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My Dearest | Full K-drama Review / Ep. 60 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

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  I'm Jessica and this is Devaki Rambles, where a couple of
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  friends review Korean dramas and we are out of hiatus to talk
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  about a really big drama that dropped this year.
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  We're going to talk about My Dearest.
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  For this episode, I am joined by Sarai from the K Drama Cafe
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  podcast. How are you, Sarai?
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  Sorry. I'm a little squeaky.
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  Hi, I'm good. Thank you for having me.
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  We were bonding earlier before we jumped on and we're both
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  really nervous to talk about my dearest I We've been friendly
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  for so long on social media and I've been following your podcast
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  and I was like, Sarai, have you watched my dearest?
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  And you were like, yeah. And I was like, can you come on
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  and talk about it with me? And you were like, yeah, let's
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  do it. So I am so glad that this
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  happened and you were super flexible and could work with me
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  on this because this was not the intention when I first started
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  watching My Dearest that it was going to be a big deep dive
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  podcast episode on Pivot. Like that was not gonna happen.
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  So I'm really appreciative of you and I'm so glad that your
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  first time on Pivot is with this giant big ass show.
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  No, I'm so excited. Thank you for asking and same.
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  I wasn't even planning to watch this show and I was funny story
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  how I even like I pretty much. Long story short, not to be like
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  a pick me, but I was in Korea, I was at a chicken shop and on the
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  TV was playing my dearest. And so I was like, oh, I was
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  like, oh, that's my dearest whatever, eating my chicken 10
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  minutes. And I'm like like watching him.
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  Oh heck no. I gotta go back to the Airbnb
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  and watch it. Yeah.
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  Wow. So you literally were in Korea,
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  saw some of my dearest on the television in a public place,
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  and we're like, I need to go back to my bedroom?
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  Yep. And get going watching this
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  drama from episode one episode. Is that good?
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  It was episode 18. No.
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  Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, yes. I was like, what is going on?
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  Oh, heck no. Now I have to watch it.
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  So then what a good story. I know.
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  And then you asked me. I was like, OK, cool.
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  We'll talk about it. There's a lot to talk about, so
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  shout out to our patrons Curtis, Bale, Cindy, CD, Alana, Grace,
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  Lorna, Caitlin, Sammy, 10 May, Michelle, Adya, Aaron, Martha
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  and being for being so supportive of the show.
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  I love you guys, and I can't wait to talk to you guys about
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  my dearest. And of course, Sarai's hot take.
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  Which we will remains to be seen what that is, but that's going
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  to show up on the Patreon feed as well.
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  OK, so without further ado, we're going to talk about my
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  dear, both parts of My Dearest, Part One and Part 2, the show as
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  a whole. And here is the My Drama List
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  synopsis, a love story between a noble woman and a mysterious man
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  who shows up in her hometown. Set in the 1600s during the Qing
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  invasion, Yukichi is a pretty bubbly and and a bit spoiled
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  young lady who's called the 99 tailed fox of Nungungui.
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  She is also a a bit of an outcast because other young
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  ladies are jealous of her. They seem to think she's too
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  straightforward and her behavior is inappropriate for a young
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  lady. While young noblemen think
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  highly of her, Kilche knows how to get men to fall for her, but
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  fails to capture the heart of the person she likes.
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  EI Dong Hyun is a mysterious man who suddenly appears in the
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  Nungun Liu social scene. Nobody really knows anything
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  about him. Young nobles don't like him, but
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  the elderly are wrapped around his finger.
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  He's been dating around a lot, but he becomes curious about a
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  certain 99 tailed fox, and one day the said fox, quite
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  literally crash lands into his arms.
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  Once war is brewing, the pair finds themselves separated
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  before they could even start to make sense of their feelings,
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  and it spins out from there. OK, that's a little bit more
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  Part 1 synopsis, but that's fine.
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  It applies to both. Part 1 aired from August to
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  September 2023, there was a five week break, and then Part 2
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  aired from October to November 2023.
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  We are recording this at the very beginning of December, so
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  we are hot on the heels of the finale episodes.
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  It is 21 episodes long, 10 for part one and 11 episodes for
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  Part 2. It was directed by Kim Sung
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  Yong. He has directed The Veil, which
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  also stars Nam Kunmin, My Healing Love and The Flower in
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  prison from 2016. That is it.
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  That is all this director has done.
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  Yeah, I know. It's wild.
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  No, it's wild. I think it's wild for him to
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  have done like just big show. And this person only has three
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  shows under their belt. It's wild.
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  OK. It is written by Huang Jing
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  Yong. This female screenwriter has
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  written The Rebel from 2017 and The King's daughter Sue Beck
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  Young from 20/13/2014. And that's it.
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  Those are the only two shows that she's written.
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  The Rebel was six years ago. Whoa.
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  Big gap between now and her last project.
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  Wow, that. Yeah.
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  Well, already then. OK, that was not we're.
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  Already like I know I. Was not expecting OK already.
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  I know, I know. The show stars Nam Kumin as
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  Yisang Hyun, our male lead. He's done about 26 television
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  shows, including most recently $1.00 Lawyer and the Veil Hot
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  Stove, Lead doctor Prisoner. I remember him from Chung Dong
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  Dong Alice and becoming a millionaire, a billionaire girl.
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  What did you think? Did you watch him in that?
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  I am bad with names. Alice with Moon Gun Young.
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  Uh huh. Yeah.
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  That's the one that I remember him from.
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  Yeah, yeah. Which is basically a decade ago.
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  Yep, so. I haven't seen anything else
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  that he's in recently. Same thing.
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  OK, OK, so we're basically on the same page, yeah.
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  Yep. He's a star of yesteryear who is
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  now, has had a career resurgence in the last few years and
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  they're in the pandemic years, Yeah.
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  And I'm like, who's? Strange.
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  Before I recognize them. Who's that guy?
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  But yeah. Who's that guy?
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  So his Co star is Anand Jin, who plays Yukichi.
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  She's had a very good year because she was in the good bad
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  mother earlier in 2023, which was a very popular show.
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  Everyone was pretty pleased with her performance in that.
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  I have yet to watch it. I will watch it in the next
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  couple of weeks because, yeah, So what happens is every
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  December, I think that I can watch all of the year's dramas
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  in like the span of a month. Same.
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  And because I have a couple of guest recordings that I'm doing,
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  I am gonna freaking try my bit. I'm gonna try and come in as
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  prepared as possible and so I'm trying to watch the whole year
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  inside two weeks. And that's why I say I will
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  probably have watched the good, bad Mother, the Good, bad mother
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  in the next couple of weeks. She's also been in Goodbye
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  Earth, the One and Only, which is Diner.
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  I know her from hospital playlist.
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  She's one of the doctors, not one of the main doctors, but you
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  know, in the hospital. OK, yeah, she looked.
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  Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah. So she's in Hospital, playlist
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  one and two, Diary of a Prosecutor, Strangers from Hell
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  from 2019. I think her career really
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  started in 2019 and going through the pandemic years and
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  of course this year was like basically her coming out party.
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  Yes, definitely. Mm hmm.
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  So this cast is pretty extensive.
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  I'm only going to cover those two.
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  There's other names that we will definitely touch on in the show,
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  but for now, Sorai, what did you think of my dearest?
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  Oh man, that is a scary question.
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  No, I'm just kidding. How do I start and where do I
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  begin? Because I.
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  Girl, I don't know. You're like, get out with it.
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  I do not know. So OK, it's really hard without
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  spoiling it. Now that I now that I'm here,
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  right now, now that I think about it, I'm just like, crap.
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  OK, so at first, I like I said before, I wasn't planning on
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  watching it. However, I was kind of feeling
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  like a Sega drama. I was kind of like Craving 1.
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  And then when I watched it, I was like, oh, this is what I
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  kind of was looking for. Like I was, yes, this is
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  satisfying my craving, my historical Sega drama, too much
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  going on craving. Yeah.
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  So I I actually really, I watching it through.
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  I loved it. I definitely binged it.
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  I do have my some qualms obviously towards the ending,
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  but I think the big thing is that it was something that I was
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  looking for through this year. And I think when I watched, I
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  was like, this is what I've been looking for because this year
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  was kind of weird with dramas. It was like dramas.
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  I I was watching dramas that I I felt like I should like, but
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  then realized I don't think I'm liking these dramas.
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  And then here comes this one. I wasn't expecting much and I
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  was like, oh, this is big. It was a big one.
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  So, yeah, those are my overall thoughts overall.
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  OK, in a nutshell, OK, I'll go a little.
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  I'll go a tiny bit into spoiler territory.
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  Not that much though, not that much.
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  I How do I put this? I didn't start watching until
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  Part 2 had come out, started airing.
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  What is it like 2 episodes a week for Part 2?
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  And then I was like, OK, I'm going to start watching part one
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  and just go straight into Part 2 because I didn't want to wait
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  for episodes. I'm not.
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  I never want to wait for episodes.
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  So this show is so sweeping and so immensely scaled.
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  It's an epic about survival and love.
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  That is the word it's. Yes, it's a gripping storyline.
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  I thought it was sensational. The backdrop of real historical
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  events, the Ching invasion of the 17th century makes the
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  stakes higher, the plot more intense, and I appreciated so
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  many elements that make a drama worth watching, like the great
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  acting, the amazing cinematography, the direction,
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  the writing, my own personal investment in the characters and
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  their growth throughout the series.
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  So many characters saw real change, had arcs, and there is
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  so much commentary that this show does.
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  Deep commentary on gender roles and double standards.
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  Heavy-handed criticism of Confucian ideals and the demands
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  that women be sexually pure victim blaming.
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  In so many ways, I thought that the show was a love letter to
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  the resilience and fortitude of women as they battle like a very
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  internal fight with the fallacy of the patriarchy.
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  And it's so much about sticking together for survival, about
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  being too smart for the era, about that's.
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  A good one. Yeah, yeah.
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  Because they're so smart and and yes and about being the backbone
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  of society when the men tell them that they're so much less.
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  And the only people who actually achieve this dominating
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  Confucian ideal of maintaining loyalty and protecting the
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  family are the women the men like lack throughout the show.
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  Like almost every man except for the male lead is like has some
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  sort of issue that you're like. That's a red flag, even if it is
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  very historically fitting. So I felt like the men and the
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  patriarchy are just taken to task in the show.
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  It holds up a giant mirror to those characters with lofty
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  morals and dreams of serving the nation.
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  These self-proclaimed intellectuals or scholars who
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  get called on their bluff like the plot itself calls them out
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  on their bluff over and over again.
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  And it reminded me a lot of, like, keyboard warriors today.
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  Everyone can be brave online or, you know, when you're talking
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  shit with like your friends and stuff with people in the
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  society, with your teachers and family.
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  But what these people risk it all on a real battlefield, say.
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  That again, girl. Sorry, sorry.
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  It's like, I can't look at you when I say these things because
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  you're like excited and you're like talking me up.
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  It's funny. Excuse me?
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  My. Excuse me.
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  I'm sorry, I get overexcited. My no.
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  No, no, but. Like I said, commentary.
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  It's OK. It's OK.
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  I feel like I'm in church. Like does that make any sense?
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  So it's like, yes, like you're that's right, talking up the
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  passage. So thank you.
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  So. It's like, I mean you're facing
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  right now, so OK. I'm almost done.
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  I swear, no, this is general. Thoughts.
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  I don't know how I was, like, everything you're talking about
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  I felt like was a spoiler, but you just did it beautifully
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  right now, so yeah. I'm not naming names, basically.
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  That's all. I'm not doing.
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  Beautiful. Let me see.
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  It's it's a very grim sometimes sarcastic look at the monarchy
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  and the political system and these traumatic ways of holding
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  national preservation and self-image above human life.
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  And we can talk about the king later and his son and this whole
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  drama. But you know it's like the show
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  also showcases national anguish. Yes.
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  Which is tough to do, right. I think it's tough to do.
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  Like there's some movies that you can see it like if you're
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  it's around 4th of July, these right.
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  There's like these movies that have these really deep
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  patriotism overtones and you feel like a certain way.
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  There's also movies that show national anguish.
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  What's a movie? It's like Schindler's List I
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  feel is a great movie that shows.
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  When I say great movie, like that movie swept at the Oscars,
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  it's like an iconic Holocaust movie.
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  Spielberg did it the same year, Jurassic Park.
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  It's wild. And that movie has a lot of
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  cultural national anguish in it. And this show does that really
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  well. You know, Let me see.
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  There's LGBTQ plus representation in this, which we
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  have to talk about later with that character.
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  But I feel like overall, the show is a masterpiece and you
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  could write a thesis on it if you wanted to.
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  Not that I want to, but I think a lot of people, I don't want to
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  say it's underrated, but when I was looking online for people
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  who had thoughts about my dearest, there were not a lot of
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  people because they don't watch historicals.
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  Yeah, like there's a whole subset of people in in K Drama
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  Land that don't watch Saguks or historicals, and that blows my
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  mind that. Definitely, yeah.
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  Because I'm like how? If you're looking like I'm like,
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  talk to me, talk to. Me how can you?
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  As I was watching the show I was like like how can people not
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  watch like this is what got me into K dramas like exact.
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  I'm speechless right now. I'm speechless.
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  But I I'm just like, how can you not?
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  This is my own personal opinion because I I was talking to
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  myself like how can how can you not like this right here?
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  Like because the reason why I got into K dramas was definitely
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  the culture, even though I didn't understand that at all
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  because I was so young and my frontal lobe wasn't fully
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  developed. But but I loved like seeing
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  something different, you know, and I loved in general, I love
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  period pieces. So even in American films, I
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  love period pieces. So I think it's just amusing, I
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  think because I love just historical period pieces and and
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  I feel like there's something more more romantic and more like
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  land and like how you said epic seeing all that and seeing how
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  how love happened in that era because it's easier now and it's
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  kind of, But back then especially in that type of
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  culture, I always think like, how do they do it?
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  Because literally I'm like, do they do they even have boyfriend
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  girlfriend. Obviously they didn't have
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  boyfriend girlfriend and Joe Sinera.
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  Absolutely not. Like, it's like you're engaged
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  and that's it, you know. And a lot of the times you don't
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  even know who your husband is or who your wife is.
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  And so just to see for me, I'm like, Oh my gosh, now that you
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  can definitely do like a a epic love story with that, doing
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  something that goes against all odds, which I'm a sucker for.
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  Yeah, they're star crossed lovers for for all intents and
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  purposes. I were so emotional.
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  So yeah, yeah, they're star crossed lovers.
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  I think 100% they are. And what I liked about the show
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  as well is that you couldn't tell if it was going to have a
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  happy ending or not. It was.
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  It kept you guessing until the last minute if it was going to
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  happen or not. It did the only thing, OK, yeah.
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  That's rare, right? Like, you can pretty much watch
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  a Cage drama and be like, that's going to happen, yeah.
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  That's true, right? This.
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  This one you start watching and you're like this could go
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  anywhere either. Way, Yeah.
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  Anywhere. No one's safe.
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  No one's safe. No one is safe.
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  That's how I felt, like nobody's safe.
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  They could. All die like smallpox.
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  That could happen again and they all died like you don't know.
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  Yeah, like all they need is a little cough, cough from
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  somebody with tuberculosis or the smallpox and that's it.
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  Like the? End.
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  That's the end of that character.
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  They tell me they died. I'd be like, well, that that
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  tracks, you know, like there's nothing they could do which.
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  Well, I'll say that later, but yeah.
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  I know there's like a lot of like, land spoiler landmines
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  that we're trying to avoid. But let's talk about this
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  filming schedule, because I put on an APB on Instagram and
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  TikTok for people to send in their questions or concerns,
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  things that they wanted us to talk about.
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  Topics, characters, scenes, whatever.
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  And I got AI got a little inundated.
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  So we're going to make our way through these as much as
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  possible. Someone said the crazy filming
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  schedule slash extension episode 21 extended version.
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  They'd filmed for 11 months, but we're still shooting the night
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  before episode 21 and it snowed. Also, Vicki has updated episode
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  21 deleted scenes. Some people probably never saw.
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  The updated 21 also changed the last OST on the beach.
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  Why? So a few things in that that we
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  can break down. The filming schedule was crazy.
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  They were filming for 9 or 10 months, right?
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  Basically the almost the whole year, the whole of 2023 they
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  were filming this. Show I can still see that
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  though. And I can see it because there
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  was a lot of, like, battle scenes, a ton of extras.
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  When you add these things together, this is time.
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  This is Money, right? Because they're hiring all of
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  these people to be in one shot, you know what I'm saying?
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  In one. Little like 2 second.
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  Scene, right, right. So there was a lot of logistics,
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  I'm sure that happened. Costuming that had to be done
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  and they, I think NBC announced that they were going to be
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  extending the drama by one episode because of its
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  popularity, so. Crazy.
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  Yeah, it was leading the ratings in its time slot, ranking first
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  in drama popularity for three consecutive weeks.
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  And then they were like, we got to keep these good vibes
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  rolling. Let's go to 21 episodes, milk it
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  to the end. Yeah, let's milk it.
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  And of course, no one was upset. I was a little scared because
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  whenever they extend the episode for.
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  Sure. I'm like, oh God, I hope they
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  don't ruin it. Yeah, same same girl, same.
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  They did that last year for the red sleeve which went to 17
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  episodes, and this year they did it for my Dears, which went to
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  21 instead of 20. They said that they also wanted
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  to influenced by the desire to fully unfold the story and
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  satisfy the dedicated fans who want to enjoy it for longer.
• 22:57
  Weird way of saying that they wanted to get more money out of
• 23:00
  it, but OK on as far as filming until the last moment.
• 23:08
  On November 15th, this outlet reported that My Dears will
• 23:11
  conduct its final filming on November 16th, just a day before
• 23:15
  the broadcast of the last two episodes, which was on November
• 23:18
  17th and 18th. Subsequently, another outlet
• 23:22
  shared that the drama is expected to.
• 23:24
  I know. I'm like, sorry my commentary.
• 23:27
  Well, it is shocking because you don't expect them to be doing
• 23:31
  that in this day and age, filming so close to the airing
• 23:35
  date. But they did.
• 23:37
  And then this other outlet shared that they were expected
• 23:40
  to conclude final filming in the early morning of November 18th.
• 23:45
  That's the date. Like, that's the day of the last
• 23:49
  episode. When did they have time to edit?
• 23:53
  Well, that's the whole thing, right?
• 23:55
  That was the magic of K dramas back in the day, or the trauma
• 23:58
  of Cage dramas was that they would film week to week and they
• 24:04
  would edit and write the episodes on the fly based on
• 24:07
  audience reaction. And now they largely don't do
• 24:11
  that. And you can see how much time
• 24:13
  and effort Part one and the bulk of Part 2 took to get here.
• 24:18
  And then the last two episodes, I'm sure they were editing and
• 24:22
  cutting and filming up until the last second.
• 24:27
  So that might contribute to some of our nitpicks, I'm sure.
• 24:32
  Like we can pick some nits about this show, let me tell you.
• 24:36
  Yeah. For.
• 24:38
  Sure. Uh, huh.
• 24:38
  So this show also had a bunch of controversy, most most notably
• 24:44
  the plagiarism controversy with Gone With the Wind.
• 24:47
  So in a report cited by a news portal, screenwriter Huang Jing
• 24:53
  Young shared that My Dearest was planned for five years, and she
• 24:58
  had said prior that I wanted to write stories of ordinary people
• 25:03
  who are trapped in a tragic situation.
• 25:06
  I didn't even dare to start writing the script, because the
• 25:09
  Qing invasion is undeniably this history of defeat.
• 25:12
  But the novel Gone With the Wind inspired me to start writing
• 25:15
  casually. So she openly said that Gone
• 25:19
  With the Wind was an inspiration for her and people were like,
• 25:24
  oh, this is plagiarism. It's the same story, blah blah
• 25:27
  blah. And I wouldn't go so far as to
• 25:29
  say it's it's plagiarism. I would say she took the broad
• 25:36
  strokes of Gone With the Wind for sure and sort of like the
• 25:39
  bones of it and re skinned it. This is a retelling, a loose
• 25:43
  retelling. That's how it was sold to me as
• 25:45
  well when I was reading up on Gone With the Wind.
• 25:47
  It's like, right, Not Gone With the Wind.
• 25:48
  When I was reading Up on My Dearest was that it was a loose
• 25:51
  retelling of Gone With the Wind and I thought, oh, this is going
• 25:55
  to be crazy. Yeah, yeah.
• 25:58
  When I first heard that, it was like Gone with the Wind.
• 26:02
  I was like, what? What would it look like?
• 26:08
  Like what? So I was kind of, I was a little
• 26:10
  bit concerned because I literally thought it was like an
• 26:13
  like an adaptation. Like, literally, Like, they took
• 26:17
  Gone With the Wind and they're just doing it all like, you
• 26:20
  know, in just an era. But when I watched it, I
• 26:23
  honestly didn't get those vibes. Was I looking for those vibes?
• 26:26
  Yes. Was I looking for like, OK,
• 26:29
  Who's Who or whatever? Like, yeah.
• 26:31
  But then towards, like, as I kept watching, I kind of forgot
• 26:33
  about Gone With the Wind. I'm not going to lie.
• 26:35
  By Part 2, though, the plot was not the same as Gone with the
• 26:42
  Wind. Like, Again, broad strokes are
• 26:44
  there. The character archetypes are
• 26:46
  there for sure, but as far as like where they took the plot,
• 26:51
  no, that's not the same as Gone With THE Wind.
• 26:53
  So I can't really subscribe to the fact that she plagiarized
• 26:56
  Gone With The Wind. Like get Off, Get out of that.
• 26:58
  Like, did you watch? Settle down.
• 27:00
  Did you watch the show? #1 #2 Have you?
• 27:03
  This is a big #2. Have you watched Gone with the
• 27:06
  Wind? I think the answer is yes.
• 27:07
  Yeah, but like like with my. No, you don't need to say.
• 27:13
  What? You watched.
• 27:13
  You watched it. OK, because what I didn't know
• 27:18
  until interacting with people on social media was that a lot of
• 27:23
  people have not seen or read Gone With the Wind AM.
• 27:27
  I that. Old and that alarmed me and it
• 27:30
  baffled me it. Doesn't know Gone.
• 27:33
  I was like you. That's what I That's what I
• 27:36
  said. I was like you don't have any
• 27:38
  clue about the story. Clark Gable Every ROM Com and.
• 27:44
  Literally I was like this. OK, the big dresses like.
• 27:49
  I know, I know. Like we're we're on.
• 27:52
  The same piece, But yeah, we're looking at each other's shot.
• 27:57
  So Clark Gable as Rhett Butler. Vivian Lee as Scarlett O'Hara,
• 28:01
  1939 Best Picture winner, swept the Oscars.
• 28:05
  Who doesn't know who's? Such an important Who doesn't
• 28:08
  know Scarlett O'Hare? So anyway, it is such an
• 28:11
  important part of film history and it's wildly controversial
• 28:16
  snapshot of the pre and post American Civil War South in
• 28:20
  regards to its portrayal of slavery.
• 28:21
  So with that being said, my dearest does showcase a ton of
• 28:28
  slavery, yes, even in a tangent, tangential way, sexual slavery
• 28:34
  as well. But this is like a big question,
• 28:37
  so if you want to answer it later, that's fine.
• 28:41
  I wonder if we can draw any conclusions from this, like,
• 28:45
  especially as a Western audience, as to how Korea feels
• 28:48
  about it enslaving its own people no matter the colour of
• 28:52
  their skin and the ching enslaving Koreans.
• 28:56
  Like perhaps the political approach taken by the Royals in
• 29:00
  the show is the biggest sin. I don't know.
• 29:05
  Like, did you have any thoughts about the portrayal of slavery
• 29:09
  in this show in My dearest? Can I say it without?
• 29:13
  Like, should I wait for later? I'll say this though, like I
• 29:22
  think it was very I think it was insane exactly what you said.
• 29:26
  How? I'll wait for later.
• 29:29
  I'll wait for later. You'll wait for later.
• 29:31
  OK, we'll circle back to the slavery question.
• 29:34
  Here's also what I'll say in regards to Gone with the Wind.
• 29:36
  So what my dearest, does extremely well, which feels very
• 29:43
  gone with the Windish, is bring to life a world of Fair maidens
• 29:48
  and brave men, of gallantry and chivalry and civility, of master
• 29:55
  and slave. As the opening of Gone with the
• 29:57
  Wind says, it's a world of flower picking festivals, much
• 30:01
  like the elaborate barbecue on a plantation at the beginning of
• 30:06
  Gone with the Wind. It's about it has these like my
• 30:10
  Dears has these Technicolor silk on handbooks and these scenes of
• 30:14
  just It's like a utopia for the elite, for the nobility.
• 30:19
  And it's a world that even by the end of the show never
• 30:24
  reappears. It dies.
• 30:28
  And it's a historical study, true too, of the Qing invasion
• 30:33
  and its effects on Tolson. It's people at all levels and
• 30:37
  the future of that of Korea. And just like the beginning of
• 30:42
  Gone with the Wind says it's a civilization Gone with the wind.
• 30:47
  That is. What's magical and interesting
• 30:49
  too, about the show is that these people lose their way of
• 30:54
  life, but they still have slaves.
• 30:57
  Yep. Yeah.
• 31:00
  Sorry, I'm. Just.
• 31:03
  Like yeah and and that's exactly what I was feeling when I as I
• 31:06
  was watching like especially towards the end like they're
• 31:09
  literally they don't even they're obviously divided you
• 31:13
  know and easily easily divided within themselves and that's
• 31:18
  exactly what the like I I I apologize if I offend anyone or
• 31:23
  if I say something incorrectly just because I'm really bad with
• 31:26
  names and I'm not I like watching historical stuff but
• 31:29
  I'm not a historical person so that's.
• 31:31
  It's hypocritical of me. Oh yeah.
• 31:33
  Yes, thanks. Please help me.
• 31:35
  But I just it was exactly, exactly what you said like the
• 31:39
  fact that they I just, I thought it was interesting how they kind
• 31:45
  of they were they were they thought that the Ching, which
• 31:50
  they did brought them down but it was within themselves because
• 31:53
  of I guess well it's a. Spoiler They caused division.
• 31:58
  They caused division without even causing division.
• 32:01
  They did 'cause major division, but they also did the more like
• 32:05
  the emotional and mental intelligence, division between
• 32:08
  themselves, especially with the Crown Prince and the king, and
• 32:12
  you know what I'm saying? And and then even within the
• 32:15
  people themselves. Right.
• 32:19
  It exasperated issues that were already there.
• 32:23
  So yeah, it's it's, it's interesting to say the least, to
• 32:29
  see how it all unfolds and to see what the effects are on the
• 32:35
  regular people, on the nobility, on the women who have gone
• 32:39
  through this terrible, terrible ordeal to the slaves and the
• 32:43
  people that are still captive in the chain as well.
• 32:49
  You know, how are they, which like are how are they
• 32:52
  negotiating to get them out of this?
• 32:55
  Because these are citizens of of Tolson.
• 32:59
  So that is crazy. And it is very close Cleaves,
• 33:07
  very close to Gone With the Wind territory, especially the
• 33:11
  juxtaposition of the beginning and the end of the show, you're
• 33:15
  like, this is a whole new world they did not get back.
• 33:17
  It almost you know. Where they were.
• 33:20
  They were in a glass castle and it was completely broken because
• 33:24
  like nobility and like, so all my terms are gone today,
• 33:31
  apparently. But like, you know, like they're
• 33:34
  like the they're, gosh, you know, the confusion, the ideals
• 33:40
  of like, they have to be there has to be nobility.
• 33:43
  There has to be like, you know, there has to be that separation
• 33:46
  when it came to the that war and the, you know, the the invasion,
• 33:50
  all that stuff. It didn't matter who you were
• 33:53
  once. It leveled everybody.
• 33:54
  Like, especially when when someone who was a noble woman
• 34:00
  got captured, it didn't matter. Yes, even though she was saying
• 34:05
  I'm a noble woman, I'm a noble woman.
• 34:06
  They're like and especially when she set foot in Shimyang.
• 34:11
  So like, you're in Shimyang, Justin doesn't matter anymore.
• 34:15
  Which is, to me, I was like, wow.
• 34:17
  Like, they literally were in a glass castle of like very
• 34:22
  conservative. And then this happened.
• 34:24
  And then everything starts shattering and they start
• 34:28
  shattering mentally. And yeah, obviously the key.
• 34:31
  Yeah, so. So yeah, I I think that's also a
• 34:38
  big part of the show and a parallel with Gone With the
• 34:41
  Wind. The other controversy for my
• 34:45
  dearest was I think in earlier like May 2023, NBC had to sever
• 34:51
  ties with an external company supplying the background actors,
• 34:54
  which we've mentioned earlier. There were a ton of background
• 34:56
  actors on the show following the revelation that this actor had a
• 35:02
  sexual assault case back in 2004.
• 35:05
  A background actor and they basically hired someone who
• 35:08
  basically was blacklisted, was supposed to be blacklisted in
• 35:11
  the in the industry and I don't know, along along with the
• 35:16
  plagiarism, which didn't seem very fair, but this one I was
• 35:20
  like oh that's a little. Yeah.
• 35:23
  So that was the other controversy for the show was
• 35:25
  that they hired a sexual assault.
• 35:29
  And that kind of dude, that kind of frustrates me because I'm not
• 35:33
  going to I I have to be honest, like I was really, as much as I
• 35:36
  loved this show, I was very frustrated because I was
• 35:41
  applying a lot of stuff to myself in this in the way you
• 35:45
  know. You're a.
• 35:46
  What do you mean? OK, For example, just like you
• 35:49
  said, like a guy who's blacklisted.
• 35:51
  Got right, got hired. Yeah, it's just kind of a
• 35:56
  reminder of how it was back in the day.
• 35:57
  Like I could not stop thinking of like if I were, well,
• 36:01
  obviously, like I was just so frustrated even though there's
• 36:06
  nothing I could do about it. But I was frustrated how the the
• 36:09
  men, like, the men can just do whatever they want, can sleep
• 36:13
  with whatever they want, and they're clean and they're pure,
• 36:16
  but just one, just by one like touch, like from a barbarian and
• 36:24
  they're defiled or just even like even like an encounter, you
• 36:29
  know? And it's like, I don't, I don't
• 36:31
  like hearing when when when like you know people who are who have
• 36:37
  that in the background are are hired because it's like like how
• 36:43
  come you guys make a big deal out of the dumbest things if
• 36:47
  like if it's like a woman or if it's like something else that I
• 36:50
  don't, I don't want to get into it.
• 36:52
  Yeah, like other things. Like even like something
• 36:58
  bullying versus, like, sex assault.
• 37:02
  Right. You know, not obviously.
• 37:05
  They're both bad. But like, how come one is being
• 37:09
  swept under the rug and then someone just gets us like,
• 37:13
  knocked down, loses their career for something that, you know, I
• 37:18
  don't know. I don't want to get into it.
• 37:20
  But yeah, I was just thinking about it a lot during this show.
• 37:22
  Like the frustration, like, how come, like, why?
• 37:31
  Why is it that if it's a man doing it, it's OK?
• 37:35
  Or it's like, oh, it's not a big deal.
• 37:36
  It's not a big deal, but it's a woman.
• 37:37
  It's like, oh, no, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta excellent,
• 37:43
  you gotta, you know, that's just one part of it.
• 37:46
  There's other stuff, but yeah. Yeah.
• 37:49
  So I guess we should mention now trigger warning for anyone who's
• 37:53
  listening about No, it's we gotta talk about anyway.
• 37:57
  Trigger warning about sexual assault, suicide and just
• 38:07
  violence, I guess toward women and and children and elderly
• 38:12
  people. So do you want to talk about the
• 38:17
  acting? Because I think that is a big,
• 38:21
  big reason why this show sort of works.
• 38:23
  Right. So you have Nam Kumene, who's
• 38:25
  leading the charge. He's the male lead.
• 38:28
  I think he's the one who largely made the show what it is, Like.
• 38:33
  He took my breath away. He was so skillful in presenting
• 38:38
  this character and inhabiting Chang Hyun truly, and he has
• 38:43
  these extremely expressive eyes. He sure does.
• 38:48
  He's like a micro expression queen king and I think there was
• 38:52
  AI know, I think there was like just a genuineness to him that
• 38:57
  kept me riveted. He hit the comedic bits
• 38:59
  perfectly and he nailed all the emotional beats as well.
• 39:03
  How did you feel about this man? So somehow I fell in love.
• 39:09
  I'm just kidding. I always say that, but I feel
• 39:15
  like it was so well casted. I think throughout the entire
• 39:18
  drama I was watching, I was like this show is just like perfectly
• 39:21
  casted. This is well casted.
• 39:24
  He took, he took this role. He just like, I don't know if it
• 39:30
  would have worked with anyone else, who knows?
• 39:33
  But I feel like he just amazed me when there was moments where
• 39:37
  like there was a lot of scenes where he didn't say anything,
• 39:42
  right. He had no lines at all and like,
• 39:45
  he didn't have to say anything. And it's so funny because
• 39:48
  there's so many scenes where they ask him questions and he's
• 39:51
  just there. He doesn't say anything at all
• 39:53
  and they answer or they they ask another question and he's just
• 39:56
  like, I mean I can't get, I can't, you know give the facial
• 40:00
  expressions that he does, but. They'll ask him something and
• 40:04
  he's just like, he'll do his thing and then they'll ask him.
• 40:08
  They're like they're having a conversation with him and he's
• 40:10
  just there. Like he's just there.
• 40:13
  And you know what he's saying. And I'm like, Oh my gosh, I I
• 40:17
  haven't seen that in a really long time.
• 40:19
  It was very refreshing to see him, to see the his.
• 40:23
  The way he portrayed this role was so, so refreshing to me.
• 40:28
  I was like, this is like, this is a man.
• 40:30
  This is a man. This is a man.
• 40:33
  This is not like an actor trying to be a man.
• 40:36
  This is a man. Just being a man.
• 40:38
  And exactly what you say. Like, so genuine too.
• 40:41
  I thought it was very, very genuine.
• 40:44
  Yeah. And yeah.
• 40:47
  Yeah, loved him. So good, what did you think
• 40:50
  about our kill Che, played by An and Jen?
• 40:57
  So I liked her. Female lead.
• 41:01
  I liked her. You liked her?
• 41:04
  I have to say though, at the beginning, I had to warm up to
• 41:09
  her at the beginning, which is OK.
• 41:12
  It's. I mean, I mean, it's OK because
• 41:13
  like, it's like the first couple episodes, there's the actors are
• 41:17
  getting used to their characters, yadda yadda.
• 41:20
  Which is fine. But for me, I was like, OK, like
• 41:22
  she's cute. I like what she's doing.
• 41:27
  I I, yeah. But I liked her.
• 41:29
  I liked her. You liked her?
• 41:33
  Yeah, on that note, she said. Anand Jin said it was really
• 41:38
  difficult to approach period genre series to portray Yugi
• 41:42
  Che. I always question myself if
• 41:45
  there was, if this was the right way.
• 41:47
  I started with getting myself used to the dialect first, so I
• 41:52
  had to study the script more than I did with previous ones.
• 41:56
  Towards the beginning of the production I focused on getting
• 41:58
  used to the genre and now I've come to be more comfortable
• 42:01
  around the set and found more room to express what I want.
• 42:04
  It might not be perfect, but as you see from you's perspective,
• 42:07
  you will be able to follow her story.
• 42:09
  So I asked for much love. So she was basically like,
• 42:11
  forgive me, this is a a big tall order for me to speak in a
• 42:17
  different dialect. The saguks are notoriously
• 42:19
  difficult. It's a whole different style of
• 42:23
  speaking and inflections and different things, and I think
• 42:27
  she did very well considering that this is such a layered
• 42:32
  character and I want to touch on the fact that so many people
• 42:36
  were upset with this character. OK, can I?
• 42:40
  Because I say though like they match really well and.
• 42:44
  They kept up with. Each other.
• 42:46
  Really. Well, I just want to say that I
• 42:48
  did like her. I just wanted.
• 42:50
  OK, go ahead, go. Ahead, I agree.
• 42:52
  I agree that they complemented each other very well.
• 42:56
  And one thing about this couple is that this is a big age gap
• 43:00
  between them. Ten years Nam Nam Kun Min is 45
• 43:04
  years old in real life. Oh, wow. 45 I'm in Jen is 32 Oh.
• 43:09
  Snap. OK.
• 43:12
  So that's thirteen years between them, 13 year age gap, that's
• 43:17
  huge age gap in real life. And I do feel like that is the
• 43:21
  age gap in the characters as well.
• 43:24
  I think she starts to show as a teenager.
• 43:27
  She ends the show maybe in her 30s.
• 43:30
  I agree. There's a one point where he
• 43:32
  does say like, I'm way much older than you and it doesn't
• 43:35
  say. Yeah, he says.
• 43:36
  I'm basically waiting for you to grow up because you're so
• 43:38
  charming and cool and like bad ass right now, but you you have
• 43:43
  some growing to do like internally.
• 43:47
  Yep, yes, yes. You need a girl as a person
• 43:49
  before you're like ready. For me, that's when he basically
• 43:52
  told her at one point and she was like, what the hell do you
• 43:55
  mean? And as an audience, like we
• 43:58
  totally understand where he's coming from.
• 44:00
  But it is an age gap romance. He is way older than her, same
• 44:04
  same as Gone With the Wind as well.
• 44:06
  Like Brett Butler's supposed to be a man and I think she's a
• 44:11
  teenager when she starts the the Movie or Slash book and it is a
• 44:16
  span of 12 years in Gone with the Wind.
• 44:19
  I also feel like this is a large span of time.
• 44:22
  Especially when they talk about like, yeah, years ago and I'm
• 44:25
  like, I swear I just saw two years ago on the thing I'm like,
• 44:29
  oh, OK, we're doing all righty then, I think.
• 44:34
  I think it's the same, right? Like it's got to be at least a
• 44:36
  decade between the first episode and the last episode of the
• 44:41
  show. So something to keep in mind
• 44:43
  there. As far as people getting upset
• 44:46
  with the character, I didn't quite understand.
• 44:49
  I understand, but I also don't understand because she's so much
• 44:56
  like Scarlett O'Hara who is prideful and stubborn and vain
• 45:02
  and petulant. But she's soft hearted where it
• 45:05
  counts and tactical where it counts.
• 45:08
  And she's resilient and defiant and self assured and courageous.
• 45:12
  And I love that fierceness about both of them, The fact that
• 45:17
  she's flawed, she's human, she does make mistakes.
• 45:21
  And who's that going to make mistakes?
• 45:23
  We all Jack. Up when Look around what's
• 45:26
  what's happening around her? Yeah, for sure.
• 45:31
  Yeah, I really liked. I mean, I like both characters,
• 45:35
  but I liked when I first start towards the beginning, I liked
• 45:39
  seeing like how she was so honest and why people the
• 45:44
  character, why everyone's like oh she's so like out there.
• 45:47
  She's like so brazen or she's so whatever.
• 45:51
  Like she's you know I'm just like she's literally just being
• 45:55
  herself and she's honest and she's like do.
• 45:58
  Especially when like she's she's trying to follow her friend's
• 46:01
  lead and doing like cutie stuff and like say like they're like
• 46:06
  doing. So for example, like they're
• 46:08
  trying to do something and they have to be on their knees for a
• 46:10
  long time and she's just like, Oh my God man, he's hurt like
• 46:14
  she's not. I think they were praying.
• 46:17
  She's like, and then she's OK and I'm like that is so real.
• 46:21
  Like, yeah, in reality, like as much as ladylike as I would like
• 46:27
  to be a lot of times. It's hard.
• 46:32
  It's hard. She is like, I like the fact
• 46:34
  that she was Oprah. She was genuine about how, like,
• 46:40
  there's a lot of things like the fact that she the way when she
• 46:43
  would cry, when she when she found out so and so and so and
• 46:47
  so we're getting married and she was like, crying.
• 46:51
  Yeah, like just crying. She wasn't like.
• 46:53
  She was just like, wailing to her heart, like.
• 46:56
  Yeah, like a child. Like a child.
• 46:59
  And then if she's doing something that's supposed to be
• 47:03
  like kind or nice, but if it's uncomfortable for her, she says
• 47:06
  it's uncomfortable for her. So, like, this is uncomfortable
• 47:08
  or this hurts, but I really enjoyed that.
• 47:11
  She was like, that just made her real.
• 47:15
  Yeah, I think she was a fully realized character and she does
• 47:19
  have a a really great arc that we can talk about in the
• 47:22
  spoiler. Section She does.
• 47:24
  You know, just like her man's. Oh, by the end of the show,
• 47:26
  she's a different. Person.
• 47:27
  She. I have so much to say about her,
• 47:31
  but OK, yeah, yes. And then him too.
• 47:34
  But yeah. Yes.
• 47:35
  OK. So why don't we do this?
• 47:36
  Why don't we talk about our ratings for the show and then
• 47:41
  we'll just get into the spoiler section because girl, I think
• 47:43
  we've had enough of, like, dancing around the characters
• 47:47
  and what happens to them and all this stuff.
• 47:48
  OK, So what would you give this show out of Five Soldier
• 47:52
  bottles? OK this is so hard I would like
• 47:58
  to give the show if wait no that is that makes no sense.
• 48:07
  Can I do 4 social bottle Soulju bottles and a shot of Soulju?
• 48:14
  Yeah, like a 4.94 point. Five, yeah.
• 48:19
  I'm very like recency bias right now, especially I'm kind of on
• 48:23
  that high so. Talk about it.
• 48:26
  Yes, speak on it. So there's a thing called
• 48:28
  recency bias, which I I completely agree with.
• 48:31
  It's basically you're too close to the thing.
• 48:33
  You need to give it some time before you can the Rose colored
• 48:37
  glasses come off and the experience wears off and you can
• 48:39
  kind of see the flaws, see what it is for real in comparison to
• 48:42
  other things as well, things that are a little bit older and
• 48:46
  so I also think that it is a 4, 1/2, maybe even 5.
• 48:50
  Soldier bottles, But I was like, I don't want to be extra.
• 48:55
  I think it's a four and A5. Let's do 4 1/2 for me, 4 1/2
• 48:59
  Soldier bottles and then you got four in a in a shot because it
• 49:04
  is excellent. I'm not gonna deny it's
• 49:06
  excellent. I think there are The plot gets
• 49:11
  a little wobbly towards the end of the show.
• 49:13
  I think Part 2 wasn't as strong as part one, but overall it is a
• 49:17
  feat. It is to do this type of show so
• 49:20
  well and to get people on board and really sort of sell the
• 49:26
  thing, you know what I'm saying? There's other shows that I've
• 49:29
  done it really well and still the endings are a little wobbly.
• 49:32
  But at the end of the day, you're like, that was a fucking
• 49:34
  great show. Like Mr. Sunshine, it's one of
• 49:37
  those shows. The red sleeve is another one of
• 49:40
  those shows where you're like, Oh my God, that's a masterpiece.
• 49:43
  But the ending we got, there's some things that I'm like, I can
• 49:48
  nitpick here and there about this or that, but overall it's a
• 49:53
  great experience, a great watch and I don't regret anything that
• 49:58
  happened. It made me feel things.
• 50:00
  Like I felt like everything. I felt the I I was swelled.
• 50:07
  I was swell. I was like I I felt everything.
• 50:10
  I was like feeling things. I'm not just like watching like,
• 50:15
  you know, watching. I'm just like, right, I'm being
• 50:19
  enveloped. You can't passively watch this
• 50:20
  show. You have to, you know, Eyes,
• 50:23
  ears, hearts open when you watch my dears.
• 50:26
  For sure, Even when I was like, all right, I'm so sorry, No,
• 50:30
  keep going. Like, I get on my phone like,
• 50:32
  naturally or by an extinct, and then I look up.
• 50:35
  I'm like, what happened? I'm actually usually I don't
• 50:38
  rewind, but at this show I was rewinding.
• 50:41
  I was like, no, hold on, let me put my phone away.
• 50:43
  I can't miss this. Yeah, I would do that too.
• 50:48
  I would like try and write a note down and then I'd be like,
• 50:51
  wait, I missed something And then I'd be like, Oh no, I can't
• 50:54
  do that. I I honestly didn't write any
• 50:57
  notes. During.
• 50:58
  My watch of the show. It was after the show had ended
• 51:01
  in like weeks later that I was like, OK, I need to sit down and
• 51:03
  like get this all out, but that's so rare for me.
• 51:06
  I usually write things down as the show is ending while I'm
• 51:10
  watching, but I did not this time.
• 51:12
  I needed my full attention. Feel that it was hard, OK?
• 51:17
  All right, so we're going to get into the spoiler section, so if
• 51:21
  you don't care to be spoiled, keep listening.
• 51:22
  If you want to go off and watch my dears all 21 episodes, I
• 51:25
  highly recommend you do that before coming back and listening
• 51:29
  to the spoiler section. We'll see you on the other side.
• 51:38
  You want to come in? All right.
• 51:40
  We're on the other side of spoilers.
• 51:41
  That's all right. Where do you want to start?
• 51:44
  I think let's go back to the slavery thing that you like
• 51:46
  skipped over. So talk to me about slavery and
• 51:49
  my tears. Just such AI know it's OK.
• 51:55
  I think there was a phrase like, I'm just gonna, like, copy you
• 52:00
  today, 'cause you're just saying, like, the right, correct
• 52:02
  terms and phrases. You said something about it was
• 52:05
  a they had a reflection of themselves or they had a mirror
• 52:09
  to themselves, right? Yeah, I feel like.
• 52:11
  There's a big, big mirror to society.
• 52:13
  To society, I feel like that was like it was interesting to see
• 52:19
  in that culture, because I was like no one.
• 52:21
  There's no there's discrimination without
• 52:24
  discrimination. You know, like no one is.
• 52:29
  You're like there's nothing. Guys are the same.
• 52:31
  I don't get it. No, there's discrimination
• 52:34
  without discrimination if that makes no sense.
• 52:37
  But like that no one is safe, you know?
• 52:40
  And it's crazy. How?
• 52:42
  How, like you said, like they were enslaved.
• 52:45
  And then within themselves they have that slavery.
• 52:49
  And I was like, and to me, I'm just like, Oh my gosh, it's just
• 52:54
  you. You see, that's just a part of
• 52:56
  everything else of how how blind, how blind, how blind, you
• 53:05
  know, they were or they can be. I'm just going to stick to the
• 53:09
  show how how blind they they were to see like literally what
• 53:14
  they're doing, what they're doing to you.
• 53:17
  You guys are doing, you've been doing or you guys are doing to
• 53:19
  them? I think there's a difference
• 53:24
  between the slavery in Korea and the slavery in the Ching when
• 53:28
  they get captured and taken away.
• 53:31
  And I'm not sure if this is accurate.
• 53:35
  You know what I'm saying? Like, I think that the it's the
• 53:40
  same problem as Gone With the Wind where it's like this
• 53:42
  idyllic society where the slaves are not.
• 53:46
  They're treated well and like nothing's wrong here.
• 53:49
  And they're happy to be working the fields and, you know,
• 53:53
  dealing with the house and having, you know, having a
• 53:57
  master and stuff like that. And that's not.
• 53:59
  Being friends with your. I mean, that's problematic.
• 54:02
  Friends are like, yeah, I mean, it's not like it's not possible,
• 54:08
  but exactly what you were saying.
• 54:10
  So the fact that, you know, shit basically goes down in the chain
• 54:16
  and not necessarily in Korean society, I don't know, like the
• 54:21
  only time where I'm like, oh, this is a real negative
• 54:23
  portrayal of slavery in Korea is that back story that we get with
• 54:28
  Chung Hyun and his father and him killing the kid that was in
• 54:33
  love with his daughter and stuff like that.
• 54:35
  Like that story is like, oh, and we got that super late in the
• 54:40
  show. We got, yeah.
• 54:44
  In that scene I was like. I mean that we could talk about
• 54:46
  a little bit, OK, I don't know if we should talk about it now
• 54:49
  or later, but like, that's a nitpick.
• 54:50
  But I do too. I do too.
• 54:53
  Regardless, I think there's. I'm not sure what we can say in
• 54:57
  conclusion about my dearest and slavery other than it seems
• 55:02
  incomplete and not necessarily portrayed to the in the best way
• 55:10
  because they were so they were so accurate with other things,
• 55:16
  right? Like what happened and the whole
• 55:18
  invasion and the way that the Ching look.
• 55:21
  They did their homework like this isn't like a party city
• 55:25
  looking group of people that came to invade Korea like they
• 55:31
  look real, right? This looks like a real quasi
• 55:35
  Mongolian force that calms down. And then the way that their
• 55:40
  whole society looks when we're in Shimyang, it's a well formed
• 55:49
  like portrayal of them. And of course the slavery over
• 55:53
  there is like brutal and and and terrible and then they don't
• 55:58
  necessarily do the same hard look.
• 56:03
  Yeah, but they don't do the same hard look for the Tolson like
• 56:08
  slavery, so. It was in their face, but they
• 56:10
  were like. Right.
• 56:12
  What? Happened.
• 56:14
  No, we're cool here. I don't know.
• 56:16
  We're cool here. So let's talk about the Let's
• 56:22
  talk about the character Jong Hyun and just his, the way he
• 56:27
  starts to show and the way that he ends the show.
• 56:30
  Because I feel like he is so, so cool and so central to
• 56:34
  everything. Because at the at the beginning
• 56:36
  of the show, he has, like this inability to commit to a
• 56:40
  relationship and the story of him hanging out like sans
• 56:44
  chaperone with a young maiden and then him not proposing
• 56:47
  marriage that's taken straight from Gone with the Wind.
• 56:50
  He's a scoundrel, a man who's not bound by restrictive social
• 56:55
  norms or patriotism. He's pragmatic, not dogmatic.
• 57:00
  He's at odds with the conservative Korean society.
• 57:03
  And by the end of the show, he's undoubtedly one of the most
• 57:08
  heroic characters in K drama, and he finds something worth
• 57:12
  fighting for. And it's her.
• 57:15
  It's his deep love for Kilje and the compulsion to keep her
• 57:19
  alive. And it's also this big sense of
• 57:23
  justice and compassion for the Korean slaves that were taken as
• 57:27
  captives to Ching. He's doing like these explosive
• 57:31
  defenses of his people and the woman he loves.
• 57:35
  He'll do anything for what's right versus doing anything for
• 57:39
  himself. And that's how he was at the
• 57:42
  beginning of the show. But all of this with like this
• 57:46
  calculated calm and that is fun to see.
• 57:53
  And I don't know if you had anything else to say about Tang
• 57:58
  Hyung, because I thought he was such a great part of the show.
• 58:03
  He definitely was my favorite character for sure.
• 58:08
  I'm just gonna say he was definitely my favorite
• 58:11
  character. I obviously was rooting for him
• 58:14
  and I just the fact that everything you mentioned, I I
• 58:19
  fell in love with him for that. I'm like can that be like a real
• 58:22
  man like that Like he he's just, he comes out of nowhere and
• 58:27
  everyone's talking about him like oh who's this guy?
• 58:29
  Or like oh he's definitely a fake this or like he's such a
• 58:33
  coward or he's this or like he mocks like, you know our ideas,
• 58:37
  our ideals. He mocks like, you know the
• 58:41
  monarchy. He marks like he he's he he's
• 58:44
  like, oh, he has this like whole unmarried concept that he wants
• 58:48
  to do and he wants to do whatever he wants and stuff like
• 58:50
  that. And I don't know why I feel like
• 58:54
  that was so freeing. Like I I saw him.
• 58:57
  I'm like, he's just like so free and he doesn't care.
• 59:00
  And because of that, it was so easy for him to fight for what
• 59:03
  he wanted to fight for. From my opinion, especially when
• 59:06
  he fell in love with her and I I was like, it all started because
• 59:13
  he was like, oh, I'm a bucket. When, you know the first time
• 59:15
  that they were going to in the little little Nunguri where they
• 59:19
  had, they were like forming this little militia to go and save
• 59:22
  the king. And he was.
• 59:24
  Like peace out this. No, I'm I'm I'm heading out to
• 59:29
  this this this sounds this is like dumb.
• 59:32
  I'm gonna leave in my terms. Obviously you said it better
• 59:35
  than I did. But he and then you know once he
• 59:39
  once he knew that it it involved her because you know because she
• 59:48
  was in love with another man. Is it?
• 59:51
  Is it crazy? That was a home and.
• 59:53
  Like he I was just like bro, like he's like, I'm going to
• 59:56
  make sure he's safe for her sake, you know?
• 1:00:01
  Yeah. Like, yeah.
• 1:00:02
  Who does that? What kind of man is that?
• 1:00:04
  You know, like, what kind of man?
• 1:00:05
  Obviously. Like he didn't do the the
• 1:00:08
  regular. Like, what?
• 1:00:10
  You want to see what you want from an actual man?
• 1:00:12
  Like, OK, like, I want marriage. I want this.
• 1:00:15
  I want that. He wasn't doing any of that, but
• 1:00:17
  he was doing like even grander things.
• 1:00:19
  He was doing even better things. He's like she's he saved her so
• 1:00:23
  many times. And from there it kind of
• 1:00:26
  trickled like this whole. Here's the thing, like, I I
• 1:00:29
  thought that it started with his love for her because he wanted
• 1:00:33
  to make sure she's safe, you know, and make sure she's OK And
• 1:00:36
  then from there he's he joined, you know, the he joined the war.
• 1:00:41
  He joined, You know, he started helping out with like all these
• 1:00:45
  different political, you know, scenarios and stuff like that
• 1:00:47
  because he's really smart, very very smart, very intelligent.
• 1:00:53
  He knows how to, like, play people.
• 1:00:54
  He knows how to play. Like he knows how to play the
• 1:00:57
  game between, like, politics and between Ching and between Josen.
• 1:01:01
  And he knows how to talk with people and he knows how to like
• 1:01:05
  he knows, you said calculating and exactly like he knew.
• 1:01:08
  He knew other people's next move.
• 1:01:10
  And before they make that next move, he would say like do this
• 1:01:13
  and that because this person's going to do this.
• 1:01:15
  He was very like that. But I'm like, that was so
• 1:01:18
  attractive to me because I'm like because here here's what I
• 1:01:24
  I wrote somewhere I said this male lead is proactive.
• 1:01:29
  I love, we love a proactive male lead.
• 1:01:33
  Like a proactive male lead. Like he's always proactive.
• 1:01:38
  He's always doing something, whether it's for her or if it's
• 1:01:42
  like from there, then like he started.
• 1:01:44
  Obviously, like you said it, it started with her.
• 1:01:47
  OK, well, he's always been what's?
• 1:01:50
  Weird is that the protection, the protection extended beyond
• 1:01:53
  her. Exactly from their.
• 1:01:55
  It was like, Oh yes, like people that she cared about, including
• 1:02:02
  his, his love rival, the man that she loves, who does that.
• 1:02:08
  That's true love right there. Not here, I don't say.
• 1:02:12
  I'm just kidding. Yeah, yes, very proactive.
• 1:02:15
  And I love when a male lead is proactive and and not just like
• 1:02:20
  he, he definitely was proactive and doing something in general
• 1:02:24
  actually helping out and making some kind of difference and
• 1:02:28
  using, you know whatever He has read over resources he has, but
• 1:02:32
  he was also proactive with her and I love that even though at
• 1:02:36
  first she was, he was like like I know that that also counts.
• 1:02:40
  He told you straight up like I I'm gonna.
• 1:02:44
  I'm living the unmarried life. But I like you, you know, like
• 1:02:47
  this, you know you don't like he was straight up from the
• 1:02:50
  beginning. This is what I this is what I
• 1:02:53
  want for right now. But I really like you.
• 1:02:55
  I want you in my life. She's like, Oh no.
• 1:02:57
  And then it keeps going like he's always proactive with her.
• 1:03:01
  Like he never he always is straight up with her and tells
• 1:03:04
  her like, well, except for except for except for some.
• 1:03:11
  You know when he saved, when she saved her like from like 17
• 1:03:15
  soldiers or 13 soldiers. But anyways, we're.
• 1:03:18
  Oh, yeah, right. That was, that was like a little
• 1:03:20
  a big life. So I I like I said Gilche goes
• 1:03:26
  through a big change throughout the show and she saw the most
• 1:03:30
  growth. Yes, to me, she her teenage
• 1:03:34
  immaturity, her nonchalance over the serious Ching invasion, the
• 1:03:39
  way she's too. She's so shallow and feisty and
• 1:03:43
  outspoken, and she comes into her adulthood with a compelling
• 1:03:48
  inner strength that taps it. She taps into it during the war
• 1:03:52
  years, the invasion years, and she later runs her own business.
• 1:03:56
  She takes responsibility for her helpless circle of dependence.
• 1:04:01
  Her family and the servants slash slaves.
• 1:04:04
  And to me, people were also seemingly upset with Kilche
• 1:04:10
  because she doesn't choose him time and time again.
• 1:04:14
  OK. And it seemed like I I honestly
• 1:04:19
  didn't hold it against her at all.
• 1:04:20
  That she kept was like, no, and like didn't understand her own
• 1:04:24
  feelings and all this stuff for so long.
• 1:04:26
  He was the right person at the wrong time. 100,000 percent
• 1:04:30
  100,000. Percent so.
• 1:04:33
  And even if he was a green flag and he loved her deeply, he he
• 1:04:38
  could see her fire. He could see her grit, her
• 1:04:42
  determination as a survivor before she ever could.
• 1:04:45
  And that to me means that they're not.
• 1:04:48
  They don't. How do I put this?
• 1:04:51
  They're he's a complete person. Even if he changes later and has
• 1:04:55
  a character arc, he's a complete person and he knows who he is.
• 1:04:58
  She is not. She's not there yet.
• 1:05:02
  Like her frontal lobe hasn't developed yet so exactly so.
• 1:05:07
  He always knew who she was, but she did not.
• 1:05:10
  And it's her brazenness that he admires deeply.
• 1:05:16
  I I honestly don't get why people were like, upset with
• 1:05:21
  her, because I was. Upset.
• 1:05:22
  That's crazy. I don't know.
• 1:05:24
  Like it was just I I can't name names of like this person was
• 1:05:28
  upset with Kill Chip. Like, I feel like a lot of
• 1:05:31
  people were just annoyed with her, with her antics and the
• 1:05:35
  fact that she was so in love with Ashley.
• 1:05:38
  I mean Yongjun. Ashley I was kidding, Yeah.
• 1:05:42
  Ashley is the equivalent character in Gone With the Way.
• 1:05:46
  Yeah, But yeah, I I think this love story is a slow burn.
• 1:05:50
  It's a lot of push and pull between them.
• 1:05:53
  Will they, Won't they? Yes.
• 1:05:55
  And that's what's appealing to me, like let that's what keeps
• 1:05:58
  you coming back, is that they keep having these run insurance
• 1:06:02
  in really stressful life or death situations.
• 1:06:06
  He saves her, He's continually looking after her and she's
• 1:06:10
  continually looking after her own people as well and getting
• 1:06:14
  them out of scrapes and delivering babies in the
• 1:06:16
  wilderness and the list goes on. So they're both on their own
• 1:06:23
  separate journeys, and it's like they intersect in certain
• 1:06:26
  moments throughout the show. And what's frustrating is that
• 1:06:30
  they always have this like crazy emotional goodbye where one of
• 1:06:34
  them wants something out of the other one and they don't get it
• 1:06:38
  exactly exactly. And.
• 1:06:42
  It's angsty and I'm an angsty bitch, so I love like.
• 1:06:46
  Give me the angst. Give me the angst.
• 1:06:48
  Yes, I I feel like I. One thing that I appreciated is
• 1:06:53
  there was so many. There's a lot of like a good
• 1:06:56
  chunk of the show where they were not together, but yet I
• 1:06:59
  still felt like the love, like I still felt the longing.
• 1:07:04
  And I'm like, especially coming from him.
• 1:07:07
  And like, even if they didn't, even if there was so many scenes
• 1:07:11
  without them together, I still felt like, oh, this is a love
• 1:07:15
  story. Like, I feel it across, like
• 1:07:19
  across from like I just, I yeah, he was portraying it really well
• 1:07:25
  on his own. Really, really well.
• 1:07:28
  Like really well. So yeah.
• 1:07:32
  Someone wanted us to talk about Kilche's character growth and
• 1:07:37
  him being the greenest flag ever.
• 1:07:39
  I think we have touched on that. Someone wanted us to talk about
• 1:07:44
  the metaphors of their love, like the sound of flowers on the
• 1:07:48
  moon thing. OK, so talking about their love
• 1:07:51
  story. There were, I mean, he fell in
• 1:07:55
  love with her at first sight #1 and he said, I think in episode
• 1:08:02
  I have it here, episode seven, he says.
• 1:08:05
  Did I tell you when you smile, I can hear the spring flowers
• 1:08:08
  bloom? Let me just, let's just end the
• 1:08:13
  episode right here. Because like, he can hear the
• 1:08:16
  fucking flowers bloom when she smiles.
• 1:08:20
  Are you fucking kidding me? This is romance.
• 1:08:24
  This is romance. OK, so this metaphor of him
• 1:08:31
  hearing the sound of flowers and at the end of the show, it comes
• 1:08:34
  back again when she's like, why don't you remind me what did you
• 1:08:36
  hear when you first saw me? And he says he remembers that he
• 1:08:42
  heard the sound of he heard flowers, which flowers make no
• 1:08:45
  noise. It's like amazing.
• 1:08:47
  An amazing, like, juxtaposition. It's so poetic for him to say
• 1:08:55
  literally he's like, do you hear that?
• 1:08:57
  And his buddy's like, Nah man, he's like, I hear the flowers.
• 1:09:01
  That was such a good scene. That was such a good scene,
• 1:09:04
  yeah. And the fact that he heard of.
• 1:09:05
  Such a great scene. I believe it was his servant
• 1:09:09
  first when he he was in love with his sister and he's like, I
• 1:09:14
  I he said the same thing, right? He said when she smiles like
• 1:09:17
  weird sound of flowers And so he's like, well, that's weird as
• 1:09:21
  a kid. That's what love is.
• 1:09:23
  That means to me is he learned what love is through that
• 1:09:26
  relationship between the slave in his household and his older
• 1:09:30
  sister, and that crashed and burned.
• 1:09:33
  But he kept that like sound of flowers.
• 1:09:36
  So then when it happened, it's like, oh, this is what he was
• 1:09:40
  talking about. This is it, He.
• 1:09:43
  Loved it. Which you can see how that is a
• 1:09:46
  very sad visual slash like metaphor for their relationship,
• 1:09:54
  I think. Because flowers don't last.
• 1:09:58
  Good point. That's a good point.
• 1:10:02
  Flowers wither and bloom all the time, and the sound of flowers
• 1:10:10
  like that's another level of like it doesn't exist.
• 1:10:14
  Like the sound of flowers doesn't exist.
• 1:10:17
  First of all, doesn't exist. They wither so, so.
• 1:10:22
  Fast. It is a stunning, beautiful
• 1:10:27
  line. If your man doesn't hear the
• 1:10:30
  flowers bloom when you smile, he's not the one.
• 1:10:34
  OK, break up. He is not the one.
• 1:10:39
  He has to hear for flowers. OK, Bloom.
• 1:10:42
  Yeah. Hear flowers bloom and then the
• 1:10:43
  moon thing. He has to hear the flowers move.
• 1:10:46
  So and then the moon thing, which was the other thing this
• 1:10:48
  person wanted us to talk about. Did you want to take over the
• 1:10:51
  moon thing? I have no notes on the moon.
• 1:10:55
  I love the moon. I literally have a wallpaper of
• 1:10:59
  the moon. Quit.
• 1:11:02
  I'm serious. I'm so serious.
• 1:11:05
  Like I have a a wallpaper of the moon.
• 1:11:08
  You do? Oh my God.
• 1:11:12
  Talk to me, Moon. Girl, I think it's just so it's
• 1:11:14
  kind of like the whole flowers thing, like you said.
• 1:11:16
  Like they they bloom, they wither, and then another one
• 1:11:20
  comes out. It's like there's always a new
• 1:11:22
  moon, you know? You always have.
• 1:11:25
  Which means no moon. And it's just, I love the fact
• 1:11:28
  that he's like every time there's this moon, this
• 1:11:30
  beautiful new moon. And he didn't say New Moon, but
• 1:11:34
  I'm always meeting you like this and I think that is so beautiful
• 1:11:38
  because. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:39
  They kept the meeting on like the full moon.
• 1:11:41
  Which is like. Which is once a month, right?
• 1:11:44
  Yes, literally once a month. I don't know.
• 1:11:47
  I just think it's such AI love. I love the idea of like, there's
• 1:11:53
  always something new coming, you know?
• 1:11:55
  There's always like a new thing coming, especially in your life
• 1:11:59
  when you know things go bad or whatever.
• 1:12:01
  There's always hope for something else, hope for
• 1:12:03
  something new. And the fact that there's always
• 1:12:05
  like a new moon, it dies out. It goes into Half Moon, it goes
• 1:12:09
  into like, you know, no moon. And then it goes back into it.
• 1:12:14
  No, Right. Just like just like flowers.
• 1:12:18
  They withered and then the other one blooms.
• 1:12:21
  So I just think it's. I just think it's so beautiful
• 1:12:25
  that he's like that he was watching the the moon.
• 1:12:30
  Oh, we were spoilers at the end, right?
• 1:12:34
  Where was he? Yeah.
• 1:12:35
  We're in sport, yeah, yeah, Someone said.
• 1:12:40
  Let's see. I'm thinking of characters.
• 1:12:42
  Oh, please cover the relationship between unne and
• 1:12:46
  kilche. It's so underrated.
• 1:12:50
  So what do you think about the female relationships in this
• 1:12:52
  show? I love them.
• 1:12:53
  I thought it was like, as much as I love the romance, I loved
• 1:12:59
  what they. I mean, obviously not not what
• 1:13:00
  they went through, but how they just went through it all
• 1:13:04
  together. And they always stuck together.
• 1:13:06
  And they were like as whether one one of them was about to die
• 1:13:11
  or one was, you know, about to give up or one was about to, you
• 1:13:13
  know, you know, end it. They always reach out for each
• 1:13:17
  other. They always were like, Nope,
• 1:13:19
  which is mostly Gilche who was like, let's do it.
• 1:13:21
  Let's do it. Like, no, we got it.
• 1:13:23
  We got this. And you know, I love there's
• 1:13:26
  this, you know, regarding them too.
• 1:13:29
  There's this scene disclaimer where a barbarian, they're this
• 1:13:35
  is literally right after left. They left Hungary, They're
• 1:13:37
  running away. They're.
• 1:13:39
  This is part. One, it's winter, it's cold,
• 1:13:43
  they separate for a little. No, Gilche goes in to look for
• 1:13:47
  more resources. And Anne is like, kind of like,
• 1:13:50
  where are you? So she goes after her and runs
• 1:13:53
  into a barbarian. And a barbarian pretty much not
• 1:13:58
  fully assaults her. But you know she encounters her
• 1:14:03
  about to and then here comes Gilche and you know kills him.
• 1:14:09
  She kills him. She's like And the fact that she
• 1:14:13
  and it was like remembering what that old lady told her like if
• 1:14:17
  you even encounter might as well just die.
• 1:14:20
  And so she's like, OK, might as well die.
• 1:14:22
  You know like who's going to want me like this.
• 1:14:24
  And so guilty is like, no, that never happened.
• 1:14:28
  I never killed a man. Yeah.
• 1:14:29
  You never that this never happened.
• 1:14:32
  OK. And I I think that's so powerful
• 1:14:35
  because trigger warning, like when it's, you know, when people
• 1:14:42
  that go through stuff like that and they go through healing and
• 1:14:46
  stuff like that, there's this moment where it's like, you know
• 1:14:49
  what? Where they go through the
• 1:14:51
  healing process. And like, I'm a new person, you
• 1:14:54
  know, I'm a new person. I'm not that defiled person
• 1:14:56
  anymore. You know, they believe that.
• 1:14:58
  And so I thought it was very powerful because she was like,
• 1:15:00
  no, you're still pure believe that you're pure girl.
• 1:15:06
  You still like you still got everything that you're Matt
• 1:15:09
  wants like don't even like this is my own personal take.
• 1:15:12
  But I thought it was just very powerful between the two.
• 1:15:14
  And ever since then, even though Anne already kind of, you know,
• 1:15:18
  loved her and and, you know, kind of look after her, even
• 1:15:22
  though Gilche was trying to get Herman.
• 1:15:25
  But you can see that there was still affection within each
• 1:15:28
  other. And ever since then, like, she's
• 1:15:30
  like, no, I got to make sure that she's OK to the point that
• 1:15:36
  she gets sick when when she gets, you know, taken away,
• 1:15:40
  which I'm like, well, damn, yeah, damn.
• 1:15:42
  Yeah. I think this is a very special
• 1:15:45
  relationship. It's one between wildly
• 1:15:48
  different personalities, like these two women could not be.
• 1:15:51
  More different. And I love that so much.
• 1:15:53
  Love it. I know, I I love that.
• 1:15:56
  And there is definite jealousy, like from Kilche toward Inne,
• 1:16:02
  because Inne has the man that she wants.
• 1:16:05
  And the fact that Kilche is so powerful in their journey to
• 1:16:15
  survive and escape and find refuge during the invasion and
• 1:16:21
  even afterward, like when they have no money and they're
• 1:16:25
  starving. Like guilt.
• 1:16:26
  Just the one that really leads the charge and creates that
• 1:16:29
  business and starts to feed them through her own creative means,
• 1:16:34
  through her own skills and business savvy.
• 1:16:39
  Unn. You feel like she is naive.
• 1:16:42
  She's a fool. You feel like she doesn't
• 1:16:45
  understand that guilt just going for her man, like loves her man.
• 1:16:50
  You feel like Unn is just sort of, like, useless because she
• 1:16:56
  faints when the baby's being born.
• 1:16:58
  She's not even a help there. She's like dead weight in the in
• 1:17:02
  the group, and even afterward, when they're trying to make ends
• 1:17:08
  meet after the invasion and there's peace, relative peace in
• 1:17:11
  the land. Anne is not the one who's, you
• 1:17:15
  know, getting her hands dirty the way that Gilche is.
• 1:17:19
  And despite all that, like they really come to a deep
• 1:17:24
  understanding and not deep sisterhood between all of those
• 1:17:27
  women, even the the slaves slash servants.
• 1:17:30
  They go with them on this journey and there is a a bond
• 1:17:36
  and a camaraderie that they have that the men never.
• 1:17:39
  You don't see that with. Them really achieve in the same
• 1:17:42
  way? Yeah, like their friends and
• 1:17:43
  their buddies and they care for each other and they would die
• 1:17:45
  for each other. But, like, have you ever stopped
• 1:17:48
  your friend from being raped? That's like, like, this is a new
• 1:17:52
  level of trust and compassion between each other and
• 1:18:00
  understanding on a deep level. And one day I feel like it's
• 1:18:04
  really special. Because she.
• 1:18:06
  It turns out that even though she subscribes to all of these
• 1:18:11
  ideals that they've trained into them like these patriarchal
• 1:18:14
  ideals and the Confucian ideals of you need to kill yourself.
• 1:18:19
  If you are even remotely defiled by a barbarian, that's your duty
• 1:18:25
  as a as a woman, as a wife or whatever.
• 1:18:29
  Don't come back because it's shameful.
• 1:18:32
  Like you should die. You should be willing to die for
• 1:18:35
  your purity. And even though she subscribes
• 1:18:38
  to that, she is very surprised when Yongjun is like, so upfront
• 1:18:45
  about it later in the show. And he's like spouting these
• 1:18:49
  ideals to her face and she it's very brave of her to say that's.
• 1:18:54
  Kind of shocked. Not going to lie, I almost got
• 1:18:56
  raped. Yeah, even though I didn't like
• 1:19:01
  he, like, touched me and like, should I kill myself?
• 1:19:06
  And she sort of challenges him, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:19:10
  Like it? It would have been so easy for
• 1:19:12
  her to just shut up. Right.
• 1:19:14
  And not say anything and not. Tell her story and she says no.
• 1:19:19
  Like Kilchek killed the guy and I'm here because of her.
• 1:19:25
  We all are shit. Like what?
• 1:19:30
  What are you going to do about it?
• 1:19:31
  You know what I'm saying? Like, it's a fair challenge that
• 1:19:33
  she poses to Yonjun and it like, breaks him and we can talk about
• 1:19:37
  him in a SEC. But I think that one is very
• 1:19:41
  compassionate and good-natured, and that's something she has in
• 1:19:44
  common with her equivalent character, Melanie in Gone With
• 1:19:48
  the Wind. And same as Melanie who in Gone
• 1:19:52
  With the Wind, she's the one who's pregnant and Scarlett
• 1:19:56
  delivers her baby under the rest.
• 1:19:58
  But besides that being like a switcheroo that they did in this
• 1:20:03
  story, I think that she's very motherly.
• 1:20:10
  Yes. And I I think that the way that
• 1:20:14
  Gilche is so aggressive and like domineering at times and so
• 1:20:19
  powerful, Una is very much like a feminine archetype and they
• 1:20:24
  complement each other really well in their friendship.
• 1:20:28
  And I love how Una is like a ride or die for Gilche.
• 1:20:32
  Gilche is a ride or die for everybody around her, but Inne
• 1:20:36
  is also a writer. Die for Kilchi, and she's always
• 1:20:39
  advocating for her when she gets kidnapped to the Ching Dynasty.
• 1:20:44
  Like she is the one that's like, you need to do something.
• 1:20:47
  We need to get her back. I'm going to go get her myself.
• 1:20:49
  Oh, she's so. Cute.
• 1:20:52
  And that was a big I know she's so cute and that was a big
• 1:20:55
  moment for her to be like she would do the same for me.
• 1:20:58
  Yes. Yes.
• 1:21:00
  How can I not try and get her back?
• 1:21:03
  Love. That she had a certainty like
• 1:21:06
  she would. Yeah, yes, she had a certainty.
• 1:21:11
  I like that word. Yeah, yeah, I honestly, I love
• 1:21:16
  that. I honestly feel like although
• 1:21:18
  she was naive, I feel like and this could just be me, that when
• 1:21:23
  you know, when they were younger, when they were still
• 1:21:25
  teens, I feel like she knew that, you know, guilty was after
• 1:21:32
  Yunjun. I feel like she knew, but she
• 1:21:36
  just was like, I don't know, she was like, you know, like, yeah,
• 1:21:39
  she is. But like, I know who she really
• 1:21:41
  loves. So she just needs to like, you
• 1:21:44
  know, figure that out. So it's OK.
• 1:21:47
  I feel like there's, I think there was a scene where she's
• 1:21:50
  like where she told when he told Male Lead, she told him like, I
• 1:21:57
  know she's kind of after Yunjun or am I making that up?
• 1:22:02
  No, no, no, she did say like I She doesn't realize it now, but
• 1:22:05
  she loves you. She.
• 1:22:05
  Doesn't realize it now, but she does love you because she's
• 1:22:08
  she's. She looked at you during the
• 1:22:11
  announcement that they were going to war, that there was an
• 1:22:14
  invasion, and she looked at you and everyone was looking at the
• 1:22:17
  person they most cared about. And she was, like, concerned and
• 1:22:20
  looked at you. So I know that deep down she
• 1:22:24
  loves you. She you're the person she's
• 1:22:26
  worried about, even if she doesn't realize it.
• 1:22:29
  So she one is very astute. Yeah.
• 1:22:34
  Because since day one, she was like, Oh yeah, Gilche loves
• 1:22:37
  Tony. No, out of my mind, yeah, yeah.
• 1:22:44
  Someone said it was interesting seeing what the female
• 1:22:47
  characters went through, and it made me think about purity
• 1:22:50
  culture as a whole. So I guess we need to talk a
• 1:22:56
  little bit about just that and how they I almost want to just
• 1:23:04
  bring up Yong Joon and his bullshit because he that's
• 1:23:09
  Ashley like that character. Because he done lost his fucking
• 1:23:14
  mind in the last few episodes. He lost his fucking mind in the
• 1:23:18
  last few episodes. No, for real.
• 1:23:21
  I'm like because like, bra, bra. What do you mean?
• 1:23:29
  What do you mean? You're preaching, You're
• 1:23:31
  preaching to the women about how they need to commit suicide, and
• 1:23:35
  you don't even want to go on an envoy to the Ching because you
• 1:23:40
  know it's a suicide mission, and it's.
• 1:23:42
  Like this is that's. Exactly what you're a coward you
• 1:23:45
  know about. Exactly what you just said, yes.
• 1:23:47
  OK, he's a coward. Since the beginning and and and
• 1:23:53
  Hyun Jiang Hyun, he calls him out for it and I love that scene
• 1:23:56
  so much when he's like you're. Yes, I love that scene as well
• 1:24:00
  because. He's like, you're a coward
• 1:24:02
  because you do like her, but you feel like you can't handle her,
• 1:24:05
  so you just leave on and so and you're a coward.
• 1:24:10
  And I'm like, I love that scene, but yeah, he's a coward.
• 1:24:14
  Yeah, that was a really frustrating aspect of the show
• 1:24:17
  Was not only that the guys were just kind of at odds with each
• 1:24:21
  other and Yongjun was a a little bitch like for the whole of the
• 1:24:26
  show, but like the purity, the fact that the women are so
• 1:24:30
  strong throughout everything. And it was very heart wrenching
• 1:24:37
  to see so many like women. Not not just our main like 4
• 1:24:43
  ladies, but like there were other women who were choosing to
• 1:24:47
  commit suicide throughout the show just to get away from the
• 1:24:53
  shame of being raped by a barbarian or being sexually
• 1:24:57
  assaulted or put in sexual slavery.
• 1:25:00
  Because that reality is very real and I don't.
• 1:25:04
  I don't, I will never presume to know what the right answer is.
• 1:25:08
  Like if I'm in that situation, would I jump off a Cliff or
• 1:25:11
  would I choose to live? I think the show is trying to
• 1:25:15
  say that you should strive to live, that it's not a shame to
• 1:25:21
  experience that, and that it's it's not the end of the world.
• 1:25:26
  You can heal through this even if society is dead fucking set
• 1:25:32
  against you. So yeah.
• 1:25:39
  That is the message that I think the show is trying to.
• 1:25:41
  To say I agree, I I I definitely.
• 1:25:44
  Because even even when Crown Prince who took him there, was
• 1:25:51
  it was it he, John Young? Was it him who took him to the
• 1:25:55
  marketplace in Shimyang? Who?
• 1:25:58
  I can't remember. Someone took him there.
• 1:26:00
  I can't remember who took him there, but he went because he
• 1:26:02
  needed. Did he need farmers at?
• 1:26:04
  Is it farm? No.
• 1:26:06
  What did he need? Like?
• 1:26:07
  I don't remember. I'm sorry.
• 1:26:09
  Everything's jumbling, but he need.
• 1:26:11
  It's OK. It's a long show.
• 1:26:12
  But he, they took him to the marketplace where he saw the the
• 1:26:18
  captives there and how they're being treated and how.
• 1:26:21
  And there's this scene where they're auctioning off some of
• 1:26:25
  the captives and one of them is a female and she's like she's a
• 1:26:30
  virgin and everybody in the car is like show, I wanna see more,
• 1:26:34
  I wanna see more. And so they don't show it on
• 1:26:37
  screen, but it's implied that they show her private parts of
• 1:26:43
  her body and he literally just he books it to like a corner and
• 1:26:49
  started like throwing up and he says like why would she bring
• 1:26:55
  shame on her country like that? Yeah, he starts trying her.
• 1:27:00
  Bro, I just get so triggered when that happens.
• 1:27:03
  I'm like. It's so triggering it, really.
• 1:27:06
  Is not. But yeah, like, yeah, that scene
• 1:27:09
  was like, bro, no, like. Wrong approach, wrong thing to
• 1:27:13
  say. Absolutely wrong approach.
• 1:27:15
  Like you saw everything that's going on with your people and
• 1:27:19
  that's what you're gonna say. You're gonna say and.
• 1:27:22
  As if she had a choice. As if exactly as if she had a
• 1:27:26
  choice. As if they have a choice.
• 1:27:28
  The other choice that he's talking about is death.
• 1:27:31
  He's just like, oh why is she choosing to go for this?
• 1:27:35
  Because the other option is she could just be dead.
• 1:27:38
  Dead. I'm like, OK, you know, And I
• 1:27:44
  think it was what's that one girl's name, which I'm just
• 1:27:47
  gonna say right now, I don't really like her.
• 1:27:49
  She's the Princess of. The Crown Princess.
• 1:27:53
  That's the crown. Princess, not his wife.
• 1:27:56
  All girl the Ching Princess. Girl, that home.
• 1:28:00
  Girl, OK. That bitch girl, OK?
• 1:28:03
  Girl. Yeah.
• 1:28:03
  So I didn't like her. I didn't like her.
• 1:28:08
  I'm just going to say that right now.
• 1:28:09
  I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
• 1:28:10
  I don't like her. When she was like what?
• 1:28:14
  You know, looking at, she's like how like the fact that you
• 1:28:17
  people, you chosen people, you know, went through all the
• 1:28:20
  humiliation, that you look so pathetic, still still trying to
• 1:28:24
  strive to live after being enslaved after going through all
• 1:28:28
  this. And then then I'm just like girl
• 1:28:30
  like you sound so dumb right now.
• 1:28:34
  I know you. I know you sound dumb.
• 1:28:36
  You're. Saying.
• 1:28:37
  Sit down, girl. Sit, sit down, sit down.
• 1:28:40
  And you're saying this to the guy that you Segun sorry,
• 1:28:44
  supposedly. Like So it's like she's like not
• 1:28:48
  impressed. You don't know who you're
• 1:28:49
  talking. To right now, OK, this is a
• 1:28:51
  whole of it. Like, that is character and her
• 1:28:53
  mentality is like a whole other side.
• 1:28:55
  I know. They're conversation, but.
• 1:28:57
  Yeah. OK.
• 1:28:58
  Great. Great.
• 1:28:58
  Yes, girl, that's that's not OK. But on that note, on that note,
• 1:29:07
  like on this topic, someone said that they wanted us to talk
• 1:29:11
  about the line he gives her in episode 17.
• 1:29:14
  I love Gilche and lists all of the qualities of her.
• 1:29:18
  So I have the line here. Two people actually wanted us to
• 1:29:22
  talk about this, that line when he listed all the parts that he
• 1:29:24
  liked about her. So this is episode 17, he says.
• 1:29:30
  Do you not you? Do you still not understand how
• 1:29:31
  I feel? For me, you are enough.
• 1:29:35
  Poor Gilche. Wealthy Gilche.
• 1:29:37
  Cheeky Gilche. Gentle Gilche.
• 1:29:40
  Gilche, who does not love me? Kilche who does.
• 1:29:43
  All I need is Kilche. All I need is you.
• 1:29:47
  And she at this point had already sort of implied that
• 1:29:52
  something happened to her while she was a captive.
• 1:29:56
  And she says, like, this is huge for her to after the divorce,
• 1:30:00
  after everything, after he's finally here back with her, like
• 1:30:07
  this is the love of her life. And she's about to tell her how,
• 1:30:10
  tell him something that she got divorced over.
• 1:30:16
  So she says very bravely, what about Kilche, who was defiled?
• 1:30:23
  And I don't think I was breathing at this point.
• 1:30:27
  Like I was holding my breath, like I knew he wasn't going to
• 1:30:30
  say something shit, but I was still like, Oh yeah, what is he
• 1:30:33
  going to say? He says the perfect thing.
• 1:30:38
  He says I'd embrace her and hugs her and says you must have
• 1:30:44
  suffered so much. But even if you push me away,
• 1:30:48
  I'll be by your side from now on tonight can I hold you?
• 1:30:53
  And they finally kiss and she kisses him back and and I'm
• 1:30:57
  like, I needed to pause the show at that point I was.
• 1:31:01
  Like. I.
• 1:31:02
  Need a minute? Yeah, he.
• 1:31:07
  Could not have had a more perfect reaction.
• 1:31:13
  Yeah. To her confessing that she had
• 1:31:16
  gone through a whole era of sexual assault in her life,
• 1:31:20
  yeah. And I think what hit me the
• 1:31:23
  most, not the most, but really just was like, he didn't make it
• 1:31:27
  about himself at all. I just like he didn't make it
• 1:31:31
  about himself. Like I feel like.
• 1:31:33
  Which is? He didn't say, like, well, I
• 1:31:36
  feel like shut up. No, Like, you know, or like a
• 1:31:38
  man. Like, what is this need for me?
• 1:31:40
  Like, it's not about you right now.
• 1:31:42
  It's not about you right now. You know he didn't.
• 1:31:45
  Bring it back. To himself.
• 1:31:46
  He didn't make it about himself or how he feels or anything.
• 1:31:49
  He focused on how you must have, you must have suffered, you
• 1:31:53
  know. I love that, Love that.
• 1:31:56
  I love the complex emotions playing on his face that he's he
• 1:32:01
  already knew what she was going to say, OK?
• 1:32:04
  I have no doubt that he already suspected that this happened.
• 1:32:09
  He's smart and she had already like started broached the
• 1:32:13
  conversation with this in mind and he read the tea leaves on it
• 1:32:18
  OK way long ago and he still was there.
• 1:32:22
  Like when she finally confessed he was heartbroken.
• 1:32:26
  Yeah. And went to comfort her like
• 1:32:30
  this is huge I. Know.
• 1:32:33
  The juxtaposed that to Young. Tune So Girl.
• 1:32:43
  I could not. I was like, ain't the one.
• 1:32:48
  If I had cabbage, if I had Rotten Tomatoes, I would have
• 1:32:50
  thrown it at the screen when good name was talking to Yunjun
• 1:32:54
  about almost getting raped. The quasi rape.
• 1:32:57
  Which is still fucking traumatic.
• 1:33:00
  Traumatic as fuck, OK? And he's like, shocked.
• 1:33:06
  What? How?
• 1:33:07
  How does this mean for me? This is like crippling my world.
• 1:33:11
  What I say? How could you?
• 1:33:13
  How could you lie to me like he was saying every fucking wrong
• 1:33:16
  thing. Yeah.
• 1:33:17
  Me. How can you?
• 1:33:17
  Yeah. Made it by himself.
• 1:33:22
  Made it about him. Anyway, so this, that was a big
• 1:33:28
  part of like the way that they got together, Kilche and
• 1:33:34
  Changyun, that was a big turning point for them and their
• 1:33:37
  relationship. And after that they have sex
• 1:33:40
  too. Like, we we go into the bedroom
• 1:33:42
  with them and I'm like, Oh my God, this is amazing.
• 1:33:47
  It wasn't gratuitous though. They didn't show anything.
• 1:33:49
  Like just in case you're listening to this and you
• 1:33:51
  haven't watched the show. Like it wasn't like suddenly NC
• 1:33:55
  17 in here. Beautiful scene.
• 1:33:57
  It was a beautiful. Scene.
• 1:33:58
  It was beautiful. It was very intimate and it was
• 1:34:01
  on her terms because earlier in the show he had saved her, he
• 1:34:09
  had rescued her out of slavery and then she was kind of living
• 1:34:13
  with him because he was still injured from that like arrow in
• 1:34:17
  the back. That's a whole nother fucking
• 1:34:20
  thing. But he's so fine and he was like
• 1:34:23
  pretending to be injured for a while so that she would stay and
• 1:34:27
  take care of him and so cute cure his little Boo boos and
• 1:34:31
  stuff and he comes on to her real strong.
• 1:34:37
  Like do you remember he was like changing his, like dressing on
• 1:34:40
  the on his and they showed his body and I was like, OK, Nam
• 1:34:44
  Kunman is like walking. Ripped Loki I'm not going to
• 1:34:48
  lie, he is jacked. I feel ashamed, but I was very
• 1:34:51
  shocked that he was like that. Jacked that was not expecting
• 1:34:57
  like disrespectfully, disrespectfully, like hot.
• 1:35:05
  Damn. So he's there, you Sir.
• 1:35:08
  But yeah. I underestimate the truth.
• 1:35:15
  That ass. No.
• 1:35:16
  OK, so sorry, sorry. Oh God.
• 1:35:23
  I need to. I need to calm down.
• 1:35:25
  So you're fanning yourself. So there's that scene where he
• 1:35:29
  is half naked. He puts on like a his hat, his
• 1:35:33
  shirt or something and then walks over to her and he kisses
• 1:35:37
  her on her forehead and like cradles her face.
• 1:35:40
  And I'm like, this is so amazing and intimate, but she's not
• 1:35:43
  really reciprocating at that point.
• 1:35:45
  It I didn't tell that. She's very hurt and nervous and
• 1:35:49
  she's technically still married at this point, so she is has a
• 1:35:52
  lot of stuff going on. But the second time around when
• 1:35:56
  he says that he loves all parts of her, right, he is completely
• 1:36:02
  in love with her. He loves her good side and he
• 1:36:04
  loves her bad side. He loves everything.
• 1:36:08
  Like everything that she's been through, it's OK.
• 1:36:12
  And at that, it's at that point where she trusts him enough with
• 1:36:15
  her story, with her experience, with her pain that she lets him
• 1:36:21
  in and they finally have sex and everyone's happy for them.
• 1:36:24
  But it was a process to get there because back in Chang back
• 1:36:29
  when she was taking care of him and she was technically free and
• 1:36:32
  could I think she could have had sex with him whatever back then
• 1:36:35
  because even if she was still married her husband abandoned
• 1:36:39
  her. If I was her I would have been
• 1:36:43
  like let's go but beside the point where he at where he room
• 1:36:49
  at time to come down. Is it is it this to right I will
• 1:36:56
  go wherever. OK.
• 1:37:01
  I have someone said. Someone said every time he
• 1:37:04
  confessed to her no matter what happened to her that was that.
• 1:37:07
  I think that same scene and everyone was fucking reeling
• 1:37:10
  over episode 17 and that perfect confession from him which he had
• 1:37:15
  confessed to her little by little throughout the show.
• 1:37:18
  But it like this is the one that really shook people up.
• 1:37:22
  I think talking about her sexual assault experiences, someone
• 1:37:28
  said how let's we had to talk about how they didn't show
• 1:37:31
  unnecessary rapes but suggested it.
• 1:37:35
  And I also think this is really important because there's some
• 1:37:39
  films and shows that are super out of pocket with rape scenes
• 1:37:47
  and the show did not at all like, besides the fact that it's
• 1:37:51
  airing on NBC, not Netflix or Amazon Prime or whatever.
• 1:37:55
  The fuck They did not. They chose a very tasteful way
• 1:38:00
  of presenting really horrific violence toward women.
• 1:38:07
  And I appreciate that. Yeah.
• 1:38:09
  I didn't think they need to go that far.
• 1:38:13
  Yeah. And they they just suggested and
• 1:38:16
  and the fact that she says it without us having seen it, like
• 1:38:20
  we can all up assume that this happened to her.
• 1:38:25
  But you know, her voicing it is more impactful than us seeing
• 1:38:30
  it. Yeah, because it must be so hard
• 1:38:33
  to say it out loud and then. Oh my God.
• 1:38:36
  Said say it out loud too. You know the man she's in love
• 1:38:39
  with? Too Woo she.
• 1:38:42
  I think it's even more evident when he reaches for her.
• 1:38:48
  By the way, can I just say I love that scene, I love that
• 1:38:53
  scene when he when he finds out that she's there and she's being
• 1:38:57
  auctioned off. Oh, fuck off.
• 1:39:01
  Fuck off. I love that scene.
• 1:39:03
  It had me. Balling it had me like I was
• 1:39:06
  like, like I I was speechless. I was breathless, like my heart
• 1:39:12
  was like not in like I. Fuck out of here like that scene
• 1:39:18
  was written and acted. He did so good and I was kind of
• 1:39:24
  nervous on how that scene was going to play out because it was
• 1:39:27
  like like that's so difficult. It could go either way.
• 1:39:31
  It could be like kind of like unclimited or like anti
• 1:39:35
  climactic. Yeah, yeah, it could be anti
• 1:39:37
  climactic, but it. Wasn't be like, oh, you extra.
• 1:39:41
  He was like, he was like, he's perfect, perfect.
• 1:39:47
  I know from the I know when he spots her through the crowd and
• 1:39:52
  she's like like she's you could see that she's just praying that
• 1:39:57
  he doesn't see her because she's so prideful and so ashamed of
• 1:40:03
  her situation. And I would be too.
• 1:40:06
  Like if I if the love of my life, if I saw the love of my
• 1:40:09
  life in that situation, I would be like, you know, one of two
• 1:40:14
  minds, one of be like, get me the fuck out of here or #2, I'd
• 1:40:16
  be like, please, I don't want you to see me like this.
• 1:40:20
  Exactly. And that's how she.
• 1:40:23
  Felt it, was she. And he just like cuts through
• 1:40:26
  the crowd. He's mowing down people
• 1:40:30
  aggressively, trying to get to her.
• 1:40:32
  And then he comes up just devastated and screaming.
• 1:40:37
  Why? Yeah, so good.
• 1:40:41
  And I'm like a pause. I need to calm down.
• 1:40:45
  I had to pause and I was like, crying.
• 1:40:47
  I'm like, I'm like that. Is that was how the episode
• 1:40:51
  ended? Yes, that is right.
• 1:40:53
  That was like, what was that like 13 or 4 episode 14 or
• 1:40:57
  something? I think so.
• 1:40:59
  One of those. Around there I.
• 1:41:01
  That was my heart was bounding and I was crying and yeah, he
• 1:41:07
  did amazing. She did really well.
• 1:41:09
  She did so good too. It them together in that scene
• 1:41:12
  was just like oh holy holy smokes but when he reaches for
• 1:41:17
  her her shoulder she like does this.
• 1:41:21
  And she. Oh, I was and I was like that is
• 1:41:24
  the evidence right there. And I think he he also like he
• 1:41:29
  though he was he put two and two together that moment as well And
• 1:41:32
  I'm like. Yes.
• 1:41:34
  Thank, yeah. I don't.
• 1:41:40
  I don't know. I don't even know what.
• 1:41:41
  That's, that's that has to be one of my favorite scenes, one
• 1:41:45
  of my favorite scenes for sure. It is pitch perfect the way they
• 1:41:48
  did that scene. But OK, let me see.
• 1:41:51
  Someone said they wanted us to talk, to talk about Mr. Goo,
• 1:41:56
  Ryangam, Yongjun and how these men have been trash all along.
• 1:42:02
  And I was like cool. Say like, yeah, no.
• 1:42:06
  Trash. Mr. Goo is her husband.
• 1:42:09
  Because there's like a lot of Mr. Goo's and I figured it was
• 1:42:11
  the husband. Mr. Goo is the husband.
• 1:42:15
  Then you have Ashley, Yongjun and Ryangam which is one of the
• 1:42:19
  besties, one of his the the gay best friend.
• 1:42:25
  Let's talk about Ryangam first, because he is the the represent
• 1:42:28
  the LGBTQ plus representation in this show and I thought that for
• 1:42:34
  the for the largest part of the show I was so annoyed.
• 1:42:39
  With him. Absolutely could not stand.
• 1:42:43
  Him. Yeah, same.
• 1:42:45
  Could he's so. I mean, he's so obviously loved.
• 1:42:50
  Zhang Hyun, respected and admired him, would die for him.
• 1:42:54
  But he was openly jealous of Kilche and multiple times
• 1:42:58
  sabotaged their relationship. Say that again please, Yes.
• 1:43:03
  He's a saboteur. OK, Yes, so I could.
• 1:43:09
  He was like the best the the gay best friend from hell to me and
• 1:43:16
  I couldn't. I could not get behind him and
• 1:43:20
  have sympathy for him until much, much later in Part 2 when
• 1:43:26
  they showed more of his back story and more of how he came
• 1:43:30
  into the fold and Chung Hyun's life.
• 1:43:32
  And how he was basically a child sex slave in the household of
• 1:43:39
  some nobleman there who was literally torturing him if he
• 1:43:44
  perceives some sort of sexual advance from somebody else that
• 1:43:49
  he accepted as a child. Literally a child.
• 1:43:55
  And he had this whole journey in Ark himself, and I felt that the
• 1:44:01
  show maybe didn't do his character.
• 1:44:03
  Justice at all. I agree, because I'm not going
• 1:44:08
  to lie, he wasn't really some scenes.
• 1:44:11
  He was. But a lot of the times he wasn't
• 1:44:13
  really doing it for me. And I think I don't know if it's
• 1:44:16
  the character or the actor, because I know.
• 1:44:21
  I know because he's not like, he's not like a bad actor or
• 1:44:24
  anything. It's just like he wasn't likable
• 1:44:28
  to me the way that he was portraying.
• 1:44:31
  Again, character writing or the way he was portraying it wasn't
• 1:44:35
  likable, you know, in my opinion, because a lot of time
• 1:44:40
  he was just like, OK, you know? And I'm like.
• 1:44:45
  I guess he wasn't giving. He just wasn't giving.
• 1:44:47
  Personally, again, it's just how I how I saw it and it.
• 1:44:55
  Don't want to sit and this is a safe space.
• 1:44:57
  That's how I don't worry. That's how I was like.
• 1:45:00
  It's not making it better that I'm not liking this character
• 1:45:03
  because it could be a likable character, but that way the way
• 1:45:07
  he's portraying the characters making it not likable for me
• 1:45:11
  until later on when he kind of. And maybe that's the point,
• 1:45:15
  because later on he kind of figures out OK, when you love
• 1:45:17
  Someone Like, You got to like it's not about you.
• 1:45:23
  Yes. He starts to kind of subscribe
• 1:45:25
  to Jang Hyung's level of love, where it's not necessarily about
• 1:45:31
  me being with them, it's about them being happy.
• 1:45:35
  Exactly. And that's when I was like, OK,
• 1:45:38
  we're OK, right. That's about when I was like,
• 1:45:41
  OK, I cannot. And then they were giving them
• 1:45:43
  me that back story of him and I was like, OK, I can kind of see
• 1:45:49
  him a little better. It's a little more in focus for
• 1:45:51
  me. But again, for large parts of
• 1:45:54
  the show, he was just like, so irritating.
• 1:45:57
  He and. Was he?
• 1:45:59
  Treated or talked to Gilche, I don't think that was fair.
• 1:46:02
  Oh, oh. Out of pocket.
• 1:46:04
  Just so unacceptable. Yeah.
• 1:46:06
  And that that's what made me more frustrated towards him
• 1:46:09
  because I'm like a brick. Like Brick?
• 1:46:14
  Yeah, I think. And I I love that line when I
• 1:46:18
  can't remember what it was, but I think that he Rangam went and
• 1:46:22
  told Jong Hyun that she was a curse.
• 1:46:25
  In which one she was enslaved in In by the chain And that she was
• 1:46:32
  there, in that town that he was in.
• 1:46:34
  Right. And he was like, why the fuck
• 1:46:38
  didn't you tell me sooner, basically.
• 1:46:41
  And he was like, well, I didn't want you to be with her.
• 1:46:44
  Basically the audacity. Like, I'm.
• 1:46:48
  I know at the audacity, but I'm paraphrasing and Dang Hyun
• 1:46:51
  responds with That's because you don't know what she means to me.
• 1:46:55
  I love. That.
• 1:46:57
  You don't know what she means to me.
• 1:47:00
  And that's when I think Jiang Jiang sort of change.
• 1:47:06
  It starts to change his mentality around being with
• 1:47:09
  Jiang Hyun and the fact that he's never going to going to
• 1:47:12
  love him the same way that Jiang loves him, right.
• 1:47:17
  Jiang is not looking for a same sex relationship like period.
• 1:47:22
  And he's like, oh, but I do understand, like how you feel.
• 1:47:28
  But he doesn't because he's not on the same level, right?
• 1:47:33
  It's obsession and it's possession.
• 1:47:35
  Territorial. Yes, exactly.
• 1:47:39
  So Ryangam, I think they did him dirty, like with the writing and
• 1:47:45
  even though he was extremely complex, I I just don't feel
• 1:47:49
  like they did him well, especially him being the plot
• 1:47:55
  device of the whole show. He ended up being he.
• 1:48:01
  So there's two people wanted us to talk about this.
• 1:48:04
  One person said they want us to talk about Youngam.
• 1:48:08
  Why is his hair white when no one else seemed to age?
• 1:48:12
  And then another person said I want to talk about, oh wait,
• 1:48:19
  where is it? Anyway, people wanted us to talk
• 1:48:21
  about Youngam. So here's.
• 1:48:23
  Because he was the the like, the framing device of the whole
• 1:48:28
  show. Evidently he was the mysterious
• 1:48:31
  prisoner, the storyteller, through which we're getting this
• 1:48:34
  rich story in a flashback form. What the hell happened?
• 1:48:42
  Like this is my theory that that wasn't the initial concept, no
• 1:48:49
  when they first shot that scene in episode one.
• 1:48:52
  Definitely so. I really was kind of dying
• 1:48:56
  laughing at that. But I'm like, hold on.
• 1:48:58
  Like, let me get. Let me get.
• 1:49:00
  Serious. I wonder.
• 1:49:00
  I truly. Because I'm like.
• 1:49:02
  I truly wonder if they, the writer, had written a happy
• 1:49:07
  ending initially. I don't think she did.
• 1:49:11
  I don't think so. I think that was meant to be
• 1:49:14
  Dang hyun. I thought.
• 1:49:16
  I thought that was maybe I'm like.
• 1:49:19
  It was a whole mystery, like people were trying to guess who
• 1:49:22
  it was In the sanitary, in the sanatorium I.
• 1:49:24
  Swear when they were like, Oh yeah, we're looking for Jong
• 1:49:27
  Hyun. I swear they said something like
• 1:49:30
  that. And so they're like, oh, there,
• 1:49:32
  that's Jong Hyun and then when? No.
• 1:49:37
  I know they mentioned Jong Hyun. It was pretty.
• 1:49:40
  They do. They're like, can you tell us
• 1:49:41
  about him? And he like, perks up.
• 1:49:43
  OK, maybe I. And then they say, oh, we know
• 1:49:45
  you're not crazy. OK, then I'm wrong, OK?
• 1:49:50
  And then he sort of initiates this whole flashback story, the
• 1:49:53
  entirety of the show. He is essentially the narrator,
• 1:49:57
  even though we don't hear him speak and like they make it seem
• 1:50:04
  like it's it was Rihanna the whole time.
• 1:50:08
  I don't think that. I honestly don't think that was
• 1:50:11
  in the first draft, I. Don't think so.
• 1:50:15
  It literally makes no sense. Like in the final episode,
• 1:50:19
  Ryangam is like, I'm going to pretend to be you and Jiang Kyun
• 1:50:23
  is like, no, you're not. Reverse Uno card steals his idea
• 1:50:28
  and like runs off to face off against all of these.
• 1:50:35
  What are they like Royal? They're sent from the palace
• 1:50:38
  like to try and catch him or whatever.
• 1:50:42
  And no, what the hell happens to Ryangam in that?
• 1:50:45
  How does scenario? Because he's just unconscious?
• 1:50:48
  How does he? Get imprisoned.
• 1:50:50
  He was no one thought to look for him like investigate where
• 1:50:53
  he was, break him out of the sanatorium.
• 1:50:56
  How did he get captured? We don't see that happens off
• 1:50:58
  screen. How did they connect him to Jang
• 1:51:00
  Hyun? Like does he have an ID card on
• 1:51:03
  him that says my name is Ryangam and I'm involved with Jang Hyun
• 1:51:07
  who's a a traitor of the state. Like what?
• 1:51:10
  How did they connect him to Jong Hyun?
• 1:51:13
  They just found this dude in the forest.
• 1:51:15
  From my memory, and again, it was a good minute since I
• 1:51:19
  watched the first episode. Like, it just made it seem like
• 1:51:25
  that he was waiting because didn't they say like, Oh yeah,
• 1:51:27
  he's going to come get me or he's waiting for him to get you
• 1:51:30
  or he's waiting for him to. Something, yeah.
• 1:51:33
  I'm waiting for him to either, he said.
• 1:51:35
  I'm waiting for him to come get me or he's been waiting for
• 1:51:37
  years for this to get him or someone to get him.
• 1:51:42
  It's something. Oh, this is a tragic story then.
• 1:51:45
  Because he's there. He's old.
• 1:51:46
  Apparently he's not that old. Apparently, he's not that old.
• 1:51:49
  That was like, OK. I'm like, oh, it's tragic.
• 1:51:53
  It's like he's old and like, you know, I don't know, they put
• 1:51:57
  this wig, they put this. Wig on beyond.
• 1:52:00
  I mean, it's like Gray and shit and he turns around in the final
• 1:52:04
  episode like bitch and it's literally the same actor playing
• 1:52:09
  Rangam Young playing him now with like a full on Gray ass
• 1:52:14
  wig. What the hell is that?
• 1:52:18
  Yeah, they refused to age. Him.
• 1:52:20
  I don't know. And and OK.
• 1:52:22
  How much time has passed? Exactly?
• 1:52:25
  Like what was the point of the investigation?
• 1:52:29
  And that an official going to investigate and talk to the
• 1:52:33
  young I'm in the sanatorium. Like I'm this whole red herring
• 1:52:37
  thing, like the framing device of the whole show.
• 1:52:40
  Shit, shit shit, 100,000. Percent at the Yeah, no for
• 1:52:45
  real. OK, so justice for Diango,
• 1:52:51
  because that was fucking weird. And then someone said, oh, we
• 1:52:55
  have to talk about Mr. Goo, her ex-husband, real fast.
• 1:52:58
  So piece of shit, motherfucker. So let's talk about him.
• 1:53:03
  Piece of shit, motherfucker. So I feel like Sam Jackson, this
• 1:53:09
  part of the show, OK, this man, he took credit for saving her in
• 1:53:14
  the woods against that like 17 on one fight later, he tried to
• 1:53:19
  fix it. He was like, no, no, no, it
• 1:53:20
  wasn't me. I just killed the last guy.
• 1:53:22
  And she was like, yeah, right, too little, too late.
• 1:53:26
  And he, he sort of liked her because she was audacious and
• 1:53:37
  had a great survival instinct and she would do anything to
• 1:53:40
  live. And he liked he liked her
• 1:53:44
  because of that. But to me it was like he wanted
• 1:53:48
  a bad bitch but didn't want a bad bitch at home.
• 1:53:51
  Yes. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:53:52
  And that was so like he wanted to tame a bad bitch.
• 1:53:54
  Exactly. And that's a trash person.
• 1:53:58
  My finger, she told him. She she told him like people
• 1:54:03
  like me and and the guys like me for how I am because the end
• 1:54:09
  they think that once I'm married I'll change think that they can
• 1:54:15
  take me once I once I once I get married.
• 1:54:17
  And he and she told him like no like you're you like the idea of
• 1:54:24
  me but I'm not going to change when I'm I'm going to be the
• 1:54:26
  same girl. I'm not going to change in my
• 1:54:29
  paraphrase. So, so yeah, that was very it
• 1:54:34
  was telegraphed that he wasn't going to take her back after she
• 1:54:40
  had been taken. He done.
• 1:54:42
  He done. He wasted so much time.
• 1:54:45
  He wasted so much time and he wasted so much time being all
• 1:54:50
  paranoid like. Oh yeah, I was.
• 1:54:53
  Like, no, not even believe. Like he believed that she was
• 1:54:56
  gone, but she was like, but he said, you know, oh, you know,
• 1:55:00
  she ran off again. Like you're not going to trust
• 1:55:03
  your wife. You're going to trust your wife?
• 1:55:07
  He's demanding loyalty from a woman who they're saying got
• 1:55:12
  napped. I'm like officer.
• 1:55:15
  He's like, she's she. She has a history of running
• 1:55:18
  away from your marriage, not from her livelihood and all of
• 1:55:23
  her family. And this little kid, this random
• 1:55:26
  little kid, they're going to hire this random little kid to
• 1:55:28
  be like, Oh yeah, like officer. He was, So what a freaking
• 1:55:35
  problem. So Mr. Goo, again, just a trash
• 1:55:40
  person. I could not stand him.
• 1:55:44
  Yeah. I couldn't stand him before and
• 1:55:46
  I couldn't stand him after he made these just terrible
• 1:55:51
  decisions. Moment that I had that.
• 1:55:53
  And then he not, he knocks up some.
• 1:55:55
  Girl, I was going to say that too.
• 1:55:56
  The fact that she oh. Girl like he goes, we're just
• 1:56:04
  like speech. So he goes, they pressure him
• 1:56:09
  into going to get her. Yeah.
• 1:56:11
  And he's like, oh shit, OK, so he takes some money, ransom
• 1:56:14
  money, and go on the way to Chang.
• 1:56:17
  He like, meets some dudes who were like, Oh yeah, I'm trying
• 1:56:21
  to ransom my son, I think back from Chang, 'cause he was taken
• 1:56:26
  unjustly. And they steal his ransom money,
• 1:56:31
  like the funds that he brought to get her out.
• 1:56:34
  And they're like, you don't he? Fucking kisses.
• 1:56:38
  Even after he catches them stealing, he catches him
• 1:56:41
  thieving and he's like, yeah, you can have my money so you can
• 1:56:44
  get your son out because. They're like my son is my and
• 1:56:48
  yeah. Yeah, and they told her while
• 1:56:51
  she was in that, like slavery camp.
• 1:56:55
  The marketplace, right? Oh yeah.
• 1:56:57
  No one ever comes to pick up the women.
• 1:56:59
  Yeah. No one's ever going to come.
• 1:57:02
  For well. What they said was no one comes
• 1:57:05
  for a wife, They'll come for a daughter, not a wife.
• 1:57:09
  Yeah, but they'll never come for a wife.
• 1:57:14
  Yeah. Which is like, fuck the
• 1:57:18
  patriarchy. Say that again, girl key.
• 1:57:21
  Chain on the ground, we were always.
• 1:57:24
  Skipping a turf. Sorry, me and my Taylor Swift
• 1:57:28
  obsession. So, Lord, I got.
• 1:57:32
  So I was like upended with this character because I was so mad
• 1:57:37
  at him and he made this the worst decision after worst
• 1:57:40
  decision. When she comes back, he's like,
• 1:57:43
  Oh yeah, I'll get rid of this bitch real quick if you tell me
• 1:57:47
  that you were not. Yeah, the oh, I'm like you.
• 1:57:52
  She's outside. Like, this is paper.
• 1:57:54
  Thin walls. She can hear you.
• 1:57:58
  The walls are made of paper. Yeah.
• 1:57:59
  So literally, literally, like, oh, that's just AI can fix that.
• 1:58:07
  What do you mean fix it? Lady outside that you just were
• 1:58:11
  saying bye to, like if she's your wife.
• 1:58:14
  What, you mean that's your baby? Like what?
• 1:58:19
  My gosh, how are? You going to be like JK my real
• 1:58:21
  wife's back? What a menace.
• 1:58:23
  Seriously, what a menace. I'll take you back if you're not
• 1:58:28
  what? I liked about their breakup was
• 1:58:30
  that not only were we just waiting for it and it finally
• 1:58:33
  happened, but she says I'm not divorced.
• 1:58:38
  She just takes ownership of it and takes some agency over it
• 1:58:42
  and says I'm not divorcing you because I was defiled in the in
• 1:58:48
  when I was taken. I'm divorcing you because I
• 1:58:51
  fell. I fell in love with John Hyun.
• 1:58:54
  That's right. That's right, girl.
• 1:58:56
  Because he was over there and he saved me and he was like, like
• 1:59:01
  he was like shocked. What do you?
• 1:59:06
  I'm speechless. I'm sorry he had me so
• 1:59:09
  speechless. And not in a.
• 1:59:10
  Good way. My God, he had me like gagged,
• 1:59:13
  bro. Like I was like, OK, so let's
• 1:59:15
  jump off him. And what was the last one that
• 1:59:18
  people wanted me to talk about? Oh, Yanjun.
• 1:59:24
  Well, we took him to task already, I think.
• 1:59:28
  OK, let's not. Let's not belabor the point.
• 1:59:30
  So Howard, that's done, someone said.
• 1:59:33
  Talk about the fact that Zhang Hyun was like a third lead in
• 1:59:36
  his own drama for part of the show.
• 1:59:39
  So this is a big nitpick of mine too.
• 1:59:43
  Was that Part 2 felt a little repetitive and irritating
• 1:59:50
  because the writer kept breaking up and separating our couple
• 1:59:54
  like for seemingly no reason, especially after she comes back
• 1:59:58
  from being kidnapped. From being enslaved, there's
• 2:00:02
  really no reason. Like the episodes, yes.
• 2:00:05
  Mm hmm. So, And they also took a lot of
• 2:00:10
  the narrative away from Kilche and focus more on Chang Hyun and
• 2:00:15
  his whereabouts and what he's up to.
• 2:00:18
  So that was still very interesting and compelling, but
• 2:00:21
  it made the story uneven because in the first part it was a lot
• 2:00:25
  of Kilche and a lot of Chang Hyun, and it was they were
• 2:00:27
  flipping back and forth between them at a much better pace.
• 2:00:31
  And in Part 2 it felt really uneven.
• 2:00:34
  So I see where that person is coming from.
• 2:00:37
  Where they said it was like he was his own, he had his own,
• 2:00:43
  like part of the drama. 3rd lead like a third lead.
• 2:00:45
  I don't know. The fact that he was like a
• 2:00:48
  third lead. So like not the first lead, but
• 2:00:50
  a third lead. Well, I don't know what that
• 2:00:55
  means. 3rd lead in his own drama for part of the show. 3rd lead
• 2:00:59
  in his own drama for part of the show.
• 2:01:00
  So like not the lead? Interesting.
• 2:01:03
  Oh, is it because like of this big like love triangle square?
• 2:01:08
  I I. Well, it's not even like a love
• 2:01:10
  triangle at this point. It's like so many players,
• 2:01:13
  right? Oh.
• 2:01:14
  Yeah. So love the I love rhombus so.
• 2:01:23
  I I don't know. Just joking.
• 2:01:26
  I don't. OK, maybe.
• 2:01:29
  I feel like. I don't know.
• 2:01:31
  I didn't feel that way. I don't feel that he was like.
• 2:01:35
  OK. I always felt like he was the
• 2:01:38
  first lead. Yeah, I don't think he was the
• 2:01:42
  3rd lead. OK, so another person's let's
• 2:01:46
  talk about the ending of part one where she chooses her family
• 2:01:51
  instead of being selfish and running away with him.
• 2:01:52
  OK, this is where a lot of people were pissed at.
• 2:01:54
  Guilty because she didn't elope with him and I.
• 2:02:03
  The problem with that is that she it happens late.
• 2:02:08
  Like the problem is later because she felt such loyalty
• 2:02:12
  toward her family, like all this love and devotion toward her
• 2:02:15
  family, her father, her siblings, the women that she
• 2:02:19
  went through the invasion years with and stuff.
• 2:02:23
  So all of that, it was like, no wonder that she didn't elope
• 2:02:29
  with him, because what was that life gonna be like?
• 2:02:32
  Yeah, I feel like my like my own.
• 2:02:36
  This is another like where I kind of put my own self into
• 2:02:40
  this because I was like, I totally understand because she
• 2:02:45
  had, you know, her loyalty. Well, yeah, same thing.
• 2:02:49
  Like, you know, she, she felt like she had that burden to
• 2:02:54
  carry to take care of her father, you know, and to take
• 2:02:56
  care of her siblings because, you know, they don't, first of
• 2:03:00
  all, her father can't, you know, can't take care of himself.
• 2:03:04
  He has a little brother and that needs someone to raise.
• 2:03:07
  And the sister is not there yet to like really take care of the
• 2:03:10
  household. So yeah.
• 2:03:19
  I see where she's coming from too, with the relationship with
• 2:03:21
  him, because he's constantly leaving he.
• 2:03:25
  He's known to not. He is constantly in and out of
• 2:03:29
  her life and not a consistent part of it, right?
• 2:03:33
  Like, absolutely. He helps her in times of need.
• 2:03:35
  Absolutely. He's trying to keep her alive.
• 2:03:38
  But I feel like she picks the the security like the secure
• 2:03:44
  choice. Yeah.
• 2:03:47
  And I think in that society, love is a luxury.
• 2:03:52
  True. And at that point she didn't
• 2:03:53
  have that luxury. She, you know what I'm saying?
• 2:03:55
  Like she couldn't afford it. Exactly.
• 2:03:58
  And. Yeah.
• 2:03:59
  So I I see where she was coming from.
• 2:04:02
  I see that she would had so much love for him and wanted to be
• 2:04:07
  with Tang Hyun, but he's a he's a bet.
• 2:04:10
  Yeah, that's like she's betting her life on him.
• 2:04:15
  We are introduced to him and how the whole non goody town knows
• 2:04:19
  him that he doesn't stay and he knows it too.
• 2:04:22
  He doesn't stay in one town for that long.
• 2:04:24
  He decides because of her to be like, I'm going to, I'm going to
• 2:04:27
  prove her wrong, I'm going to establish my life here and then
• 2:04:29
  goody no. So he was kind of already known
• 2:04:32
  for, like, not really being stable.
• 2:04:35
  Not really. Putting down roots and being
• 2:04:37
  this perpetual bachelor and you can't pin him down.
• 2:04:40
  Not that he. Wouldn't know.
• 2:04:41
  She didn't really know him exactly.
• 2:04:45
  She didn't really know him. So I get it.
• 2:04:48
  And the problem comes later for me.
• 2:04:51
  It's when she, like, after the fact, after she moves out on her
• 2:04:58
  own post divorce with Jong Jong. Yes, she had like, her father
• 2:05:04
  just came in and tried to kill her.
• 2:05:10
  And that was like a whole traumatic experience.
• 2:05:12
  I don't think I would ever fully recover after that.
• 2:05:16
  And she's like, why don't you and they take care of my family
• 2:05:20
  for me and I'll come back for them.
• 2:05:23
  So right. She never does.
• 2:05:25
  She never. Comes back for.
• 2:05:26
  Her mentally ill father for the younger sister, she leaves the
• 2:05:30
  brother behind. And the promise of taking care
• 2:05:33
  of them, of the helpless little brother, the bratty little
• 2:05:37
  sister, even going so far as to vow to give her sister like this
• 2:05:40
  fine wedding, All of these promises fell by the wayside,
• 2:05:45
  and she refused to elope with Jonghin because of her fiance,
• 2:05:51
  basically holding her family hostage.
• 2:05:53
  But like, what happened to that? Like the family after the family
• 2:05:58
  after she moves out? That's a thing it's in.
• 2:06:01
  We never see the family again. Yeah.
• 2:06:04
  Like her father, the brother the What happened to them?
• 2:06:07
  Who's taking care of them? That's the thing where, yeah,
• 2:06:11
  where it's like, OK, I get you, but.
• 2:06:14
  I get you in the in the middle like of the show.
• 2:06:16
  I get you in between part one and Part 2, but at the end of
• 2:06:19
  the show. And then she spends all this
• 2:06:21
  time looking for Chung Hyun because he's missing.
• 2:06:24
  And then they finally reveal that there was no body, so like
• 2:06:27
  he could be alive somewhere. She goes in search of him.
• 2:06:30
  Like who the fuck cares about the family at that point?
• 2:06:33
  But like, I think that's a huge part of her.
• 2:06:37
  I mean, I mean, unless she was like, you know what I should
• 2:06:40
  have this is, yeah. You know, so that was my issue
• 2:06:47
  with not the ending of part one, but the ending of the whole
• 2:06:51
  show. They didn't quite resolve that
• 2:06:55
  the way that I think they should have.
• 2:06:58
  Unless they're just implying like she.
• 2:06:59
  Someone said they liked the 1st 10 episodes and so they said
• 2:07:04
  like the 1st 10 episodes then was implausible and too
• 2:07:07
  repetitive. Bad writing.
• 2:07:08
  Acting was great. I sort of agree with that in a
• 2:07:12
  very in a very minor way, which I already I think I already.
• 2:07:16
  Said agree it was repetitive, but yeah, agreed minor.
• 2:07:25
  Let's talk about. So we already talked about
• 2:07:28
  Iyangam being a plot device. Like a shameless plot device.
• 2:07:32
  We already talked about Gilche and her I know, and the loyalty
• 2:07:36
  to her family. Oh my God.
• 2:07:38
  Let's talk about the amnesia trope that they had not once,
• 2:07:40
  twice, but twice in the show. OK, once.
• 2:07:44
  Once. OK.
• 2:07:46
  Because I I don't even like I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm kind of, you know,
• 2:07:50
  cheesy and corny. Like I do like a good amnesia
• 2:07:53
  trope. But they did it twice.
• 2:07:56
  I'm like, was it? Necessary.
• 2:07:59
  Yeah. No, no, it wasn't necessary.
• 2:08:02
  I think the first one I was kind of going with it, and then the
• 2:08:05
  second one I was like fuck out of here.
• 2:08:07
  But now that I'm removed from the show a little bit, I think
• 2:08:10
  they should have cut out the first one.
• 2:08:11
  And then this one, right? Left the last one.
• 2:08:15
  That would have been more impactful because I feel like
• 2:08:18
  the first one was like, really? I mean, I mean, it was kind of
• 2:08:23
  cute. It was just like it was felt
• 2:08:24
  like filler, like she was taking care of him.
• 2:08:29
  He couldn't remember her, and he was like they.
• 2:08:31
  Probably got some like some notes from.
• 2:08:35
  They had some cute moments together.
• 2:08:38
  She was kissing him on the cheek and hugging up on him and he was
• 2:08:41
  like, what the fuck are you doing, lady?
• 2:08:42
  Who are you? And she was like, we're allowed
• 2:08:45
  to do this, like that sort of stuff.
• 2:08:48
  It was cute, I know, But that I could have done without it
• 2:08:52
  though. For sure.
• 2:08:54
  It's the amnesia thing. Like, bro, it's 2023.
• 2:09:00
  Even me who likes it, I was like and I do.
• 2:09:04
  I was shocked. I honestly wasn't expecting it.
• 2:09:08
  But then I'm like, oh, OK, like we're gonna do this right now.
• 2:09:12
  And then the second time around, we're gonna do this again.
• 2:09:14
  OK, cool. I feel like they.
• 2:09:17
  I feel like they got the writer got notes.
• 2:09:20
  Like we need more them two together.
• 2:09:23
  What do you got? What do you got?
• 2:09:27
  I can give him amnesia and then they're like, we got to have a
• 2:09:32
  reason for him to, like, disappear at the end of the show
• 2:09:35
  to match, like the fact that Jangam isn't been in prison, and
• 2:09:38
  because otherwise Jangam Jangam would have definitely busted the
• 2:09:42
  Yangam. Oh yeah.
• 2:09:43
  Out of out of the sanatorium. Had he known he was?
• 2:09:46
  There. Yes, exactly.
• 2:09:49
  And how did he end up there? So.
• 2:09:52
  OK, that's another. That's the that's what I said.
• 2:09:55
  I was like, why? Why is he even in there, OK and
• 2:09:58
  not in a regular prison? Why was it?
• 2:10:00
  Why was he left alive? Did he feign insanity?
• 2:10:03
  Like I have all these questions? It doesn't matter anyway.
• 2:10:06
  Amnesia. Twice.
• 2:10:07
  I feel like that was a misstep. The ending reminded me of the
• 2:10:12
  crowned clown. Have you seen that show?
• 2:10:14
  I haven't. OK, you got to see it.
• 2:10:16
  It's amazing. Oh shit.
• 2:10:18
  I might spoil it for you. OK.
• 2:10:23
  It's out of my God, the end. OK.
• 2:10:26
  The ending of Crown Clown is basically everyone thinks that
• 2:10:30
  he died. The male lead dies but in fact
• 2:10:33
  he was injured and then comes back years later after being in
• 2:10:36
  a coma and like some random good-natured man like taking
• 2:10:40
  care of of like of his feeble unconscious body for years,
• 2:10:44
  which is not how like comas work, but OK.
• 2:10:50
  OK. It was like the worst, the
• 2:10:52
  worst. Like, little like hiccup in the
• 2:10:54
  in the ending on the way to a happy ending.
• 2:10:58
  And that's kind of what happened here, right?
• 2:11:00
  Like, he goes missing for all of these years and he was injured.
• 2:11:05
  And it turns out that he was retracing his steps in their
• 2:11:09
  relationship without him realizing exactly who he's
• 2:11:14
  recalling and sets up this life together based on one of the
• 2:11:21
  last conversations that they had.
• 2:11:23
  Which, again, this makes no sense.
• 2:11:25
  That's not really appealing. Very plausible as far as memory
• 2:11:30
  loss goes, but OK. That ring has to be a powerful
• 2:11:35
  ring or something. It has, it's it it it has
• 2:11:38
  powers. Oh, guilty, said she did curse
• 2:11:41
  it cause twice. Yeah, true, true, he.
• 2:11:45
  Dropped it twice and all of a sudden he has his back, right?
• 2:11:49
  Didn't he drop it again at the beach?
• 2:11:51
  I swear he dropped it again. Yeah, he did drop it.
• 2:11:53
  Yes, he did. So here's what I like.
• 2:11:55
  Here's what I liked about the ending is that, well, I guess we
• 2:12:00
  have to go back to Kilche's dream because she had a
• 2:12:03
  recurring dream. I personally have vivid dreams.
• 2:12:09
  So if I had, if we had this recurring dream of running to
• 2:12:14
  catch up to the red string of fate, only to never catch a
• 2:12:18
  glimpse of my beloved on the beach during golden hour, I'd be
• 2:12:22
  fucking concerned. But she was like I keep having
• 2:12:26
  this dream, the same dream every time.
• 2:12:28
  I can never catch up. Look at.
• 2:12:29
  Him the same dream. Weird.
• 2:12:32
  So I was like very concerned for her, But then at the end of the
• 2:12:36
  show, with Kilte and Jong Hyun on the beach, her finding him,
• 2:12:41
  it's just like her dream, which was.
• 2:12:45
  Literally. When?
• 2:12:46
  Like a port end of what was going to happen?
• 2:12:48
  Jump through hoops. She wanders the land in search
• 2:12:51
  of her love and finds him on the beach, and at first it's about
• 2:12:56
  her realizing or recognizing him, but in the end it's a
• 2:12:59
  reversal with it being about him recognizing her that.
• 2:13:06
  Is so true. Which I liked that bit that like
• 2:13:11
  full circle nature of it and like it being a call back to the
• 2:13:17
  dream and stuff, That's fine. But.
• 2:13:22
  That's fine, but it, I don't know.
• 2:13:27
  It's just not 100. I guess.
• 2:13:31
  And does she ever? Yeah.
• 2:13:32
  Does she ever figure out that it's him?
• 2:13:37
  What do you mean? Yeah, she does.
• 2:13:39
  She realizes it's him. Yeah, in her dream.
• 2:13:43
  Cuz I feel like she was, Or she was just denying it.
• 2:13:45
  What was that after? No, no, no.
• 2:13:48
  She. Yeah, She realized it was him
• 2:13:51
  the whole time. Like he was the one.
• 2:13:54
  He was the one. He is the one, OK, Yeah.
• 2:13:59
  Yeah. I mean, yeah.
• 2:14:01
  So the only other person that we haven't talked about is the
• 2:14:04
  Ching Princess Kakwa. I mean, hi.
• 2:14:08
  Yes. So here's my problem with her.
• 2:14:13
  It is just, I'm gonna go real fast because we've been here a
• 2:14:15
  while. So this is just another foul
• 2:14:18
  woman who's had everything she's ever wanted getting murderous
• 2:14:22
  because she can't have a man. It's tired.
• 2:14:26
  It's tired. It's been done to death.
• 2:14:28
  Seriously. The chatter online was that,
• 2:14:31
  yeah, so the chatter online was that NBC, which is the network
• 2:14:36
  that aired the show, insisted that this happened, that she
• 2:14:40
  like be a recurring character in Part 2 because they think it's
• 2:14:44
  an epic reunion of actors. Because both her and Nam Kunmin
• 2:14:49
  were in Awaken and $1.00 lawyer together.
• 2:14:54
  To which I say they're not Kate and Leo, OK?
• 2:14:58
  They're not Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan.
• 2:15:01
  So like, settle down, NBC. If that was true, like, who
• 2:15:07
  cares? Like, who the fuck cares?
• 2:15:08
  Yeah, I thought that her character was doing too much
• 2:15:12
  like it seemed like she was. She was a device.
• 2:15:15
  Cat playing with a toy. She was a device, but she was
• 2:15:18
  also like kind of a a cat playing with a toy.
• 2:15:21
  I expected her to get bored and move on to some other.
• 2:15:24
  Thing, I mean, she looked. By the time that and I was like,
• 2:15:29
  not her going all the way to Korea just to drag him back.
• 2:15:34
  Girl, here's the thing, the whole that character, every time
• 2:15:39
  she was on screen, I felt so uncomfortable.
• 2:15:43
  What a smug bitch. Girl.
• 2:15:47
  Like I could not. I was so uncomfortable and
• 2:15:50
  uneasy. And I'm like, oh, can we move
• 2:15:52
  along these scenes? And there was so like, awkward.
• 2:15:55
  And I know that they're trying to do like some kind of tension
• 2:15:58
  between them. But I'm like, it's not about me.
• 2:16:00
  Like, it's just like she's looking at him with these dead
• 2:16:03
  eyes. And like, he's just like.
• 2:16:06
  Like there's nothing. No, humanity.
• 2:16:08
  There her like he wants to kill her.
• 2:16:11
  So like, just have him kill her. No, I'm just kidding.
• 2:16:14
  Just it was just like, I didn't enjoy the scenes that they had
• 2:16:17
  together. So I feel like like there was no
• 2:16:20
  point with her. Literally just a device.
• 2:16:25
  Yeah, something else that was annoying in the last few
• 2:16:29
  episodes. The reveal.
• 2:16:30
  That was it. Girl.
• 2:16:37
  This wasn't the final few episodes that they touch on,
• 2:16:40
  this recurring nightmare slash repressed memory, and we get the
• 2:16:44
  full story, and even though it's really like a chunky story, like
• 2:16:50
  really kind of interesting and impressive, it they had this
• 2:16:56
  intense moment too with the father and him, This reunion
• 2:16:59
  scene where he's like, I'm going to take away everything you
• 2:17:01
  loved, I took away something that was precious with you from
• 2:17:03
  you and blah blah blah, it's it's too late.
• 2:17:07
  Like too. Little too late.
• 2:17:09
  We're too much too late. By this time, I'm like, I don't
• 2:17:12
  it was. Give it to me like it was too
• 2:17:15
  much, too late. And I like the I liked it.
• 2:17:20
  Like by itself. It's good because it had like it
• 2:17:23
  was touching on the hypocrisy and like the deconstruction of
• 2:17:27
  his father's problematic ideals and like his murderous politics.
• 2:17:32
  But all this happened too late, which makes it seem half baked.
• 2:17:35
  No, Yeah. By the time that it came to
• 2:17:39
  fruition, I was like, no, one can't at this point.
• 2:17:43
  We're just going to just move this alone and make sure that
• 2:17:46
  our main characters get together.
• 2:17:48
  And you know, maybe if they trickled it in a little bit so
• 2:17:52
  that we can anticipate it, at least for me at least I can
• 2:17:54
  anticipate it. Because even his, from my
• 2:17:58
  memory, his, his flashbacks, I just remember that he's outside
• 2:18:03
  in the pouring rain and he's looking at this gate and it's
• 2:18:06
  like someone's getting beat. And I he's yelling out for his
• 2:18:10
  father. And the whole time I thought it
• 2:18:12
  was his father getting beat because no, I'm like, where did
• 2:18:18
  I go wrong? Like, what did I miss?
• 2:18:22
  Because then later on it was the dad beating the guy.
• 2:18:25
  I'm like, what? I'm I'm not like, what did I
• 2:18:29
  miss that? I didn't get that.
• 2:18:30
  I didn't get that because, you know, he, we played around with
• 2:18:34
  the whole, oh, he's not a real noble guy or a noble man, you
• 2:18:36
  know, And it turns out. He bought his title and he was
• 2:18:42
  noble. So I'm like.
• 2:18:43
  Yes, it was like, I don't know it was just too much like a lot
• 2:18:49
  of back story thrown at us in a very little amount.
• 2:18:52
  It's not. It's just an exposition dump
• 2:18:54
  because and it was important, like I think it was important
• 2:18:59
  because he you needed to know all this, to know why he feels
• 2:19:04
  that's this way about society, why he's such a trend, what's
• 2:19:09
  the what's the word that he's like going against trends.
• 2:19:14
  He's such a rebel. That's it.
• 2:19:17
  He is such a rebel and feels this way about women in society
• 2:19:24
  and women's place in society and how he's so like real and and
• 2:19:31
  ahead of his time liberal. He's so liberal with his
• 2:19:37
  thoughts about like women and and purity culture and stuff
• 2:19:42
  like that. It's because of the situation
• 2:19:44
  that happened in his past where his sister committed suicide
• 2:19:49
  because the father would not accept this relationship between
• 2:19:52
  her and the servant because this.
• 2:19:54
  And then there was this whole thing of like the servant was
• 2:19:58
  the last family of some. I'm like.
• 2:20:01
  Like other noble family that the dad, like, unjustly took down.
• 2:20:06
  And so he was working in the household and the father didn't
• 2:20:09
  trust that he, like, truly loved her, that this was just a ploy
• 2:20:13
  for him to get revenge for his. I was like, what the fuck this
• 2:20:17
  is too. Much I would.
• 2:20:18
  I would listen. It's OK if he's not a noble man.
• 2:20:24
  It's OK, noble man. That's true.
• 2:20:27
  It's OK. We're going to be OK.
• 2:20:31
  If if the servant was not a no good and even if you know John
• 2:20:36
  Hyun wasn't one, it would have been fine too.
• 2:20:39
  But you're right though, that back story was important to see
• 2:20:43
  why he's like that. You know where it came from and
• 2:20:45
  stuff like that. But.
• 2:20:48
  Why he's so compassionate toward her?
• 2:20:50
  And compassionate towards towards that you know, but we
• 2:20:54
  got it like at. The Unbelievable.
• 2:20:58
  That's the end. 02 more things, Two more nitpicks that I have.
• 2:21:01
  I don't know if you have these same picky nits, but I don't
• 2:21:04
  think Anne should have taken background.
• 2:21:06
  Doing say that again. They should have stayed broken.
• 2:21:10
  Up. They should have stayed broken.
• 2:21:11
  Up she goes to visit. She goes back to the house.
• 2:21:15
  The house is of mess and he's like, can I come with you Back
• 2:21:20
  to Nungun. Shameless.
• 2:21:22
  Call him the audacious. The audacious.
• 2:21:24
  The Audacious. No, I can't.
• 2:21:28
  Like. The shamelessness on him because
• 2:21:32
  he killed, he basically kills Jiang Hen and saves him at the
• 2:21:35
  same time like this backward ass way he like saves him, but he's
• 2:21:40
  been nothing but ruthless to her after she bared her soul to him.
• 2:21:47
  And Endei was such a precious soul.
• 2:21:48
  She didn't deserve that at all. He did not deserve her at.
• 2:21:53
  All. Yongjun did not deserve her, so
• 2:21:56
  I don't think she should have taken him back.
• 2:21:57
  And number last thing I have here is Big Hyung Nim.
• 2:22:01
  Did he did he have to die? Actually, I don't think he did.
• 2:22:05
  They. Big Hyung Nim played by one of
• 2:22:08
  the best actors to Trey MU. Oh my God, Trey MU Song.
• 2:22:14
  I love that actor. He's been in so many things and
• 2:22:17
  I don't think he had to die. Like I thought they were going
• 2:22:19
  to give him a little arc for him to get over his own misogyny and
• 2:22:23
  unfair prejudice and get with that Lady who ended up
• 2:22:25
  tragically losing her baby. I was.
• 2:22:29
  Waiting I was waiting for. That never happened.
• 2:22:30
  He died. I'm like don't give, don't tease
• 2:22:33
  me like that, Don't tease me with.
• 2:22:35
  Don't tease me. Because I'm like, you're giving
• 2:22:38
  little hints here and there between them too.
• 2:22:41
  And I'm like, oh, nothing, He died.
• 2:22:44
  I'm like, OK, Yep, that was unnecessary.
• 2:22:48
  Yeah, He didn't have to die for sure.
• 2:22:50
  I don't think so. Yeah, I will always remember
• 2:22:54
  them kissing in the fields. That is such an iconic scene.
• 2:22:58
  In part one, I. Love that scene.
• 2:22:59
  Iconic scene, lots of sweeping shots, color and movement in the
• 2:23:04
  cinematography and I will always remember some of that OST as
• 2:23:08
  well. Good stuff.
• 2:23:09
  Yeah, my basic notes are well casted and well OST like the
• 2:23:17
  OST. I love that.
• 2:23:20
  Well, OST. The OST just fits so perfect.
• 2:23:26
  I was like, oh, this is so good. Perfect for this, the, you know,
• 2:23:29
  psychic. And just for the whole, Yeah, I
• 2:23:34
  loved it. Epic.
• 2:23:36
  I have come to the end of my notes.
• 2:23:38
  They were extensive. I'm so sorry, but I had to get
• 2:23:41
  it all out now so that I can close the book on the my dearest
• 2:23:45
  era for myself. OK.
• 2:23:47
  Do you have anything else you want to add to Rush?
• 2:23:49
  See, my last notes are I said, I said that.
• 2:23:54
  I said that I have to do an honorable mention.
• 2:24:00
  OK, so we don't really touch much on the king.
• 2:24:04
  He was trash. Oh my God, the.
• 2:24:07
  King. He was definitely trash.
• 2:24:10
  What a. Farce.
• 2:24:12
  But however I did actually, I think I really like Crown
• 2:24:17
  Prince. Like, I really liked his
• 2:24:19
  character, even though he wasn't a.
• 2:24:21
  Interesting. He wasn't a perfect character,
• 2:24:23
  but I liked his development and where he came from.
• 2:24:27
  And then at one point he was like he he was able to see.
• 2:24:32
  I feel like he would have been a good king.
• 2:24:34
  He was able to develop. Into a good king.
• 2:24:36
  And with the help of, you know, John Han too.
• 2:24:40
  And I feel like it was a shame that he died.
• 2:24:43
  It was a shame that he died. It was a shame that he died.
• 2:24:46
  Were you surprised when he died? I was so shocked.
• 2:24:50
  I was shocked like he was. So he was looking really sickly
• 2:24:55
  and tasty throughout the like progressively throughout the
• 2:24:59
  show and he ends up finally back home in Korea or toss on.
• 2:25:04
  And when he says like, oh, I have to wait for the Crown
• 2:25:08
  Princess to for her to come back with her like porridge or
• 2:25:12
  something like that, milk tea or something she was going to bring
• 2:25:16
  him. And then that's it.
• 2:25:19
  He fucking like breathes his last right there, like open
• 2:25:21
  eyes, just the soul leaves the body.
• 2:25:24
  And I was like, what? I was shocked.
• 2:25:27
  That's it though. That's it.
• 2:25:29
  That's it. Because.
• 2:25:31
  That's all he said. I was very annoyed because him
• 2:25:39
  his interaction between him and Jong Hyun, I loved.
• 2:25:44
  I loved it so much because they challenge each other well, Jong
• 2:25:48
  Hyun challenged him so much and. Yes.
• 2:25:52
  As much as like you know. Questioned his authority?
• 2:25:57
  Invalid. Ways definitely.
• 2:25:59
  And at some point he starts to get it and he starts to like be
• 2:26:04
  open, open minded. And it's just such a shame
• 2:26:07
  because he could have been a good king.
• 2:26:08
  And I feel like they I was just expecting and their relationship
• 2:26:13
  between John Kian and the Crown Prince to develop which I was
• 2:26:17
  happy when he when John Kian said to the king like I was not
• 2:26:22
  just the interpreter, I was a very cherished his.
• 2:26:26
  Cherished. Interpreter So I feel like
• 2:26:29
  justice to Crown Prince, even though, like he wasn't, you
• 2:26:32
  know, the best. He was a little, he was a little
• 2:26:36
  nasty earlier. But I feel like it's it was a
• 2:26:42
  good got like you know 2 male. Well they're not friends but how
• 2:26:48
  they're you know he John, he had just impacted him.
• 2:26:52
  He just impacted him. There was like a mutual respect
• 2:26:55
  there by the end. Because they kept looking for
• 2:26:56
  John Young. What do I do now, bro?
• 2:26:59
  Yeah, you know, And he's done. Yeah, he was a playmaker.
• 2:27:02
  And so I just yeah. Also shout out to the Crown
• 2:27:05
  Princess who died really brutally, like she was poisoned
• 2:27:10
  for days. It was bad.
• 2:27:11
  It was bad. She got framed by the by the
• 2:27:17
  concubine that she was leaving trinkets around the palace that
• 2:27:22
  were cursing her elders and the the the king.
• 2:27:26
  That was a little frustrating to.
• 2:27:27
  It was dumb as shit, all right? It was dumb.
• 2:27:29
  That's it. Yeah.
• 2:27:31
  Anyway, great show, great show, great show.
• 2:27:33
  I got a great time. Great show.
• 2:27:36
  Yeah, highly recommend. If you've come this far.
• 2:27:38
  I am so sorry, but we might have spoiled the whole show for you.
• 2:27:42
  It was a happy ending. Finally, I think everyone was.
• 2:27:45
  It's not that I'm upset that it was a happy ending, I'm just
• 2:27:48
  upset the the little baby journey that we took at the end
• 2:27:50
  there was like a little necessary.
• 2:27:53
  Annoying but. Yeah.
• 2:27:54
  Whatever. That's it though.
• 2:27:58
  We've come to the end of it. Sarai, I want to thank you so
• 2:28:00
  much for coming on this show and for spending all of this time
• 2:28:03
  and coming prepared and just being so enthusiastic about my
• 2:28:07
  dearest with me. Because I was like, look, I was
• 2:28:10
  like looking for someone to share this experience with who
• 2:28:14
  would just, like, get it and be super on board with doing this
• 2:28:18
  last minute episode that I was like, you know what, I think we,
• 2:28:21
  I think I need to talk about this.
• 2:28:22
  So thank you so much. Where can we find you online?
• 2:28:27
  Instagram for sure. You'll find me there at K Drama
• 2:28:31
  Cafe under score Podcast and that's pretty much it.
• 2:28:35
  I have a TikTok K Drama Cafe under score Podcast.
• 2:28:38
  I barely post anything there, but for sure Instagram.
• 2:28:41
  And then my podcast is you can find K Drama Cafe Podcast.
• 2:28:48
  Yeah, Spotify. K Drama Cafe.
• 2:28:51
  So we had sold You and Cafecito today.
• 2:28:58
  What is it? Combo.
• 2:28:59
  But you know, combo so. Yeah, gumbo shots.
• 2:29:04
  So that's it. We'll see you next time.
• 2:29:09
  I'm Jessica and this has been the Tabaki Rabbits podcast.
• 2:29:30
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