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Some coronavirus relationships tips · Head Shrink Inc.

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  SPEAKER_01: Hey everyone's Doc David here.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have a guest that we're going to talk with.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's a buddy of mine.
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  SPEAKER_01: Stay tuned.
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  SPEAKER_00: You are drinking.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're and the life related.
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  SPEAKER_00: Daily living.
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  SPEAKER_01: Alright.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hey friends, welcome back to Head Drinking.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I want to introduce you to a friend of mine.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've known you for a long time.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right?
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  SPEAKER_01: I can't I can't remember how long I've known you.
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  SPEAKER_01: At least 20 years, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: You've known me since I was a kid.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you still look like a kid, so uh I basically am.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm just a man child.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're a hairy man child.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um 6'7 man child.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so welcome to the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: So uh we are on day 5,390 of the quarantine.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um hopefully you all are surviving well.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um I I'm surviving, trying to survive.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're on Instagram live as well, uh, trying to do something a little bit different with uh social media and have it be useful.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I wanted to have Dan come on today and to just talk about some of his experiences as he's been working with uh people during the coronavirus quarantine stay home order.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um and I have been as well.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_01: I just got off a session with someone today, like 20 minutes ago.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I still there's there's kind of the silliness around the quarantine and stay home, but it is really affecting people in a negative way.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_01: Uh there's a lot of anxiety that I've been seeing uh coming up in conversations, and actually I've had several couples um you know tell me that well that they are divorcing.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_01: I've I've it's funny, I had a couples session that's supposed to be happening today, and uh I I got told last week that only one half of the couple is coming because the other half decided to not be in the relationship anymore.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_01: So it'll be interesting, it'll be an interesting conversation.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_01: So, what have been so so Dan, tell tell my audience a little bit about yourself.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_02: I'm a therapist in private practice in Camas, Washington, and I primarily work with families, but I also work with couples and individuals.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_02: I've actually been working a lot with couples too lately, so and I've been for like the last six weeks, probably more, doing telehealth, which is doing psychotherapy remotely through phone and video conferencing.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_02: So it's been it's been an adjustment to say the least.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, phone.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_02: I I love phone.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_02: Really?
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I love phone.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_01: I was just on the phone and I I hated it.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_01: I I can't I kept not hearing the person well.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I it was on speakerphone, I don't know.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_01: I did not like it.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_02: Well uh it I've I've run into problems both ways with like doing video conferencing, it will get laggy and choppy because bad internet connection.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: But then with phone, it will break, it will cut in and out, and so either way's been less than ideal.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_01: So what's so what's been some of the themes, what have been some of the themes that you've uh run into while working with the couples and uh just the people you've been working with?
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um ever everybody's kind of thrown off kilter, right?
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_02: And and I think everyone's experiencing a newfound appreciation for their jobs and for school, which is funny, right?
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I hate this job.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_01: I really wish I could get back to this job.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_02: Before this, it's like complain, complain, complain about school and job, and now it's like, oh, I wish I could get back.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I I think what it highlights for me, the theme that it that really comes out is how work and school provides you with routine and structure for your day, for your week, and for your month.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_02: And now that that structure is gone, everybody's feeling thrown off kilter, and it's really disrupting not just their personal day-to-day, but their psychological sense of regularity and security and normalcy.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_02: So, where I've been trying to advise clients is even though you don't have the structure provided to you by school and work, you still have to kind of you still have the responsibility to give yourself structure.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_02: So you're gonna have to manufacture it in a manner of speaking and self-impose it.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_02: So every day I wake up at this time, every day I eat at the same time.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_02: I've got to do something for my physical health, I've got to do something for my social health.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're physically distant from others, but we're not socially distant because we can still do this.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I've got to do some practical things around the house.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe I have a little bit of time to get into like a passion project.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_02: But that's how I've been coaching people is to just structure your day in a really simple way and then just expand out from there to your week and to your month.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_02: And so the clients who have done that, I would say, have fared better than the clients who haven't done that and are still just kind of struggling and feeling lost.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_02: So there's a lot of ways I've been trying to coach clients through this, but that's been one basic foundational way.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_02: If they're not doing that, what others whatever other suggestions I have for them aren't really gonna do much good because they've got to get that basic foundational structure nailed down.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_02: How about for you?
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_02: What how have you been uh coaching clients through this?
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so it was interesting.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_01: When when the quarantine first happened, I think, or the stay home order, whatever you want to call it, when when people started staying home or there was uh this Facebook post that I don't know where it came from, but oh, are your kids out of school?
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_01: Here's a schedule to follow up, right?
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's like 8 to 8:30, breakfast, 8:40 to whatever, do this.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_01: And it like took took them throughout the day.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_01: I had so many uh parents, moms in particular, like beating themselves up over that, uh thinking how that's so unrealistic, how can I do that?
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like a horrible mom.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_01: And and I was thinking, you know, the person that posted that probably like they started out with the ideal of, oh, this is gonna be a great schedule, but then they realize they quickly realized, oh wait, I gotta work.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_01: I have five kids or I have three kids that have different needs.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_01: And so that what I've told people uh is that you have to do what works for your family.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so if it works for your family to roll out of bed at nine because you stayed up late the night before, my family is a family of night owls, right?
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_01: So I'll I'll I'll go to bed probably around 10:30.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_01: Some of my daughters now that you know there's really you can't you have to you're staying at home.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_01: They get caught up on a TV show with their mom, and so then they're rolling into bed at like 12 or 1.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so that's not conducive to getting up at 7.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I'm and we're fine with that because that's just kind of how our family rolls.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_01: But you add to that uh work if both parents are trying to work, and and so it's just gonna be different for every family.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_01: And I so that's been the kind of the theme and message that I've been telling families is there's no right way to do uh quarantine or a stay home order.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um everyone's gonna be different.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_01: I have to say to my podcast listeners, uh I was staring at my screen, my Skype screen, and then I realized, oh wait, no one can see, no one can know.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_01: So then I realized, okay, I don't know if you noticed that.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_01: I wasn't looking at the Instagram live screen.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_02: It was a great shot of your forehead.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_01: That's okay.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_01: I get technology.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_01: I don't identify with a boomer yet, but I there's been so many times that my kids say, okay, boomer, and I'm thinking, no, I'm a gen, I'm a gen Xer, I'm not a boomer.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_01: Anyways, uh so that's what I've been doing uh with with families.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_01: The other the other thing I've been talking with couples about is really encouraging them to not make life-altering decisions right now.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_01: I think uh a lot of times what happens is you're you're you can't leave the home, and so you're inundated and sitting next to this person uh 24-7.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_01: And normally you'd be able to go to work and have some space, and now there's not this space between you and this uh your partner.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, there's these small little things that you've always overlooked that you're starting to not be able to overlook.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_01: And so whatever it is, right?
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like maybe they bite their fingernails and it annoys you now extremely.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so what I've been telling people is uh don't make drastic life choices like divorce because of the stay home order.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um try to create some purposeful space.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_01: And and what that what I think that looks like is just going up to your partner and saying, hey, I need to uh just whether it's for my mental health or whatever, I need to uh have some space for the next two hours.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_01: Can we work that out and then I'll let you take space for two hours?
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_01: And I think we're so used to space because we leave at eight, we're gone for you know eight hours, and then we come home.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_01: And that's the space.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_01: We're not getting that now.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's just like I know I said I'd love you till death does part, but man, you can get you can get really annoying to me.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um I would say that to your partner because that that would just make things worse.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like, have you been finding that that people are getting kind of overwhelmed with their relationships?
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think I think uh I had a c one client where they were just having a really hard time, and so they're like, they're kind of saying, like, see, you know, this is proof that we were never meant to be.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm just like, well, hold on, like, this is pretty unique circumstances, right?
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_02: Like, how many times does COVID-19 come through and we have a global pandemic, and we're all self-quaranting?
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, have you ever done this?
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_02: I've never done this.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm a first timer, and um I would say we there's a failure to give proper credit to the stress and anxiety that self-quarantine quarantining has created.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and so people are are inappropriately attributing it to their partner.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yo, you're stressing me out.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_02: You're you know You're the jerk.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_02: You loaded you loaded those dishes wrong.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um what was the post I saw that was like me and my wife are playing I would well, I wouldn't do it that way game, and no one's winning.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I thought that was pretty good.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um but I I think it's important for people to keep in mind the kind of the background stress that that self-quarantining is creating.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_02: Because I've had clients will say it's so eerie going outside and no one, you know, there's no cars on the on the freeway, uh the the shelves are empty at the grocery store, everyone's wearing masks.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_02: It feels very surreal.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_02: It feels very eerie and very anxiety-provoking.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_02: And if you have if you are a person who is immunosuppressed, or you have a loved one who's immunosuppressed, that's just another layer of anxiety and worry to this whole thing.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um, especially when you're considering that you're completely out of your norm and you can't go connect with people that you would normally connect with.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_02: So we're in pretty bizarre circumstances, and I think that's having a pretty wide-scale mental health impact.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um I find it useful that a lot of clients are accessing telehealth, although not everyone's stuck with me to make the transition to telehealth, which is unfortunate.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_02: But I mean, there's a plethora of services, and so I think people need to seek out services more now than ever because this is pretty unprecedented times, and it does have a pretty massive, has a pretty significant mental health impact on couples and families and individuals.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um for parenting.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_02: I've had so many parents struggle with the issue of A, how do I keep my kid on task and like doing something, and not staying up till 2 a.m.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_02: every morning and then sleeping in most of the day and barely doing their school.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_02: That's that freshman and then sneaking out and and breaking the stay-at-home orders to connect with friends.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_02: And so parents have just been racking their brains over how to overcome this.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_02: And so I've tried to help them navigate that, but you know, it's like I'm I'm kind of at a loss, too.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_02: Like, there's no playbook for this, you know.
• 14:10
  unknown: Right.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_02: How about for you with parents?
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I think it mostly it's been about the scheduling, right?
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: So it's the it's the oh, I'm a horrible parent because this isn't happening, or even the ones that are doing the schooling, um, there's parents that are kind of rigid about it, and there's parents that are much more flexible.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_01: And so I I try to tell them, you know, all that your kid is really missing out on is two months of schooling, let's say, in reality.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_01: And is that really going to impact them negatively in the fall?
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_01: I I don't I don't think it is.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_01: I I think for those kids that are super motivated to be successful, they're they're this is just an inconvenience.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_01: They're gonna continue to be all over the Zoom meetings and et cetera, et cetera.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_01: The kids that are kind of that are not really motivated, they're just gonna not do school for two months and then school's gonna start up in the fall and they're gonna just restart another channel.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: I think the the school districts, uh I don't know if it's statewide, but uh basically no kids can fail.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_01: Have you heard that?
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, right.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_02: And so some yeah, something like that.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: The kids that were getting Fs going into the quarantine, they're like, yeah, baby.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not yeah, I'm passing into the next grade.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um I don't know, it's hard, it's it's hard for those school districts to decide what to do.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_01: But um what I've been telling parents is is in regards to like the scheduling stuff again, is to uh do what works for your family, because again, this is not this is not the norm, right?
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_01: I mean I think everyone would agree with that.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um now we uh we both have young children, but yours are you yours are younger than mine.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_01: Well, how is that working?
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_02: It's not working.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_02: It's working.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: I I saw this, I saw this Facebook post that said nine months from now there's gonna be all these babies born.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: And and I was thinking, I don't know if that's actually true.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: I think nine month nine months from now, or no, I think like when stay-home orders are lifted, there's gonna be a ton of vasectomies because they're realizing they're realizing, oh man, I don't want no more kids.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: This has been horrible.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, yeah.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_02: I mean children children born in this period will be called children of the corn.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_01: I need a I need to.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_02: I can't I can't claim that as a Dan original.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um one another way I've been coaching clients is to try to reframe this experience and to try to find the opportunities in it.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_02: Because I've had a number of clients say, you know, being home this much has given them opportunities to um like if there's a problem going on, normally with the routine, they could kind of escape.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_02: And so they weren't really forced to work through the issues.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_02: And so this is this has forced them to stay at home, not escape, and work through it.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_02: And so I've seen actually a number of positives come from come from that.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um other reframes I've seen too are that, like with students, if they're kind of behind or struggling in a certain subject, you know, I've coached them to say, hey, you know, with your normal schedule and routine, you wouldn't normally have the time to have a concentrated, focused period of time to work, to up your skills, to up your game in that subject.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_02: Now you do.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_02: Now you have no excuse to just have this hyper-focused time to really build your knowledge, your skills, your abilities in that particular weak area.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_02: And so for some students, they're like, wow, this is incredible.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_02: Like, what an opportunity, even though this is horrible and people are dying.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um I've had to I've had to tell people, you know, we can't just let this be bad.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_02: We can't just let this whole debacle be um sad and depressing and and a catastrophe and a tragedy.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_02: We've got to make some meaning out of it and find the good in it.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_02: And so if it's if it takes you looking for an opportunity that you wouldn't normally be able to experience, then go for it.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_02: By all means seize that opportunity and make something good of this.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think so.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: Those would be the kids that are motivated to have have a slight amount of motivation, right?
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: The ones that you're telling, uh, you know, make the most of this, and here's a chance to well, the issue is that they don't.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_02: They don't have motivation, so doing the reframe is like it unlocks something to say, oh, you're right, I didn't see it that way.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_02: Now I'll go, now I'm feeling motivated to go pursue this, right?
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_02: Instead of just saying, This is depressing, I can't be with my friends, I'm gonna get behind in school, I'll just stay in bed all day.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_01: Which a lot of play Call of Duty modern war z play Call of Duty modern Warzone all day.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_02: Or play Warzone all day.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: Which to be honest, I've been I've just started uh getting into that.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_01: So but I don't have any school to do, so it's all good.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: I just I just have kids to parent.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_01: You know, no big easy, no big deal.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um now your wife's a nurse.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_01: Is she is she I I know you guys are moving, so is she still working or is she are you guys?
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she's still working.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, is she interacting with any COVID stuff?
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I mean it's it's there's a lot of documented cases in Clare County, so she's having to take precautions.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_02: I think all the hospitals are prepping and taking taking on as many training and preparations as they can.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_02: So um that's definitely it's definitely a factor for us and for a lot of people who have family members in in the medical field.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um what's what what did I hear the other day?
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_02: Uh as the medical health professional community goes, so will the population.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_02: So if they're you know they're struggling, then that's going to trickle down to the population.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_02: So we we really need to, I think, support our medical community and give them whatever resources and appreciation they need.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: So and that includes like mental health too.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_01: Because I mean that's I've seen an uptick in that with clients of mine, like new clients, um, nurses and first responders that I've been working with, that um I think a lot of times, especially for first responders that tend to be of the male persuasion, um, they like to think, I got this, I can handle this, and they compartmentalize things.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, this this is potentially a scary thing because it impacts your family in a way that um usually with first responders, you can just leave your work at home and you don't have to take it with you.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: But this is something like you could bring home to your family, and and you don't realize you're gonna bring it home to your family.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_01: So there's a bit more stress that I've seen from from first responder clients that I have um that's been going on as well.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_01: Uh okay, so any other final words of wisdom?
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um Doing doing the structure, you know, imposing a structure on your day, your week, and your month, um, reframing the experience, I think has been good.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_02: And I know it sounds corny, but I think a lot of people feel helpless right now and kind of powerless over this.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_02: And I I do think, and and not there's no political angle to this at all, but you know, staying home, hashtag stay home, stay lives, save lives.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it it is a way to participate in kind of a social cause.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_02: Like I'm I feel distant and isolated from everyone, right?
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_02: But by staying home, I'm flattening the curve, and so that's a way for me to actually participate in something that everybody's participating in that is having a social good.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_02: And so I think even though yes, you're sitting home and it could be depressing and isolating, isolating, you're still doing something that's that everybody's joining in on that is for the betterment of the of the of the whole.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, that's that's one way to look at it too.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_01: I I've thought of a new phrase, flatten the curve, flatten your building.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_01: I I'm thinking maybe I I should probably do that.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: I I have not eaten, uh I mean, I say that because I have not eaten better uh in a long time, right?
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of time my appointments uh mean I'm not at home at night because I see clients uh later into the evening.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um but I've changed that recently, and so I I like getting these major good meals.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's like my wife, and so we're not going out at all.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_01: We're foraging, everything's being delivered to us.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: Or one time I went to Safeway and they put it in my truck.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um it's like it's crazy how well my wife is foraging.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: If if we lived in the 1800s, um, I I would have venison coming out my ears and rabbit because she's so amazing.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my, that sounds incredible.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's super incredible.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, thanks for being on here with me.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for listening, podcast.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for viewing viewers.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Dan and I are gonna try to make this a bit more regular.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: So if you have questions that come up, um feel free to send them to me at my Facebook page, Doc David.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: Dan, what's your page?
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um you can find me on Facebook, Counselor Dan.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_02: Uh on Instagram.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_02: I think I'm the the Mental Health Guy, at the mental health guy.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_02: So that's where you can find me.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_02: I'm pretty active on my Facebook page.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_02: So if you want to interact with me on uh at all, go to Counselor Dan on Facebook.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_01: All right, thanks guys.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_01: Uh we will try to be more regular with the pods here.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um have a great weekend.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_02: Is that gonna show up on my feed?