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Operation Ivy - minisode · Deprogrammed Music Podcast

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Strangely enough with Op Ivy, we could have technically done A1
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record full on deprogrammed. I mean, it would have it would
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have ultimately been the the same way it worked out.
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You know, we did. I mean, we might have pushed it
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up to 10, but we did. We did Bruce Willis and Bruce
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Willis I think was only 24 songs so but his was over 2 records so
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that would be the big difference here.
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So, John, I mean, this feels pretty obvious because we just
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did Rancid, but what else? What else about Op Ivy do we
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need to know as as we go in? There, I mean, yeah, what can
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you say? They're just one of those bands
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that like when you're when you're 14 or 15 years old and
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you're just getting into punk rock, like someone will hand you
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the Operation Ivy discography and a shirt and be like, here
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you go, you're on your way. Like they're just.
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I mean, it's, it's just amazing to think they were like 1718
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years old and we're able to kind of take this, take these two
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genres of music and fuse them together and create this sound
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that like whenever anyone heard it, they were immediately like,
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well, this is the greatest thing of all time and this is what I
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want to do. Like they created a genre like
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that had almost never been done before, like Scott never been
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been played like that before. And they're just, I mean,
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they're just the, the way that Jesse sings, the lyrics are so
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deep for the time. Like you had this guy 1718 years
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old and he's like, guys, this stuff still resonates with me at
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like 44 years old. Like I can still go back and,
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and listen to it and be very, very impressed with the
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songwriting. And then, you know, obviously we
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talked about Matt Freeman's bass playing in Rancid, just an an
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incredible talent on the on the bass, which I always love.
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And then, you know, Lent Tim Armstrong here, like kind of not
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not be playing the front man, but being the, you know, playing
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that really hard guitar and just creating the sound that would
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like resonate for generations to come.
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Like they're just they're just an amazing band.
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And they existed for, you know, 18 months or two years or
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whatever it was. Like you can go and watch their
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their last show on on YouTube in the end where they play unity.
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Like everyone jumps on the stage, you know, there there May
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1 of the reasons that I, you know, became really obsessed
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with the Gilman street and Lookout record stuff.
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And like that stuff became a big part of my life.
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So just an incredible band, short lived, you know, only only
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the one record. You know, there's, there's other
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things out there, you know, bootlegs and demos and stuff you
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can find, but just an an amazing band, One of one of the most
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legendary punk rock bands. So you immediately signed on,
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Randy, OP, Ivy, tell me. Yeah, I think I actually
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suggested this to you a couple months ago, Like, hey, Justin,
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if you're falling behind, we can knock this out in about an hour.
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You know, like listen to it for for the hour that it is and then
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just go and play it. Yeah.
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Everything that John said, I'm just going to piggyback off of.
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They are almost like folklore now.
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It's almost like it almost didn't happen in a way because
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like any opportunity for them to get back together, I know they
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did the little thing at your cousin's house.
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John was in my cousin's house, yes.
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Yeah, that's, that's kind of sting.
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But like, you know, every opportunity where people like
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operation I have to get back together, get back together, get
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back together. It just didn't eat.
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It wasn't even a thought almost. It just never, never seemed like
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it was possible. And yeah, I, I fully, honestly,
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I'm probably that guy that John was saying that's, you know, if
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I was a freshman in high school and junior in high school gave
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me the energy CD and, and said go on your merry way.
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And, and I came back. It's like I came back to school
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the next day a man and was wearing an Operation Ivy hoodie,
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which in my junior year of high school, I literally wore an
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Operation Ivy hoodie every single single day, every day.
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And if, if, if, if that hoodie was in the the wash, then I was
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wearing a lesson Jake hoodie. I just switched off between the
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two. They are one of the most
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influential bands to a certain genre that I've ever seen ever.
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Like, I mean, I don't want to really put them in this
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category, but like they're kind of in their field.
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They're Beatles esque, you know what I mean?
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Like everybody after that took what they were doing and made it
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their own. Somebody said, like the Boss
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Stones, Boston said, I'll listen to that.
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We can do that, but put some put some horns to it, make it, you
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know, give the actual scar idea, the original sky idea, you know,
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a punk flavor. And we there you go.
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There's new, there's a third wave and lesson.
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Jake, I just said they they they were one of the early pioneers.
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They did the same thing. They were basically kind of the
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same as as Op Ivy. They they formed the band when
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they were like 1819 and they just after, after a couple years
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took off and they're still making records to this day.
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But like literally that whole entire ska boom that happened in
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the mid 90s, not one of those bands, not one of those bands
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that you could say like Real Big Fish and Rancid and you, you
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name whatever ska band that got popular in that era, Not one of
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those bands. It was not 100% and maybe even
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cited as the main influence by Operation Ivy, not 10.
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Yeah, that that wouldn't exist without them. 100%.
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Bradley same question to you. You, you said I'm in talk.
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Talk to me about Op Ivy. Yeah, no, as, as we mentioned
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earlier, I was, you know, a big fan of Rancid and I was also a
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huge fan of Green Day. So it's kind of only a matter of
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time before I end up, you know, finding this record and then,
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yeah, I mean, I, I, you know, Randy and John kind of said it
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best. So there's not much more I can
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add, but yeah, they're incredibly influential.
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And yeah, it's, you know, it's one of those that was always in
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my, my little zip up CD case thing for my car, you know, I
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was headed in there. And it's always one that would
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that I'd throw on because it's not that long of an album and
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it's, you know, perfect driving music.
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So, you know, I had quite a few listens of it.
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So so I was happy to participate in in this little experiment we
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got going on here. You know, that's it's
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interesting you bring up Green Day because like there's a
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connection there. Like obviously Green Day, I
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think to this day will cover knowledge.
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Almost. Every day, like a silly kind of
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version of it, like how was the country version of it?
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But they've kind of carried that that Operation Ivy kind of
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legacy on. And like, obviously Billy Joe
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was just a kid going to see these shows.
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Actually, I think there there's, you know, Billy Joel almost
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almost joined Rancid for a while when they were looking for a
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second guitar player. I think he played a few shows
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with them. But there there's definitely
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like they, they Operation Ivy Green Day, like when when
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Operation Ivy broke up, Green Day was the band from that scene
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that kind of started to rise and take on that mantle.
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Yep. So I'm familiar with the name
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Operation Ivy. If you showed me the album
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cover, I've seen it God knows how many times, you know?
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Yeah, if. You see Randy wear that hoodie,
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then you would. Have seen it.
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Every picture of me from my junior Senior High School.
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I've still got my Operation Ivy shirt from high school.
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And I mean, it's, it's funny that I never got in because I'm
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a fan of Green Day. I'm a fan of blank.
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Blank definitely, you know, gives up Ivy their their due.
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I'm aware of Rancid, you know, I'm, I'm aware of a lot of the
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stuff that that came from Operation Ivy and very much
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enjoy things that came from Operation Ivy.
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So it is bizarre to me that I never, I, I don't know, maybe I
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just kind of didn't know the story is the story and that
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there was only the one record and that it would have taken an
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hour and just do it. Like.
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I think it kind of just took John going, can we just do this
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now? I was like, all right.
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Fine. It was the right time.
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If there was ever a time, it was this.
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Yeah. Of course.
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So we're, we're doing this a little differently.
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We, we're only pulling because it's, it's, it's 27 songs, one
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record. We're, we're only going to do 5.
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So we only get 8 songs each, and part of the reason we settled on
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that we'll talk about more afterwards.
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But I kind of wanted to just make Randy angry because he
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wanted more. He wanted more.
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And that's the truth. But I, I also think 88's a good
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number. So we're looking, looking to
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make 5 and, and look, I, I always say this, don't be me.
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If you like, if you like punk rock at all, if you like Scott
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all, if you like, if you like a lot of the bands we've already
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talked about, there's literally zero chance you won't like this.
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So just take the hour. Go listen to Operation Ivy.
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Don't be me. But if you do need that extra
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little edge, I'm going to start here.
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The name of the game is deprogrammed.
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The four of us have come to the one record 27 songs and plucked
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out eight. They were now going to match
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together. We got a top five.
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Starter did that when I was 14. Starter kit for you, in case you
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have never given Operation Ivy the time of day.
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Look, man. That this would be the show for
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like 12 year olds like this is the one that you need to listen
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to I'm. Gonna play it for my son.
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Yeah. So look, we all know I'm a
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sucker for a track one. This is 11 band with one album.
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I'm going to go knowledge. Yeah.
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Yes. Yes, there.
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We go, there's one. Yeah, I know things that get
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dumb up. When you can't get there.
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And it could go anywhere from here.
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Pretty much. But this one, this one was the
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most Gimme of the gimmies I feel like.
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Yeah. All right, John.
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Well, real quick, I want to because I mentioned there's,
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there's other Operation Ivy songs out there that you can
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find. And one of them is called Hedge
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Core, which really I think they had this thing where they would
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jump into hedges randomly around Berkeley.
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And like Operation Ivy is kind of kind of a similar thing the
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name came out of. So I really wanted to take hedge
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core. It's like a 9 minute sky jam.
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Seek that one out if you if you can.
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But I did not take it. I'm going to go with jaded.
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No. No.
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I do not. Guys, Nope, me neither.
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Guys, 8 songs we're going to have to we're going to have to
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re evaluate this. 8 freaking songs.
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We're going to we're going to need some NTP on this one.
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I mean, it's it's quite possible we get there.
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Actually it's. Quite possible.
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We get there all right, Randy. Take warning.
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Take warning. Yes, I have it.
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I don't. No SO.
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Take. Two see that one has.
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The same thing. How do you?
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Not fucking have. The sock.
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Because there's only 8, Randy. All right, Bradley.
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I got thrown right back in my face.
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Well, we've mentioned track 1, three and four.
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How about Track 2 sound system? Yes.
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I got it. Yes.
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There we go. That was.
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That was automatic. There's a there's a movie about
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the the Gilman Street scene called Turn It Around that came
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out a few years ago. And there's a scene where Tim
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Armstrong is just sitting in the UC Berkeley campus with an
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acoustic guitar and he's just strumming sound system.
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People are just walking by oblivious.
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I'm like, are you kidding me? Let's see.
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Sorry, I'm just writing the ones that did not get unanimous.
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All right, background to me, this one came up earlier and it
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made my list, so why not bring it up now?
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Unity. No.
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Yes, yes, you gotta have unity. Come on.
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I look, there's a reason why I think that I didn't take it over
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the other ones. It's because back in like O3O4,
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when the Iraq War was really, you know, that that was the what
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was going on in the world. Every band covered this.
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At every show you'd go three shows you go fries on.
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Rock against Bush. That's like your favorite.
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It is. You're right.
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I like, I realized in the last two days, I like 8 other songs
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better than you know. Yeah, it is.
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It is but. The last song they played is a
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band at the last show. That's interesting.
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Now that's an interesting 1 though, John.
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All right, in, in high school, I, I chose a lyric from the song
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to be one of my senior quotes. You know, you do that thing in
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the yearbook. We're like, we're going to give
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you like 3 or 4 lines to, to put next to your picture and you can
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have a whole thing and everybody does their kind of cheesy thing.
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So mine was, I was going to pick what was once rebellion is now
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clearly just a social sect, sect.
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Like if they're that, that's a word to to their unending non
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credit. The the yearbook directors at my
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school decided to change that to secret instead of sect, which
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changes the meaning completely and and ruined the the whole
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vibe that I was going for. So fuck you to those people and
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gonna find you. Yes, I have it.
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I don't it's got 2. Yep.
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All right, gonna find you 2. I should have done a thing for
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this, but I did not. All right, Randy.
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This is gonna be a wanted. I don't care cuz I love the
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goddamn song. I remember specifically being in
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my room sitting there with a guitar and probably like a
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printed out guitar tab open and just playing this over and over
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and over again trying to get it down.
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And it's just I. It has no lyrics, but I don't
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give a flying fuck. It's the most catchy song, maybe
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one of the most catchy songs off this record, Bank shot.
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I got that. Was a Somebody's got it.
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Bradley, did you say you had it? No, I do not.
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Well, I thought I heard it. I didn't think so, but I I had
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to take it for my own fandom all.
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Right, so it's just a 1 then. Big shot here.
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Let's do the do the thing once again.
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If it's one record with 27 songs, I don't really have
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reasons for not having anything, so I owe you nothing.
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Well I was gonna say this seems like the easiest one to cut
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because it doesn't have lyrics. Instrumental.
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Yeah, all. Right, Bradley?
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Let's see. Well, I don't have any cool
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stories like the last couple. I'll just, I just have a song I
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like. I like the song Big City.
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I'm gonna say that during after everyone, but no.
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Oh man, I thought I had that one.
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No, no good one but and probably #9 or 10.
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And you brought it up on the last episode noticed.
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So that was good timing, I suppose.
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All right, how about the crowd? Yes, I got that.
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I do too. Nope. 3.
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There's the three. I'll add that to.
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This is why. All right, John.
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Officer Yep, I. Thought I had that one too, no?
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I do not. I think I must have cut that
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like right before because I thought I had it.
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All right, Randy. About.
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I do not. Nope, Nope, you're.
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Going off the wall on these, you didn't have like some of the
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classic ones, but you you're picking the off the wall once
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as. There's a lot of songs out the
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record and then I only had a big aid, so it happens.
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Sayings. All right, Bradley.
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I only have one song left and vulnerability.
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No, no. That was #9.
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All right, so Bradley's done. I've still got 4 left.
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How about bombshell? That was that was 9 for me.
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Nope all. Right, dead in the water.
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All right, John. Healthy body.
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No. Nope, Randy.
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Worm without a window. No.
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Nope. All right, smiling.
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Nope. Yeah, friends are watching.
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No, I didn't. Take it that's that was one I
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cut. I originally made a list.
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I originally flagged 10 of them and that was one of my 2 cuts to
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narrow it down to 8. John.
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My last one is freeze up. Nope.
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Nope. Rainy.
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Last one is bad Town. That was the other one I cut for
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Mike. It's head.
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Nope. Well.
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We got we got 4 to put it on five.
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Yeah, I got, I got 2 left yelling in my ear.
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I got no, we what did we cover? Like, almost the entire record
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there. I think.
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One just about. 6. I think 7 got no votes if I
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counted correctly. So funnily enough, So what 22
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got in unanimous knowledge and sound system.
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I guess everybody must. I mean, again, there's we only
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had eight songs out of the 27. So do we take those threes?
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What do we got the crowd in unity.
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Let's just make a top six and put them all in.
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If this is like a one off then. All right, So what is that?
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They all deserve it. What is that?
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The crowd? Unity.
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Take warning, come find you ain't.
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Gonna find you. Gonna find you.
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Let's see one knowledge sound system Unity take warning.
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Gonna find you the crowd there you.
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Go. I can't.
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I can't cut any of those. I'm with it, yeah.
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That's. Yep, I'm with it.
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Because that unmitigated disaster?
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Let's just do it. What do you?
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Expect. Yeah, we did.
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We did it though. We got through it.
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Yeah. And I mean, look here, let me,
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I'm going to give you an exact runtime here, folks. 27 songs,
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50 minutes, 47 seconds. It's worth every second.
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If you, if you like any of these six songs, if you like any of
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the the bands that we've mentioned, it's worth taking
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your time and listening to this record.