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Mical Teja on Calypso Legacy & Why We’re Still the Capital of Carnival | Corie Sheppard Podcast · Corie Sheppard Podcast

0:01
Corie: And that man masha girls are run by the bottle of that truck.
0:06
Corie: I will kind of keep the peace now.
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Corie: I will kinda tell them, say, brother, if you drive over a cable, there's a million dollars of equipment you're spoiling then.
0:13
Corie: Then he stops and say, but I will you beg for the people.
0:18
Corie: I will beg for the equipment to know.
0:20
Corie: Listen.
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Corie: That was the days, boy.
0:22
Corie: That was the days.
0:23
Corie: That was the days.
0:23
Corie: Well, we talk to you about your days now.
0:25
Corie: My name is Corey Shepard.
0:26
Corie: Welcome to the Corey Shepard podcast.
0:27
Corie: Thank you for tuning in.
0:28
Corie: David, we have other things to say about Patreon and them thing.
0:31
Corie: I have a long introduction already, you know.
0:32
Corie: Let me start with my long introduction.
0:35
Corie: Long introduction.
0:36
Corie: I have a man here today at a calypso.
0:38
Corie: A man named Bomber sings, right?
0:40
Corie: He sings about dreaming about spoiler.
0:42
Corie: You read the tune?
0:43
Corie: Yeah.
0:43
Corie: Um played for you.
0:45
Corie: Played for man.
0:45
Corie: Yeah, I'll go play it for you.
0:46
Corie: I'll send it for you.
0:47
Corie: Bad, bad tune.
0:48
Corie: In the last line of this song, he says, he realized he was dreaming about a genius and calypso.
0:54
Corie: And today we're talking to a genius and calypso.
0:57
Corie: Welcome to this to the show, Mr.
0:58
Corie: McAlteja, sir.
1:00
Corie: Mr.
1:00
Corie: McAlteja.
1:01
Corie: Genius and Calypso.
1:02
Corie: I try, I try.
1:04
SPEAKER_04: I try, I try, I try, I try, I try.
1:05
SPEAKER_04: I'm sure you try.
1:06
SPEAKER_04: No, but right now, you know, my mother watching, so big up yourself.
1:10
Corie: Salute to mommy.
1:11
Corie: Salute to mommy.
1:12
Corie: Mommy, I hear some stories, but you're fetting in the day back in the day, you know.
1:15
Corie: We hear some stories, but you will keep that for after.
1:17
Corie: Yeah, well.
1:22
Corie: Let me start.
1:25
Corie: We was doing 1957.
1:30
Corie: Where were you in that?
1:32
Corie: Because you was in our life before this one.
1:33
Corie: So I wasn't even after this one.
1:35
Corie: Not at all.
1:36
SPEAKER_04: But I would say this, right?
1:39
SPEAKER_04: I, bro, I COVID changed a lot for everybody, but it changed a lot for me, boy.
1:47
SPEAKER_04: COVID was where I I was always like ahead of my time in terms of like we were doing like EDM stuff, like system 22, like real, always trying to go beyond.
2:00
SPEAKER_04: And COVID just reset everything.
2:03
SPEAKER_04: And during COVID, I just found myself just going through the archives, boy, and just listening to like real calypso and realizing how much like depth and amazing stuff we have in the archives, man.
2:20
SPEAKER_04: That just changed a lot.
2:21
SPEAKER_04: So that after now COVID and just taking that time off, everything changed.
2:26
SPEAKER_04: My whole song, my whole approach to it.
2:29
SPEAKER_04: I realized that we we can't keep you know trying to this whole take the soak of global and you know I mean it's just let me better what we have rather than trying to constantly morph it all the time.
2:48
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, just better what we have and keep making it better and better.
2:50
Corie: I with you, I wish you with you.
2:52
Corie: Which which I feel like you take a route that's real difficult to do.
2:55
Corie: And that's why I respect it because some of the songs that you're talking about.
2:58
Corie: So for people who might know, 57 was when last train to San Fernando for Singh singing was a real issue.
3:04
Corie: Yeah, yeah, the last train comes long after that.
3:06
Corie: Yeah, but it was a real issue.
3:08
Corie: So when I when I see you do it and I was watching your your show, congrats on that this year too.
3:12
Corie: Yeah, man, thank you.
3:12
Corie: Great, great show.
3:13
Corie: Yeah, how it went for you?
3:15
SPEAKER_04: I mean, my voice still when you come back, it'll tell you this.
3:20
SPEAKER_04: But real good.
3:21
SPEAKER_04: The most important thing was people enjoy themselves.
3:24
SPEAKER_04: And what I like too is that the crowd that is there is really a real mix of like mature and young and you know, everybody, because that's that's really what mass is for now.
3:35
SPEAKER_04: Mass is for everybody, it has no VIP, it has no cabanas.
3:40
SPEAKER_04: No, you come, you find a spot, and enjoy the music and enjoy the vibes.
3:44
Corie: Yeah, is David Fault being come and write home by me, you know.
3:47
Corie: I say I say I go in all feds in Queensland on Monday.
3:52
Corie: Yeah, I watch it.
3:53
Corie: I watch it.
3:54
Corie: I don't know if the bootleg is sure or if you had a real stream, you know, but wherever it was, I watched, I was watching it up to yesterday.
3:59
Corie: Standard man.
4:00
Corie: Oh, well, yeah, Caribbean Cyber, yes, Caribbean Cyber stream.
4:04
Corie: Thank you.
4:05
Corie: Where do you check for this?
4:06
Corie: Anybody see?
4:08
Corie: No, but salute to them because that even that I was telling why if this when you was watching it, is a good thing this year to be able to see so much performances from right from home.
4:15
Corie: Even Flavor Village is seeing a lot of the performances, throw.
4:18
SPEAKER_04: That's a quick side note, too.
4:20
SPEAKER_04: I love what you've the they're doing with the um Flavor Village and the John Cupid can be stuff.
4:25
SPEAKER_04: I love that.
4:25
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
4:26
SPEAKER_04: Again, I love to see when the family, because that's a big thing.
4:30
SPEAKER_04: I think when I was coming up, um, that was a big thing.
4:34
SPEAKER_04: Like, you know, it's hard for us to go out and watch mass and you know, family-oriented thing, but in the culture of it now, I think that was a dwindling thing.
4:45
SPEAKER_04: It changed.
4:46
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but now it kind of changing back.
4:48
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you see.
4:48
SPEAKER_04: Again, going back to my event.
4:50
SPEAKER_04: Like, I know a lot of like people who will be like, Yeah, come and hit my mother.
4:54
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
4:54
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
4:55
SPEAKER_04: That's not you know, go and carry uh uh water party with your mother, you know, but but you can come now and so you know what I mean?
5:03
Corie: So so it's good to have those um spaces now.
5:07
Corie: Here we were talking about fetting back in the day before we start, right?
5:10
Corie: That's one of the things it fett was it was a more old ages thing.
5:15
Corie: It's like young people, the music was just for everybody, and that's what I feel I feel it doing because when I hear because you've been going back, yeah, but 57 real far.
5:23
Corie: It's like this man going back with this, and those are very, very difficult songs to touch or interfere with or do anything.
5:29
SPEAKER_04: Well, fun, fun fact, right?
5:33
SPEAKER_04: Um it was Tano, right?
5:37
SPEAKER_04: He had sent me this song.
5:41
SPEAKER_04: I didn't know the song, huh?
5:43
SPEAKER_04: I didn't know the song at the time.
5:45
SPEAKER_04: I ain't gonna lie.
5:46
SPEAKER_04: Right?
5:47
SPEAKER_04: I didn't know the song.
5:48
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, most people know.
5:49
SPEAKER_04: But he sent me it, and I was like, but this song is real familiar.
5:54
SPEAKER_04: Where's this?
5:54
SPEAKER_04: Like, wait this way, and then I ended up playing it for my mother, and she's like, Oh yeah, I know the song.
6:01
SPEAKER_04: And then I played it for a friend of mine's her mother.
6:05
SPEAKER_04: And she's like, This was a very, very big song back then.
6:08
Corie: So this is any the original or your song?
6:10
SPEAKER_04: No, the original, the original, the original, the original, the original, and that's when I realized, oh, and then I started to do my history on it and like read up about it.
6:19
SPEAKER_04: Because like I real big on history now.
6:21
SPEAKER_04: Just to read up on it, and I realized, no, but this was a real big moment in trying to have history.
6:27
SPEAKER_04: And that's when I decided, okay, if we're doing this, we can't do this and no AI thing.
6:33
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
6:34
SPEAKER_04: Fire.
6:34
SPEAKER_04: Fire bundle AI thing.
6:36
SPEAKER_04: I was like, yo, we need to.
6:37
SPEAKER_04: For the video and thing you mean.
6:38
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we need to do a I keep telling them and we need a train.
6:42
SPEAKER_04: My wife tells me asked you one time how where you do the video, where you get the train.
6:46
SPEAKER_04: Bro, we we went out in um Pennsylvania, um, East Broad Top.
6:51
SPEAKER_04: It's the only, one of the only steam trains to still be active.
6:55
SPEAKER_04: And but this is like America, America.
7:00
SPEAKER_04: This is this is Confederate flag.
7:03
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, the middle.
7:04
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
7:05
SPEAKER_04: This is America.
7:06
SPEAKER_04: Like, we we are driving there, and you could see like you do you don't really want to stop and ask anybody for directions.
7:12
SPEAKER_04: There's no Uber driver to come and pick you up, anyways.
7:16
SPEAKER_04: The middle and nowhere.
7:19
SPEAKER_04: But but you know, overly everybody was really, really nice.
7:22
SPEAKER_04: And the people there were real accommodating and yeah.
7:25
Corie: Yeah.
7:26
Corie: So in your quest for history, you're conscious about teaching the history too, because you didn't have to do all that.
7:31
Corie: For sure, for sure.
7:32
SPEAKER_04: I think I think one of the mistakes that we make as a I don't mean to be that person, you know, thing, but I think one of the mistakes we make as a society is not telling our story.
7:46
SPEAKER_04: Because there are youths coming up now who imagine they are young people coming up, right?
7:52
SPEAKER_04: And they will be like, I didn't know train, I'll have a train.
7:55
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, of course.
7:55
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
7:56
SPEAKER_04: Like, like little things like that.
7:58
SPEAKER_04: I think we we not doing a good job at teaching our history.
8:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
8:04
Corie: You know what I mean?
8:04
Corie: And also, just from my perspective, you know, the the way I grew up looking at artists, we were talking about some of them before.
8:10
Corie: Some of them you do you do interpolations of to them little youths on them watching all the like the elders, like the thing I was selling now.
8:17
Corie: Who you're selling now?
8:18
Corie: You're telling somebody that here like men is um men is veterans watching you as UG.
8:22
Corie: It's the truth, is it true?
8:24
Corie: It's happened much faster than you think.
8:25
Corie: Yeah, boy, it's calling your uncle, eh?
8:28
Corie: Yeah, why uncle?
8:29
Corie: I just can't wait for everybody to turn into uncle.
8:33
Corie: So the idea behind this song, because I'll last rent to San Fernando, again, real issue.
8:37
Corie: You take it and make it somebody woman you're gonna find on something.
8:40
SPEAKER_04: It was just a play on the existing story, yeah, you know.
8:44
SPEAKER_04: So it was just kind of making that in a real cool way that even you know, people in this modern era could kind of digest as well, too.
8:52
SPEAKER_04: Of course, and you see in all ages digesting it, yeah, yeah.
8:55
SPEAKER_04: I mean, I see in the same, I think it was John Cupid or um a little man by the name of Michael singing Lil Astrain, and it's crazy.
9:04
SPEAKER_03: That's real crazy.
9:06
Corie: Big up yourself, Michael.
9:07
Corie: Yeah, salute to Michael, and it's the same thing you're saying.
9:09
Corie: What there will be one Michael who look at that and find the history and then go carry it on.
9:13
Corie: Yeah, they will carry it on for sure.
9:15
Corie: So what the capital knows how they're going?
9:17
Corie: Are you in road match and people saying something wrong with it?
9:20
Corie: What?
9:20
SPEAKER_04: Again, you know, just like um DNA, for me, I don't make music with the hopes of like, you know, oh well, not with the intention of this gonna win a road match.
9:33
SPEAKER_04: For me, I just make music that one, I want to hear, and then two, stuff that I feel people would want to hear.
9:42
SPEAKER_04: Right.
9:43
SPEAKER_04: And let me see how it goes.
9:45
SPEAKER_04: How it goes.
9:46
SPEAKER_04: I think real good.
9:47
SPEAKER_04: I think a lot of people come up to me, and again, is uh the whole idea of the song to be honest, is you know, we in this festive mode now, but I don't know if people realize it just two, three months ago, they couldn't have no carnival.
10:03
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
10:04
SPEAKER_04: So that's really the the the the driving factor of the song is like yo, we wherever they say we in the capital again.
10:14
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
10:15
SPEAKER_04: Like so much memories we create out of love, but listen, we are going to be in the capital again.
10:21
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and yeah.
10:22
Corie: Well, that's why I call it a genius and watch your opening thing, right?
10:26
Corie: You don't worry about a plain president.
10:28
Corie: This country is a political place where you can't say certain things, and you don't worry about it.
10:31
SPEAKER_04: Um, because I think, well, one, probably about three days before that, you know, I saw the Minister of Culture say, you know, expect uh bump or carnival.
10:43
SPEAKER_04: Um even the authorities were saying, yes, and carnival is on.
10:46
SPEAKER_04: So I am just here reiterating the message.
10:49
SPEAKER_04: We in the capital, we outside.
10:52
Corie: You know what I mean?
10:53
Corie: So, yeah, yeah.
10:54
Corie: Well, congrats on it, congrats on it.
10:56
Corie: The success again, Mevon.
10:57
Corie: Salute to Mevvon.
10:58
Corie: Yeah, boy.
10:59
Corie: Mevon on TikTok.
11:00
Corie: Carlos.
11:00
Corie: Yeah, oh god, he carloss, just just they should just play him as win.
11:04
Corie: Register, no register, whoever register, only register.
11:08
Corie: Um guys are no.
11:10
Corie: All you plan is to register.
11:12
Corie: Maybe.
11:12
Corie: Maybe, maybe, yeah.
11:14
Corie: Why, maybe?
11:15
Corie: What's your thoughts on it?
11:16
Corie: You're only hesitant or no, we're not hesitant.
11:18
Corie: I just don't want to give a definite answer.
11:21
SPEAKER_04: Let it think sizzle now.
11:22
SPEAKER_04: Basically definite answers, you know.
11:27
SPEAKER_04: But um, you never know.
11:29
SPEAKER_04: But people want it.
11:30
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you're seeing that, right?
11:31
Corie: Well, yeah.
11:34
Corie: Oh, people here want it too.
11:35
Corie: People here want it too.
11:36
Corie: All right, all right, all right.
11:37
Corie: We have an action group here, they lobby it.
11:39
Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
11:40
SPEAKER_04: But again, you know, I just I want people to because I think sometimes with the road match thing, I think a lot of times people forget.
11:51
SPEAKER_04: And sometimes they throw away the meaning of the song now, though.
11:55
SPEAKER_04: Road match is nice.
11:57
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
11:58
SPEAKER_04: But at the same time, I really want people to understand what the song is about.
12:02
SPEAKER_04: Like the song is about, like we're really celebrating what carnival is.
12:05
SPEAKER_04: And again, this is something that could have not happened.
12:09
SPEAKER_04: Like Carnival could have not been a thing right now.
12:12
SPEAKER_04: So it's just really just celebrating the fact that we're in the capital again.
12:16
SPEAKER_04: But it has a bigger meaning as well.
12:19
SPEAKER_04: And as I say it on stage sometimes, you know, people, you know, feel like you know, trying to have law set, trying to add this, like yo, we are the we are still the capital of Carnival as well.
12:29
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
12:30
SPEAKER_04: You know, and I say that proudly without any hesitation.
12:34
Corie: So you're not joining that thing where people say certain people carnival go take over we can of a bigger.
12:38
SPEAKER_04: No, and I I I think I also think everybody carnival is great because when you go to um Grenada, there's the job and there's that juvenile and there's a raw vibe.
12:49
SPEAKER_04: And but when you come to Trinidad, what Trinidad has that I think a lot of them do have is we have a very deep cultural and and heritage approach to what's what Carnival is in terms of Carnival is not just Monday and Tuesday, it's the stick fighting, you know, is the panorama, you know, is traditional characters, like it's so much more than what you see on your surface as just a street party.
13:21
SPEAKER_04: For me, it's more than a street party, yeah, and also what carnival is for us too on a personal level, like the country that's been eating up whole yeah, is this going on, that going on, and the moment Carnival comes is like is this and everybody could kind of take the pressure again and just we get back to hey one love, you know that that kind of vibe.
13:49
SPEAKER_04: So for me, our carnival is is I don't want to say better, but I just want to be that post.
13:58
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, let me be that post.
13:59
Corie: It's it's very, very wide.
14:01
Corie: Yeah, I think it's immersive.
14:02
Corie: Like you know, pancreal night.
14:04
Corie: I drive wrong with Savannah.
14:05
Corie: It was the same night that the Flavor Village closed.
14:08
Corie: So their RAM, All-Stars Ram, Renegades Ram.
14:11
Corie: I've never been to a carnival.
14:13
Corie: I went to Jamaica, I went Miami, and it's nice, yeah, but it's events, it's not it's not the same festival feed, it's not as wide, it's not heritage, it's not heritage, yeah, yeah.
14:22
Corie: Yeah, and you you taking some time to teach about heritage because even in the way you talk about writing his song, I always feel like if when I listen to your music, I say, boy, this man really bung to say last train to San Fernando there.
14:34
Corie: You could make it into something else, yeah, yeah, yeah.
14:36
Corie: Right.
14:36
Corie: So it's it's deliberate, and you brought up DNA.
14:40
Corie: Uh Roadmatch then, uh you had no choice then, right?
14:42
Corie: You had to register, they're putting pressure on you on them kind of thing.
14:45
Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
14:46
Corie: Why?
14:46
Corie: Congrats, congrats.
14:48
SPEAKER_04: Give thanks, give thanks.
14:49
Corie: What was like going through that going through that from releasing his song?
14:52
Corie: You have no idea you say that.
14:53
Corie: Nah, I always say that.
14:55
SPEAKER_04: When people ask me, I was I was very sure of DNA.
14:58
SPEAKER_04: In terms of not like as a road match song, but like as a great song.
15:03
SPEAKER_04: Like I always knew, like, because that song came from like a real, real place.
15:08
SPEAKER_04: I was the carnival before that as on the road now.
15:12
SPEAKER_04: I was on Mukrapa Road.
15:14
SPEAKER_04: Because I'd be about 5 p.m.
15:17
SPEAKER_04: around this.
15:17
SPEAKER_04: So the sun set, the vibes nice, bro.
15:20
SPEAKER_04: That year the road was because I think that was the year where that's right after COVID where we could actually go on the road.
15:26
SPEAKER_04: That's right.
15:27
SPEAKER_04: Right?
15:27
SPEAKER_04: And but I was on Mukwrapa Road and I just seen people.
15:31
SPEAKER_04: And I was just like, yo, when we all side, it's like an ocean of love, boy.
15:35
SPEAKER_04: Immediately.
15:36
SPEAKER_04: So you take a notes immediately, I get on my phone.
15:38
SPEAKER_04: Ocean of love.
15:41
SPEAKER_04: And from then I just kept working on the song throughout the year, and it just came from a real organic place.
15:46
SPEAKER_04: So by the time, you know, I would say me, I kind of already had the song.
15:52
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
15:52
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
15:53
SPEAKER_04: Me after that, kind of well.
15:55
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
15:56
SPEAKER_04: So I've just been cruising along saying, all right, yeah, Oli.
15:59
SPEAKER_03: One.
16:00
SPEAKER_03: One.
16:02
Corie: It's a nice thing when you know you have something, everybody else.
16:05
Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
16:06
Corie: Yeah, whatever.
16:07
Corie: Sure.
16:08
Corie: So when you see the initial responses, you're thinking roadmarch and think of people sort of.
16:11
Corie: Never, never.
16:12
Corie: I just thought it was a real good song, and I and I think so.
16:16
SPEAKER_04: For me, right?
16:19
SPEAKER_04: My approach, this is this my approach.
16:22
SPEAKER_04: My approach is I don't need to tell you jump and wave and get on bad.
16:30
SPEAKER_04: I think if I I think if you have an emotional attachment to a song, you're going to jump and wave and get on bad.
16:38
SPEAKER_04: So for me, I always try to like make music that people could emotionally attach themselves to.
16:44
SPEAKER_04: And then all the jump and wave will come after.
16:47
SPEAKER_04: Because with that, you can make a groovy song feel like with this man singing power, boy.
16:52
SPEAKER_04: Like Danny.
16:54
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
16:55
Corie: So it don't have to be that simple.
16:57
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
16:58
SPEAKER_04: That's that's that's just me.
16:59
SPEAKER_04: How some artists might feel differently and they feel like now we have to hear from you, you know.
17:06
Corie: Is that is that is a line in that song again when I say it from a past life?
17:10
Corie: Because when you say connect emotionally, no, until you say this now, I'm not paying attention to the fact that you're not saying jump and wave, huh?
17:16
Corie: I never really pay attention to it.
17:17
Corie: But I see it when you perform.
17:19
Corie: And one of them lines in that song is um take a chance now.
17:23
Corie: We dance now.
17:24
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
17:24
Corie: That is how it used to feel in every fet you go to.
17:27
Corie: Fet fet, right, David?
17:28
Corie: Not um, not these dress-up events, you know.
17:30
Corie: I mean, not parties.
17:32
Corie: Not parties, not any branches.
17:33
Corie: I like the branch on them.
17:34
Corie: No, I don't know if the branch branch is my favorite thing.
17:36
Corie: I guess so, I guess so.
17:37
Corie: I retired.
17:38
Corie: I used to go branch.
17:39
Corie: But the the when you when you go Spectrum or you go PSA or you go Carnaval, what do you call Carnival City, not Carnaval Village?
17:45
Corie: Them venues or Skinner Park back in it.
17:47
Corie: The old Skinner Park.
17:48
Corie: Yeah, not you decorate Skinner Park, right?
17:50
Corie: When you go fetch the drug.
17:55
Corie: It's hard to describe to people now the idea of the random wining on a stranger.
17:59
Corie: It's on a phone, you're taking your blank, you move on.
18:02
Corie: So it's like when you say take a chance now, but that's what the whole fet was, no?
18:06
Corie: Yeah.
18:06
Corie: It's a fet's where mere C Eddie or Marshall or none of them, you just bumpers.
18:10
Corie: You listen.
18:10
Corie: Counting wine.
18:11
Corie: How much you how much wine you take for the yourself?
18:14
Corie: I earned seven, boy.
18:15
Corie: When you walk from PSA and you're walking back home and saying, Why not nothing, boy?
18:19
Corie: That's what it was.
18:20
Corie: So it's like, where this man come from?
18:22
Corie: Where were we hearing it from?
18:24
SPEAKER_04: No, but but again, every time you leave your house and you go to an event, you're taking a chance, you know what I mean?
18:34
SPEAKER_04: So, and and it's also to show you that loosen up a bit, like like, you know, try your hand, you never know.
18:42
SPEAKER_04: You could end up, you know.
18:44
SPEAKER_04: Some people, I have a bedroom of mine's, right?
18:47
SPEAKER_04: Um, he found his wife in a fet.
18:50
SPEAKER_04: Take a chance.
18:51
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
18:52
Corie: Never know we could, you know, you never know.
18:54
Corie: Usually only guess ever that people ask me to ask you if you have a woman and married.
18:59
Corie: You bring up marriage, right?
19:00
Corie: So are you just asking on behalf of people?
19:03
Corie: Um pleady fifth.
19:05
Corie: That's like you wrote much.
19:06
Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
19:07
Corie: No answer.
19:08
SPEAKER_00: No answer, man.
19:10
SPEAKER_04: I know for me, I like to keep my things personal.
19:14
SPEAKER_04: I feel like any some things that you allow people to kind of keep for yourself.
19:21
Corie: That's fair.
19:21
Corie: Please fit.
19:23
Corie: So one of them experiences I have with you performing, and I spoke about it here when I both when I was recording by myself on a schooner was so impressive.
19:29
Corie: I remember the it could have been the first soccer coming out of the lockdown, maybe, maybe, maybe just after.
19:36
Corie: Uh that'll be DNA.
19:38
Corie: Was it DNA?
19:39
Corie: It wasn't DNA, but it'd be yeah after DNA.
19:41
Corie: Yeah before.
19:42
Corie: Hall of Fame?
19:43
Corie: Could it have been Hall of Fame?
19:45
Corie: Boy, possibly, possibly.
19:46
Corie: But the thing is, you you performed and started soccer.
19:50
Corie: But you were the first performer in soccer that yeah.
19:53
Corie: Every year.
19:53
Corie: Every year.
19:55
Corie: Scoot big up yourself, but yeah, every year.
19:57
Corie: I think he just, I don't know, he trusts me to open boy.
20:01
Corie: Well, guys, I was impressed.
20:03
Corie: Let me put it like that, right?
20:04
Corie: Because soccer is a funny event.
20:05
Corie: You're coming at three o'clock in the morning, man looking for the spot.
20:08
Corie: So I find it to be very difficult to be the first person going on that stage.
20:12
Corie: I don't know who was doing it before you, but I can tell you, nobody used to take people.
20:16
Corie: It was hard.
20:17
Corie: It's hard.
20:17
Corie: The person will be on stage, you didn't even realize nobody on stage because you're still trying to get people coming in.
20:22
Corie: But boy, I see you start, the feds start then.
20:25
Corie: I went to many soaker where it didn't start till close to sunrise time.
20:30
Corie: Yeah.
20:31
Corie: So you going out there with that crowd, you wait or something, is something you enjoy.
20:35
SPEAKER_04: Um, well, it's the case of history about me, right?
20:40
SPEAKER_04: I am where you call a wacka man.
20:43
SPEAKER_04: In terms of I know, like, I have been performing with like, it's like before you had any song.
20:51
SPEAKER_04: And I know what is to go out there.
20:53
SPEAKER_04: One, people don't know who you are, they don't know the song, but you have to go out there and like work and drill and make them like the song.
21:02
SPEAKER_04: Or make them be like, who is he?
21:04
SPEAKER_04: What song is this?
21:05
SPEAKER_04: So I kind of come up from doing that now.
21:09
SPEAKER_04: So now it's like, it's like an artist might be like, nah, me want to go there, and bro, like, it doesn't really matter where you put me.
21:16
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
21:17
SPEAKER_04: Just put me there.
21:19
SPEAKER_04: I'll do my best.
21:21
SPEAKER_04: And my best usually good.
21:23
SPEAKER_04: Usually works.
21:23
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it just works.
21:24
Corie: It just works.
21:25
Corie: So if you wak a man, you cut down.
21:26
Corie: Myself and voice have a running joke.
21:28
SPEAKER_04: Like, I'll be like, Yeah, well, and I'll cuddy wash the fair.
21:30
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, well, I give thanks by whatever.
21:31
SPEAKER_04: You know, you know, like whole of last season, I even bits of the season, I go before him.
21:39
SPEAKER_04: Cody Bosh.
21:40
SPEAKER_03: So by the time he comes out there, yeah, before warm, you know what I mean?
21:45
Corie: The warm, the warm, the ready.
21:47
Corie: It's funny because I don't know if my ego go allow me the year after I win road match.
21:51
Corie: I don't open no fet.
21:53
SPEAKER_04: So the first thing I hear when they when they say is you are saying no, but sometimes, but here what they do, you know, me and me and ding no.
22:00
SPEAKER_04: Have a phrase, we call it.
22:02
SPEAKER_04: We say you have to have the testicular fortitude.
22:06
SPEAKER_04: You understand to go out there and and it better you as a performer too, yeah.
22:10
SPEAKER_04: Right, right.
22:11
SPEAKER_04: In fact, you could go out there where when a crowd is dead and nobody really feeling to move, and you go out there and work the crowd.
22:18
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
22:20
SPEAKER_04: Plenty of of uh my DNA season would be me opening parties because we once we set a time and we say seven o'clock, bro, it have no wait an hour now, no bro, seven, four or five people we are performing and they are going to run up and down and have a good time.
22:37
Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
22:38
Corie: Again, salute for that, salute for that.
22:40
Corie: When you say it's not a very, very impressive thing, but again, when you win road matches, like I could close the show.
22:46
Corie: We can take it from here, boys.
22:47
Corie: Tell voice go and cut Bush from the.
22:50
Corie: As you bring up Ding Dong to move, I don't know what show it was.
22:54
Corie: Plenty shoes, plenty shoes, plenty shoes, plenty shoes.
22:59
SPEAKER_04: My brother, my brother.
23:00
SPEAKER_04: Again, fun fact with like ding dong, right?
23:03
SPEAKER_04: Um uh when this was supposed to be like what 2019 or 2020, I wrong there, right?
23:10
SPEAKER_04: I had this song and uh sent it for Shal.
23:15
SPEAKER_04: Shal say, now we have our song already similar to this way.
23:19
SPEAKER_04: I didn't feel it's gonna make sense.
23:21
SPEAKER_04: See for real boy?
23:22
SPEAKER_04: Alright.
23:24
SPEAKER_04: Then I write an exfil to the song.
23:27
SPEAKER_04: I call Shal, I say, Shal boy.
23:30
SPEAKER_04: Bro, I feel this song.
23:31
SPEAKER_04: I said send for Magina.
23:33
SPEAKER_04: I said, now I do feel feel as it's for me.
23:40
SPEAKER_04: Whoever, yes, I might just sing this song and whoever was a little rhythm we was working on.
23:47
SPEAKER_04: Then now second star, you know, say, yo, I want to bring Ding Dong in the studio.
23:54
SPEAKER_04: And to be honest, I was in a kind of I don't want to say this gruntal state of mine, but I just wasn't on the writing for artists like that as kind of like because you know, most of the songwriters would tell you, like, we write it, we we could write a song and you had to run down the artists, and then when you run them down and the song become a hit, you know, you they left with to go in cut and cut gain here five dollars.
24:24
SPEAKER_04: You know, so it's just like to go do all this work, is whatever.
24:29
SPEAKER_04: You know, just whatever.
24:32
SPEAKER_04: So second star bring him, and then they're playing rhythms in the studio.
24:37
SPEAKER_04: And he told him, I just be honest in the studio.
24:39
SPEAKER_04: I once once you're in the studio, it have no bitter wrongy bush and bro, mean like that.
24:45
SPEAKER_04: Mean like rhythm on them.
24:47
SPEAKER_04: So he was like, Well, we have.
24:53
SPEAKER_04: So I was just like, well, he was working on this here.
24:56
SPEAKER_04: From the time he here, dirty bad mind though, like we yeah, yeah.
25:02
SPEAKER_04: I say, well, bro, let me play this song like some cleaner, that brother.
25:07
SPEAKER_04: I show.
25:08
SPEAKER_04: And then by the time we reach into the we outside, he was like, bro, I take this.
25:16
SPEAKER_04: He said, and we say, Well, you don't want it, I taking this, brother.
25:21
SPEAKER_04: I taking this.
25:23
SPEAKER_04: And ever since that we just real click, boy.
25:26
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and I think he taught me the how to play, boy.
25:33
SPEAKER_04: He taught me the missing piece of the business that I didn't really understand, which was like dealing with the personalities.
25:43
SPEAKER_04: Like that's also a real um it's funny because if you are a person that don't understand how to deal with people in the it could kind of build bridges and people, you know, like he taught me how to kind of navigate those spaces.
26:03
Corie: You tell you not to tell people you know like none of them with them than nothing.
26:05
SPEAKER_04: I can see that, I can see that.
26:07
SPEAKER_04: I can see that, I can see that, I can say that.
26:10
Corie: Well, let me go back to the early days now because we need to mode writing and production, and then he came up here with Aki too, Uncle, Uncle Mode.
26:17
Corie: Uncle Mode, you know what I mean?
26:20
Corie: But your earliest days you were performing and things like school days on the game.
26:23
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, bro.
26:24
SPEAKER_04: I actually started in Parang, you know.
26:26
SPEAKER_04: Funny enough.
26:26
SPEAKER_04: So you said that my wanna watch me young Enrico Cameo taught me how to play guitar.
26:31
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, look how much, yeah.
26:35
Corie: Yeah, boy.
26:36
Corie: Um God remind me Nicole, you see if you can mention you know, yeah.
26:41
SPEAKER_04: I was in um standard one.
26:44
SPEAKER_04: But what school is this?
26:45
SPEAKER_04: How you mean?
26:46
SPEAKER_04: What I think his son was like just started his school and he started to give like guitar classes.
26:54
SPEAKER_04: And but I I wasn't really on music like that, yeah.
26:57
SPEAKER_04: Seriously I was given trouble, bro.
26:59
SPEAKER_04: I was just given real trouble.
27:02
SPEAKER_04: And um, the teacher suggested to my mom, you know, I was doing karate at first.
27:08
SPEAKER_04: Really wasn't on a karate thing, you know, and then they were like, you know, well, you know, they're doing um some guitar classes, you should, you know.
27:17
SPEAKER_04: Why first day we learned that G chord, it's like nah, that's not for me.
27:21
SPEAKER_04: That is not for me.
27:23
SPEAKER_04: What they make me go back again, and then I started to get the hang of it, you know.
27:29
SPEAKER_04: I was like, alright.
27:31
SPEAKER_04: But then what happened is I started to learn like songs on the guitar, and I then started to feel like okay, I like this a little bit, and then it keeps growing from there.
27:41
Corie: Right, so you was into music already.
27:43
Corie: Yeah, yeah.
27:44
Corie: Just not playing?
27:45
Corie: Just not playing like that.
27:46
Corie: And when performance at primary school used to?
27:48
SPEAKER_04: Primary school, I actually.
27:49
SPEAKER_04: So when when one of the teachers now realized I could have played the guitar, they made me join the parang band.
27:58
SPEAKER_04: And we came like second and third school competition.
28:01
SPEAKER_04: School competition.
28:02
SPEAKER_04: Like I went in to Trinity Mocha, used to have a thing called Shades of Culture, and well, that's all I knew at the time to play like um parang now.
28:10
SPEAKER_04: And I played this song called um Gabylan.
28:12
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, of course.
28:17
SPEAKER_04: Gabylan, Gabylan.
28:19
SPEAKER_04: But listen, complete mashup, like the whole auditorium was like, yeah, but you alone just got any guitar?
28:26
Corie: Yeah, me and my guitar.
28:27
Corie: Yeah, we need a clutch for me and Gaby Lan.
28:32
Corie: We had to get to the bottom of this, and then things like Calypso competition and you have that in mind.
28:37
SPEAKER_04: Well, I tried it, boy, but then the one competition I entered, I um played second to last boy.
28:47
SPEAKER_04: And I rubbed me the wrong way, boy.
28:49
SPEAKER_04: That rubbed me the wrong way.
28:51
SPEAKER_04: I never after that, I never entered a competition.
28:55
SPEAKER_04: Never in my life, bro.
28:57
SPEAKER_04: That that's rubbed me the wrong way.
28:58
SPEAKER_04: I was like, never again.
29:00
Corie: So wait, do you have an expectation that anything you start to be real good at?
29:03
Corie: Because from G chord you want to done play it at the first one.
29:05
Corie: No, well, it's how.
29:06
SPEAKER_04: So what happened is I what I remember of the whole scenario was I entered the competition and they really like the song, but like I didn't meet certain criteria.
29:18
SPEAKER_04: So I suppose.
29:20
Corie: Yeah, yeah, that's why you don't like competition now.
29:23
Corie: Yeah, it's okay.
29:24
Corie: We start to get to the bottom of this.
29:26
Corie: See where it goes in as PTSD.
29:28
Corie: Yeah, but could be, you know, could be, could be.
29:32
Corie: So coming out of school, what's your intention?
29:34
Corie: What you what you want to do in life and them kind of thing?
29:36
SPEAKER_04: Mocha, like secondary school.
29:38
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, um, so coming out of school, actually, I was on form five, and um I lost a real, real good friend.
29:46
SPEAKER_04: Um, he was mooded.
29:48
SPEAKER_04: Right?
29:49
SPEAKER_04: So coming out of school, I was kind of like actually no, I I had to start by saying this, I was in form four at the time, and I just written for Destro.
29:59
SPEAKER_04: So I just written carry on for and you know, so I was in it in a in a kind of sense, and I was doing the music, but then now when it's time to do CXC, you know, the buckle down, you know, kind of settle on a bit.
30:14
SPEAKER_04: And well, that happened, you know, lost a friend, and I didn't know where I want to go.
30:20
SPEAKER_04: I didn't know if I want to do music, if I just want to do an 84, I want to just what stay on the block, you know.
30:28
SPEAKER_04: Um and then finish school, get some passes, and my uncle, you know, used to be back and forth in Trinidad, and he knew I was into music and stuff.
30:41
SPEAKER_04: And I think he saw I was at a real pivotal point in my life, and he was like, listen, you finish school if you don't want to, if you're not sure what you want to do, come South Africa.
30:57
SPEAKER_04: Come and just no expectation.
30:59
SPEAKER_04: You just come and rock back and figure out music or as and I'll watch my name was already done for form six, right?
31:10
SPEAKER_04: Right?
31:10
Corie: Okay, so you do good and say exactly.
31:12
Corie: Yeah, yeah, go ahead and just check out, you know what I mean?
31:16
SPEAKER_04: So man.
31:17
SPEAKER_04: Right?
31:17
SPEAKER_04: And my name was there for form six, so I had the avenue, but then I was like, nah, boy.
31:23
SPEAKER_04: And they actually called me.
31:24
SPEAKER_04: I was like, listen, we'll make you um deputy house free fair.
31:29
SPEAKER_04: I said to go back to school, uh, I go to South Africa and I spend a couple of months out there, and he was like, you know, look, this equipment, this music.
31:44
SPEAKER_04: And I was just in South Africa making music and even linking up with like people in South Africa, like this random artist on the streets, and like even some Congolese artists, like before, even before Afrobeast was a thing, sure, sure, right?
31:56
SPEAKER_04: So I was in Jubug, just there doing music, or sometimes hanging out in the malls and just really soaking up the energy.
32:05
SPEAKER_04: And at that time, Kesy from Precision would have still been selling us beats and stuff to write.
32:15
SPEAKER_04: And send my beats and I was recording.
32:19
SPEAKER_04: And then he heard me singing and he was like, he pushed the door, he said, call me bigger, he said bigger.
32:25
SPEAKER_04: Big man thing, dread.
32:27
SPEAKER_04: Gotta sing some of them songs you have, they boy.
32:29
SPEAKER_04: You have our voice.
32:31
SPEAKER_04: Because before that, everybody used to be like, you know, you could real write music, and like even how I got into writing, is that I wanted to be an artist first, huh?
32:40
SPEAKER_04: So I just just to backtrack a little bit.
32:44
SPEAKER_04: I just finished working Marcy.
32:46
SPEAKER_04: Well, at that time Hilo.
32:48
SPEAKER_04: Right?
32:49
SPEAKER_04: Make mad money in tips, right?
32:51
SPEAKER_04: Stink money in tips.
32:53
SPEAKER_04: So, you know, the the the black in me wants to go and buy a jansport and a little air force, go back out to school.
33:04
SPEAKER_04: We can relate bad, right?
33:08
SPEAKER_04: Right?
33:09
SPEAKER_04: Right?
33:10
SPEAKER_04: So, but then now I didn't feel myself.
33:13
SPEAKER_04: I I just started playing around on Fruity Loops, and I had this real nice little song.
33:18
SPEAKER_04: And that time on Julian Promo used to see all the credits now.
33:22
SPEAKER_04: So I was like, and me and a bedroom of mine used to skip school, mommy.
33:28
SPEAKER_04: Forgive that.
33:29
SPEAKER_04: We used to skip school and go in the internet cafe because we installed Fruity Loops on the internet, internet um, right?
33:36
SPEAKER_04: So we used to skip school, make beats, right?
33:40
SPEAKER_04: And I had this little idea where when I say, no, boy, I want to actually do this song with him.
33:45
SPEAKER_04: And message KC on Facebook.
33:48
SPEAKER_04: Who tell he to respond?
33:51
SPEAKER_04: From the time he responds, I say, yeah.
33:53
SPEAKER_04: Get him, got him.
33:56
SPEAKER_04: So the message back and for say, yo, bro, I had a song wherever I was like, bro.
33:59
SPEAKER_04: I will into paying no my money, you know.
34:01
SPEAKER_04: Right.
34:01
SPEAKER_04: So he said, Yeah, come down, record it, whatever, he gave my real good price.
34:07
SPEAKER_04: Thing went down, they cash.
34:08
SPEAKER_04: Right.
34:09
SPEAKER_04: But at the time I was like probably 13 at the time.
34:13
SPEAKER_04: Wow.
34:14
SPEAKER_04: So my aunt had to go with me.
34:16
SPEAKER_04: Because it was far down palm.
34:18
SPEAKER_04: So I never went to palm this places before.
34:21
SPEAKER_04: Right?
34:21
SPEAKER_04: So went down there now.
34:23
SPEAKER_04: After we finished, so my mind you he didn't even come in the session, it was Ash Rency Gubin, who was could have been in the studio with him at the time.
34:30
SPEAKER_04: So he was more engineering session.
34:31
SPEAKER_04: So then now finish the song now.
34:36
SPEAKER_04: Well, I see this light open up like almost like goal.
34:40
SPEAKER_04: Casey walkthrough.
34:42
SPEAKER_04: Let me hear the song song on there.
34:44
SPEAKER_04: Press play.
34:45
SPEAKER_04: And he's like, Yeah, man, you could you could write actually your mind writing for artists and thing.
34:51
SPEAKER_04: So as soon as you say, I was like, nine, I really are nine on.
34:53
SPEAKER_04: My aunt is like, hush.
34:56
SPEAKER_04: Salute to Auntie.
34:58
SPEAKER_04: Salute to Auntie.
34:59
SPEAKER_04: And she was like, he will write.
35:01
SPEAKER_04: He will write.
35:02
SPEAKER_04: What will you need to write?
35:03
SPEAKER_04: He will write.
35:03
SPEAKER_04: Send him it.
35:04
SPEAKER_04: So he was like, Well, I go take your email and thing, whatever, whatever.
35:07
SPEAKER_04: And then he started to send me beats.
35:09
SPEAKER_04: So I used to be in the library in school and write, like, get the little beats and writing and recording on my little laptop speaker in the little back room.
35:18
Corie: So that's how it comes to writing for destroying things.
35:21
Corie: Because if you say you lost the calypso competition, then you just say write for destroying.
35:25
SPEAKER_04: So that's how it started.
35:26
SPEAKER_04: So true through Keys is how I got the opportunity.
35:29
SPEAKER_04: And again, so I was like kind of now getting my foot in.
35:34
SPEAKER_04: And I must say, salute to Destro.
35:35
SPEAKER_04: She's one of the very, very few, if not the only artists that I would have worked with and always like full of love where like she even to this day now, we have like a real great relationship, and she has always like looked out for me because even at that stage in my career, like she didn't have to like make sure the monies and the everything was displayed.
35:59
SPEAKER_04: She was very, very straight up now.
36:01
SPEAKER_04: So like salute to you.
36:02
SPEAKER_04: What were some of the early songs when you when you write them?
36:05
SPEAKER_04: Um Carry On, Handley Ride, Black's Hole Malica.
36:11
Corie: But the industry well, I don't ask you about Destro too, right?
36:14
Corie: Because you're talking about really young at this point in time writing for them.
36:18
Corie: Yeah, I see you in studio with Patrice.
36:20
Corie: Yeah.
36:20
Corie: This year.
36:21
Corie: Yeah.
36:21
Corie: And he's a man.
36:22
Corie: Where you say is where we see on Instagram.
36:24
Corie: You're very direct in his studio.
36:25
Corie: I'll say that, right?
36:26
Corie: Yeah.
36:26
Corie: Nah, say it's so.
36:28
Corie: No, do it again.
36:29
Corie: Yeah.
36:30
Corie: When you're young like that and you're seeing people like Destra and Black Sunday, me have that confidence.
36:34
SPEAKER_04: Well, Destroy is that different.
36:35
SPEAKER_04: Really?
36:36
SPEAKER_04: So I was in um I was just the other day for rehearsal for my show Mass.
36:41
SPEAKER_04: And I was telling her, like, I was telling her something.
36:44
SPEAKER_04: And she's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
36:45
SPEAKER_04: You relax yourself.
36:47
SPEAKER_04: You know, Destroy, you relax yourself.
36:49
SPEAKER_04: When I feel it, I go tell you, you relax.
36:52
SPEAKER_04: So she kind of always has like a you know a direction.
36:57
SPEAKER_04: Sure, sure.
36:58
Corie: You know?
36:58
Corie: But at that age, you know where you want to hear in terms of when you're right.
37:01
Corie: Not really, you know.
37:02
SPEAKER_04: Not really.
37:02
SPEAKER_04: I think at that age, I was still learning like uh song structure and what fits here, what does fit here.
37:10
SPEAKER_04: Because I was just writing music.
37:12
SPEAKER_04: And I think Casey would have been that person who would have.
37:15
SPEAKER_04: I hear this man just talking, well, you go put this as a post-corner.
37:19
SPEAKER_04: Like, what?
37:20
SPEAKER_04: Um, this could be diverse.
37:22
SPEAKER_04: What do you mean?
37:23
SPEAKER_04: I just writing music.
37:24
SPEAKER_04: I understand.
37:25
Corie: You know what I mean?
37:26
Corie: So I'd step back again.
37:27
Corie: Where you get the ability to write?
37:28
Corie: It was an English class, or what you was doing?
37:31
SPEAKER_04: I don't know, boy.
37:32
SPEAKER_04: I I mean, I'm the only person in my family who's into music.
37:36
SPEAKER_04: Everybody's into sports and like my mom and them is netball.
37:41
SPEAKER_04: My sister is like a, well, she was doing uh professional basketballer, you know, traveling and stuff.
37:46
SPEAKER_04: So for me, I'm the only person really into music like that.
37:49
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
37:50
SPEAKER_04: Who's player instrument.
37:52
SPEAKER_04: But but then too, coming from Gonzalez, right?
37:55
SPEAKER_04: I don't know if it's like a uh every generation kind of thing, because thinking about it now in hindsight, um, I live about 15 9, about 10 houses away from Joey Lewis.
38:11
SPEAKER_04: And then opposite Joey Lewis is Tamboo.
38:14
SPEAKER_04: No, man, you never like personally dealt with with them, but like maybe.
38:18
SPEAKER_04: So the energy?
38:19
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, maybe like a generational and uh so hey that Joey Lewis, Tamboo now, you know.
38:24
SPEAKER_04: You want to explain to people who's Joey Lewis?
38:26
Corie: I think there's nothing like that.
38:27
Corie: No, just joking.
38:28
Corie: Just joking.
38:28
Corie: That's some people when they say Joey Lewis, let them do the Googles, let them do the Googles, they had to do the work.
38:33
Corie: That's part that's part of the joke.
38:34
Corie: You do your work, you do your work.
38:35
Corie: So, what's your first song that you're writing that you're hearing popular and that kind of thing?
38:38
Corie: Or was that feeling?
38:39
SPEAKER_04: That means you carry on, to be honest.
38:41
SPEAKER_04: I mean, we we were like everybody was sit down, they, you know, um, on the Fantastic Friday.
38:50
SPEAKER_04: You write a write ahead.
38:52
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
38:52
SPEAKER_04: So that was a good experience.
38:54
SPEAKER_04: Like, even when I I had my physics teacher, he was a real um, he was a real carnival man now.
39:01
SPEAKER_04: And I used to come to class late and thing.
39:05
SPEAKER_04: So he was like, I did come to the class late.
39:09
SPEAKER_04: He was like, well, you gotta come in my class, you know?
39:11
SPEAKER_04: You don't write in for the restaurant thing.
39:15
Corie: Yeah, so you see why my ego is a problem again.
39:18
Corie: He doesn't never get a chance to tell me that.
39:19
Corie: Because the day after I said, Well, wrap up this school thing, you know what I mean?
39:23
Corie: Just give me 100%.
39:25
SPEAKER_04: I was very much in school trying to just get my passes.
39:29
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, make it work.
39:30
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
39:30
SPEAKER_04: But but just to go back to that whole again, finishing school, still having my foot in it, but not like in it, in it, not sure.
39:41
SPEAKER_04: And when I was in South Africa now, it was getting to that point where I knew I had to come back home.
39:49
SPEAKER_04: And I know I had to kind of wear enough face the music because I don't think I could have made it out there.
39:56
Corie: I think I needed to come here, come back home and so while you were there, we're trying to do music over there, or you're sending songs back home and sending back songs home too.
40:04
SPEAKER_04: You know, but I was out there doing music just you know, all over the place.
40:09
SPEAKER_04: Um but performing or writing on person?
40:11
SPEAKER_04: No, just writing on person.
40:12
SPEAKER_04: Not not performing at all at all.
40:14
SPEAKER_04: Okay, okay.
40:15
SPEAKER_04: Um, but then when I come back home now, I just started to like go crazy, like figuring it out.
40:23
SPEAKER_04: Like, where do I go?
40:25
SPEAKER_04: Where do I need to, what do I need to do?
40:27
SPEAKER_04: And I was just producing, and then through that we started to do stuff for or we started we actually formed system to you too with uh Kevin, right?
40:35
SPEAKER_04: Kevin, myself, and a guy by the name of Simon.
40:38
SPEAKER_04: And then we formed system to you too, and then we started to do like remixes and then started to do production, and then we did some stuff for Ola Tunji, and that'll be like um OLTL Mountain and kept building up, building and building and building up.
40:53
Corie: And there's writing and production, writing and producing, yeah.
40:57
SPEAKER_04: And then now there was a song that um I had called Night Away.
41:06
SPEAKER_04: And it was on a rhythm, and I uh it was on another rhythm.
41:11
SPEAKER_04: I was asking the producer way, I give me the little blind away.
41:14
SPEAKER_04: You know, by rhythm they have a couple names on it.
41:16
SPEAKER_04: Give me blind, he's like, nah, boy, rhythm full boy.
41:19
SPEAKER_04: So I was just like, nah, well, I go and reproduce my own thing.
41:24
SPEAKER_04: I done already produced it, so I reproduce it, put it out there, again nice little vibes, and then I try my hand again, the Ice Lam competition.
41:35
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
41:36
SPEAKER_04: And same boy, me, I win this thing, boy.
41:40
SPEAKER_04: Especially with them online votes and who buying votes and same by another repeat.
41:46
SPEAKER_04: But I end up, you know, luckily winning the competition and started to perform a lot.
41:52
SPEAKER_04: So it was all the Ice Slams, and then this is for free, eh?
41:56
SPEAKER_04: Right.
41:56
SPEAKER_04: Even performing in the little song eat one-on-one this, and and people are watching you like and uh then now Franco DJ Franco from Hot Night Tree.
42:11
SPEAKER_04: You know, big up to Franco, he's the first teacher to ever play my music, Trinity.
42:15
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, on radio, right?
42:19
SPEAKER_04: Um, and also he lobbied for me to perform in soca in booker at the time.
42:25
SPEAKER_04: Boy, who tells me to do that?
42:27
SPEAKER_04: Go now day.
42:28
SPEAKER_04: It was a good performance.
42:28
SPEAKER_04: Okay, a good performance.
42:30
SPEAKER_04: But um, my friend who was in the crowd, um, she was taping her.
42:35
SPEAKER_04: And when she's taping, I had a woman in front of her.
42:38
SPEAKER_04: And the woman was like, Who is he?
42:43
SPEAKER_04: Dinah Marshall.
42:44
SPEAKER_04: So they come off the stage, yeah.
42:46
SPEAKER_04: Bro, bro.
42:48
Corie: That is a little video, yeah.
42:51
SPEAKER_04: Let's speak by you know, you know, up to the day when you ask like, hey, get any footage?
42:55
SPEAKER_04: I weigh again, bro.
42:57
SPEAKER_04: When I saw that video, I was like, I really work to do.
43:02
SPEAKER_04: But all them things are like real growing pains now, and I think through that, you know, your background brother could go out there, and just I kept performing, performing, and eventually getting better at it.
43:12
SPEAKER_04: Right.
43:13
Corie: So at that time, going on stage and thinking, you're nervous, you enjoy this stage?
43:16
Corie: What is it like for you?
43:17
SPEAKER_04: Um, I was never really nervous, you know.
43:19
SPEAKER_04: Never really nervous.
43:20
SPEAKER_04: I think it was more so what to do?
43:26
SPEAKER_04: What to do, what to do and what not to do was more my angle, but never really nervous.
43:33
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you're going out there.
43:34
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that is going out there.
43:36
SPEAKER_04: You know, I I always had it in my brain, you know, I Wazy Whiskey happen.
43:41
SPEAKER_04: Why is he what's got up on?
43:43
Corie: And at that time, you're writing songs so in the using the example of Shaw and stuff, you're performing now.
43:48
Corie: If you're writing a song on somebody ain't taking it, you have it in mind that you go do it instead, or it's too personal to the to the to perceived.
43:54
Corie: It depends.
43:54
Corie: It depends on his song.
43:56
SPEAKER_04: So, like, I am not really uh a romantic.
44:00
SPEAKER_04: And I'm kind of thinking, so I wouldn't really sing those kind of music now.
44:03
SPEAKER_04: And then also my my relationship to alcohol is very different.
44:07
SPEAKER_04: You know, so I experience people with you know having like that substance abuse with regards to alcohol.
44:21
SPEAKER_04: So for me, I I try to not you know directly in try to influence somebody to like drink rum.
44:28
SPEAKER_04: But I don't mean I don't want to write a rum song.
44:30
SPEAKER_04: Right, I just wouldn't necessarily sing it.
44:33
SPEAKER_04: Because then I'll have to like go out there and take a shot and you know, pretend to be like a big drinker.
44:39
Corie: Okay, okay.
44:40
Corie: Against the nature a little bit.
44:41
Corie: Yeah, yeah.
44:42
Corie: But you so then you're starting to build your own performance, uh ability, you know what I mean?
44:48
Corie: Yeah.
44:48
Corie: Build yourself, build your confidence and stuff.
44:50
Corie: Yeah.
44:50
Corie: But there's a particular song that you feel really breakthrough in terms of in them early days.
44:55
SPEAKER_04: I would say birthday.
44:56
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
44:57
SPEAKER_04: Birthday, because when we had done that same rhythm with outside and everything, and DJs wasn't playing birthday, for sure.
45:05
SPEAKER_04: It was like, we know he is, you know, look at that.
45:09
SPEAKER_04: And I had to, that's when it I had to like dial in my mentality.
45:14
SPEAKER_04: You know, for me, some not going your way, you tend to do two things blame others or find the solution.
45:24
SPEAKER_04: And I was like, you know, I can't sit down and say, well, they ain't playing my thing, and I just, you know, give up and blame the DJs.
45:31
SPEAKER_04: So I was like, yeah, what going on?
45:33
SPEAKER_04: Forget that.
45:35
SPEAKER_04: We figure out how to make this happen.
45:37
SPEAKER_04: And then I realized there's always somebody birdie.
45:41
SPEAKER_04: So I was like, it's Stacey Buddy, and I just would, you know, sing happy birthday, and then go into the song.
45:52
SPEAKER_04: And then what happened now?
45:54
SPEAKER_04: Hey's my boody, tomorrow could you give my job?
45:58
SPEAKER_04: And that's how we started to think to the point where it was, you know, DJ Girl Birdie.
46:04
SPEAKER_04: And we gave them body job, and then they realizing, oh, wait, them girl and them like the little song boy.
46:09
SPEAKER_04: And then they start to play it, and then you start to get yeah, genius.
46:13
Corie: See why I say genius and guy, that's guy so very much again.
46:16
SPEAKER_04: The figure out you can't just, you know, sit down and say, Well, you know, they fight it, man.
46:20
Corie: Well, I make a vow yesterday never to say anything about DJs and turn that to be my life again after I had to say.
46:26
Corie: Exactly.
46:26
Corie: Never again.
46:28
Corie: But I look further.
46:30
Corie: But a lot of people say that.
46:31
Corie: A lot of people say the DJs don't listen to the music.
46:33
Corie: Terry Lions was here saying the same thing you're saying.
46:35
Corie: They skip, they see in a rhythm.
46:37
Corie: Nobody don't know who's Terry Lyons.
46:38
Corie: So they bap bab bap and skip past it.
46:40
Corie: She even said when she went to do the interview, she's telling them, well, you have a song, and the person don't know.
46:45
SPEAKER_04: I bypass that to be honest.
46:47
SPEAKER_04: So for me, right, my relationship to the music is too deep and too connected to allow a group of people, opinion, to make me stop pushing it.
47:01
SPEAKER_04: So even like I have a DJ who as my bedroom, my red bedroom, and he was like, when I first dropped Capital, he messaged me and say, Bro, let's be real with you.
47:11
SPEAKER_04: I didn't really feel it.
47:13
SPEAKER_04: I hit TB2Ks.
47:16
SPEAKER_04: Okay, no problem.
47:18
SPEAKER_04: That's how you feel, and I respect the fact that that's how you feel.
47:21
SPEAKER_04: Even there are people.
47:23
SPEAKER_04: I remember, bro, I am on the truck, right?
47:26
SPEAKER_04: Carnival Tuesday.
47:28
SPEAKER_04: And I'm crossing the stage to DNA.
47:32
SPEAKER_04: Right?
47:33
SPEAKER_04: As with the band pick to cross the stage, and there's a woman.
47:37
SPEAKER_04: I always remember that.
47:38
SPEAKER_04: That was trying to be come off the stage.
47:42
unknown: Come off.
47:44
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, she she does not want to cross the stage to DNA.
47:48
SPEAKER_04: But you want me to feel sad about that?
47:51
SPEAKER_04: You want me to like, no, I there's still always be people that are not going to agree with you.
47:56
SPEAKER_04: There are always going to be people that are not going to like the song.
48:00
SPEAKER_04: And that's just part of life, you know what I mean?
48:02
SPEAKER_04: But that doesn't mean, well, she don't like it.
48:05
SPEAKER_04: I had to stop doing what I'm doing.
48:07
SPEAKER_04: I had to give up.
48:07
Corie: Yeah.
48:08
SPEAKER_04: No, it's just going through.
48:09
SPEAKER_04: Again, when you're faced with those kind of difficulties, you have two options.
48:13
SPEAKER_04: You could either find the solution or blame other people for just not doing anything.
48:18
Corie: Well, if I know, well, maybe before I talk about our culture, did the band leader pick the song and say that they have to play DNA according to my post?
48:24
Corie: Or what was the situation?
48:25
Corie: Don't answer that, right?
48:26
Corie: No, no, no.
48:27
SPEAKER_04: To be honest, no, the band.
48:28
SPEAKER_04: So what that I remember that particular band, sure.
48:31
SPEAKER_04: They have their consensus on everybody who's like, yo, we want to cross the stage to DNA.
48:35
SPEAKER_04: Right, yeah.
48:36
Corie: Yeah, I think it was one of them years.
48:38
Corie: It's one of them years.
48:39
Corie: There's some road matches, and but the poster was really about the years where the road matches stiff.
48:44
Corie: And then you could have systems are corruptible.
48:47
Corie: That was the point I was trying to make.
48:48
Corie: Not necessarily any individual.
48:49
Corie: I don't, I believe in what you say.
48:51
Corie: A man about his song, you must push your product.
48:54
Corie: You do you do what's best for you.
48:56
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you gotta push your product.
48:57
SPEAKER_04: I mean, and the other part of it is if the DJ see you not pushing.
49:03
SPEAKER_04: I suppose.
49:04
SPEAKER_04: That's even more ammunition.
49:05
SPEAKER_04: Just say, Well, yeah.
49:09
SPEAKER_04: I know because again, I some of them is my friends, and they will come and say, Well, boy, mean seeing no way, means he posting nothing.
49:15
Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
49:16
Corie: So, you know.
49:17
Corie: Yeah.
49:17
Corie: Yeah, you go in for it.
49:18
Corie: That resilience, because that's a resilience that I see in our culture sometimes lacking.
49:23
Corie: Well, maybe it's just easier to blame other people.
49:29
SPEAKER_04: I think you know, you know, the biggest misconception people have like of me and experience is especially um last year.
49:36
SPEAKER_04: Like a lot of people, and I went to good school, mocha.
49:39
SPEAKER_04: Heavily uptown.
49:40
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
49:42
SPEAKER_04: No, bro.
49:42
SPEAKER_04: I bro, I grew up in Gonzalez.
49:44
SPEAKER_04: This is for people who don't know where this is, this is in between Belmont and Lavantil.
49:49
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
49:50
SPEAKER_04: So, and I was for most of my life an outside boy, like an outside child.
49:55
SPEAKER_04: We in my jockey sorts running aboutside boys too.
49:59
Corie: But sorry, outside running the groove.
50:01
Corie: Yeah, so go ahead.
50:04
SPEAKER_03: Good point, good point, good point, good point.
50:07
SPEAKER_04: Right?
50:07
SPEAKER_04: Right?
50:08
SPEAKER_04: But but so we accustomed to the ground, you know what I mean?
50:12
SPEAKER_04: And when you're on the ground, you're broad, your back have to be broad, and you kind of have to be able to move through situations now.
50:19
Corie: So at that point in time, you're you're continuing to build your careers out there, you're you you're seeing you're seeing where the breakthrough is.
50:25
Corie: Yeah, there was a particular point at which you realize artists are no turning back because it's Um Ever since I came back to Trinidad, I knew it was music.
50:41
SPEAKER_04: But I didn't necessarily know it was being an artist.
50:44
SPEAKER_04: So what I did looking back, looking in hindsight now, that was kind of genius.
50:55
SPEAKER_04: But what I did when I came back was build my skill set in terms of learning to produce, learning to write, and also and all this is self-taught, you just yeah, well, self-taught, but also you know, nagging Casey, nagging youhan, you know, nagging couple men who was doing it and kind of gain stuff like little advice, little plugins, little, you know, little stuff from them.
51:21
SPEAKER_04: Um and what I think it helped as well too was going to school for it.
51:29
SPEAKER_04: So I went um SVCS and did like the creative media.
51:34
Corie: I see.
51:35
SPEAKER_04: So all those things kind of like just kind of real helps because sometimes I'll be like the graphic artist thing, I was like, just send the PSD, bro.
51:44
SPEAKER_04: You'll do it, yeah.
51:46
SPEAKER_04: I'll just fix whatever, you know what I mean?
51:48
SPEAKER_04: Even for like my event and thing, like oh, we had to add on these sponsors.
51:52
SPEAKER_04: All right, I just take, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
51:55
Corie: Little things you could kind of do for yourself, and you know.
51:58
Corie: Makes sense.
51:59
Corie: And the conceptualization, you're heavy in that too.
52:01
Corie: Because heavy, yeah, heavy, heavy, heavy, very heavy.
52:04
Corie: Was it first year you decided you were doing your own show?
52:08
SPEAKER_04: It was actually right after COVID.
52:10
SPEAKER_04: I was like, I wanted to do it.
52:12
SPEAKER_04: But then, you know, everybody on your team was like, nah, not yet.
52:16
SPEAKER_04: And I was like, why?
52:17
SPEAKER_04: And he was like, not yet.
52:19
SPEAKER_04: I was like, okay, cool, I'll listen.
52:21
SPEAKER_04: And one of the reasons also too, why I uh I didn't want to do a show and then have to like supplement a set of artists to sell the show.
52:32
SPEAKER_04: I feel like I wanted to be able to go for like at least an hour 45 minutes or an hour by myself and have the enough music to support that rather than I start two songs and then uh set artists.
52:47
SPEAKER_04: You know, I give people value.
52:48
Corie: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
52:49
Corie: Yeah, and I mean it's starting to well, I mean it there.
52:52
Corie: When I see the response to this carnival, it started to become one of them fixtures where people looking at what it is and that's blessings, man.
53:00
Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
53:01
Corie: How can you say you are breaking new music in spaces like those?
53:04
Corie: You have that in mind when you're doing music that's familiar to people?
53:07
SPEAKER_04: Very.
53:08
SPEAKER_04: I I I'm one of those people.
53:11
SPEAKER_04: So funny enough, like when I drop last stream, right?
53:14
SPEAKER_04: And you're doing like the little corporate season stuff, and I love when people stand up and like this, really, I love that.
53:25
SPEAKER_04: That is give me a sense of duty, you know what I mean?
53:30
SPEAKER_04: To like go out there and keep performing because it's funny.
53:34
SPEAKER_04: I remember the uh um Kess sang Savanaghs, right?
53:38
SPEAKER_04: No, we know Savanagrass to be what it is.
53:43
SPEAKER_04: I remember the first time Kess performed that and I was like, yo, this song real bad.
53:52
SPEAKER_04: So you hear it from the job.
53:54
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I well artists could tell one of the artists, you know, have it.
54:01
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's like a thing, it's like a thing.
54:03
SPEAKER_04: So, so and then I see him keep performing it.
54:07
SPEAKER_04: And then you know I mean that's that's what you have to do, you have to keep pushing your product.
54:11
Corie: Yeah, so you bring up Sylvanagrass, you're paying attention to people say you just take Savannah Grass and you sing it over.
54:16
Corie: I think he was paying attention to them.
54:17
SPEAKER_04: Well, nobody nobody owns a chord structure, or chord pattern, yeah.
54:22
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
54:23
SPEAKER_04: So yeah.
54:27
Corie: No, actually.
54:28
Corie: You know what I mean?
54:29
Corie: Not really.
54:31
Corie: I see from the experts to the social media people to think say this man just sing over the I find it's such the community chord structure is the same.
54:39
Corie: Yeah.
54:39
Corie: But the thing is, it's so different.
54:41
Corie: The two songs, the message, the lyrics, the melody, everything.
54:44
SPEAKER_04: I share the same sentiment.
54:45
SPEAKER_04: But again, in anything, in anything great, as the saying goes, nobody that's pelt a tree that's not bearing fruit.
54:55
SPEAKER_04: You know, so you know, even uh I think I saw 50 Cent saying that time.
55:00
SPEAKER_04: He said, um, you know, we pray for success, but we don't pray for hate, we don't pray for envy, we don't pray for all the negative things that come with it now.
55:07
SPEAKER_04: But is that about just being prepared to like I think with success, those those things kind of come with it.
55:13
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
55:14
Corie: Everybody stay close to this fella because it's bother me like hell.
55:19
SPEAKER_04: If you allow it, so for somebody who real creative like me, if I allow those things to bother me, then I wouldn't make music from a place I love now.
55:26
SPEAKER_04: I'll make it from a place of like, you know, they fighting me and they, you know, and that's not the energy.
55:32
Corie: Yeah, never hear you or get that feel from not your thing.
55:36
Corie: Nah, not my vibes.
55:37
Corie: So before we start, I was telling you that the first note I take for this interview was a couple years ago.
55:40
Corie: Yeah, why?
55:41
Corie: Two years, mate.
55:42
Corie: You know where it was?
55:43
Corie: David Rudder had come and announced to everybody that he had Parkinson's, and then he said he's gonna do his last full-length show.
55:50
Corie: Remember it?
55:50
Corie: Yeah, in Sunforge.
55:52
Corie: Yeah, and David Rudder is known for marathon shows, right?
55:55
Corie: And I was telling you at my big age, I could I could deal with our 45 minutes of I want to go home.
56:00
Corie: Yeah, but again, we everybody felt like they had to be there.
56:03
Corie: You know, that is one of our icons and legends.
56:05
Corie: Yeah, they had to be there.
56:06
Corie: And it's something that I saw you do in your show, and he does he has always done that create space for people.
56:12
Corie: Yeah, and Nadia was Hall of Fame, he was performing it.
56:15
Corie: Yeah, and he came out and performed it.
56:16
Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
56:17
Corie: What's that like?
56:18
Corie: Because you seem to have a healthy respect for the icons and those who came together.
56:21
SPEAKER_04: Definitely.
56:22
SPEAKER_04: Because I pray one day that when I get to that space, that the same would be allotted to me.
56:29
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
56:30
SPEAKER_04: And again, in order to know where you're going, you have to know where you come from.
56:36
SPEAKER_04: So for me, I I definitely know where I come from, and I'll always give the legends the respect they deserve now.
56:43
SPEAKER_04: You know, each and every single one of them.
56:45
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
56:46
Corie: You see the reaction when you come out there?
56:48
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
56:50
SPEAKER_03: The shock man.
56:51
Corie: Really?
56:52
SPEAKER_03: The shock, man, the shockman.
56:53
SPEAKER_03: Very, very the shockman.
56:55
Corie: It felt like people was waiting to see you.
56:57
Corie: Yeah.
56:57
Corie: It felt like because it was the second half of the show.
57:00
Corie: Tired at this point in time.
57:02
Corie: It was a seated show, and people start to get up.
57:06
Corie: I'm telling you something, it's hard because one thing, David, I love David Roder, but ever since David will know this.
57:10
Corie: He gonna get a Haiti, and who saying them things for about six hours worth of them slow songs are fan inside this, so he's be starting to get tired.
57:18
Corie: Yeah.
57:18
Corie: But you you come out there and the the energy in that crowd.
57:21
Corie: That's really good.
57:22
Corie: So Hall of Fame, when you write and produce too?
57:24
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
57:25
SPEAKER_04: Wrote and producer as well.
57:26
Corie: What's the third process when you're going to buy a song like that?
57:31
SPEAKER_04: Well, weird enough, right?
57:33
SPEAKER_04: The the song, the song that I initially started Hall of Fame with was Lottery.
57:39
SPEAKER_04: So I was saying like a I feel like a wendy lottery, and then I realized, you know, weird enough e the plex.
57:46
SPEAKER_04: He was like, dog, you know, we don't really have a lottery, lottery, we have play with it.
57:51
SPEAKER_04: So that ain't making sense.
57:52
SPEAKER_04: So we had to kind of sit down and rewrite the song.
57:56
SPEAKER_04: And going into that thought process now was like COVID had just kind of shut down everything.
58:07
SPEAKER_04: So it was really just a message of you know, the worry lover, the worry friend.
58:11
SPEAKER_04: Like we with time coming back again, and when we time come back, you know, definitely we we gonna be in the hall of fame.
58:17
SPEAKER_04: It's gonna be the greatest, you know, carnival or season or fet or whatever it is, we are going to make it the greatest.
58:23
SPEAKER_04: That was really the thought process of it.
58:26
SPEAKER_04: But then after this song released, where did enough I realised that it had like a bigger meaning than that, where it was like also paying homage to like the greats now, the hall of famers.
58:40
SPEAKER_04: So it kind of took a spin on it on its own, to be honest.
58:44
SPEAKER_04: Really?
58:44
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
58:44
Corie: So when you're writing it on the madness, David Ruddell say you're just paying homage, yeah?
58:48
SPEAKER_04: Just naturally paying homage.
58:50
SPEAKER_04: But then tying in that now with the Hall of Fame kind of took its own.
58:55
SPEAKER_04: And then what I did after when I realized that after the song was already finished, I started to do like a little small small series of like showing people the history of like artists.
59:05
SPEAKER_04: So this the today I'll take in the Hall of Fame series with Lord Kitchener and just Instagram doing it with.
59:12
SPEAKER_04: Um well that time TikTok was relatively new and and that kind of vibe.
59:17
SPEAKER_04: So people taking it in you, yeah.
59:22
SPEAKER_04: I stopped because you know, DNA and stuff like that.
59:25
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
59:26
SPEAKER_04: But even that yeah, people actually like why stop the whole of him serious?
59:29
SPEAKER_04: Because, like, you know, you would know as a podcast man as a lot of work.
59:35
Corie: Just stick a lot, it's take a lot, it's a little bit.
59:38
Corie: And I would say, especially when you're doing what you were doing there, because I you were talking about listening to the show before.
59:43
Corie: Like you said before people who might know it from the time you reach, you say Colin Lucas.
59:48
Corie: You know, you understand Pelham Gonnard is your favorite interview, said right.
59:52
Corie: I have found that it's a little easier when I look at the audience and I get feedback to get younger people to listen to people like Pelham or Colin or David Rudd.
1:00:00
Corie: Yeah.
1:00:01
Corie: Then it's just a guy like David and them to listen to Saki.
1:00:06
Corie: I just find it's a unique thing about our country, you know.
1:00:08
Corie: I wonder why.
1:00:09
Corie: I wonder why.
1:00:10
SPEAKER_04: I don't know if you realize now, right?
1:00:12
SPEAKER_04: I think the youths want to know about, you know, what was now.
1:00:16
SPEAKER_04: You think you contribute to that?
1:00:19
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, in whatever way possible, I think.
1:00:23
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:00:23
Corie: Whatever way possible.
1:00:24
SPEAKER_04: No, for real.
1:00:26
SPEAKER_04: I mean, sometimes you're doing things, and when you're doing things out of love, like you're just doing it out of love, and you don't know how you're gonna touch this person or inspire this person.
1:00:36
SPEAKER_04: So it's not like I'm going with the intent of I'm going to be the flag bearer.
1:00:41
SPEAKER_04: I just kind of doing what I feel is right.
1:00:44
Corie: Yeah, you have that connection to that with those artists and yesterday.
1:00:47
Corie: Yeah, yeah, it's a funny thing because you you continue to do it and you're put you're putting it out there, you're putting it out there, but your head down, you you you work it.
1:00:53
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, my head down.
1:00:54
SPEAKER_04: I I even with this this called imposter syndrome, like even like people come and say, Well, you're all you to big at it.
1:01:03
SPEAKER_04: Like, no, bro.
1:01:04
SPEAKER_04: Like, I don't really identify with that.
1:01:05
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
1:01:06
SPEAKER_04: Really?
1:01:07
SPEAKER_04: Because like when I go home, I still have to like wash up ways.
1:01:10
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:01:10
SPEAKER_04: I still have to pass a broom and sweep.
1:01:12
SPEAKER_04: And you know what I mean?
1:01:13
Corie: Yeah, you talk to mommy about that, we can't do it.
1:01:15
SPEAKER_04: I mean, yeah, no, it's just it's just, you know what I mean?
1:01:18
Corie: So for me, I don't really live in our world now of like Yeah, yeah.
1:01:23
Corie: And that that connecting the past to the present, we saw it again with what and some of the songs you interfere with, let me put it like that, right?
1:01:31
Corie: It's hard.
1:01:32
Corie: I always remember somebody had done uh I don't call it a cover of a Tamboo song.
1:01:37
Corie: You was talking about Tamboo before.
1:01:39
Corie: And um, if you know Tambuo Road Matches 80, late 80s, yeah.
1:01:44
Corie: It is crazy how we change everything in that in that in that zone.
1:01:47
Corie: Yeah, but the messenger, Lorraine, is not it's not something that people want to see touched, interfered with.
1:01:53
Corie: Like, yeah, yeah.
1:01:54
Corie: You know, the people don't want to hear the word at all in our song.
1:01:57
Corie: It's one of them trouble, trouble songs.
1:01:59
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, the I don't know if that song at the time was like a prophecy or something, but it was crazy how that same year we would have released that song in November, and then by January it had a snowstorm in New York or Lauren.
1:02:13
SPEAKER_03: Seriously, no way, no way, dog, no way, dog.
1:02:17
SPEAKER_04: So they need no way dog, no way dog.
1:02:20
SPEAKER_04: So that song kind of took its own life, boy.
1:02:26
SPEAKER_04: And to be honest, that was a a by-the-way song.
1:02:30
SPEAKER_04: That was uh we were working on DNA, and Kyle Peters was in his studio and he was playing his chords, and I was just like, Lauren Saint, cool out in you.
1:02:41
SPEAKER_04: And he's like, hey, that have a vibe, boy.
1:02:43
SPEAKER_04: All right, now we be this voice note it and come back to this.
1:02:48
SPEAKER_04: And we yeah, we do leave no stone until.
1:02:52
Corie: Yeah, yeah, explain that was one of them, one of them.
1:02:55
Corie: And and you know, funny enough, David Ruddha had a version of that too.
1:02:58
Corie: Very, very, very slow, almost jazzy.
1:03:01
Corie: And again, it's might be the two on the only two versions that people kind of say, well, alright, we we gonna allow this.
1:03:06
Corie: If we go allow this, we're gonna love this.
1:03:08
Corie: So you have that in mind when you're doing songs and their connection, you're worried about how people interpret you doing classics?
1:03:14
Corie: Not really, you know.
1:03:15
Corie: I like how you don't know, you know what?
1:03:17
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, bro.
1:03:18
SPEAKER_04: I think like when I make a music, I am never worried about what people think.
1:03:27
SPEAKER_04: I'm more worried about one, how I feel about it.
1:03:33
SPEAKER_04: Like if I because I think my musical taste, if I like it, because I am a I am what probably one of my biggest critiques, and I using our big word here, ruminate a lot in terms of like like overthink and overanalyze.
1:03:50
SPEAKER_04: So when I when I sure and like, yeah, even if you do like it, I sure you know what I mean?
1:03:59
SPEAKER_04: I cool with that.
1:04:00
Corie: Same way with production, because again, Saki came up, Saki say he catch all the on our live, catch all the vibe, and I think you tell him he had it.
1:04:07
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I actually I think he he has something special, right?
1:04:13
SPEAKER_04: I I can't pinpointed, but he just in his own lean and pocket.
1:04:21
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
1:04:22
SPEAKER_04: I I like him, I like him.
1:04:23
Corie: Hey, every maybe decade is it's just have somebody like that.
1:04:27
Corie: Like I see him in Kaiser Dynasty the other night, so I see him on Judge and Night, I'm waiting to see when the results come out to see who makes Kinner Park.
1:04:33
Corie: Yeah, because the big yard.
1:04:35
Corie: The big yard.
1:04:36
Corie: Because I was glad to see him in that space too.
1:04:38
Corie: You know, I was glad to see young people on the 10th stage.
1:04:41
SPEAKER_04: I did it for two years and then Yeah, well, that's a lot.
1:04:45
SPEAKER_04: You know, no, I don't like it.
1:04:47
SPEAKER_04: I just feel like um to go there, you need to have the song to go there.
1:04:53
SPEAKER_04: And I just feel like over the last two years I didn't have the song.
1:04:56
Corie: Really?
1:04:58
SPEAKER_04: What do you mean?
1:04:59
SPEAKER_04: I wouldn't go there with energy.
1:05:02
SPEAKER_04: I wouldn't go there.
1:05:03
SPEAKER_04: Well, they don't take duos.
1:05:05
SPEAKER_04: So I couldn't go with the calypso with Karin.
1:05:07
SPEAKER_04: Oh, right.
1:05:08
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, Karina.
1:05:09
Corie: So they don't take duos in the tent at all or in the competition?
1:05:12
SPEAKER_04: No, they don't take duos.
1:05:13
SPEAKER_04: In the tent?
1:05:15
Corie: I don't understand the logic there at all.
1:05:17
Corie: Is that a performance?
1:05:19
Corie: No, well, sorry, not the tent, but the big yeah, the competition.
1:05:21
Corie: Well, that makes sense, yeah.
1:05:22
Corie: You can't do the combined, yeah.
1:05:23
SPEAKER_04: That makes sense.
1:05:24
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and it's just a lot.
1:05:28
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, well, I when you're running, when you're running around there, yeah, and for me, I in anything I do in, I do it a hundred percent.
1:05:37
SPEAKER_04: So I don't want to extend myself.
1:05:40
SPEAKER_04: Like, and I always say when I go back to that platform, I can't give it a hundred percent.
1:05:45
Corie: So you will?
1:05:45
Corie: Yeah, for sure.
1:05:46
SPEAKER_04: But you did with DNA, yes?
1:05:48
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:05:49
SPEAKER_04: Because that time there, I was given everything a hundred percent, and I didn't know how much it took.
1:05:56
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
1:05:56
SPEAKER_04: So now I know how much it took.
1:05:58
SPEAKER_04: I know, listen.
1:05:59
SPEAKER_04: Well you
1:06:00
Corie: Could do you went and performed any tents every night on that kind of thing, or not every night, a couple months.
1:06:04
Corie: Most nights, yeah.
1:06:04
Corie: That's the thing.
1:06:05
Corie: You know how to do it.
1:06:05
Corie: You could go the bullpen, you could go and attach to and just go straight into the competition.
1:06:09
Corie: But I mean it's songing like from your last place, then it was like competition anyway.
1:06:12
Corie: From some.
1:06:13
SPEAKER_04: I'm not a big even when I do competitions, like when I, you know, did the mash card.
1:06:21
SPEAKER_04: Like I wasn't really competing.
1:06:23
SPEAKER_04: I was really just representing the song.
1:06:25
SPEAKER_04: I think a lot of people wanted the song in that space.
1:06:28
SPEAKER_04: So we just kind of adapted, added on the different voices and more catering to the people.
1:06:35
SPEAKER_04: The people wanted the day.
1:06:36
Corie: So that was the next one of the complaints and they say, Boy, them fellas and then woke out something with Tasha to go in the final because the song is big and then leave out people who should have been in the final.
1:06:45
Corie: But we don't know you don't pay attention to them.
1:06:48
SPEAKER_04: I do pay attention to them thing.
1:06:51
SPEAKER_04: But it's funny because what I would ask is how was the performance?
1:06:56
SPEAKER_04: So real good performance.
1:06:57
SPEAKER_04: Both in the big yard on the final night.
1:06:59
SPEAKER_04: So what's the experience in that in the in the skinner pack?
1:07:03
SPEAKER_04: Real good boy.
1:07:03
SPEAKER_04: Real good.
1:07:04
SPEAKER_04: I think um I enjoy sometimes performing and not having to go low and have to like engage the soaker.
1:07:15
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so performance is like, you know, you have to go low and argument and get the crowd.
1:07:22
SPEAKER_04: Dong day, sing your song top to bottom.
1:07:25
SPEAKER_04: I kind of like that sometimes.
1:07:27
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it gives you the energy.
1:07:28
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, even for my show, like I started and I didn't really go low for a while.
1:07:32
SPEAKER_04: I don't just sing the song, sing the three verses, you know.
1:07:35
Corie: Yeah, I guess you don't always get opportunities to do that in the normal performance basis.
1:07:38
Corie: Yeah.
1:07:39
Corie: And the tent is like, I always remember, and I was thinking about that when you were in the Marshall Grad too.
1:07:44
Corie: Spectacular Calypso tent was different.
1:07:48
Corie: So I wish kind of Kaiso Dynasty had picked up a little bit of that too, to be honest with you, because the first half was real serious and political commentary and maybe some kicks you would have seen a Watchman or a Rio or whatever they have, right?
1:07:59
Corie: But the second half in um spectacular was tempo, you know.
1:08:03
Corie: And brother, I cannot imagine you being there with them too.
1:08:07
Corie: So when you say in the last few years, I think you'd be closing spectacular back in them times to do destroy it.
1:08:13
SPEAKER_04: But another thing too, I tell myself to when I go back into that space.
1:08:17
SPEAKER_04: I don't want to go with the typical, you know, typical social commentary.
1:08:23
SPEAKER_04: Like, you know, the government, he did.
1:08:26
SPEAKER_04: I feel like, and that's another thing too with me why I do songs like Last Strain and Runaway.
1:08:31
SPEAKER_04: I think like those things to me are calypso.
1:08:33
SPEAKER_04: And they are commentary.
1:08:34
SPEAKER_04: And they are commentary, but now everything has to be so serious all the time.
1:08:39
SPEAKER_04: Oh, true.
1:08:40
SPEAKER_04: Like, like I I I remember like, you know, the Lord Blakeys on them, like they will have like real witty and just fun, you know what I mean?
1:08:48
SPEAKER_04: Having fun.
1:08:49
SPEAKER_04: So for me, I I I I also like the aspect of it.
1:08:51
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and you you do it.
1:08:53
SPEAKER_04: But you need the, don't get me wrong, but you need the political to check.
1:08:58
SPEAKER_04: You know, you think so?
1:08:59
Corie: I think you need it.
1:09:00
Corie: Well, I would say this commentary.
1:09:02
Corie: If you take away the word social or political or comedy comedy, commentary is commentary.
1:09:07
Corie: True.
1:09:07
Corie: And you do it, you're doing it already.
1:09:09
Corie: You explain some of your songs, yeah.
1:09:10
Corie: I didn't even catch some of the things that you was you were saying.
1:09:12
Corie: So you're doing it already.
1:09:13
Corie: Yeah, yeah.
1:09:14
Corie: Yeah, and people, I think the tent might be missing a little bit of that because I saw Muhammad was there.
1:09:19
Corie: Yeah.
1:09:20
Corie: Muhammad does.
1:09:28
SPEAKER_04: No, no, no, but what what myself, Koutine.
1:09:34
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we have like a uh, and we all kind of have this um common vibe of like, yo, that we're gonna push like great music.
1:09:46
SPEAKER_04: You know, great music that could make people feel that type of way.
1:09:49
SPEAKER_04: Now I think every time when we come together, we always talk about it.
1:09:52
Corie: Of course.
1:09:52
Corie: Yeah, and that's something I would like selfishly as a fan, I would like to see that.
1:09:55
Corie: I would like to see because I I feel I'm saddened by the way the Calypso tent went as a child.
1:10:00
Corie: You saw so much.
1:10:01
Corie: It's coming back, it's coming back.
1:10:03
Corie: I think what you're talking about with that cabal, if all they get together and do a second half in a tent.
1:10:10
Corie: Yeah, because I saw I see youths and again.
1:10:13
Corie: I was going back to Saki.
1:10:14
Corie: I was glad to see him there.
1:10:16
Corie: And here now, watching to see the final result.
1:10:19
Corie: Because it had the Calypso tent is a funny place, a different affected different.
1:10:23
Corie: So when Saki's singing, as he would sing, hundred, I want to tell Saki boy, you just sing a little soft and slow down that song, and it will be real hard to beat you because he has a bad, bad song in the tent.
1:10:34
Corie: Yeah, so that's congrats on that.
1:10:35
Corie: I like to see all you go back into them spaces.
1:10:37
Corie: For sure, for sure, for sure.
1:10:39
Corie: So that production when Saki say, Saki says you never know pumpkins are expensive when you come by all the fellas and you do the pumpkin right.
1:10:47
Corie: Yeah, yeah.
1:10:48
SPEAKER_04: Well, for me, I am a youth, yes, but I think with my experience over the years, it kind of puts me in a space where I could also produce and do stuff for other people.
1:11:02
SPEAKER_04: So I you know, at that time I was like, yo, this youth man, real talented.
1:11:05
SPEAKER_04: Come in the studio, like we finish the song, and he sing the song, and I was like, okay, yeah, we could do it.
1:11:12
SPEAKER_04: I kind of show him how to switch the structure of it.
1:11:14
SPEAKER_04: So we would do this here, put this here, and then we will figure out, you know, we tell the story a little better.
1:11:21
SPEAKER_04: And yeah, he come, he do your thing, and pumpkin vine.
1:11:25
Corie: Yeah, boy.
1:11:25
Corie: Well, lose weight, sorry.
1:11:27
Corie: Yeah, lose weight.
1:11:28
Corie: So what we're working with other artists from the production standpoint, the artist coming to you with what they have, it doesn't matter if it's calypsoaker, you it depends.
1:11:35
SPEAKER_04: Sometimes I would send a production and then sometimes they will come with what they have.
1:11:39
SPEAKER_04: And then we build from there.
1:11:40
Corie: Yeah.
1:11:40
Corie: Post DNA, still enjoying it, doing that work for artists and for sure.
1:11:44
SPEAKER_04: For sure.
1:11:44
SPEAKER_04: I mean, I enjoy being in the studio and just making music.
1:11:48
SPEAKER_04: I think that's where I am the happiest.
1:11:49
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:11:50
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, for sure.
1:11:51
SPEAKER_04: You know who was heads in that sprinter?
1:11:53
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's the happiest I am.
1:11:55
SPEAKER_04: Like when you just figure out the hook, or you just figure out our concept, like no better place, bro.
1:12:03
Corie: No better place.
1:12:03
Corie: I don't like the fact that all you just had DNA in May waiting for wheel.
1:12:07
Corie: I don't like I don't like that.
1:12:08
Corie: I don't like that very much.
1:12:09
SPEAKER_04: Bro, the the earlier, so I don't ever release music.
1:12:12
SPEAKER_04: Like it's like how somebody might just catch an idea in September and then oh catch an idea in October and just rush in the studio.
1:12:21
SPEAKER_04: I don't really be on now, boy.
1:12:22
SPEAKER_04: I take my time.
1:12:23
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:12:24
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I I brun as it.
1:12:26
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:12:26
SPEAKER_04: I take my time, bro.
1:12:28
SPEAKER_04: Yes for album.
1:12:29
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:12:30
SPEAKER_04: If I if if I I truly wish uh and pray that so I could get to that space where I think we get in there, where you know it's not uh every year I need a monster hit, you know, uh where artists could take their time and work on a body of work and then come to space.
1:12:48
SPEAKER_04: I hope to see that.
1:12:49
SPEAKER_04: I think it's happening though.
1:12:50
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I hope to see that.
1:12:52
SPEAKER_04: Because we we what we're happening now is that you're seeing there's a mesh of yes, the hit song, yeah, it's almost the hit song, but then you can't deny catalogue.
1:13:00
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
1:13:01
SPEAKER_04: You can't deny catalogue.
1:13:02
Corie: Yeah, I see you performing in a fit.
1:13:04
Corie: Well, central bank fed, actually.
1:13:06
Corie: It turns out a small fit.
1:13:07
Corie: No, it used to be one of the biggest all inclusives at a point in time.
1:13:09
Corie: But I saw you and then and again, you can't deny catalogue.
1:13:13
Corie: Yeah, you can't deny the age of the nine-year-old artists is dying slowly, that's my words, right?
1:13:20
Corie: Oh, yours, right?
1:13:23
Corie: No trouble and working.
1:13:25
Corie: So if you if you're saying that, for instance, you're not you're not directly going to do interpolations of songs when you're coming up with concepts.
1:13:32
Corie: How you come up with concepts?
1:13:33
Corie: Because this kind of value, you don't win everything, let's assume.
1:13:36
Corie: When you're starting your process for next year, where does it start?
1:13:39
Corie: It never ends, to be honest.
1:13:41
SPEAKER_04: You know, so it's just really wear it here, it hit you.
1:13:46
SPEAKER_04: Because sometimes I would go, a lol, a month or nothing.
1:13:51
SPEAKER_04: Try, nothing, nothing, nothing.
1:13:53
SPEAKER_04: All that we try, nothing.
1:13:55
SPEAKER_04: And then boom, in two weeks, you catch like five, six ideas, you know.
1:14:02
SPEAKER_04: But what takes time is getting the idea to a finished product, like you know, bringing in the violins or bringing in a bass guitar, bringing in uh live drums, or knowing, okay, I need to get a pan here, and then you know, for two weeks I like the production and then listening to the on YouTube because I ain't like this.
1:14:26
SPEAKER_04: So last strain was one of those songs that last strain actually the drums was more compass.
1:14:36
SPEAKER_04: Nah, maybe figure this out.
1:14:38
SPEAKER_04: I had to go back and forth, back and forth.
1:14:40
SPEAKER_04: Even the intro, we had to figure out the intro, and you know, so it took a while to get correct.
1:14:45
Corie: Yeah, I can see why Pelom would have been your favourite interview.
1:14:48
Corie: He was talking about a lot of them same things, yeah.
1:14:49
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, like chord changes, and you know, we go we go to the ninths and the sevenths, and sometimes sometimes the basic four chords don't tell the story that you want to tell.
1:15:01
SPEAKER_04: You know, that is just me.
1:15:03
SPEAKER_04: When you heard him making that point, when I saw him say that, I was like, Yeah, maybe I want to something.
1:15:09
Corie: You see why I asked you 57 onto something else?
1:15:11
Corie: Because I think the main point, and I was hoping people got what he was saying.
1:15:16
SPEAKER_04: Well, well, what I think, right?
1:15:21
SPEAKER_04: And it's just what I think.
1:15:22
SPEAKER_04: I think there are different types of artists.
1:15:27
SPEAKER_04: There are artists who and I know artists who we would have worked with in the past, and you know, still have a great relationship and thing, and they would tell you, like, bro, me really playing for a line.
1:15:38
SPEAKER_04: I I would just want to see the fat shake.
1:15:41
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I don't know about it.
1:15:43
SPEAKER_04: For that, one note, the bass going doom, doom, doom, doom, doom work.
1:15:48
SPEAKER_04: Some drums and two punchlines and that works for that.
1:15:52
SPEAKER_04: And then I have artists now who I was something that go last longer, boy.
1:15:56
SPEAKER_04: I was something that not necessarily a jump and wave, but I was something that people could, you know, relate to on an outside the party setting.
1:16:05
SPEAKER_04: You know, and and both are equally correct.
1:16:08
SPEAKER_04: Of course, they're useful.
1:16:09
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:16:09
SPEAKER_04: They're both useful.
1:16:10
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:16:11
SPEAKER_03: Because I go in soaker, I carry Loring, Loring too long.
1:16:17
SPEAKER_03: Lastring, last string too long.
1:16:19
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I mean, they're looking to look at the same again.
1:16:22
SPEAKER_02: Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
1:16:26
Corie: Yeah.
1:16:28
Corie: So everything has its place now.
1:16:29
Corie: You know, so I don't go back to Pelama again because one of the things you were talking about was with working with Super Blue as a producer.
1:16:35
Corie: He says Superblue used to like to create a space in front of the music before you start to sing.
1:16:40
Corie: Deliberate for you too.
1:16:41
Corie: Like that'll build up in DNA or the build up in last train and thing.
1:16:44
Corie: How we do it?
1:16:45
SPEAKER_04: Not necessarily deliberate, you know.
1:16:47
SPEAKER_04: I think um when you're trying to tell a story, you can't just rush into the story.
1:16:52
SPEAKER_04: You know, so I won't say deliberate, but I need to at least set it up.
1:16:59
SPEAKER_04: You know, it's like it's like talking to a girl.
1:17:03
SPEAKER_04: I can't just rush and say, you know, use mine.
1:17:08
SPEAKER_04: No, yeah, hide the day.
1:17:10
SPEAKER_04: I can't remember.
1:17:11
SPEAKER_04: I can't remember.
1:17:12
SPEAKER_04: Can't remember it's like to it.
1:17:14
SPEAKER_04: Come on, do that.
1:17:15
SPEAKER_04: But but even though, but even though I mean you can't just rush into it, you can't have to like set up the scene, you know.
1:17:24
SPEAKER_04: It was a sunny day.
1:17:26
Corie: I was outside, you know, and then you go into it.
1:17:30
Corie: Yeah, and that was the point he was making.
1:17:31
Corie: He said that we sometimes today we use vocals to do everything.
1:17:36
Corie: He said, but he said, when he played it part and sugar, boom boom, he said, look, you remember that.
1:17:39
Corie: He said, but Kitchener never said that.
1:17:41
SPEAKER_04: That's actually my rationale for runaway, actually.
1:17:43
SPEAKER_04: I was like, I need some, and I had as well put the little guitar, little guitar solo at the end of the first chorus.
1:17:51
SPEAKER_04: Because I was like, you know, you just rush, right, didn't it?
1:17:55
SPEAKER_04: And then at that time, too, I know DNA was already DNA.
1:17:58
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so I was like, I want to do what I want to.
1:18:01
SPEAKER_00: I see.
1:18:05
SPEAKER_04: To be honest, I constantly take chances.
1:18:08
SPEAKER_04: Like, even when like some of energy and thing, like, it's not like a typical, you know.
1:18:12
SPEAKER_04: But again, I think once the message is there, and once I could agree with the message and stand on, stand by it and live by it, yeah.
1:18:19
Corie: You give it, yeah, yeah.
1:18:21
Corie: Yeah, well, something we're grateful for because again, the musicality in it is sometimes help to make it more memorable.
1:18:28
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
1:18:28
Corie: I think I saw you.
1:18:29
Corie: Did I see you in Miss Walker video cutting?
1:18:32
Corie: No, boy, I didn't get to make the video shoot.
1:18:34
Corie: Oh, he wasn't there.
1:18:34
Corie: There was some video I was watching the other day, and I didn't realize you could really play guitar.
1:18:38
Corie: See, I see a guitar and I say, but this man playing rail chords or something.
1:18:41
Corie: I don't know if it was one of your your videos.
1:18:43
Corie: Choppy.
1:18:44
Corie: It could be choppy, choppy, yeah.
1:18:47
Corie: Play guitar, yeah.
1:18:47
SPEAKER_04: So on your own tracks, you would play or you um some of them like so like we calyps with Kareem, that'd be me on the guitars.
1:18:55
SPEAKER_04: I played some of the like rhythmic guitars in Lorraine.
1:19:00
SPEAKER_04: But I mean, when you have men like Kyle, why do you know love for Kyle made the work easy?
1:19:07
SPEAKER_00: Kyle, come now.
1:19:09
SPEAKER_04: Kyle, I need some guitars.
1:19:10
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, the most sometimes a boy would do I would do like a little draft of it.
1:19:15
SPEAKER_04: But but sometimes when I go in for like a kind of signature kind of vibe, so I'm gonna do it myself.
1:19:20
Corie: Yeah, yeah.
1:19:21
Corie: Well, something again we're grateful for it.
1:19:23
Corie: Thankfully, when David, when David put on your name and he said today, it feels like if it was about two or three years, it'd feel like a real, real, real time.
1:19:32
Corie: But I appreciate you coming through.
1:19:34
Corie: I feel like I cover my whole list of things I'm missing.
1:19:37
Corie: Oh no, the listener looking good.
1:19:40
Corie: I saw something with the National Philharmonic and last trainway.
1:19:45
Corie: Okay, we can't stop without that, yeah.
1:19:46
Corie: Yeah, how would that come about?
1:19:50
Corie: Crazy.
1:19:51
SPEAKER_04: So we would have seen the last the DNA.
1:19:56
SPEAKER_04: They did uh uh cover to the DNA, right?
1:20:00
SPEAKER_04: And at that time, there were not like much shows and stuff, so he was like, yo, how how do we go about this last train thing?
1:20:11
SPEAKER_04: It was you, plex who came up with an idea, boy.
1:20:14
SPEAKER_04: It was you or Kyle?
1:20:18
SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah, so yeah, Kyle manager management, my manager, Kyle.
1:20:22
SPEAKER_04: He was like, bro, we think about you and the National Philharmonic thing in Austrian, boy.
1:20:32
SPEAKER_04: That's a great idea.
1:20:33
SPEAKER_04: How we can make this happen?
1:20:35
SPEAKER_04: And boy, we said to call a wrong, and and they were like, Yeah, they want board.
1:20:40
SPEAKER_04: So we went, they rehearsed the song, whatever, and we went, and when I heard it, I was like, yeah.
1:20:45
SPEAKER_04: So we had to now rent out Napa, get porter coolers, mommy cook food.
1:20:50
SPEAKER_04: Nice, like you know what I mean?
1:20:51
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, all hands on deck now.
1:20:52
SPEAKER_04: Because at that time, like Carnival was very unsure, things was, you know, so yeah.
1:20:58
Corie: Yeah, enjoy it or something.
1:20:59
SPEAKER_04: Sure, that was and that was amazing, mate.
1:21:02
SPEAKER_04: That was amazing.
1:21:03
SPEAKER_04: I think um seeing the music adapted to like a whole different space, yeah, yeah.
1:21:12
Corie: Yeah, and that orchestral feel to it a short sound coming from all different directions, yeah.
1:21:17
Corie: Totally different.
1:21:18
SPEAKER_01: That wouldn't be beautiful coming if that was in your in your experience, massive experience.
1:21:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, bro.
1:21:23
SPEAKER_01: That's what we had.
1:21:25
SPEAKER_01: So that's what we wanted.
1:21:27
SPEAKER_04: Wow, that's what we want, bro.
1:21:29
SPEAKER_04: I I had that plan to be the opening for the show, you know.
1:21:34
SPEAKER_04: But so that's why I had to now, due to budgetary constraints, I had to now just take the cutter, which is Wasi and three others.
1:21:42
SPEAKER_04: Right, yes.
1:21:43
SPEAKER_04: And had them kind of do a smaller, more content.
1:21:46
SPEAKER_04: But I wanted that for the intro.
1:21:47
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I guess.
1:21:47
SPEAKER_04: Mash up the place.
1:21:49
SPEAKER_04: Mash up the place, bro.
1:21:50
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, band for mass the experience, temperature.
1:21:54
SPEAKER_04: That was temperature, temperature the band.
1:21:56
SPEAKER_01: Wow, yeah, point.
1:21:58
SPEAKER_04: Big up temperature the band.
1:21:59
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, those um I must I must give them a special, special shout outs because those guys we rehearse a lot.
1:22:07
SPEAKER_04: Like sometimes the month and a half going into mass, sometimes twice for the week.
1:22:14
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
1:22:15
SPEAKER_04: It's really gaining music tight, making sure everything proper now.
1:22:19
SPEAKER_04: And I must most of the times, you know, the week before we rush in.
1:22:24
SPEAKER_04: You know, so again, I must give thanks to them guys for making the time and just yeah, the whole cast too, because I mean the production that goes into it is some.
1:22:33
Corie: I have a suspicion that you will get that done.
1:22:36
Corie: The orchestral feel for it.
1:22:38
Corie: You know, I figure you're gonna do it at some point.
1:22:40
SPEAKER_04: Now, bro, if we had gotten that this year, you go get it, you will get it.
1:22:44
SPEAKER_04: But then well, I can't do it now because you know they're watching and they go see, well, you're going back, be what's going back?
1:22:53
Corie: You remember?
1:22:54
Corie: But you never know.
1:22:55
Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:22:56
Corie: It's two years and then I'm seeing up orchestra.
1:22:59
Corie: Pan, when pan sides play a song, how much how important is that?
1:23:02
SPEAKER_04: Very bras all up and dung last night in the pan yards.
1:23:06
SPEAKER_04: So me I make culture a really important thing.
1:23:09
SPEAKER_04: So the first pan side, Tropical Angel Apps, right?
1:23:14
SPEAKER_04: Um they with the first pan side to play my song on Pan and they chose last strain this year, and then Starlif chose last strain.
1:23:23
SPEAKER_04: So I went night before by Tropical Angel Apps, right?
1:23:28
SPEAKER_04: For the judging.
1:23:30
SPEAKER_04: They like family, right?
1:23:32
SPEAKER_04: And then I went Starliffe last night, and then straight from Starlif to Desper's to um they play in weekalypso as well.
1:23:40
SPEAKER_04: So for me, I always make time.
1:23:43
SPEAKER_04: Always make time.
1:23:43
Corie: When you say the first one, the first one this year?
1:23:45
Corie: No, so that'll be Hall of Fame, boy.
1:23:47
Corie: The first one was Hall of Fame, yeah.
1:23:51
Corie: But Renegades did DNA, yes?
1:23:53
SPEAKER_04: Renegades the DNA, yeah.
1:23:55
Corie: Duvan was here talking about it.
1:23:56
Corie: Yeah, Duvan was here.
1:23:57
Corie: That's amazing, that's amazing too.
1:23:58
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's amazing too.
1:24:00
SPEAKER_04: And you make time, you go on.
1:24:01
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, of course.
1:24:02
SPEAKER_04: So I was there even not even judging night, I was there some nights before and just seen his process where he's a magician.
1:24:11
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, a magician, and then I always incorporate him in like videos and stuff using um uh rhythm with coutine.
1:24:18
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:24:19
SPEAKER_04: Genius like yourself.
1:24:20
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
1:24:20
Corie: But like we say, yeah, you don't see here already.
1:24:22
Corie: You don't see already.
1:24:23
Corie: Last, last oh no, sorry, David.
1:24:26
SPEAKER_02: If you want the time stamp it, I just sent you the results from from what this is what to put it for semis.
1:24:34
Corie: Sacky in?
1:24:35
SPEAKER_02: No, we're talking about or pan.
1:24:37
Corie: Pan.
1:24:38
Corie: I don't agree what, but well, tell me now we're we're we're Tropical Inside for Showman.
1:24:44
Corie: Tropical inside for Showman.
1:24:45
Corie: Yeah, they'll they'll be there.
1:24:46
Corie: They will be there.
1:24:47
Corie: So don't wave flag on his stage and thing.
1:24:49
Corie: Red flag.
1:24:51
SPEAKER_04: Up a one-to-weave flag for everybody, Starlif, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:24:57
SPEAKER_04: Tropical Angel Labs and Despers.
1:24:59
SPEAKER_04: Well, congrats, congrats in advance.
1:25:01
SPEAKER_04: A big season for you, hopefully, you know.
1:25:03
Corie: Yeah, of course.
1:25:06
Corie: Yeah, I tell you, why not?
1:25:07
SPEAKER_04: We're here, yeah, yeah.
1:25:08
Corie: They're running from that competition.
1:25:10
Corie: Well, it's not even me up to me, it's up to them.
1:25:14
Corie: Yeah, I mean, so and you're backing all as a looter.
1:25:16
Corie: I'm backing all my children.
1:25:18
Corie: Yeah, all my children.
1:25:21
Corie: All they say, you know, two different songs in the panorama.
1:25:23
Corie: Yeah, that's a blessing.
1:25:24
Corie: That's a blessing.
1:25:24
Corie: Yeah, of course, of course.
1:25:25
Corie: Congrats.
1:25:26
Corie: My last thing, and we want to know, you know, what's the next song you're planning to do interpolation for 2027?
1:25:31
Corie: We are last train, we are Lorraine, we are madness, David Raddo.
1:25:34
Corie: What are we looking at?
1:25:34
Corie: What we could look forward to.
1:25:37
SPEAKER_04: I don't know yet, you know.
1:25:39
SPEAKER_04: I really don't know yet.
1:25:40
SPEAKER_04: I really don't know yet.
1:25:41
SPEAKER_04: Uh may not do it actually.
1:25:43
SPEAKER_04: Oh, you might go in a different direction.
1:25:45
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:25:45
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:25:46
SPEAKER_04: I'm a person.
1:25:47
SPEAKER_04: Whenever you feel like you figure me out.
1:25:48
SPEAKER_04: I don't like that.
1:25:50
SPEAKER_04: I switch the formula on you.
1:25:52
SPEAKER_04: Just like when people feel like, you know, all you're doing is groovy groovy.
1:25:55
SPEAKER_04: Come and get a power.
1:25:57
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:25:57
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:25:58
Corie: Any road matrice.
1:26:00
Corie: Just say yes.
1:26:01
Corie: By this time, let's come out to the register, you know, brother.
1:26:05
Corie: You can say anything you want.
1:26:09
SPEAKER_04: Let thy will be done.
1:26:10
Corie: Let thy will be done.
1:26:10
Corie: Let thy will be done.
1:26:11
SPEAKER_04: Let thy will be done.
1:26:14
Corie: But that's all going on.
1:26:15
Corie: Yeah, I thought it's thy will be done, and I thought they didn't need church, and I just thought we're not offered at all.
1:26:20
Corie: But brother, thanks a million.
1:26:22
Corie: There's a bucket list episode for me.
1:26:24
Corie: I appreciate it.
1:26:25
SPEAKER_04: Okay, tell my mother now, mommy.
1:26:26
SPEAKER_04: I went on Cory Check.
1:26:28
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:26:29
SPEAKER_04: I got true.
1:26:32
Corie: Thanks a million, but it's a good thing.