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Kickstopper: Yogscast Kickstarter Collapse & Dawn of the Planet of the Apes · Multiple Nerdgasm

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I'm gonna rip you D Fu that is
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terrifying oh that's a new intro welcome to multiple
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nerdgasm your destination for all things nerdy welcome
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back well we're late as always uh I'd apologize but once again you guys do
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nothing for us so uh I don't feel like I ow anything mhh that's a solid intro
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indeed yeah indeed so without further Ado let's not at all like intros of
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previous podcasts no let's uh consistency Dan that's what the audience
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wants okay they want consistency we're giving them that I don't know I've long since given
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up on working on what they want I don't care about
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them I think if they listen to us talk every week we definitely don't know what
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they want every week that's a bit generous but all right all fine no I
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assume when when I think implying that they might give multiple listens to
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every Tri Weekly podcast that we bring out yeah that's what I'm saying if there
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a week we don't put one out I assume they just go back and listen to them you
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know all over again from the start yeah more insufferable punishment I can't
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possibly imagine um speaking of insufferable uh you guys familiar with
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the yogs cast yeah I'm familiar with the yogs cast so basically these guys ESS
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got famous Dan by doing Minecraft videos
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um not allting yeah they they did World of Warcraft videos first that's how they
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they got known mhm yeah yeah so it's just as exciting as you imagine anyway
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they raised a Kickstarter to develop a game um two guys who have no game
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experience no experience within the industry in which they were building the
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game and um but let me guess they're popular so tons of nerds gave them money
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yeah $500,000 and they lost it all [ __ ] well in in somewhat in their defense I
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mean I I do think they bid off way more than they could chew because they were
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trying to to get back at Notch um for something that I'll mention I'll I'll
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reveal later was that that slight not mine con
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oh okay yeah so the mine con not you know like Mojang organized mine con and
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apparently allegedly you know like I wasn't there I don't know them whatever
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apparently the yogs cast guys were to be at minec con and there was a bit of
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drama about it because apparently the yogs cast guys were a bit too big for
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their boots and were demanding this and demanding that and they wanted to be
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paid for this and that and no one else there it was being paid cuz it was just
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like a fun thing and and there was some bad blood and Lewis Brinley one Member
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One of the the two founders of Ys cast is Simon and Lewis are the two main guys
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Lewis apparently said something about not um should shut up and learn how to
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run a company or something like that and so I think there was a bit of bad blood
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there and so yog's cast were to build uh what do they call it um yog Adventures
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which was to be a like a mctish creation World adventure game
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thing and they were going to you know make their own game yeah sounds easy to
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build yep cool so they got six guys apparently six guys a company called
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winter cool from from La spell kwl sounds reputable yeah sounds that's a
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brand new company who' never made anything before but we're allegedly
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senior members of various other game development houses okay uh and all I
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should say all the um people involved I think are unnamed at this time except
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for the main guy the person who ran the company
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um but yeah apparently uh every there were six of them and they were
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individually promised $32,000 each and the rest of the money
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was going to go to various other things right with with $100,000 of it going to
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a senior programmer who would be the person who actually had to make the game
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right that person um never existed he was never hired apparently they couldn't
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find anyone because they'd spent the money H and one of the artists in
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particular again they haven't named him but apparently everybody was paid
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$32,000 in advance with no contracts or anything with no contracts y cont people
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who know how to run a company yeah yep and and then one guy one of the artists
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two weeks later said well I'm going to work for LucasArts so I'll see you later
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well that's funny cuz LucasArts don't exist anymore yeah but that the artist
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that I really think they should name cuz he accepted the the
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contract which didn't stipulate anything it basically said here's $32,000 please
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make our game yeah Y and then he but and because Lucas Arts won't let him work
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elsewhere he went sorry I've got this job that's going to pay me a lot more by
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you think maybe give back some of the money well he's not obliged to
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no and uh I'm just a nice person and if this happened to me I wouldn't keep it I
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would give not all of it I would too Luke you know what nice people get Luke
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nothing well they certainly don't get $32,000 do they Dan no they do
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not so after that debacle uh apparently Lewis from yogs cast said that he had no
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confidence in their ability to run a company this is winter call and he
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demanded that they sign all of the money that was left wasn't he running their
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company no no no yogs cast on behalf like winter cool so they they
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they farmed this out to someone else yeah this this company called say their
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name like it's red winter cool thank you were running this thing right and
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Yogscast kind of gave them the license to use their name and everything and
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said this you guys are making this game for us so and there it's kind of a bit
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gray to be honest because like I said after that Lewis said to them uh I don't
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believe that you can do this I don't believe you can you know how to run a
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company sign all the money over to us so that we can keep an eye on this because
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this is ridiculous and so all the rest of the money that was left $1
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something, was transferred to
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Yogscast and is apparently now gone and
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all gone where well all they've said is all the money that was given for the
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project was spent on the project and he doesn't feel obliged to to tell to say
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where it went at this time well look you're you're not under an obligation to
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actually deliver on a Kickstarter no it implies in the tnc's that all you have
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to do is make a decent attempt at it yes but that said usually people who are
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starting kickstarters are either filmmakers who have got everything lined
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up and they just need some cash or game developers who have got everything in
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place and they just need the money not people that just have a wish and want to
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hire somebody else to do something for them this is what
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happens if you give two 15year old kids $500,000 these guys are [ __ ] [ __ ]
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I think LS is like in his mid-30s and Simon no no no I no they're not they're
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not business well but have they made an actual genuine attempt they gave away
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Money for Nothing from what I understand from what yeah no I'm winter cool winter
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cool definitely negligent I think Lewis from what I understand even Lou Brinley
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is is um quite quite intelligent and it's it's he's the brains of Yogscast
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and he he does all the business stuff he just lost 500k so he can't be that brain
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again no no no in his defense they lost the money for him yes he was like the
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project manager of this right if I have $500,000 Matt I would have been in their
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office every day sitting next to them yeah no exactly right like if you are
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commissioning someone to do something you are [ __ ] on that you don't just
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give the money and go just give this out to whomever you think you want don't
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bother with contracts or anything and I'm certainly not going to be on your
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ass about that it gets worse then they're 2 years late on delivering oh
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yeah this happened in 20 2012 the this all was funny can we all just agree now
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that Kickstarter was a failure you know me for so many reasons no no no but
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there a lot of good stuff comes out of Kickstarter but then you've got stuff
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like this and then you've got that um did you see the guy the cartoonist who
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was going to make the book it was um I we talked about this once uh on the
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podcast very descriptive the guy with the B it was comics for sad children or
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something like that the guy who chucked an Nani because people kept asking him
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where the book was and he and then he posted a picture of him burning them all
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and said [ __ ] you all you're not getting them oh wow and I'm not giving the money
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back and like literally every time somebody he said every time someone
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sends me an email asking where they are I will post a video of me burning more
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of them wow wow that's bitter that's so yeah that that was a that was a
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success yeah he said yeah I think he said I've got no money leave me alone
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[ __ ] crowdfunding what a waste H God yeah so no yast game and uh well I'm
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sure it would have been great and I'm sure the world's really at a loss for
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not having the yast game well the other thing we know if there's actually
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anything that they could release no there's they never got a developer no
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all the all the the assets and things that they did managed to cuz I mean it
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was two years so they they just paid designers to come up with designs for
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[ __ ] they paid them tens of thousands of dollar but there is no actual game yeah
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they got they got they got someone to do all the art design essentially yeah yeah
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so three three artists got paid $30,000 each to come up with awesome Stu maybe
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they could just send people the book so they can flick through it
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pretend can I say one more thing about yast before we move on I'm sorry oh
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please they've done something else that I didn't I didn't think to put in here
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um around the same time that all this came out about the um the yog ventures
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the yog ventures gate um was it also no I just made that up I
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just coined that yeah um also they also announced a thing that they're calling
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yog Discovery cuz cuz they're [ __ ] idiots yeah but it's it's a a premise
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where a a game developer pay uh says to Yogscast we would like you to make
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videos about our game so for example the first game that is doing this is uh
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Space Engineers which um I've I think I've played Luke I think you've played
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it I haven't played it I just Luke gave me a copy I don't think I've installed
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it okay well that's the first game that's part of this thing and basically
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the way it works is um the people the developers making Space Engineers say to
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Yogscast we'd like you to make some videos about the game and in return for
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that yog cast based on the increase in sales after their videos come out get a
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percentage of the sales of the game that
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is yeah that is a an a flexible business
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model that's okay but but it's pretty weird right because I can kind of see
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how that sort of makes sense cuz if they're driving people to buy the game
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but on the other hand like they're not the only people making videos about
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games and that kind of many subscribers on YouTube they have very hard to
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attribute they have millions sales to one specific event though as far as I
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know Dave their videos get hundreds of thousands of views always that's my they
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do of course they used they used to anyway can someone watch someone else
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play Minecraft I can't think of anything more insufferably dull Simon is very funny I'm
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already playing Minecraft yeah so like that got old pretty quick mhm I still
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think about going back and making a new server if you make a server I'll come on
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but I don't like playing it on my own yeah let's just make videos and then
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we'll charge not money for for that for arbitrarily saying well some of those
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sales us I just think it's so weird I don't know why Developers I can see how
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they would agree from the point of view of of like trying to get generate more
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sales but it just seems such like a weird like a weird thing think if your
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sales are so [ __ ] that you're just like well this isn't going to hurt anything
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so we may as well I suppose if it does if it does boost sales then fine it's
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essentially advertising without paying for the advertising up front which yeah
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and you got to look there are that many Indie developers out there now that you
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do need to get your name out there somewhere yeah it's a noising Internet
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advertising it's expensive stupid [ __ ] to do videos of your game
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yeah one of the how do they how do they say Okay so the video comes out we sell
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10 more units in the couple of days after that video you get 10% of this like is that
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yeah I think I think that's how it works how you quantify that well one of the
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things that people and you know total biscuit he's another YouTuber who plays
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who does makes videos himself talking about play games total he was spot on
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with his his shock review he was just as [ __ ] pissed off at as I I like total
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bis I like total biscuit he got cancer at the moment poor guy has he yeah there
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you go well he said and I thought this was a valid point um I just want to
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point out that Matt doesn't care about cancer apparently I do care about
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cancer got cancer does he anyway moving on I'll send him a message what am I to
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talk about that do you what kind of answer is it Dave how about you a little bit passion
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man all right should we get him on to talk about his cancer we have one person
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to talk about cancer on this podcast that seat is taken that's right yes back
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off Turtle biscuit right but anyway he said that yogs cast
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are Trend Setters so therefore if they make a video about a game chances are
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all the little kids on YouTube are going to start making their videos about it
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like if if they do it everyone's going to do it and so it's this weird
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situation where how do they actually attribute which sales are for yast hold
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on hold on I just want to finish this thought I just want to finish this
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thought so if Simon sucks off his
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offsider Y and puts it on YouTube y then all these little 15-year-old kids are
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going to do the same thing is that is that other off yeah they'll suck Le us
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off too yeah right just and they're just riding this wave of SPO yeah that's
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right and somebody in a corporation goes well who do we pay for this we can't pay
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Simon for every [ __ ] that happened after that we can really only play him
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for the initial ones but it was him that inspired all these little boys to blow
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it but the other thing is and this is true as well what do you mean as well
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even if even if as well as all the kids sucking each other off fact also fact um
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even if the Yogscast make a video and then all these other people start making
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videos because Yogscast did did that still kind of gives them some credit for
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those sales in a way no I I see I see I see the logic but I also see how that
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and unless there's a direct like th% uptake it might be hard to quantify but
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yeah yeah I mean well and also I mean if Yogscast put a video up the same week
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that they changed something in their marketing then all they're going to do
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is argue oh no no no I think it was our new promo that did it not your uh not
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your video well yeah the people the developers are going to have to be
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careful about that kind of [ __ ] I guess yeah if you running a TV ad don't do it
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the same time as Yogscast are putting out a video because they're not going to
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care no like you're just going to have to pay him well you know what this
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reminds me of apparently uh is a kind of reversal of this because uh somebody is
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suing a game uh company right now for royalties Because he believes he's
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contributed to the sales of the game um right and that's 80-year-old former um
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Panamanian dictator Manuel noraga um and he's currently suing Activision Blizzard
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uh because of his inclusion in the Call of Duty Black Ops
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2 uh well I played Black Ops 2 and want a piece of that puzzle yeah as as far as
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I know Nora is still in prison so I I don't know what his lawyer doing lawy
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should be focusing on getting him out of prison but okay whatever well he's got a
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lot of time in there and B well Hobbies it was a propped up Dictator by the US
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the US invaded and uh put him in prison cuz he wasn't playing ball yeah in
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operation just cause so there you go but um Black Ops has made over a billion
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dollars and um he believes that some of that money uh was due to his inclusion
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in the game well if that's the case the kennedies are owed some some money so
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the were fans bought it not because they like Call of Duty but because they just
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wanted to to support him yeah mat as soon as I heard was in the game I was
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lining up at the shops I was like I was
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like nor is in uh he was actually
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released in 2011 well there go yeah he currently resides in hospital he plays
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he plays C blops all day he plays Cod every day he just plays Cod blops yeah
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from his Hospital cops too man you're in a game what you're in a you're in a computer game
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what you don't come off very well apparently he's an old
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Englishman rck um yes so there's that that's uh that's actually the first bit of
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interesting video game news I've heard in a long time so there you go oh
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[Laughter]
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sorry justed in Anger we're 30 minutes
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in yeah I know I've been talking for about half an hour now and
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then I'm sorry never mind I'm sorry I have different I have different
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interests all right fine I'm joking I don't give a [ __ ] all right so um the
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any update on watch Doge you boys oh [ __ ] I've given up on it yeah I
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stopped playing unfortunately so did you finally work out it's a [ __ ]
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game a bit so let me just ask why why did you
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both give up I haven't played the game myself I my Xbox and PS3 are in a
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[ __ ] shipping container God knows where so sorry you want you want to
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follow that up with some explanation you've moved right it's not some big
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mystery yeah they're not in a shipping container God knows
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where they got up in the morning and there was packed up in your garage right
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no it's in a shipping container the company still has it I don't know where
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it is or where it's stored so they didn't ask for the address they just drove
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off I'm paying them for the storage I just don't know where it's stored right
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okay sure oh Jesus so de you gave up look I think Luke played it
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first yeah I've played it and finished it I think before anyone else even played it yeah
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that sounds about right yeah I didn't there was no real gameplay
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to it everything was all the miss exctly the black screen is
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it just a black screen look boot up the game and it says watch Doge you put the game
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in yeah I thought I could just hack it to get it to work no I just found that
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every level or sorry level every mission was exactly the
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same drive here hack this drive there
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that as exciting as it seemed like it should be like it when I was thinking
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about it I'm like man that's great and then I actually playing it I'm like I am
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really so just not terribly that interested I guess second you work out
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the formula for fighting with killing everyone where it's just hide shoot that
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guy hide shoot that guy the game just loses all fun it's it's really quite
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boring and you don't feel like it should be like it looks great and it's you know
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kind of a cool world and you really want it to be more interesting than it is
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yeah I didn't find myself bored it's just average but even just things like
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the internal logic of the game just just didn't quite sit well with me I mean
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unless I'm doing something wrong I was doing a mission and then suddenly they'd
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be like H cops are looking for suspects and I be all right fine I'll just pull
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over here and hide and then they know where I am I'm like how you [ __ ] know
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where I am I'm a [ __ ] hacker like if I'm hiding in a garage somewhere with
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the lights off yeah you shouldn't be able to scan for me okay so watch do uh
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[ __ ] house yeah well I just you know like the when I first loaded up and the
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you saw the game World it was so big and there all these things to do and then
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after I don't know a few hours I realized they were all EX exactly the
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same thing over and over again and so I was like well I'm going to ignore the um
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side quests and then I started doing the main quests and I realized well it's
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just more of that stuff like there's no variation or had a lot of potential but
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it's just missing something it's just all a bit average I think they focus too
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hard on you know making the map an exact replica of Chicago and all of this
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attention to detail maybe attention to gameplay would have been better them
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better things like things like you know when you go
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into you know like the the you hack into the main frames right which is to unlock
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each area right and when you finally get into one when you you go into the um the
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tower things and you can look at the videos of the surveillance so you can
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see what they've been recording you know you you can play back those videos yeah
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well that's all pointless yeah there was no point doing
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that at all it was interesting I found sometimes but I didn't think it was
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interesting actually I thought I was like I'm going to do this in case
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there's a point to it and then as it went on and on and on and it was just
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never ever came up like I don't know I just but even little things I like even
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one of the first missions right you're in a stadium you use your phone to hack
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into the system you set the um the lights all off so you can escape right
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but if cops see you you know they'll shoot you why what what have I got that
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makes them think I had anything to do with that I'm just a dude leaving this
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place like everyone else yeah you know what I mean like it makes no
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sense you never met a cop before obviously shoot
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everybody I'm at a ball game the lights go out so let's just shoot
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everybody so um I I do recall Dan you uh did you give up on Diablo I did you ever
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finish it I I never started it I was I was so looking forward to it coming out
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you guys will got it before me I decided I wasn't going to play it because no one
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had anything good to say about it but then recently I was uh I picked it up
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for about 30 bucks and I thought remember I told you about the patch it
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fixed most of the problems yeah but I got it on um 360
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oh better so I've been playing on the Xbox this week really enjoying it look I
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love it and it's um I mean look I'm not invested in it like I was in diabl I cuz
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diabl 2 I [ __ ] loved and I gave so much time to that game um this one I'm
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just it's it's pretty simple it's not too difficult you kind of kind of just
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pick it up from where you left off play for a bit you know it's pretty addictive
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cuz it's kind of easy to play and I'm just enjoying it so I liked it how badly
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can blizzard not tell us story like like how bad is the dialogue in that game
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though like how bad is it it's it's embarrassing it's like they got a
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14-year-old fantasy like author from like never done anything he just likes
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reading fantasy books I'm like let's give him a run let's let him write a
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dialogue you know yeah it's a bit paint by numbers it is but it is what it is
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and you know it's bit of fun yeah I enjoyed it I've played through it I
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haven't played through it yet I think I've played through it and then I played
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through one night with Matt and Dave and I played
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it well you didn't have it yeah well I've got it now yeah but you've got it
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on Xbox you've it on PC with us I would have preferred to have the console
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version because I wouldn't be stuck online all the time with the lag oh
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awful yeah I wondered about that so it doesn't need uh you it doesn't require
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you to be online at all it does not no not at all that's that's an improvement
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yeah yeah unbelievable well speaking of improvements mhm Microsoft have now
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released and started selling as I understand it the um the Xbox one
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without the connect thank [ __ ] so it's being sold now and
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they've noticed I don't understand that I thought it needed the connect to
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run we'll get to that apparently sales have doubled not surprised now that now
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that people don't have to buy the connect but is that just du to the
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connect or the price yeah it could be the price drop as well firstly it was
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overpriced second the connect is stupid and useless and doesn't work properly
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correct um and well here's my question can I unplug it now and when I I haven't
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tried this I mean it's pretty it pretty easy for me to figure it out the pron
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they cut the price and the people are buying them now is because Halo Master
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Chief Edition is coming out soon yeah that's why everyone bought wouldn't they
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wait and buy it then nope people are impatient but it's not going to make the
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game come out any FAS so can I unplug my connect now I could just go and try this
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I suppose but I haven't yet so will my anything about that well cuz I haven't I
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don't think I've got any updates lately on to the machine or am I am I but it it
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only be a a software update right I mean the machines that are shipping now
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without the connects are not different Hardware right they're just they will
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still you'll still be able to go and buy a connect later one will mine function
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without one or is is there some kind of Hardware requirement on in my Xbox no no
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of course not you'll get a software update but what surprises me man is can
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you really not use the Xbox without it plugged in you couldn't before are you
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serious like you couldn't it would like you couldn't use your Xbox Am I Wrong it
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wouldn't boot up sign you in right I never tried I never tried to be honest
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my understanding was that if you didn't have it plugged in it wouldn't boot up so I just
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never really yep go on off you go all right are are you serious you want me to
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do this yeah I'm serious I want to know go we could sit about we could sit here
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and talk about how we don't know or let's do an okay I'll be back I'll back all right so
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M's going let's do the real podcast yeah so multiple multiple nerd gasm here we
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are tonight we're talking poetry um
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Robert Frost L you have uh some of your favorites prepared you want to read out
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for us certainly whose woods these are I think I know his house is in the village
26:50
though he will not see me stopping here to watch his Woods fill up with snow
26:55
Luke do you want to take the next stands up do you really think I'm going to know
27:01
any of
27:06
that I think I think it's good news for Matt I think Matt's coming back I'm back
27:11
he's well how did it go what did I miss it out all
27:17
right so I tried to find it took me a little bit to find the right cable but
27:20
eventually I unplugged the connect turn the Xbox on and it booted up fine it has
27:24
a little icon in the top corner and it says connect is disconnected but
27:27
everything seems to work I launched uh guac just to see if it would launch a
27:31
game and it did okay so we can learn one of two things from this either yes it
27:37
does now work without the connect or you could have juston disconnected it all
27:43
along so um I uh I read a little something the other day about uh
27:48
Amazon's doing the Kindle unlimited thing with uh with books they are it's
27:53
like Netflix but for books yeah it's in the US we can't get here yeah it's in
28:00
the US now I'm sure it'll come over here but uh yeah it's 10 bucks a month and
28:07
you have access to not all of the books that they have you have up to I think
28:11
there's like there's 600,000 of them that are part of it oh well what if I read all the
28:16
600,000 well it's not so much that it's just that I kind of want to make sure
28:20
that the kind of I don't know it just frustrates me when it's not all of them
28:24
you know seems like a lot though it it does but like you know
28:31
like I guess is your question right yeah exactly and then is is there a long list
28:37
of things that I do want to read that aren't on there and that might be a
28:42
problem because I'm still going to have to pay for them on Kindle anyway if I
28:46
want to read them or go to Italy yeah you can just go to Italy man or go to
28:50
Italy anyway knowledge should brother they have um Italy Unlimited on uh on
28:56
the internet already yeah they do you go pretty soon no nothing will cost anyone
29:01
anything and no one will be earning any money that's right and nothing will be
29:05
getting made yep y That's right it'll be a vacuum a cultural vacuum we'll just be
29:09
all sitting around downloading nothing for free yep but somebody said um what
29:15
happens you know if everybody starts using Kindle unlimited what happens you
29:19
know when JK Rowling makes the next Harry Potter and she and you know it's
29:24
it's not a success because everyone's already paying the $10 and then somebody
29:27
else said I thought is quite apt mhm who gives a [ __ ] if JK Rowling makes more
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millions of [Music] dollars sorry check that person's handle
29:38
and see if it's JK Rollings like exactly because there's only one person who
29:43
would care about that what about JK Rawlings cuz the
29:47
first the comment was like oh you know how what what happens you know people
29:50
like JK Rawlings when they F the next album the next album next um book and
29:54
it's not a success like it was before and then someone else said oh sorry all
29:57
the other authors will have to share in the money yeah oh yeah well can I just
30:01
be can I just play devil's advocate for a minute here now sure I'm I like to
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read but um at my most voracious I mean I would read a book every two weeks sure
30:12
so this is $9.99 a month and with my life I could probably get through two
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books in the time I have to read a month yeah I I would I read between two and
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four a month I think but I wouldn't read more than that I don't think it wouldn't
30:27
really be feasible right how much is the average book e book now an average book
30:31
or a quite a good book I think it depends about $10 I
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would say okay so you're saving $10 a
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month yeah that's true as long as you in that 600,000 you can find something you
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want to read yeah yeah yeah I see where this is going I see where this is going yeah
30:53
look I mean look you're right though it all comes down to is this cheaper than
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you're currently paying I mean it was the same thing with Spotify everyone's
31:01
like $10 a month but like if you buy more than one album a month this is way
31:06
cheaper and I got to say I have Spotify now I pay for Spotify Premium and I like
31:10
it is [ __ ] awesome and if if there happens to be an album that's not on
31:14
there well chances are I'm probably not going to listen to that now
31:17
because see I don't like Spotify cuz I I just listen to the same 50 albums over
31:21
and over again probably until I die so well then it's probably not for you but
31:26
for me just to be able to on there right I have a playlist of stuff and I listen
31:31
you know I listen to stuff and then every now and then I go a click on the
31:35
Discover tab in Spotify and it comes up and says here's the stuff you've been
31:38
listening to here's some other stuff that's like it that you might like and I
31:41
go through and I listen I go oh I do like that add that to the playlist add
31:45
oh I'll add that as well yeah exactly yeah yeah oh the new Christine regular
31:48
is that yeah good yep uh it's great I
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really enjoy it and they get more money than they would if I just downloaded
31:57
everything so yep yeah any system would get more money
32:03
than if you stole it no that's what I'm saying that's what I'm saying like don't they get
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0.00005 cents or something like that's probably more than they get off an the
32:14
same argument same argument applies you won't have Superstars like people raking
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in millions and millions of dollars just for [ __ ] out an album every year
32:23
like you do now like that won't happen in the world of Kindle unlimited for
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example JK rolling would have to would have to just be an author like all the
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other authors are authors and hopefully just make a living right like I'm fine
32:33
with her having to do that to be honest also while we're talking about this and
32:37
we're talking about documentaries that you should watch I keep championing this
32:40
one and I'm sure I've mentioned it on the podcast before but it's called press
32:43
pause play and it's basically about this exact thing but right across the media
32:48
so books music films etc etc and basically how things given away for free
32:54
on the internet can actually end up making you more money than the things
32:57
you're trying to charge for book or a so fascinating watch press pause play
33:04
check it out we should put that in the show notes cuz I would uh be delighted
33:07
to watch that you can actually watch it all uh the whole thing for free on
33:13
Vimeo Doom four it's not going to be called Doom
33:18
four is it no it's not isn't it but that's what everyone's calling it it's
33:21
it going to be called Rage 2 no it's going to be called
33:24
Doom I see is a reboot is it is it a
33:29
gritty reboot oh my God is it gritty wow um it must be so good though because
33:34
they refuseed to post a video online um and they only showed it to people at qu
33:39
Kong well let me just give you the general text Adventure yeah it's using
33:43
it idtech 6 which is the latest engine um even though John comic's not working
33:48
at ID anymore um basically uh if you guys have played Brutal Doom it's
33:54
literally just Brutal Doom but with really really good graphics I call it broom
33:59
y all right so uh it's basically just Brutal Doom uh lot of blood and gore you
34:04
can you know head stomp things curb stomp stuff uh rip things in half of the
34:08
Chainsaw the shotguns basically blow off Limbs and stuff it's it's uh pretty Uber
34:13
violent which uh kind of fights my boat I'm actually uh I've got my fingers
34:18
crossed for this one I'm sure it's just going to be a standard by the Numbers
34:22
find the key open the door kind of situation even though the keys seem to
34:26
be severed hands in this instance but um cool yeah yeah I'm looking forward to it
34:31
I uh uh I know it's going to be [ __ ] but
34:36
uh we could always hope yeah what are you going to get it on PC God okay I
34:43
just thought I'd ask although another two years or
34:48
something so you know who knows but uh Luke um I don't think the Destiny Beta
34:53
is available on the xbone yet is it not yet it comes out next week I believe how
34:58
do I get in on that Beta key no I do not I'm going to try and get one of those
35:03
I'd like to like to check that out well I've I've been reading some uh
35:08
impressions of it and uh some people are saying it's going to be the best game
35:12
ever which I'm like yawn and then I read a really great article best game ever H
35:16
sounds [ __ ] yeah cuz it's just hyperbole
35:20
it can't possibly be yeah um I read an article on Destructoid which is probably
35:26
the only decent game journalism website left um and yeah he was basically saying yeah
35:33
it's a bungee game Sorry apart from our website yeah yeah it's a bunch of games
35:37
got great graphics looks fun it's not the next big step that everyone was
35:40
expecting it's pretty much uh what you would expect um don't get too excited
35:46
it'll be great all right so if you like games about space
35:52
and made by Bungie then check it out if not Peter Dinklage dies at the end
35:57
[Laughter] if he does I apologize I just made that
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up oh speaking of dying a lot um did you try Dark Souls man I did I've tried to
36:09
play it before and uh me too me too I tried to play it on PC for a bit and I
36:13
was like no I don't know about this and then uh I was talking to um Phil Duke
36:18
who is who no doubt listening that's why I started playing it that's why I
36:21
started playing it Phil Phil and thank you for wasting two hours of my life in
36:24
a frustrating and horribly dingy ugly horrible Graphics
36:31
terrible controlled environment I don't understand why people put themselves
36:34
through this game I really don't yeah I tried to Play It Again hours in it was
36:38
free on the Xbox with Gold Games with Gold that's why I got it yeah I got it
36:42
how I got it I haven't played it yet I sat down the like last week and I was
36:44
like I want to play something else I'm like oh Dark Souls I'll give it another
36:47
shot on the Xbox see if I enjoy it more kind of sitting on the couch no I I
36:51
wanted to throw the [ __ ] controller across the room so many times and I was
36:55
like you know why am I doing this it's ridiculous yes that's exactly what I was
36:58
asking myself when I was just wandering around getting killed by skeletons and
37:02
then I was like is it just me I I just [ __ ] and then I looked it up and
37:05
everyone was like basically you need to learn what all the fights are going to
37:09
be before you can get past areas who has time for that that's what I was like I'm
37:13
like no no I no no that's not for
37:17
me like yeah so should I try it yeah go on tell us um and next week you can tell
37:24
us um sorry in four weeks you can tell us um how bad it was it just it looks so
37:28
promising right because you started up and it looks are you putting this on
37:31
Luke's uh open-ended competition where he has to get to the end of games sh yep
37:36
yeah yeah sure I'm pretty sure that if I played it for 6 hours I'd probably
37:41
really enjoy it but the problem is it's not fun enough I don't think I would get
37:45
hours I I hated it playing it for one hour but I'm sure if I wasted half a day
37:49
on it see I don't think I some games that are slow Burns and they can really
37:55
impress you as you move through but it if it doesn't grab me at the start a lot
38:01
of the times I just won't have the patience to work through it my problem
38:03
with it is slow bur or Rose bur Can it can it be both can it be both
38:09
my problem with it is you'd like to burn Rose Burn slowly yes we all we've all
38:14
heard what he'd like to do to Rose Ben if you want you know what why don't we
38:17
why don't we hear it
38:22
again I would take that and I would and I would
38:30
juicy wet and as I'm I
38:36
would and jam it whoa whoa delicious and then why is
38:42
that happening hold on this is what you want
38:46
to do to Rose Burn and then as she why
38:50
you you wait wait let him finish yeah so
38:54
as as or take my hands and so tightly
39:01
into and then I I take
39:04
my explode what once they fell out of it
39:08
yeah yeah yeah that's and that's uh that's the things I would do to Rose
39:15
B and um yeah so that's that again sorry that's uh that's things I did rose rose
39:22
if you are listening write in and um let us know what you think of that that
39:26
segment but my problem with dark souls is when I play a role playing game come
39:30
back to haunt me one day I just know it I'm sure it is yeah yeah she was going
39:33
to go out with you but uh my problem with dark souls is when I
39:38
play a role playing game I like to kind of get immersed and chill out and you
39:42
know wander around the world and that kind of thing but Dark Souls demands
39:45
that you be [ __ ] aware that it's a game and punishes you for
39:50
becoming too kind of complacent I guess like if you get too into it and and
39:56
chilled and having fun that kind of thing it will punish you by by murdering
40:01
you pissing on your corpse and then making you repeat this a massive section
40:06
of the game over and over again that's what really got to me I'm like I don't
40:10
have time to go back through this I really don't I'm not doing it yeah I was
40:13
okay I was I was dealing with it at first and then it got to a point where I
40:16
got past the first dungeon and I was outside and then I got went fought
40:20
through for [ __ ] ages and got through all these skeletons and [ __ ] and got to
40:23
got like further into a new area and then died and it took took me right back
40:27
to the beginning of after I'd finished the first dungeon and I was like goodbye
40:31
I'm never playing you again yeah that's right you were getting deleted off my
40:34
Xbox yeah so I don't know it's not it's not for me I can see why some ssts would
40:41
consider that fun enough for him to actually go and make a sequel and after
40:46
Phil's brutal brutal performance in bleed through I can see why he would
40:50
enjoy that yeah yeah good point good point yeah so I I I pretty much gave up
40:56
on everything I'm just playing through XCOM again for the 50 billionth
41:00
time I've been playing some FTL actually recently I've gone back to that I want
41:04
to get into that man is it um is it complicated or no absolutely not no not
41:08
at all it's not but it it it like if you try and zip through it it'll it'll it'll
41:15
[ __ ] you like it's um youve you've got to take your time at the beginning like
41:21
jumping through the Galaxy because you haven't played it at all do you know
41:25
anything about it no okay so the premise is that you're you're in a ship and
41:28
you're trying to escape um I think it's the rebels in this case the rebels of
41:32
the bad guys um Rebels are always bad guys Man true and you learn that when
41:38
you get older your ship is being pursued by their Fleet and you've got to jump
41:41
through uh a series of six or seven galaxies um which are randomly generated
41:48
and you have kind of Random Encounters and battles and in each Galaxy galaxies
41:52
yeah Galax sectors sectors so cuz like galaxies are pretty big yeah it's SE
41:57
sectors well you you jump you make it's called FTL you go f fasense so you jump
42:04
from point to point and then from no I don't I don't know why you're accusing me of
42:10
that so anyway um Marvel are
42:15
yeah um no no no so you jump around and and yeah like I was just saying okay but
42:20
as you it's not difficult to understand but if you General gameplay of it though
42:24
what what are you what are you normally clicking on what
42:27
so you've got your you begin the game and your ship and your crew are there
42:31
you've got three crew members and you're in a ship and then your first thing you
42:35
can do really is make you jump to the next uh I think next system that you
42:41
want to visit so you you hit jump you choose the next location on the map and
42:45
you'll jump there and you'll encounter a random uh event which could be an enemy
42:49
ship or it could be a Trader or it could be uh a group of scientists who require
42:54
help with something blah blah blah blah blah it's all very simple and from that
42:58
perspective but uh and as you go along you collect uh money and crew members
43:04
and you can trade and you can shoot other destroy other ships and take their
43:08
parts and upgrade your ship and it gets progressively harder and harder and
43:12
you're constantly fleeing the um the fleet that's following you if you take
43:17
too long you can see on the map they start to catch up and you have to stay
43:22
ahead of them otherwise you just get blasted out of existence so sounds
43:25
stressful yeah and it gets harder and harder harder and harder and you kind of
43:28
have to be a bit like I was saying you have to yeah it really need to be
43:32
patient cuz the second you then start cuz happens to me all the time I'll get
43:36
halfway through and I start this is pretty easy and I start rushing and then
43:39
you get to the the seventh sector and you can't fight anybody because you
43:42
didn't you you jumped too quickly through the previous ones didn't collect
43:46
enough equipment and you can't survive so so it's like leure Suit Larry if you
43:50
forget to pick up that object at the start oh it can be very very punishing it can be very
43:55
punishing like you can die through no fault of your own that is definitely
43:59
true like you can literally just jump to a sector where there's a like a into a
44:04
nebula and your Shields don't work and then there's a pirate ship there and
44:08
you're completely helpless and you just die like that can happen and you don't
44:11
know what's happening until you jump there yeah and so that can happen and
44:15
that is frustrating but sounds very uh Battle Star Galactica I like it yeah
44:19
it's good I recommend it and they just released a free update um because the
44:23
iPad version came out and it's got a bunch of extra content in it as well oh
44:27
I did not know that yeah so there's you can choose to enable that new content
44:31
when you start a game um because it does change the game a bit well I'm going to
44:35
give it a world M do it I I will do
44:39
it um anyone seen any movies
44:43
lately yeah I've seen some all right why don't you uh why don't you take us
44:48
through that then Dan I want to see a little uh movie the other night both a
44:52
sequel and a reboot Planet of the Apes isn't it a sequel to the re reboot yeah
44:58
yeah Y and is this the reboot reboot yeah it's the reboot of the
45:03
reboot well actually it's a reboot of the remake of the
45:08
original but you know i' had actually forgotten until this week that there
45:12
even was a shitty remake back in the early 2000s everyone's favorite director oh
45:18
Tim Burton yeah that's right um but uh
45:22
is this Dawn Dawn of the Planet of the Apes
45:27
theal term Planet o the Apes stand yeah regardless it's [ __ ] excellent I I
45:34
like I like the look of the trailer it looks really and I really like the last
45:37
one too so yeah me too and this is better this is everything that good
45:42
cinema should be if I had one criticism I'll say it's that the human characters
45:47
were maybe a little underdeveloped but the the Apes were completely fleshed out
45:52
really in depth but at the same time just amazing action beautiful
45:57
photography and set pieces that's sentence Dan it's like just I never
46:02
thought i' hear anyone ever say that the human's not that flesh up but the Apes
46:06
the Apes I know I know but it was so funny like watching this and I was just
46:10
like really enjoying it and it just reminded me of like how good mainstream
46:14
movies can be like a blockbuster can be a great movie and this is kind of this
46:20
kind of film is the reason I Started Loving films when I was a kid you know
46:23
but um just the fact that the the it done so well and Rod Sterling who wrote
46:30
the original um script for Planet of the Apes back in the 60s um famously yeah
46:37
but he he wasn't too happy with how it ended up looking um because it was quite
46:42
different to what he imagined but I would just love to just transport this
46:45
movie back in time and be like [ __ ] look at this man like it is so good it's
46:51
so good he'd love it should I watch it um all right well I saw Transcendence
46:58
oh yeah I don't understand all the hate
47:02
this film got I just don't get it it wasn't it wasn't
47:07
awful it wasn't amazing but where I get hate I didn't
47:12
think anybody saw it yeah it got a lot of hate got a lot of bad reviews it
47:17
got um but for those who don't know it's a story of uh Johnny Depp and he gets
47:23
killed and his Consciousness gets transferred into a machine now you think
47:27
you know where that goes we all think we know where that
47:31
goes right it doesn't go that way and that's the most surprising thing about
47:36
this film it doesn't go the way you expect it's going to go and it's very
47:40
Bittersweet and uh I really really enjoyed it um it's a very slow film If
47:46
You're Expecting action you're not going to get it it's uh the film's there to
47:51
make you Ponder as you go along it's it's it's very slowly paced but I really
47:56
thought it was uh it was a good film The the ending was it could have been
48:00
fleshed out a bit more a bit weak but the overall concept I really enjoyed um
48:04
not what I expected uh I highly suggest you guys watch it maybe when you're doing the
48:11
eying cool I've got a steamer now instead of
48:15
an iron have you yeah I thought that was code for something for a second I've
48:21
just got your old iron yeah that's why I've got all right uh when we start talking
48:28
about Steamers uh yeah oh speaking of I've got a
48:33
poop I'm joking I don't have to poop um so has anyone else seen Cosmos yet or is
48:37
it just me yeah I've been watching it I've been watching it I've been watching
48:40
it too how good is it it's amazing great how good is I actually I teared up in
48:46
the first episode yes me too when he was talking about Carl San putting him on
48:49
the bo Yeah Carl Sean's Di and he flicked that day and it just said Neil
48:53
Tyson in there yeah yeah Beck looked across at me she was like you are you
48:57
crying like yes I loved Carl San a no it's just great it's just it
49:03
beautiful series it really captures the um the Wonder and kind of imagination
49:08
that makes all that stuff interesting exactly it makes me feel like I'm like
49:11
oh man I really wish I kind i' done something along those lines you know
49:16
like I wish I was involved in that yeah you know the funny thing is though um
49:21
like I would like that series if it was just Neil degrass Tyson dictating dry
49:28
facts like I'd still love it if it was that but it's so much more than that you
49:33
know I do like too the animation yeah yeah it it it makes for an interesting
49:37
take on things and it explores you know all these famous people or maybe not so
49:41
famous people who did some amazing things that you don't know about yeah it
49:45
sort was a really interesting way um to show those characters instead of just
49:49
getting acting he just you he just loves he just loves it so much you can feel
49:53
the love his voice passion for it that's contain the one about fer who does who
49:58
discovers the um uh you know the the Spectrum and everything the um yeah oh
50:04
the with the prisms and the colors yeah he discovers the you he calls it the
50:08
code in between the the Spectrum the yeah and he
50:13
goes spectral analysis that's how we can tell what planet exoplanets have in
50:17
their atmosphere but how that indicates the colors that are being absorbed and
50:21
all that kind of business and and he said you know he said oh forgive me I
50:24
get a bit emotional but this is this this is literally the birth of my my
50:27
field yeah he's about to go to that room you can tell that he actually means that
50:33
yeah this was the day that they merged um physics and astronomy astrology yeah
50:39
astronomy astronomy yeah well oh it's a it's it's a beautiful series and he
50:44
really he really cares about what he's talking about it's just yeah you're
50:48
right someone said someone said it was contagious and it definitely is you know
50:51
who is the director in DOP of this um I thought it was Seth McFarland
50:57
no he's the executive producer so basically that just means that his um
51:00
production company his production company produces it but it is directed
51:05
and shot by Tim Pope who was the dop on The Matrix movies
51:11
no yeah black expains I was wondering why everything so [ __ ] amazing yeah
51:16
it looks [ __ ] great doesn't it yeah like they spent a lot of money I am
51:20
gonna be buying it on Blu-ray so I should watch this yeah Luke watch it
51:24
Luke you got to get into it man I mean like it's you know it's a documentary series
51:29
like learn stuff it's just someone standing there telling you about you
51:33
watchos we can't be friends anymore it's and there's stuff where because Jenner
51:37
and I have been watching it and it gets to the end of an episode and I was like
51:41
oh man I love that was great I'm going to have to watch that one again because
51:45
some stuff because I've forgotten it all yeah exactly so much information and
51:49
also things like um the one where they're talking about I mean this is
51:54
maybe not that interesting to the listeners but you know like scw you the
51:58
quantum the quantum physics stuff about where he's talking about the hydrogen
52:02
atom and how the electron orbits but it doesn't orbit because it kind of jumps
52:09
around and's principle where you can know that it's moving or you can know
52:15
that it's there but you can't know but no you can know where it is or you can know
52:21
that it's moving but you can't know both or whatever the [ __ ] that is and I'm
52:24
like H I'm going to need to learn more but even just like the ones that
52:30
you know the one about black holes like I watch that and I go [ __ ] now I know
52:33
everything about black holes n didn't retain anything got to watch it again yeah
52:37
exactly yeah it's hard when you're not actively studying I remember that it
52:42
looked cool when he flew into the black hole and things W all funny but that's
52:47
all yeah it went a bit 2001 of Space Odyssey in there
52:51
yeah yeah it's very impressive Luke you got to watch it man I've been watching
52:55
something give L might like um I don't know if anyone else has seen this but
52:59
I've I've taken some time off work to finish my film so obviously I've been
53:02
catching up on quite a bit of TV
53:06
um but I I watched the first season of Silicon Valley have you guys watched
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that I've been told many times by many people to give it a go cuz apparently
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it's really funny look you're either going to love it or you're going to
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think it's terrible because you know when you watch something that's just a
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little two on the nose you know like and you know Luke you're a software test
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Matt you you you know you you're a coder like and Dave you know all about this
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stuff too like me who knows nothing about software developing watches a show
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about four software developers and goes cool well I'll just assume that
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everything they say is right do you know what I mean but like you guys might yeah
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you guys might hear the nuances of it and get get the shits but um that stuff
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doesn't bother me I like I don't mind creative license as long as the show's
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good I don't care well look it's it's directed by the guy who did office space
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remember that old film oh yeah oh great film and um you know I like I like the
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characters there's only eight episodes in the series it's uh it's pretty good
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okay cool I'm GNA watch it all right I might give that want to tr go as well
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yeah I'd say you'd definitely like it Luke it's definitely L how about you
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watch Cosmos first and then you can watch Silicon
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Valley mom yeah like when you eat your vegetables then you can eat the when
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you've learned about the Galaxy or the universe then you can watch some you
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look and learn about computer then you can learn some fiction
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I also season in there too no watch the
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[ __ ] series for God's sake I'm up to date with Game of Thrones
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too man oh you watched all of it yeah yeah what' you think [ __ ] yeah man
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it's good is it [ __ ] yeah it's good season what can you say what can you say
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and that last well the last two episodes really [ __ ] can I just say I mean I
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talked about this a little the other week um when I saw you guys is this
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going to spoil anything for anybody if I men in the skeletons no oh I'm never
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going to watch this show and Dave doesn't watch shows with K and queens
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look the skeletons were [ __ ] excellent in saying that I've seen all
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of the tutors which I don't know how that happened yeah there you go well this is
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[ __ ] way better than the tutors yeah anything think would be way better than
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the tutors I'm actually you know what you should watch Dave which you quite
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like it's from the riter of the tutors but it I think it's more up your alley watch
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Vikings okay yeah yeah I think you'll enjoy that Dave I've
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seen a few episodes of it no my next show I'm going to watch is still in the
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shrink WP and Dan gave it to me as a gift and I'm I'm GNA watch it oh yeah
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whatever Rome I'm gonna watch it is R I'm going to watch Rome yeah yeah do it
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man Rome's great yeah I'm not don't don't listen to to his promises he's never going to do
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it it's a [ __ ] great show and you missing out you miss it I swear to God
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I'm going to get to it then it's just got emper oh I'll I'll tell you Dave the
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emperor doesn't last long all right it's not about the [ __ ]
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Emperor oh Christ I think I know what happens to him I think I think maybe
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speaking of EMP I was flicking channels the other day and ended up on the world
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movies Channel because uh Caligula was on oh right has anyone actually seig
56:18
I've never gotten through like you know it's it's about the Roman Emperor gu
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kiga who was a bit of a [ __ ] degenerate it's got Malcolm McDow
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doesn't it yeah the thing is it's got all these like
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prolific elderly British actors when
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they were young [ __ ] each
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other like you see Helen mirin get [ __ ] by a bunch of dudes do you know
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what I mean like you see John Gil s John
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Gil good [ __ ] a bunch of chicks like it's
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insane all right that should just literally be like the ad for podcast
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just comment on that should we've got film reviews see John Gil good [ __ ] a
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bunch of CH you I see when I see doing that in
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film John Goodman what you want to see him [ __ ] a bunch of chicks yeah I just think it's
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his turn you know yeah sure before we
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finish I just because I don't think we filled uh quota for this week can we
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talk about the fact that Captain America is now black
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what yeah Marvel have have done they've done two things apparently Marvel are
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trying to be Progressive all of a sudden yeah so later this year apparently Steve
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Rogers regressive Steve Rogers who is Captain
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America what Steve Rogers has been Captain America all along that's the
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white guy Steve Rogers right right Chris Evans if you're fan of the films but in
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the comics Captain America will be replaced with a black
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guy uh which is interesting I think it's a bit odd to just replace the charact
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you know the whole character they did it with Spider-Man they replaced Spider-Man
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with a black kid if you recall a little while ago and I don't know how just he stole the
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suit no I don't think so but yeah so that's one that's one right and I mean
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to be honest I'm fine with it I think it I do think it's a bit odd are you m you don't
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sound fine with it you sound fine no no I'm I mean you know I think it's a bit
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weird to just kind of replace the whole character I can't W they replace it with
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another white person would it be weird yes because it's a different person do
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now I have a question do they already do this in Marvel no they're they will be
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doing it apparently but it's like I said it's not I don't care if it was still
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him and then all of a sudden he was just black I'd be like okay that's that's a
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bit weird but all right but this is like literally Steve Rogers isn't is not
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going to be Captain America anymore someone else is I'm like that's well DC
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have done that quite a bit with their characters that's true so maybe it their
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reasoning is that they're bringing him into the 21st century and making him a
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bit more relevant than he perhaps has been yeah all right well I mean that's
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interesting but the other thing that they're doing
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is making Thor a
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woman how does that work oh apparently uh some people have said if
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you read more of their tweets or more of their hints or whatever it seems more
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like Thor is going to be replaced with a woman as in Thor will not be found
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worthy to wield Moler anymore and a woman will so she will become the god of
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thunder but other tweets basically Ryan
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panagos who uh I assume is a writer is
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he a writer at uh Marvel he said this is not she Thor this is not lady Thor this
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is not Thor this is Thor so it sounds like they're going to make Thor a woman
1:00:16
which is interesting considering Thor is is a you know like a Nordic mythical
1:00:22
character who is he's a man like it's just it's a bit weird you know well he's
1:00:27
a God yeah exactly it's just a bit odd like and also his full name is Thor
1:00:34
Odin's son soit so they might have to change that a little bit I don't know I just think
1:00:41
it's weird like I don't I kind of understand from the point of view of
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kind of make trying to bring Comics into the you know the 21st century because
1:00:51
they are very sexist I guess still but I
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don't know of just making characters into women is the answer you know what I
1:01:00
mean well okay let's let's think for a second what would be a better superhero
1:01:04
to currently convert to a woman why do we have to convert them to a woman there
1:01:08
is a She-Hulk already there's a She-Hulk yeah there's a She-Hulk already to be
1:01:12
honest to be honest not the best examp Hulk is just a sexy naked Hulk it's it's
1:01:17
Hulk in aerobics gear yeah she's not there as a feminist icon no let's be
1:01:23
honest so don't all all major characters have like a female counterpart like
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Superman has Supergirl Batman has Batgirl or batom yeah but I well they're
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all they're DC so I guess maybe Marvel's trying to do the same thing but I don't
1:01:35
know why do they have to change like Thor into a woman why can't a woman be
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introduced like another character character male to a female
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it's not to generate more of a female audience it's to sexy the [ __ ] up out a
1:01:49
Thor and I bet I bet if I click on this link she's going to be scantly clad well
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I'll give you one guft Dave do you think
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she's going to have a huge boobs or B not huge
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boobs I'm gonna say huge boobs yeah correct you will be correct what a
1:02:09
surprise yeah so this is not some pathetic attempt to grab a female
1:02:13
audience it's just a pathetic attempt to excite young teenage boys oh and I've
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just okay I fact checked myself Ryan panagos is is just a media editor at um
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Marvel and he was quoting Jason Aaron who is a series writer for Thor who said
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yeah who said this is not just this is
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not a lady Thor Rita this is Thor um so I don't know it's just it's a bit weird
1:02:38
if you ask me well that that clears it all up that uh that now I'm wondering if this
1:02:44
they're being so vague on purpose to see what people think and then they're going
1:02:48
to kind of Base what they actually do on people's maybe it's going to be one of
1:02:52
those things where they just suddenly start drawing Thor as a woman
1:02:56
mention and if anyone says is th supposed to be a man they go oh sorry
1:03:01
are you sexist are you yeah and then just throughout the next proba going to
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do the same thing with the you know blacked in America and can't say a
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sentence with isn't isn't she supposed to be me and through the next film Chris
1:03:14
Hemsworth is slowly going to be digitally replaced with rose with rose bur going
1:03:20
to follow on from the patent here then he will be a transsexual transgender um
1:03:26
who who will Who will be in the third film so they are there are there any
1:03:30
transsexual transgender superheroes M they keep adding letters to the thing I
1:03:35
don't you know what is it LG I'm serious are there any transgender superheroes I
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don't think there are I'm not aware of any not in certainly not in the major
1:03:47
characters from Marvel I don't think there's any hold on one gendered I mean
1:03:51
transgender I don't know where I don't know where the best people to discuss
1:03:55
this issue but uh like I mean I I find it weird enough that uh in banana man
1:03:59
he's a seven-year-old kid and then suddenly he's a fully grown man when
1:04:02
he's his hero Ulta ego okay I've just got into a Wikipedia article for LGBT
1:04:07
superheroes under a it has The Ambiguously Gay
1:04:13
Joo so uh sure what story there is that's ah I'm going to put this in the
1:04:19
show notes because I think our listeners will uh will love this page yeah go on
1:04:24
keep going
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oh god um okay I don't want Ambiguously Gay I want transgender well
1:04:34
that's I guess it shows how how up
1:04:39
to-date the comics world is I guess it's just a I think it's a boys club and
1:04:43
they're trying to change it I don't think I don't think we're going to end
1:04:45
up with um all bases covered anytime
1:04:50
soon three in Marvel Comics oh yeah who uh
1:04:56
Zen super scroll in training oh yes what a very very famous
1:05:03
I just say I hate Comics I just think they ridiculous where did you past departed
1:05:09
tarac 6 before competing his super scroll training to go and search for his
1:05:15
betrothed what comic is this in I don't
1:05:18
know it's comic Earth 16 Earth 66 I
1:05:24
don't know they're also confusing but they I mean none of the Avengers are
1:05:29
like gay or transgendered that's what I'm saying you you don't want your
1:05:32
favorites to be gay no no I'm saying I wasn't saying they're not allowed to be
1:05:36
I was saying they're not but none of the Avengers are G
1:05:42
that's not what I meant what I meant was they don't have any major character
1:05:48
think about it man Iron Man you think he's straight I don't think so I'm
1:05:53
saying if they can't wait till the next Avengers film with they're all panning
1:05:56
each other on the space but okay so they make Thor a woman
1:06:01
and then they've got it gets silly though because then you've got to have
1:06:04
okay so Captain America become Captain America's black becomes a woman silly
1:06:08
isn't it so then the Hulk's got to become gay and
1:06:14
then because he's the Big Bear of the group and
1:06:18
then Tony Stark is I don't know Tony Stark naked reveals that he was a woman
1:06:24
previously but he was born a
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man who became a man and now he he thinks he's a woman
1:06:36
again speaking at laughable pop culture stuff we'll end with uh with this I I I
1:06:43
saw something today online that just made me laugh and cringe in equal
1:06:46
measures um has anyone heard of Tagalongs no no okay Tagalongs are um
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Star Wars characters they're essentially little action figures um that have a
1:06:58
magnet on the butt and you also get a separate magnet to put under your shirt
1:07:02
so that the Star Wars car character can just sit on your shoulder and
1:07:07
essentially tag along this you go this is a a piece of merchandise yeah Star
1:07:13
Wars tag I need this of course you do are any of them
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gay I think all of them are gay Star Wars tag alongs Yoda there you
1:07:24
go oh this come from Disneyland do they apparently uh maybe yeah the Disney theme park
1:07:31
Tagalongs they huh well that's
1:07:36
ridiculous I saw this thing today yeah I did see the Yoda one maybe the Yoda is
1:07:40
the only Star Wars themed one maybe they're meant to be worn around
1:07:44
Disneyland yeah oh God I hated
1:07:47
Disneyland did you
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