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- 0:00Speaker 1: Ukraine says it has ramped up its attacks on ships
- 0:03Speaker 1: reportedly belonging to Russia's Shadow Fleet. Over night alone, the
- 0:07Speaker 1: military says it hit fourteen vessels in the Sea of
- 0:10Speaker 1: Azol with drones, including twelve tankers. According to the Ukrainian Army,
- 0:16Speaker 1: the vessels were being used to supply fuel to the
- 0:19Speaker 1: Russian military and to transport oil and petroleum products in
- 0:23Speaker 1: violation of international sanctions. That brings the total number of
- 0:27Speaker 1: vessels Ukraine has struck in the Sea of Asov and
- 0:29Speaker 1: the Black Sea to over to within the past four
- 0:33Speaker 1: days to thirty five. Let's bring in Christina Harward here.
- 0:41Speaker 1: She's Russia Deputy team leader at the Institute for the
- 0:44Speaker 1: Study of War. Welcome to the program, Christina. What impact
- 0:48Speaker 1: are these attacks having on Russia.
- 0:53Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's really absolutely fascinating to watch how
- 0:55Speaker 2: this strike campaign is unfolding the past couple of weeks,
- 0:59Speaker 2: and we have this new element that we see now
- 1:01Speaker 2: in the past couple of days. Even so, really what's
- 1:04Speaker 2: happening here is Russia is attempting to find ways to
- 1:07Speaker 2: mitigate mitigate the problems that the Ukrainian strikes have caused
- 1:10Speaker 2: in the past few months. Including the wide scale gasoline
- 1:14Speaker 2: crisis that we've seen and occupied Ukraine and throughout Russia.
- 1:17Speaker 2: So Russia now is trying to somehow find another way
- 1:21Speaker 2: to get gasoline to the Peninsula of Cramea, and Ukraine
- 1:24Speaker 2: is seeing that and they're going after that effort as well.
- 1:27Speaker 1: Now, how do you explain this sudden rise in successful
- 1:33Speaker 1: Ukrainian attacks on Russia's so called shadow fleet. I mean,
- 1:37Speaker 1: that fleet's been around a while. Ukraine has had drones
- 1:40Speaker 1: for quite a while. Why is this happening now?
- 1:44Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean so, I think there's probably a couple
- 1:46Speaker 2: different elements here, but I think one to really draw
- 1:49Speaker 2: out is if we look back the past couple of
- 1:51Speaker 2: months in twenty twenty six, but even going into the
- 1:53Speaker 2: winter and potentially the fall of twenty twenty five, Ukraine
- 1:56Speaker 2: has been conducting a very extensive campaign against Russian air
- 2:00Speaker 2: defence systems as well as other infrastructure that support these
- 2:03Speaker 2: systems like radars. So Ukrainians have really been blinding the
- 2:06Speaker 2: Russians in really significant areas, including in Crimea and in
- 2:10Speaker 2: occupied Ukraine. So that's really helped Ukraine create these corridors
- 2:14Speaker 2: where their drones and other projectiles can fly through with
- 2:18Speaker 2: a pretty high success rate of actually hitting the target.
- 2:21Speaker 2: So I'm sure that's one of the elements that is
- 2:23Speaker 2: helping Ukraine right now hit these vessels, is that the
- 2:26Speaker 2: Russian air defense umbrella is pretty degraded insula in the
- 2:29Speaker 2: Peninsula Crimea.
- 2:31Speaker 1: So how is Russia responding to these attacks? I mean,
- 2:34Speaker 1: normally Russia doesn't just sit back, It throws something back
- 2:39Speaker 1: in return.
- 2:42Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, so, I think there's a couple different things
- 2:45Speaker 2: going on. First, we have seen Vladimir Putin come out
- 2:47Speaker 2: and acknowledge these pretty directly that he really had no
- 2:52Speaker 2: other choice. The consequences were so wide scale across his
- 2:55Speaker 2: country he had to acknowledge them. Now, the main efforts
- 2:59Speaker 2: that we're seeing come out out of the Russian government. One,
- 3:01Speaker 2: they're really concerned about the effects on consumers, so we're
- 3:05Speaker 2: seeing efforts like them trying to work on price caps,
- 3:08Speaker 2: as well as intensifying efforts to make sure that the
- 3:11Speaker 2: supplies to the gas stations, including the independent gas station companies,
- 3:16Speaker 2: is more direct from the refineries themselves. Now in terms
- 3:19Speaker 2: of actually necessary defenses to prevent these strikes from happening
- 3:23Speaker 2: in the first place, this is where the Russian response
- 3:26Speaker 2: is really lacking now. Vladimir Putin has himself stated last
- 3:29Speaker 2: week that the Russian defense industrial base must boost its
- 3:33Speaker 2: production of air defenses. But that's not going to be
- 3:35Speaker 2: an easy task to accomplish overnight, particularly with the strike campaign.
- 3:40Speaker 2: I just described where Ukraine's been knocking out these air
- 3:42Speaker 2: defense systems left and right for the past few few
- 3:45Speaker 2: months in occupied Ukraine and Russia. So not only now
- 3:49Speaker 2: does Russia have to defend more and more areas of
- 3:52Speaker 2: its territory that Ukraine is now able to reach with
- 3:55Speaker 2: these new Ukrainian drones that can get fly farther than ever,
- 3:59Speaker 2: but they're also having to replace the air defenses that
- 4:01Speaker 2: Ukraine is knocking out.
- 4:03Speaker 1: Christina State with us. I want to show you something
- 4:05Speaker 1: else and ask you about it, because it's not just
- 4:08Speaker 1: strikes on Russian ships. Ukraine has again attacked oil refineries
- 4:12Speaker 1: and reservoirs in several parts of Russia. This video you're
- 4:16Speaker 1: seeing on your screen was released by Ukraine's President of
- 4:20Speaker 1: Vladimir Zelensky on social media. Russian President Vladimir Putin had
- 4:24Speaker 1: this to say about the Ukrainian attacks.
- 4:30Speaker 3: It is obvious that the adversary seeks to damage the
- 4:33Speaker 3: economy but more importantly, aims to create an atmosphere of
- 4:37Speaker 3: anxiety within society. We understand that this objective cannot be achieved.
- 4:44Speaker 3: Russia's energy system possesses immense resilience, among the highest in
- 4:49Speaker 3: the world.
- 4:51Speaker 1: Community immense resilience, Christina, is is it true that Russia
- 4:58Speaker 1: is resilient and enough to withstand these attacks over a
- 5:02Speaker 1: longer period.
- 5:06Speaker 2: So I think they're definitely going to try to do
- 5:08Speaker 2: that now. This is something we haven't seen Russia face
- 5:11Speaker 2: so far in this war. In twenty twenty five, they
- 5:15Speaker 2: faced a similar gasoline crisis due to Ukrainian strikes against refineries,
- 5:19Speaker 2: but it happened that the end of the end of
- 5:21Speaker 2: the high summertime demand season, and it wasn't quite as
- 5:25Speaker 2: extensive as the strike campaign was seeing this year. So
- 5:27Speaker 2: this is definitely a new endeavor that Russia is having
- 5:30Speaker 2: to undertake now. I would note that Vladimir Putin, obviously,
- 5:33Speaker 2: in all of these speeches he's giving now about the crisis,
- 5:36Speaker 2: he's definitely trying to posture Russian strength. If you look
- 5:40Speaker 2: and kind of read between the lines of some of
- 5:42Speaker 2: the statements he's giving, he seemed to be trying to
- 5:44Speaker 2: tell the Russian people that these are sacrifices that they
- 5:48Speaker 2: need to make, because what really matters is what's happening
- 5:51Speaker 2: on the battlefield, where again Putin is projecting strength and
- 5:55Speaker 2: continues to falsely claim that Russian is going to be
- 5:58Speaker 2: able to achieve it's really wide sweeping battlefield objectives very quickly,
- 6:03Speaker 2: which is by no means going to be an easy task.
- 6:07Speaker 1: At this week's NATO summit in Turkey, Ukraine got backing
- 6:12Speaker 1: for its long range strikes on Russia. Even US President
- 6:15Speaker 1: Donald Trump said this could help end the war, bring
- 6:18Speaker 1: it to a speedier conclusion. Do you think Ukraine has
- 6:22Speaker 1: the capacity to continue pursuing this strategy?
- 6:29Speaker 2: So I definitely think we can expect the Ukrainians to
- 6:32Speaker 2: continue this strike campaign, if not intensify it, because really
- 6:35Speaker 2: the thing that's going to potentially stop this campaign is
- 6:38Speaker 2: if Russia is able to build up its defenses, which, again,
- 6:41Speaker 2: as I noted, producing the amount of air defenses in
- 6:44Speaker 2: the speed and the quantity that Russia really needs right
- 6:46Speaker 2: now is going to be very difficult, and it's really
- 6:49Speaker 2: unclear of the Russian defense industrial base we'll be able
- 6:51Speaker 2: to meet Putin's demands for that kind of boost so
- 6:55Speaker 2: we've really seen Ukraine has increased its own domestic production
- 6:59Speaker 2: of drone and its own domestically produced missiles that we
- 7:02Speaker 2: will likely continue to see the Ukrainians churn out day
- 7:05Speaker 2: in and day out in order to be conducting these
- 7:09Speaker 2: very large scale strikes with lots of drones and hitting
- 7:12Speaker 2: targets over and over again.
- 7:15Speaker 1: So do you see any signs that this could speed
- 7:19Speaker 1: up the end of the war to bring it to
- 7:22Speaker 1: a conclusion as Trump suggested.
- 7:27Speaker 2: So I think it's definitely going to get Putin thinking
- 7:29Speaker 2: a little bit. But there's really no indication from Putin's
- 7:33Speaker 2: statements as well as kind of other reports we're seeing
- 7:35Speaker 2: in the open source from maybe sources within the Kremlin,
- 7:38Speaker 2: to suggest that Putin has really changed his theory of victory. Now,
- 7:42Speaker 2: Putin has stuck to this same theory for the past
- 7:44Speaker 2: two years, and it's really predicated predicated on Putin's assumption
- 7:49Speaker 2: that Russia just needs to outlast Ukraine and outlast Western
- 7:52Speaker 2: support for Ukraine. Now, Putin is very focused on the
- 7:56Speaker 2: battlefield where he does hope he'll be able to have
- 8:00Speaker 2: enough successes, or at least claim enough successes that he
- 8:03Speaker 2: can continue to push Donald Trump to force Ukraine to
- 8:07Speaker 2: capitulate at the negotiating table. So that being said, in
- 8:10Speaker 2: order to end the war and get Putin to actually
- 8:13Speaker 2: come and sit down and engage in good faith negotiations
- 8:16Speaker 2: that include compromises on both sides, you're going to need
- 8:19Speaker 2: to change Putent's calculus, and I think right now the
- 8:22Speaker 2: place to do that is going to be on the battlefield.
- 8:24Speaker 2: So something we're definitely keeping an eye out for is
- 8:27Speaker 2: how the different strike campaigns that Ukraine is conducting, both
- 8:30Speaker 2: in Russia and occupied Ukraine are going to have implications
- 8:33Speaker 2: on the battlefield. We're starting to see some trickles of
- 8:36Speaker 2: those consequences, but we're definitely going to keep an eye
- 8:38Speaker 2: out for as this matures even more.
- 8:41Speaker 1: Christina, thank you very much. That was Christina Harward with
- 8:44Speaker 1: the Institute for the Study of War.