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Redefining Worth Beyond the Applause w/ Rachael Lampa · Something Extra

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  Rachael Lampa: So, yeah, that was one the the first moment where I just was like,
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  who am I without music and without not even without music, but without validation,
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  without outside validation.
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  Like, am I gonna be able to believe in myself enough or believe,
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  you know, it it impacted my faith in a huge way because I was
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  like, does God even think I'm important anymore?
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  Like, am I doing my duties?
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  You know?
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  Advancement of the kingdom.
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  Like, all of a sudden, I was just like, oh, no.
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  And I had to really decide whether I believed that that's how life worked
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  and how God worked and how love works.
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  Lisa Nichols: It takes something a little more to lead with impact.
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  I'm Lisa Nichols, author of Something Extra, and this podcast
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  was inspired by our daughter, Allie, whose additional chromosome has shaped
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  I am blessed to have Rachel Lampa on the show today.
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  Rachel is an award winning recording artist.
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  Her recent hits include Perfectly Loved, Somebody to You,
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  and Superpowers.
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  Well, Rachel Lampa, I cannot tell you how excited
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  I have been for this time with you.
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  Oh my goodness.
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  Rachael Lampa: You Me too.
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  I'm so glad that we we got connected.
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  Lisa Nichols: I'm so glad too.
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  So we have to give a shout out to Tommy Spaulding.
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  Rachael Lampa: Yes.
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  Lisa Nichols: And Tommy Tommy's been a good friend, and
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  he had reached out to me last year and said, Lisa,
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  we just had Rachel Lampa in.
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  They were doing their global summit leadership summit.
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  He said, we just had Rachel in.
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  She performed and she performed this song.
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  And he goes, I'm sitting there just thinking about you.
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  And he goes, there was not a dry eye.
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  And so he sends me the song, and I don't wanna spoil it yet.
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  We'll get into it.
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  But he sent me a song, and, of course, I'm listening to it and
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  just bawling.
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  And I'm like, Tommy, oh my goodness.
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  I won't I would love to have Rachel on the Something Extra podcast,
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  and we're gonna we're doing other stuff together too.
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  And we'll tell our listeners about that, and I'm so excited.
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  But, it's just such a blessing to have you here.
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  Rachael Lampa: Yeah.
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  Thank you, and thank you, Tommy.
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  Yes.
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  Lisa Nichols: Thank you.
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  Shout out to to Tommy's Sporting.
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  Go get Tommy's books, everybody.
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  Yes.
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  I was in the, where was I last week?
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  I was in, West Palm and was in one of the bookstores,
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  and there was his Gift of Influence, which is one of my favorite books
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  of his.
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  And, of course, I'm snapping pictures and sending
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  Rachael Lampa: them to him.
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  Oh, so good.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Yay.
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  He's a good he's a good dude, so Yes.
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  Go look up Tommy.
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  But, Rachel, I know you grew up in Louisville, Colorado.
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  So you Yes.
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  Grew up doing all the fun outdoorsy things, I would imagine.
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  Right?
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  Rachael Lampa: Yep.
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  I was, a snowboarder, and I
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  act I had all my phases.
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  Like, I I was a skater girl for a little while.
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  I played all the sports.
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  I I actually yeah.
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  I was super, super into sports growing up and, yeah, all the outdoor
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  stuff.
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  You you just, you know, hiking and camping and and all the stuff.
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  So it was it was a fun way to grow up.
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  Lisa Nichols: Our middle daughter, Paige so we've got Jordan, Paige, and Allie,
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  and Allie's in August, but Paige was just in Denver this weekend
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  with one of her best best friends.
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  And they hiked, and they just they did all the outdoor stuff.
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  And she said it is just it's just beautiful.
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  Beautiful air.
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  Rachael Lampa: The best.
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  It's the best.
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  It's three hundred days of sunshine.
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  Lisa Nichols: I mean
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  Rachael Lampa: I know.
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  It doesn't matter how cold it is or how much snow's on the ground.
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  It's like there's sunshine.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Which is amazing.
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  Well, I know you had an older brother.
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  You have an older brother and younger brother and sister.
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  So you probably your older brother probably got you into some of those things
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  too.
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  Rachael Lampa: Yes.
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  All the stuff.
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  Yeah.
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  I just wanted to do whatever he
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  Lisa Nichols: did.
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  Yeah.
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  Of course.
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  They get it.
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  I get it.
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  Well, here's what I wanna talk about.
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  You are a
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  very well known Christian artist.
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  You live in Nashville now, but you were discovered at the age of fourteen,
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  Fourteen or fifteen, I think.
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  And we're suddenly thrust into this public life.
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  You know, how did that season really shape you,
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  how you understood who you are as a person?
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  Rachael Lampa: Yeah.
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  I think, you know,
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  I it was the summer of eighth grade
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  that I was sorta offered my the contract.
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  And so, you know, we are all trying to we're
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  trying everything on, you know, at that age where Yes.
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  We don't know if we're, you know, which way we're going with life.
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  And,
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  so I was very much a normal kid in that way.
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  So I I I think just like the rest of my peers, I was,
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  you know, definitely moving into this place of, like,
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  who, you know, how do I dress and how do how much do I
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  wanna stand out and how much do I wanna fit in?
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  And that whole dance is so wild.
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  And for me, I was I was not like that, you know,
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  you you watch, like, The Voice in American Idol now, and you're like, oh,
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  that's a star.
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  You know?
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  You, like, see a star.
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  Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
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  Rachael Lampa: I was not that kind of kid.
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  I wanted to I I just kind of kept it kept it
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  small and kept it simple and, like, just just lean into the background
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  and wanted to be friends with everybody, and so I just, like, played
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  it really safe.
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  And so, you know, when when I was,
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  yeah, fourteen and I performed I I did perform all the time, which was,
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  like, this kind of my first, like,
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  you know, what do you call it?
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  Just the first way that, like, I I was starting to wrestle with with
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  who I was was, like, do I like to be on stage, or do
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  I like to stand, you know, stand in the background?
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  In the background
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  Lisa Nichols: vocals.
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  Right.
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  Rachael Lampa: Yes.
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  And it was just or even just, like, nerves and just, like, you know,
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  just or do I even wanna be on stage at all?
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  You know?
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  And so I think, it it was it was, definitely the beginning of, like,
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  some pretty big push and pull of, like, who do I wanna be, you
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  know, in the world?
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  And and I just had to lead the only thing I had I knew
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  was that I loved music, and I love to sing, and I felt,
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  like, lifted and different, you know, when I would
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  sing.
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  And so I just had to kind of follow that first and just figure
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  out little by little, you know, what that all meant, but just
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  kind of follow my my passions and my loves and my dreams and the
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  things that felt right and good at that age.
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  Mhmm.
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  Lisa Nichols: Music is just one of those though that boy.
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  Because I grew up singing too.
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  I started singing in our church when I was four.
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  Yeah.
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  Rachael Lampa: Oh, amazing.
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  Lisa Nichols: And still to this day,
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  music is the thing that can just move me to a totally
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  different place.
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  Right?
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  Just emotionally, spiritually, everything.
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  Yeah.
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  It's so so powerful.
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  So powerful.
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  Rachael Lampa: Some people have said, like, sometimes, like, the the fastest way
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  to to anyone's heart is their ears, you
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  know, is through is through music and especially for kids, for young people.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Rachael Lampa: It's like there's just it just it it it reminds you that there's
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  something else happening, you know, in the world, and it's not just
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  all what we see right in front of us.
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  Lisa Nichols: Exactly.
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  Now here's what I've always heard.
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  The fastest way to a man's heart is through his mouth.
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  Right?
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  I'm like,
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  so be a good cook.
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  And music.
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  Yes.
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  Food and music.
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  Those two things.
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  Very important.
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  Rachael Lampa: I like both of those things too.
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  So
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  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
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  Me too.
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  Me too.
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  So, this is interesting because, you know, you
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  you had written and sang the song Blessed.
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  I think you wrote it, but I know you performed
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  Rachael Lampa: it.
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  Yeah.
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  I did not write it.
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  Lisa Nichols: You did not write it.
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  Yeah.
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  That song, oh my goodness, Rachel.
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  I have had that song on repeat.
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  I love that song so much.
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  And the way you did, you won a Dove Award
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  with that song.
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  -Yeah.
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  -When you, like, looking back
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  at that young girl, I mean, what would you say to her now?
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  I mean, she's singing that song blessed, winning a dove award.
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  What would you say to her, Rachel?
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  Rachael Lampa: I would just say keep leaning into
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  who who you like, keep listening to your heart.
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  I I know that kinda sounds a little trite.
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  Mhmm.
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  But I think we don't we it's really easy to get
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  carried away in all the events and the the glitter
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  and the excitingness of everything.
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  And there there's there was, like, a little
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  I I can I can, like, pinpoint all the times where I'm, like, move
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  that was a heart move, like, that was a heart thing?
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  And even the song blessed, even how that came about.
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  So when I was signed, I was fourteen, and I, I wasn't
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  a songwriter yet.
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  I was, you know, just singing I was singing Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston
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  karaoke.
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  That's that was my that was my thing.
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  And so I I didn't know how to write a song yet.
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  So what the the record label did for me was they rented
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  a house out here in Franklin actually, and they,
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  invited me and my mom to stay there for a few weeks while writers
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  would come in and out and come, like, have meals with us and
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  take walks with us and just ask me questions about what it's what it's
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  like to be me and what's going on in my heart, what's going on
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  in my head.
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  Blessed is one of those moments I took a walk with my friends now
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  that are that wrote the song, Cindy Morgan and Ginny Owens, and I was
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  able to just kind of tell them, like, you know, I don't know.
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  I'm fourteen.
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  Like, I I I feel this way.
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  I feel like I'm blessed just to wake up in the morning and to
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  have somewhere to rest, you know, and that that I'm held the whole
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  time.
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  And, you know, so, like, I and and that song, you
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  know, continues to, like, be true and very and stay fresh to me because,
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  I think I need that song more now than I did then.
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  Well, you know?
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  Right?
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  Lisa Nichols: You know?
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  It's a great way to start the day.
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  I'm telling you.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Rachael Lampa: Simple and Mhmm.
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  But yeah.
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  So I would just say to to to stay connected to
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  your heart.
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  Mhmm.
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  Yeah.
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  If I
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  Lisa Nichols: were to speak
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  Rachael Lampa: back to her.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  That is good.
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  That is good.
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  Well, I knew I know that you grew up in a faith filled home,
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  and I know that, you know, that probably your faith probably sustained
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  you during that success.
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  Yeah.
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  But, you know,
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  growing up in public while still trying to figure out your own voice, that
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  is not for the faint of heart.
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  I mean, it's harder, I think, than people really probably realize.
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  Rachael Lampa: Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  I I definitely had a lot of a a lot of ups
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  and downs in in that time, like, you know, lots of doubting
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  myself and insecurity and imposter syndrome
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  and, oh my gosh, just, you know, anything that can come and talk
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  me out of what I was doing came along for sure.
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  Lisa Nichols: Sure.
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  Rachael Lampa: And I think and I think ultimately, you know, I I
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  did get burnt out.
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  You know?
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  I did get, to the point where I was like, okay.
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  I don't know what my own voice sounds like anymore
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  and what what God's voice sounds like because there's so many voices,
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  you know, like, there's so many people weighing in on how I should look
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  and what I should sing about and what should be next.
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  And for me, it was like I I needed to kind of, like, clear
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  the noise.
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  So I yeah.
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  I definitely, like, it it there was a a point
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  where I was like, is this over?
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  You know?
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  Am I, like, am I just gonna be done?
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  Or do I need a break?
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  And,
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  you know, thank God.
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  I I I, you know, had great people around me.
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  I had my brother and my mom, and we just kind of,
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  decided, like, we don't have to know the answer.
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  We don't have to have this
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  Lisa Nichols: this week.
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  Rachael Lampa: Right.
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  Yeah.
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  Or this, you know, this this end date or this, you know,
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  plan for this time of stepping away.
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  I knew I just needed to, like, get quiet, clear the noise, and
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  just breathe for a second and figure out, you you know, what what my
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  my own heart was saying.
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  Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
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  Yeah.
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  And so you did that.
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  You were twenty.
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  Right?
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  You were twenty and walked away from this wildly successful career.
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  And you said I read somewhere where you said, you know, you just didn't
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  feel peace.
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  You didn't feel peace during that time.
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  You had some anxious, anxiety Yeah.
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  Felt lots of pressure.
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  You know, you've yeah.
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  You've talked a lot about, you know, untangling.
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  And I can see it's not just, like, what other people are saying.
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  So you had all these voices speaking into you, Rachel, but also
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  the pace at which you were going, I'm sure, like touring
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  and doing, you know, the events and and new albums and
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  yada yada yada.
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  It's like sometimes when you're going with that pace, what I have
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  seen, like, you know, not, like, in the music world, but even in
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  business and building a business, you're just one at this pace and you kinda
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  get on autopilot sometimes.
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  Yes.
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  Yes.
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  Yeah.
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  Truly do lose kind of, like you said, kinda
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  your own voice or how am I even feeling
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  Rachael Lampa: Yeah.
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  About all of that.
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  And it catches up with you.
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  I I think Mhmm.
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  I I remember, like, at a certain point, I was just I was like,
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  man, how how have I kept going this long?
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  Like because it's like I knew that I was putting off something really important.
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  I knew that I I needed to catch my breath, and I knew
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  that I needed, like, something to come along that would, like,
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  like, cause me to, like, go inward for a second, but
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  I just kept going outward, outward, outward, outward, and, like, just saying yes
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  and, you know,
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  just kind of letting letting
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  everyone else make the decisions for me kind of thing.
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  Mhmm.
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  And, and I just I remember knowing, like, I I know
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  this is gonna catch up with me, and, and I wish I wish I
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  did it.
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  You know, I wish, you know, you that question that you asked me at
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  the very beginning, it's like, I wish I did stay connected to my heart
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  in that moment.
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  Lisa Nichols: But you were all of fourteen, Rachel.
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  Rachael Lampa: Yes.
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  Yes.
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  Yes.
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  Lisa Nichols: You know?
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  We were fourteen.
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  Rachael Lampa: And Absolutely.
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  And and, you know, I do it now.
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  You know?
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  I catch myself now.
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  And I'm like, oh, yep.
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  That wasn't that wasn't my heart speaking.
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  That was something else.
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  You know?
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  So Yeah.
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  It definitely I I get what you mean.
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  Like, yeah, you just you get in this autopilot,
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  scenario, and then and then suddenly for so for me, it would be
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  suddenly somebody's like, okay.
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  It's time to make a new album.
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  What are you inspired by?
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  And I'm like, I don't know.
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  I'm just wanna go to sleep.
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  Like like, I I I haven't even looked around
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  long enough to get inspired because I'm just going, like, head down straight through,
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  and I'm sure it gets like that in business too because it's just, like,
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  everything that we do has to be inspired by something,
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  you know, and
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  Lisa Nichols: be Absolutely.
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  Rachael Lampa: Be moving by something that is deeper than, you know
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  Mhmm.
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  Just, you know, what we see in front of us.
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  Lisa Nichols: So Absolutely.
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  Yeah.
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  I betcha.
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  Because for me, sometimes, just, like, getting out in nature,
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  taking a walk, taking the dog for a walk.
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  I mean Yeah.
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  It's it's interesting, You know?
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  And I've kinda come up with this phrase, like, be present where my feet
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  are planted.
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  Rachael Lampa: Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  And instead of if if I'm if I'm interacting with Ali or
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  I'm interacting with a friend or I'm taking a walk, you know, I'm trying
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  to take in everything around you know, the birds and the
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  Yeah.
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  Beauty.
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  And that is truly where I think, for me, anyway,
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  inspiration comes from.
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  You know?
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  Yeah.
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  Like, I'll see like, one day, I was walking,
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  and I was just watching the birds go from one
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  tree to the next.
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  And, of course, sometimes they fly really far.
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  Right?
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  But I'm like, sometimes it's like even, like, if you've got this huge
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  project, the epiphany just came to me.
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  Sometimes you've got this huge project in front of you that just looks so
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  monumental and so impossible.
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  But look at the birds.
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  They're, like, going from one tree
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  Rachael Lampa: Tree to tree.
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  Lisa Nichols: Tree to tree.
• 17:19
  Yeah.
• 17:19
  And I was like, wow.
• 17:21
  But, see, I mean, if you don't take the time to kinda slow down
• 17:24
  Yeah.
• 17:25
  Those thoughts never even come to you because you're just, you know, barreling
• 17:29
  through, I guess, you know, if you will.
• 17:32
  But but you chose a nanny job.
• 17:35
  I did.
• 17:38
  Yeah.
• 17:38
  Which is such a contrast.
• 17:40
  Oh, I know.
• 17:41
  I know.
• 17:41
  And you're on stage.
• 17:43
  Rachael Lampa: Yeah.
• 17:43
  It was a it was whiplash.
• 17:45
  Yes.
• 17:45
  Lisa Nichols: I yeah.
• 17:47
  Rachael Lampa: But it was so great.
• 17:48
  I I I wanted to do what all my friends were doing at the
• 17:51
  time.
• 17:51
  Right.
• 17:52
  They were all just kinda take you know, they were in college.
• 17:54
  They were taking their nanny jobs and their babysitting jobs, and I was like,
• 17:58
  I wanna I wanna do that.
• 17:59
  Yeah.
• 17:59
  That sounds good.
• 18:00
  Right?
• 18:01
  Yeah.
• 18:01
  Lisa Nichols: So what did that season teach you?
• 18:03
  I am sure a lot.
• 18:05
  Rachael Lampa: But For sure to slow down.
• 18:07
  To slow down.
• 18:07
  To get on the floor, you know, and, like, just, like, touch the grass
• 18:12
  like everybody's saying now.
• 18:14
  Like like, just get get grounded.
• 18:17
  You know?
• 18:17
  Like, feel the earth and and stop, yeah,
• 18:21
  stop go go going so much.
• 18:23
  Like, to to show up to to the same place every day was something
• 18:27
  that I never did.
• 18:28
  Like, I was always traveling.
• 18:32
  So to to wake up and show up, so, like, consistency,
• 18:37
  rhythm, like, I I all of a sudden had this rhythm to my life,
• 18:41
  and then just, you know, the
• 18:45
  unexpectedness of kids and just the the best, like, little words and thoughts
• 18:49
  and ideas.
• 18:50
  Yeah.
• 18:51
  I I I needed that.
• 18:52
  I needed all that sweet pure purity and innocence and,
• 18:57
  just all the laughs.
• 18:58
  It was just a good time to simplify.
• 19:00
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 19:01
  I love that.
• 19:02
  I love that.
• 19:03
  Yeah.
• 19:03
  Well, how do you think I mean, what what were some of the things
• 19:06
  that you rediscovered about yourself?
• 19:09
  You know?
• 19:09
  Oh, god.
• 19:10
  So you had this slowing down a little bit of,
• 19:14
  you know, anonymity, if you will.
• 19:16
  Yeah.
• 19:16
  I mean, you were no longer out there on stage.
• 19:19
  I mean, what were some of those things that you uncovered
• 19:23
  about yourself?
• 19:24
  Rachael Lampa: Yeah.
• 19:24
  I mean, immediately, it was really hard because I
• 19:28
  was like, am I am I purposeful anymore?
• 19:33
  Like, do I do I even matter anymore?
• 19:36
  Like, what is what's my you know, what's the point?
• 19:40
  Like, what's
• 19:41
  Lisa Nichols: what's my purpose in life?
• 19:43
  And my Yeah.
• 19:44
  Yeah.
• 19:44
  Rachael Lampa: I went from, you know, getting all this, you know,
• 19:48
  outside validation.
• 19:51
  And, you know you know, as a young person having all these people on
• 19:55
  my team and having all these people cheering me on and all of a
• 19:59
  sudden it's just like, bye.
• 20:01
  You know?
• 20:02
  Like, just, like, you're on your own now.
• 20:04
  Like, maybe you're maybe the kids you're watching will give you a round of
• 20:07
  applause, but probably not.
• 20:09
  Lisa Nichols: Probably not.
• 20:11
  Oh my goodness.
• 20:13
  Rachael Lampa: So, yeah, that was, it that was one the the first moment where
• 20:17
  I just was like, who am I without music and without not even without
• 20:21
  music, but without validation, without outside validation.
• 20:24
  Like, do like, am I gonna be able to believe in
• 20:28
  myself enough or believe even, like, you know, it it impacted
• 20:32
  my faith in a huge way because I was like, does does God even
• 20:35
  think I'm important anymore?
• 20:36
  Like, am I doing, like, my my duties?
• 20:39
  You know?
• 20:40
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 20:40
  Rachael Lampa: For for for, like, you know, advancement
• 20:44
  of the kingdom.
• 20:45
  Like, all of a sudden, I was just like, oh, no.
• 20:49
  And I had to really decide whether I believed that that's how
• 20:54
  life worked and how God works and how love works.
• 20:57
  Lisa Nichols: Saw you.
• 20:57
  You know?
• 20:58
  I mean, like, what does he say, right, about you?
• 21:00
  Right.
• 21:01
  And I we're gonna get into this, but I Yeah.
• 21:04
  You know, Ally is our youngest.
• 21:06
  And I would say Yeah.
• 21:07
  What she has really taught me is our work does not equal our productivity.
• 21:12
  It does not equal performance.
• 21:15
  Yes.
• 21:15
  Right?
• 21:16
  And I kinda grew up a little bit in a performance type culture
• 21:20
  where it's like Yep.
• 21:21
  The grades and the the accolades and and
• 21:25
  accolades of men,
• 21:28
  men, women.
• 21:28
  I'm saying men in a generic term.
• 21:31
  But
• 21:31
  Rachael Lampa: Okay.
• 21:31
  Yeah.
• 21:32
  Lisa Nichols: The accolades of other humans Yeah.
• 21:35
  Can be a very addictive
• 21:39
  Yes.
• 21:40
  Thing.
• 21:40
  Don't you think?
• 21:41
  Rachael Lampa: Comparison.
• 21:43
  Oh my gosh.
• 21:44
  It is the thief of joy.
• 21:46
  Like, it is just not,
• 21:49
  yeah, that was that was a really hard road for me, was just watching
• 21:53
  my peers who weren't burnt out, you know, and watching,
• 21:57
  you know, my friends, like, you know, get on some fun
• 22:02
  tour.
• 22:02
  And I'm like, I left that.
• 22:04
  I I did it on purpose, but I I was you know,
• 22:09
  what was I thinking?
• 22:10
  And
• 22:10
  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
• 22:11
  Rachael Lampa: Oh, it was yeah.
• 22:13
  There's there's just always a reason to to wrestle
• 22:17
  with that
• 22:19
  until, yeah, until you do really decide
• 22:23
  to believe, like, that that's not the way that love
• 22:28
  works.
• 22:28
  Right.
• 22:29
  No.
• 22:29
  Lisa Nichols: I agree.
• 22:30
  And that your worth is not tied to that.
• 22:33
  Right?
• 22:33
  And so
• 22:34
  Rachael Lampa: That's right.
• 22:34
  Lisa Nichols: They're so That's
• 22:35
  Rachael Lampa: right.
• 22:36
  Lisa Nichols: So deep.
• 22:37
  So, basically, I mean, it's really deep.
• 22:40
  Well, I'm gonna ask you one more question, then we have to take a
• 22:43
  really quick break.
• 22:44
  Okay.
• 22:46
  But, you know, you went on, and I love this.
• 22:48
  I've not been able to watch your homefulness
• 22:53
  documentary yet, but I'm going to because I know that you guys have a
• 22:57
  a documentary out there.
• 22:58
  But I think your big brother started loving Nashville,
• 23:03
  people loving Nashville.
• 23:04
  Nashville.
• 23:04
  Rachael Lampa: Yeah.
• 23:05
  I'm
• 23:05
  Lisa Nichols: home.
• 23:06
  You became a part of that.
• 23:07
  I think I think your whole family got involved, and it's become a really
• 23:12
  sacred weekly rhythm.
• 23:13
  In fact, I think I remember reading somewhere, and this could have been
• 23:17
  earlier on.
• 23:18
  You may have missed a few, but, by now.
• 23:21
  But I think I read where you never even missed a Monday night.
• 23:25
  Tell Yeah.
• 23:26
  Our listeners about people loving Nashville.
• 23:29
  Rachael Lampa: Yeah.
• 23:29
  So my brother started this nonprofit in in Nashville.
• 23:34
  There's a big long backstory, but, basically, you know,
• 23:38
  we grew up me and my siblings grew up, you know, with when we
• 23:43
  had extra food, my mom would take us to to downtown Boulder,
• 23:47
  and she'd say, go go make some friends, see if anybody's hungry out there,
• 23:50
  and she just kinda let us go.
• 23:52
  I'm sure she watched more than we remember she watched, you know, like Right.
• 23:56
  In our in our minds, she kicked us out of the minivan, and we
• 23:59
  were, you know, out there for hours, but I'm sure she was right behind
• 24:01
  us.
• 24:02
  Right.
• 24:03
  But we so we've always, had a big emphasis in our family
• 24:07
  on taking care of of others.
• 24:09
  And,
• 24:10
  and so it was a very natural thing for my brother to just kinda
• 24:14
  go out there and and bring his extra food out.
• 24:17
  And he ended up meeting a couple friends.
• 24:19
  And they said, hey, you bring friends and I'll bring friends, you know, and
• 24:22
  we should do this again next week.
• 24:23
  And then it just kind of kept going and through through, you know,
• 24:28
  a lot of, back and forth with with God.
• 24:32
  It it ended up becoming a a every Monday night thing.
• 24:35
  And for seventeen years, we People Loving Nashville has never missed a Monday night.
• 24:40
  So, you know, it started with, and and so on
• 24:44
  Monday night, it's basically a a block party in in downtown
• 24:48
  Nashville.
• 24:50
  You know, started with, you know, two two people and grew.
• 24:55
  It's about five hundred people now, that come down to to get
• 24:59
  food and to get clothing.
• 25:00
  We have shower trucks.
• 25:01
  We have, street barbers.
• 25:04
  We have, you know, clinics and pet clinics and
• 25:09
  kind of just whoever wants to show up and help, we we we let
• 25:13
  them in.
• 25:13
  It's a it's a block party, and so it's end up becoming this, like,
• 25:16
  really beautiful community, real friendships.
• 25:20
  We've obviously partnered with the city at this point, and they have,
• 25:24
  really been helping us get people rehoused,
• 25:27
  and rehabbed and,
• 25:30
  recovered and just kind of all the things that it takes to to help
• 25:34
  each other.
• 25:35
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 25:35
  Yeah.
• 25:36
  Yeah.
• 25:36
  Rachael Lampa: Totally.
• 25:38
  To keep thriving.
• 25:39
  And so it's been, the the yeah.
• 25:41
  The the one thing in in our our family's life, but
• 25:45
  even beyond,
• 25:47
  that has, you know, given given, like, for me, it was
• 25:51
  the one thing that gave me meaning again to to do music again
• 25:55
  and that, you know, that's kind of further down the line.
• 25:58
  But that was that that's kind of the thing that No.
• 26:01
  Lisa Nichols: Be it.
• 26:01
  Rachael Lampa: That really kept my my heart.
• 26:03
  Lisa Nichols: Right.
• 26:04
  I I love it.
• 26:04
  And it was just it was a grassroots effort, you know?
• 26:07
  Very much.
• 26:09
  It's a very much of a grassroots, and now it's grown and stuff.
• 26:11
  And so, listeners, go out, Google People Loving Nashville.
• 26:15
  You'll find out all about the organization.
• 26:18
  And like I said, they've got a documentary out there called Homefulness
• 26:24
  Yeah.
• 26:24
  Which I'm really looking forward to sitting down and watching with our family.
• 26:27
  But we do need to take a quick break, and we'll be right back
• 26:30
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  Lisa Nichols: Welcome back, everyone, to the Something Extra podcast with my friend, Rachel
• 27:08
  Lampa.
• 27:08
  We've just been having such a great time.
• 27:10
  Well, Rachel, I would love for you to talk about this a little bit
• 27:13
  because we just talked about people loving Nashville.
• 27:17
  Then you started working in the prisons, in the women prisons.
• 27:21
  And, you know, what did that teach you about worth
• 27:26
  and identity?
• 27:26
  What did you learn working in the prisons?
• 27:30
  Rachael Lampa: Yeah.
• 27:31
  You know, for me, it was like it was like this instant
• 27:35
  community, you know, of of women.
• 27:39
  We started to, you know, we we ran things like
• 27:43
  AA, ACA.
• 27:46
  We did songwriting classes.
• 27:49
  We did,
• 27:51
  gosh,
• 27:52
  just kind of we we put together bouquets of flowers together.
• 27:56
  Like, you know, we just found reasons to be together,
• 28:00
  to to talk about real life, real
• 28:04
  things, and to the thing about those walls,
• 28:09
  you know, is that there is this sense of, like, why not just
• 28:13
  be be all that we are?
• 28:16
  Be honest.
• 28:17
  Let it lay it out on the table, and let's see if we can
• 28:20
  do some healing.
• 28:21
  You know?
• 28:22
  And and it was the same for all of us who came in to
• 28:26
  serve.
• 28:26
  Like, we all came in with our own pain and our own questions
• 28:30
  and our own stories and, you know, I was walking in with all this
• 28:34
  identity stuff, you know, and You're,
• 28:36
  Lisa Nichols: you're figuring they probably helped you figure stuff.
• 28:39
  Rachael Lampa: A million percent.
• 28:40
  I will say that till the till the last day.
• 28:43
  Like, we we all spoken to each other's lives.
• 28:46
  You know?
• 28:46
  And, and so I think that that of of anything
• 28:50
  is like, hey.
• 28:52
  We our stories there are a lot of different ways to live life.
• 28:56
  Our stories are all gonna look very different, but they're also gonna look
• 29:00
  really, really similar.
• 29:01
  And and I think that that was, like, such a big,
• 29:06
  you know, thing for me was to just sit somewhere and connect with people
• 29:10
  with nothing to lose and nothing nothing maybe nothing to gain.
• 29:14
  Like, it just was we just were, you know, we were just human together,
• 29:19
  without, you know, taking selfies and without, you know, talking
• 29:23
  about it, outside.
• 29:26
  But what we one thing that we did was we we called ourselves the
• 29:29
  wild ones.
• 29:30
  So we had, like, this this group, like, you know, that would, like, go
• 29:33
  through different classes and stuff together, and we were the it was called the
• 29:36
  wild ones.
• 29:37
  And part of it was we would read about about the wild ones of
• 29:41
  the Bible
• 29:42
  and that Jesus being the wildest one.
• 29:45
  Jesus being the one who pushed pushed buttons.
• 29:48
  You know?
• 29:49
  Mhmm.
• 29:49
  He was yeah.
• 29:50
  Radical love and, did things the way to me and
• 29:54
  made a lot of people really uncomfortable about the way that he treat treated,
• 29:59
  you know, the poor and women and, so he pushed against,
• 30:04
  you know, and so to be able to, like, find ourselves in that story
• 30:08
  and not that the cookie cutter, you know, story that that we
• 30:12
  may have been given growing up that might have made us feel like we're
• 30:16
  out of we're we're we're outcasts, you know, or we've we ruined it.
• 30:20
  We messed it all up, you know, whatever the story is that we want
• 30:24
  to tell ourselves.
• 30:24
  Yes.
• 30:25
  And so to be able to, like, see yourself in this story together
• 30:29
  and,
• 30:31
  and see see yourself being seen,
• 30:36
  you know, by God and by by each other.
• 30:39
  Lisa Nichols: Wow.
• 30:40
  I
• 30:40
  Rachael Lampa: don't feel like invisible anymore.
• 30:44
  Despite mistakes and despite,
• 30:47
  really hard upbringings and really hard,
• 30:52
  childhood traumas and all of this stuff.
• 30:56
  Yeah.
• 30:56
  So, so to be able to just exist together,
• 31:02
  that that was it.
• 31:03
  That's the thing that God told me is, like, you're you are
• 31:07
  important and you are purposeful because you're you exist, because you're alive,
• 31:11
  because because you're a child of God, and that's it.
• 31:13
  That's the only title you need.
• 31:16
  And I think you find that out too.
• 31:18
  I think a lot of of the inmates found it found that out in
• 31:21
  prison too.
• 31:21
  It was just like, this is this is,
• 31:25
  all you have all you need to to to live
• 31:30
  a flourishing purposeful life because all you need is the
• 31:34
  heart that's beating in in you and that I created,
• 31:38
  you know.
• 31:38
  And so I I found I I really
• 31:42
  refound that that real life
• 31:48
  God, you know, again, while working in in prison.
• 31:51
  Lisa Nichols: So beautiful.
• 31:53
  I love that.
• 31:53
  I love that you called Jesus the wild one.
• 31:56
  Rachael Lampa: Yeah.
• 31:57
  Yeah.
• 31:57
  I love that.
• 31:58
  You know?
• 31:59
  Because At first people are like, like, oh, I don't know.
• 32:01
  But, you know,
• 32:02
  Lisa Nichols: he did.
• 32:03
  He did kind of what do they call it?
• 32:05
  Kick against the goats.
• 32:07
  I Yeah.
• 32:07
  You know?
• 32:08
  Like, I'm I'm just thinking when you were saying that, I was thinking, yeah.
• 32:12
  I mean, he was kinda wild.
• 32:13
  He was very radical.
• 32:15
  Because I'm I was thinking about the woman at the well, you know, and
• 32:18
  the Samaritan woman at the well.
• 32:19
  And she's like, why are you talking to me?
• 32:21
  I'm a I'm a Samaritan.
• 32:23
  Jews and Samaritans don't talk.
• 32:25
  And especially men did not talk to the women.
• 32:29
  Right?
• 32:29
  And That's right.
• 32:30
  And she had you know, it was at noon, and none of the women
• 32:33
  came at noon because it was too hot.
• 32:35
  But God
• 32:35
  Rachael Lampa: That's right.
• 32:36
  Lisa Nichols: Just knew all about her.
• 32:37
  Yeah.
• 32:37
  But
• 32:38
  Rachael Lampa: Yes.
• 32:38
  That's right.
• 32:39
  Mean.
• 32:39
  Lisa Nichols: She felt
• 32:40
  Rachael Lampa: That's right.
• 32:40
  Lisa Nichols: Mean.
• 32:41
  Rachael Lampa: Yeah.
• 32:41
  That's right.
• 32:42
  Exactly.
• 32:42
  That's right.
• 32:43
  Lisa Nichols: Beautiful.
• 32:44
  Well, I wanna talk about this because because of that, you wrote
• 32:48
  another song that,
• 32:51
  in fact, a friend of mine, when I was telling her about you and
• 32:55
  that you're what we're gonna talk about that I'm really excited about,
• 32:59
  she's like, oh my goodness.
• 33:01
  She goes, perfectly loved is, like, my favorite song.
• 33:05
  So you wrote perfectly loved
• 33:07
  Rachael Lampa: Yes.
• 33:07
  Lisa Nichols: Because of that experience.
• 33:09
  And I I know it won, I believe, a K LOVE award
• 33:13
  Yes.
• 33:14
  At least.
• 33:15
  Such a beautiful song.
• 33:17
  So so Thank you.
• 33:18
  Listeners, go listen to the song.
• 33:21
  Go Yeah.
• 33:23
  Listen to the song perfectly, love.
• 33:24
  It's really beautiful.
• 33:26
  But that really is what got you returning to music.
• 33:29
  Yep.
• 33:30
  Right?
• 33:30
  That's right.
• 33:30
  Rachel.
• 33:31
  Rachael Lampa: That was it.
• 33:32
  Yeah.
• 33:32
  I I saw how how music
• 33:37
  affected
• 33:39
  so, like, because I feel like
• 33:43
  you're you have, like, a really honest podcast.
• 33:47
  Yes.
• 33:47
  Say, like, I was so I was so jaded about Christian music at
• 33:51
  that point.
• 33:52
  I was like, I don't wanna do it again.
• 33:54
  I feel like I've I feel like it's all been said.
• 33:56
  It's all been sung.
• 33:58
  It's just repeating over and over.
• 34:00
  I what what could I say, you know, that could add to it?
• 34:04
  And,
• 34:06
  and so I kind of had this little this jadedness in me, and I
• 34:09
  sat there with these women in this prison, and they started playing some of
• 34:13
  these songs.
• 34:14
  They started playing, like, K LOVE and stuff, and I started seeing women, like,
• 34:17
  be, like,
• 34:19
  like, completely come alive again and, like like,
• 34:24
  totally release things that they needed to release and accept things they
• 34:28
  needed to accept through this music.
• 34:30
  And then all of a sudden, I just was like,
• 34:34
  oh, I get it now.
• 34:35
  Like, I I had gotten so, like, hard hearted
• 34:39
  towards it that I just forgot that that there's a whole other
• 34:44
  that that that God is doing a whole other thing on top of all
• 34:47
  this, and it's not just, Yeah.
• 34:50
  It's not just words and and notes, you know.
• 34:52
  It's like it's a whole thing.
• 34:54
  Yeah.
• 34:55
  And I was like, I wanna be part of that again.
• 34:56
  Yeah.
• 34:57
  You know, I wanna I wanna do that again.
• 34:59
  And so and that's and so COVID came along, and we weren't able to
• 35:03
  go back in.
• 35:03
  And so I wanted to write a song to send back into the girls,
• 35:08
  to let them know what my time with them meant and what
• 35:12
  I learned, and that was that was
• 35:16
  Lisa Nichols: So beautiful.
• 35:17
  Yeah.
• 35:17
  Well, I'm just thinking too I'm just thinking too, Rachel, as
• 35:21
  we're talking, I'm thinking, you know, these women were in prison.
• 35:25
  Rachael Lampa: Yeah.
• 35:27
  Lisa Nichols: But music helped them find freedom.
• 35:30
  Yes.
• 35:30
  You know?
• 35:31
  So they are in prison, but they are finding freedom
• 35:35
  Rachael Lampa: Yep.
• 35:35
  Lisa Nichols: In in that situation, you know, through the music and
• 35:40
  through the time that you guys are spending and you you introducing them
• 35:44
  to to Jesus, basically.
• 35:46
  Rachael Lampa: Yep.
• 35:46
  Yep.
• 35:47
  Your heart can be free.
• 35:48
  You can be locked away, but your heart can be free.
• 35:51
  Mhmm.
• 35:51
  That's absolutely what what was happening.
• 35:53
  Lisa Nichols: So beautiful.
• 35:54
  Yeah.
• 35:54
  Well, this is what I'm really excited about talking about.
• 35:58
  Rachael Lampa: Yeah.
• 35:59
  Lisa Nichols: Why, you know, when our friend Tommy sent me this this song, I'm
• 36:03
  just like, what?
• 36:04
  Just balling.
• 36:05
  You know?
• 36:06
  But you're a mom.
• 36:08
  You're a mom to Jackson and Leo.
• 36:10
  You know?
• 36:11
  What has motherhood really revealed to you about God's heart toward you?
• 36:17
  Rachael Lampa: Oh my gosh.
• 36:17
  Well, I think it it further cemented
• 36:21
  that you don't have to do anything to deserve love
• 36:25
  and to deserve, purpose.
• 36:28
  Yeah.
• 36:28
  Like, you literally just have to exist because, you know, we hear that
• 36:32
  our whole lives, and we're like, I'm sure I'm sure God loves me like
• 36:35
  that.
• 36:36
  Whatever.
• 36:37
  But then you start loving your kid, and you're like, oh my gosh.
• 36:41
  You could say the worst thing to me.
• 36:43
  You could be the biggest brat,
• 36:47
  and I'm still gonna be so obsessed with you.
• 36:50
  Yes.
• 36:51
  I might need to take a few breaths, but I'm still gonna
• 36:55
  love you like I can't I like I could never stop,
• 36:59
  Lisa Nichols: you know.
• 37:00
  Rachael Lampa: And so, you know, being able to see the
• 37:04
  mirror of his love for me down to
• 37:08
  my kids,
• 37:10
  was pretty, yeah, was pretty, like, monumental
• 37:14
  for me.
• 37:15
  Yeah.
• 37:15
  Finally, really being able to understand that.
• 37:18
  But yeah.
• 37:19
  And then, you know, just getting to return to the childlike faith,
• 37:23
  you know, again, and just just thinking simply, and trying
• 37:27
  to think at their level, and trying to,
• 37:32
  you know, reframe the way that I approach people,
• 37:37
  having more grace and kindness and,
• 37:43
  patience and gentleness.
• 37:45
  Yes.
• 37:47
  Patience.
• 37:48
  Yes.
• 37:49
  But yeah.
• 37:50
  Yeah.
• 37:50
  So all those things.
• 37:51
  Lisa Nichols: All those things.
• 37:52
  Yeah.
• 37:53
  I I have often said, you know, nothing has kept me quite on my
• 37:57
  knees Yeah.
• 37:58
  And is dependent
• 38:01
  as being a mom, seriously.
• 38:03
  But this is I wanna this is the song that Tommy sent to me.
• 38:07
  It's called Superpowers.
• 38:08
  Yes.
• 38:09
  And, again, when I when I listened to this
• 38:13
  song, I mean, I just I started weeping.
• 38:15
  But you wrote this about Leo.
• 38:18
  And Leo is your little three year old that was born with Down
• 38:22
  syndrome.
• 38:23
  I I,
• 38:25
  you know, and people that know me know they know Ali.
• 38:28
  In fact, they may know Ali and not know me.
• 38:32
  Rachael Lampa: I've been finding that out too with Leo.
• 38:35
  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
• 38:36
  Yes.
• 38:38
  How has Leo really expanding your definition of strength,
• 38:43
  Rachel?
• 38:45
  Rachael Lampa: He has yeah.
• 38:46
  That's that's right.
• 38:47
  It it's not it he has made me stronger, but he has redefined
• 38:51
  strength to me for sure.
• 38:53
  Lisa Nichols: No doubt.
• 38:54
  Rachael Lampa: Strength is like so much more of an internal,
• 39:02
  muscle internal, like,
• 39:06
  striving.
• 39:07
  Like, there's there's something like that,
• 39:11
  wants to never give up.
• 39:13
  Like, I know that I will I will be,
• 39:18
  like, running his race with him till
• 39:22
  far beyond being able to run.
• 39:25
  You know?
• 39:25
  Like, I I I won't ever stop.
• 39:27
  Like, there's just strength is is such a such
• 39:31
  a long game.
• 39:33
  It's, it's also such a present thing.
• 39:36
  Mhmm.
• 39:38
  There's something so, so present about these little
• 39:43
  these little beings with Down syndrome.
• 39:45
  There's something that's so just immediate and right there.
• 39:49
  Right,
• 39:52
  right, like, between the two, like, that that connection,
• 39:56
  that eye contact, that just there's, like,
• 39:58
  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
• 40:00
  Rachael Lampa: Everything else fades away, you know.
• 40:02
  And then And it it causes
• 40:05
  Lisa Nichols: It's so bizarre.
• 40:05
  It's so pure.
• 40:06
  Rachael Lampa: It's so pure.
• 40:07
  So pure.
• 40:07
  And it causes you to do that with everyone else too.
• 40:10
  It's not like this exclusive club.
• 40:12
  It's like, oh, you're giving me this so that I can give this to
• 40:15
  the world too and to my other kids and, you know, just
• 40:20
  beyond.
• 40:20
  It's just amazing how yeah.
• 40:22
  Lisa Nichols: We can just talk about this, the high end time.
• 40:25
  I know.
• 40:27
  Rachael Lampa: I start just
• 40:28
  Lisa Nichols: yapping.
• 40:29
  Yes.
• 40:29
  Well and I'm gonna send you, the Something Extra book
• 40:33
  of my Something Extra book that just came out in September.
• 40:36
  And and, yeah, you and I, I mean, we just get it.
• 40:41
  We get it because Yeah.
• 40:42
  Like you said, the way that you interact with him has
• 40:46
  caused you to interact differently with other people.
• 40:49
  And I would say I say this all the time and it is the
• 40:52
  honest truth.
• 40:53
  Ally is one of my greatest teachers.
• 40:55
  I've learned so much
• 40:58
  about life.
• 40:59
  I've learned so much about how to live.
• 41:01
  I've learned so much about people.
• 41:03
  I've learned so much about leadership.
• 41:06
  Rachael Lampa: Oh my gosh.
• 41:07
  I'm so
• 41:08
  Lisa Nichols: of Ali.
• 41:09
  I really have.
• 41:10
  So
• 41:11
  Rachael Lampa: I love that.
• 41:11
  Yeah.
• 41:11
  I mean, I I I say this a lot too, like, with when people
• 41:15
  ask, like, why why did I call it superpowers?
• 41:18
  I I I just think that, you know, especially when you said leadership, I'm
• 41:21
  like, yeah.
• 41:22
  That's that's such a good one.
• 41:24
  Mhmm.
• 41:24
  It's like there's
• 41:26
  he does lead our family in certain ways.
• 41:28
  We, you know, we're my my my older son Jackson is like this soccer
• 41:32
  star.
• 41:33
  He's so amazing.
• 41:34
  He's just like this just athletic, like, you know, beyond
• 41:38
  I just I'm like, you know, his biggest fan, obviously.
• 41:41
  Yeah.
• 41:41
  And me and me and my husband, we both work, and we're always you
• 41:44
  know, we're ideas people, and we're just going, going, going.
• 41:47
  So Leo, he is this guy that, like, you know, anytime
• 41:51
  I'm about to, like, change his diaper or, like, put him in his car
• 41:54
  seat or anytime I'm really truly just in a hurry, he stops everything
• 41:58
  and he goes,
• 42:00
  and he puts his arms out and he's, like, I think we got a
• 42:04
  hug, and I'm, like, I totally don't have time for a hug, but I'm
• 42:07
  gonna do it because you're the cutest thing I've ever seen in my life.
• 42:10
  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
• 42:11
  Rachael Lampa: And somehow there's just always time for this hug.
• 42:15
  Uh-huh.
• 42:16
  And there's always it's like he creates time.
• 42:18
  Like and so I that's when I started to be like, oh, you've got
• 42:21
  superpowers.
• 42:22
  Like Uh-huh.
• 42:23
  You created time where there wasn't time, and you created connection
• 42:28
  where where there wasn't connection.
• 42:29
  You create a connection when there was a hurry, you know.
• 42:32
  And you created and and, like, you know, you were saying, like,
• 42:36
  leadership is, like, you created this new way to think about this
• 42:41
  this whatever's in front of us, because you have superpowers
• 42:45
  that we don't have.
• 42:46
  You know?
• 42:46
  And,
• 42:48
  Lisa Nichols: it's so good.
• 42:49
  Sometimes and Ally will remember me or or she'll remind me sometimes,
• 42:53
  you know, she can tell that I'm getting anxious.
• 42:56
  And she'll say, take a breath.
• 43:00
  Rachael Lampa: Oh, so
• 43:00
  Lisa Nichols: sweet.
• 43:00
  Take a breath, mom.
• 43:02
  You know?
• 43:02
  And, I will tell you one thing.
• 43:05
  I've never said this on the podcast.
• 43:06
  I've never said this on the podcast, but I'm gonna say it to you.
• 43:09
  Before every podcast, Rachel, she prays for me.
• 43:13
  She does.
• 43:14
  And prays that the podcast goes well.
• 43:17
  And she'll always add this.
• 43:19
  She goes, and help them not to laugh at my mom.
• 43:23
  Rachael Lampa: I don't know what
• 43:24
  Lisa Nichols: where that comes from, but she does every time I know it's
• 43:29
  coming.
• 43:29
  You know, she's like, yeah.
• 43:30
  Help them not to laugh at my mom, but but she prays before
• 43:34
  every podcast.
• 43:35
  That's true.
• 43:36
  And just that it will be a sacred time and that the words
• 43:40
  that come out from you, come out from me will be what our listeners
• 43:44
  need to hear.
• 43:45
  You know, it's just so beautiful.
• 43:46
  Rachael Lampa: Oh, that's beautiful, Sanctuary.
• 43:48
  Lisa Nichols: Beautiful.
• 43:49
  I know.
• 43:49
  I know.
• 43:50
  I know.
• 43:51
  So let's talk about this, you know, and then we're gonna talk about something
• 43:55
  extra.
• 43:56
  You know, guarding your worth, you know, when
• 44:01
  when applause and metrics are no longer the measuring stick, you know,
• 44:05
  I mean, how, you know, how how do you
• 44:09
  think about your worth?
• 44:11
  And I I I and you've kind of already said it, but I'd love
• 44:14
  for you to repeat that.
• 44:15
  And then I want to talk about a healthy yes.
• 44:19
  Right?
• 44:19
  Because, you know and, Rachel, I'm getting my EA,
• 44:23
  whom you have met, will tell you this.
• 44:26
  I'm getting so much better at this.
• 44:28
  But making sure that I understand for Lisa Nichols
• 44:33
  what are the most important things and prioritizing those so
• 44:37
  I'm not saying yes to everything.
• 44:39
  Because when we say yes to one thing, it means that we're saying no
• 44:42
  to something else.
• 44:43
  Right?
• 44:43
  Yeah.
• 44:44
  And it's really hard.
• 44:45
  And I'm I'm a person, you know, I kinda grew up, you know, with
• 44:48
  this kind of people pleasing.
• 44:50
  I would I don't wanna disappoint you, and I I, you know, I wanna
• 44:52
  make you happy.
• 44:53
  And so Yeah.
• 44:54
  But, you know, I would love for you to talk about worth, how you
• 44:58
  think about worth,
• 45:00
  and then the healthy yes and and boundaries that
• 45:04
  you put around yourself.
• 45:05
  Rachael Lampa: I love it.
• 45:06
  Okay.
• 45:07
  So for worth yeah.
• 45:10
  All this everything we've talked about is just like this this whole path
• 45:14
  is is, like, worth identity, all that purpose,
• 45:18
  all that stuff.
• 45:19
  And then along comes Leo, and it it, like,
• 45:24
  I can't tell you how much unlearning and
• 45:28
  healing happened at the same time.
• 45:30
  It was like I just like threw away this whole
• 45:35
  this whole thing I was hanging on to about about thinking that I can
• 45:39
  deserve
• 45:41
  and or I can earn earn love.
• 45:43
  You don't have to earn love.
• 45:45
  You you you can you are beautiful and accepted and
• 45:49
  loved and known exactly where you're at.
• 45:53
  Even if you you're at the most invisible that you've ever felt.
• 45:57
  Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
• 45:57
  Rachael Lampa: I mean, for me, like like, having a newborn
• 46:02
  was my especially with Jackson, my first kid, was one of the most invisible
• 46:06
  times I've ever felt.
• 46:07
  I've I've never just, like, had to, like, stay in, you know, like
• 46:11
  that and just kinda be, like, so, you know, just like in the depths
• 46:15
  of, like, feeding troubles and all that kind of stuff and had a little
• 46:18
  bit of with that of that with Leo too.
• 46:22
  So to to learn that, to have that new that
• 46:27
  new voice just running through my head, like, if I'm gonna
• 46:31
  if I'm gonna teach that to him because I wholeheartedly believe
• 46:35
  and know that he is the most worthy
• 46:39
  child, just as worthy as any other child in the world.
• 46:43
  So if I'm gonna teach him that, then I need to believe it myself.
• 46:46
  And so I have to continue to speak that over
• 46:50
  him and over myself every single day and not not feel like I have
• 46:54
  to be perfect at it and Yes.
• 46:56
  And not not dwell on it if I if I have if I
• 47:00
  fall into those mindsets again, but I have to keep resetting.
• 47:04
  And he is the perfect way to reset,
• 47:07
  to reset that because I I see it in him every single day.
• 47:11
  Yeah.
• 47:12
  So yeah.
• 47:12
  Lisa Nichols: I love that you said that every day.
• 47:15
  That you have to speak.
• 47:16
  It's not a one and done.
• 47:17
  No.
• 47:18
  Right?
• 47:18
  It's not.
• 47:19
  I mean, we need to constantly be monitoring what's coming into
• 47:23
  here That's right.
• 47:24
  The mind.
• 47:25
  Rachael Lampa: In a loving way.
• 47:26
  Like, we can lovingly do that and not beat ourselves up.
• 47:29
  I think we beat ourselves up when we when we think that it is
• 47:33
  a one and done, and we're like, oh, I should've learned this by now.
• 47:35
  I should've should've should've.
• 47:36
  You know?
• 47:36
  And it's like, no.
• 47:37
  Just lovingly, like, come back.
• 47:40
  Yes.
• 47:40
  You know?
• 47:40
  Lisa Nichols: That's good.
• 47:41
  That's a good word.
• 47:43
  Love it.
• 47:44
  Well, what about healthy yeses?
• 47:46
  Rachael Lampa: Healthy yeses.
• 47:47
  So, this might be a little bit of, like, a song answer.
• 47:51
  Okay.
• 47:52
  I love it.
• 47:53
  Lisa Nichols: New song.
• 47:53
  New song.
• 47:54
  Rachael Lampa: It's a little more like
• 47:56
  Lisa Nichols: I don't know what
• 47:57
  Rachael Lampa: you would call it.
• 47:57
  Maybe it's musically
• 47:59
  worded, but I I heard this thing,
• 48:04
  that really helped me because I think sometimes we
• 48:08
  I I I want to like have this like perfectly balanced life, like
• 48:12
  yeses and noes, and yeses and noes, and this and this.
• 48:16
  And I realized like again, like, I'll beat myself up if I
• 48:20
  if I if I get off kilter at all.
• 48:24
  And so I heard this concept of, like, maybe instead of having this perfectly
• 48:28
  balanced thing, maybe it's get better at harmony.
• 48:32
  At, like, being in harmony with when things aren't quite black and white
• 48:36
  Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
• 48:37
  Rachael Lampa: And aren't quite, like, a yes and aren't quite a no.
• 48:40
  And maybe we can give a little bit of ourselves to to something
• 48:44
  on this side, but maybe not my whole entire being, you know.
• 48:48
  Maybe and and maybe that's harder for a perfectionist.
• 48:51
  I don't know if you're a perfectionist.
• 48:53
  I just learned that I was one.
• 48:55
  I had no idea that I was one.
• 48:56
  Somebody told me I was a therapist told me, and I was like, oh,
• 48:59
  yep.
• 49:00
  I think you're right.
• 49:01
  So to be able to just say, hey.
• 49:03
  Like, I can give you ten minutes of my
• 49:07
  time for this, and I can give you, I maybe I can't write,
• 49:12
  you know, a a twenty page, you know,
• 49:16
  reflection on this thing, but I could I could give you a really good
• 49:20
  voice note.
• 49:21
  You know?
• 49:21
  Sure.
• 49:22
  Lisa Nichols: You know?
• 49:22
  Yeah.
• 49:22
  That's
• 49:23
  Rachael Lampa: good.
• 49:23
  Just get creative.
• 49:26
  And,
• 49:28
  and then that way, when you do wanna when something is tugging
• 49:32
  at your heart and you wanna go fully in on it, you can bring
• 49:36
  you can bring balance to it in its own different in its own way.
• 49:39
  You know?
• 49:40
  And so just that concept of, like, harmony over perfection
• 49:44
  Lisa Nichols: I love it.
• 49:45
  Has been Yeah.
• 49:46
  It's rich.
• 49:46
  That's really rich, Rachel.
• 49:48
  I love it.
• 49:49
  Well, I'm just gonna say, I am so grateful.
• 49:52
  I'm gonna announce this.
• 49:53
  I'm so grateful that you said yes to a request that
• 49:57
  I had this year.
• 50:00
  It is the Gateway Down Syndrome Association of St.
• 50:03
  Louis' fiftieth anniversary.
• 50:06
  And so they had asked me to co chair, and how could I say
• 50:10
  no to that.
• 50:11
  Right?
• 50:12
  Co chairing with, the amazing Ray Kliman, this,
• 50:16
  CHRO for, for RGA here, Reinsurance
• 50:20
  Group of America here in St.
• 50:22
  Louis.
• 50:22
  Okay.
• 50:23
  And after I heard that song, I'm like, wow.
• 50:26
  I wonder if Rachel would come for the fiftieth.
• 50:29
  And you are coming on November the fourteenth at
• 50:33
  the tenth Park Plaza.
• 50:35
  So I am so grateful that you said yes to that.
• 50:37
  And, Leo, God willing, and that the Creek Don't Rise is gonna come with
• 50:41
  you and come up with your band.
• 50:43
  And so, so, so, so excited about that.
• 50:47
  So thank you.
• 50:48
  Oh, we're so, so excited.
• 50:49
  So much for saying yes.
• 50:51
  And you may even make it a family affair.
• 50:53
  Rachael Lampa: I I'm gonna try.
• 50:54
  Yes.
• 50:54
  Lisa Nichols: Because Jenny and I have been telling you about how wonderful.
• 50:57
  I mean, Saint Louis has so much to offer.
• 51:00
  Rachael Lampa: Oh my gosh.
• 51:01
  I love it there.
• 51:02
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah?
• 51:03
  I love it.
• 51:03
  Big shout out to Dwight Scott, the CEO for Saint Louis Zoo
• 51:08
  and our good friend, Jennifer Walton, the number one zoo.
• 51:11
  I said it's the number one zoo in the country.
• 51:13
  So you've got your whole family.
• 51:15
  Rachael Lampa: St.
• 51:15
  Louis some rave reviews.
• 51:17
  Yes.
• 51:17
  Yes.
• 51:18
  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
• 51:18
  So well, this is called something extra, Rachel.
• 51:23
  And this is the question that I ask every guest that comes on the
• 51:26
  show.
• 51:27
  What do you believe is something extra that every leader needs?
• 51:32
  Rachael Lampa: Oh,
• 51:33
  okay.
• 51:34
  Let's see.
• 51:35
  Every leader.
• 51:37
  Well,
• 51:39
  I would say that that
• 51:43
  so so I'm gonna I'm gonna bring Leo back in because I think this
• 51:47
  is the thing that has has helped me,
• 51:51
  actually build build time into my day
• 51:54
  Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
• 51:55
  Rachael Lampa: Is to is to take away time and and and
• 51:59
  save it for the things that fill you, that fill your heart.
• 52:03
  And whether that's a a point of connection with with your kids,
• 52:08
  if it's a hug, if it's a literal hug like with Leo Yes.
• 52:12
  If it's if it's if there's something that your heart needs and you don't
• 52:16
  think you have time for it, I dare you to take the time.
• 52:20
  And and I I dare you to come back and say that you lost
• 52:24
  that time.
• 52:25
  And it's
• 52:26
  Lisa Nichols: so, so good.
• 52:27
  Yeah.
• 52:28
  I'm thinking sometimes we have to cut away.
• 52:31
  Right?
• 52:32
  Rachael Lampa: We have
• 52:32
  Lisa Nichols: to cut away.
• 52:33
  I'll just, a spiritual mentor of mine has been doctor Richard
• 52:38
  Blackaby.
• 52:39
  Okay.
• 52:39
  And years ago, I was sitting under him, and he was talking about
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  the scripture from Isaiah.
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  I think it's Isaiah forty three, and I can't remember the exact verse.
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  But it's like forgetting the things that are behind
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  and, you know, pushing toward those that are new and forget
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  those things.
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  Right?
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  And behold, I'm doing something new.
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  Rachael Lampa: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: And Doctor.
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  Blackaby, I'm telling you, Rachel, it hit like just a two by
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  four in the middle of the head.
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  And he's like, sometimes we are running so fast.
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  God wants to do something entirely new in our life, but we're running so
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  fast.
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  We've created no margin for that.
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  Rachael Lampa: Right.
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  That's right.
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  Lisa Nichols: And sometimes you have to cut away Yeah.
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  To make the time for the things that fill you up.
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  And, boy, it was,
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  yeah.
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  I made I made changes.
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  I made changes after that.
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  Huge changes.
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  Rachael Lampa: Yes.
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  That's awesome.
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  Lisa Nichols: And so it just reminds me so much of that.
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  But this has been such a delight.
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  Thank you so much.
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  And you've already had a full day.
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  Little Leo has already had his swimming lesson this morning.
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  Rachael Lampa: And I'm I'm literally in a swimsuit right now.
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  Right.
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  Exactly.
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  Lisa Nichols: Oh my gosh.
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  I love it.
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  Well, thank you again so much.
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  I just am so appreciative, and I just know our listeners are gonna
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  love, love, love this conversation with you.
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  Oh my goodness.
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  And, and hopefully, they'll come and see you in person on November
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  the fourteenth at the Chase Park Plaza.
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  Rachael Lampa: So So fun.
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  And can't wait.
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