, she
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Speaker 2: was still dealing with her mental illness there. So she
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Speaker 2: wrote to doctor Brown a lot, but he didn't really
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Speaker 2: want her to become attached to seeing him as a patient.
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Speaker 2: So they were working together quite a bit, and he
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Speaker 2: basically said, look, you need to go take some classes.
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Speaker 2: I think it'll help you. And that's how she became
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Speaker 2: interested in painting and photography, and she wrote stories and
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Speaker 2: articles as well. So I feel like this is really
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Speaker 2: nice to see because she was the help that she
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Speaker 2: was getting worked, which isn't well, I can't say it
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Speaker 2: worked per se. What I can say is that it
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Speaker 2: seemingly helped her, like process whatever she was going through,
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Speaker 2: and his instruction and his guidance seemed to have helped her,
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Speaker 2: which is nice to see that, Like she went to
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Speaker 2: this doctor to get help and he actually helped her.
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Speaker 2: And also part of that help was her being able
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Speaker 2: to spend time in a hobby that was directly related
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Speaker 2: to her healing. Like so it wasn't like, okay, like
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Speaker 2: go do this thing because there's some sort of ulterior
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Speaker 2: motive for it, or it's necessarily because you need to
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Speaker 2: be learning because you need some sort of skill, or
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Speaker 2: women should be doing this. It wasn't about that. It
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Speaker 2: was like, okay, go do this thing. I'm encouraging you
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Speaker 2: to go do this thing for the sake of your healing.
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Speaker 2: And through that healing process is how she found the
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Speaker 2: thing that she wanted to be dedicated to that was
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Speaker 2: part of her purpose for the rest of her life,
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Speaker 2: which I think it's pretty it's really nice. So like
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Speaker 2: kind of a very sweet point I feel like in
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Speaker 2: a life story, because so many times things that can
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Speaker 2: inspire people. These people who have all these pioneering achievements
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Speaker 2: might not necessarily be the brightest thing. It might be
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Speaker 2: some sort of catastrophe that happened. It might be born
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Speaker 2: and bred out of difficulty, and in this case it is.
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Speaker 2: But it's nice to see that this kind of developed.
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Speaker 2: Her interest in her profession, kind of developed naturally around
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Speaker 2: some of the things she was doing for leisure for
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Speaker 2: her own healing. And I say that as a person
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Speaker 2: who you know is very invested in healing and yoga
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Speaker 2: and that. So it just feels kind of to me
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Speaker 2: like a testimony that when you take the time to
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Speaker 2: pause and you're taking the time to do this healing,
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Speaker 2: you're not forcing things to happen. Then in some instances,
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Speaker 2: and in this case, you know, she was led into
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Speaker 2: a direction that felt really fulfilling to her. So this
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Speaker 2: at this point in nineteen seventeen is when she joined
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Speaker 2: the Sierra Club and she went to Yosemite National Park
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Speaker 2: and other places in the Sierra Nevada. She was able
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Speaker 2: to be introduced to the outdoor world and the natural
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Speaker 2: world through her participation with the Sierra Club. She didn't
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Speaker 2: want to go back to Mexico, so she was really
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Speaker 2: loving it. She was like, Okay, I'll be healed. I'm
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Speaker 2: exploring nature, I'm meeting people. I'm a brand new woman.
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Speaker 2: And she didn't want to go back to Mexico, and
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Speaker 2: her husband was bankrupting the ranch in the meantime, so
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Speaker 2: they separated and she sold the ranch and she continued
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Speaker 2: to hike and camp with the Sierra Club and experts
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Speaker 2: would come to talk about wildlife and history, and her
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Speaker 2: interest in nature was then from henceforth, you know, ignited.
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Speaker 2: She really enjoyed being in the redwoods in northern California,
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Speaker 2: and just a moment to ignore knowledge right now what
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Speaker 2: we're going through, because I know we're talking about this
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Speaker 2: in January twenty twenty five. The wildfires have been happening,
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Speaker 2: are still happening in California. This history that ines Mehia
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Speaker 2: is related to is more so focused in northern California.
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Speaker 2: But I mean, I figure this is a very complex topic.
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Speaker 2: There has been natural destruction in California for a long
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Speaker 2: time in many different ways. There have been many people
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Speaker 2: Inez and other people included, dedicated to the conservation and
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Speaker 2: preservation history of nature in California. That was another reason
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Speaker 2: that I picked Yez before the wildfires started happening, But
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Speaker 2: it feels pretty precient to be able to talk about nature,
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Speaker 2: appreciation of nature, but also the work that goes into
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Speaker 2: learning about nature so we can appreciate it better and
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Speaker 2: so that it continues to exist in the world. So
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Speaker 2: I don't want to go, you know, go on, or
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Speaker 2: I would be remissed to not mention that the wildfires
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Speaker 2: in California are happening, and if people have resources that
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Speaker 2: they can dedicate in any way to be able to
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Speaker 2: help those efforts, then that would be a great thing
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Speaker 2: to do. But back to you as a story, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: So she hikes and she camps with the Sierra Club,
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Speaker 2: in love with it and enjoying being outside in nature
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Speaker 2: and learning more about it. She joined the Save of
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Speaker 2: the red Woods League, and since the trees were threatened,
20:29
Speaker 2: you know, by the timber industry and earthquakes at the time,
20:33
Speaker 2: she was invested in continuing to protect and uplift this
20:38
Speaker 2: nature that she was being really inspired by. In nineteen
20:41
Speaker 2: twenty one, she enrolled at the University of California, Berkeley
20:44
Speaker 2: as a quote unquote special student, which feels kind of
20:48
Speaker 2: ageous to me. I think that was an actual terminology
20:52
Speaker 2: that was used at the time for people I guess
20:55
Speaker 2: who weren't enrolled in a normal course. And this was
20:57
Speaker 2: nineteen twenty, so in general, there weren't a lot a
21:00
Speaker 2: lot of women at this point. She was fifty or
21:04
Speaker 2: so fifty one. She was born in eighteen seventy, so
21:07
Speaker 2: she was around fifty one when she enrolled at the
21:10
Speaker 2: University of California, Berkeley, and in the course of her study,
21:15
Speaker 2: she was introduced to botanical collecting and she started taking
21:21
Speaker 2: more courses in botany. So she didn't go in saying
21:27
Speaker 2: I'm going to study botany. She found that through her
21:29
Speaker 2: course study, which she started in natural history. Yeah, so
21:34
Speaker 2: I really appreciate this as well. In her story of
21:38
Speaker 2: how she was like, I want to study I'm interested
21:41
Speaker 2: in this, So I'm going to do something that not
21:44
Speaker 2: a lot of other women my age are doing right now.
21:47
Speaker 2: But it's not necessarily driven by an impetus of other
21:52
Speaker 2: people aren't doing. It's not I'm going to do it.
21:54
Speaker 2: I'm going to be that person. It was just I'm
21:56
Speaker 2: interested in natural history. It's been in liven by my
22:01
Speaker 2: experiences that I'm having here in California. So I'm going
22:03
Speaker 2: to go learn about it from other people. So she
22:07
Speaker 2: learns about it from other people, and she meets other people.
22:10
Speaker 2: She went to the California Academy of Sciences in San Francisco,
22:15
Speaker 2: and she met the botanist Alice Eastwood, and Alice became
22:18
Speaker 2: kind of a mentor Tenez. Inez went with Alice on
22:22
Speaker 2: some of her collecting trips, and Inez also met Roxanna
22:26
Speaker 2: Stenchville Ferris, who was going to Sinaloa, Mexico with her
22:30
Speaker 2: husband to collect specimens, and Roxanna invited Enez on the trip. Now,
22:37
Speaker 2: the trip didn't work out unfortunately, Apparently Anez didn't like
22:43
Speaker 2: working with the Ferrises, and she left their expedition. Now
22:49
Speaker 2: she decided to go off on her own. This part
22:54
Speaker 2: of her story seems like kind of another inciting incident
22:58
Speaker 2: because as we go forward in her story, we'll see
23:03
Speaker 2: that she really really does like to walk in her
23:06
Speaker 2: own footsteps, like she likes to be off on her
23:09
Speaker 2: own charge. She doesn't seem to be that receptive to
23:15
Speaker 2: having to deal with other people's ways of working. She's like,
23:19
Speaker 2: I gotta do it my way, and that's the way
23:22
Speaker 2: it's going to be. And it seemed like maybe because
23:26
Speaker 2: she had just she was just getting into botany. She
23:29
Speaker 2: was just starting to go on collecting trips. Is the
23:33
Speaker 2: first time she realized that early on. So she started
23:40
Speaker 2: traveling in the area around Mazitline on her own and collecting,
23:45
Speaker 2: but she needed a guide, and a local helped her out.
23:49
Speaker 2: And this is the point where I want to mention
23:56
Speaker 2: go back to the idea that she went off on
23:58
Speaker 2: her own, because I've seen it a lot where they
24:02
Speaker 2: talk about her having solo collecting trips, Like if anybody
24:06
Speaker 2: is listening to this and they want to go do
24:08
Speaker 2: more research on Ninez Mahia. A lot of times I
24:12
Speaker 2: see them say solo collecting trip, like her first solo
24:15
Speaker 2: collecting trips. And one thing that kind of tripped me
24:17
Speaker 2: up about that is that she was always working with guides.
24:20
Speaker 2: So I get that she's on her own. It's not
24:22
Speaker 2: necessarily something that is a part of a larger expedition.
24:27
Speaker 2: Necessarily sometimes I mean it is under the auspices or
24:33
Speaker 2: the promise of compensation for her specimens from institutions. But
24:39
Speaker 2: like there's this, I feel like it is a misnomer
24:43
Speaker 2: to call them solo trips, is all I want to say. So, yes,
24:48
Speaker 2: she's totally adventurous. Yes, she's totally capable. Yes, she seemed
24:52
Speaker 2: to be very independent of a person in the way
24:54
Speaker 2: that she thought, in the way that she chose to
24:56
Speaker 2: go out to places like she was very pioneering and
24:58
Speaker 2: what she chose to go out after. However, I wouldn't
25:02
Speaker 2: call them solo because everywhere she went she was not
25:06
Speaker 2: familiar with those areas. It was her first time in
25:08
Speaker 2: those areas, and she needed a local to help her out.
25:11
Speaker 2: So these were definitely group efforts. So though in her
25:16
Speaker 2: collecting efforts, she ended up falling over a cliff, y'all.
25:20
Speaker 2: And I'm sorry it is not funny. It's not funny,
25:24
Speaker 2: but I mean, just imagine the dedication of somebody's you know,
25:28
Speaker 2: there's a cliff there and I really have to I
25:30
Speaker 2: have to get to this specimen. I'm really invested in
25:33
Speaker 2: collecting it, and I fall over. It's like a movie moment.
25:36
Speaker 2: It's a total movie moment. And falling over a cliff
25:39
Speaker 2: for you to because you're going to your highest heights
25:42
Speaker 2: to be able to do what you're doing. She ended
25:45
Speaker 2: up breaking some ribs and injuring her hand, and fortunately
25:50
Speaker 2: she wasn't too badly. You know this didn't stop her
25:53
Speaker 2: from continuing in her collecting journey. This is at the
25:55
Speaker 2: end of her story, y'all, like many more years, okay, right.
26:00
Speaker 3: He disclaimer, Sorry, no, this is.
26:04
Speaker 2: Not the literal finger. So she had to go back
26:11
Speaker 2: to California. But she had collected about five hundred species,
26:14
Speaker 2: and one of them that she collected was the first
26:17
Speaker 2: to be named after her, and Mimosa mehie. Somebody's probably
26:24
Speaker 2: going to correct me. That knows a lot more about
26:26
Speaker 2: Latin terminology that I than I do. But the she
26:32
Speaker 2: she would go on to have many other secimens named
26:36
Speaker 2: after her. But anyway, the collecting process itself, just a
26:39
Speaker 2: little bit about what she actually had to go through
26:41
Speaker 2: could be difficult. So she had to hike, She had
26:44
Speaker 2: to travel in canoes and boats. She had to ride
26:46
Speaker 2: horses because the places she was going was remote. Obviously
26:50
Speaker 2: she needed some sort of transportation to get from one
26:53
Speaker 2: place to another. And it was also expensive because she
26:57
Speaker 2: had to have equipment on her and she had to
26:59
Speaker 2: carry that around with her. She had to carry a
27:01
Speaker 2: dryer and a plant press for her specimens, and she
27:05
Speaker 2: had to bring a camera, a compass, and other items
27:08
Speaker 2: for general survival. So I am thinking, I mean I've backpacked,
27:13
Speaker 2: you know, I've camped to understand what it's like to
27:15
Speaker 2: carry things on your back and be like going for
27:19
Speaker 2: miles and then having to sleep wherever you are. But
27:23
Speaker 2: imagine just having your gear for survival, but then on
27:26
Speaker 2: top of that, you also have to carry your equipment
27:30
Speaker 2: that you have to have for your job, which is
27:31
Speaker 2: also heavy. So she had packed animals and a lot
27:35
Speaker 2: of times she had you know, her guides with her
27:37
Speaker 2: as well. But that doesn't make it less of a
27:40
Speaker 2: difficult and arduous process because she's doing something that's physically
27:44
Speaker 2: intense in her hiking, and she's she's got a goal
27:49
Speaker 2: in collecting all these specimens which she has to dry
27:51
Speaker 2: and take back with her.
27:53
Speaker 1: So she.
27:57
Speaker 2: Had to go through that in her collecting process. And
28:01
Speaker 2: when she went out on her first trip that kind
28:04
Speaker 2: of didn't start. As part of that exhibition, that expedition
28:07
Speaker 2: that we just talked about, Inez got several herbariums in
28:11
Speaker 2: natural history institutes to pay or agree to pay her
28:15
Speaker 2: twenty cents per specimen, and in August nineteen twenty six
28:20
Speaker 2: she left San Francisco and she soon arrived and Sinaloa.
28:23
Speaker 2: She hired a guy named Mauro, and they packed the
28:28
Speaker 2: plants and had to press them to dry them. And
28:33
Speaker 2: there are some notes that she took about her travels,
28:37
Speaker 2: documenting the specimens that she was collecting and the nature
28:44
Speaker 2: that she was seeing along the way. And she said,
28:46
Speaker 2: the wild fig tree Ficus mexicanomic here grows to huge
28:50
Speaker 2: proportions as the green fruit hung high. Maro defintely lassoed
28:55
Speaker 2: some fruiting branches. For me, appreciate that instance of her
29:02
Speaker 2: talking about the guide and clearly how he's used to
29:05
Speaker 2: the terrain because it's his area, and he knows how
29:10
Speaker 2: to interact with the nature. He knows how to get
29:14
Speaker 2: the fruit from it. However, she documented her own prejudices
29:20
Speaker 2: toward indigenous people in more than one instance. But in
29:25
Speaker 2: one instance, for example, she wrote about how she didn't
29:28
Speaker 2: want to guard because it was recommended that she had
29:31
Speaker 2: a guard for where she was going. She said, I
29:34
Speaker 2: would feel as though I were underguard. But I am
29:37
Speaker 2: terribly intrigued with the idea of the Indians and the mountains.
29:42
Speaker 2: They are not savage Indians like the Yaquis, just shy
29:46
Speaker 2: and afraid of strangers. So this was a sentiment that
29:51
Speaker 2: came up with her more than once about her thinking
29:54
Speaker 2: about Native Americans and indigenous people in a way as
29:58
Speaker 2: if there were savages, expecting them to be savages, and
30:02
Speaker 2: when they weren't that was a surprise for her. That
30:05
Speaker 2: seemed like that was an abnormality. So she definitely exhibited
30:09
Speaker 2: her prejudices in her writing as well. But she continued
30:14
Speaker 2: to go on more collecting trips. She hired locals to
30:17
Speaker 2: help her. She talked about more of her guides in Mexico.
30:23
Speaker 2: She talked about how, in one instance, it was one
30:26
Speaker 2: of her guys named Jose, how he could get along
30:28
Speaker 2: in the dark much better that she could. She was like,
30:30
Speaker 2: I could keep up with him in the daytime, but
30:33
Speaker 2: like you know, at a certain point in the dark,
30:36
Speaker 2: he would get really ahead of me and he would
30:39
Speaker 2: have to wait a long time on her. So she
30:41
Speaker 2: documented her difficulties and like the physical strenuousness of what
30:45
Speaker 2: she was doing. She ended up going to Alaska in
30:50
Speaker 2: nineteen twenty eight when the British Museum of Natural History
30:52
Speaker 2: funded a trip for her to go there. She went
30:55
Speaker 2: with a young botanist named Francis Payne. But another situation
30:58
Speaker 2: in which she was like, I think I needed this
31:01
Speaker 2: on my own because she's slow me down. So she
31:06
Speaker 2: kind of left France's pain behind, and she was venturing
31:09
Speaker 2: into places where botanical collection hadn't yet occurred in her
31:16
Speaker 2: in this way of collecting, Like, who's to say it.
31:18
Speaker 2: There were indigenous people already collecting plants there, but in
31:22
Speaker 2: this way of documenting specimens, it hadn't occurred. And most
31:28
Speaker 2: of the time it was just her and her pack
31:30
Speaker 2: dogs and rain, cold temperatures, wind, and fragile plants really
31:35
Speaker 2: made the collection process that was already a hard thing
31:38
Speaker 2: even harder, and an Alaskan had to rescue her from
31:41
Speaker 2: her campsite when she got lost because of heavy snow
31:44
Speaker 2: on September twelfth. I saw a quote of hers later
31:48
Speaker 2: on where she says, I never got lost. I'm not
31:51
Speaker 2: sure if I included that in this conversation, but I
31:54
Speaker 2: thought back about this situation. I'm like, I feel like
31:56
Speaker 2: this counts as you getting lost. This was, but it
32:03
Speaker 2: was because that specific quote that I saw was it
32:05
Speaker 2: seemed to be a response to people saying, while you're
32:07
Speaker 2: doing all this on your own as a woman, this
32:09
Speaker 2: is the thing that other women don't do, And she's like,
32:12
Speaker 2: you know, I never got lost. I never did this.
32:13
Speaker 2: It wasn't that difficult for me. But she clearly had challenges.
32:17
Speaker 2: You know, this was difficult to range. She was just
32:19
Speaker 2: up to the challenge. It was. It was challenges that
32:24
Speaker 2: she was willing to go go through. But she met
32:29
Speaker 2: Nina Floyd Bracelin in nineteen twenty seven at the University
32:33
Speaker 2: of California and they started working together. And their relationship
32:37
Speaker 2: was very key in Ineza's legacy because Inez would collect
32:41
Speaker 2: and Nina was sort in process. So Inez wasn't really
32:44
Speaker 2: into the sort and in processing situation. She would go
32:47
Speaker 2: into the field. She was a field worker. She would
32:49
Speaker 2: go in and she would collect the plants, but she
32:51
Speaker 2: didn't do the sorting and the processing afterwards. So it
32:54
Speaker 2: was a pretty handy relationship. And Nina would also handle
32:59
Speaker 2: paperwork in raising money. So the adventures are numerous. Inez
33:06
Speaker 2: spent time living collecting in Brazil. She traveled up the Amazon,
33:11
Speaker 2: she went to Peru, she hired porters and canoe people,
33:15
Speaker 2: guides hunters, She met native folks and she brought them
33:19
Speaker 2: small gifts along the way, like fish hooks, and when
33:22
Speaker 2: she was traveling up the Amazon, she has you can
33:24
Speaker 2: read about how she was on the raft and they
33:27
Speaker 2: went through like whirlpools and they got shot out one way,
33:30
Speaker 2: and it was hard for them to get to the
33:32
Speaker 2: banks of the Amazon because rafts aren't very navigable, like
33:35
Speaker 2: they're not that you can't really handle them that well.
33:38
Speaker 2: I mean, don't ask me about it. I've been in
33:40
Speaker 2: a kayak and I've had I'm not let's just put
33:44
Speaker 2: it this way. I'm not the biggest fan of kayaking,
33:47
Speaker 2: and I can't imagine what it would be like being
33:50
Speaker 2: on a raft in these conditions. But she was guided
33:52
Speaker 2: by capable hands. Even in capable hands, nature can be unpredictable.
33:56
Speaker 2: So Inez ended up going all over South America over
33:59
Speaker 2: the rest of her life, you know, Ecuador, Argentina, Bolivia, Chile,
34:05
Speaker 2: collecting plants dedicated to her mission, and she did gain
34:09
Speaker 2: notoriety for her work. She was invited to speak about it.
34:13
Speaker 2: She kept writing to that doctor we talked about earlier
34:15
Speaker 2: in the episode who helped her out, who his name was,
34:20
Speaker 2: doctor Philip King Brown. She kept writing to him, and
34:23
Speaker 2: she told a news reporter in nineteen thirty seven, this
34:29
Speaker 2: is a quote, so I do have it. So the
34:32
Speaker 2: quote was, I don't think there's any place in the
34:34
Speaker 2: world where a woman can't venture alone. In all my travels,
34:38
Speaker 2: I've never been attacked by a wild animal. Lost my
34:41
Speaker 2: way are called a disease. Okay, so I guess technically,
34:47
Speaker 2: ain't you know how to break bad? I feel like
34:50
Speaker 2: it's just a little shaky on the lost thing. So
34:53
Speaker 2: maybe she didn't make it to her campsite, but she
34:56
Speaker 2: had to be pulled out.
34:57
Speaker 3: She made it out. Maybe that's what she meant.
35:00
Speaker 2: Maybe that's true. Yeah, so she said though that now
35:07
Speaker 2: that after now that I'm back, after more than two
35:09
Speaker 2: years in the whiles of South America, I find myself
35:12
Speaker 2: longing for a nice, quiet jungle again, she said at
35:14
Speaker 2: one point. And I just wanted to include that quote.
35:16
Speaker 2: Because she liked the experience of being in the wilderness.
35:23
Speaker 2: It wasn't It was clear that she was drawn to
35:26
Speaker 2: it because she spent she spent years on collecting expeditions,
35:30
Speaker 2: and she pressed through difficult situations, climbed rock walls, you know,
35:38
Speaker 2: went through she had her guys cut through, like used
35:41
Speaker 2: a machete to cut through bramble for her, got back
35:45
Speaker 2: later than anticipated to sites that they needed to get through.
35:48
Speaker 2: You know, she went through There were a lot of
35:52
Speaker 2: physical challenges along the way, and that was what filled
35:57
Speaker 2: her up. That was what filled her cup. She really
35:59
Speaker 2: loved being there. So it's nice to see her reflect
36:05
Speaker 2: on just that, the good time that she had when
36:12
Speaker 2: she was outdoors. You know, it was about the collecting,
36:15
Speaker 2: of course, it was about the science, but she was
36:18
Speaker 2: actually enjoying what she was doing, and she did do
36:22
Speaker 2: more adventuring and collecting in Mexico once again. Later in
36:30
Speaker 2: her life, she injured herself in a fall. I think
36:32
Speaker 2: she slipped when she was going across a river, a
36:34
Speaker 2: crossing rocks something like that. She did end up recovering
36:38
Speaker 2: enough to keep exploring, but she was feeling more periods
36:41
Speaker 2: of sickness and weakness and she had to head back
36:44
Speaker 2: to the United States. In May of nineteen thirty eight,
36:48
Speaker 2: she made it back to San Francisco, but she was
36:52
Speaker 2: diagnosed with lung cancer. It seemed to have come on
36:54
Speaker 2: pretty quickly, like she realized she was sick, went back quickly,
36:58
Speaker 2: was diagnosed quickly, and she died on July twelfth, nineteen
37:02
Speaker 2: thirty eight. In her well, she gave money to the
37:16
Speaker 2: California Academy of Sciences, were her longtime you know, collaborator
37:21
Speaker 2: Nina Bracelin, who was also called Bracy, so she could
37:25
Speaker 2: keep working at the California Academy of Sciences on Eneza's
37:31
Speaker 2: collections and on other plant collections. So she allowed her
37:35
Speaker 2: money helped fund Nina to be able to continue working.
37:38
Speaker 2: She also gave money to save the Red Woods League
37:41
Speaker 2: and the Sierra Club, which we've already talked about. She
37:44
Speaker 2: was dedicated to before, so makes sense that she gave
37:46
Speaker 2: them money. And she had collected about one hundred and
37:52
Speaker 2: forty five thousand specimens, maybe more I've seen, I've seen more.
37:56
Speaker 2: It's said that she collected one hundred and forty thousand
37:59
Speaker 2: to one hundred fifty around that amount of specimens, even
38:03
Speaker 2: though she never formally described any plants herself. She didn't
38:05
Speaker 2: collect that many, and there are plants named after her,
38:08
Speaker 2: and many of her photos are in the archives at
38:11
Speaker 2: the California Academy of Sciences, and there is if anybody
38:17
Speaker 2: is interested in reading an oral history about her, there
38:22
Speaker 2: is one in the z Mahia Botanical Collections at the
38:25
Speaker 2: University of California, Berkeley that people can access. They were
38:29
Speaker 2: conducted in nineteen sixty five. In nineteen sixty seven, by
38:32
Speaker 2: Annetta Carter. This is an oral history with Bracy So
38:36
Speaker 2: Nina Floyd Bracelin. This is an interview with her, and
38:41
Speaker 2: in it you can read the whole thing. But in
38:44
Speaker 2: it she talks about how Enes stabbed a grad student.
38:50
Speaker 2: So in the rundown, there was a grad student who
38:55
Speaker 2: was essentially teasing Enez a little bit. They were out
38:58
Speaker 2: for lunch, like eating sandwich, and Nina said, quote, she
39:03
Speaker 2: reached at her with a great big knife and jabbed
39:06
Speaker 2: her and ruined the stocking, of course, and cut her leg. Afterwards,
39:11
Speaker 2: I said, now listen, this is terrible, and you've got
39:14
Speaker 2: to buy two new pairs of stockings for that girl.
39:17
Speaker 2: She cannot afford this. Look what you've done to her.
39:21
Speaker 2: And it was bleeding. You know, it wasn't too serious
39:25
Speaker 2: end quote. Okay, y'all can continue reading that inter or
39:28
Speaker 2: that part of the interview. But I just think it's
39:33
Speaker 2: it's I don't know if it was just a time
39:35
Speaker 2: or what, but they seem very concerned about her stockings
39:38
Speaker 2: rather than her legs.
39:40
Speaker 1: Get her two new ones.
39:42
Speaker 2: Just two new stockings. No band aids, no bandages, no, no,
39:48
Speaker 2: nothing about wound dressing or antiseptics or whatever. You call
39:51
Speaker 2: it and you need to be able to deal with
39:53
Speaker 2: this wound. Instead, just these buy the girl some stockings.
39:57
Speaker 2: She can't afford this.
39:59
Speaker 3: Those are not like silk, right, like during that time
40:02
Speaker 3: they were expensive.
40:03
Speaker 2: They must have been, Samantha, I say it. But to
40:09
Speaker 2: be honest, though, the other thing that stood out to
40:12
Speaker 2: me about this interaction just kind of put in the
40:14
Speaker 2: pieces together about how people have described Ess. They say
40:17
Speaker 2: that she didn't want to be around people, She didn't
40:20
Speaker 2: really like people, seemingly, It's kind of what it said
40:25
Speaker 2: because in this same oral history, Bracy said that In
40:29
Speaker 2: seemed to like her Bracy, she seemed to like her
40:34
Speaker 2: more than other people. So she was like one of
40:37
Speaker 2: the few people that Ines could could handle it up with. Yeah, exactly.
40:42
Speaker 2: So I'm wondering about Inez's character and was she kind
40:49
Speaker 2: of a This is me trying to put a character
40:51
Speaker 2: together who I didn't know, But it's like what she
40:54
Speaker 2: she she spent so much time around plants and in
40:56
Speaker 2: the outdoor. She loved plants more than she loved people.
40:58
Speaker 2: Is like, I'm wondering if that's her tagline because she
41:04
Speaker 2: was always leaving people behind, didn't want to go bring
41:07
Speaker 2: other people in expeditions, besides the people that she would
41:09
Speaker 2: meet in the locales that she was going to that
41:11
Speaker 2: could help her work. So these were people who weren't
41:14
Speaker 2: her friends or she met them in the course of
41:17
Speaker 2: her work. I'll say that much. I can't say that
41:19
Speaker 2: they weren't her friends didn't become her friends. But I'm
41:24
Speaker 2: curious about that part of her personality. And the other
41:28
Speaker 2: thing about this interaction that makes me curious is how
41:31
Speaker 2: calculated it was. Because in the oral History, Bracy said
41:37
Speaker 2: that she wanted it to look like it was Yes's
41:40
Speaker 2: idea to replace the stockings. So she's like, I know
41:44
Speaker 2: that Inez won't of her own volition, be like I
41:48
Speaker 2: think I should get the girl some more stockings. She's like, no,
41:51
Speaker 2: I'm standing on business. I get stabbed her and I
41:53
Speaker 2: meant it. So Bracy had to be that person who's like,
41:59
Speaker 2: I need to make it look like it's her idea,
42:01
Speaker 2: just to make it better, which is funny but also
42:04
Speaker 2: kind of scary, you know. So anyway, she got read
42:09
Speaker 2: the rested of that if you want to. Inez also
42:13
Speaker 2: published notes from and accounts from her travels in different publications.
42:17
Speaker 2: She was a member of the California Botanical Society, the
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Speaker 2: Sierra Club, the Audubon Association of the Pacific, and other organizations,
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Speaker 2: and you can see her specimen collections. I haven't had
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Speaker 2: the privilege, but you can see our specimen collections at
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Speaker 2: the California Academy of Sciences, and parts of it are
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Speaker 2: duplicated at other institutions in the United States and Europe.
42:36
Speaker 2: And Anneza's papers are at the California Academy Science and
42:40
Speaker 2: in the Berkeley Library at the University of California. So
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Speaker 2: there is other stuff you can see. You can research
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Speaker 2: some of the other specimens she's collected, stuff that's been
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Speaker 2: named after her. But I think it's a pretty cool story.
42:52
Speaker 2: I'm here for adventure. I like to feel like and
42:57
Speaker 2: think that and say that I have an adventurer spirit.
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Speaker 2: Love being in the outdoors. I like hiking. I like
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Speaker 2: plants and trees as even though I'm not a good
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Speaker 2: plant parent, I like them. I like you know, so
43:11
Speaker 2: I I really enjoyed In as a story. Definitely complexities
43:18
Speaker 2: in there, definitely threads of environmental protection and conservation that
43:23
Speaker 2: are super important threads of doing whatever you want to
43:27
Speaker 2: do at any point in your life that you want
43:30
Speaker 2: to do. If you want to do it. I mean,
43:31
Speaker 2: there are so many themes and messages that I think
43:34
Speaker 2: are valuable in it as a story.
43:36
Speaker 1: Yes, completely agree. I mean we say it every time,
43:41
Speaker 1: but I don't know why there's not a miniseries on
43:43
Speaker 1: this woman's life. This is falling off a cliff where I.
43:48
Speaker 3: Can get all violence and adventure romance and come on.
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Speaker 1: A woman who hates other people but loves plants.
43:58
Speaker 3: Like he's turning point. Maybe it was a midlife crisis
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Speaker 3: where he was like, I'm gonna need you to go
44:04
Speaker 3: out because you might help somebody. Yeah, like I wonder,
44:08
Speaker 3: like what you know, but that is kind of the
44:10
Speaker 3: beginning times of like really trying to figure out your life,
44:13
Speaker 3: and like my life is. Her life was made up
44:16
Speaker 3: of like a ranch that she didn't really want, and
44:19
Speaker 3: I can't imagine being a woman owner of a ranch
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Speaker 3: and like that already sounds kind of like intense and
44:25
Speaker 3: it's in itself, and then being married to people that
44:28
Speaker 3: you don't really want to be married to but you're like, yeah,
44:29
Speaker 3: I did it, I'm here, and then figuring out but
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Speaker 3: I really like these plants and I can go and
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Speaker 3: sit and listen to birds and look and discover new
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Speaker 3: things and just be here like that's a lot of
44:40
Speaker 3: it kind of sounds like finding herself. It's like love
44:42
Speaker 3: prey eat but not but lance right, and how that
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Speaker 3: goes movie by the way, I don't even.
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Speaker 1: Know close enough.
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Speaker 2: I got your point, thank you, Yes, that one.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's also really fascinating to me. I also feel
45:08
Speaker 1: like I have an adventurous spirit, but I'm I'm a
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Speaker 1: big nerd and like people are still discovering things today,
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Speaker 1: like new plants and new animals. I was reading about
45:17
Speaker 1: a new animal that was discovered yesterday and it was
45:19
Speaker 1: just like, there's still so much to explore and discover
45:22
Speaker 1: and it's.
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Speaker 2: Amazing.
45:26
Speaker 1: The flip side is, of course the the sad necessity
45:31
Speaker 1: of the preservation part, but like she did so much
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Speaker 1: as staggering how much she did, how many things she found,
45:41
Speaker 1: because I'm someone who I would just be out and
45:42
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know has that been discovered?
45:44
Speaker 2: How well I know that a.
45:45
Speaker 1: New Obviously I haven't studied it, so that that doesn't help, honestly, And.
45:52
Speaker 2: You probably stepped on a plant that was probably very
45:54
Speaker 2: Protestant at some point.
45:58
Speaker 1: This is this is your revenge. Be trying to trick
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Speaker 1: you into being a plant mom. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Wow. But the other side of that, too, Annie, is
46:08
Speaker 2: that there are probably specimens gone that she ran across
46:12
Speaker 2: in her collections that no longer exist. I mean, she
46:15
Speaker 2: was in South Americas, in Brazil, she was in Amazon.
46:18
Speaker 2: A lot of that has come on now. Yeah, unfortunately.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm glad it's all you can see it.
46:27
Speaker 1: You can see a lot of it online. There is
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Speaker 1: a I didn't watch it, but I saw that there's
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Speaker 1: a PBS documentary. So there's a lot of stuff about
46:36
Speaker 1: her life. There's still no mini series, unfortunately, but you
46:41
Speaker 1: can find a lot about her, and she just sounds
46:43
Speaker 1: like a fascinating complex character.
46:48
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think y'all are right. I think you're right, Samantha.
46:51
Speaker 2: There should be some sort of dramatization, some sort of
46:55
Speaker 2: It's they have all the markers for a great story.
46:58
Speaker 2: You got the insiding and as you've got the turning point,
47:01
Speaker 2: you know, you got the heroes, journeys, traveling, I mean
47:04
Speaker 2: some one. Yeah, so maybe maybe y'all should y'all should
47:08
Speaker 2: be the ones to champion talking about this every time
47:12
Speaker 2: we have IV. It's true, it's not our original story
47:20
Speaker 2: at all. That's literally someone's legacy. But no, seriously, it's
47:25
Speaker 2: it's worth covering a lot more. I mean, it's fascinating.
47:30
Speaker 2: It's a fascinating story, really is Wow.
47:36
Speaker 1: I cannot recommend enough listeners go research more. But as always,
47:41
Speaker 1: thank you so much Ease for bringing this this story
47:45
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47:47
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47:49
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47:53
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