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Patton Guillen Hangs Out With The Magic Guys #242 · The Magic Guys

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  They're guys. They do magic. They are the magic guys.
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  That is a big fish. Ladies and gentlemen, that has no context if you're listening to this bit.
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  I'm Josh Dombito. Welcome to episode 242 of the Magic Guys.
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  To my left, we've got Nick Kay. Hey guys, I'm Nick Kay and underneath me is Doug Kahn.
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  What's up, y'all? Salutations.
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  Salutations. Salutations. Hello. Doug just showed us a giant fish prop.
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  I know this has appeared in an episode before, but is there actually a practicality
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  used for that in a routine?
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  One moment. Let me get my fish wrangler over here. Eric, bring the fish.
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  Wow, you have an official fish wrangler. The new hire. The young Jedi,
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  Eric Stevens. We'll talk to him more again soon.
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  He's in the house. Yeah, this is the appearing fish, duh. What else would it be?
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  Ah, I like it. I like it. And you know what? Doug, someone liked the fish so much.
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  Herbert has donated $10 to the episode. Whoa!
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  Mate, you are too kind, and it's too early to be so kind. And you know what?
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  Oh, first of all, Nick, who else we got in the group today? Who's hanging out with us?
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  Well, as you guys know, we do the show live here at the Magic Guys.
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  And in the chat, if you have any questions, please pop them in there before we introduce our guest.
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  We have a good friend, Tim Askin. He'd be asking him a question.
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  Poe boy, good to see you again, bud. Herbert, thank you kindly for your donation.
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  We have Michael. Guys, again, put your questions in there. Hey,
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  you made the live stream.
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  Also, shout out to Gareth Bell. It's his birthday today. He's listening to the show as well.
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  Big love to you, Gareth. So, guys, our guest this evening is quite a special up-and-comer.
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  I think that we should jump straight into it so we don't waste any more time.
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  Absolutely. But real quick, ladies and gentlemen, we got new merch, baby.
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  If you don't want to buy it yourself, just comment and like the actual video we posted.
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  But guys, this is actually a really soft t-shirt, comfortable t-shirt. It's really nice.
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  Yeah, it's really cool. And it just really has the nice touch of,
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  you know, a magician that practices all their slights and just,
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  you know, you've got to trust in the slight.
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  And that's what this shirt resembles. So, magicians unite, and I look forward
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  to seeing these around in the concrete playground, as they say.
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  But you'll see more of that, I'm sure, coming up and in some of our reels where
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  we're wearing them and...
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  Just be a magic guy, right? All right, Nick. Yeah, go buy that thing.
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  Go buy that shirt. Thanks, Doug.
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  I left mine in the washing machine this morning. Sorry.
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  Excellent. We're all about professionalism here at the Magic Guys.
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  That's why I'm not... Wait, I was never hired.
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  What am I talking about? There's no hiring here. Yeah, I know.
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  That's right. It costs us money to make this podcast, but it's all for you guys.
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  And now that we have $10, you know what?
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  And Herbert, I'm going to send you a coupon for $10 off a shirt,
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  because if you want to buy one, you're already halfway there, my friend.
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  I think they're only $19.95 US. You know, we can't afford that in Australia,
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  but for you guys, that's cheap as.
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  Let's press on. We have an amazing guest today. Nick's going to tell us all about him.
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  Guys, this amazing guest, I've had the pleasure of knowing him since he was
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  a junior, and he is an absolute gentleman then and has evolved into a phenomenal
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  magician now. I caught up with him when I was in Magic Live last.
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  He was kind enough to join me for lunch.
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  And out of all the magic I've seen, out of all the amazing world-class talent
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  I saw, I say this without any hesitation.
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  The best thing about Las Vegas for me was sitting opposite a table with this
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  gentleman. And I said that it's only a matter of time before he becomes too
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  big for his boots and doesn't have time for us here at The Magic Guys.
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  So I said, please come and chat with us. so we can show the world who you are
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  before you come too big for your britches.
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  So please join me in welcoming the amazing, all the way from Viva Las Vegas, Pat and Gillian.
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  Hello my friends how are you,
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  and welcome to the show please tell our friends who are you and what do you do How's it going, guys?
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  I'm Patton. I am a magician, obviously, out of Las Vegas. I just moved here
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  almost a year ago, so I've been here since February.
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  I'm heavy on cards, but I do all magic. I just was in Spain at the school Juan
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  Tamariz, which is really, really cool, and I got to meet a lot of Spanish magicians
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  in Escorial and all these things, and it was very, very cool.
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  I'm a student of Alan Ackerman. I study with Alan a lot, and yeah,
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  and I consult for Xavier Mortimer.
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  So I build magic and create magic for him. So those are some of the things.
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  And I perform at the John Wick experience in Las Vegas.
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  Just to preface this, before we go any further, that is probably only a tenth
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  of how big your resume actually is.
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  But I want you to understand, you've achieved all this at what age are you now?
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  I'm 24. What a little shit. 24.
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  What a show-off what a
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  show-off and i
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  can't you thank you classify patten as
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  the best thing in las vegas after staying on my couch that's so good that is
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  true that is true i do like your cats and we love you doug we love you doug
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  oh god man so let's let's take it from the beginning pat let's get to know you
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  before we press on now i know that you that you're obviously card heavy but like,
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  where did it begin? Where did the magic journey begin for yourself?
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  I started magic when I was six or seven years old and I learned a trick and
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  I went to school and I did it for people and they definitely knew how I did it.
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  But, and I knew that they knew, but I noticed that people still had a good time, even though they knew.
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  And I realized, wait, I could make it, I could do it correctly or I could do
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  it wrong. And we're still having a good time.
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  And I'm a huge people pleaser. So I realized it's a win-win.
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  I can please people with magic anyways. And then as I got more into it,
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  my parents invested in my future and they sent me off to Tannen's Magic Camp in Philadelphia.
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  And that's when it really changed in my brain what the hierarchy of good magic is.
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  I mean, being a 10, 11, 12-year-old meeting Aussie Wind just shattered my mind.
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  And that was a really, really cool thing.
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  And since then, I've been go into a lot of conventions and things.
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  But the bottom line, it's all about the people. And I just love people.
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  And I found magic was a good tool for that. And it also helps with ADHD.
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  Practicing a sleight of hand move over and over and over again was a great,
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  fidget spinner type of thing for me. So it was fun. I enjoy it.
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  Yeah. If you're going to do something repetitively, do something that's going
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  to make you a few bucks in the process, right?
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  Exactly. Well, if at the time I didn't even know it would be a career thing,
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  there was a point before, I think it was right before my mom sent me to magic camp.
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  Actually, my mom and my dad, they said, do you want to do this like for money
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  or do you want to do this for fun?
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  And like, we need to know now before we invest in this. And I'm like,
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  I'll do it for money. And then boom, there you go.
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  Like whatever answer I have to say to be sent to Tannins, I will say,
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  please, please, please.
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  I'm not saying that very,
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  Sorry, go ahead. I was just going to say, going to that Tannins Magic Camp is a leg up.
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  Like you go there and you get to really brush shoulders with the greats in the business.
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  I know who's teaching there and it's an amazing alumni.
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  That's the best thing. I couldn't recommend it more to anyone.
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  And even if people shy away, they say, oh, it costs a lot.
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  You get every penny's worth and more from it. For sure.
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  100%. The thing that I've gotten the most out of it is the friendships.
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  I mean, I'm friends with people all around the world from that camp and I'm
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  friends with them to this day.
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  And he actually, one of them was with me in Spain and we've known each other
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  for eight years from magic camp, which was really cool.
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  So, well, that's actually how we met because one of my students was going to
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  magic camp, which was, which was Gali. And that's how I met you. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah. She was like, come meet, you said to me, come and meet all my tenants
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  friends. And we, we actually met at like a TGI Fridays at the,
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  at the Orleans and we had a session there. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
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  Yeah. And you were just shredding up, you know, and I was like,
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  and I've just adored you ever since.
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  I'm like this kid is so lovely but let's
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  talk about this this this big jump you've made because the
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  thing yeah your your career has really
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  rocketed and it's phenomenal and what i mean by that is that like with
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  all the things not only with your gigs but you've been connecting with yeah
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  would you say that all started with you jumping into vegas about was about an
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  eight let's say year and a half ago now that you just went i'm gonna take the
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  jump so yeah i i you know what's interesting is i was connected with a lot of
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  people before then from conventions and things But I lived in Alabama,
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  which there's not as many magicians, right? And...
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  Vegas definitely was the first step in blossoming those connections and making a lot, lot more.
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  And also having it be your full-time thing, because I worked in the hospital, right?
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  So I did magic part-time. I did some gigs, but that wasn't like my main thing.
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  So I didn't really have time to talk to some people because I was working.
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  But now when it's like literally my thing is to meet people and perform,
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  it is, I mean, since February, it's been a movie. It's been insane.
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  You got here about the same time i did i remember you came
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  out not too long after i got here and i said who's this
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  young whippersnapper and i saw you you did
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  a wonderground you did a set maybe there and then
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  i also saw you at the open mic where you just slated
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  did about what 40 minutes
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  straight there solo about 40 minutes of
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  card magic yeah and that's my thing is like people
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  are like do you have a 45 minute set and i'm like sure and
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  i just jazzed 45 minutes right now i'm trying to build
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  a solid card act but i just put a bunch of things together in module
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  ways so that was what that was yeah so if
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  you had to describe your style of card magic you know yeah like when you think
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  of ozzy wind you can imagine that style you think of correct guante marise you
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  can think of that style is that what style do you enjoy i have a i have a very
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  very fair organized chaos,
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  with high energy that's me probably uh somebody actually it's interesting i
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  didn't think about this at at some of the guys were saying that i have a very
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  similar performing style to chad long.
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  And that's who they said that that yeah so it's
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  interesting yeah so it's kind of like almost a little bit of
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  blend of danny and and danny
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  drt's with chad long and all kinds
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  of other inspirations yeah spanish for sure we don't get exposed to chad long
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  here in oz a whole bunch like there's very little sort of content that reaches
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  our shores i mean i feel like chad long is someone you have the privilege of
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  seeing in person quite a bit and i guess what kind of comes up the back of that
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  is that like with these influences and so forth,
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  would you say that it was more.
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  The in-person tutelage that shaped you as a person?
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  Or would you say that what shaped you was more so with regards to like what
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  you did behind the scenes with your books and your DVDs?
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  I think, I think it's more, I think, I think the best genuine performing style
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  is when you can really take your personality and just pump it up on steroids.
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  So like me performing is just me, but like
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  maybe a little extra you know what i mean so that's
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  kind of how i but but definitely what i've learned and
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  who i've gotten inspired by has formed the type
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  of magic i do and how i perform for sure but i think i think i perform just
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  i just let my personality up that's that's what i do because you're being recognized
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  as one of like these really top slider hand guys right now in vegas you know
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  you're getting that accolade left right and center thank you what are the what
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  would you say maybe the top three to five sort of pillars that really give you
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  that? Because I bring this up. Oh, good.
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  Yeah. I don't want to say this with beguilement, right? But like,
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  you know, you, you, you watch a couple of things like, like a masterclass on
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  vanishing and you'll see a bunch of people that you hadn't heard before.
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  And you're watching this stuff
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  and you, and you're going, none of this is grabbing me. Like it's okay.
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  And none of this is like this Jedi level. Like when I sit up as it yourself.
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  And if you were going to say to people, if you want to reach this master Jedi
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  level of card magic, Like.
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  What do you think of the key pillars to that? I think tricks are important.
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  Effects are important of what you do and what you find out and what you learn.
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  But I think more important than that is pacing.
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  Pacing and the way that you frame things. That's so much more important than anything.
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  I've learned, and I've learned this recently over the past couple of years,
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  that you could take a good trick and it could become a great trick with good
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  pacing and good framing. and it's the way you perform it.
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  The pause is in the right moments and things like that. That can take something
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  that's good and make it great.
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  Really, really great. So, yeah. Could you give us an example of that?
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  Yeah. So, for instance, okay, out of sight, out of mind, right?
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  So, out of sight, out of mind is something that I really, really love.
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  And one thing I've noticed is that a lot of people will rush through it.
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  They'll very much rush through it. Let's clarify, Out of sight,
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  out of mind first. Out of sight.
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  So, I could actually do an out of sight, out of mind right here for you.
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  Does that sound cool? Let's go.
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  Okay, we'll try this. I'll try this. I'll mix the cards like this, okay?
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  And look, I'm just going to go like this. And Nick, just say stop.
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  Stop. Sure. Can you just do me a favor and just look at a card,
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  but don't say it. Not the bottom one. That's too easy. Do you have one? Okay.
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  Yes. Perfect. Awesome. Don't say the card. Just think of it off the top of your head, okay?
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  If I take the cards and I mix it, it loses the card. So we don't know exactly
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  where your card is, but we know it's probably somewhere inside here, right?
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  If I go like this, be honest. Do you see your card in here?
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  I do not. No, because it's in my pocket. I'm just kidding. That would be great.
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  That'd be great. No, no, no. That'd be insane.
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  Just say it over and over again off the top of your head like the five of diamonds,
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  the five of diamonds, the five of diamonds, right?
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  It's not the five of diamonds, but say it in your head like it is. You know what I mean?
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  We'll try this. This will be interesting. If I give it a cut,
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  I'm going to put cards in my hand and try to stop on the one you're thinking of. So I go like this.
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  I think we're close.
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  Should I go one more? Should I go one more? Yeah.
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  Yeah? Yeah. That's it. What was your card? Five of hearts.
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  And there it is that's the final error right small
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  pauses in certain parts not rushing the reveal the
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  build-up adding i think i think an interesting thing
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  is adding dramatics in certain points like pauses and
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  and also leading them to expect something else i i
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  do that all the time rob and then it's interesting is
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  you can foreshadow you can unplanly foreshadow like
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  i'll do a card to pocket and i'll and i'll tease
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  oh i'm not good enough to do it it's in my pocket no i'm not good enough to
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  do that and then later i'll do the card to pocket right so you could just tease
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  it which is fun certain things framing yeah that's that's pace that's more of
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  a pacing kind of thing you know what i mean the best thing we can do is misdirect
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  them to where the ending is going to be.
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  Exactly yes yeah that's that's the best part that's the best part but also a
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  thing that i've learned is it like think of it like a tempo and you and if i
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  feel like a lot of magicians will speed up when they're doing something at the
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  dirt, the dirty work, don't break tempo.
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  That's a big thing that I've been working on a lot lately is not breaking tempo
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  and creating ripples. And what is your advice to finding that tempo?
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  Figure out where your energy level is at. If you're more of a melodramatic person,
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  then that's, that's, that's, you know, if you, but if you're more of like a
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  high energy, you know, but don't go too fast.
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  That's a thing. I, I, I working on that myself is not speeding up too much,
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  right? Slowing down in certain points.
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  And letting it like milk it, you know what I mean? Really milk it.
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  So that's important. But like it depends on your performing style and you can
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  kind of tell and also test the waters like.
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  Do you get better reactions going like this, or do you get better reactions
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  going like this? And do the same trick, and then test.
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  Same trick fast, or same trick slow, and then you can test what works best based
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  on how people react. And what do you use for your testing grounds?
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  Just doing it for people. Literally just go do magic for people.
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  Those John Wick shifts are pretty good, right? What are you doing,
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  like six hours over there?
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  Six hours. Yeah, I'm going to be doing six hours tonight as well.
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  It's really, really fun.
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  Yep. that's how you get good yeah i love
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  it go do a bunch yeah no it it's the
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  best thing ever really and also different groups of
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  people different personalities it's so fun what is the like layout of that will
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  you rock up and just go for six hours like are people seated at the restaurant
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  areas in that yeah so so there's two there's two different there's two different
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  areas to do magic right there's the so it's based off of the movie john wick
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  obviously and in the movie there's the continental,
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  which is like the assassin's hotel.
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  Right. And when you walk in, you check in for your reservation,
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  so to say, and there is a hotel lobby waiting area. So that's,
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  that's one of the places that you could do magic, which is very interesting.
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  Walk around to the tables before they, while they queue up to do the experience.
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  And then the one that I really liked, the one that I liked the most is the speakeasy.
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  So the speakeasy is once you go through the whole experience you come
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  out at the end in this like very nightclub ish setting and that's
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  like kind of like the red circle from the movie where John Wick
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  is going and killing all these people on the dance floor right so that's
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  like the vibe that it's giving heavy bass house music and a lot of a lot of
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  lights everywhere and the the idea there is you're like the last point of contact
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  if you're doing magic there you're the last thing that they see you're the last
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  you're the end of the experience they can go and get John Wick inspired cocktails
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  and stuff and you just keep them there drinking as long as you can while just doing magic.
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  You know, there's no pressure on anything. It's really, really fun.
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  What a great environment. And they come in waves, right? So it's interesting.
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  The end of the experience ends with this like explosion. And I don't really
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  exactly know where it is, but I can hear it.
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  And that's how I know that a wave of people is about to walk through the door.
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  So it's really cool. Yeah.
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  Yeah. It's really, really fun. Where is that here in Vegas? Is that at the Area 15?
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  It's at Area 15. Yeah. It's at Area 15. And it is.
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  It's a really, really cool experience. I highly recommend it to anybody.
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  And they also start starting to hold events for this past Halloween.
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  They did like a masquerade ball and it was really really fun so
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  yeah very a lot of cool things you know there's a lot of people
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  who are aspiring to to do gigs exactly like what you're describing could
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  you share some of your approaches to like approaching tables
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  or groups or anything of that nature do you have a script that you kind of prefer
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  that you'd be yeah i do have a script actually yeah i do i i said so so so what
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  is it undersell over deliver so like what i'll do is i'll i'll walk up and what
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  what do i say i say uh i say how y'all doing y'all doing all right,
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  good introduce myself my name's patten i'm the house magician i'm the magician
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  for the evening would y'all like to see some some magic if it sucks you have
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  to boo me that's the only deal,
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  okay and then they're like i'll boo you and some of the guys will be witty and
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  they'll be like i'll boo you they'll be like oh this guy this guy will boo me
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  right you just play along with it it's a very light kind of thing and then it's
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  it's fun it's fun at the end sometimes people will be like well i didn't get
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  to boo you i really wish i could have booed you you know which is awesome.
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  That's a really subtle show of confidence to say that.
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  Because someone nervous or not good wouldn't say, would you all like to see some magic?
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  But you have to boo me if I'm bad. You wouldn't say that unless you know you've
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  got a loaded gun. It's a really clever little twist.
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  Yeah it works it works it works very very well and also makes people very like
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  all right they're expecting it to be bad so kind of not really but you can tell
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  that their rate their shield is very very down when you say that yeah it's great
• 20:54
  yeah yeah it's also very brave,
• 20:58
  question josh no i was gonna let you go i interrupted i just said it was brave that's all,
• 21:03
  yeah yeah would you like me to do my thing where i butt in
• 21:05
  all the time please what you got doug
• 21:08
  yeah tell what and
• 21:12
  what's your approach to an opener will you use it
• 21:15
  will you perform card magic or will you try to do something that is not going
• 21:20
  to make them say i've seen this one before you know this is this is very this
• 21:23
  is a lot of magicians do this and i do this for a specific reason because i've
• 21:28
  created multiple phases with it but double cross is like such a great opener
• 21:32
  it establishes instantly,
• 21:35
  this is who I am this is the type of stuff that I'm doing and it's really really great that's the show,
• 21:42
  thanks for listening I'm just kidding.
• 21:47
  You got something against the double cross Norbido? what's up?
• 21:51
  No no no it's such a strong effect but that's interesting a lot of magicians
• 21:58
  use it everyone uses it Josh knows it's better than any of his memdeck works.
• 22:04
  I love memdeck. Memdeck's the best. But my thing is this.
• 22:09
  Just because I've seen it a thousand times doesn't mean these people have ever
• 22:12
  seen it in their life, you know?
• 22:14
  And, and, you know, it's so funny. My friend was recently saying,
• 22:17
  he's like, we need to make a list of the celebrities that have been double crossed
• 22:20
  so that we never do that to them again. You know what I mean?
• 22:23
  I've seen another magician do that same thing because it's a, it's a problem.
• 22:28
  Yeah, no, everyone, everyone, here's, here's the thing though.
• 22:30
  Here's how you can take it and change it up a bit is if you do it right,
• 22:35
  you do the regular or double cross.
• 22:37
  Everyone for the rest of the night, obviously is going to say,
• 22:39
  can you do the X trick again? Cause that's like literally whatever it happens, you know?
• 22:45
  And then you say, I can't do it again, but I'll show you how it works.
• 22:49
  And they're like, really? Like, yeah, but you promise you can't tell anybody.
• 22:52
  And you either bring them aside or whatever. They're like, you're going to tell
• 22:55
  me really? I'm like, yeah, yeah.
• 22:56
  This time put your hands open, open this time so that you could see the X go
• 23:01
  on before your hand was closed.
• 23:02
  You didn't see it happen. Yeah. Move your hands out a little bit there.
• 23:04
  Okay. Keep your hands open though. right?
• 23:07
  Okay. Now you've marked them on the back of their hand. He's like,
• 23:10
  keep your hand left or right. Boom. Okay.
• 23:12
  Now keep your hand open. Watch. I'm going to take it right here.
• 23:14
  I'm going to throw it one watch close to, and they're like freaking out.
• 23:17
  And then you go three. And.
• 23:21
  I threw up and set it down. I threw up and set it down. And then you do that.
• 23:24
  You can double whammy it, which is great.
• 23:27
  And it works. You get away with it. And then if you want to do it a third time, right?
• 23:32
  If people keep begging you and then they start, because this has happened,
• 23:35
  where people will be like, I'll pay you a hundred bucks if you do it to my boyfriend
• 23:39
  or my friend or whatever.
• 23:40
  Be like, all right, bet. You find somebody that doesn't have sleeves on,
• 23:44
  because typically a lot of girls will wear dresses when their arms are exposed.
• 23:47
  You say, well, fine, I'll do it again. Come over here. Boom. Marks.
• 23:51
  On her shoulder, right? You move her right here. You say, look,
• 23:54
  Josh, you're going to be the magician now, okay?
• 23:56
  Here, take, take, if I draw an X here, take it, throw it at her, boom.
• 24:00
  You forgot to put your hands up.
• 24:03
  Well, and then you turn her and then it's on her arm, right?
• 24:08
  So you get three phases. And then the secret, the secret four phase that I figured
• 24:12
  out by going to, by back to now in the paternity days, is you could get it on
• 24:16
  somebody's forehead if they say, if you say they have an eyelash,
• 24:20
  which is you laugh this is
• 24:23
  all like shades of he'd have a sugar trick
• 24:26
  where he would tag people yeah at the bar like six or seven or ten times yeah
• 24:33
  it's great it's like the best thing ever you've just you've just shared an ambitious
• 24:37
  double cross routine with the world exactly yeah it's great i recommend everyone
• 24:42
  does it so that when people beg you to do the trick again And you can three more times.
• 24:48
  And also how funny is it when, when,
• 24:50
  your pal has an X on his forehead for the rest of the night.
• 24:54
  That's true. Yeah, that is funny.
• 24:57
  Yeah. Wow. Okay. So your routine is 10 phases of double cross.
• 25:02
  No, I don't start with all of it. I'll milk it out through the night.
• 25:07
  I won't do it all in one go. I'll just do the X trick and then I'll go into
• 25:10
  a card to pocket and then some other interesting things.
• 25:12
  But if people beg enough, you have an out, which is great.
• 25:19
  That's genius. right it's fun so look as well as being an amazing performer
• 25:24
  and and entirely creative obviously people around you have seen that level and
• 25:29
  basically employed you so let's talk about.
• 25:32
  What your works or how did you get involved with like xavier mortimer yeah yeah
• 25:37
  so so so some one of the reasons i moved out here one of my friends rodrigo
• 25:41
  his name's rodrigo navarro he's the the kindest guy in the world he's his main
• 25:46
  was xavier's main consultant and still is one of his main consultants.
• 25:50
  He, he's one of the guys that really told me. So I, I mean, I worked a full,
• 25:54
  full job right back in Alabama and it was a really hard thing leaving all that to do magic. Right.
• 26:01
  And he was one of the reasons he sat me down, I think at a magic live.
• 26:04
  And he was like, he was one of the couple people that was like,
• 26:07
  do you love what you do at the hospital? I'm like, no.
• 26:12
  It's like, do you love magic? I'm like, yeah. He's like, well,
• 26:14
  if you don't do this now, then you never will.
• 26:16
  So don't, you know, and, and when I moved out here, he helped me out a little
• 26:20
  bit. He performed in town square at this hookah bar, it's called Nuka.
• 26:23
  And he, he gave me a couple of those shifts, which was like super kind of him
• 26:27
  when I was the new guy in town.
• 26:28
  And then through that, I got some corporate gigs and then I just kept networking.
• 26:34
  But eventually Rodrigo started blossoming as a performer and as a content creator on social media.
• 26:39
  So he's kind of like, he's still consulting, but he's taken a little bit of
• 26:42
  a step back and he's letting me move in. and over the past four months move
• 26:48
  in and help Xavier out with his videos because Xavier's trying to get a lot
• 26:51
  more long-form content out there.
• 26:53
  So there needs to be a lot of ideas for that.
• 26:55
  So that's essentially what I do. I do glorified arts and crafts, which is really fun.
• 27:01
  What a fun career, though.
• 27:04
  Yeah, Rodrigo's a bro. He pops in trick supply now and again.
• 27:08
  Kindest guy ever. If you see Matt Franco's social media, you're seeing Rodrigo
• 27:13
  on there. him and PAS Magic are brothers.
• 27:16
  Him and Pete and yeah, they're all popping off hard with social media.
• 27:20
  And boy, they're just great fellows too, right? They're just super nice,
• 27:23
  down-to-earth people. We are. All of them.
• 27:25
  All of them. 100%. They're so kind.
• 27:29
  Pat, are you able to share what the creative process looks like for folks who
• 27:33
  are doing that TV-style magic?
• 27:35
  Are you able to share what that kind of looks like? Yeah, yeah,
• 27:38
  yeah. So this is interesting.
• 27:40
  So, okay. So first things first, everything's got to have context.
• 27:44
  You have to set your environment first. What environment are you doing something
• 27:46
  in? Are you doing it in a cafe?
• 27:48
  Are you doing it, you know, where, while you're going rock climbing, are you doing it?
• 27:53
  You know, I don't know. Are you doing on the Vegas strip?
• 27:56
  Where are you doing this magic? Cause that's important to give context.
• 28:00
  And at least Xavier style is more like hyper visual.
• 28:04
  So that's the stuff that we work on, but it could be anything.
• 28:07
  Think of it like this. Think of it like,
• 28:10
  You're Phineas and Ferb, and you could just build a magic tree house with no
• 28:13
  real method of how, you know, and then work backwards.
• 28:19
  So come up with the premise first and then work backwards into the method, right?
• 28:24
  And then you'll come up with a bunch of different methods, maybe five or six,
• 28:28
  and then one of them might actually work.
• 28:30
  You know, that's how we kind of do it. We think if I was sitting in this cafe,
• 28:34
  this sounds terribly sacrilegious, but you hear what I'm saying,
• 28:37
  if I'm in this cafe and I'm God, how would I prove to people that I'm God?
• 28:41
  You know, I could do anything I want, but I take, you know, this sugar and make
• 28:46
  every grain of sugar vanish inside of this packet. I don't know.
• 28:51
  Like, what would you do and what would be the coolest thing you could possibly do in this environment?
• 28:56
  Thinking that like physics and the way it works does not exist,
• 28:59
  you know, and through that you could come up with some really creative ideas.
• 29:02
  That's fun. I almost want to just give it a try right now.
• 29:07
  It's fascinating. And it really is. And you know what's interesting too is if
• 29:10
  you have an idea like that, like a really, really crazy idea that you think
• 29:14
  might be cool, you can also go on ChatGPT and be like, this is my idea.
• 29:19
  Can you give me logical things that might make it work?
• 29:22
  And sometimes you might get a little hit on ChatGPT, which is really, really cool. Yeah.
• 29:28
  You know i i was trying to make a i was
• 29:31
  trying to do like an audible convincer for a routine i was working on
• 29:34
  and i was jazzing all these different ideas and i
• 29:36
  had some thoughts on how i could make it work and then i actually asked
• 29:39
  jtp to like draw something for me and it did yeah
• 29:43
  i was like i was like look i want a thing i want
• 29:46
  it to work by your foot and i wanted to do this go
• 29:49
  and it was like okay and it drew me this thing and i'm
• 29:51
  like that's stupid it's great but i'm
• 29:55
  gonna take just that first little portion and like yeah
• 29:59
  you could take bits and pieces yeah i mean you know people a
• 30:02
  lot of people are against ai and using it and be like it's not organic or
• 30:05
  anything but i i think you know use the tools in
• 30:08
  your toolbox and it's not creating it for you by any means
• 30:11
  it's just kind of helping you get there you know yeah i
• 30:14
  think it would be crazy to not use it to at
• 30:17
  least prompt and and help add on top of the ideas we have already you know exactly
• 30:21
  especially scripting like we'll think we have a good script and then you just
• 30:25
  ask it like what could make this sound better in this context and 100% like
• 30:31
  I'm sure you could say like there's so much Xavier Mortimer content out there
• 30:35
  for example I'm sure you could say.
• 30:38
  We have to do a video on the beach for Xavier Mortimer, give me a hundred ideas.
• 30:42
  And like, there's going to be 10 that you can now work on and build something, I'm sure.
• 30:47
  Yeah, and, but what I recommend if you want the best ideas, say,
• 30:50
  give me, give me 10 ideas, but with no methods, just no methods, just ideas.
• 30:56
  Nice. And it'll, it'll get really creative and just come up with some crazy stuff.
• 31:01
  And some of it might be good. That is good. Speaking of good,
• 31:05
  do you have something else up your sleeve that you can...
• 31:08
  Share with us. I can see you. You've got your hands warmed up on the cards.
• 31:11
  Oh yeah. Um, Hmm. What could I do?
• 31:15
  Uh, yeah, sure. I'll try some. Uh, yeah, sure. This should be,
• 31:20
  I don't even know what to do. Sure.
• 31:24
  You have six hours of card tricks. I know I do. I know I do.
• 31:28
  All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. Bull crap, buddy. I've seen you.
• 31:32
  I'll do something. I'll do something. This is, this is true.
• 31:35
  This is Juan Tamariz. I'll do some Juan Tamariz, which is fun. How about that?
• 31:39
  Yeah, sure. That'd be good. Let's segue into what your time with him was like
• 31:42
  after this routine. Sure.
• 31:44
  So look, we have four black cards and four red cards. If I go like this,
• 31:47
  there's a red card, there's a black card.
• 31:49
  Red card, black card, red card. I'm trying to remember. Yeah,
• 31:54
  black card. I haven't done this one in a while.
• 31:57
  Red card. And then the last black card can go here or here, but I'll put it up here. Why not?
• 32:01
  So this will be interesting. We'll
• 32:04
  try to make this look as good for y'all as possible can y'all see this pretty
• 32:08
  well yes that's red black red black it's four red cards alternating red black
• 32:12
  red right right red black red black you can see this pretty well uh we'll try
• 32:15
  this this will be interesting i'm gonna try to mix unmix them like oil and water wash,
• 32:23
  red black red black three two just like that those are all the black cards those
• 32:30
  are all the red cards that's a good one oh wow.
• 32:37
  Now anyone following your socials saw recently that you spent quite a bit of
• 32:42
  time in spain yeah alongside one tamariz what is that experience well tell us
• 32:46
  exactly what that was and what the experience was like and what you took away
• 32:49
  from it well first things first i gotta say,
• 32:52
  Juan, you know, they always say don't meet your heroes, but Juan is everything
• 32:55
  that you could expect and more, right?
• 32:57
  He's like the kindest person and he's so sweet.
• 33:01
  And I mean, yeah, he's more than what you expect him to be, right? Which is awesome.
• 33:05
  And also his daughter, Anna, is like the best. She's like the sweetest,
• 33:09
  kindest soul in the world.
• 33:11
  It's surreal. It's really, really crazy. But getting to meet them and all these
• 33:15
  other great, great magicians and,
• 33:18
  It's, it's, it's, so it's, there's two ways you could go about it.
• 33:21
  This is a very interesting thing. And this goes for everything, any passion, anything.
• 33:25
  You could either be intimidated and kind of depressed by how good somebody is,
• 33:29
  or you can be inspired by it. Right.
• 33:31
  And I choose to be inspired by it. So when I see these really,
• 33:34
  really strong magicians, I'm like, God, all right, I got some work to do. You know what I mean?
• 33:39
  That's how, that's how I see it. So going there is super cool because I genuinely
• 33:43
  believe some of the best magicians in the world are in Madrid.
• 33:47
  100%. So it's really, really cool. And it changes your way of thinking as far
• 33:51
  as how magic should be, you know?
• 33:53
  How big is this gathering of crazy card men?
• 33:57
  So the immersion was 10 and then the, the immersion was 10 and Ella Scorial
• 34:04
  is 50 magicians, sometimes 52, which is, it's really cool.
• 34:10
  And yeah, I mean, getting to meet so many people from all around the world is
• 34:15
  really, really cool. And it always is around the same time of year.
• 34:19
  So it's always around like end of October, early November, because it's close
• 34:22
  to Juan's birthday so that everyone can be in town to celebrate his birthday
• 34:25
  as well, which is awesome.
• 34:27
  Oh, so jealous.
• 34:31
  It's really cool. It's fun. I just am counting down the days to go back,
• 34:35
  honestly. And also, if anyone is in the L.A.
• 34:38
  Area, Manu Vera, who's one of the heads of the school of Tamariz,
• 34:42
  Anna Tamariz, all of them, Danny D.
• 34:44
  Ortiz, they're all going to be at the castle in like a week or two.
• 34:47
  So go check them out. Go see them.
• 34:49
  I'm going to go see them. They're the best. They're so sweet.
• 34:53
  That's amazing. You know what? Yeah. You've had such a rich filled magic existence
• 34:58
  that I'm sure that between all
• 35:01
  the cool moments you've had with all your heroes and doing all your gigs,
• 35:04
  there's got to be some pretty cool gig stories. What do you guys say?
• 35:08
  We're on for a couple of stories.
• 35:09
  Sure. Uh, let me do it. All right. Let's, let's, let's roll the tape.
• 35:16
  So gig stories are little moments in magic that we do whilst performing or even
• 35:19
  from our day to day lives, starting with our good guest today, Patton Gillian.
• 35:23
  Tell some story about it okay so this
• 35:26
  was like probably a month or
• 35:28
  two after i moved here so this was not long ago but it
• 35:31
  was very interesting i get i get a
• 35:34
  gig for this guy's uh birthday party and i obviously won't say the guy's name
• 35:38
  but i go and it was a little sketchy i pull up it's like sun's already down
• 35:43
  there's like porsches and g-wagons everywhere and this giant hedge and i'm like
• 35:47
  and i always get the client to meet me at the door if i'm doing like a house
• 35:50
  party because i just want to like make sure i'm at the right place and have
• 35:52
  him introduce me to everybody
• 35:54
  which is important and he comes and he gets me and it's a walk-in it's like
• 35:58
  a giant house and it looks like kind of looks like a like a scarface mansion
• 36:02
  it's like pretty sick right and we go through the living there's no one there
• 36:05
  by the way everyone's like not there i think and i was kind of sketched out
• 36:09
  at first i was like where is everybody i thought this is your birthday you know,
• 36:12
  and i go as we're about to walk outside there's like
• 36:15
  money all over the ground like hundreds stuck to
• 36:18
  the ground right and was staying in a money a
• 36:21
  money gun and i was like where am i right now
• 36:24
  and i walk out in his backyard and there's this giant green like like patio
• 36:30
  like giant grass patio with a giant like long game of thrones style table in
• 36:35
  the middle of the lawn like something out of salt burn and everyone's sitting
• 36:37
  at the table like wearing all black and then the mom is wearing like all white and it felt very like.
• 36:44
  Like mafia-ish. Yeah, culty, mafia-ish. And I was like, what is going on right now? What am I doing?
• 36:51
  And as I get closer, I started hearing like Russian accents,
• 36:54
  like strong Russian accents. And I was like, oh gosh, what's happening right now?
• 36:58
  And he says to me, he says, before
• 37:01
  you perform for us, have dinner with us first. And I'm like, all right.
• 37:05
  So I sit down and then he's like, pick your poison. What do you like to drink?
• 37:10
  And I'm like, I don't know if drinking is, you know, before that he's like,
• 37:14
  drink and I'm like all right okay so I was
• 37:17
  like whiskey and then he like snapped or
• 37:20
  clapped or shouted or something and then this guy like
• 37:23
  a waiter with a silver tray wearing like all black came out with Johnny Walker
• 37:27
  black label right filled up my cup and then throughout the night there proceeded
• 37:33
  to be like it was like a six course dinner of like tuna and lamb and like salmon
• 37:39
  and And like, like all these,
• 37:40
  like it was super, super bougie and felt very, very expensive.
• 37:45
  And I didn't want to like be rude and not finish the drink because it's like
• 37:48
  his money. Right. So I'd finish the drink. But every time I finished it,
• 37:51
  he came and like topped it off.
• 37:53
  And I was like, oh God, this is, I'm getting like a little buzz, you know?
• 37:57
  So it was like three drinks in. I'm like, what's going on? This is not good.
• 38:01
  And all of them are talking and doing cheers and everything like that.
• 38:04
  And this girl beside me, I say to her, I say, you know, what are the,
• 38:09
  you know, what are the best things to do in Vegas?
• 38:11
  I'm the new guy, right? Like, like, do you, should I go to red rocks or should
• 38:14
  I go to Lake Las Vegas? And she goes, Lake Las Vegas is a front.
• 38:19
  And I'm like, what do you mean? She's like, all the casinos there are owned
• 38:25
  by the mafia or whatever.
• 38:27
  They're all fronts for human trafficking and drug trafficking and all this.
• 38:30
  And then everyone's like, everyone there at the table is like,
• 38:33
  yes, everybody knows this. Everybody knows this. And in my head,
• 38:35
  I'm like, how do you know this?
• 38:37
  Why do you know this? You know, what happens if I get the trick wrong?
• 38:42
  You know, I'm like nervous.
• 38:47
  Super, super intimidated and nervous. You know, and like the guy at the table
• 38:52
  that was his birthday, he was like getting a little wine drunk and he was like, he's like, I'm mad.
• 38:57
  I'm like, why? And like, he's like my friend that lives in Henderson.
• 38:59
  He, he didn't come here because he said he didn't know anybody.
• 39:02
  And I paid, I paid thousands and thousands of dollars to fly everyone from all
• 39:06
  around the country here tonight to be here tonight.
• 39:09
  And, and, and I'm paying an each, each place amount for each,
• 39:13
  each dinner experience is like $500. I'm like, excuse me, you know, like what?
• 39:17
  So I'm like please don't kill him you know but it
• 39:21
  was super and then I then they're like all right
• 39:23
  now magic and I'm like oh gosh I'm like super nervous now because I'm over here
• 39:28
  like feel like I'm doing magic for the mafia you know so I I did a I did a couple
• 39:33
  card tricks and it went well and then I got paid handsomely and then I left
• 39:36
  and and I'm over here like should I do repeat business or should I not do repeat business?
• 39:42
  Because good money, but also we like our life.
• 39:47
  That's a tricky question. Your money or your life?
• 39:52
  Yeah. And sometimes it gets a little tough and you're like, oh, you know what?
• 39:56
  We're going to have to go see him again. Yeah. Yeah, but that was great.
• 40:01
  I did magic for like the Russian mafia, I do believe.
• 40:04
  So that was really fun they're like
• 40:08
  the fails you just show them your five phase double
• 40:11
  cross routine oh yeah oh gosh
• 40:14
  yeah lord so that's uh
• 40:17
  that's that's probably the and then and then you were saying earlier you know
• 40:21
  crazy stories as far as things going right that are just impossible right i
• 40:27
  something happened very recently that was very very rare for it to happen i
• 40:33
  i do a thought of card routine.
• 40:35
  I do a couple thought of card routines, but I did one.
• 40:38
  And before I do a thought of card routine, I like to classic force a card on
• 40:42
  somebody because it's showing them, hey, it's not as fair picking a card as
• 40:46
  it is thinking of one. Right.
• 40:48
  And I told the guy, I said, think of a card, think of any card.
• 40:50
  I said, I get, and then I just broke somewhere and looked at the five of clubs.
• 40:54
  And I say, you know, I could ease, I could easily say the five of clubs.
• 40:58
  And then he stopped and he's like, how'd you know that was what I was thinking?
• 41:01
  And I freaked him out like bad and it went over so well
• 41:03
  with the group of people everyone was like did you just tell him the one
• 41:06
  he was thinking of what was great is I already had a break
• 41:09
  on the card so then I just classic forced it to him and it was like
• 41:12
  the most miracle card trick that could ever happen it was
• 41:15
  the best yeah that's a good one yeah what a good feeling that must be too the
• 41:20
  ultimate hit I feel like I feel like some famous mentalist like just rolling
• 41:23
  with it I'm like yes that was your card yes I was hoping you tell the gig story
• 41:28
  about how you ruin one Tamera's card stack like a noob.
• 41:33
  I'll never live this down. So that's so funny. So yeah.
• 41:38
  People were performing for Juan and I like to borrow people's decks because
• 41:44
  a lot of tricks I'll do sometimes people think it's stack work, but it's not.
• 41:48
  And I took Juan's deck, not thinking a thing in the world, and then shuffled it.
• 41:54
  And it 100% was in Mnemonica, and I destroyed this deck. Whoops.
• 41:59
  And then, the moment I shuffled, I realized, I go, hopefully that wasn't in Mnemonica.
• 42:06
  The video's on my Instagram. You can see me doing it.
• 42:09
  And then he goes, and I'm like, dang. No.
• 42:15
  And then i asked the guys after i go surely surely
• 42:20
  it wasn't and they're like why wouldn't it
• 42:22
  have been also yeah we've been fiddling
• 42:26
  with it earlier it 100 was his attack and i'm like no yeah do you think he does
• 42:33
  he still have to put his own deck in stack or does he have people to do that
• 42:37
  for him now honestly maybe people do it for him you know what's interesting
• 42:41
  though is like, Juan is the best.
• 42:44
  He 100% is the best. And even though, you know, he slowed down a little bit,
• 42:49
  that hasn't stopped him from being an absolute monster when it comes to fooling.
• 42:53
  Like he fooled me so many times and half of the stuff was stuff that I just did.
• 42:58
  He just told me what to do. He was like, take, cut, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 43:01
  And then he would do it and it would happen. And he rarely touched the deck
• 43:06
  and it just fooled me so bad.
• 43:08
  Like he's like not letting him getting older, slow, like stop him from being
• 43:13
  the maestro. You know what I mean? It's a, it's amazing.
• 43:16
  It really, really is. That's unreal. Yeah. Justin.
• 43:21
  Oh, I hit, this is, this is interesting. Are you another one?
• 43:24
  Yeah, this is interesting. You'll like this.
• 43:26
  So this was recently. So, so, so Juan, Juan at one in the morning does this
• 43:31
  thing where he, he's like, cut three times, cut, cut, cut, take a cut again,
• 43:37
  cut again, keep cutting.
• 43:38
  And then it comes down to one card. He's like, think of any card and then flip it over.
• 43:42
  Right. And the guy's thinking of the card. my friend
• 43:45
  Gus and then he flips it over and it's
• 43:48
  not the card it's not he said the two of hearts I think that's the
• 43:51
  card he thought of and it was not the two of hearts he goes take the cards spread
• 43:55
  through find the two of hearts and he couldn't find it and then Juan just pulls
• 44:00
  it out of his pocket like no index like pulls it out of his pocket right and
• 44:05
  the way the the idea of what he was doing,
• 44:10
  which he was like saying that this is an idea that can be delved into, but it works.
• 44:15
  And I think I'm going to start trying it. And I think y'all should start trying
• 44:17
  it. Whoever's listening should start trying it. It's fascinating.
• 44:20
  It's like an hour or two before he took the top card off of Gus's deck when
• 44:25
  he was in the bathroom, put it in his pocket and say it was like the Ace of Spades or whatever.
• 44:30
  And then for the next hour and a half, he would just subtly flash the Ace of
• 44:33
  Spades to Gus and subliminally message him to think Ace of Spades.
• 44:39
  Like he would literally just like go like this.
• 44:42
  And he'd do that maybe like 10 times in an hour. And then like when it came
• 44:46
  time for him to think of any card, he thought of the two of hearts,
• 44:49
  which was the card that he had been flashing to him for like what?
• 44:52
  Yeah. Over the past couple of hours. It was crazy. I would call BS unless I saw it.
• 44:59
  Well, let me show you something off the back of that. I was trying something recently, right?
• 45:05
  And it only worked for the first time at a wedding that I did last Monday.
• 45:10
  And what I would do is I would leave just a single playing card I leave it under
• 45:15
  the box but I thought I'm going to make it obvious that it's there but this
• 45:18
  time I tried doing it I tried leaving it towards this guy and I'm like and I
• 45:21
  just kept my eye on it right yeah and.
• 45:24
  I saw this cat put it into his pocket and I went, he took the bait. This is fantastic.
• 45:33
  And then I did a whole bit. You know what I mean? Where it's like,
• 45:35
  I want you to think of a value. I want you to think of a suit.
• 45:37
  You got a suit. What card are you thinking? And they go, well,
• 45:38
  we're thinking of the eight of spades. And I go, cool deal. Watch.
• 45:41
  It's gone from the pack. And they go, where is it? And I go,
• 45:43
  I took it and I put it in his pocket and he goes, shut up. And then takes it out. All right.
• 45:48
  So good. Yeah. I hope somebody takes it. That's genius. That's great.
• 45:51
  I like that a lot. it's just been something that i've been doing because
• 45:54
  i want to do some really brave stuff and if it fails i can go no it's under the
• 45:57
  box be daring yeah yeah i've
• 46:00
  been doing some really brave stuff and it was the most weird sort of environment as
• 46:03
  well it was kind of like there was like a rail and a bunch of wine barrels and i
• 46:06
  had like i was like really close proximity and it right it
• 46:09
  all just worked great but it's like that type of thing where you go i wonder
• 46:12
  if i can bait someone you know like if you
• 46:16
  think ahead to it like like when you walk into
• 46:19
  a room and think ahead of like for later like there's
• 46:22
  so many things you can come up with and do like i so when
• 46:25
  i was there we went to this place called cafe croutine and it's
• 46:28
  like uh it's one of juan's past residencies he performed there
• 46:31
  regularly in like the 70s or 80s and then it became like a big magic thing and
• 46:36
  it's in escorial in san lorenzo and two hours or two or three hours before they
• 46:42
  were like you're gonna perform here like y'all are gonna perform here and we're
• 46:45
  like i'm like did not know this get the memo.
• 46:49
  So I'm like freaking out because I'm like, what can I do? What can I do? What can I do? You know?
• 46:53
  And when I, when I went in there, I loaded a card in my friend's back pocket and he had no idea.
• 47:00
  Like I just barely put it in his back pocket.
• 47:03
  I did an entire card routine and I classic forced, I got, I asked my other friend,
• 47:09
  I'm like, can I borrow your 10 of spades or whatever so that I can have a full
• 47:11
  deck? And he's like, sure.
• 47:13
  I classic forced the 10 of spades face up,
• 47:16
  Right. And then I essentially did a top change, double lift.
• 47:20
  And I'm like, watch, it's here.
• 47:22
  Hold on to it. Look, I'm gonna go like this around the room with my finger, just say stop.
• 47:26
  And then, and then I timing forced it on the guy that had it in his pocket,
• 47:29
  my friend. I said, look him, it's gone. Look. And then they look and it's gone.
• 47:34
  I said, because it's in his pocket. Right.
• 47:36
  Well, yeah, but that was all for preparing before. So like when you walk in
• 47:39
  a room, if you think like that, there's so many cool things you can do.
• 47:42
  It's the best thing, loading it under people's butts and stuff. It's amazing. Yeah.
• 47:48
  Yeah, there's little things I've been exploring like that, like blank cards as well. Oh, great.
• 47:52
  I can't remember who, I don't know if it was a Joe Barry idea,
• 47:55
  perhaps, where you take a card out of your pocket and you go,
• 47:59
  what card are you thinking of?
• 48:00
  And they go, I didn't choose a card. And they go, oh, that makes sense.
• 48:02
  You turn it over and it's blank. Oh.
• 48:05
  Yeah, and then you would go like, who was thinking of the card?
• 48:07
  And then that person was. You could do that top change in that moment.
• 48:09
  I'd be like, oh, you were thinking of it? What were you thinking?
• 48:11
  And they go, this. And they go, that one?
• 48:15
  So to dive onto that, there's a thing called the gaslighting trick where you
• 48:18
  classic force a blank card to a spectator and then you tell them,
• 48:23
  remember this card, don't say it out loud, but you'd never forget this,
• 48:26
  right? And they're like, yeah.
• 48:28
  And then right before you put it back, you top change it and show the rest of the people.
• 48:32
  Then you put it back and you say, look, I'm going to hypnotize you to forget
• 48:36
  the card. Three, two, one. It's
• 48:37
  gone. What was the color? Was it red or black? And they're like, okay.
• 48:41
  Harder to come on guys tell me it was it was a diamond right
• 48:44
  it was a diamond how about this i'll spread through and when you see the card
• 48:47
  point to it and i spread towards him and when he sees the
• 48:49
  blank card right beside it is the one that i showed everyone else so all i have
• 48:53
  to do is say the two of hearts is the blank card all i have to do is just cull
• 48:57
  the blank card back and like you guys see the card right you see nothing seriously
• 49:01
  you see yeah it's great it's amazing Yeah.
• 49:10
  Because my magic was described by a spectator a few months ago saying that you're
• 49:14
  very gaslighty, they said to me.
• 49:17
  And I was like, I'm going to lean into that. I'm going to lean into that as hard as I can.
• 49:21
  You should. You should. That's amazing. That's so good. What a great style.
• 49:28
  Josh, what would you say, if you described your style, what would it be?
• 49:32
  Kangaroo kangaroo i don't
• 49:36
  know very australian i mean i
• 49:41
  i don't think i'm so original
• 49:44
  yet in in my own in my own thinking i'm still like
• 49:47
  enjoying learning from so many people and right
• 49:50
  and using that style but i like to i
• 49:54
  think like you do like i like to co-author it where it feels
• 49:57
  like it's the audience making all the
• 50:00
  decisions right and somehow it still ends up
• 50:03
  going the way that the magician has like planned out that's
• 50:06
  what i love to where that to where that when the audience leaves
• 50:09
  they think wow this this show has only ever happened this way in this room now
• 50:16
  and it will never happen like this again yeah like this is a one-of-a-kind experience
• 50:20
  that's the goal anyway yeah yeah it's like it's like when you do magic it's
• 50:25
  like lightning is just striking and you You don't understand why, right? Right.
• 50:30
  Yeah. It just happened. You're there. We're all here together and lightning
• 50:33
  just keeps striking and it's just crazy. Like what? You know, like that. I love that.
• 50:38
  Yeah. You know, it's great when you do in those, those, when you invest in your
• 50:41
  audience, that's one of the things that I did always from the very beginning
• 50:44
  of my career, I invested in my audience really heavily, which became a downfall
• 50:48
  when you didn't have an audience.
• 50:49
  Like if you didn't sell enough tickets or whatever else, you know what I mean?
• 50:52
  Like it was a type of risk you had to, you had to take.
• 50:55
  But i i i did the theater of magic on on the weekend and i was doing a show and there was this.
• 51:02
  Hilarious woman in the front row who was just like this social
• 51:05
  commentary but like mumbling to herself and i could hear everything she was
• 51:07
  saying like she was like she was quite like a like heavy set kind of annoying
• 51:12
  yeah person i can't sit in these chairs i want blah blah blah i must have this
• 51:16
  you know and i was just like come and sit down on a vip chair you know and And
• 51:20
  she was like, you know, chair and we're making all these jokes.
• 51:23
  And she's saying like, I'm making, I got these jokes in my show and I made a
• 51:26
  joke about Charlie Sheen. And she's just sitting there. She goes,
• 51:29
  Charlie Sheen is yummy boy.
• 51:33
  And so I'm just bouncing.
• 51:36
  I'm just bouncing off it flat out. And then I finished, I was finishing my show
• 51:39
  with one of my sort of, what's the word I'm looking for?
• 51:42
  Like one of my key routines, you know, which is my cups and bowls,
• 51:45
  fruit, fruit show, fruit shop routine.
• 51:47
  And I'm doing all this stuff. And then she starts demanding all this fruit.
• 51:51
  Like she's just giving me her shopping list, you know, and I'm bouncing off
• 51:53
  all these jokes and I start producing all these fruits.
• 51:57
  Right. And I'm doing potatoes. She's like, she's like, I want potato.
• 51:59
  And I'll go, all right. And I produce a potato. And then someone's like,
• 52:02
  I want a coconut. And that's what I finished the show with. But the funny thing
• 52:05
  was as I'm producing all these bits of fruit.
• 52:07
  I don't know how this happened, and I'll watch back the video,
• 52:10
  but because I'm mic'd here when I listened to it, I didn't hear what the audience
• 52:12
  said, so I've got to watch another camera to see what the audience said.
• 52:15
  But I've got to make this happen every show. What happened was this.
• 52:19
  Somebody was like, oh, fruit salad. And then the whole audience broke out into
• 52:25
  the Wiggles song, fruit salad, yummy, yummy. Oh, that's awesome.
• 52:30
  And the whole theater was just fruit salad, yummy, yummy.
• 52:35
  And it was so hilarious. and the whole place was
• 52:37
  just going into it and and i was like that's great
• 52:40
  i don't know how that happened but i
• 52:44
  need i need to find a way to make that happen there can be there can be there
• 52:48
  can be a way yeah that's great and a quick change into a blue total neck shirt
• 52:54
  yeah or purple like what's interesting is when i started magic i didn't like
• 53:00
  hecklers at all i thought i mean And like,
• 53:02
  but I've learned it can be fun if you're doing jazzy magic.
• 53:06
  It can be fun if you're doing like the type of magic, more close up stage.
• 53:11
  You can play off of it, definitely. But with close up, it's really great.
• 53:16
  But you know what's interesting is I was at the castle a month or two ago and
• 53:20
  there was a heckler that was heckling Richard Turner.
• 53:24
  And I don't think that they knew he was blind. They were just trying to mess
• 53:28
  with him and take stuff without asking and all these things.
• 53:32
  But it's really cool what he did, which I can really appreciate,
• 53:35
  is he played off of it in a way where it made the magic even stronger,
• 53:40
  but he didn't berate them.
• 53:42
  So like he would notice, like, for instance, okay, he got all the Kings to the
• 53:47
  top of the deck and he, they were ready to be revealed and he was doing something over there.
• 53:51
  And then she went over and touched the deck and started flipping over the top
• 53:55
  cards to show that it was the Kings. Like she did that without asking.
• 53:59
  And he goes, shuffle, shuffle, shuffle, shuffle the cards and then put the cards
• 54:03
  back. And then he starts doing his routine again. And he goes...
• 54:08
  Hey check the top of the deck like halfway through the routine hey check the top
• 54:11
  of the deck and she looks and it's the kings again and she's like he's like
• 54:14
  that's just for you it's like
• 54:17
  that's just for you you know like it's
• 54:20
  it's great it was so good yeah i
• 54:23
  have a i have an easy example of that last week at
• 54:26
  the theater of magic i mean it's not as it is not
• 54:29
  as prolific as as that but on stage
• 54:32
  we had a we had a whole company book out one show
• 54:36
  of the theater of magic so it's all their own people
• 54:39
  so everyone's way more comfortable than usual because oh
• 54:42
  yeah there's all this hierarchy and the
• 54:45
  boss is there and they're making fun of the the same people they
• 54:48
  would at work and things and i get to the point in the.
• 54:50
  Show where i'm like now i can do sleight of
• 54:53
  hand you know that you've seen me do things but what if i have you
• 54:56
  think of a card and i'm essentially going to do mnemonicosis on
• 54:59
  stage and have someone hold the deck find the
• 55:02
  card themselves but i'm like i need you to know this is
• 55:05
  fair so who in the group will be the thinker and they all point
• 55:07
  out one person who i think is going to be a good
• 55:11
  like logical thinking you know i'm going to
• 55:13
  help you out person but actually it was like the biggest
• 55:17
  heckler out of all of them and this guy comes up and
• 55:20
  he wants to change his mind six times and he's like
• 55:23
  i'm like think of any card but not the jokers because they're obviously here
• 55:26
  in my pocket he's like oh but can i think of a joker i'm
• 55:29
  like you you can but i already know where it is so
• 55:32
  it's going to be a short trick but do that if you want and i'm
• 55:35
  like he's just trying to be you know
• 55:38
  difficult but like you're saying you use
• 55:40
  it against him so now i stand back i'm like all right well look you
• 55:44
  if you're going to change your mind six times you got to be certain that that
• 55:47
  six time is like your choice don't go home and be like i made you pick it like
• 55:52
  you guys are gonna so the more he changes his mind the more people are like.
• 55:55
  Oh now you really are committed and you you know you play on it and he changed
• 56:00
  and he says a card at the very end he's like he names a card,
• 56:04
  And I go, I bet he's going to change his mind again. So I'm going to remember this card he said.
• 56:09
  But I go, now I'm going to ask you one more time. You're going to change your
• 56:13
  mind. He's like, yeah, I might.
• 56:14
  And now the audience, like that tension erupts and there's laughter again.
• 56:18
  So good. But now I've got an extra bullet now. Now I go, okay,
• 56:22
  now I can mess with him with this card. Because now he's changed his mind again.
• 56:25
  And so he changed his mind again. Anyway, I get him to cut to it.
• 56:29
  You know, the first or second card. Boom, we get the card.
• 56:32
  Great. but while he's reacting to that now
• 56:35
  i go ahead and top change the joker that's in my pocket that
• 56:38
  i kept trying to try not to name all back yeah good for
• 56:41
  the first card boom i look at it i top change it
• 56:43
  there's still i put it back whatever i'm like yeah but if you would not change
• 56:48
  your mind it would have been what two of clubs boom can you take out the joker
• 56:51
  that you kept wanting to name and boom and then it's the card and then you know
• 56:55
  you've just played off this whole you know being an a-hole but actually it made
• 56:59
  the show better when you does go with it right Right.
• 57:02
  And you know, at the end, a lot of the time they'll, they'll know that they're
• 57:06
  kind of being an a-hole and they'll, they'll, they'll like shake your hand at the end.
• 57:10
  If you do, if you, if you bull through it, if you bull through it and keep going
• 57:14
  and sometimes they'll dap you up at the end or they'll shake your hand.
• 57:18
  And, and that goes to show that they, they, they knew, they knew that they were
• 57:21
  being difficult on you and you still did good while they were doing that to you. You know? Yeah.
• 57:26
  We have a question in the, in the chat for you, Patton, and they're asking about,
• 57:31
  have you had experience with the newer generation,
• 57:34
  which is probably your age or younger, not knowing what cards are so much,
• 57:39
  not knowing what certain pips or values are when you're trying to say,
• 57:42
  think of a card and they don't know like what a king is or the court cards. Does that come up?
• 57:48
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. For all of us, there's a lot of times where people don't know
• 57:53
  the difference between clubs and spades, which is good.
• 57:56
  Because there are a lot of tricks that you can do that are pseudo,
• 58:00
  where people can't tell the difference.
• 58:03
  I've played with the idea of, it's a classic, it's Blaine's hand sandwich, right?
• 58:09
  But just doing it with a club and a spade and people just don't tell,
• 58:13
  they literally think it changes.
• 58:16
  Let's do this. We'll do a jack of clubs and a jack of spades right and then
• 58:20
  we'll get the three of diamonds, right?
• 58:22
  So i'll go like this i'll be like watch the Watch the uh Three diamonds, okay?
• 58:28
  And you can see that it has kind of a shadow on the table, right?
• 58:31
  And if I go like this and I take like the I don't know the the jack black jack
• 58:35
  right black jack And I go like this watch the shadows as it lines up Just like
• 58:40
  that and then there's the three diamonds there and the jack is there,
• 58:43
  but that's a different jack
• 58:45
  but people are so unfamiliar with club
• 58:48
  and spade they think it's the same card so i play off of
• 58:50
  it i love it i love that people don't know the difference it's great
• 58:53
  there's uh there's some great great stuff if you look in tamarise's book verbal
• 58:59
  magic there's a lot of stuff that uses the pseudo principle that are really
• 59:03
  really good great ideas i mean yeah i play off of it but sometimes if it's important
• 59:08
  i'll i'll say the stuff that i've heard growing up right these are the puppy dog feet, right?
• 59:12
  The clubs, the clovers, the clubs, the clovers, the puppy dog feet.
• 59:15
  That's what this is. Spade.
• 59:17
  Spade is like a, like a, like a black heart. You can see that pretty well. Right.
• 59:20
  That's how I would, you know, but a lot of the time I'll it,
• 59:24
  that they make that mistake. That's I'm, I'm completely fine with it. You know?
• 59:30
  Yeah yeah but there are a lot of effects that
• 59:33
  use that that principle that people don't know the difference which is great
• 59:35
  you know you know it's so funny i've done so
• 59:38
  many performances where i've said things and i said yeah i think you need to
• 59:42
  explain that to your audience and i'm like i think i do and they're going like
• 59:45
  no i bet you if you just did it but didn't explain you just did it and didn't
• 59:48
  have to like talk and i go you know what we'll try it your way and then i did
• 59:52
  it and everyone was like and then i get the feedback back i'm like i had no
• 59:55
  idea what that routine was.
• 59:57
  And I was just like, because listen to you, Pete.
• 59:59
  And nope. Like, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:00:02
  No, it's great. I mean, there's just, it's, you play off of the strengths of
• 1:00:07
  what people don't know, because they don't know what to expect, right?
• 1:00:10
  Ackerman has a good pseudo dupe trick, the 67 sandwich, which is kind of relevant
• 1:00:16
  right now with the six and seven.
• 1:00:19
  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I had to change an entire trick
• 1:00:22
  of mine with because of that, because it's like I would if the trick would be impressive at the end.
• 1:00:28
  But the end people would be like, ah, you did that on purpose.
• 1:00:31
  Right. And I'm like, oh, I'm thinking, you know, there's some good social media
• 1:00:35
  to be had with the six and the seven.
• 1:00:37
  If you put your mind to it, you know. Oh, yeah.
• 1:00:40
  Some good engagement currently. Oh, 100%. Yeah, 100%.
• 1:00:45
  Ackerman actually has, he has an amazing thing with pseudo-principled with that
• 1:00:49
  with the sandwich. I just said that. Are you talking about listening to the words I said?
• 1:00:53
  Are you talking about the sandwich? Are you talking about the sandwich?
• 1:00:55
  Yeah, it's in Las Vegas, Cardma, but I think it predates that. Yeah.
• 1:00:59
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. The sandwich. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've seen a couple things he's done with that.
• 1:01:03
  Yeah. Very, very cool. He's great. He is great. He was in here two days ago.
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  Let's go, Alan Ackerman. We love him. And he, he hobbled in with his cane.
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  That's right. Well, he levitates when he comes in the magic shop. Right.
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  I love him so much. He's the best. He really has been the best.
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  He's been one of those guys.
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  He shared the work on that card at any number that he's been doing.
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  The Tetra Red. Yeah. It's great. It's a banger.
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  Yeah. Yeah. It's amazing. And he's gotten so much cleaner at it because I,
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  I before, like when he started with it,
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  It was, eh, but now he's got that beat down perfect. He's got that beat down
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  perfect where it's like the most frying impossible, the 27 thing, right?
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  So good. Yeah, that's it. He's got me wanting to switch to a tetradistic stack now.
• 1:01:49
  Like I got time for that in an old age, but whatever. Well, here's the thing, right?
• 1:01:53
  With tetradistic, and this is why it's a genius idea for stack,
• 1:01:55
  even if y'all don't do stack work, right?
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  Is that if you can memorize 13 cards, you can memorize like an entire deck, right?
• 1:02:02
  You just memorize 13 cards in a random order and then just chased it.
• 1:02:05
  Yeah good point you know do the
• 1:02:08
  math not the memory you could do that exactly yeah if
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  you could do 13 you could do 52 it's great oh
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  yeah well you know what well yeah
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  look i mean we could check cards until the cows come home but
• 1:02:22
  that hour is up and like this has been all right so great
• 1:02:25
  again thanks so much for being here buddy it's um
• 1:02:28
  thank you for having me man i appreciate y'all so much thank you guys so much
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  no again it's just great to get a hold of you before you blow up but you know
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  i promise you that we promise we will stay friends and that you know you will
• 1:02:39
  come back and visit of course of course i want to come to australia i want to see i want to do that.
• 1:02:46
  Anytime yeah yeah yeah that'd be cool yeah well you come down let us know if
• 1:02:51
  you plan on coming down we can put you into the theater of magic perhaps if
• 1:02:54
  you we can do a little tour through yeah that would be fun that'd be great i'd
• 1:02:58
  love that yeah well i appreciate y'all thank you so much no thanks for coming
• 1:03:03
  jock tell them about the shirt,
• 1:03:04
  Absolutely. Go, go cop the shirt pattern. We're going to have one on the way
• 1:03:08
  to you as well. I appreciate it. Trust the slight.
• 1:03:11
  It's available at themagicguyshow.com or you can try and win one on our Instagram.
• 1:03:16
  Go see what it looks like. If you're listening to this really is actually a
• 1:03:19
  nice shirt. That's not just a big old shirt saying the Magic Guys podcast.
• 1:03:23
  This is actually more of a casual thing you can wear.
• 1:03:26
  And it's a great opener too, because people ask you, oh, what's that?
• 1:03:30
  I remember just saying, oh, show me some magic, you know.
• 1:03:34
  But anyway, aside from that, it's been so great to get inside Patton's mind a little bit today.
• 1:03:39
  So make sure you go and see him at the John Wick Experience or behind the scenes
• 1:03:44
  consulting or on TV or, you know, all the places he's at.
• 1:03:47
  His socials, his handle is below where you're watching, listening to this, as well as his website.
• 1:03:52
  But we're going to leave and finish this episode with the way that we always
• 1:03:56
  do. And that is by giving our guest the final word.
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  Awesome. Awesome. If you're scared about leaving your job to do magic,
• 1:04:06
  just if you're willing to do it and you're committed, do it.
• 1:04:09
  Because at the end of the day, the difference between you and the other guy
• 1:04:13
  is who's working harder.
• 1:04:14
  And, you know, sometimes to achieve the high hanging fruit, you have to leave the nest.
• 1:04:19
  And I was really scared of leaving across the country to come here.
• 1:04:23
  And I don't regret it at all. It's been the most amazing experience because
• 1:04:27
  I was told that, you know, a
• 1:04:30
  ship was meant to be at dock, was never meant to be at dock by the shore.
• 1:04:35
  It's safest at dock by the shore, but you have to chase your waves.
• 1:04:38
  And when you want to go back to the dock, you can always go back to that dock.
• 1:04:41
  So if you want to do magic and you want to pursue magic, do it.
• 1:04:46
  Just learn the business side of it. you know, and learn to like it.
• 1:04:50
  And that's pretty much it. If you want to do magic, you can do it.
• 1:04:53
  You just got to work hard.
• 1:04:54
  I mean, that's pretty much it. But that's how everything is.
• 1:04:57
  You just have to work hard. So I recommend you do it because if you don't do
• 1:05:00
  it now, then you never will.
• 1:05:02
  That's what I have to say. Thanks for listening. It's time for us to disappear now. Disappear now.
• 1:05:09
  But we'll see you again on the next episode of The Magic Guys.