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Where's the True Feminism? | HBR Talk 318 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Our title today is HBr Talk three eighteen, Where's the True Feminism? And
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  I started my spiel that I usually run, you know, through and give
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  everybody an explanation of how to support us and where to support us. So
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  I have muted and unmuted, and it looks like you're getting my sound now.
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  But let me know because if if you didn't get my sound and you're
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  getting it now, that fixed the problem. But if you're not getting it
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  now, I should be hearing from people that, you know, there's silence
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  again, like there goes the sound, you know, and stuff like that.
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  That way I will know if you can hear me talking about Okay,
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  they hear two people now, good, good, good, all right.
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  So well, Lauren was responding to, is me pointing out that things have
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  changed for me. And I've always said the reason that I get paid to
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  do this because people are challenging, you know, why should you get paid
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  to do this? Why should you get to pay to do this? Well,
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  in the past, it's been so that I could use some conveniences to
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  give myself the time to do this job in regard to my personal life,
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  so that I don't have to do things that you normally do in your personal
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  life that take time, because I usually dedicate between between ten and thirty hours
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  a week to this, depending on research. Lately it's been a lot more
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  because of what I've been researching, and you know, it's mostly just trying
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  to remember what I learned when I was I did my further reading outside of
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  history class in school because they really didn't teach much about this and I wanted
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  to know, and then trying to track down things on the Internet that contain
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  that information because a lot of you know, when I was in school,
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  it was all in the library. You didn't go There was no Google.
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  When I was in school, the Internet was you directly dial up somebody else's
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  computer and you converse back and forth on bulletin boards or Usenet and stuff like
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  that. There was no there was no World Wide Web. Because I'm old,
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  right, so there's that. But in a Biden administration, in the
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  Biden economy, it's changed. You know, I get paid to do this,
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  because if I didn't get paid to do this, I would have to
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  be working a lot of overtime that would pretty much take up all of the
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  time that I have to do this. So literally, I'm getting paid to
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  do a job that I'm doing as a second job instead of doing more work
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  at the job I'm at, or picking up a different second job. And
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  and if if that wasn't the case, I would be uh, I would
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  not be able to do HBr talk. There would be somebody else maybe doing
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  it, but it wouldn't be me. So there you go, just just
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  in front the record. So I talked about feed the Badger dot com because
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  you know, we always start with that, but I want to point out
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  we've seen individual after individual bumped from Patreon, kicked off of Patreon for politically
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  incorrect speech. And yes, uh, stinky, I am a gen xer
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  fifty three right now, so like boomers are in their seventies and eighties,
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  so that's there. But fifty three is pretty old compared to anybody that existed
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  during the time that you know, or that was born during the time that
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  the Internet already existed. Right it's their Their whole lives are ahead of them.
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  About half my life is still left hopefully, if I'm lucky, maybe
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  maybe a third. But uh, in any case, Yeah, I was
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  pointing out the importance of feed the Badger dot com because, as I always
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  say, it's the most stable way to help us out. You uh,
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  you run the risk with Patreon that at some point in the future for being
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  politically incorrect, because we're fucking politically incorrect, we're gonna get bumped to Like
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  that is the risk. If you want to be able to support us,
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  you're much more likely to not lose that capability all of a sudden if you
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  use feed the Badger dot com and like I said, the social media tip
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  jar system that we we rely on a lot. That's all. That's all
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  justice fragile, and as a result we created feed the Badger dot com slash
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  justice tip. So there you go. But Lauren, you had started to
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  say something else, Yes, and I would like to add that you know,
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  it's a shame that channels like this are even necessary, right because in
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  a right side up world, which we should be living, things like this
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  would be handled by a competent government, which I know we don't have right
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  now. I don't know how competent governments can be when they are just you
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  know, filled with octagenarians who you know, seem to have speech impediments.
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  But anyway, this channel shouldn't be necessary, this discussion shouldn't be necessary if
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  the world was operating as it should, but we don't live in that world.
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  We live in a world where this discussion the equal treatment of all human
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  beings, not just women, is you know, something that we could have,
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  but we can't do that because of the way things are. So we
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  exist for a reason. And you know, for those of us, for
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  those of you who support us, we thank you heartily, we really do,
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  from the bottom of our hearts. And you know, for those who
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  are still wondering why we're here, well, why are you here? Yeah,
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  you know, that's a good question. So that's all I had to
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  say. Yeah, And I'm doing this because I feel like it's important for
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  people to understand the history line the issues, So you know, I hope
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  other people understand why. I think it's important because we're being told that men
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  owe women deference in terms of human rights issues and equality issues. And the
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  reason that men supposedly owe women deference is because men oppressed women throughout history,
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  even though women are totally equally capable as men, and there's no reason why
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  women shouldn't have been able to rise up at any point in time and put
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  a stop to that that for centuries, men oppressed women until compassion for women
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  was invented in the twentieth century. Right, that seems to be our narratives
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  that were stuck with from feminists, But history shows a different picture. And
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  it's vital in the fight against in French on men's human rights to understand that
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  even that lousy excuse, which is a lousy excuse, these people in history
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  did this bad thing. Therefore, for the rest of the future, people
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  who have demographic in common with them must be punished. Is a stupid argument
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  all around for every demographic. But it's not true either. If it's a
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  lie, the argument is moot. Doesn't matter whether it's stupid or not.
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  It's false. False comes before stupid. That's what I wanted to prove with
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  this history. So hence the research, hence the hours put in, hence
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  all of the work being done. And I'm going to turn this into a
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  video as well, the timeline and the highlights of what we've been discussing,
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  the basic information, because I really do feel like this is important information for
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  people to understand when they're talking talking about voting rights and so on, and
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  Tom, how does it feel to have lived through attempted assassinations? Of three
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  presidents, one of which obviously was successful, because that that has to be
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  surreal. Then Tom Tom just mentioned in the Packard excellence, just mentioned in
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  the chat I came in when all the Kennedys were alive. I remember both
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  assassinations. So he's seen a presidential assassination, he's seen another assassination of a
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  high ranking official. He's seen an attempt, the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan
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  back in the day, and he's seen, you know, the recent assassination
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  attempt, which I'm going to bring up to in my spiel before we get
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  into this. So this is this guy who's seen what like I can't imagine
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  like seeing. It hit me the other day that gen X has seen two
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  ridiculous attempted assassinations. But the boomers that are still alive have can remember three,
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  and all three of them have one thing in common. By the way,
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  they weren't all Republicans, they weren't all Democrats, you know. And
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  it wasn't that they were all president it was that they were all attacking the
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  political establishment in various ways. Now, obviously the guy that attempted to assassinate
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  Reagan was mentally ill, and said he was trying to impress Starlett, who
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  did who wasn't impressed. But yeah, like someone who should be listened to.
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  I imagine quite a bit of history there to understand. But but yeah,
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  and that the situation we're probably gonna hear about himntal illness coming up.
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  And my prediction on that is based on the fact that the guy's parents called
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  the cops to report him missing on a Saturday after he was not home for
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  a few hours. And most people don't do that unless the individual is disabled
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  in some way or another and shouldn't be out alone on their own. So
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  there's something screwy about that. And I'm my suspicion just from because of how
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  my my regular profession is would be that they're there. It's going to come
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  out this guy had a diagnosis that made it worrisome if he was unsupervised,
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  but which is also consistent, by the way, with a lot of other
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  incidents. So yeah, and there's there's absolutely no coincidence at all that both
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  of his parents were mental health professionals. Yeah, no quitch there. I
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  mean, just imagine growing up in a household like that where both of your
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  parents are trying to psychoanalyze you every minute of the day when you're just trying
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  to live a normal Well, what teenage life is normal? Right? You
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  know, nobody feels like their life is normal. As a teenager. You
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  always feel awkward and you know, out of place. But imagine just having
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  both of your parents with a like a late because he was the only child
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  as well. Well no, no, he had a sister. I believe
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  he has a system. But at any rate, just living in that kind
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  of household would probably drive anyone insane. Now I'm not saying that that's the
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  reason that this happened. I have my own beliefs about what transpired. It's
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  also possible that they went into that because they had had had reasons we'll just
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  say in their family like and it's you never know the situation and uh,
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  but they would be in a best a great position to articulate the symptoms,
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  uh if they're if their kids needed mental health treatment, to other professionals for
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  diagnosed diagnosis, because you don't if you're even as a doctor, you don't
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  treat your own family necessarily, you you seek confirmation from other professionals before you
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  take any action because you can be biased. But uh, but yeah,
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  it's it's quite possible, you know that they they saw something in in him
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  and when you know, we gotta we gotta get some help for our kids
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  and that kind of thing. So it's again, this is just speculation,
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  but that's that would make that call make sense really fast. So but yeah,
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  all three, all three situations were a a president or presidential candidate who
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  had been a president who was challenging the establishment or threatening to challenge the establishment.
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  And I mean we've seen that quite a bit here. Not that Trump
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  isn't economic establishment, because I think he is, like he's a big business,
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  right, but it's still there's there's something that the establishment is scared of,
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  and you've seen them go after him like an immune system going after a
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  virus. So it's it's really interesting seeing the pattern. Somebody challenges the establishment
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  too much, the establishment tries to kill them. And we don't we don't
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  necessarily know how, you know, like how connected it is, but we
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  do know that the rhetoric that that we've heard over over the last ten years
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  in regard to to this challenge to the establishment has been a contributing factor.
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  And it was in the Reagan situation too, there's a reason why the shooter
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  thought that Jodie Foster would be impressed, because he thought that it was normal
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  to hate Reagan and that it would be impressive if he was the guy that
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  took him out right. So yeah, there's there's not there's not a rational
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  denial that rhetoric plays a role in this. Kennedy was controversial too. People
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  don't realize that. A lot of people think he was universally loved. Nope,
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  he was controversial. There were people that were afraid of him because he
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  was challenging the establishment. So yeah, I'm still in the same position I
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  was before. I don't like everything about Trump. I don't hate everything about
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  Trump. Therefore both sides accused me of some sort of derangement syndrome, and
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  uh, and I'm still going to vote for him. There you go.
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  But in any case, Yeah, so all all of that goes back to
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  the thing about social media platforms, which I was also going to point out
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  today before we get started. I will remind everybody and we we do have
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  the same risk involved in our social media platforms, like I've been locked and
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  throttled and shadow band and and I don't know, thrown in the Old Pacific
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  Sea multiple times on social media for saying things that later turned out to be
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  one hundred percent true. Right last night is an interesting example of why it's
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  important. So I'm gonna harken back really really quick to the whole QAnon thing.
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  When that guy came onto the scene on Twitter, I looked at at
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  his posts and I'm like, that guy is melodramatic as hell. That's not
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  how somebody, uh of the type of profession he was claiming to be,
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  would would talk in public like I know some people who did jobs like that
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  he was. He was claiming, I think to be a Navy seal or
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  there's a few other types of profession in the military where when somebody starts talking
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  about threats to to the security of your community, they're not melodramatic. They're
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  very matter of fact. They they they will tell you the same way that
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  your manager at a gas station will say, there's there's fecal matter on the
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  floor in the in the restroom that needs to be cleaned up. Go get
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  a mop and clean it up. Right, That's that's exactly how they talk.
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  There's there's this, this is the situation. This is what needs to
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  be done. Do it, and and there is no like, they don't
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  they don't talk about uh, praying for the situation, or if they do,
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  they say it very briefly. None of this super super melodramatic crap that
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  I was seeing. So I called it at the time. I was like,
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  Yeah, this guy's falls flag. Something's wrong with with this. This
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  is not a real uh individual doing this kind of job that that is a
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  secret source of what's going on in the government. This is somebody trying to
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  troll everybody for a reason. And I think, you know personally that it's
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  to make right wingers look stupid and gullible. And I got locked for twelve
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  hours and made to delete that post. And later on, you know,
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  and it turned out that the guy was trolling people and his achievement was that
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  he made a lot of right wingers look stupid and gullible. I had nothing
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  to point back to to say I told you so. Guys should have listened
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  to me, right, that was? That was, you know, a
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  mistake. I should have should have documented, right, I should have filmed.
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  I can use actually use obs to do that. I should have documented
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  my deletion and saved it. But instead, and I was stuck not being
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  able to say I told you so, which for a woman is like,
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  you know, not being able to breathe. So. But but in the
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  meantime, I've watched this kind of stuff happen over and over again, where
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  somebody comes out, information is made public that is controversial, questionable, or
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  or show something is seriously wrong, something's going on that needs attention paid to
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  it, and some account will show up and start spouting conspiracy theories that are
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  just believable enough that a lot of people won't look dig you know, look
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  into them, check the facts, and they'll start repeating them. And that
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  happened last night. I watched it happen in real time. This guy discovered
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  actually a lot of people told him about And I'm not a finance person,
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  so I'm not sure I fully am gonna explain this correctly, but he discovered
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  that an investment company made a suspiciously convenient move the day before the attack on
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  Trump, and that suspiciously convenient move would have either saved them a lot of
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  money or made them a lot of money if all of a sudden something associated
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  with Trump got devalued a lot by an event, right, And that was
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  that was kind of weird. And then they they uh undid the thing that
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  they did. They they basically deleted it or removed it. Uh and and
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  that that's kind of weird, right, That's one of those things you go,
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  wow, that's that's interesting. But there isn't really a conclusion specifically from
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  that, because that's not enough information to draw a conclusion on. Well,
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  then another account immediately began posting these unverified claims about a previous administration's possible involvement
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  and the only thing that he supported it with was more claims, and people
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  were running with that narrative right away. Oh, this was done by this
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  was done by Bush and Cheney. This was Bush and Cheney made this happen.
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  And I'm looking at it, and as I'm reading the guy's posts,
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  what he said would have made sense, except there were some things that stood
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  out that were kind of weird, and it was it was starting to look
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  like the Conspiracy Wall with the little you know, cards and images and strings
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  and all that stuff, right starting to look like that meme. And people
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  were replying to him, going, this isn't true, and then there's nothing
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  to back it up. And I started looking, so I started researching it,
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  and lo and behold, the first thing that came up was one of
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  the connections that he drew reacquired Mary Cheney. I think her name is to
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  be married to a guy who started a company in Cincinnati years ago, who
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  isn't associated with the company he's supposed to be associated with in order for this
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  connection to be real at the company doesn't exist anymore and isn't associated with the
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  company that that made the suspiciously convenient move. And Mary Cheney's married to a
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  woman. So I started posting everything I found, like this is this part
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  of the story is not true, and I like that. That bothered me
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  that people were repeating that without questioning it. So I went through and everybody
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  I could find that was prominent that was repeating it without checking it, I
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  replied to them and immediately got pushed back, Oh, you're so gullible to
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  believe all of that stuff instead of this claim that doesn't have any verifying information
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  behind it. So I waited. I thought, you know what I'm gonna
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  get. I'm gonna get locked again for publishing this or for posting this.
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  But I didn't. But that doesn't necessarily mean that it can't happen. Later
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  the guy deleted his posts. I wasn't expecting that I should have, but
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  I believe they are unless they've been removed on archive. Is it didn't finish
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  loading before I had to stop and start doing tasks at work. So but
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  in any case, you know, I replied to this this guy a storyteller,
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  and to the people that I could reply to and tried to, you
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  know, stem the tide of that, because it's it's possible the guy was
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  just a troll looking for attention. You know, it's possible the guy was
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  just being a dipshit. But it's also possible that once again you had a
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  professional troll there trying to make right wingers look stupid and gullible. Right,
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  Okay, so somebody in the chat knows I think who I'm talking about here,
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  because somebody was saying guy went ballistic. Okay, no brother brother with
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  the had problems. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, people who want
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  to believe these things will go nuts on you for skepticism when it's really important
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  to track this stuff down and make sure that it's true if you're going to
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  make a big allegation like that, Because the allegation that was being made was
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  that two former federal officials, a president and a vice president, had conspired
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  to capitalize on the possible assassination of a presidential candidate. That's that's a hell
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  of an accusation. And I mean, I'm not a huge fan of Bush
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  or Cheney, but if that's not true, then people shouldn't say it.
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  It's not part of the story. It's not part of the situation, and
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  we should be responding to what's true. And you know, it is true
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  that that, like, the company that made the suspiciously convenient move put an
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  explanation up on their website for having made that move, so that confirms that
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  they did that. It doesn't explain away any suspicions, and it doesn't confirm
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  any suspicions. That's just like one of those things you sort of draw a
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  line under it and they're like, Okay, this, we don't forget this,
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  but we don't understand it yet, so what to wait for more information
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  to come out that can explain it. And it's possible that their explanation is
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  valid, but we'll put a line under that too, because it's possible that
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  that's just cya right, So no conclusions there, but In the meantime,
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  the fact that you know, I was kind of paranoid last night about it.
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  I'm going to get a locked for this. I'm going to get locked
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  for this made me realize how important it is to have the Honey Badger Brigade
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  blog and for you guys to pay attention to Honey Badger Brigade Blog and be
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  aware and alert that we have that platform that we're on. Rumble that you
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  know, I may not use truth Social much. I don't. I don't
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  think I post on it for the last probably several months, but I'm on
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  it. And if I lost my ability to post on Twitter, you can
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  bet anything that Twitter thought was controversial enough to keep me from from posting X
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  whatever, I would start putting that up on truth Social right away because it
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  hit a nerve and I would want it to be available for people to see,
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  even if it's not on that platform, even if it's on a different
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  platform. And so it's very important for us to be on multiple platforms and
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  to have platforms where we can trust that you know, we're not just going
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  to be silenced by some idiot on a trust and safety council. So that's
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  that's something that I wanted to point out about having the blog, and it's
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  something that I wanted to get across about, you know, keep keep track
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  of what's on the blog. Even though right now it's mostly just links to
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  our shows and stuff, this is something that it's a necessary tool in case
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  we get silenced in other places. And it's not that I expect necessarily that
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  X is going to be a problem like that. It's just that I don't
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  one hundred percent trust that it won't be because Elon Musk is in charge there
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  now and he's telling everybody that's a free speech platform now. But I'm still
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  throttled and shadow shadow band for saying men are human and human rights are not
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  gendered now. So I don't know if you guys have anything to add,
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  not for lot, Okay, I think Elon is to uh involved in his
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  own forward trajectory to actually pay attention or give it damn about anything that happens
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  on X. Don't know that I do too, because I mean that Trust
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  and Safety Council, as far as I'm understanding, is still in place and
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  led by you know, the unsavories right, Uh, So you know,
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  I think he's got Twitter or X on auto pilot. He's not paying attention
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  to this ship. And you know, it's it's interesting to see who he
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  does reply to, because he seems to be replying to a lot of people
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  who are on the more conservative side, because that's where he's politically leaning,
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  you know. But there are issues that are brought up to him about the
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  way that Twitter or I keep calling it Twitter, I can't call it x
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  X is just stupid. Sorry, But he doesn't really seem to respond to
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  or care much about those things. Yeah, and in the middle of an
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  election season, when we are so close to November, he's again, like
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  I said, he's got so much, He's got so many other things to
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  care about. That's this is the last of his priorities, I would think.
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  Other than the fact that you know, he's able to get on there
• 30:48
  and express himself freely, I think he does enjoy that bit of it,
• 30:52
  which of course was it. You know, it's his toy and he gets
• 30:56
  to play with it. Yeah, But as far as the day to day,
• 31:02
  you know, operations of the business goes, he I think he is
• 31:07
  is just a little too far detached from that because that's not his main focus,
• 31:12
  right, you know, that that is another reason why it's important for
• 31:17
  us to maintain alternative platforms, because you know, we don't know no matter
• 31:22
  what somebody's intentions are, no matter what somebody's promises are, no matter any
• 31:26
  of that, we don't know that any I guess mainstream thing is gonna be
• 31:34
  a good place to talk, and you'll always be able to talk. You
• 31:40
  know, if I post something on the Honey Badger Brigade blog, right,
• 31:44
  say I write an article about something and I post it there. You can
• 31:48
  challenge everything in that argument. You can post links in the chat, you
• 31:52
  can argue, you can bring things up, you can say I think you're
• 31:56
  an idiot, like you can. You can even call me names, and
• 32:01
  that's not going to get deleted, as long as you don't say something that
• 32:06
  that you know, advocates for violence or something like that, where we could
• 32:10
  get we're't gonna let anybody do that, right, and and it is fair.
• 32:15
  We the the closest to that line we've gotten is predicting that something will
• 32:22
  result in violence, in expressing fear that something will result in violence, which
• 32:27
  we we have of one post that does that and turned out to be right
• 32:35
  shortly thereafter. So you know that that kind of predicted the writing that took
• 32:40
  place in in in the country and the response of people to that writing that
• 32:47
  that you know, people started defending themselves and stuff, and but it's not
• 32:53
  a statement of justification for any of it. And like that's as far as
• 32:59
  you can go with with describing violence on the side. You can talk about
• 33:02
  it, you can postulate about it, you can predict, you know this
• 33:07
  this can result in that, and you can express concerns about it. But
• 33:14
  the one limit that we would have is if your content is illegal or your
• 33:20
  comment you know, contains this violence should happen statements you know, or we're
• 33:28
  going to do this violence statements, then those are going going bye bye.
• 33:34
  But everything else is pretty much fair game. Right you call me a motherfucking
• 33:37
  asshole, and I will leave your comment right there for everybody to see.
• 33:43
  You can even you know, post a whole We've had people post almost a
• 33:50
  whole freaking article in response in the comment sections, trying to take down things
• 33:53
  we we said. And it's fair to debate those things. It's really important.
• 34:01
  It's vital in fact, because if we make a mistake and people run
• 34:07
  with it, it can destroy the movement any any publication from the movement has
• 34:13
  that risk, so it's vital. But again, like that's just I wanted
• 34:21
  to point that out because that happened last night and it was something that really
• 34:27
  through me that how fast people just adopted that narrative and just started running with
• 34:31
  it, Like did you learn nothing from QAnon? Did you learn nothing from
• 34:38
  finding out that that guy actually was a false flag? And and that that
• 34:45
  bothers the hell out of me. So I think people should confirm serious allegations
• 34:52
  before they actually start repeating them. And if you can't confirm it, challenge
• 35:00
  it, because if you can't confirm it, it's probably not true. But
• 35:07
  anyway, let's get to the rat killing here we have. We stopped at
• 35:15
  the church. I think, as you I got. I don't know if
• 35:21
  you guys are watching the in the yeah, it says to watching good Okay,
• 35:28
  So we stopped at the subordinate position in the church. I'm pretty sure
• 35:37
  maybe the different code of morals actually, because I think I remember reading that
• 35:43
  and and this statement about Jehovah. I wish I can't find a police to
• 35:50
  click to get rid of that stupid little box trying not to have text selected.
• 35:54
  There we go, So we're almost through here. He has endeavored in
• 36:01
  every way. She says that he could destroy her confidence in her own powers,
• 36:07
  to lessen her self respect, and to make her willing to lead a
• 36:12
  dependent and abject life. Now, I this the reason that this comment,
• 36:19
  this this part bothered me and wasn't just because it wasn't true, you know,
• 36:25
  like it's it's blatantly not true. Men elevated women throughout history. Men
• 36:31
  pedestalized women throughout history. Goddess worship grew out of I think the reverence of
• 36:45
  both sexes for women's role in reproduction. I think if that was different,
• 36:53
  goddess worship would not have been a thing. But so I think women have
• 36:59
  been always a little elevated, even if they're not put into political power.
• 37:07
  Right and before English history, I think women kind of There's there's some evidence
• 37:17
  that women held very prominent positions in the pre British civilizations. But so men
• 37:29
  didn't endeavor to destroy women's confidence or less than their self respect. And as
• 37:37
  far as the dependent and abject life, nobody knows for sure how the ideas
• 37:44
  of coviture started. Nobody knows for sure whose decision that was that over time
• 37:54
  women would be become legally under the the wing of their husband. There's probably
• 38:06
  some history that explains that, and I would bet it traces back to the
• 38:08
  history that we've talked about in regard to how guinescentrism grew, like how true
• 38:19
  guyness centrism where it's just about women and not about women's reproductive role, not
• 38:24
  about children in other words, but just about women. How that grew that
• 38:30
  came out of remember thirteenth century French aristocracy. So just connecting that back to
• 38:42
  this, this statement was written by a woman of means, not a woman
• 38:49
  who worked as a cook or a laundress in somebody's home or in some business
• 38:58
  somewhere, woman who had money and had the resources to be out speaking and
• 39:06
  engaging in activism, and had had uh the ability to create an event for
• 39:17
  women to come to to advocate for this, not just some random So this,
• 39:23
  this woman of means who was using her husband's money and uh her own
• 39:31
  to do this is complaining. And and by the way, the woman happens
• 39:38
  to have partnered with for women who are Quakers, and in the Quaker face
• 39:47
  women could be preachers. In fact, one of the women involved in the
• 39:52
  foundation of the the Convention was a pre so this is bullshit. And then
• 40:07
  we have now in view of this entire disenfranchisement of one half of the people
• 40:15
  of the country, they finally get to the point. After all these complaints
• 40:19
  about men we have just in the last two they finally get to the point
• 40:23
  in view the unjust laws above mentioned. And because women do feel themselves aggrieved,
• 40:29
  oppressed, and fraudulently deprived of their most sacred rights, we insist that
• 40:34
  they have immediate admission to all the rights and privileges which belong to them as
• 40:38
  citizens of the United States. Notice she didn't say anything about responsibilities. You
• 40:49
  guys, see any equality here? I'm sorry was that on the menu?
• 40:58
  I thought it was all about give me a one. Gimme women's gives I
• 41:06
  want? Please? Can I have? Yeah? Rights and responsibilities? What
• 41:14
  you rights and responsibilities? Give women the ick Hannah. They can't handle that.
• 41:21
  I'm glad she mentioned privileges. That's kind of interesting. Privileges. Well,
• 41:30
  you know, even though she maybe uh mistakenly acknowledges that uh, you
• 41:38
  know, responsibilities come along with those rights, it doesn't mean that she actually
• 41:43
  has any intention on, you know, trying to preserve those rights on her
• 41:47
  behalf or the behalf of women. No, they just want that first nice
• 41:52
  fluffy bit where they get to do stuff and have stuff. Yeah, and
• 41:59
  have stuff and well, actually yes, and have stuff and not half to
• 42:02
  do stuff to have stuff. Yep. The women in a fucking nutshell.
• 42:09
  They just they want it. They want you to give it to them without
• 42:15
  them having to lift a fucking finger. And it's interesting because they fought for
• 42:20
  this right, They advocated for this, They went around the campaigned for this,
• 42:24
  but nowhere did they campaign to if women are supposed to be equally responsible,
• 42:30
  at no point did they ever suggest that that should extend to the responsibility
• 42:35
  for one's family. You know, the husband would still be the head of
• 42:38
  the household. The husband would still have to pay all the bills. The
• 42:43
  husband would have to be the one that the got treated as you know,
• 42:47
  the the at fault person in a divorce, even if the wife cheated,
• 42:53
  even if the wife abused him in other ways, because cheating is abused in
• 42:58
  my opinion. But but yeah, you know, they she she could,
• 43:04
  she could, she'd have all the rights. You know, he couldn't tell
• 43:07
  her what to do with her money, He couldn't he couldn't administrate her money.
• 43:12
  He couldn't stop her from borrowing money, you know, he couldn't.
• 43:15
  He couldn't stop her from borrowing money on their home if it's in both of
• 43:19
  their names, or on on property that she owned, even if it was
• 43:23
  the property that their kids relied on as a place to live. But uh,
• 43:30
  but yeah, he would still have to pay all the bills, and
• 43:34
  then and if they got divorced, he would have to pay her alimony and
• 43:37
  child support. None of that was challenged by these women. None. The
• 43:43
  only thing that was challenged was any limitations on a woman's choices and behaviors,
• 43:49
  no limitations on a man's obligations, which were the reason for those limitations on
• 43:58
  women's choices. And then she goes on in entering upon the great work before
• 44:05
  us, we anticipate no small amount of misconception, misrepresentation, and ridicule.
• 44:12
  But we shall use every instrumentality within our power to affect our object. We
• 44:19
  shall employ agents, circulate tracts, petition the state and national legislatures. So
• 44:24
  you mean you're going to ask men for your voting rights and endeavor to enlist
• 44:30
  the pulpit and the press on our behalf so the people you just said hate
• 44:36
  women. We hope this convention will be followed by a series of conventions.
• 44:43
  It was embracing every part of the country, firmly relying upon the final triumph
• 44:51
  of the right and true. We do this day affix our signatures to this
• 44:55
  declaration, and then the bunch of them signed it. So they we predicted
• 45:00
  pushback, and pushback there was, of course, if you ask feminists,
• 45:08
  they will tell you that historically men opposed women's voting rights and kept women from
• 45:15
  getting the vote for decades after women started fighting for it. But is that
• 45:21
  true? So we have some more to look at here. This report is
• 45:29
  called never a fight of women against men? What textbooks don't say about women's
• 45:35
  suffrage? Okay, I'm in so just just to point out, like the
• 45:45
  first thing that she did was in that statement was kind of poison the water
• 45:51
  that you know, we're gonna get pushed back, people are gonna make fun
• 45:52
  of us, We're gonna have misconceptions. If you disagree with us, you're
• 45:55
  wrong, right, And then she admitted that they were going to have to
• 46:00
  appeal to men for their voting rights. After she'd just spent the whole paper
• 46:07
  demonizing men like, these guys are monsters. Let's go ask them for help.
• 46:15
  Yeah, how's that rake that you stepped on? How does that feel
• 46:20
  like? Seriously so? Suffrage leader Alice Stone Blackwell wrote in nineteen fourteen that
• 46:28
  the struggle has never been a fight of women against men, but always a
• 46:31
  broad minded men and women on one side against narrow minded men and women on
• 46:37
  the other. See. She framed that she couldn't she couldn't gender it,
• 46:45
  so she she made it out that the women on our side, men and
• 46:49
  women on our side are are smarter and wiser and yea more forward thinking.
• 46:54
  Oh no, those other guys, they're just they're dumb. Yep, your
• 47:00
  rednecks flyover states. Oh wait, that's today. They're they're doing the same
• 47:07
  thing today, aren't they. Yeah? Absolutely absolutely, Carrie Chapman, Uh
• 47:14
  cat agreed, almost said Carrie Chapman chat agreed, writing that the enemy of
• 47:21
  suffrage was not men but resistance to change. Heard that they are not willing
• 47:30
  to become one with the borg resistance to change. Okay, so sometimes it's
• 47:36
  good to be resistance to change. Like you get on a jet to fly
• 47:42
  over from maybe the US to Europe or from Europe to the US and as
• 47:46
  you're as you're in the sky, you suddenly discover their smoke. There wasn't
• 47:52
  smoke before. That's change. Something has changed, right, And then you
• 47:57
  hear this boom and you realize, oh shit, one of the engines just
• 48:02
  blew up. That is also change, definitely not change that you want.
• 48:07
  You should be resistant to that change. Be like, no, I hope
• 48:10
  this doesn't happen, even if there's nothing you can do about it, and
• 48:14
  be like, oh, you know, maybe I'll pray that this doesn't happen.
• 48:17
  You know, anything in any anything that you can reach for and grasp
• 48:22
  for to have that not happen while you're in a jet. I don't like
• 48:24
  that change, right, So just saying you're resistant to change is stupid.
• 48:31
  It's a stupid argument because some change can be bad. And if the only
• 48:37
  argument against your resistance to change is that, well, look at you,
• 48:42
  you're just resistant to change, Well, yeah, I'm resistant to that change.
• 48:45
  Okay. Like it's not the same as if you're on that jet and
• 48:50
  the stewardess comes in and says we're going to upgrade you from the seat you're
• 48:54
  in to first class because this leg on the bottom of the seat. We
• 49:00
  just figured out it's it's something wrong with it, and we don't want anything
• 49:02
  to happen to you. So, but we don't have another seat, and
• 49:06
  you know we're not gonna charge you for first class. You just gotta go
• 49:08
  sit in first class. Oh no, poor me, I'm resistant. No,
• 49:14
  that's not gonna happen. You're gonna go sit in first class because you're
• 49:15
  not resistant to change, right, You're you're resistant to things that are bad
• 49:22
  for you, and they might involve change. It's it's a fallacy to argue
• 49:28
  that you're just resistant to change because you don't like something that has issues.
• 49:37
  How many students are aware that suffragettes did not see the campaign as a fight
• 49:43
  of women against men, like I wonder personally, you know that's a that's
• 49:54
  a good question. Fifteen widely used college textbooks on American history where eas and
• 50:00
  not one makes this clear. Not one, nor did these textbooks include Susan
• 50:07
  B. Anthony's statements that women's suffrage laws probably never would have passed if it
• 50:14
  had been up to women to vote on them, and that men were actually
• 50:21
  more progressive about women's suffrage than women were stated in nineteen oh two, that's
• 50:29
  particularly interesting to me, Right, why would so many men want women to
• 50:36
  vote? If men, if misogyny was the way of the time, if
• 50:45
  men were pressing women because they thought women were inferior, why would they want
• 50:50
  women to vote? Right? Well, I mean to ask the question is
• 50:53
  to answer it, you know, And it's because it wasn't that way,
• 50:59
  you know. And it's just like what the sentence was asking before about how
• 51:07
  many college students were aware of it. Well, you know, they're probably
• 51:13
  off doing their own thing, living their own life, not even thinking about
• 51:16
  this. As most people are, you know, as charged politically as our
• 51:24
  society is right now, the number of people that just don't care or pay
• 51:30
  attention is sad. It's disturbing, it's astonishing, But you know, that's
• 51:38
  just the reality of things. Most people aren't that tuned in. They've got
• 51:44
  their own shit going on, you know. But yeah, no, it's
• 51:52
  never been the case that men have wanted to keep women down, and there's
• 51:58
  nothing that we ever looked at that has proven that in any way. It
• 52:05
  kind of makes you wonder, you know, the whole the trope, the
• 52:10
  feminist trope of men wanting to keep women barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen.
• 52:16
  Like, if if men really wanted that, then why did they push
• 52:22
  women to go to work and why did they push women to vote? Because
• 52:28
  both of those efforts were led by men, Right, both of those issues
• 52:37
  were led by men. It wasn't women going, we desperately want to work,
• 52:40
  we desperately want out of the house. People make it out like that,
• 52:45
  like feminist women, like the privileged, wealthy feminist women in particular,
• 52:52
  they pushed it, but you didn't really necessarily see a lot of middle class
• 53:00
  women pushing it. You didn't see a lot of poor women pushing it because
• 53:02
  they were already out of the houseworking. They were already making money. They
• 53:07
  weren't making as much as their husbands, but they were making enough to at
• 53:10
  least keep their their families heads above water financially. So women that cleaned other
• 53:17
  people's houses for a living, women that watched other people's kids for a living,
• 53:22
  women that did other people's laundry for a living, and in particular,
• 53:27
  you know those women that did other people's laundry for a living, they were
• 53:31
  dirt poor, and they got injured on the regular. Some of them got
• 53:36
  really badly injured doing their work and still managed to live in poverty. I
• 53:44
  think their families barely had anything. So so yeah, you kind of wonder
• 53:52
  why who really pushed women into the workplace, who made that that seem attractive
• 54:00
  to women who were not doing it out of necessity, because I don't I
• 54:06
  don't think it was women. The women who were already doing it would have
• 54:09
  given their eye teeth to get out of it. And the women who didn't
• 54:17
  have to and weren't wealthy and bored, who had a lot of stuff to
• 54:22
  do, who took care of their own kids and did their own laundry and
• 54:24
  their own cooking, they weren't pushing for it. They weren't trying to get
• 54:29
  out of the house. You know, they could go, they could go
• 54:32
  places if they wanted to. They didn't have to go get a job.
• 54:37
  They were pretty happy about that. Actually, it's the women who had somebody
• 54:43
  coming in to do their laundry, had governesses and nannies and you know,
• 54:49
  so on to take care of their kids. I had Mary pop and show
• 54:53
  up and take their kids on weird trips to magical places, and didn't you
• 55:00
  know, do their own cooking. Either had had a cook or went out
• 55:07
  to eat all the time because they were socialites. Like those women pushed for
• 55:13
  women to get jobs, and those women pushed for women to get the vote.
• 55:21
  So he says, in fact, there were many sides to the issue,
• 55:23
  in each point of view had both male and female supporters. So it
• 55:29
  sounds a lot like politics today. There's not really any you know, feminism
• 55:32
  has men and women involved. The men's rights movement has men and women involved.
• 55:38
  Anti feminism has men and women involved. Right and conservatism, which is
• 55:45
  sort of a different facet, it's got some anti feminism involved in it.
• 55:50
  They might think their men's rights activists, some of them maybe understand the issues.
• 55:55
  Some of them understand some of the issues, but they're not quite feminine.
• 56:00
  They're not quite MRAs, and they're not quite anti feminists. So they
• 56:02
  would be another facet. But there's men and women involved in that too.
• 56:07
  Right, Every facet of the political spectrum has men and women involved. There's
• 56:14
  not anything that is just all men, even the in cell communication community about
• 56:22
  the in cell population. The in cell population might be all men, but
• 56:27
  the community that discusses it and treats it as a political issue that has men
• 56:32
  and women on both sides too. This paper, he says, explores the
• 56:39
  paradox of why intelligent, progressive, capable women led the organized opposition to women's
• 56:47
  suffrage. It looks like it looks at some reasons for their opposition, the
• 56:57
  problem of the uninformed voter, the idea that civic minded women had more power
• 57:01
  without the vote, and the suffragists many public relations problems. So we're going
• 57:07
  to look at you know, this statement again. Carrie Chapman kat said the
• 57:14
  enemy of suffrage was not men but resistance to change, and Alice Stone Blackwell
• 57:19
  wrote that always broad minded men and women on the side of suffrage against narrow
• 57:28
  minded men and women on the other side. But the paper points out intelligent,
• 57:35
  progressive, capable women led the organized opposition to women's suffrage. So this
• 57:39
  is going to be I think that's going to be interesting. Finally, it
• 57:43
  explores the origin of the usual women versus men view of the suffrage struggle and
• 57:47
  suggests how suggests change and how this phase of history is taught. So he
• 57:54
  starts with women's opposition to suffrage. Oh yeah, packard excellence, women's work
• 58:04
  injuries, not counting working women getting assaulted by their coworkers. So you know,
• 58:08
  men and women have been at like, sexual harassment is a real thing.
• 58:12
  It's happened to both sexes in the workplace and everything. But it's interesting
• 58:17
  how as soon as women started getting paid awards for in court for complaining about
• 58:27
  it, the incidents went up significantly, and all of a sudden, there
• 58:32
  were women experiencing harassment like no, nobody's business. Something I'll probably have to
• 58:39
  look into in the future. How did making it something you could sue for
• 58:45
  and get big, big money instead of just get the employer held accountable or
• 58:52
  the coworker held accountable when somebody engages in inappropriate behavior like that, regardless of
• 59:00
  the sex of the worker and regardless of the sex of the person who was
• 59:02
  harassing them like that, That change, I think encouraged a lot of false
• 59:08
  allegations in my opinion. But in any case, going on, women's opposition
• 59:19
  was an embarrassing problem that plagued the suffrage movement from the cical Seneca Falls Convention
• 59:27
  in eighteen forty eight to the ratification of the Nineteenth Amendment in nineteen twenty.
• 59:34
  Despite one textbooks claim that the Seneca Falls Reformers spoke for all American women,
• 59:42
  they always do that, don't they we speak for all women, and then
• 59:46
  when you oppose them, well, we didn't mean you. Oh yeah,
• 59:54
  Packard, I forgot. I wasn't even thinking about myself. Not I forgot
• 59:59
  that it happened, but I forgot to consider myself. Yeah, I was
• 1:00:02
  injured in the workplace in twenty nineteen because a female colleague assaulted me. It
• 1:00:07
  wasn't sexual. It was pretty violent, actually, and it was over something
• 1:00:14
  stupid. Really. I can't explain any further because it's a medical environment.
• 1:00:21
  But if you understood the facts the situation, it would be embarrassing to consider
• 1:00:31
  what this woman did and why it Just what can I compare it to?
• 1:00:43
  Hmm? I have to think about that. I'll explain if I can come
• 1:00:47
  up with a comparison that won't give away anybody's private medical information. So anyway,
• 1:01:00
  Elizabeth Katy Stanton spoke of the oops I moved. That spoke of the
• 1:01:05
  contempt from which or with which women themselves regard the movement. It is met
• 1:01:10
  by scornful the scornful curl of the lip and expression of ridicule and disgust.
• 1:01:17
  Sounds like feminism wasn't very popular when it started. Gee, I wonder why,
• 1:01:25
  Yeah, that's like, that's kind of interesting because we get told all
• 1:01:30
  the time that the feminist movement started because women, the population, all women
• 1:01:37
  everywhere, were just fed up with being oppressed by men, And yet we're
• 1:01:45
  hearing that privileged Elizabeth Katie Stanton spoke of the contempt with which women themselves regard
• 1:01:53
  the movement. They're scornful and they're disgusted. Now, I wonder which women
• 1:01:58
  she was talking about. Women's support gradually increased nationwide, but even at the
• 1:02:13
  time of the final victory in nineteen twenty, suffrage leader Carrie Chapman Katt estimated
• 1:02:19
  in a letter that only about a third of women supported suffrage, one third
• 1:02:23
  opposed it, and one third didn't care. So a third of women were
• 1:02:30
  completely indifferent to whether or not they voted, and feminists claimed to speak for
• 1:02:36
  them, and a third of women opposed getting voting rights, and feminists claim
• 1:02:40
  to speak for them too. And I would like to know how many women
• 1:02:44
  they polled when they made that, you know, when I came up with
• 1:02:49
  those numbers, one third, one third, one third, Yeah, it
• 1:02:52
  might have been I mean, it might have been even more women that either
• 1:02:55
  opposed or were indifferent or didn't yeah, I would agree with that, Yeah,
• 1:03:01
  especially just from the standpoint of you know, a woman who has lived
• 1:03:07
  in modern times in a situation of economic distress, I wouldn't say our family
• 1:03:14
  was in abject poverty because we always had food and you know, I but
• 1:03:20
  with both of us working and everything, our basic needs were met by our
• 1:03:24
  income, all right, But it was a lot of work bringing those resources
• 1:03:31
  in. We worked very hard for very little, both of us for years,
• 1:03:36
  and I didn't I wouldn't have had time to consider that, you know,
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  a group of women was advocating in my family's name, a bunch of
• 1:03:51
  stuff that was an attack on my husband. If it wasn't for the fact
• 1:03:54
  that we also had to help a friend's family over over and over again,
• 1:04:00
  one friend after another through legal battles where the system was attacking the husband or
• 1:04:08
  another family member that was a man or a boy on the basis of his
• 1:04:15
  sex because of feminist lobbied law. That's the only reason that I actually became
• 1:04:23
  aware of the systemic issues. Right. And like imagine women back in these
• 1:04:30
  days right where you actually had there was no McDonald's, right, you actually
• 1:04:36
  had to make your own food. You know, you had from scratch you
• 1:04:41
  had from scratch from scratch, you had to cook, you had to clean.
• 1:04:46
  You didn't have all these machines that did all that shit for you.
• 1:04:49
  There were no microwaves, no, you know what I mean, And there
• 1:04:56
  was none of that. So women back in those days, their minds were
• 1:05:00
  occupied with the maintenance of the house, right they didn't have time to give
• 1:05:06
  a damn about you know, politics. That was in the natural order of
• 1:05:13
  things. I'm sorry, maybe that that's in my view, in the natural
• 1:05:16
  order of things, the person who is providing the finance for the home,
• 1:05:23
  if that's both of you, then fine that that is where you know,
• 1:05:27
  the decisions about politics and how we're going to use this right that we have
• 1:05:34
  or privilege or whatever to vote. This is the direction that we're going to
• 1:05:41
  go in. Because our family is eating very well right now, we would
• 1:05:46
  like for this to you know, prosper so we don't want to vote for
• 1:05:53
  the guy that doesn't share our political values. You know it. At best,
• 1:05:58
  it might have been a discussion over the dinner table, yeah, you
• 1:06:00
  know, but it just women back then did not care. They didn't have
• 1:06:08
  the capacity to do that, I mean. And we say all of that
• 1:06:13
  and This is on top of having to care for themselves as women. You
• 1:06:18
  know, yeah, they still had menstrual cycles every month, you know what
• 1:06:25
  I mean, which must have been horrific to deal with back in the days.
• 1:06:28
  But you know, there was so much that women had to do because
• 1:06:33
  they had responsibilities, you know, yes, yeah, so back in that
• 1:06:44
  day, back in the day, all right, if your children got sick,
• 1:06:48
  you didn't, you didn't you may you might take them to a doctor.
• 1:06:53
  But even if you even if you couldn't get a doctor, you know,
• 1:06:56
  or the doctor might come to your house. But they didn't go convalesce
• 1:07:00
  in the hospital unless they were dying. And even if they were dying,
• 1:07:03
  sometimes they didn't go convalesce in the hospital. You provided twenty four to seven
• 1:07:09
  care. You were the ones sitting next to the bedside and spooning soup or
• 1:07:15
  water into their mouths if they couldn't drink and eat, and changing compresses and
• 1:07:23
  trying to bring their fever to a safe level and so on like that was
• 1:07:29
  women just did that, you know, women, And it was it was
• 1:07:34
  normal. It wasn't adversity. It was normal. And and on top of
• 1:07:42
  that, you know, you had people don't understand how intricate housekeeping was one
• 1:07:49
  hundred years ago, even even forty years ago, it was much more intricate
• 1:07:55
  than it is now because people buy boxed mixes for everything. People buy he
• 1:08:00
  made food and put it on the table. People who don't do that are
• 1:08:04
  healthier. Right, if you go get I still have to go get raw
• 1:08:09
  ingredients and cook because we're allergic to too many things in our household. To
• 1:08:14
  go buy you have to read the list of ingredients on the side of the
• 1:08:18
  box for everything. If you want to get box food everything, you'd be
• 1:08:24
  amazed, Like I can't even go to the grocery store and buy a pie,
• 1:08:30
  all right, because in our house we have a food allergy too sweet
• 1:08:36
  peas, and up until recently, I say recently, meeting the last four
• 1:08:43
  or five years, five or six years, somewhere in there, you could
• 1:08:46
  just go out and buy a pie and there would be for the most part,
• 1:08:48
  you know, you just avoided stuff that had any any of the spices.
• 1:08:53
  There are some spices we have food allergies too, right, and they're
• 1:08:57
  not deadly food allergies. There's there there. Your body detects this in the
• 1:09:01
  stomach and goes okay, no, and gives it back. So it's it's
• 1:09:05
  it's that kind of food allergy, right, but pea protein is now being
• 1:09:11
  put into baked goods for some unknown reason. Sweet pea protein sounds like you
• 1:09:16
  know you're in but I and so we we had a pie one day and
• 1:09:24
  our you know, our our food allergy person gave it back, and uh,
• 1:09:30
  I'm like, what the hell you know? So I started, we
• 1:09:31
  start examining the pie. There's nothing wrong with it. It smelled fine,
• 1:09:34
  it looked fine. So we started reading the ingredients and we're like, what
• 1:09:38
  the fuck? Why is there sweet pea protein? Why is there pea protein
• 1:09:42
  in this? There is no need. I've made pies from scratch, like
• 1:09:46
  totally from scratch. Not just buy pie filling at the store in a can
• 1:09:51
  and put it in a ready made pie shell. But the raw ingredients for
• 1:09:56
  the pie shell, make the pie, pie crust, dough, cook the
• 1:10:00
  pine crestdo a little bit cut up fruit, add seasonings and sugar and stuff,
• 1:10:06
  and put it in that and cook it like that kind of from scratch.
• 1:10:12
  You don't need pea protein. There is no part of the recipe that
• 1:10:15
  requires you to add that. No, well, you know there there are
• 1:10:23
  even now, because keto is the big craze right right, So there are
• 1:10:28
  products out on the market like Ketou tortillas, but you flip the package over
• 1:10:33
  and it's full of like wheat flour. It's not keto. That's not keto
• 1:10:40
  at all. But the only thing that they have on there that is Keto
• 1:10:45
  is that it has stevia instead of regular cane sugar. Yeah, which may
• 1:10:50
  be okay, yeah, but you know, we have a food sensitivity to
• 1:10:55
  stevia in our house too. It's not it's not an allergy. It doesn't
• 1:11:00
  like nobody gets hives or throws up or anything, but it tastes. It
• 1:11:03
  tastes really really bitter, Like even the ones that are normally pretty decent,
• 1:11:10
  like the non stevia sensitivity person in our house can can eat stevia and be
• 1:11:15
  like, yeah, that tastes fine to me, and the other person tastes
• 1:11:18
  and it's like, oh my god. You know, his lips get sucked
• 1:11:25
  into his face from how bitter it is. Bitter beer face is nothing compared
• 1:11:29
  to bitter bitter stevia face. You just you guys have no idea. But
• 1:11:33
  yeah, women, women back in the day, like when my description of
• 1:11:38
  making a pie. They would have been completely like, Oh, yeah,
• 1:11:40
  that's how you that's that's the only way to have a pie. You can't
• 1:11:44
  just go to the store and buy one maybe a baker, but that's expensive,
• 1:11:47
  right, And the same they'd say the same thing about bread. They'd
• 1:11:49
  say the same thing about a pot roast. They'd say the same thing about
• 1:11:54
  if you were gonna have sushi, you'd make your own sushi. You didn't
• 1:11:58
  go to some like you wouldn't by a sushie at the grocery store ten years
• 1:12:01
  ago, five years ago for the most part, right right, you know,
• 1:12:06
  but one hundred years ago, you could buy a bread at the grocery
• 1:12:11
  store, but it was cheaper to make your own. You could buy a
• 1:12:13
  lot of things at the grocery store, but it was cheaper to make your
• 1:12:15
  own. You had your own garden out in the backyard, if you didn't
• 1:12:19
  live in an apartment, you grew some of your own food. Yeah,
• 1:12:24
  right, Like that was that was typical. It wasn't a luxury. It
• 1:12:30
  wasn't a thing people did because they were progressive and forward thinking. It was
• 1:12:34
  a thing people did because they were broke and hungry. It was a necessity.
• 1:12:40
  Yeah, absolutely. In fact, one hundred years ago, one hundred
• 1:12:44
  years ago, because of oh shit, the law, the eighteenth Amendment,
• 1:12:54
  the Temperance Amendment, people were actually making their own alcohol too, bathtub gin,
• 1:13:01
  which people some people died from consuming because they accidentally made the wrong kind
• 1:13:09
  of alcohol and didn't realize it and you know, drank poison. Basically.
• 1:13:16
  Yeah, that's like you look up what happened with bathtub gin that that amendment,
• 1:13:26
  which by the way, was lobbied for by women and usually one people
• 1:13:34
  wonder why I went off the way I did the other night about repealing the
• 1:13:38
  fucking nineteen Sorry if you weren't there for that, sorry, you need to
• 1:13:43
  become a member of our discord channel if you would like to hear the after
• 1:13:45
  shows, because that's where a lot of the things get hot. But yeah,
• 1:13:51
  no, I I am so seriously about that conversation. Maybe not appeal
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  maybe amended, right, I think it needs to be amended. But yeah,
• 1:14:08
  no, sorry, go ahead. Yeah, the temperance movement actually happened
• 1:14:15
  before women got voting rights. Women could not vote when the eighteenth eighteenth Amendment
• 1:14:21
  was was debated, circulated, written, you know, for all the states
• 1:14:30
  you know, voted on by the States ratified and so on and became law.
• 1:14:36
  Women were not able to vote, but they were the driving force behind
• 1:14:42
  its adoption. They were the driving force behind its ratification. And it was
• 1:14:48
  illegal to produce transport, store transport, and sell alcohol in the United States
• 1:15:00
  during that time. You know, after that, after that was passed.
• 1:15:05
  And if you want to see a depiction of making bathtub gin, watch the
• 1:15:13
  version of Little Orphanani that has Carol Arnette. And it should have watched that
• 1:15:16
  anyway, because it's a great performance by Carol Vernett. But I mean everything
• 1:15:23
  she did was so But in any case like that, and yes, Richard
• 1:15:28
  Bierre, you nailed it right. There's the power of nagging right there.
• 1:15:33
  Although the temperance movement was also violent, like Carrie Nation used to go into
• 1:15:39
  bars with an axe. This was not a little woman either. She was
• 1:15:44
  six feet tall, big, big woman. She just looked like a man
• 1:15:47
  in a dress would go into into bars and with an axe and just fuck
• 1:15:53
  people, shut up. She broke things, she cut up tables, she
• 1:15:57
  destroyed the alcohol. She was really scared and the women that ran with her
• 1:16:02
  were pretty scary too. So so there was that, but there was a
• 1:16:06
  lot of a lot of it was just about nagging and and yeah, they
• 1:16:13
  got that done. They didn't need to vote to get that done. And
• 1:16:15
  it wasn't good for the country when they did it. It created the first
• 1:16:24
  the first basically the first drug dealers, the organized crime around being drug dealers,
• 1:16:29
  the drug being alcohol, and the networks that were created because of that
• 1:16:36
  made organized crime. It took organized crime from being a problem in New York
• 1:16:41
  to a nationwide problem. It could have been a problem that was quashed in
• 1:16:47
  New York, but instead it ended up being a problem that will never go
• 1:16:51
  away because as long as there are things that people want that are illegal to
• 1:16:58
  have or that that uh people need that they can't use legal channels to get,
• 1:17:05
  there will be organized crime. Now, thanks women, you made the
• 1:17:12
  pathway for that, and feminis is gonna be like, yeah, but but
• 1:17:17
  organized crime is men. No, there are men and women involved in organized
• 1:17:21
  crime, and the women are that are involved are are no less culpable.
• 1:17:27
  Right, both sexes are involved in that. But it was mainly women that
• 1:17:30
  nagged the country into outlawing alcohol. So yeah, back in the day,
• 1:17:35
  if people wanted booze, they had to make their own booze. Too.
• 1:17:41
  And uh, you know, when you cooked, it was entirely, entirely
• 1:17:47
  bye bye by scratch or from scratch by hand. You hand needed dough to
• 1:17:55
  make bread. You didn't have bread machines unless you ran a factor. You
• 1:18:00
  didn't have bread machines. You didn't have an electric stove and an electric oven.
• 1:18:08
  You had gas if you were if you were lucky, but you didn't
• 1:18:11
  have you know, you didn't have Actually, in the nineteenth nineteenth century,
• 1:18:17
  they may not even have been have done that. But yeah, one hundred
• 1:18:21
  years ago, they didn't have any of the conveniences that we have now.
• 1:18:26
  So the women that were opposed to feminism, a lot of them might have
• 1:18:30
  been opposed to suffrage and feminist progressive ideas because they were seeing how much more
• 1:18:41
  complicated and stressful, difficult and dangerous it would make their lives. You know.
• 1:18:49
  Yeah, they're cooking on wood stoves. A lot of people were cooking
• 1:18:53
  on wood stoves. And you didn't go buy a cake mix, right.
• 1:18:57
  You bought the ingredients for a cake, the scratch ingredients. You bought your
• 1:19:02
  flour, you bought your sugar, you butt your eggs, and you put
• 1:19:08
  milk in the cake. You didn't put water in the cake. Yeah,
• 1:19:12
  you bought your milk if you didn't have a cow, if you didn't have
• 1:19:15
  chickens, you know, and you didn't grow your own wheat, and forget
• 1:19:20
  about oven temperatures please. You stuck it in there, and you checked every
• 1:19:26
  once in a while to make sure that it didn't burn you. Yeah,
• 1:19:30
  there's no widds to three fifty. Nope, there is no set to three
• 1:19:35
  hundred and fifty degrees. There was. You put the cake in to a
• 1:19:40
  gas of an if you were really wealthy, I think they, I think
• 1:19:42
  it might have had them at that point. But you put it in woodstoves.
• 1:19:45
  You put it in over hot coals or hot hot hot, not coals.
• 1:19:51
  But uh, I can't think of the term woodchips that you would have
• 1:20:01
  been cut up right. Or you put it in a pot. You put
• 1:20:05
  the pan in a pot that hung from a bar across your you're the bottom
• 1:20:14
  of your chip over your fire. Mm hm m hm. So uh And
• 1:20:20
  there's there's and there's a reason that food that is cooked over an open flame,
• 1:20:29
  you know, with like wood chips or or you know, some kind
• 1:20:32
  of wood smoked flavor, it tastes so much better than just you know,
• 1:20:42
  I haven't, like, I haven't electric. Still I deal with it,
• 1:20:45
  but you know, yeah, it's it's just so much better. At least
• 1:20:50
  it tastes better in my opinion. You know, when you cook like that
• 1:20:55
  over an open flame. You know, it's it's just more back to nature
• 1:21:02
  in the way things that we were done, you know, the things that
• 1:21:06
  we are kind of instinctively attracted too, you know, with our sensory you
• 1:21:16
  know, our taste buds and things like that. But well, by the
• 1:21:19
  by the twenties, gas ranges were like I'm looking at a report. This
• 1:21:27
  is on Weebley, so I don't know, but I'm looking at a report
• 1:21:30
  here that by the nineteen twenties, this this is local. Zanesville is close
• 1:21:36
  to to here where I am. But by the nineteen twenties it says even
• 1:21:42
  many hard pressed families got gas had gas ranges in Zanesville, Ohio, where
• 1:21:45
  seventy percent of homes earned less than an amount considered comfortable, ninety percent had
• 1:21:49
  a gas range. And it cites a source Cohen, nineteen eighty three and
• 1:21:56
  page numbers and stuff. So there's it's a research paper. But so natural
• 1:22:00
  gas, you know, they they had that. But and and I don't
• 1:22:04
  think charcoal was the word I was looking for. I think it was just
• 1:22:09
  wood chip wood chips, although they might have called it that. I don't
• 1:22:12
  know. But when I was talking about cooking over hot coals, I was
• 1:22:15
  talking about actual chunks of coal, like, not process. But yeah,
• 1:22:20
  I would say probably, at least in cities, it was pretty common to
• 1:22:26
  have. You know, now, the phrase now you're cooking with gas probably
• 1:22:31
  is about how much easier it was to have a consistent outcome in your cooking
• 1:22:39
  with your food when you got a gas range instead of trying to cook over
• 1:22:44
  again. An oven that was like that was also the heater for the household
• 1:22:50
  back in the day, like you're you didn't You didn't shut it off,
• 1:22:55
  You didn't put the fire out in the winter time, you kept it going
• 1:22:59
  all all the time, and in the summertime you suffered when when you cooked.
• 1:23:05
  Yeah, do you remember, because I distinctly remember the jingle from an
• 1:23:13
  ad campaign about switching your house over to oil or to gas, and it
• 1:23:19
  was oil heats a dinosaur, Oil heats a dinosaur. Do you remember that?
• 1:23:25
  Don't? I don't, But that sounds like it sounds like something that
• 1:23:30
  will come out of the nineteen seventies. Yeah, yeah, and that's well,
• 1:23:33
  it's at least in the eighties, because I remember that distinctly. Oil
• 1:23:39
  heats a dinosaur, oh my god. Yeah. And it was just a
• 1:23:43
  ploy to get people to switch over to gas for heating their homes. And
• 1:23:49
  so my dad was a steam fitter and so he always dealt with oil.
• 1:23:55
  We had an oil tank in the house. Yeah, you know, and
• 1:24:00
  you know, because he knew how to work on it, you know,
• 1:24:01
  he could fix it himself. He didn't have to go call someone to come
• 1:24:05
  and fix his place, you know, he did it himself. So yeah,
• 1:24:12
  but that that's just crazy that you mentioned that about like the gas and
• 1:24:17
  stuff. Yeah, yep. And and those were there were households, there
• 1:24:25
  were whole households that were that were heated before you had gas heat and before
• 1:24:32
  electricity existed. Every household that needed heat had a wood stove. And like
• 1:24:42
  you call it a wood stove, but you could put it was just basically
• 1:24:47
  a iron enclosed fireplace. Yeah, and uh, it would. My parents
• 1:24:57
  used to talk about remembering their grandparents' house having those. My my dad used
• 1:25:05
  to go stay on his grandma's farm all the time. And you know,
• 1:25:09
  my mom visited my my grandfather's mother. My uh, my great grandfather,
• 1:25:17
  by the way, was murdered by the mafia. That's that's a whole different
• 1:25:25
  story. He was, he was not a wise man, and he got
• 1:25:28
  himself into a very stupid situation. And uh, you know he was.
• 1:25:31
  He was murdered by the mafia for doing something that you if you understand about
• 1:25:40
  their culture, you don't do. But in any case, that the the
• 1:25:47
  stove. My mom's first really serious injury was uh, she was told not
• 1:25:55
  to touch the wood stove because it was red, part of it was read,
• 1:26:00
  and she was, you know, defiant, you tell me what to
• 1:26:04
  do, I'm gonna go touch it. And she she learned it when somebody
• 1:26:09
  says don't touch that, that there's probably a reason and she should listen.
• 1:26:15
  And that was that was pretty much the same sort of I got told that
• 1:26:18
  story after I stuck my foot in hot colls to see if they were still
• 1:26:21
  hot and got through degree burns on my foot. So in any case,
• 1:26:28
  it's like, don't feel bad. I did the same thing in defiance of
• 1:26:30
  my grandmother. Because women are brilliant, we all do stupid shit. Like
• 1:26:36
  that, right, don't you tell me what to do. You can't tell
• 1:26:39
  me what to Oh why did you make me get hurt? Right? Right?
• 1:26:46
  So yeah, because it's always someone else's fault when it can. So
• 1:26:53
  there were there were when when they write when he writes that that, uh,
• 1:27:03
  they're they're talking about a third didn't care. I I agree. I
• 1:27:11
  think that it's more than that a third didn't even have time to think about
• 1:27:14
  it. Yeah, maybe half or more didn't care. And those that opposed
• 1:27:19
  it were people in that situation that didn't really have time to think about but
• 1:27:25
  somebody made them anyway, somebody gave them a reason why they had no choice.
• 1:27:29
  All right, we got to think about it's fine, don't do it.
• 1:27:31
  This is we're we already got enough on our plate. Don't do this.
• 1:27:34
  And the suffragettes were like, well, we represent you anyway, kind
• 1:27:40
  of kind of like what uh Jessica Valinti said to the public when Women against
• 1:27:46
  Feminism came out, like oh you might you might oppose us, but we're
• 1:27:51
  we're gonna we're gonna fight for your rights anyway. You know what rights,
• 1:27:58
  Well, feminism isn't fighting for any legal rights that men have that women don't.
• 1:28:03
  But they are fighting for the ability of mothers who divorce the fathers of
• 1:28:10
  their children to then shut the father out of the child's life. Not really
• 1:28:15
  a right, but definitely something that feminists want women to be able to do.
• 1:28:25
  In her book Women's Suffrage in Politics in nineteen twenty three, Kat wrote,
• 1:28:31
  oh, Kat claimed the support of most or all women, as suffragettes
• 1:28:34
  have been doing for decades. In her book Women's Suffrage in Politics nineteen twenty
• 1:28:39
  three, she wrote that suffragists represented an unmistakable popular demand for a just cause
• 1:28:50
  right, unmistakable and just. So those are characterizations unmistakeable popular demand demand.
• 1:29:03
  Uh whatever, I just where are you getting this from? There? They're
• 1:29:14
  using weasel words. Yep, this is neo weasel words. That's the thing.
• 1:29:20
  I'm making it a thing well, and and the thing that really bothers
• 1:29:26
  me about the history here, Like they're talking about this like women universally wanted
• 1:29:32
  to face all of the hardships that that would come with gaining the rights that
• 1:29:42
  they were fighting for, and they like, there were a lot of women
• 1:29:45
  that looked at the situation, Oh, you want the same rights as men.
• 1:29:48
  Okay, Men are the shield between women and the entire legal system.
• 1:29:56
  So if we get the same rights as men, we're vulnerable to the entire
• 1:30:00
  legal system. Right if we fuck up now, we can go to jail,
• 1:30:03
  we can get fined, we can be sued. Like this is a
• 1:30:06
  scary prospect if you know you're shielded and you can act with impunity and you're
• 1:30:11
  accustomed to that, you know, same thing with debt, Same thing with
• 1:30:20
  especially if women had relied on their husbands to tell them what was okay in
• 1:30:27
  regard to spending, and they didn't have to think about budgeting and they didn't
• 1:30:30
  have to think about any of that. They just said I need this much
• 1:30:33
  for our household needs, and the husband would just do the work it took
• 1:30:39
  to get that money, or point out that, hey, that's this percent
• 1:30:43
  of how much I bring in. They're discussing coal versus coke in the chat,
• 1:30:53
  Which coke because we have you see if I can so for for okay,
• 1:31:11
  let's see if I can find coke. Coke was a It wasn't It
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  wasn't cocaine, and it wasn't coca cola. It was another substance that you
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  burned. And I thought I could easily look up the process. It's made
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  out of coal. Yeah, here we go, here we go. Okay,
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  Uh, that's just an AI overview. That's but it's probably it's probably
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  correct because I'm looking at the sources it drew on and only one of them
• 1:31:51
  looks us and it's Wikipedia, but the other two are more One of them's
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  the National Coal Mining Museum, So I think that's pretty uh yeah, but
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  it's it's made by refining coal by heating coal or oil without air in a
• 1:32:13
  process called coking that creates this porous substance that burns cleaner and better than like
• 1:32:23
  raw coal. Oh, that's neat. The packard has a book that tells
• 1:32:30
  you how to refine it by packard. That's valuable. You should hold on
• 1:32:35
  to that. Put it, put it in in uh uh one of those
• 1:32:41
  things, one of those plastic covers that that you get for comic books,
• 1:32:45
  and seal it and keep it. Don't let anything happen to that, especially
• 1:32:49
  now because you know all the all the talk of an apocalypse and a collapse
• 1:32:55
  and everything. You might need it. That knowledge would be very valuable,
• 1:33:04
  very important to not lose it. But yeah, so going on, just
• 1:33:10
  to settle the cocaine, Yeah, No, they didn't burn cocaine. Why
• 1:33:15
  would people have a lot of energy there be Like, well, they would
• 1:33:18
  think they did anyway, just just from personal experience being the sober person in
• 1:33:25
  the room around people that have been using drugs and alcohol, people who have
• 1:33:29
  used cocaine think that they are on fast forward, but they're not. Just
• 1:33:39
  they're not. In her book, oh I read that part of our suffrage
• 1:33:45
  leader Abigail Scott Dunway of Oregon similarly clouded the issue of women's support. Oh
• 1:33:55
  I left out Kat didn't mention her observation that only a minority of women supported
• 1:34:02
  their own right to vote. So Abigail Scott then clouded the issue of women's
• 1:34:05
  support, claiming that the silent majority of women wanted suffrage, well, also
• 1:34:12
  admitting that suffragists do not claim or even desire much numerical strength. So everywhere
• 1:34:20
  the suffrage fucking you with silent majority, if you're the fucking majority, Yeah,
• 1:34:32
  okay, sorry that that just does not make any fucking sense to me,
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  because if that's the case, then number one, they're not silent.
• 1:34:41
  And if that's not the case, then where are you getting these fucking numbers
• 1:34:46
  from? And it's annoying. It's annoying. And Derek, yes, coke
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  is used in making a steal. In fact, it's essential to the process.
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  It's in order to get the level of heat that you need. It
• 1:35:05
  might might might still be, but it definitely yeah, to make steel in
• 1:35:13
  a blast furnace anyway. So yeah, but but yeah, so and that's
• 1:35:19
  something like most most women probably wouldn't care about. But men, men put
• 1:35:28
  that together. Men did that, and we have steel because men tried out
• 1:35:34
  things like that, experimented and tested and uh dealt with the oppressive heat.
• 1:35:42
  And I don't know what it's like in in a plant that that works with
• 1:35:46
  steel, but I was a security guard and a plant that did aluminum molding
• 1:35:54
  for for car parts. And when you went into the area outside the room
• 1:36:01
  where like there was a there was a room where the molds were and the
• 1:36:08
  aluminum would be poured into molds and they would go through the process of curing
• 1:36:14
  or whatever. Outside of that room, it was super hot, like the
• 1:36:19
  kind of heat where if I went in there for very long, I would
• 1:36:24
  start having symptoms of heat sickness. So I was in there just long enough.
• 1:36:29
  There were some gadgets that I had to check to make sure the arm
• 1:36:34
  on the dial hadn't moved into the red zone, and I had a number
• 1:36:38
  to call if it did right, and if it moved into the yellow zone,
• 1:36:43
  I had to call that number. Actually it had to be in the
• 1:36:45
  green zone, and because they don't want something to explode, basically, and
• 1:36:51
  if it's in the red zone, you get the fuck out of there.
• 1:36:54
  But in any case like that, that heat was bad and that wasn't the
• 1:37:00
  hottest place. I didn't have to go into the hottest part of the factory,
• 1:37:05
  so I like there were men that worked in there, and it was
• 1:37:13
  just unbelievable how hot that was. But yeah, women not very much,
• 1:37:19
  not so much. And Packard says aluminum has a several hundred lower melting temperature
• 1:37:30
  than steel. That makes sense because aluminum is is the softer, not as
• 1:37:35
  sturdy, so it would take more to melt steel to make steel. But
• 1:37:43
  yeah, again, you know women, women wanting equality and then us being
• 1:37:49
  able to talk about that at the same time. It's an interest is an
• 1:37:53
  interesting juxtaposition because there were men. There have always been men who have done
• 1:37:59
  those jobs because they need the amount of money that those jobs pay, and
• 1:38:05
  those jobs pay more because of the hardship and the danger. Like heat sickness
• 1:38:11
  is something that can happen to anybody, and it's really life threatening, very
• 1:38:15
  dangerous. I experienced the border between heat exhaustion and heat stroke once and ever
• 1:38:26
  since then I've been I've had a weakness to high levels of heat. And
• 1:38:32
  that was not even in an environment like that. I was in a kitchen.
• 1:38:38
  It was not even super hot in comparison, like I've worked in hotter
• 1:38:43
  environments than that in the past. It's just that my employer didn't properly ventilate
• 1:38:48
  the kitchen at at that location. So but men do those jobs, and
• 1:38:56
  men made those jobs that were so much more more dangerous and so much harder
• 1:39:01
  to do and so much heavier, and just did them. They just always
• 1:39:06
  did them. But yeah, and it's an interesting juxtaposition with these women right,
• 1:39:19
  sort of whining for the same rights as men, knowing full well that
• 1:39:26
  they don't have to do the overwhelming majority of things that men do to keep
• 1:39:29
  society running. They don't face the things that men face that inform their voting.
• 1:39:38
  Albert Nada Retro gave us two dollars Canadian and said Suffragette's silent ha and
• 1:39:45
  that that is absolutely fabulous. Meredith g gave us five dollars and said,
• 1:39:50
  HBr talk three eighteen honey for the Badgers. I tip you because you're worth
• 1:39:55
  it. Thanks for the great conversation, and thank you Meredith, and I
• 1:40:00
  better look, I don't have the chat open. There we go in Brave
• 1:40:09
  and somebody had asked, do we get anything from Rumble Rants? We do,
• 1:40:16
  but Feed the Badger gives us everything, and even Rumble has to take
• 1:40:23
  a cut, like they can't make their money if they don't, right,
• 1:40:26
  So, but if you're gonna tip us through something other than Feed the Badger,
• 1:40:33
  I genuinely would rather it be Rumble than YouTube personally, although I do
• 1:40:44
  see the YouTube super chats and I will read them and so you know if
• 1:40:49
  you if you must, But I like the hierarchy there Feed the Badger.
• 1:40:58
  It gives us the most. Rumble Rants support a platform that isn't going to
• 1:41:05
  censor you or us or punish you or us for controversial speech, So there
• 1:41:15
  you go. I won't say anything about any other platform because I don't want
• 1:41:18
  to get in trouble. So yeah, the statement that they don't need very
• 1:41:27
  many women to sign on to claim that they represent women is quite an interesting
• 1:41:32
  one. Feminists have done that the whole time. They have claimed the whole
• 1:41:39
  time that they have the support of the majority of women, and then when
• 1:41:44
  you show them evidence, like there are surveys throughout history that say that women
• 1:41:51
  do not support the feminist movement, some of them have said, you know,
• 1:41:57
  like eighteen percent of women do. There was one that that only twelve
• 1:42:00
  percent of women would call themselves feminists and supported the feminist movement, supported feminist
• 1:42:06
  organizations and stuff. I've seen ones that ask about specific feminist organizations where women
• 1:42:13
  actually seem to hate those organizations en mass, and there aren't very many women
• 1:42:18
  who are members and don't most women don't want to be involved. And they'll
• 1:42:24
  try to parlay twelve percent into a majority by saying things like, well,
• 1:42:30
  women, when they're surveyed about the issues, they believe in equality, they
• 1:42:35
  support equality, they just don't like feminism and don't want to call themselves feminists,
• 1:42:40
  so they are feminists because they don't understand what feminism is. That's the
• 1:42:44
  argument that we get all the time, and that argument is based on saying
• 1:42:47
  that feminism is about equality. But then when you go back and you look,
• 1:42:51
  you find out that feminism is about accusing men of oppressing women, hating
• 1:42:56
  on men, calling men monsters, and then demanding that men and help women,
• 1:43:02
  like you're a woman hating monster, help us. But but yeah,
• 1:43:11
  so for for them to say to have admitted, you know, we don't
• 1:43:15
  claim or even desire much numerical strength, that kind of is typical, right
• 1:43:17
  of feminism. Nothing new there, nothing old there, it's it's it's just
• 1:43:24
  a timeless everywhere that suffragets carried on campaigns, other women organized to block their
• 1:43:33
  progress. This is we're talking about the suffragettes again. This is this is
• 1:43:39
  back in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, right, the patriarchy,
• 1:43:45
  the so called patriarchy was women. Everywhere that suffragettes carried on campaigns, other
• 1:43:50
  women organized to block their progress. This is not to correct you, but
• 1:43:57
  to correct you. This is talking about suffragists. Yeah, yeah, yes,
• 1:44:01
  well it's important, yeah, because the suffragettes were more in your face
• 1:44:08
  violent, and the suffragists passed out pamphlets and wrote articles and letters and contacted
• 1:44:16
  their politicians and asked politely. So there is a big difference there. Although
• 1:44:24
  the suffragettes in the United States were not so much violent as they were racist.
• 1:44:30
  The suffragetes in the UK were violent as fuck. They were terrorists,
• 1:44:33
  yeah, absolutely, and they actually there's evidence that women in the UK would
• 1:44:44
  have gotten the vote sooner if it had not been for the violence of the
• 1:44:50
  suffragettes. There were legislators that desperately wanted to give women voting rights because they
• 1:44:59
  felt that they would have the support of women and it would enhance their power,
• 1:45:03
  but they couldn't because the suffragette's violence made it very politically incorrect at the
• 1:45:14
  time. It demonstrated that women were not rational enough to deserve voting rights,
• 1:45:24
  and of course it gave a lot of credence to the women who were saying,
• 1:45:29
  we don't want this, and we don't agree. We're not with them,
• 1:45:34
  we want our own table. Things like that. Was they were distancing
• 1:45:41
  themselves, moving away everybody else, moving away from the suffragettes on the bench,
• 1:45:45
  you know, giving them the hairy eyeball and all that. And all
• 1:45:50
  of the zoomers and millennials are going, what's that a reference to? I
• 1:45:55
  have no idea. And everybody that has Alice's Alice's Restaurant memorized is going oh
• 1:46:02
  yeah, but but yeah, this has been it throughout history. Women organized
• 1:46:13
  to block their progress. Women didn't agree with them, women were not on
• 1:46:15
  board. Uh, if you're talking about from the blog, Derek, it
• 1:46:30
  depends on the wording and whether or not it involves describing an action a planned
• 1:46:42
  action, intended action, or suggesting that an action should happen, versus saying
• 1:46:48
  that, uh, you know this this thing is is predictable that at some
• 1:46:55
  point there this is this is likely, and you know we should maybe curb
• 1:47:00
  some things that are going on in order to prevent it. Like that's okay
• 1:47:04
  to talk about, but yes, if you're advocating for something that is illegal
• 1:47:12
  or bad, that will definitely result in us saying no, you can't say
• 1:47:16
  that, not on our platform. Anyway, you can get in trouble somewhere
• 1:47:23
  else, you don't have to take us with you. In eighteen sixty nine,
• 1:47:30
  Anthony and Stanton left the American Equal Rights Association to form the National Women
• 1:47:34
  Suffrage Association. Well wait a minute, and so feminism is not about equal
• 1:47:40
  rights, it's about women's suffrage. It's about women. They left the Equal
• 1:47:45
  Rights Association based in New York, feeling that the National Association was too radical
• 1:47:56
  in religion and divorce to represent most suffragists. Stone, William Lloyd Garrison and
• 1:48:00
  other organized. Others organized the American Women's Suffrage Association, so we had NWSA
• 1:48:08
  and AWSA ASSA based in Boston. Anti suffrage women responded by forming the Massachusetts
• 1:48:16
  Association Opposed to the further extension of suffrage to women. I don't even want
• 1:48:25
  to try to pronounce the They didn't put a in parentheses anything. There.
• 1:48:33
  The New York State Association Opposed to Women's Suffrage, and many other state organizations.
• 1:48:39
  The antis as they were called, testified before legislators, published articles and
• 1:48:45
  newsletters, this being a petition here, held public meetings and eventually debated these
• 1:48:54
  suffragists. So this petition, see if I can increase the size of this
• 1:48:59
  so I can act read it. It's not a very good copy, and
• 1:49:05
  it's got the whole petition language. Whereas, whereas this country is now engaged
• 1:49:12
  in the greatest war in history that would have been World War One, I
• 1:49:16
  think, yeah, world War one started by then. Uh. Whereas the
• 1:49:21
  advocates of the Federal Amendment, through urging it as a war measure. Gosh
• 1:49:31
  darn it, that print is freaking tiny and late. Yeah, okay,
• 1:49:45
  I can't make out the letters that word through their president, miss missus cat
• 1:49:55
  that its passage means a simultaneous campaign in states it good grief. I wonder
• 1:50:03
  if the no it doesn't fuck. I can't tell if this is the one
• 1:50:13
  they were afraid. They were they would get drafted. And I think that's
• 1:50:15
  what this is. This that our country, in this hour of peril,
• 1:50:27
  should be spared the harassing of its public men and the distracting of its people
• 1:50:32
  from work for the war. That was one thing they were mad. Oh
• 1:50:40
  dear, what comment did you take me in? Albert? This is this
• 1:50:51
  is tough. I okay, I see you tag you hadn't tagged me?
• 1:50:59
  You are taking all right? Albert Nada retro gave his five dollars. Canadian
• 1:51:01
  said, here's a five Please read the comment I tag you and I'll bet
• 1:51:04
  it was not letting you say it in the paid comment? Was it?
• 1:51:09
  At Badger live streams, Mary Lay tried to declare delete the British PM.
• 1:51:15
  Yes, they tried to murder the British PM with a hatchet, but got
• 1:51:18
  Irish Nationalist leader John Redmond instead. Because she threw like a girl. Oh
• 1:51:25
  God, I have something I have to do now. Uh do I know
• 1:51:30
  where it is? Fuck? I have a video that I now have to
• 1:51:40
  show you guys, and my desktop is so messy. All right, let's
• 1:51:54
  see here. While I'm doing that, i'll show you in a minute.
• 1:52:05
  It's not just throwing like a man or a woman. There is a specific
• 1:52:11
  way to throw an axe properly, and if you don't throw it right,
• 1:52:17
  because if you're throwing a baseball, for instance, you have there's kind of
• 1:52:24
  a Yeah, they probably didn't like the word hatchet. There's kind of a
• 1:52:30
  different way to throw a baseball because you're using your arm like almost like a
• 1:52:35
  tribuche. But if you're throwing an axe and you throw it like that,
• 1:52:43
  it fucks up the way that it cause it's balance is different. It has
• 1:52:47
  that handle and everything, and then the axe head is heavy and it's heavier
• 1:52:53
  than the handle, and if it's not a throwing axe, it'll mess it
• 1:52:57
  up too. So she just threw an axe that was a tool that would
• 1:53:00
  have fucked it up. And then on top of that, let's see if
• 1:53:06
  this is the right video. I think this is. This is the one
• 1:53:15
  filmed by my husband. I'm just gonna really quick take a look, and
• 1:53:20
  I'm going to put it in. It's on a different computer than I'm using,
• 1:53:25
  so I'm putting it into a discord chat and then downloading it from there.
• 1:53:33
  So this is just gonna take a second. And this is obviously in
• 1:53:41
  a controlled environment, so I don't think that that it would be as easy
• 1:53:45
  to do under that circumstance. So this is not me saying like, well,
• 1:53:50
  anybody can do this, because I don't think just anybody can can do
• 1:53:57
  this. But let me see if I can put this in the window and
• 1:54:03
  download. Maybe for some reason, it's really slow to load up. It's
• 1:54:23
  not even a big video, damn it. It's a couple of seconds there
• 1:54:30
  we go, okay, and the sound is coming through, but the video
• 1:54:38
  is not showing yay, good grief, thanks good, Yeah, that was
• 1:54:50
  awesome. That was That was my son's voice. Okay, so it's downloading
• 1:54:59
  it twice, but it's not actually playing the video really, stanardloading it a
• 1:55:08
  bunch of times. Cancel there, and that's not what I'm looking for.
• 1:55:14
  Oops, open that back up because that actually I wanted to Sorry, guys,
• 1:55:25
  this is gonna take just a minute. So I can illustrate. I'll
• 1:55:30
  do that and then I will finish the paragraph if I can, and then
• 1:55:38
  we'll end it. But just it's a it's it's a point that I'm adamant
• 1:55:46
  on just for the the plain and simple reason that I'm a bit of a
• 1:55:54
  nerd about knowing information. I guess if I can, that's not gonna work.
• 1:56:10
  It won't even let me increase the size. Let me try it.
• 1:56:13
  There we go. It's a it's a phone video, so it's not very
• 1:56:15
  big. But and this is this is me. This is from a few
• 1:56:24
  years ago at a company called Wild Axe. And you can go in there
• 1:56:29
  and throw axes. You can go in there and throw knives. So this
• 1:56:33
  was my third attempt, not my first attempt. So it's not like this
• 1:56:38
  was me being a natural or anything like that. But but this is if
• 1:56:43
  you want to actually hit a target, you have to and you can see
• 1:56:49
  I'm unsteady there, right, that was bad. But you cannot throw an
• 1:57:02
  axe like a baseball. You cannot. You have to. It has to
• 1:57:09
  be that straight, steady kind of throw. If you don't have exactly that
• 1:57:15
  form, you don't hit your target and it can actually bounce off of something
• 1:57:20
  and come back and hit you. So thank you seeing your sticks for for
• 1:57:25
  being a third attempt. I'm pretty proud of and I'm pretty pleased with it
• 1:57:28
  because I thought, I thought there's you know, I was gonna suck the
• 1:57:31
  whole time because I have crappy depth perception. But so it. Anybody that
• 1:57:38
  goes out into a public place and starts throwing acts at people is endangering everybody
• 1:57:44
  there, you know, unless it's something they're really practiced at. It was.
• 1:57:48
  It wasn't just a stupid move, and it wasn't just murderous. It
• 1:57:53
  was profoundly dangerous. And she threatened not just the PM, but everyone,
• 1:58:00
  And that's why she ended up accidentally killing a different person than she intended to,
• 1:58:05
  which you know, it's bad enough to intend to kill somebody, but
• 1:58:10
  to then end up killing an innocent bystander because you you uh, chose the
• 1:58:16
  hardest way to do that and and you turn and it turns out you sucked
• 1:58:23
  at it. Like that's that's just that much worse. That's just that much
• 1:58:29
  worse, you know. But yeah, so there you go. There's there's
• 1:58:39
  the bit about the acts throwing, and uh, let me see if I
• 1:58:44
  can get back that article that I accidentally closed because I want that up.
• 1:58:50
  This is our after show for today. Uh so, so you guys know
• 1:58:56
  sixty nine things Donald Trump has said about women is the article will be going
• 1:59:00
  over in our our uh patron only after show. So if you want to
• 1:59:05
  see us react and laugh about that, oh heck no, Packard, I
• 1:59:13
  would not. No, no, no, no no. You guys don't
• 1:59:16
  understand. I I got badly injured in that in that fight, and it
• 1:59:23
  was a fight in that I was trying to get away from her. I
• 1:59:26
  did not fight back. I did not use violence to retaliate against her for
• 1:59:31
  engaging in violence against me in that fight that Packard is referring to. He
• 1:59:35
  says that you're violent coworker, is lucky you did not have your axe handy.
• 1:59:40
  I know as a joke, but I will say this. I I
• 1:59:44
  didn't hit her back. I didn't do anything to cause any injury to her.
• 1:59:51
  At the time, I underestimated how much damage I was taking, So
• 1:59:56
  I didn't do anything. I didn't resort to violence to get away from her.
• 2:00:01
  I wasn't I should have been more afraid than I was. But you
• 2:00:05
  have to understand that I have faced a higher level of violence than what she
• 2:00:09
  was engaging in the past when I was younger and sturdier, And so what
• 2:00:15
  she did was bad and violent, and it hurt me and it was cruel,
• 2:00:23
  but it didn't scare me. It would have been scary if I was
• 2:00:27
  not used to violence, but it wasn't because I am, if that makes
• 2:00:33
  sense, even though I haven't faced violence in a long time. And that's
• 2:00:36
  the other thing. It took me by surprise because of the environment I was
• 2:00:39
  in. I wasn't really expecting violence. There was a moment where he could
• 2:00:43
  have injured her very badly to put a stop to it. She didn't.
• 2:00:47
  She left her knees completely undefended, completely, and I was on my back
• 2:00:54
  and it was a perfect position for a kick. And I couldn't bring myself
• 2:00:58
  to do that because again, I just that's a permanent thing, and I
• 2:01:04
  would have to remember doing that for the rest of my life. I would
• 2:01:06
  have to remember all of my life that I made it so that somebody would
• 2:01:11
  never walk right again. And I couldn't bring myself to do that. If
• 2:01:17
  I thought my life was threatened, then I could right. If I had
• 2:01:21
  understood the head injury that I had acquired at that moment, then I probably
• 2:01:29
  would have, but but I wasn't really aware of how bad things were.
• 2:01:36
  So yeah, this is you just cannot engage in that level of violence,
• 2:01:45
  and it's you know, it would it would have been funny ten years ago
• 2:01:48
  to say that, but with all of what's going on today, it just
• 2:01:56
  Nope. I'm very wary of that kind of talk anymore because people don't have
• 2:02:03
  the space right now for that humor. I want is to get back to
• 2:02:09
  a point where we can, but I'm not going to act like it's there
• 2:02:13
  today just because of what happened, you know, recently. So anyway,
• 2:02:28
  I actually lost the other page too, didn't. I all right, Wow,
• 2:02:41
  that's not actually that's not even in my history. The page that I
• 2:02:45
  just accidentally closed isn't even showing up in my history. I can't get it
• 2:02:53
  back. Well, that's weird. I'll have to solve this next week.
• 2:03:01
  I'm sorry, guys, I didn't mean to close that. And it's not
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  like when you there's a keystroke for reopening tabs that you accidentally closed and it's
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  it's not working. And I looked in my history and that page isn't coming
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  back like it's just not there. That's weird. Let's see if I can
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  now it's not I'll figure it out before next week. I must just really
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  screwed something up here. I don't think that there's a I must early screwed
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  up anyway. Sorry, guys. So, I guess that's going to be
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  the end of the show because use my material is I'm gonna have to track
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  down my material again. I'm sure I'll be able to just find I just
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  don't want to waste time doing it at the end of the show. It's
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  after nine. So but in the meantime, like I said, I've plugged
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  the after show. Yeah, sixty nine. They had to do that on
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  purpose. Albert rit Nataretro gave us two dollars Canadian said sixty nine. Huh,
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  And I'm one hundred percent certain that somebody at that publication has a sense
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  of humor. So, but if you want to be involved in our after
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  shows, you want to be able to come in and comment and talk about
• 2:04:34
  the article and listen and stuff like that. Like I said at the beginning
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  of the show, the platform is Feedbadger dot com and that is the most
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  stable way to help us out. It's a good way to arrange your membership
• 2:04:51
  and join our discord. The free part of our discord is obviously you could
• 2:04:58
  be in it anyway, but the paid part of our discord definitely you can
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  find a way too, uh to that on Feed the Badger as well.
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  So so that's my recommendation. You want to get to participate in sort of
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  fun making fun of people freaking out over things Donald Trump has said about women,
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  Oh my god, the humanity. We will have our best fainting couch
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  for this episode. And with that, I have read all of the super
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  chats, all of the super chows, all of the Rumble either one't any
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  rumble rants, and so thanks to my two co hosts for going through this.
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  This material is infuriating, so it's kind of you almost need to have
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  a kitten video viewing party afterward. So thanks for going through that with me.
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  Thanks to the listeners for tolerating my history fetish and uh, good night
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  all, and thanks everybody works in the background also to make HBr talk happen,
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  And good night all.