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INTERVIEW: Vince Staples On New Show, Quinta Brunson Advice, Repping Long Beach, The Black Experience + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Wake that answer up in the morning. Breakfast Club, yep's
• 0:04
  Speaker 1: the most dangerous morning show to Breakfast Club, Charlamagne and God.
• 0:07
  Speaker 2: Just hilarious.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell envy is at. But
• 0:10
  Speaker 1: we got a special guest. Man. He's got a new
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  Speaker 1: show coming out on Netflix called The Vince Staples Show.
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  Speaker 1: Vince Staples is hell.
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing. I'm going good.
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  Speaker 1: How y'all doing healthy? Man?
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  Speaker 2: Hey man, I'm trying to stay that way, but I'm
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  Speaker 2: getting old.
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  Speaker 1: So, you know, with vegan or something.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, no, sound it like.
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  Speaker 1: You used to look bad or something.
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  Speaker 2: It was a little different. It was a little different,
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  Speaker 2: a little grinder.
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  Speaker 1: I guess, how are you though?
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  Speaker 2: I'm good, bro, I'm grateful, I'm blessed all the good ship.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm good.
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  Speaker 1: You know you're not. You're tired as hell. It's early
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  Speaker 1: in the morning.
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  Speaker 2: I'm tired, so I'll be up early though. So it's
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  Speaker 2: really not that crazy just to run around, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the press circuit type situation or so.
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  Speaker 1: What did the Vince Staple Show about? Man?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, pretty much, as you know, day to day
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  Speaker 2: life and our human experience. I feel like a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the times, it's a lot of nuance in a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people's lives that we might kind of ignore.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we all had those days that we tell people,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you wouln't believe shit that happened even today.
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  Speaker 2: So just trying to find ways to utilize that and
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  Speaker 2: that format, so to say, and kind of attack deeper
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  Speaker 2: issues as far as you know, classicism, socialism, violence, our
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  Speaker 2: relationships with those things, our relationships with fame, money, things
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  Speaker 2: of that nature, and kind of taking a light of
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  Speaker 2: approach to kind of the stuff that we deal with
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  Speaker 2: day to day that people wouldn't believe because especially when
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  Speaker 2: you scape the black community, right, you can tell people
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  Speaker 2: the stuff that you see that you might deem is normal,
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  Speaker 2: and when you get these other rooms, they don't see
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  Speaker 2: it as normal necessarily. So just trying to find a
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  Speaker 2: way to shed light on it while keeping it lighthearted.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, after that question, because we were watching it and
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  Speaker 1: that's what just what is this show about?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was saying, like what because you know, it's
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  Speaker 3: not like your typical show.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. It's, like like.
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  Speaker 3: You said, day to day, and which can one day
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  Speaker 3: it could be crazy and then the next day it
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  Speaker 3: can be just chill. Like the first episode with like
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  Speaker 3: stood out to me, I didn't expect for Homi to die,
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  Speaker 3: Like I don't know, I'm kind of oh. The second
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  Speaker 3: one but like that was like I go from laughing
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  Speaker 3: something like damn, that's that's just how that gon be.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's that's life, like you got to think about.
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  Speaker 2: So that episode was at leince we're talking about that, right.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we've all had different levels of financial gain,
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  Speaker 2: and when you have these levels of financial gain, you're
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  Speaker 2: getting these other rooms where you realize you don't really
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  Speaker 2: got what you think that you have. And a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the times us kind of having the door closed
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  Speaker 2: in our face. You know, black people are entertaining. It's
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  Speaker 2: people that come from a different world. We find solace
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  Speaker 2: in the things that we understand, no matter where they
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  Speaker 2: come from. So, you know, your friends robbing the bank,
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  Speaker 2: which is a negative situation, but you feel comfortable to
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  Speaker 2: be in that environment. That could be alcoholism, that can
• 2:36
  Speaker 2: be drugs, that can be streach, that can be the violence,
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  Speaker 2: anything that we can kind of connect to when another
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  Speaker 2: door is closed. So that kind of represents the bigger
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  Speaker 2: statement of that. And also niggas just die sometimes, Yeah, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so you know, you might you might, you might be
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  Speaker 2: this close to opportunity, you might be this close to
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  Speaker 2: a situation which will be kind of receiving that loan
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  Speaker 2: and starting that business. And it's some traumatic happens, and
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  Speaker 2: a response to it is how our responses is when
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  Speaker 2: anybody get killed by the police. You know, you put
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  Speaker 2: your hands up and stand still. So it's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of deeper meaning and a lot of the things we
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  Speaker 2: just wanted to show nuanced with.
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  Speaker 1: It even before that though, because I won't give too
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  Speaker 1: much away, which I normally do when I want to. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: but but you when you had the opportunity to leave,
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  Speaker 1: you realize, even though you was innocent and didn't do nothing,
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  Speaker 1: stepping outside that door with the police might have led
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  Speaker 1: to you getting killed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean exactly. And it's like a lot of
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  Speaker 2: the stuff that brings us trauma and a lot of
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  Speaker 2: the stuff that kind of forces uncomfortable conversations for us,
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  Speaker 2: other people honestly don't even know about. I didn't have
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  Speaker 2: my managers for a long time, and he would I
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  Speaker 2: would just tell him certain stuff like I remember, uh,
• 3:40
  Speaker 2: we was on we had a call and I was like,
• 3:43
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, man, like hold on, I gotta go. Like
• 3:45
  Speaker 2: the baby shower got raided and he was like what
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  Speaker 2: And then coming back, he was like, what you muther?
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  Speaker 2: I was at the homisome baby shower and it got raided,
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  Speaker 2: Like dude, they kicked the door and he was like
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  Speaker 2: they not supposed to do shit like that, or like
• 3:57
  Speaker 2: we got a meet and then oh man, you gotta
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  Speaker 2: build me out real quick. Like I didn't really look
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  Speaker 2: at it like it was that crazy until I got
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  Speaker 2: older and you realize your circumstances are within the bubble.
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  Speaker 2: So I really kind of wanted to think about the
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  Speaker 2: thought process of that bubble and how when you're in it,
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  Speaker 2: you don't notice what's going on until you leave. So
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  Speaker 2: you got to subtle nuance in every episode where it's
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  Speaker 2: situations that we deal with specifically in the black community,
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  Speaker 2: pacifically kind of an urban background. But when you escape that,
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  Speaker 2: that shit makes zero sense. Bro, And now that we
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  Speaker 2: kind of further moved and were able to put it
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  Speaker 2: on screen, it does feel awkward. It feels uncomfortable a
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  Speaker 2: little bit because we don't expect to see these things
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  Speaker 2: in these environments, and.
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  Speaker 1: It's a fair concept just because something is the norm
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  Speaker 1: doesn't mean it's normal, not exactly. And I think a
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  Speaker 1: lot of our stuff is our norm, but it ain't normal.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I took a lot of approach trum mom,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Corn Brothers type films, David Lanch, things that
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  Speaker 2: the algh history, things that are meant to make you
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  Speaker 2: feel uncomfortable, and trying to use it within the guys
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  Speaker 2: of comedy. But that was the main, I guess image
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  Speaker 2: with what I was trying to convey was contract that's
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  Speaker 2: within a composition, because as black people we have contrasts,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we have to be all these different things
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  Speaker 2: that once our relationship with money, family, fame, is fortune,
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  Speaker 2: all that shit is like, it's not really prevalent in
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  Speaker 2: other people's communities. So I wanted to make sure I
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  Speaker 2: got a chance to kind of show a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of that on camera.
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  Speaker 1: What I love about the second episode too, is you
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  Speaker 1: show how most brothers in the hood, even though they
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  Speaker 1: may choose a life of crime, they really are intelligent
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  Speaker 1: for sure, and they're just doing things to survive. And
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  Speaker 1: if it wasn't just for a couple of different circumstances
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  Speaker 1: or opportunities between you and them, you could have been
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  Speaker 1: them or they could have been.
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  Speaker 2: You exactly, and I think that's that's understated. Like, also,
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  Speaker 2: the relationship with fame within that episode is important because
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  Speaker 2: you have, you know, whatever level of success you have,
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  Speaker 2: especially work in the musity, you understand the fit on
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  Speaker 2: nature of the business and how it's not necessarily what
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  Speaker 2: it may seem. But to the world around you, you
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  Speaker 2: got everything. You got, every opportunity, you got the other
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  Speaker 2: thelimited amount of resource you have. Everything and that pride
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  Speaker 2: that they carry don't really translate into the rest of
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  Speaker 2: the world because you know, you can go in certain
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  Speaker 2: areas where Charlamagne and or might be, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: biggest thing that we got in our communities, but once
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  Speaker 2: you step out and you try to kind of trail
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  Speaker 2: blaze and pave away, they don't give a fuck who
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  Speaker 2: we are. And dealing with that is like it's more
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  Speaker 2: common in the people that covet us within.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, look what you know, I'm a comedian, so the
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  Speaker 3: funniest But to me, what's Homie in jail singing?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: That is so funny?
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  Speaker 3: I wanted to know, though, did you write that or
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  Speaker 3: did you let him?
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  Speaker 2: I wrote it, I wrote it, but it's hilarious. His
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  Speaker 2: timing is amazing, like his his his context to kind
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  Speaker 2: of know where the joke is is amazing. And as
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  Speaker 2: you know, on comedy, like with film, and I feel
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  Speaker 2: like within stand ups specifically, it's so much more freedom.
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  Speaker 2: It's so much more I guess execution is a lot
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  Speaker 2: more important because it ain't it ain't no cutting and
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  Speaker 2: you gotta yeah exactly. So within I think film and television,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people might not know where the joke
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  Speaker 2: is at, and it's harder to tell the story or
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  Speaker 2: convey kind of the mostly trying to convey versus being
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  Speaker 2: in a stand up. So it was hard at certain
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  Speaker 2: moments to try to figure out how to edit this correctly,
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  Speaker 2: how to make sure that it didn't fall flat, but
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  Speaker 2: also how to make sure it didn't look like he
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  Speaker 2: was kind of cooling. Yeah, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: It was. It was perfect.
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  Speaker 2: It was funny.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah the song, and I'm glad dude just wanted to
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  Speaker 1: square up because nowadays you got to have a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of that. It seemed like in every program it
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  Speaker 1: ain't gonna pitch boosy off, it ain't gonna pitch boosy off.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, busy can watch this man with the whole family.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna be good. All the kids can watch bulls.
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  Speaker 2: Watch this with the kids. Man, it's not it's not
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: If you was locked, U, would you really act like
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  Speaker 1: that with other inmates?
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  Speaker 2: Bro? So that that episode who we had I mean
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  Speaker 2: with we had a mean.
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  Speaker 1: We had a mean about that episode.
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  Speaker 2: No, we had a meeting and we had a meaning.
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  Speaker 2: I had a mishap traffic ticket. So I had a
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  Speaker 2: traffic ticket in jail. Yeah, and it was this dude.
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  Speaker 2: It was an important mean so I can't remember who was.
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  Speaker 2: It was somebody important and the dude next to me
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  Speaker 2: he just kept singing, bro like he wouldn't stop. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you're in the tank sound like all or whatever. I
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  Speaker 2: feel he could get a two MANU sholdever because I
• 8:20
  Speaker 2: like the nigga ain't gonna beil me out. They take
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  Speaker 2: too long, so we's sleep. I'm like, Bro, I'm like, hey, bro,
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  Speaker 2: you gotta get him. Not like that. But I was like, hey, bro,
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  Speaker 2: like you get the top bunk Like he's like, oh no,
• 8:32
  Speaker 2: I'm not tripping, Bro, Like, ain't nothing like you know,
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  Speaker 2: he was cool something already cool. I'm thinking, you know,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes niggas be trying to be tough and stuff. So
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  Speaker 2: I'm sleep bro. Bro just start humming and like Mike,
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  Speaker 2: he got no idea who I am. It ain't like
• 8:45
  Speaker 2: because I ain't like super popping like that. So he
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  Speaker 2: just like he just this. He would have done it
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  Speaker 2: some matter who was in the cell, which make it worse.
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  Speaker 2: And then Bro just like his arm like fall under
• 8:53
  Speaker 2: the thing. He just starts snapping like while he's singing.
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  Speaker 2: It's like two o'clock in the morning. He would not stop. Broke,
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  Speaker 2: and then Bro leaned out. I was so man. He
• 9:00
  Speaker 2: just leaned over the bunk. He was like, that's all right.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, Bro, that's good, that's good.
• 9:05
  Speaker 1: You remember what it was?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell you later.
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  Speaker 1: It was crazy.
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  Speaker 2: It was crazy, and I'm just like, Bro, like it's
• 9:14
  Speaker 2: two o'clock in the morning. I had a show. I
• 9:16
  Speaker 2: had a lot of looser, so I was like, I
• 9:18
  Speaker 2: got all this stuff and my mom's trying to build
• 9:19
  Speaker 2: like a lot of clues. I got to had a
• 9:20
  Speaker 2: meeting that I missed. I'm a little crazy that I
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  Speaker 2: miss I don't even think it came to fruition because
• 9:24
  Speaker 2: of that, But that's kind of when I was still
• 9:26
  Speaker 2: doing a lot at the same time, and the people
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  Speaker 2: that you like, I don't know how he had explained
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  Speaker 2: them or whatever. I don't I know he didn't tell
• 9:34
  Speaker 2: them what really happened, but he can't know what he's doing.
• 9:39
  Speaker 2: But just like, oh man, what happened? Like yeah, bro,
• 9:42
  Speaker 2: like ship my bad, I missed a meeting, like I
• 9:43
  Speaker 2: had had an engagement. Oh man, what happened? Telling the
• 9:46
  Speaker 2: hommies I was supposed to be in the studio, I
• 9:48
  Speaker 2: was like, yeah, bro, I got I got locked up.
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  Speaker 2: And then this dude kept singing to me about the casino.
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  Speaker 2: He was like what I'm like, He's like, you're lying.
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  Speaker 2: That's what my engineer was like, you lying. He's like brother,
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  Speaker 2: He's like, brother, tell me what happened, Like I promise you.
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  Speaker 2: My sister was at working subway, I had to go
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  Speaker 2: pick up with my mam bad to go give my car.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, I'm not supposed to be still living like
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  Speaker 2: this at that moment, but it was a very important
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  Speaker 2: turning point in my life, and it's kind of a
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  Speaker 2: life lesson. So I try to kind of recreate some
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  Speaker 2: of these life lessons that were honestly like a little
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  Speaker 2: traumatic and be able to kind of poke fun at
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  Speaker 2: yourself based on the decisions you make sure to.
• 10:22
  Speaker 3: Say, So, your mom is played by Vaness. About Callowie,
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  Speaker 3: how is it working with her?
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  Speaker 2: I love her? She's great.
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  Speaker 1: Man.
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  Speaker 2: She's when you usually work with somebody of that magnitude,
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  Speaker 2: you don't expect any extras. You get what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: But she auditioned for the role because she wanted to,
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  Speaker 2: which was crazy, Like I've seen that. I was like,
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: what the fuck? Yeah, So her audition for the role
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  Speaker 2: was like just unheard of for a show of my caliber,
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  Speaker 2: somebody with my reputation as far as never doing this before.
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  Speaker 2: So I was extremely grateful of that. I was grateful
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  Speaker 2: that she worked with us on every fastit as far
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  Speaker 2: as you know, hair and makeup, all those things is
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  Speaker 2: very very intricate, and she kind of led us in
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  Speaker 2: a way that she wanted to be able to do
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  Speaker 2: how she wanted to be able to do it. The
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  Speaker 2: research that she applied, sitting with me asking questions about,
• 11:13
  Speaker 2: you know, my mother's disposition and her thought process and
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: how I will want to play what's important to me.
• 11:18
  Speaker 2: I don't want to do this. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: this is true. If this is true as far like
• 11:22
  Speaker 2: to the character itself, and just over and over and
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: over again, just giving me insight on how this thing worked.
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  Speaker 2: Use She's been doing it for extremely long time. So
• 11:31
  Speaker 2: I was extremely grateful for her for the opportunity to
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: have her in my show. And just even to this day,
• 11:36
  Speaker 2: like she always hit me up, give me a vice, shars,
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  Speaker 2: make sure I know what's going on. I really really
• 11:41
  Speaker 2: appreciate that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a mother figure for real.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and especially like she don't got to do none
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  Speaker 2: of that. She can go to work and go home,
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: and she made sure to kind of make sure I
• 11:51
  Speaker 2: know what I was doing, especially being the first time
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: I had never acted, never written, never produced, never done
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  Speaker 2: nothing before. So just having her kind of teach me
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  Speaker 2: how you should be treated and what you should demand.
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: Like her and Kenya were extremely important and kind of
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: giving the information. And Kenya is different because it's her
• 12:07
  Speaker 2: it's his job. Excuse me, it's not her job do
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  Speaker 2: that at all. So I really really appreciate it. And
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  Speaker 2: just seeing how good she is, like of course you
• 12:13
  Speaker 2: know she's good, but on set, like her her being
• 12:17
  Speaker 2: able to like change I guess her direction and also
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: kind of helping direct our camera department, helping her because
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: we had a really really really small team, so kind
• 12:25
  Speaker 2: of her feeling and the void when she didn't have to, Like,
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  Speaker 2: I really appreciate it.
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: How close is she to your mom in real life?
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  Speaker 2: Ah, my mom, My mom a little bit more turned
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  Speaker 2: up on camera. Yeah, but mom she cool though, My
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: mom cool? But my mom is my MoMA interested.
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  Speaker 1: Man, does your mom really like jail?
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  Speaker 2: No, but my mom has said that before. MoMA ain't
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  Speaker 2: nothing wrong with it. That's my mama said. My mama's
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  Speaker 2: one of the people right where you have your circumstances.
• 12:52
  Speaker 2: Like we talk about our triggers, it's in our kind
• 12:54
  Speaker 2: of our environment and how it changes us. So my
• 12:57
  Speaker 2: mom is the type of person that, no matter what,
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: everybody that came with us stay right until we get
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: to the house. Right. So my mom has an understanding
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  Speaker 2: point of view on everything, but she also holds you
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  Speaker 2: accountable for the things that you do. We was kids,
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  Speaker 2: She's like, no, I ain't picking all up second time.
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  Speaker 2: Like you get one free one, you get a free one.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna get you after that. It's on you. This happens,
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  Speaker 2: my mom, My mom done walk in the room before
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  Speaker 2: all my homies in living room and then somebody's telling
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  Speaker 2: jokbox start laughing. My mama just say he gonna tell dang,
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: he told too. It was a little crazy that a liar.
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  Speaker 1: He was told.
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  Speaker 2: Man. But my mom, her experience is kind of mirror ours.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it's weird growing up with a mother
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  Speaker 2: who understands like kind of the nuance or the situation
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  Speaker 2: when you're younger, but as you get older, you go
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  Speaker 2: to appreciate it. And I think it's a lot of
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: the times we have a point of view. I guess
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: the women in these communities, especially when thinking about film
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: and just art that takes place in southern California, Like
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: it's always the mom crying over the dead body and no, baby,
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: don't do it. That's not how any of my homies
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: mothers are. Because you got to think about the black community.
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: I was born in nine ninety three, so just kind
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: of the state that California was in at that point
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: in time to state that the streets was in the
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: states for our community, drugs, alcoholism, I guess, homelessness, lack
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: of jobs, lack of resources.
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: They couldn't be soft exactly.
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think kind of having a mother figure
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: in the show that held the characters responsible was extremely
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: important because my mom she not giving you no passes,
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: but she not gonna, you know, shy away from loving you.
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: But you don't get those passes.
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: What do you think, niggas hate more reading our accountability?
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: Reading? Reading for sure? For sure think reading.
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: You think that you think we hold ourselves accountable enough.
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: Ourselves are each other, both.
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: Yourself as an individual and each other as a community.
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you think about as far as the
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: things we prioritize, those can be better. But I think
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: accountability is important. But we like to point finger and
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of that has to do with,
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: you know, trauma, lack of opportunity, lack of people hearing
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: you out, like see it's not me, it's here, it's
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: not me as y'all. It's the thing we have. I
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: feel like we just kind of got to get our
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: our viewpoints right because we see a lot of the
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: wrong things and I guess the right situation because we
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: have a lot to look forward to, we got a
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: lot to live up to, and we're not holding ourselves
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: accountable based on our own metrics, our own communities, the
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: things that we have. You know, we're looking at what
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: everybody else got it, where everybody else is, and then
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: we judging ourselves based on that. But I think the
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: reading aspect of it is extremely important. But like, what
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: is there to read? If you do in the hood
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: who don't know much, or a ladyhood that don't know much,
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: they're gonna tell you, oh, you gotta read are the
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: war forty Laws of Power?
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: Great read?
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: I read that's some books. I'm into the fall our books.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: But it's like, all right, I get I get the
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: mental warfare aspect of it, but who you fighting? So
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: you're gonna read for their laws of power or the
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: word to go using on anohing needs. I'm not into
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: that and especially comes from that like like I'm I'm
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: I personally think like it's more like, say, if you
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: watch films all day, right, if you read the method,
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: if you pick up some scene books, if you read
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: anything about how these things are created on writing by
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: Stephen King, like, get into that because these are your passions,
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: these are your pastimes. Get into something that is, you know,
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: download the vocabulary app, get your worder today, you know
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: things of that nature. But I feel like, are the
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: spaces we look for information are limited based on who
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: we are and the nuance we have as a people.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: And I feel like we have a lot of self
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: esteem issues when it comes to like reading. I remember
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: when I was a kid, I used to hate read
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: and I never got bad grades or nothing, but I
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: stuttered real bad. I used to like kind of talk
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: relatively slow. Was letting me talking too fast trying to
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: not stutter? And also vision who got time for a
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: sweet service? Who got Eige insurance? You know what I mean?
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: So a lot of those things kind of hinder us
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: from even wanting to read in the first place. So
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: now as we get older and we're assessing information, now
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: what do we know? Like what are we looking to look?
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: So I feel like we will hold each other accountable.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: We can get our parodies right now, our understanding who
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: we are right, and that comes from our field of
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: reading aspect that you talked about it when you say reading,
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking more broad and sits like garnering knowledge and
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: trying to learn.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: That's why the nation is almost so important Because first
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: book my dad gave me it was autobiograph and Malcolm X.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Then that led me to read the Message to the
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Black Man. Then I read from Niggas to God's by
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: a Kill. Those books right there instill all of that
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: stuff we're talking about right now. It instills accountability, It
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: gives you a sense of responsibility, and it just broadens
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: your mind to something that can better you.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I feel like one and first the other,
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: so we can just kind of access more information. That
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: really helped because I, like I said, you know, when
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: I came up, and I didn't grow up listening to
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: music and going I'm gonna be real bro. Like I
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: was ignorant to a point that I didn't even understand
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: the concept of like a concert or like a show.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: I had never, once in my life ever knew when
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: the concert was, where it was, how they worked. I
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: didn't understand records deals. I'd never really been in know
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: record stores like that. Like, I didn't really understand what
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: music was at the research and to find it out.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: And that's a very humbling situation. I make it feel vulnerable.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: So when it comes to film, television, learn about that.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: When it comes to just life learning in general, it's
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: really hard for us to kind of gain information without
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: being without feeling like we're out of place, so we
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: can kind of fix that and can fix a lot
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: of our problems.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: We don't want to feel dumb.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't want to feel dumb. But you gotta
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: figure out what feeds you. Basically, like what he said,
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: if you're doing film, you watch film and it whatever
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: caters to you or makes you feel good. But if
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: you don't even know where to start with that, I
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: could see how that could be a challenge.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and now you think about, like from your manage point,
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: stand up comedians, every stand up comedian, I speak to
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: it as comedian general that does stand up. They talk
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: about barbing or you know, figuring out a set and
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: how hard it is at the beginning, and how you
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: have to make mistakes. Within that community, it's embraced, Like
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: you hear people talk about it. You hear people talk
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: about their woes and help each other out. I feel
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: like within these other communities, we kind of got to
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: apply that same sort of grace to each other. Give
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: people the opportunity to fall on the ass and learn
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: a little bit.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: And it's okay if you do that. I mean, I
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: never did that, but I know a lot of people.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: They know what I don't know. I mean no, never.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: In the most humble way, I'm gonna say that I
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: never have. But it's not to be like, oh that
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: makes me so much better than everybody else, because I haven't.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: It's just how I grew up a gripping Baltimore City.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: So I mean, this is not about me, real quick, Like,
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: I just grew up in Baltimore City and with all
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: male cousins around my brother's friends.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: I ain't really have a lot of homegirls.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: So then I grew up.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Hearing them crack on me and crack on my brother
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: and crack on friends. So I was real you know,
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: just real quick with impriv anyway, you know what I mean.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Say you have the information based on your experiences.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and that's what fed me being funny and
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: being social and being able to just just be tough,
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: have tough skin, you know, so.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: And having a social media Pollum, so by the time
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: you got on stage, people kind of already knew you anyway.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but this was before social media.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, growing up.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean, Just I just always been funny.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: I'd be funny at a funeral, you know what I'm saying, Like,
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: just just because that's just what it is. So I
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: definitely to your point. I understand that, like whatever feeds
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: you or whatever. I wasn't big on reading it, but
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: I'm still not. I hate when we bring people up
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: back of the who that somebody wrote a book. Okay,
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean and what it is. I
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: gotta see it.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Like I wrote, I've read this book.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Yo, this is the hardest thing, harder thing.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: That's so we got vits.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Can't you write the book? I gotta watch the show. Yeah,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: the show and listens and I read you used to
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: send scripts and run show ideas by Quinna Brunt.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: I said, I said, uh, I sent one of the
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: scripts and she was like, yeah, I'm gonna lie be nervous,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: you know, needs be sending the scripts. But she kind
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: of because, like I said, I've never done it before,
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: so you know, you kind of get to be around
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: these people. I was lucky enough to be a part
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: of her show, and it we kind of forged your relationship.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: We had done the show previously with those animations, so
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: we didn't really communicate that much. But she been a
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: really really big help. Her talent and her professionalism and
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: just the way that she runs that operation. You know,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: for that big company, it's understated, like she does an
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: amazing job. I don't know if I ran across somebody
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: who does it as good as she does in the
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: manner that she does it. So I was just really
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: grateful that she was able to even look at it
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: and also let you know that, like you know what
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: you're doing, because especially not having information, not having access
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: a certain thing. You know, these people that done went
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: to college for this stuff, like I value their opinion,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: and yeah, it was a good opportunity to be able
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: to share with her.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, why is it only five episodes?
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Oh? Man, that's what they're doing right now. These these
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: show orders, they're not really going past eight. It's a
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: lot of things are like six eight pretty much just streaming,
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, not being able to separate.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: The episode was on a weekly kind of basis. Is
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: kind of change a lot of things. People digesting and
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: change a lot of things. The budgets changed after the striking,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: but previous to that, the budgets got a little bit
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: weird during COVID. So I feel like, you know, they
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: always gonna throw stuff at us as far as just
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: creative people. So working through it, but.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: That's still in a way that's still good though, because
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: if it's it's too long, it's like all people exactly probably,
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: but it's like now we want more.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And also being the first time creative, like it's
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff on it, there was like, no,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: we can't do this, we can't do that, we can't
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: do that. So just working through that system, you learn
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: the system the first time, and I'm happy I was
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: able to learn it. And I guess it's short setting
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: because I didn't have to try to figure out how
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: to do ten or twelve episodes while having a kind
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: of not fight budget struggle through the pitfall exactly. Yeah,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: And you gotta every episode, you gotta cut. You gotta
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: cut stuff, especially shooting on location. You cutting pages, you
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: cutting you cutting time, You miss some shots, some come
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: up like to start raining, uh clouds, Like it's little
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: stuff that you don't even think it's gonna affect your day,
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: and they really do.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you some questions. They random was They're
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: gonna be random to the people who haven't seen the
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: show yet, but they're not gonna be random to you.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: I got you.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: What did the music do to Michael Jackson.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Man, look at it everything, bro take his childhood ship.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: That case is music. Music can be tumultuous, bro like,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: and I think that a lot of the time were
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: so busy focusing on the music and what it gives
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: to us, we don't ever look at the like, look
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: at the bro look at bro. Like when I was
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: a kid and I seen Michael Jackson, I didn't know
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: of the Michael Jackson. I'm only thirty, so my whole
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: life I was like this nigga look crazy. My whole life.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: It's like I never looked at Michael Jackson, was like, oh, man,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: that's a cool fly nigga, Michael. And then you get
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: older and then you see I remember my first time
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: seeing it was like, uh, the movie that the made
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: for TV movie they had with you after rating and
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: shit and uh American Jackson, American fan.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Oh the one Jason Weaver played. Wait, I was gonna say,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: flex Washington, No, that was.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Not that. Yeah, Jason, I was like this this ain't cool. Nigga,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, like this what happened? Is this? That's what happened? Bro?
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Y'all like, y'all let this happen. Like everybody like, oh,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: that's Mike, Like, now, this nigga like terrible.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: You know the interesting thing about Mike, You know how
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: they say the whole you know, Bill Cobby was trying
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: to buy a NBC thing. Mike really owned half of
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: the music industry is published. Yeah, no, black man supposed
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: to have that kind of power in the music injury.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: But nobody ever said it was a conspiracy to bring
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Michael Jackson that.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Look, man, That's all I'm saying. I'm saying the nigga
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: looked like he was into some freaky shit. Man, we
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: talked about that.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Oh man, Mike was innocent.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Man, I'm not saying he wasn't. I'm not saying he was.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: I'm saying that if he had anything going on, I
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be surprised. All I'm saying is a nigga life
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: looked a little rough.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: He got investigated by the FBI was seventeen years.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: I'm not even talking about that. I'm talking about that
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: wig bro. You talking about these kids. I'm saying, regardless,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: see how you see how you see how we trying
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: kind of trying to sidetrack it with the accomplishment instead
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: of being like they fuck this nigga life up. What
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: I'm saying is, no matter what happened, look at that nigga.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Well, then the music got the money in the fame.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: He was the most famous man on earth, probably the
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: most famous person ever that walked the faith of the show.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: And look at the nigga. Damn, it's not true, trauma. No,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: it's not true. Man, that weave with that nose. They
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: fucked Mike up. Man, they need to we need to say,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: we need a sorry Mike Day, like My Bad Michael.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: That shit fucked up.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: I liked him, My Bad MJ. We're gonna do that
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: on his birthday.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: You started doing this show on YouTube right about five
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: years ago. Man.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: So originally, when I first started on music, I never
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: been like the biggest artist. So when started new music,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: people will kind of gravitate toward certain things. We like music, videos,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: we like this, we like that. And I never been
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: like ignorant of the world around you me. You know
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: what I mean. I know what I'm good at, I
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: know what I'm not good at. So I always thought, okay,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: what's the limits that we can push probably visual medium,
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: same thing with interviews and stuff of that nature. So
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: we had a bunch of meanings had to be like seven, eight,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: nine years ago and going everybody, we want to do
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: a show, and it was nah, oh maybe later were
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: working on this, you got some music for that. It
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: wasn't panning out, so I just kind of did more
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: work out of a bunch of voiceover stuff. I did
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: some smaller roles on other films, Dope being one of
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: the first, and then we did the YouTube thing for
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: a couple episodes and that's kind of how we got
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: their chops up and kind of learned how to do it.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: And then I think a year or two after that
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: is when we got the opportunity to kind of go
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: through Netflix. We'll go with Kenya. We had Kenya and
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: a couple other people. Kenya, to me, it was the
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: most honest and he was the most understanding that I
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: was trying to make something and it wasn't I need
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: you to make this for me type situation. And so
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: we got the situation with him and Netflix and covid hit.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: So we had to sit that out and then when
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: covid happened to back up, thankfully, now we're here.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: How did it go? How did it feel taken it
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: from YouTube to TV?
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: What changed? About that format as opposed to the format
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: you use for television.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Everything bad that the YouTube stuff was all in prov
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: It was just a set up and I just did
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: I just improved and like had you know, good people
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: that have been a lot of stuff. Frim Givvens, who
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: also was in is in an episode of this, was
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: also in that series. But it was just simple. We
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: got one set up, we do one things. Of course,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: playing with the idea theatrics, so we have angers on
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: every episode. But with the YouTube series, just like, okay,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: how do we create something that feels like Scott pil
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: conversetore or how we recreate something that feels like you know,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: old kung fu movie type moment and kind of building
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: around that one moment for a scene versus having an
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: episode of scenes that also has act Greggs. It also
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: has transition, also has some sort of narrative engine that
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: can drive through an episode. So you gotta basically blow
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: out the fucking four to five minute piece, make it
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: a forty minute piece for that to be cut to
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: twenty minutes. So it's just really learning the format was
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: the hardest part for me. Crazy and also having a
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: lot of hands in the pot like this ain't gonna work,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: this single work. You can't do this. Okay, Now you
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: can do this because something just came out that makes
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: this okay. Now you know what I mean. So just
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: dealing with a lot of the politics and a lot
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: of the red tape is the most difficult part, especially
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: used to doing shit by yourself, because the music you
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: can do whatever fuck you want, right and with that
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: it's like, nah, there's certain certain things that have to
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: be done.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: You keep saying you wasn't that known as a rapper.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Why you're saying keep on saying that now you like
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: you like top five rapper from Long Beach, which means
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: something bruh.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I get what you're saying. But what I'm
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: saying is as far as like a day to day
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: basis right, and like the way you can move through
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: this business. If you don't got the bottom line to
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: support any of these endeavors you're trying to do, it
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: don't matter how creative it is. So I got I
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: do well, I got multiply them songs, I got go songs.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: I got certain things that certain people never get. But
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: it ain't Drake so the door No. But I'm saying,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: the doors that might open for Drake, the doors of
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: open for the people, aren't necessarily open for me. So
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: I gotta work half white. No, I get just me.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: But but but it's benefits of doing all them things.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: You pull out the meat, but he wouldn't have to
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: pull out his meat, clown, you know.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: What I mean.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm saying it's certain things that just wasn't
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: for me, so based on where I was at and
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: what I wanted to create, Like, it's certain things, all right,
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: So like come on, bring you know me? You don't
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: know me, You're like all right, So everybody, No, I
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: can lean way more into like to tell shit, I
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: can lean way more into like the negative ship. I
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: personally don't believe in that based on that that the
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: ramifications that had on my life and the people around me,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: But that would make my music make more sense. So
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: if I make this kind of music and I lean
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: into these elements of music, and it's seeing a certain way,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: the videos look a certain way, the friend group look
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: a certain way. To eventually go to look a certain way.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Now it's okay, we understand it as an artist, and
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: it's certain things I just didn't do or didn't relate
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: to it just didn't work for me as an artist.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: So that kind of dictated where I'm at. No, I'm
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: not saying it to diminists that I've done the music,
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: because I'm extremely grateful for it, But I'm just saying
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: I'm realistic about what it is. If people are saying, hey, bro,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: we like your interviews, are you funny? We like your videos,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna be like I'm I'm making no more
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: videos because y'all not paying a signish of the thing
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: I want you to pay attention to. You got to
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: be aware of what people like from you and take
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: it from there. That's really where my standpoint is. I
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: don't got I got songs that I've been on the radio,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: and I've got one or two songs that have done
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: very well on the radio. Pibly released sixty songs. But
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: every time I might do an interview, every time I
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: might come up here, people is in the comments having
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: more engagement than they would even as far as how
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: the album go. So taking that kind of I guess
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: information and trying to see how you gonna suspect this
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: shit out because all right, I'm thirty right now, Bro,
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: who can do this when they sixty who can do
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: this when they forty forty five? And I take care
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: of my family and things of that nature life. I
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: keep it pretty simple. I don't really got aspirations to
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: be the most you know, I'm not looking for a
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: billion dollars bro, That's just not how I am. So
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: I enjoy the privilege of creativity and being able to
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: do things that I never thought I would be able
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: to do as a child. So I always took the
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: way that people view my music and the way that
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: people digest anything I did as a positive no matter
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: what it is. If people say they don't like something
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: I do, that's still positive because they're mostly invested in
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: a finit And that just kind of led me down
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: this path just being aware of who you are and
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: how the world feel about you.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Our hip hop artists is just limited to music now.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: So nowadays, when I see a hip hop artist, I'm
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: not thinking this person is just going to be a
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: rapple only because of everything that we've seen from the
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: jay Z's and Donald Glovers, all these people that have
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: done so many other different things. Yeah, I mean to
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: put JD and Donald Glove in the same.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: I feel, and I agree because I felt that way
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: my whole life. I've been lucky enough to grow when
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: I grew up, But when I was a kid, Tonlok
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: was on TV. Ice Cube was already ice Cube. As
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: far as film television, Queen of Tifa, Missy Ellie had
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: to Show, Eve had a show, Will Smith was Will Smith.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: So I think that it's been really really good groundwork
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: laid just for black people in general, but specifically for
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: hip hop artists in the past twenty to thirty years.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: I can just it makes it It's limitless. Honestly, the
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: things that we get to especially if we trust each
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: other and utilize each other these our infrastructure and kind
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: of support each other, would be good.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're doing that now in your own lead
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: thirty Yeah, I feel right. Oh, but like you, I mean,
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: you know from your past experiences what you said. You're like, Yo,
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: what I say?
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: You said, you're watching the show you're comedian? Tell him?
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: What what? Yo? What did you say? What I said?
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: He look like what I said? What who? He said?
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: He looked like Tammy Campbell? Yeah, I got No, you
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: don't look like exactly Cambell.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: No, I said, you look like the dad from sister sisters.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Ray yet Ray.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: But then a little boy too, like you look older,
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: but you look younger.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Little boy what was his name? Uh? I done got
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: the dad. I ain't got I ain't got the I
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: got the boy before. I right, man, shout out the right.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: I don't know who like young you look like, but
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying, look young and older.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I got man going on. I've seen this nigga,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Professor Ogilvy in the in the airport yesday. Yeah, he's
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: still getting red.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: He had the whole.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: He had the whole. It could have been downtown of
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: late ship. He got the whole evin Tion set up.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: He's in there by hisself for like a He had
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: a scarf, phone and a sweater and it was like
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: eighty five degrees. You know, he did his ship. Man.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: I've seen Mace. I've seen Mace on the airplane the
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: other day with a scarf and a button up with
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: like like two orders of roscos.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so like nah man, nah, I just seen it.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: I just I just seen his nigga. Don't even know ma,
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: he's no lame, but I just seen this nigga and
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: he was like in front of the plane. He came
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: on late and all that, this nigga Mace man keeping
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: it black.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: So slow.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I fucked with Mace. He walked in. It's just
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: good to see no entertainers, you know, still thriving, doing good.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: He sat next to the white man. The white man
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: try to say some funny ship to him, like that
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: smells good. He was like, yeah it is, you bitch
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: ass nigga, you know what I mean. I appreciated that, man.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: So I feel like I feel like it's been good.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: It's been good. Kind of steps taken to kind of
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: make it possible for people like me.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Is it challenging t to take your natural humor and
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: wit and put it into a scripted, fictional format.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Nah, bro, because I don't even be joke like that. Bro,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Like I'll be I'll be chilling, you know, niggas.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: You know I can tell you he's so serious. I'm like,
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: why you're gonna bring up what I said?
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Even the way walked in here? Like what's up? Bro?
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: I'm like, Nah, don't tell them nothing.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Not saying.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: People.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: I don't be tripping. Fuck Uh. The writing is the
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: easy part, bro, Like that that's not I think that's
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: probably the part I gravitated to the most. And I
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: think a thing about making the show, especially when you
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: have some sort of notoriety, is that the perception can
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: be off right. People was thinking of it's Vince Stables show.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: So like when you're kind of doing the scripts, it's like,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: I'm not necessarily the main character in any of these episodes.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: The environment is the main character, but it's the show
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: because like it's my perspective when hobby of the world
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: and how I feel black people interact with each other.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: It's not really ever about me in the show at all.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: And I think that's why the writing is really important
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: because when you think about the Bank episode, right, the
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Bank episode to me is tackling a lot of things like,
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: all right, you just seen today JP Morgan. I've seen
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: a clip of the JP Morgan do apologizing for being
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: institutional slavery, but that's part of the episode that we have,
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So it's like being able
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: to tackle those things are important because I be in
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: place and I'd be like, y'all just gonna let these
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: white folks like like do this ship in our face,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: like and we all love him so much and not
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: just like she don't know white people, like I know,
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: I got like I got like, I got like one
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: white friend, like probably wanted a half type ship, so
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: it's like one and a half. Yeah yeah, well he
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: like shix far six eight you know what I mean,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: I got it. I probably say three. I got another
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: six foot white boy that he my engineer, so he cound,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: I guess, but shout out tired that what's up?
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Bro? But uh yeah, I one, would you now what
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: you No?
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Wait, I'm not his friend, but no, I don't know
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: she white. But my thinking I'm just talking about like
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: and I'm talking about I'm talking about I'm talking about
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: like day to day life stuff. But it's like we
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: we bro. The writing of it is important because it's
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: so much ship that I think kind of goes unsaid.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: So I like translating into writing it is easier because
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: if I just start saying some of the should I
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: be feeling, then I'm gonna look crazy.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: No, trust me, you got some of that in here,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Like when the dude walks away from the family and
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: he's like, why are we black?
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: But all right, so that's a true story. I got
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: an uncle name went for shot, I'll go in with
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: that nigga call man, and he got drunk whe and
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: he was asking that question. My mom was like, shut
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: the fuck up. But I felt bro because I'm like,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: what does that even mean? Like if we really like
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: get in deep.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: I don't think you're black if you never asked that question,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: not saying that you don't want to be black when
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: you think about all the things black people have had
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: to deal with in this country?
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Why are we black?
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: But why are we going through this? That's what I
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: think he was trying to say, bro.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because was my family is helography, so we had
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: like a family type thing and it's like, you know
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: sometimes black people like get fake CHURCHI yeah, so my family,
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: everybody in my family had a fake like come to
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Jesus moment and it always get way worse when it
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: was done. So this was the end of somebody like say,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: of your moment. So my uncle Wifford niggas argue, I
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: just got a question. He'said, I just don't understand just
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: why is we black? And everybody was like, nigga, shut
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: the fuck up, like you drunk, But his feelings was
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: really hurt because, like you niggas arguing in my house.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: I don't understand what's going on. It's like if you
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: just say that, if I just walked up here and
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: said that, I'm a little crazy on the internet. So
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: being able to write it and give it context and
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: show the things that happened kind of make it a
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: little bit easier.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: But he was drunk.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: He was thinking he was your uncle probably been through
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: so much and then seeing so much, and it's.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Like, man, why we gotta And I be feeling bad
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: for people from that generation. That's my grandy sister has.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: My grandy sister just died. My grannyme and my grandsister
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: just died. They was getting old or whatnot. So I'm
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: we at the funeral and I'm like, what's up. I
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: gonna going for you good. He's like, yeah, you know,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Vergie dead, so you know I'm gonna just be at
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: the house, like come on down. It's like, damn, nigga,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Like you don't think that sounds crazy? He's like, what
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: you mean? I'm like, your whole life has just been
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: sorrow Like niggas talking like a sharecroppery from Arkansas, nigga
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: live in Colming. Like it's like he still see horses
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: every day, he probably don't see no translation. Yeah, So
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: the stuff that we deal with as people, it is
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: real interesting, man, and you just gotta kind of tread
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: on it lightly just to be I don't even trade
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: lightly because when you we making stuff us, we understand it.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: But you want to be I guess sensitive to the
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: stuff that we deal with every day, and I make
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: it seem like you poking fun at ourselves because what
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: we don't want to do is we don't want to
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: kind of go to these people's platforms and poke fund
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: at ourselves and kind of be slapstickish almost, you know
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying, because with my thing like, oh man,
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: it's just dry, this is that hour. But it worked
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: for Wilfred, it worked for Lewis your work for Curve
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: to work for all these other people. So I can
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: do a show like this, Well, we can't start the
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: show like this if the perspective ship is gonna be all.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: But if we utilize this lens and then we do
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: a slow panel, then we can still showcase the environment
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: while showing emotion of the characters and we start talking
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: like that, then they gotta just let you do what
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: you want to do, which while the information is important
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: and riding is important, just making sure that you are
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: able to articulate to someone who don't understand because they
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: looking at it, it's math because with them, they got
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: the world. So they don't got to worry about the
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: stuff that they say or the stuff that they do
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: because and I'm not saying this in a the meaning way,
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: but just like all right, ostensibly just the same stuff
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: that we kind of champion Jim carry for, we ship
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: on Tyler Perry for. But it's based on the way
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: that the circumstances in the community, and you know how
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: people view these things, you call them if he was black,
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So it's like you gotta
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: be mindful of the fact that people do feel that
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: way when you create these things.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: And they have mass representation exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: why are we black ship man?
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Because we're lucky? You know what I'm saying. Look at it,
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? I like it. I wouldn't
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: want to be the mother thing, you know what, the
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: mother thing?
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that. Man says being black is dangerous
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: but it's cool.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, where your seatbelt? Man? You be at I love
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: it right, what's.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: More important to you properly representing Vince Staples in this
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: show or properly representing Long Beach.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: I would say probably represent Long Beach to community in general,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: because like I'm I'm mean, you feel me like, don't.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: You don't really know how the world look at you
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: in vide you, But I feel like when I was
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: younger and I was making music and even just kind
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: of getting into the space, and I used to not
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: want my homies to come to like videos. I used
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: to want my homies and not because I didn't want
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: nobody treating them like they weren't adequate. Like I remember
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: I shot a video. I shot a video on the
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: hood and we was doing like it's a mural on
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: the on the side of a store, on side of
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: a market that's on sixty four, and my homies was
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: driving by, and then like a couple people drive by
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: the honey coming, Oh, I know you're shooting a video, niggas, ain't.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: I was rapping like that at the time. Then all
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: of a sudden, it was like fifty people across the
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: street just like hanging cause like my homies is cool,
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: and I was just happy that they would treat it well.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: But I was so nervous just for somebody to just
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: say something disrespectful or be demeaning, or just treat us
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: like our experiences don't matter, because it's like we human,
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: we all got interest, we all got we all got
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: things that we love, we all got things that we
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: want to say and share with the world. And a
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: lot of the times, if you not someone that they
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: deem is an acceptable version of a negro, you don't
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: get the opportunity to be showcased. And I got homies
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: that's like like like the bank robber, like the prison
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: to like underwater welder, to you know, union craftsmen, pipeline
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: is real. And I got homies who done sat down
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: talking fifteen twenty years as building factories and they have
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: pride in that and they feel like they're not greedy
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: and they feel like they want to help other people.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: So putting that in appropriate context was important to me
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: because I can have a homie that can sit down
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: and talk to you about anything, but then by yeah,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: out of there fifteen is for murder? Are there fifteen
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: for robbing the bank? Then everything that y'all just talked
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: about go out of the go out the windows. You
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: don't understand that we don't get the opportunity to change
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: our lives. You don't get the opportunity to become better people.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: So I don't like seeing that stuff. And it's not
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: that we put it in our art or we kind
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: of promoted because I don't want it to come across
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: like I'm saying that we do it to ourselves. I'm
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: saying the way the world views us is not necessarily fair.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: So I kind of just wanted to showcase context that.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what about Long Beach Mixed Snoop, the most marketable
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: family friendly rapper ever, he a whole crip doing Corona commercials.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: I would probably say diversity. It's an extremely diverse place.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: You know, the population a long which is actually surprising
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: to me even when we started. One of my homies
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: is actually the mayor now shoutout rerections and he doing
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: a lot of good things for the city, trying to
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: kind of uplift the north side that hasn't really got
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: that much attention, but he kind of gave us some numbers.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: He's like, you know, you think this. He's like, we
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: was talking about the area and he's trying to develop.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: But I was like, yeah, like it's it's cool right there,
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: but just make sure y'all know they don't displace nobody.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: He was like it's impossible. I was like, now, you
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: sound like one of them. And he was like, with
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: eighty percent of the people that live in on the
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: North have two parent households, seventy percent make over double
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: the double the whatever salary was like, its like one
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars most people on their homes. Most people this,
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: most people have that even though black people are only
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: like twenty thirty thousand of damn near a couple hundred thousand,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: I means that we're doing pretty relatively well in the city.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: So I think growing up in a place like that,
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: growing up in a place where you can see the
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: highs and lows of everyone, where it's white people, black people,
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: of Southeast Asian people, Hispanic people, it makes you kind
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: of well around it because we all live on top
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: of each other. Bro. And also with Snoop music, like
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: from maybe from my vantage point, because I know how
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: it is his music was it was burnt out a
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: little bit, but the hits, the things that the world
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: knows Snoop for, It's it's fun loving like Jenn and Juice,
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: you know, Dre d It's not like just like I'm
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: a right around And of course music wasn't like that
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: at that time.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: It was great record.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: You don't think like listening to that core progression dred a. Yeah, man,
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: it's really not that getting raped. Oh what's mad?
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: I mean if you go back and listen to the song,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: it was actually assaulting the men as vengeance.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Yes, well I'm not talking about I'm talking I'm not
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: talking about I'm talking about Jules Snoop Doggy Dog. Yeah,
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Dre was gap teeth, Okay.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: The video people getting bent over, Yeah, that was a lot.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: That was a lot. But in his defense, that was
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: Dre song and them niggas from content and them niggas
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: is crazy over there my mom and from the Yeah,
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: get what I'm saying.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: It's a lot, but nothing but they were fun. The
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: videos is dancing and.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: All that, and I think that's why people digested Snoop
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: differently regardless of his back like Nigga, I don't have
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: to burn with the hockey jersey and ship like it
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: just it just looked and felt different.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Have you ever really tried to get a loan from
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: a bank, Yeah.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Mortgages and what have you?
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Did it end up like that?
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Nah, I got lucky. I got lucky, But I got
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: a homie who has no criminal record, even New Jersey,
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: no criminal record, no nothing, trying to open up alone,
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: to open up a second locase of already successful business.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: And they're like, I don't know, you don't have this,
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: you don't have that, you don't have that. But I
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: have had meetings. This wasn't in the bank setting where
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: they was like, yeah, we just not having a few,
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: and they're like, you need this, you need that, you
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: need that. I mean some of that was kind of
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: the process of what this show was like, kind of
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: taking those meanings and realizing the way that people view
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: entertainers and I guess the fickle nature of this business
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: and how you know it's unforgiven and they're not wrong,
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: but it's a hard thing to swallow as far as
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: being an artist and hearing that in the financial realm,
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: the thing that you've probably dreamed of all your life
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: doing ain't even really the thing. Yeah, and especially for them,
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: so it's like that was a hard thing to kind
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: of grasp. I just kind of wanted to show it
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: in the show.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Were gonna get out of here minue because you know,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: we just start to get quiet like this. That means
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: you're ready to.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: Go first of all. But why you get off her
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: head and why I don't understand.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: I don't know been up here in two weeks.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: I want to go.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: I want to leave right.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: I want to put into you need a vacation.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: I do thank you to leave them. How do you
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: know when you're pushing boundaries for the sake of shock
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: value versus pushing boundaries to provoke like honest thought and discussion.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: For me personal bro, Like I'm never really trying to
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: do too much, but I'm kind of always doing too much.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: So I would get a call from him or King King.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: They'd be like, Nigga, like what's going on, bro, And
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: I'll be like, no, I was trying to oj ship
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: and ship away on that. I was trying to ship
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: because I feel like it's it's just like a sad story,
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: like when we think about how it ended up. Of
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: course he he wiled out or whatever. Yeah, and like
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: his mind is gone obviously, Like when you look at
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: the nigga, talgets something wrong with.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: Him, but he be saying to normal on cam and
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: make sure to me, but.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Bro listen to the speed in which he speaks, the
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: way his eyes look. People's always look dilated. Yeah, that's
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: what I'm That's what I'm saying. I'm not here, That's
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I'm like, but you think about his
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: background and like really look into his background as far
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: as like his father and his upbringing where he's from. Like,
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: it's a sad story. But when you the man and
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: you got that football, everything matters and you can do
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: whatever you want.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, nobody pays attention to exactly exactly.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: So they had to make some calls like you can't.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: I had some shit in there that was probably a
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: little bit too far, but they was like, man, yeah,
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: you can't do this, you can't do that. So if
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: I get some call call from Kenya or him are
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: like eight o'clock in the morning, seven o'clock in the morning,
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: they just had a meeting and I was doing too much.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Those calls are pissed me off, though, because how do
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: we know I can't do it? If the networks that
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: I can't do no, let's not let us stop.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: Well, no, the thing is because if they wouldn't, if
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: they didn't fill hm a little bit. They wouldn't call
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: got you got you got? Okay, that's what I'm saying.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: They call me the net because they probably got a
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: call every day. That ain't my problem, but when they
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: called it like, hey, this might be a little too
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: much so and I think it's off perception that most
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: for you, I say, ninety seven ninety eight percent of
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: the time, but sometime I think it's the perception of
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: things like it's never like a you trip and it's
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: I get what you how to do. It's not gonna
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: work that way, which is important to me because I
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: want things to translate correctly.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: Random question from the show, would you really want a
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: digital consciousness?
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Hell? Nah, I do that, bro. I don't even want
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: no smartphone. Bro, I get it. I'm cold man. And
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: they whooped us with the cars because now you know
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: what I mean. You got all the all the connectivity
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: type situations. But I'm over it.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Bro.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Every time somebody face timed me, I get hot. Yeah,
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: I don't want to look at you. Don't just throw
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: your face like in my life irritate me. I'm I'm cool.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: So you really you don't really be on social media
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: that much? You got a flip phone.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: I used to when I first got a dial. I
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: look crazy in the meanings though, I look crazy and
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: in me knowing nobody gonna give me no deal life
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: to step it up, go to the Apple store. But yeah,
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: I was, I was. I was slumming it for a minute.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: They really thought he was older than you. Put it
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: on the flip phone.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: And I had and I had no cut cut and
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: like my shit little lopsided, So like I was there
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: with the other mafro with the cut, like, what's up
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: you doing?
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: A crooked afro with a flip phone and the mustache.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: He had a he had coming, like nigga start wearing
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: basketball shirts and hitties and ship to these means. I'm like,
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: I was at the house like it was grimy.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Have you really never fell in love with hip hop?
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: What I meant by that was like, what's that moment?
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Like if when do you fall in love with your mama?
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: You feel me? When do you fall in love with
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: your father? Like people be I wasn't trying to be
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: fucked up, but when people not black, they got different experiences.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Nigga weird? And when do you discover hip hop? If
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: you were born in nineteen ninety three in the ghetto.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: When do you walk into a place and they're like, hey, nigga,
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: this is hip hop that shit don't fucking like, what
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: the fuck do we be talking about my nigga like that?
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: That's to ask me when I fell in love with
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: like char Cooterie or like some stupid white people shit
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: like hip hop is a part of I'm black. It's
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: just there as it's been there, Like, I don't know,
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: Like that's a that's crazy easy to think about. Bro.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: It's like a niggas when they met Jesus, like, nigga,
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: what I'm black? Should we just do it?
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: This is my last question, Jesse, do anything? Okay? Then
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: my last question. Me and Glasses of Alone was having
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: a conversation right and Glasses was saying, how if you're
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: not from like like hip hop in order to be
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: hip hop has to be from the hood and have
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: a street aesthetic and be on I always say you
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: wanted to be on some gangster shit. He says, No,
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: that's not what he's saying to me. You hip hop.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: Kendrick is hip hop, Cole is hip hop. Y'all don't
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: have to do no criminal shit to be considered hip hop?
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: Do you think you have to do because you said
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: that earlier, you talk about could show my my environment, right,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: I can create better music.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: Then Glasses be saying half of what he's trying to say,
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: that's my dog, So I know he be bushing. And
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: as you ask, do you I feel like the important
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: sentence is for it to be accepted fully because the
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: way that we viewed certain things, that's a very big
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: part of hip hop. That's a very big part of
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: black hole, which're a very big part of being a
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: black male. To be honest, that's a big part of
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: manhod in the general, especially for a black man. So
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: if you're making hip hop and you're saying you come
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: from all these things, but it feels different. It feels
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: like it's not how they view us, because let's let's
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: be real, bro, we thirteen forty percent is this fucking
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: population We got to sell things to people that's not us.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: So for it to translate, oh, I know what that is.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, sports, god, jerseys, bro just
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: is what it is like. So I feel like for
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: it to fully translate and kind of rease certain heights
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: based on how people perceive it most of the time.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: It does have to be that, but that don't make
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: it right, damn.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: So you think you got to have the street elements
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: and the hood elements.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: I think for their understanding and digestion of it. But
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: what is the street element of it? And what is
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: the hood element? It struggle, It's poverty, it's lack of resources,
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: it's lack of family, it's lack of all these things.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: And that's just the Black experience based on how the
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: world sees it. So it's not just violence. Violence is
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: just the biggest part of it as far as how
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: we speak about it, read like think about I know
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: they exist, but it's way more mother records than it
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: is father records. You get what I'm saying. It's just
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: how our community looks and how kind of we view it,
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So I feel like like
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: I get older and I'm like I feel bad, like
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: kind of for my father, Like the relationship that we
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: have home. It's like, all right, you got incarceration issue,
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: you got substance issues, Like it ain't like you. It's
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: just like, yeah, I ain't coming home, won't fuck with
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: these kids. But based on the perception of how we
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: were taught to view ourselves from the world around us.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: Everybody said, we ain't got no dady, instead of understanding
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: the circumstances, you know what I mean. So I feel
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: like it's kind of that with hip hop, is just
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: understanding the circumstances a little bit better. But whenever they
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: had these conversations about hip hop, especially in California, I
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: feel like we overlook a lot of successful things just
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: because they not viewed as gangster shit like we Ain't.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: Ain't nobody talking about the far Side or souls of
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: menishit for all these other hybrid successful things. Don't nobody
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: even bring up mc hammer, you know, ain't nobody bringing
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: up too Short like that? And they have street elements
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: to music that was from the hood, but it wasn't
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: viewed like at RBO posse Like it's a lot of stuff.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: So I feel like it just depends on what you
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: look at.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: Why are we black Man? Vince Table Show is out
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• 53:10
  Speaker 2: I appreciate you.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Appreciate you brother. It's the Breakfast Club.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: I appreciate you.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: Wake that hands up in the morning. The Breakfast Club