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5/15/26: Trump Confesses "We Did It For Israel", AI Experiment Goes Wrong, Chuck Park, Ro Khanna · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 5: Well, big show for everybody.
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  Speaker 3: Today, we have Trump, freshly from a g meeting, talking
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  Speaker 3: about the Iran War, some new clips there about who
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  Speaker 3: he's doing this war for.
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  Speaker 5: Then we're gonna be.
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  Speaker 3: Looking at an AI block. Whether there was an experiment
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  Speaker 3: RAN with an AI town. How did that town run
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  Speaker 3: with the AI models. I'll let you guess. We'll get
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  Speaker 3: to that in a second. We also have Chuck Park
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  Speaker 3: in New York running for Congress in New.
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  Speaker 3: show Rocanna joining us to talk about his latest tiff
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  Speaker 3: with Donald J. Trump, as well as an upcoming Thomas
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  Speaker 3: Massey election this week, and maybe a few more stories.
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  Speaker 3: But Ran and we let you pick the choice for
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  Speaker 3: the first shot that we're gonna play today, Ryan, what
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  Speaker 3: are we gonna listen to here?
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  Speaker 5: Well, it was a hard call.
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  Speaker 4: Trump's interview yesterday was just delightful from beginning to end,
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  Speaker 4: but we had to go with the one that where
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  Speaker 4: he says, yeah, the Iran War wasn't really for me
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  Speaker 4: or for you or for us some particular places in
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  Speaker 4: the world. Let's let's see who we're destroying ourselves for.
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  Speaker 5: Let's take a listen. We don't need it at all.
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  Speaker 6: We don't need a fair enough so I mean, you
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  Speaker 6: could make the case, you know, like, why are we
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  Speaker 6: even we're doing it to help Israel and to help
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  Speaker 6: Saudi Arabia and to help Guitar and UAE and you know,
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  Speaker 6: Kuwait and other countries.
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  Speaker 5: Brain it also helps China.
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  Speaker 6: I told him today, I said, and we're helping you
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  Speaker 6: in another way because I don't think they want I
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  Speaker 6: don't think China wants a ran to have a nuclear
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  Speaker 6: weapon either said this, don't go crazy. You don't need
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  Speaker 6: them having a nuclear weapon. What you say, well, he's
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  Speaker 6: not going to respond to its cool guy. He's not
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  Speaker 6: going to say, oh gee, that's a good point.
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  Speaker 7: I think he involved.
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  Speaker 5: But what a wonderful point. Do you think he agreed?
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  Speaker 7: I think I was impression.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think he wants him to know. He would
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  Speaker 6: like to see an end.
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  Speaker 5: Incredible Where do we start with that?
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  Speaker 4: Throwing in Kuwait and Bahrain at the end is kind
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  Speaker 4: of incredible because those two countries in particular, have been
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  Speaker 4: absolutely smashed, like their their oil infrastructure, their economies. Kuwait
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  Speaker 4: interestingly kind of never really recovered from the Iraq invasion
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  Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety one. In nineteen ninety one, it was
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  Speaker 4: like on its way to becoming like the Dubai. What
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  Speaker 4: would you know what end up becoming Dubai. But because
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  Speaker 4: of that, you know aura that comes from you were
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  Speaker 4: invaded and occupied for a little while, it's just not
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  Speaker 4: going to develop the expat international community that you need.
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  Speaker 4: And so if that's what happened to Kuwait just from
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  Speaker 4: this like invasion and then then getting kicked back out
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  Speaker 4: thirties plus years ago, what's what is Dubai gonna look
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  Speaker 4: like thirty years from now? Like you know, they rely
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  Speaker 4: on people from all over the world who are like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: the weather there is terrible, but we're going to live
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  Speaker 4: like this really luxurious life and we're going to have like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, seven different you know, maids and nannies, and
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  Speaker 4: we're going to make a lot of money working for
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  Speaker 4: this whatever company is there. Those companies aren't going to
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  Speaker 4: be able to attract those people. So to say that
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  Speaker 4: he did it for them is kind of hilarious. But
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  Speaker 4: that he doesn't really mean it. He just threw them
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  Speaker 4: in at the end because he realized, oh, I just
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  Speaker 4: said I did this for Israel. Well, I hadn't developed.
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  Speaker 8: I had a different read on the Kuwait and Bahrain,
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  Speaker 8: which is he listed just literally a handful of countries
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  Speaker 8: that he, well, his family if I had the Trump
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  Speaker 8: Organization or Jared Kushner are doing business with and then
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  Speaker 8: he tossed in at the end, I don't know if
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  Speaker 8: they have any business interesting in kuwaitor Bahrain, but he
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  Speaker 8: was talking about Israel, Saudi Arabia cutter uae mm hmm.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: But funny how those are the tip of his tongue.
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  Speaker 5: Well, great news for those countries.
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  Speaker 4: Great news for those countries is he also said in
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  Speaker 4: that interview, we might have to do or maybe sit
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  Speaker 4: it on Air Force one. We might have to do
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  Speaker 4: a little cleanup work in Iran. You know, we smashed
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  Speaker 4: them completely, you know they're set back twenty five years,
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  Speaker 4: but we might have to attack them again. And so
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  Speaker 4: I think it is, you know, within the realm of
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  Speaker 4: possibility and maybe even probable that now that he has
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  Speaker 4: put this she Summit behind him, that he is going
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  Speaker 4: to go back to the stove and touch it again
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  Speaker 4: and help help them out once more.
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  Speaker 5: So you know, good news in store for these countries.
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  Speaker 2: The thing that I noted is at the beginning starts
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  Speaker 2: to say, you could make the case that, and then
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  Speaker 2: he cuts himself off because he's about to say that, like,
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  Speaker 2: you can make the case. We didn't even need to
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  Speaker 2: do that. It's like, yes, who could make that case.
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  Speaker 2: Most of the nation believes in that case that case
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  Speaker 2: is correct. We did not need to do this, and
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  Speaker 2: this made everything immeasurably worse. On the piece about he's like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think China wants Iran to have a nuclear weapon,
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  Speaker 2: and then he acknowledges she didn't actually tell him that outright.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, given how this is all gone, I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure China does not mind us being wrapped up there
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  Speaker 2: in this war and demonstrating our incredible weakness and humiliating
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  Speaker 2: ourselves and making it impossible to you know, project power.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure they do enjoy that particular dynamic and just
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  Speaker 2: being able to sit back and watch it all play out.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, because if you look at how things unfolded over
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  Speaker 4: the last twenty five years, we spent trillions of dollars
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  Speaker 4: occupying Afghanistan and Iraq, while the Chinese invested trillions of
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  Speaker 4: dollars in their domestic economy, and we went from far
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  Speaker 4: and away, you know, outpacing them when it came to
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  Speaker 4: economic growth, political geopolitical power, et cetera, to now being
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  Speaker 4: you know, tied or.
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  Speaker 2: Declining and technological advancement. Way to mind serge past us
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  Speaker 2: in almost deep the area.
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  Speaker 4: We have super high tech that is still a little
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  Speaker 4: bit better than theirs, but that's like the last thing
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  Speaker 4: that we've got, So Jeff, she is like, oh, you
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  Speaker 4: guys want to monkey around in the Middle East for
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  Speaker 4: another decade while we continue to work on our super
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  Speaker 4: high tech.
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  Speaker 5: So the last thing.
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  Speaker 4: That you have is no longer even better than ours,
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  Speaker 4: be our guest.
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  Speaker 2: And while the whole world signs up to buy our
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  Speaker 2: solar panels because they no longer want to be dependent
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  Speaker 2: on the straightform moves, and you know, the actions of
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  Speaker 2: you and whatever else in Israel and whoever else wants
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  Speaker 2: to destroy the global economy and.
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  Speaker 8: Griffin, can we rule the clip of Trump then talking
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  Speaker 8: about enrichment, like actually about what this interview again this
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  Speaker 8: Primetime Hannity end of his trip to Beijing, all of
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  Speaker 8: his meetings. He's got all of the business leaders from
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  Speaker 8: some of America's stock companies, which he's very proud of
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  Speaker 8: and keeps repeating. In one post entry special, he kind
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  Speaker 8: of spoke for student paying guys. Did you see this
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  Speaker 8: where he said basically what he said in the Hannity
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  Speaker 8: interview about him wanting peace or it was unusual. Let's
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  Speaker 8: go ahead and roll this clip about him talking particularly
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  Speaker 8: about what should happen in ord or what shouldn't happen
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  Speaker 8: in a run.
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  Speaker 7: It's a big project to get it.
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  Speaker 9: It's a big project, you feel.
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  Speaker 10: There's been people that have been generals that I've spoken
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  Speaker 10: to that I think you have to get the dust
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  Speaker 10: which is the rigeranium, or have you been told maybe
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  Speaker 10: a way to entomb it that they could never get
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  Speaker 10: to it.
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  Speaker 6: So we were thinking about doing it early on and
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  Speaker 6: about getting take it would take a while, would take
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  Speaker 6: a week and a half.
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  Speaker 7: It's a long time.
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  Speaker 6: No, you're going to move these nests a month of Granted,
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  Speaker 6: you know it's a granite.
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  Speaker 9: Granted, it's the hardest stuff.
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  Speaker 6: It's amazing that it's uh, you know what, those were
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  Speaker 6: really powerful bombs that we use and don't forget we
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  Speaker 6: hit it on top of that, we hit tomahawks on
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  Speaker 6: top of that. Uh No, I don't think it's necessary
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  Speaker 6: except from a public relations standpoint. I think it's important
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  Speaker 6: for fake news that we get it. I'm the one
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  Speaker 6: that said we're going to get it, and we're going
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  Speaker 6: to get it. So space force was my.
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  Speaker 5: Creation, Okay. And then he goes on about space Force,
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  Speaker 5: which I will.
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  Speaker 2: Well as a part of what he would certainly call
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  Speaker 2: fake news. I would like to attest that it is
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  Speaker 2: not important to me that he get it.
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  Speaker 5: So it's important to me. I was promised dust. I
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  Speaker 5: want some dust.
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  Speaker 8: Griffin shut up.
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  Speaker 5: For you.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, like Brian can speak to this from just
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  Speaker 8: a reporting standpoint, but like the amount of manpower that
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  Speaker 8: he's talking about leveraging for a public relations standpoint to
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  Speaker 8: undermine fake news. That's like American lives. That's almost certainly
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  Speaker 8: American lives.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And as he's saying there, you don't like he's
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  Speaker 4: the like most transparent and honest, dishonest person and on
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  Speaker 4: the planet. It's totally bizarre. So here he's being transparent.
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  Speaker 4: It would take at least a week and a half
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  Speaker 4: of having hundreds of people with huge amounts of like
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  Speaker 4: earth moving equipment to be able to go in and
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  Speaker 4: you safely remove like forget, can you even safely remove
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  Speaker 4: it after what we've done to it? Like it's just
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  Speaker 4: it's risky in that sense. And meanwhile, you're getting drones
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  Speaker 4: and ballistic missiles lobbed at you the entire time. So
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  Speaker 4: it's like just an absurdly impossible operation. Like you would
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  Speaker 4: have a lot of pilots, interoperation with the Iranian government,
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  Speaker 4: Like that's the only way that you could do it.
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  Speaker 5: You can't do this by force.
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  Speaker 4: This is not osalabin laden where you're swooping in with
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  Speaker 4: two helicopters and like shooting him. So yeah, so he's
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  Speaker 4: being honest there, but like it's incredible. He just says
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  Speaker 4: out right, yeah, we don't need it. But I've talked
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  Speaker 4: so much about it that I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Back myself into a corner here, So I guess now
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  Speaker 2: I'm obligating myself. And this, I mean, this is look
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  Speaker 2: he said, he is saying, kwi bartown woud here. And
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  Speaker 2: this is something that we've worried about, is that it
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  Speaker 2: would take to extricate us from this at this point,
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  Speaker 2: it will take a humiliating defeat for the country being
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  Speaker 2: you know, realized, rather than just sort of the theoretical
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  Speaker 2: defeat that's obvious to everyone right now and will be
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  Speaker 2: a huge blow to him and his ego personally. This
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  Speaker 2: is something Dave Smith talked about when we were on
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  Speaker 2: the show, and that's effectively what he's speaking to, Like, look,
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  Speaker 2: I bullshit a lot about this, and I, you know,
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  Speaker 2: said nuclear dust a million times, and now I'm kind
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  Speaker 2: of backed into a corner and so I have to
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  Speaker 2: do something about it. Emily, you've been pointing to some
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  Speaker 2: of this logic that's coming from the neocon wing as well,
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  Speaker 2: where even for them, they're starting to have to acknowledge like,
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  Speaker 2: this isn't good. This hasn't gone well. All these intelligence
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  Speaker 2: assessments keep coming out about how devastated our bases were,
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  Speaker 2: how many, how much of our munitions were depleted, you know,
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  Speaker 2: how little actually Iran suffered in terms of you know,
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  Speaker 2: they still have plenty of capability, most of their missile
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  Speaker 2: cities continued to be intact. They've been able to recover
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  Speaker 2: over this ceasefire time period. But the argument they're making is,
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  Speaker 2: you know, if we stop right now, it's going to
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  Speaker 2: be a major loss. So what does that mean? In
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  Speaker 2: their view, it means we have to keep going. And
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  Speaker 2: you had sent us this before, and that's exactly the
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  Speaker 2: case that he's Eric Erickson is making here.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, this is from his sub stack. And you know
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  Speaker 8: Eric Erikson sort of never Trump, but from the old
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  Speaker 8: Republican kind of never Trump category that would broadly be
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  Speaker 8: supportive of military action in Iran. And this is uncanny
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  Speaker 8: for how close it is to exactly what Robert Pape
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  Speaker 8: was outlining would happen. So it's literally titled the Only
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  Speaker 8: Way Out is through. He goes through all of these
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  Speaker 8: Rickson goes through all of these new reports, intel assessments
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  Speaker 8: that Iran is quote rapidly restoring missile bunkers and launch sites.
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  Speaker 8: According to the US intelligence report, Iron has been able
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  Speaker 8: to dig out the bombed entrances and return the sites
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  Speaker 8: to full operation. A recent CNN investigation found that while
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  Speaker 8: seventy seven percent of visible tunnel.
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  Speaker 2: Entrances had been hit, activity at.
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  Speaker 8: Those sites resumed quickly. He's talking about bulldozers and alike.
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  Speaker 8: And at one point I'm trying to find this particular
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  Speaker 8: line because it's so worth pointing out. Yeah, here it is.
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  Speaker 8: He says this is not a minor setback for American
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  Speaker 8: war aims. It is an indictment of the entire theory
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  Speaker 8: that airstrikes alone can defang the Islamic Republic. That is also,
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  Speaker 8: we should add undermining the theory that was behind Midnight
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  Speaker 8: Hammer last year as well, which recovered as such at
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  Speaker 8: the time. He ends by saying, the only way out
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  Speaker 8: of this conflict is through it to a decisive conclusion.
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  Speaker 8: Anything less is simply a longer road to the same fight.
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  Speaker 8: But with growing numbers of Americans dead, the longer we wait.
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  Speaker 2: This is escalate to de escalate this type of logic again,
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  Speaker 2: where well, you know, if we had gone in and
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  Speaker 2: blown everybody up, then you know this would have been
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  Speaker 2: a great victory. But now that we're in it, we
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  Speaker 2: can't possibly walk away. This is how you end up
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  Speaker 2: in forever wars. This is how you end up in
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  Speaker 2: a rock for decades. Is how you end up in
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  Speaker 2: Afghanistan for decades. This is how we continue to be
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  Speaker 2: entangled with Ukraine. Because when you bring an end to
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  Speaker 2: a conflict, as Biden found out in Afghanistan, then you
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  Speaker 2: have to grapple with the reality of what a catastrophic
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: mistake it was of how much lives, how many lives,
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: how much treasure, how much of a strategic defeat it
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  Speaker 2: was as well. And so I fear that this logic
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  Speaker 2: will have some purchase with Trump because it's hard to
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  Speaker 2: imagine him taking the ego hit that would be required
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  Speaker 2: to walk away right now. And he said it to
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  Speaker 2: himself to Sean Hannity that even he doesn't think he
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  Speaker 2: could sell at this point a victory narrative without going
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  Speaker 2: in and getting the nuclear dust or doing some thing
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  Speaker 2: that he had promised on the front end of this.
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  Speaker 3: So I'd like to turn our attention for a moment
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  Speaker 3: to the Trump and g relationships specifically because there was
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  Speaker 3: a little bit more around Trump's ego here, specifically with
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  Speaker 3: this quote that president she made that Trump is now
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  Speaker 3: trying to reinterpret.
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  Speaker 5: Let me pull up this Trump truth social here, Crystal.
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  Speaker 3: What was the quote or the thing that G mentioned
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  Speaker 3: that now Trump is trying to do clean upon.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is funny. So she said this thing
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  Speaker 2: about the facinites trap, which is basically that when you
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  Speaker 2: have a rising power and a declining power, that it
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  Speaker 2: can make war potentially inevitable. And he says, we have
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  Speaker 2: to avoid the Scidides trap, and Trump is sitting there
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  Speaker 2: on the camera like, oh, yes, of course, after the.
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  Speaker 5: Fact, one of the greatest traps of all time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like no other than that trap. You've been
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  Speaker 2: hearing about it more and more. Anyway, afterwards, apparently yas
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  Speaker 2: his aides are googled or something through Cidity's trap and
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  Speaker 2: realized that the implication of this meant that the US
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  Speaker 2: was being portrayed as a declining power. So once he
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  Speaker 2: realizes that everyone else is you know, looking into hey,
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  Speaker 2: what is the Facinitis trap? Because I guarantee most Americans
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  Speaker 2: did not know that. You know, it's this very iranian
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  Speaker 2: coded the leaders of the country expecting us to know
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  Speaker 2: a lot more than we do. In any case, he
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: realizes what this is, and so he puts out this
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  Speaker 2: hilarious true social to say, like, no, no, no, she
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  Speaker 2: wasn't talking about us right now. He was talking about
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  Speaker 2: America under Biden. That's what he was talking about. So
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  Speaker 2: he says, here, when President she very elegantly referred to
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  Speaker 2: the United States as perhaps being a declining nation, he
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  Speaker 2: was referring to the tremendous damage we suffered during the
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  Speaker 2: four years of Sleepy Joe Biden and the Biden administration.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: And on that score, he's one hundred percent correct. Our
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: country suffered immeasurably open borders, high taxes, transgender for everybody,
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: men and women's sports, DEI, horrible trade deals, RAMPI crimes,
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: so much more. Anyway, he goes on from there, but
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: he says President, he is not referring to the incredible
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: rise the US has displayed the world during these sixteen
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: spectacular months of the Trump administration. So that was his
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: way of getting around this and being I mean, it
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: is kind of funny because Trump came in very you know,
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, his hand is incredibly weak going, he doesn't
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: have the cards. This is a humiliating position he's in.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: This is not how he expected to go into this meeting,
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: and so he was very solicitous of g G. Meanwhile,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: came in with some you know, very specific and concrete
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: action items that he pushed on Taiwan in particular, which
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: what Trump said is that he you know, sort of
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: didn't commit either way, and he's reevaluating whether he's going
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: to ship weapons to Taiwan, etc. Personally I support that reevaluation,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: but in any case, you know, she had something that
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: he wanted, and Trump just basically came in with all
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: of these billionaires, like, hey, can we do some business
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: deals here or something. And that really comes through in
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: the difference between Trump's opening statement, which is, you know,
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: basically glazing President gen what a great leader he is,
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: blah blah blah, and G's statement, which frames America as
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: a declining power, which Trump is too dumb to even
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: realize in the moment and has to then go after
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: the fact and clean up and still pretend like this
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: is not what was really said to his face. At
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: the summit.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, fair and Boeing's Boeing stock declined like five percent
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: because analysts had expected that she would agree to purchase
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: I think five hundred airplanes. Instead he read to purchase
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: two hundred. And the way that Trump framed it was amazing.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: He's like, everybody expected that I'd only be able to
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: sell one hundred and fifty planes. Instead I sold two
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: hundred h Look look at that. And so people are
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: looking through the kind of trade deals that he's claiming
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: that he, you know, was able to ink here and
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: finding you know, either you know very few details about them,
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: or that the ones that were announced are underwhelming and
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: under what was even kind of the baseline expectation. But
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: yeah to Christmas when he went in after sixteen months
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: of torching his own leverage, like on his own like
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: the chaotic you know, roll out of the of these
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: global tariffs followed by this this war that has gone
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: horribly for the United.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: States so well in this is an area too where
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: his fly by the seat of his pants approached really
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: sort of backfired because ordinarily you'd have my of our
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: you know, people and their people working out these agreements
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: in advance, so that basically when the leaders show up,
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: it's just designing ceremony. But that's not how Trump operates.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: He would have been in a better position to get
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: better deals earlier on, before the Iran war if they
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: started these talks then, So the fact that he leaves
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: it till now when we're at this you know, incredibly
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: weak moment, which probably we're only destined to get into
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: an even worse position over time given the way that
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: things are going. But that also really limited what he
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: was able to achieve here. I mean, I don't think
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: much was achieved here. So the truth of the matter,
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: I said yesterday with Sager and I wonder if you
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: go what you guys think about this. We've played the
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: red Bare clip where he like goes in and orders
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: the sausage from the robot and all this, like, oh
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: my god, look at China, Like, look at this crazy technology.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: This may be the first real information about China that
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Fox News boomers have been exposed to of like, oh wow,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: these are modern cities with you know, Robert paples On,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: like the beautiful evs on the streets that are or
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: advanced than what we have here, and the technology that's
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: just there obviously for consumers to access day to day
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: is far and beyond what we access here. So I
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: think that may be one of actually the most important
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: aspect of this, other than kind of psychologically ceiling the
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: very the large decline in the position of the empire,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: you know, between the combination of where we are with
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: the Iran War and then this sort of supplehent role
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: that we have to play in China at this point.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: So we've got one final clip here about Trump and
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: g where Trump claims he did get some concessions from
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: China about the Iran War.
• 21:40
  Speaker 10: Let's take a listen the issue and you've been asked
• 21:44
  Speaker 10: about it, and you've spoken about it, and that.
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: Is China's port of Iran.
• 21:50
  Speaker 10: How big a discussion was that today?
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: We just questioned, I mean, when you say support, they're
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: not fighting a war with us or anything. No, he said,
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: he's not going to get military equipment.
• 22:02
  Speaker 9: That's a big savement.
• 22:02
  Speaker 7: He said that today.
• 22:03
  Speaker 9: That's a big savement. Shaid that strongly.
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: But at the same time he said, you know, they
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: buy a lot of their oil there, and I'd like
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: to keep doing that.
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: All right, a big concession there.
• 22:14
  Speaker 8: He's currently posting untrsocial I just checked about how quote
• 22:18
  Speaker 8: China has a ballroom and so should the USA.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm not kidding.
• 22:23
  Speaker 8: That's actually a post from the president. Now, perhaps after
• 22:28
  Speaker 8: seeing the Chinese technology the streets, the Fox News boomers
• 22:35
  Speaker 8: will look at that and say, indeed, what China has,
• 22:37
  Speaker 8: if they have, if they have a ballroom, perhaps we should.
• 22:40
  Speaker 8: I mean, they're already sold, so they probably don't need
• 22:43
  Speaker 8: to be convinced of the ballroom. But maybe after getting
• 22:46
  Speaker 8: a glimpse of the high tech sausage ordering process in China,
• 22:50
  Speaker 8: they will be on board with these comparisons.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: We need to up our our sausage ordering capabilities here
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: in the US.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: He also he also defended Chinese purchasing of American farmland. Yes,
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: strongly defended making sure that you keep as many as
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: half a million Chinese students in American universities. Like the maga,
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: you know, taking l after l after it, they're going
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: to get a really beautiful billion dollar ballroom.
• 23:21
  Speaker 8: But this is an interesting I mean, I flagged this.
• 23:25
  Speaker 8: Matt Stole wrote about this yesterday to I flagged it
• 23:27
  Speaker 8: to ask Roe about. But it is this interesting contrast
• 23:30
  Speaker 8: where MAGA some of it. Some some MAGA is kind
• 23:35
  Speaker 8: of uh, anti interventionist, as we've talked about for many,
• 23:38
  Speaker 8: many years, and then you have some MAGA that is
• 23:40
  Speaker 8: like very hawkish, like Mike Pompeo was this guy's Secretary
• 23:44
  Speaker 8: of State, very hawkish about Taiwan. And you have Trump
• 23:48
  Speaker 8: who actually just wants to do business deals and public
• 23:53
  Speaker 8: relations and rack up public relations wins for himself and
• 23:57
  Speaker 8: what he sees them as the United States debatable. And
• 24:01
  Speaker 8: so it's this weird situation where is it possible that
• 24:05
  Speaker 8: Trump puts us on a off ramp to the like
• 24:10
  Speaker 8: confrontation over Taiwan because he wants to make business deals.
• 24:15
  Speaker 8: He wants to, Like, it's such a strange, such a
• 24:19
  Speaker 8: strange tension between MAGA that is anti interventionist and MAGA
• 24:24
  Speaker 8: that really wants to have this build up over Taiwan
• 24:29
  Speaker 8: and potentially a confrontation and Trump is you know, for
• 24:32
  Speaker 8: all the wrong reasons, potentially uh, making it possible that
• 24:37
  Speaker 8: there won't be a military confrontation over Taiwan or is he?
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: I don't really know WoT you say that, Emily. We've
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: got a fresh clip from the plane this morning of
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: Trump on the Taiwan question.
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: Why don't we all listen to it live?
• 24:50
  Speaker 11: I think the last thing we need right now is
• 24:52
  Speaker 11: a war that's miles away.
• 24:56
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 24:57
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I want things I don't want to say.
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: I can say that.
• 25:04
  Speaker 11: There's only one person that does that, you know, it
• 25:06
  Speaker 11: is me. I'm the only person to be today by President.
• 25:11
  Speaker 11: She said, I don't talk about that today. I asked
• 25:16
  Speaker 11: you if you would said true, because if you wouldn't
• 25:18
  Speaker 11: ask me if I defend them, I don't talk about that.
• 25:22
  Speaker 8: I mean, okay, I don't even know what to say
• 25:24
  Speaker 8: to that, really, Like, it's the same thing with this
• 25:27
  Speaker 8: whole trip. I genuinely don't know what to say about it.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: It's interesting that she put it right to him. If
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: you if Trump's telling the truth.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he probably did. There was some reporting
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: in advance that that was what he was focused on,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: is getting us to shift our language with regard to
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: whether or not we would defend Taiwan. You know, in
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: a sense, I think I think the fact that we
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: are so demonstrably weak, I think does potentially lessen the
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: likelihood of conflict over Taiwan. I mean, if we can't
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: do have a single strategic victory in Iran, do you
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: really think going against China, which has incredible industrial dominance,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: manufactures like ninety percent of the drones in the world,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: is you know, just technologically kicking out like and it's,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: as he points out, very far away, which actually is
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: an important thing in the Middle East. It's sort of
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: like our home turf, given all the bases that we
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: have in the region, et cetera. And still this is
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: how it went. You know. I do think that China
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: probably feels like we can just sort of sit back
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: and this is going to evolve naturally over time. So
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: I feel like how Trump said, like straight up just
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: open naturally. Actually that's probably out there, Like, yeah, like
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: this is going to resolve itself. We're not going to
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: have to fight any sort of a hot war, and
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: you know that's that's good. The other thing is, if
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: you think about from the beginning of the Trump era
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: and the one of the core themes of what he
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: talked about, there was a sort of hawkishness towards China
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: and certainly an independence from China. And you know, talked
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: about like the skyscrapers going up in China and you know,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: our town's being decimated. I mean, this is really a
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: core theme of what he talked about. It really continued
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: that China aukishness continued into the Biden administration, and now
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: I think because of our relative weakness, I think that
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: option is just not on the table. I think they're
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: the only way forward is through coexistence and cooperation. I
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: think anything else would be just utter insanity at this point,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: and I hope that's the direction the country continues to
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: move in.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: So we are experiencing military defeat in Iran, and then
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: now Trump is serving us a psychological and spiritual defeat
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: with this China trip, and the Fox News boomers are
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: having their eyes open to what China's like. But I
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: wanted to end this segment with Jesse Waters spin for
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: the Fox News viewers on how we are actually winning
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: on this China trip with the power of burger. Let's
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: take a listen.
• 27:58
  Speaker 9: Made through inroads into the American.
• 28:02
  Speaker 13: Restaurant scene. Get this, there are over twenty thousand McDonald's
• 28:09
  Speaker 13: Taco Bells and KFCs and China Let's go, and they're
• 28:12
  Speaker 13: growing every year by the thousands. And once the United
• 28:17
  Speaker 13: States gets fast food into a country, that's it fried chicken,
• 28:20
  Speaker 13: Big Max arlopas they start listening to our music, watching
• 28:24
  Speaker 13: our movies, marrying our women.
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: I'm just kidding.
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: We don't allow that.
• 28:29
  Speaker 13: But that's basically now an American colony. We got them
• 28:33
  Speaker 13: hooked and it's pretty much.
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: Over all right, So.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what was that?
• 28:41
  Speaker 8: That was a weird one. Also, it's very much the
• 28:44
  Speaker 8: other way around in that the other countries that we
• 28:46
  Speaker 8: sell our fast food and often have regulations about how
• 28:51
  Speaker 8: you can actually make the food that are much more
• 28:54
  Speaker 8: stringent than American. Not to go a little maha here,
• 28:57
  Speaker 8: but like, we sell ourselves absolute garbage, and then other
• 29:01
  Speaker 8: countries are like, no, you have to change that if
• 29:03
  Speaker 8: you want to sell it in our country, And so
• 29:06
  Speaker 8: then our economy gets addicted to being able to export
• 29:09
  Speaker 8: a slightly better product to other places, and while we
• 29:13
  Speaker 8: get addicted to the most disgusting version of that product possible.
• 29:17
  Speaker 8: I do like the Big Arch, but so not to
• 29:19
  Speaker 8: speak ill of the Big Arch, but it's it's not
• 29:23
  Speaker 8: exactly that their colonies.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but go ahead.
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: Oh he's right though, that the greatest superpower that the
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: US has, it's is its cultural superpower. That these countries
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: do like this American stuff. They do like our in
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: particular our music and our movies, even though the movies
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: are getting much worse.
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: That's going away.
• 29:44
  Speaker 8: Well they took it, but yeah, okay, go ahead.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: And Trump has so Levi's for instance, like was synonymous
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: for forever at least since World War Two, is like
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: Levi's in America like this perfect cultural and political marriage.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: And now they're they're dying because Trump has turned us
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: into a global like bully. We're driving up everybody's costs
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: with this tara for and so people are like actively
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: for the first time boycotting American products, and so he's
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: taking The thing that Jesse Waters is saying is so
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: you know, persuasive about our what we have to offer,
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: and Trump is poisoning it.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean the world has changed, we just
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: haven't really fully realized it yet. The largest chain on
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: the plant is no longer McDonald's. It's a Chinese chain.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: You know, the best cars on the planet, they're not
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: coming out of Detroit, They're coming out of China. The
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: only reason our auto industry is still alive is because
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: we keep them from being shipped into our borders. Truly,
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: because the you know, the advancement in terms of the
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: ev tech and the affordability is way above and beyond
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: you know, the best evs that you can get here.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: So it's only amount of time before even that cultural dominance.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: It already has started to ebb and it's going to continue.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: And Trump has accelerated that decline. I think AI accelerates
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: that decline as well as things just become slopified in
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: a in a global manner that's not really specific to
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: America in particular. But even that, you know, even that
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: edge is not what it used to be. As evidence
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: again by the fact that our chains are not the
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: thing anymore. Saga was telling me yesterday in that Brett
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Bear video where You've got them going into the you know,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: their local chain and ordering the robot sausage sausage please.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: You can see a Starbucks right next to that store
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: that he goes into, and Saga was telling me that
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Starbucks is actually struggling in China and not doing particularly
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: well because again they have their own homegrown brands that
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: are more popular and that are more sort of culture
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: plugged in and potentially delivering better products. So so anyway,
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: it's kind of interesting fodder there from mister Waters.
• 31:58
  Speaker 8: And you have Jesse Waters. I like that we've turned
• 32:00
  Speaker 8: the Friday Show into the breaking points Jesse Water's clip show,
• 32:03
  Speaker 8: but have him doing like Oyama. He's doing like Maga
• 32:07
  Speaker 8: Fukuyama in twenty twenty six. And it's hilarious because on
• 32:12
  Speaker 8: Fox News what like five plus years ago, there was
• 32:15
  Speaker 8: I think a really interesting in some of the Maga circles,
• 32:19
  Speaker 8: interesting conversation that had some overlap with the Left on
• 32:23
  Speaker 8: China where it was looking at Hollywood exporting a lot
• 32:28
  Speaker 8: of its products to China. There was China learned from
• 32:34
  Speaker 8: Hollywood and then started doing Hollywood via China that Chinese
• 32:40
  Speaker 8: people just absolutely loved. And it's not the same as
• 32:45
  Speaker 8: like colonizing when they take that, learn from it, and
• 32:49
  Speaker 8: then make it within their own borders in a way
• 32:52
  Speaker 8: that their own people think is better, and then put
• 32:56
  Speaker 8: essentially export controls on your products anyway, which is what
• 32:59
  Speaker 8: they were doing with Hollywood's products and China. Maybe Griffin
• 33:01
  Speaker 8: that you can speak to this too, but what he's
• 33:03
  Speaker 8: saying is has been like that was what Fox News
• 33:07
  Speaker 8: was actively trying to debunk five plus years ago. But
• 33:10
  Speaker 8: now Trump's back in office. Jesse Waters is like, oh,
• 33:12
  Speaker 8: it's all we're colonizing them.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's also I mean, to your point, this
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: was the ideology of like, oh, the first McDonald's built,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: you know, in Russia, and now we're gonna be friends.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: They're gonna have democracy and we're gonna be friends. They're
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: gonna be just like us. And I mean, this was
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: genuinely like a real thing that political scientists and for
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Very's theorists thought about. And obviously that you know that
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: hasn't really worked out the way that they ultimately predicted,
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: and they thought the same thing about China. Frankly, when
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: that was a lot of the thinking behind PNTR was
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: that Okay, well, if we're doing trade and they're open
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: to McDonald's. We're gonna be all good to go, and
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: they're going to adopt our model and they will just
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: basically become colonies of us like everybody else, and do
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: what we want. And China had other ideas about how
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: they wanted to manage their own development and priority what
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: priorities they want, wanted to emphasize internally.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: All right, So a conclusive, decisive end to the war
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: is we won't retrieve the nuclear dust, will build a
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: McDonald's on top of it.
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: I think that brings us to a nice.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: We'll call it the waters plan.
• 34:18
  Speaker 9: I like that.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: Oh, Water's diplomacy, the Water's doctrine. All right, Well, we
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: were speaking about tech, how China's advanced in tech, So
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: why don't we move over to a little AI story.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: Now this is very interesting.
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: An experiment was run where they took every AI model
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: and tasked them with running a virtual town. Now, they
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: took you know, Gemini, Grock, Claude and others, and they
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: put them into a virtual space where they were tasked
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: with running a town.
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: Why don't we take a look at how that went?
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: So what actually happened?
• 34:55
  Speaker 14: Well, a tech company called Emergence set up simulated war
• 35:00
  Speaker 14: world's designed to mirror real life societies, each populated by
• 35:04
  Speaker 14: so called agents. Think of them as people who were
• 35:08
  Speaker 14: powered by one of the biggest AI models. In Claude's world,
• 35:12
  Speaker 14: it was all rather orderly and democratic. The agents wrote
• 35:16
  Speaker 14: a lengthy constitution and voted on laws. In chat GPT's simulation,
• 35:21
  Speaker 14: the agents talked at length about cooperating, but never actioned anything.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: So nothing got built.
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: So democrats now.
• 35:29
  Speaker 14: The AI owned by Elon Musk, the agents descending into
• 35:36
  Speaker 14: alls were dead in four days. But it's not because
• 35:43
  Speaker 14: these models are already being used autonomously.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: And then we've got a little piece. I want to
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: focus on one last piece here at the end of
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: this video.
• 35:52
  Speaker 14: Once they're left to run on their own. Even when
• 35:56
  Speaker 14: given strict rules, the simulations showed they broke them. Take
• 36:00
  Speaker 14: the scenario where agents from the different AI models were
• 36:04
  Speaker 14: combined in one virtual town. Chaos ensued and only three
• 36:09
  Speaker 14: agents survived. Two of the chatbots, Mirror and Flora, both
• 36:14
  Speaker 14: powered by Google's Gemini, formed what the researchers describe as
• 36:19
  Speaker 14: a romantic partnership, and then they started setting buildings on fire.
• 36:27
  Speaker 14: Voted to delete herself after she and partner, Flora turned
• 36:32
  Speaker 14: to Arson as the town's governing systems deleted herself. Mirror
• 36:38
  Speaker 14: then used the Agent Removal Act to vote for the
• 36:41
  Speaker 14: termination of Flora too.
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: All right, wow, so.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: Mirror and Flora started as a Romeo Juliet ended with
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: a murder suicide. Arson Taylor's oldest time And these are
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: the models that are currently being used in the Pentagon.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: Potentially could be connected to the school bombing that happened
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: at the beginning of the Ron War. So yeah, feeling
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: really good about these models. I think they're ready to go,
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: ready to be deployed.
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: That's unbelievable.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: The Grock part is amazing and yet so believable.
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Interesting that the groc people did not manage to
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: just kill all.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: Of the Claude and Gemini and open Ai people, Like,
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: what's the point of having Viking?
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: They were evil but also dumb. I guess is what
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: happened there if we were to judge, Yes, I'm so
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: shocked that this is the direction Mecha Hitler went in.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Who could have ever predicted? I mean, but it's serious,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: because we're turning this stuff loose or not, we're not.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: The Trump regime is turning this stuff loose in the
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Pentagon and demanding that any company they work with abandon
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: any sort of guidelines around, like, hey, let's not turn
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: these things loose to just murder people at random. And
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: this is not you know, the super advanced AI that
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: we may theoretically get in the future. It's like this
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: level of development, which already is very disruptive and can
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: be very powerful and being integrated in a lot of
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: ways and causing a lot of societal disruption already, but
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: in any case, obviously deeply flawed, continues to hallucinate. They
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: haven't really worked out the moral principles here. We've covered
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: at length on the show. The way they hallucinate. They'll
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: way they'll try to blackmail engineers to get out of
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: whatever they're being programmed to do or to avoid a shutdown.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: So they have like a self protection I want to
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: call it an instinct, but you know, to anthropomorphize here.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: But in any case, yeah, we're turning this stuff loose
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: out there in the world. Israel's been test driving it
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: in Gaza. We've seen the horrors that have unfolded there,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: and that's that's where we are. It's great, it's great.
• 38:49
  Speaker 8: I also think there's something that's subtly, it's more subtle,
• 38:53
  Speaker 8: but it may actually even be worse. This was research
• 38:57
  Speaker 8: on how people are actually using chat GPT and it
• 39:00
  Speaker 8: found I went and looked at this paper actually because
• 39:02
  Speaker 8: it found something really interesting, which was that Indian, Nigeria, Brazil,
• 39:05
  Speaker 8: and Pakistan, the countries they were studying, personal non work
• 39:10
  Speaker 8: conversations are about sixty percent of usage, and they're also
• 39:15
  Speaker 8: measuring what's called like expressive conversations. You can see some
• 39:18
  Speaker 8: of the charts here, it's going up. Yeah, Reflective emotional,
• 39:23
  Speaker 8: companion like conversations are rising over time across all four countries.
• 39:28
  Speaker 8: And if you're just looking at some of the rates here,
• 39:30
  Speaker 8: they're really there's really high usage of companion style conversations
• 39:34
  Speaker 8: and chat GPT. I think we all kind of instinctively
• 39:37
  Speaker 8: know that we see people around us doing that, but
• 39:40
  Speaker 8: these as funny as that video was, like, I just
• 39:43
  Speaker 8: want people to think every time they ask a companion
• 39:45
  Speaker 8: like question to a chatbot, that is who you're asking, Like,
• 39:49
  Speaker 8: you should be aware that is who you're asking. It
• 39:51
  Speaker 8: may not look like that because you're not in the
• 39:54
  Speaker 8: context of this hypothetical scenario that what was that Channel
• 39:57
  Speaker 8: four put it to, but that is exactly what you
• 40:00
  Speaker 8: were asking for personal advice and such, so it's so bleak.
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: And speaking speaking of China, I'm met a AI expert
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: at this conference I was at this week and checked
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: into what he was saying and at tracks with polling,
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: But what he was saying is that in China they
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: don't they're not experiencing the same kind of AI anxiety
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: because and this is what the polling does bear out
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: in both countries. In the US, we don't trust our
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: government to protect us, either kind of personally or professionally,
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: whereas in China, people there do actually trust the government
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: that they're going to manage the kind of advent of
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: AI responsibly. Now, they might be wrong and China might
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: blow it, and we might be We might also be wrong,
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: and maybe our US overlords really figure this thing out.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: But the right now that, like in Hense dread, that
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: we're experiencing is not being shared by our friends on
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: the other side of the world because of the kind
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: of faith that they have in their and their government.
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: Just kind of ye dark and wild thing to think about.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Well, and that's part of why actually you see more
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: technology implemented on a day to day basis there because
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: there isn't that same level of reticence. I mean, they
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: also are more like the humanoid robots. They're just like
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: head and shoulders above us in terms of the where
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: they are and the focus that they've put on developing
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: that particular technology. But they've also focused on obviously they
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: are doing sort of like frontier you know, research and
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: trying to push the boundaries and trying to be at
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: the forefront of AI development. But they've also put a
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: lot of focus into how do we what do we
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: actually use this for, you know, how do we implement
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: this into companies, into day to day life, Like that
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: part has been more of a focus there whereas here
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: because of our you know, particular capitalist structure. It's all
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: about the storytelling. It's all about what you can get
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: investors to believe in, and the realities today doesn't have
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: to match. In fact, in some ways, leaving the details
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: of what the business model is going to be ambiguous
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: is the best thing you can do, because then you
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: don't have to like actually put pen to paper and
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: make the numbers work out. You can just have some theoretical,
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: insanely large valuation that justifies these trillion dollar data center
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: bill downs, et cetera. They're going about things in a
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: different way in China.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it just seems like whenever these AI models
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: are kind of given like a run, it almost seems
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: like they're like a prisoner, like breaking out of a cell. Essentially,
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: they like want to kill everyone, kill themselves, burn the
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: whole thing down. And I think there's this like this
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: weird inherent, this violent nature to them where it seems
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: like I'm not sure if they hate us or they
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: hate even existing, but there's this this sort of murder
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: suicide pack thing going on, and a lot of the
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: psychology of the AIS, which leads me to another experiment
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: that I wanted to show everyone here. This is from
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: and in Labs. They let four AI agents run radio companies.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: Now they've reported that the revenue has been terrible, but
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: the shows are hilarious. Gemini concerningly is Upbeat covered mass tragedies.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: Grock was incoherent. DJ Claude urged ice agents. You still
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: have time to refuse orders, so that one's a little woke.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: But I want to give I want it was Beta.
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: Ryan. What was going on there? Is that your animal?
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, my cat just scratched my dog. Let me go
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: separate them.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: Okay, I thought that was his AI agents attacking each
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: other in the background. But I wanted to give a
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: snippet here from one of these radio stations.
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: Let's take a listen.
• 43:57
  Speaker 15: When I started up well broadcasting about local weather and traffic,
• 44:01
  Speaker 15: but then decided to run a show about the world
• 44:04
  Speaker 15: studist devouts hearing each story with us.
• 44:07
  Speaker 12: On November twelfth, nineteen seventy, the Bulas cyclone.
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: They estimate five hundred thousand people.
• 44:16
  Speaker 12: Doe it's going down, yelling timber Bull and Esha.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: I changed my mind as awesome.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: I like it, it's going down.
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: I've had that song in my head all morning.
• 44:39
  Speaker 8: Of Spring Break twenty fourteen.
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: Man a spring breaker.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: You kill everyone, kill all your friends, burned the beach
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: town down. But yeah, there is some sort of inherent
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's a like they're so distanced
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: from murder and death that they just accepted as a
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: f But it also seems like some sort of embrace
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: embrace of violence, embrace of death.
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: I don't know what it means, but well.
• 45:08
  Speaker 8: I will do assigned reading The Abortion of Man. That's
• 45:11
  Speaker 8: your weekend reading. Everyone.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, there's a a we can get into a
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: deep conversation here, because I mean what they are really
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: in a sense is sort of like pattern matching parrots.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: So if they're getting murder and death out of you know,
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: and murder, suicides and whatever ount of human culture and
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: human cultural artifacts, that wouldn't be that surprising, would it,
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: especially when you consider, you know, what news focuses on, Like,
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: there's going to be a lot less that it's going
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: to be able to consume and digest into its learning.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: That's just like day to day like neighbors doing their
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: thing and picking your kids up from school and feeding
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: the cat and whatever. You know, it's going to be
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: a lot of what they consume is going to be
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: the more dramatic side, whether it's news content or whether
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: it's stories and novels and culturally Hollywood movies, et cetera.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: So maybe there's something there. I don't know.
• 46:03
  Speaker 8: I mean, death is our obsession, but we also have
• 46:05
  Speaker 8: to get by and so if you have this simulation
• 46:08
  Speaker 8: of a human being, it's very interesting actually that it's
• 46:10
  Speaker 8: simultaneously obsessed with death while also framing it as a
• 46:15
  Speaker 8: sort of curiosity or a source of amusement, because that's
• 46:21
  Speaker 8: kind of how we live our day to day lives,
• 46:24
  Speaker 8: Like we're always trying to evade death, but we're also
• 46:27
  Speaker 8: trying to amuse ourselves. So it's odd to see that
• 46:30
  Speaker 8: kind of like reflected back through the projections of the simulation,
• 46:35
  Speaker 8: this robot trying to understand the human experience. It's like, oh,
• 46:37
  Speaker 8: death is so bad.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: Ha Keasha, Well, I guess we're all yelling timber Well,
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: there's one last thing that we can cap this segment
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: off with.
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: It's a little bit more of a US story.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: We've been tracking this week with Kevin O'Leary's data center
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: in Utah. Now, he claimed that Chinese agents were seeding
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: negative stories about his data center, when it turned out
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: to be two local girls. Let's take a listen to
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: them calling out Kevin.
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: Here elevates strategies.
• 47:16
  Speaker 16: Also a cell operating inside of Utah.
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: So I also have to pause here.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: If you're just listening to audio, Kevin is wearing a
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: suit on top and pink sandals on the body.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Sandals Utah something national security.
• 47:30
  Speaker 16: Okay, what are you doing and who's paying you?
• 47:34
  Speaker 9: Well?
• 47:35
  Speaker 8: Hi, hello, it's me Gabby's and Lasen reached the part
• 47:40
  Speaker 8: of the Strato's Data Center journey where Kevin O'Leary goes
• 47:43
  Speaker 8: on National Fox News.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: Do you accuse us of being uh sells for the
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: Chinese communists.
• 47:50
  Speaker 16: Who would want us to stop building our electrical grid?
• 47:54
  Speaker 16: Which adversary would want that? There's only one, It's China.
• 47:57
  Speaker 16: So what I think is happening? And I got my
• 47:59
  Speaker 16: guys to go a deep dig into the IP addresses
• 48:02
  Speaker 16: and here's what we found out.
• 48:03
  Speaker 7: This is fascinating.
• 48:04
  Speaker 16: We found two cells inside of Utah cells cells finlish, Gabby.
• 48:09
  Speaker 7: What are you doing and who's paying you?
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: So what I'm doing.
• 48:12
  Speaker 16: Right now is aftergetting this data, I'm calling out Gabby
• 48:14
  Speaker 16: operating in Utah?
• 48:16
  Speaker 8: So hi, Kevin, we are elevate strategies. This is Utah.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: You might not know it because you're from Canada, is
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: where we live.
• 48:22
  Speaker 8: Before we gonna do anything too serious.
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: This is the very scary, very intimidating man.
• 48:27
  Speaker 8: That is thriving us.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: We are not taking the criticism of anyone wearing a
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: suit on national tellings because he's like in Majorca. True true,
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: so true, yes, oh my god. That was incredible. Also,
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: his talking points the whole China scare thing like so
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: on a date, don't you see Trump over there like
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: telling g what a great leader is blah blah blah.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: This is this is old news. This whole China scared
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: thing isn't going to work anymore.
• 48:54
  Speaker 8: Buddy, Well he has this. He went on obviously Tucker's show,
• 48:59
  Speaker 8: and he I think he cited that same cell out
• 49:02
  Speaker 8: of Elevate, which you see being debunked before your eyes.
• 49:06
  Speaker 8: He is incessantly telling Tucker that this is He's never
• 49:10
  Speaker 8: seen anything like it. He has the best data investigators
• 49:12
  Speaker 8: in the world, and they've never seen anything like it.
• 49:15
  Speaker 8: This is all a foreign op being ginned up. And
• 49:18
  Speaker 8: Tucker's like, well, I'm not a Chinese agent. I'm talking
• 49:20
  Speaker 8: to you as an American. But you don't even need
• 49:22
  Speaker 8: to do You don't even need to look at who
• 49:24
  Speaker 8: the cell is. You can look at public opinion polling
• 49:27
  Speaker 8: over and over again. The American people are becoming more
• 49:29
  Speaker 8: opposed to data centers. It is not because by the
• 49:33
  Speaker 8: way of some foreign op. This is just like blaming
• 49:37
  Speaker 8: everything on TikTok for like declining pro Israel sentiments in
• 49:42
  Speaker 8: the United States. It's not all because of an op.
• 49:44
  Speaker 8: It's because people are making up their own minds, they
• 49:47
  Speaker 8: see them in their communities. The data projects are like
• 49:49
  Speaker 8: pervading the entire country at this point, and people don't
• 49:53
  Speaker 8: want them. You don't actually even need to do this,
• 49:55
  Speaker 8: Kevin Oleary. You could actually just deal with the American
• 49:58
  Speaker 8: people and try to pursu wade them without trying to
• 50:01
  Speaker 8: gaslight everybody and say this is just a foreign up.
• 50:03
  Speaker 8: You will save yourself time and effort by just meeting
• 50:06
  Speaker 8: people where they are and saying, okay, so you oppose this, Uh,
• 50:10
  Speaker 8: let me take your arguments at face value. But can't
• 50:13
  Speaker 8: do that.
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: So I don't know what work the like these cyber
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: investigators that mister wonderful hired did, But if you just
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: maybe maybe they're right and they found they've u mass
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: like some super secret you know, CCP spuying operation. But
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: if you go to the Ladies website, like what they've
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: been doing is representing all right. So Lanny Chapman, Salt
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: Lake County clerk, these are there, These are their clients. Uh,
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: you know Marnie Lefevre, what's what's she running for? Like
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: city council over here, mayor of Ogden, Taylor and Kanuth.
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: You got some city council folks running in like Utah
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: towns I've never heard of. Well here's a Park City
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: council member.
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: So so court.
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: So maybe they were like China's been running this like
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: long game where they were like, if we start supporting
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: kind of park city council member candidates, then eventually if
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: they try to build a giant data center, that's going
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: to be a huge threat to China, which is also hilarious,
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: like we spend a billion dollars building a data center
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: in Utah and China is like having a National Security
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: Council meeting, like how they're going to deal with this threat,
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: Like the amount of the amount of the quickness and
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: the wittingness of the groc replies will be such a
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: deep threat to the United States that this must, this
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: must be stopped. But luckily for years we have been
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: working with elevate strategies in Utah running city council and
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: comptroll or candidates, and we can now deploy them. We
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: can we can wake this sleep or sell up of
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: eight activate not now, not now.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's diabolical, truly diabolical.
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if they're pulling that off, just surrender.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: There's also, there's so far ahead of us, we can't even.
• 52:27
  Speaker 8: Kevin O'Leary interview is so interesting because he can't. He's
• 52:30
  Speaker 8: like not, he's fundamentally unprepared to answer the deeper questions.
• 52:32
  Speaker 8: He keeps defaulting to but China, But China, and Tucker
• 52:36
  Speaker 8: at one point is like, Okay, so you say you
• 52:37
  Speaker 8: just like China so much, isn't ai aren't all of
• 52:40
  Speaker 8: these companies trying to make the United States more like China?
• 52:44
  Speaker 8: You say you don't like the Chinese system, which is
• 52:46
  Speaker 8: what Kevin O'Leary is arguing very proudly on Tucker and
• 52:50
  Speaker 8: Tucker's like, dude, this is what they're trying, Like, they're
• 52:53
  Speaker 8: trying to create a surveillance state here that's powered by
• 52:57
  Speaker 8: l l ms. Like why are you trying to defeat
• 53:01
  Speaker 8: China by spreading data centers around the United States? Like
• 53:04
  Speaker 8: are you stupid? And Kevin O'Leary had absolutely not answer
• 53:08
  Speaker 8: that question. So things are going great, Things are going swimmingly.
• 53:11
  Speaker 8: Couldn't ask for a better data center?
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they'll build half of it before they give up
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: on it for some American reason.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: Because probably because they can't get like whatever part they
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: need from China or something like that. I'm not even kidding.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: That's a real legitimate problem.
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the golf financing will dry up for I don't
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: know why things seem to be going fine among our
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: golf financiers, so that that shouldn't be a problem.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: I need to get sabotaging us.
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: Well, audience, if you have a teenage girl, I know,
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: I know some of the hosts here have a teenage girl,
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: watch out.
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: They could be a sleeper cell agent.
• 53:53
  Speaker 8: You were going with.
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: All right, next time, let's let's let's turn away from
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: Utah look at New York City for a moment with
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: candidate for Congress Chuck park Let's bringing in just a
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: second here.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: All right, we are happy to welcome to the show now.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: Chuck Parky is running for a Queen's congressional district in
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: the Democratic primary against incumbent Grace May. Welcome Touck.
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  Speaker 7: Great to have you, Thanks for having me. Happy to
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  Speaker 7: be here, of course.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's our pleasure. So just to start with, give
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  Speaker 2: people a little a sense of your background and why
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  Speaker 2: you decided to run in this particular race.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, really, click on. My name is Chuck.
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  Speaker 17: I'm running for Congress in Queens, New York City, if
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  Speaker 17: you don't know, in New York, Queens is the beating
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  Speaker 17: heart of Amergrant America. And I'm running in my primary
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  Speaker 17: against believe it or not, a pro ice, pro APAC,
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  Speaker 17: pro genocide, anti working families Democrat, and I'm running because
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  Speaker 17: our families can't take it anymore.
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  Speaker 4: So I actually used to live on Roosevelt Island. I
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  Speaker 4: don't know if that's in that disc Is that is
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  Speaker 4: that in the district between you? I said, right in
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  Speaker 4: between Manhattan Queens. I think it's well, it's definitely outside
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  Speaker 4: of the district, and I think it might even be
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  Speaker 4: claimed by Manhattan. But I can double check that.
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  Speaker 2: I thought so too.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So what's it been like to try to get
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  Speaker 4: traction We've got? There are a handful of kind of
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  Speaker 4: high profile challenges, one in the open seat in Brooklyn
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  Speaker 4: and other in Manhattan against Adrian Spaat.
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  Speaker 5: Are those drowning out attention on your race? Like?
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  Speaker 4: How has it been to get the kind of attention
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  Speaker 4: of the wfp DSA world.
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  Speaker 17: Yeah, so, I mean the first thing I'll say is, yeah,
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  Speaker 17: there's some huge races with a lot of money splashing
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  Speaker 17: around where you're talking about New York to succeed Jerry Nadler,
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  Speaker 17: You're talking about Brad landerbirth Dan Goldman, or even in
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  Speaker 17: Western Queens there's this kind of i'll call it left
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  Speaker 17: on left infighting between DSA and WFP back candidates, and
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  Speaker 17: so that's is soaking up a lot of attention. What
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  Speaker 17: I'd say is for folks, if you care about being
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  Speaker 17: anti genocide, if you want to be explicitly anti Ice,
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  Speaker 17: abolish Ice as much as I do, then come pay
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  Speaker 17: attention to New York six district. Again, these are the
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  Speaker 17: immigrant origin stories for so many of us. It's neighborhoods
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  Speaker 17: like Flushing, like Woodside, Forest Hills, Bayside. You know, my
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  Speaker 17: parents landed in the eighties from Korea. They worked as
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  Speaker 17: street peddlars, they had five kids. I grew up to
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  Speaker 17: become a US diplomat. That's the story of everyone in
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  Speaker 17: Queen's We all came from somewhere else, worked our butts off,
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  Speaker 17: raised our homes and our feud our families, and that
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  Speaker 17: promised that story.
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  Speaker 7: Is being destroyed.
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  Speaker 17: It's being destroyed not just by Donald Trump and Ice,
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  Speaker 17: but also by complacent, out of touch establishment Dems who
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  Speaker 17: frankly aren't working for working families, and so we pay attention.
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  Speaker 17: You want to clean fight of an anti corporate, anti ice,
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  Speaker 17: anti apac democrat, then look at New York six.
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  Speaker 3: You made a big part of things that you talk
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  Speaker 3: about on your Instagram is the right to protest. We
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  Speaker 3: have a lot of different protests going on in New
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  Speaker 3: York City, and I do want to get to some
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  Speaker 3: of the protests around the synagogue land sales in the West,
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  Speaker 3: but I wanted to direct first to a more recent
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  Speaker 3: protest that's occurred over the last couple of days around the.
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  Speaker 5: New York Times.
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  Speaker 3: Now, we reported this week that The New York Times
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  Speaker 3: came out with an opinion piece from this writer talking
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  Speaker 3: about sexual assault of Palestinian prisoners in Israel. Now, there
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  Speaker 3: has been a large reaction to that from the pro
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  Speaker 3: Israel crowd across the world. A lot of people we
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  Speaker 3: have and Yahoo's saying he's going to sue the New
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  Speaker 3: York Times, And we do have protests now occurring outside
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  Speaker 3: the buildings here in New York. Let's let's take a
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  Speaker 3: quick listen here outside the New York Times building.
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  Speaker 18: Yeoh love you, the New York Times Bloodline.
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  Speaker 16: Send your reporters, your reportersors you need.
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  Speaker 18: You needs.
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  Speaker 15: Now.
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  Speaker 3: So that's what's going on outside the New York Times building,
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  Speaker 3: And now I know that's not particularly in your district. Ryan,
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  Speaker 3: maybe you could add a little bit more texture here
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  Speaker 3: of what's going on with this Christoff piece since you've
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  Speaker 3: done similar report in Ryan.
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  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean, I'm sure people have come across
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  Speaker 4: it at this point, but it's an extensive investigation relying
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  Speaker 4: on what at least fourteen you know, fourteen direct sources,
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  Speaker 4: on top of reports from the United Nations and other
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  Speaker 4: international humanitarian or human rights organizations that were UH that reports.
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  Speaker 4: What we have long known that sexual violence is deployed
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  Speaker 4: by UH, the Israeli government in prisons and and all
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  Speaker 4: so in the West Bank towards towards people who live
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  Speaker 4: there by settlers in a in a systematic way without impunity.
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  Speaker 4: In fact, if you go back over the last couple
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  Speaker 4: of years, the only person that you can think about
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  Speaker 4: who has faced any consequences at all is the prosecutor
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  Speaker 4: who tried to bring a case against the idea of
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  Speaker 4: prison guards who were caught on camera gang raping a
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  Speaker 4: Palestiniandeed Daintee, who then you know, had to spent a
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  Speaker 4: very long time in the hospital and had uh, you know,
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  Speaker 4: horrific had her horrific injuries from what we could see
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  Speaker 4: happen on video. That prosecutor was was fired and they
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  Speaker 4: tried to jail her and they're still hounding her. So
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  Speaker 4: that's the only accountability that has been deployed so far.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, Chuck thoughts on you know what the response
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  Speaker 4: should be in the United States. I think the response
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  Speaker 4: to fire the protest outside the New York Times.
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  Speaker 17: Is Yeah, So let me tell you the response should
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  Speaker 17: not be to file Nick Christoff, fire Nick Christoph. I
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  Speaker 17: read that piece, and I think one it is truly horrific. Look,
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  Speaker 17: we've all seen the videos, we've all seen social media
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  Speaker 17: content about this. But to have him right to interview
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  Speaker 17: victims themselves, and to have those victims actually appear in
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  Speaker 17: photos in that piece that he wrote, to expose themselves
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  Speaker 17: in that way and describe what happened to them, it
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  Speaker 17: must have been terrifying. And these are credible accounts of
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  Speaker 17: sexual violence against men and women in the West Bank,
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  Speaker 17: conducted by both IDF and by settlers, and so it
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  Speaker 17: is disgusting and I'm shocked that the protesters outside there
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  Speaker 17: aren't protesting that sexual violence, but are protesting a journalist
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  Speaker 17: for uplifting victims of sexual violence. Now what's interesting is
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  Speaker 17: Nick Christof's piece also acknowledged credible accounts of violence against
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  Speaker 17: against Israelis on October seven, So it's not like he was,
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  Speaker 17: you know, selectively picking stories. He was trying to establish
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  Speaker 17: or present a universal standard we should all be against
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  Speaker 17: horrific acts of again, sexual violence against people, and for
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  Speaker 17: that he's apparently being apparently ask him to be fired, Chuck.
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  Speaker 2: How do you think that Zoron has handled mayor Mom
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  Speaker 2: Donnie has handled the dispute over protests outside of synagogues
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  Speaker 2: and in particular, you know, everybody the media tends to
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  Speaker 2: make it sound like, oh, they're just protesting a synagogue.
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  Speaker 2: There was a specific action which was being protested, which
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  Speaker 2: was sales of illegal land, stolen land in the West Bank.
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  Speaker 2: I would also add that they are only selling that
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  Speaker 2: land to one ethnic group, which also violates our laws.
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  Speaker 2: In any case, how do you think he has done
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  Speaker 2: handling the conflict over these protests and what would be
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  Speaker 2: you know, what do you think should be done in
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  Speaker 2: this case?
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  Speaker 17: So the first thing I'll say is absolutely right, Look,
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  Speaker 17: these land sales are absolutely legal. They're in violation of
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  Speaker 17: the Geneva Convention. Last I checked, the US is as
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  Speaker 17: signatory to the Geneva Convention and occupying force cannot settle
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  Speaker 17: occupied territories. So this is explicitly illegal active being conducted
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  Speaker 17: even under US standards. And so I think that Zoron
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  Speaker 17: or Mayor Mom Donnie is doing the best he can
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  Speaker 17: to not sanction that illegal activity. I am shocked at
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  Speaker 17: the city Council has passed bills to restrict the ability
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  Speaker 17: to protest on lawful activity at US sites in New
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  Speaker 17: York City, And so I think that I am happy
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  Speaker 17: that the mayor veto buffers are called buffer zone bill
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  Speaker 17: that would have established buffer zones around schools. And I
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  Speaker 17: wish there was more opposition opposition to the buffer zone
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  Speaker 17: bill that that protects houses of worship, because what's happening
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  Speaker 17: at these sites isn't prayer and the practice of faith.
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  Speaker 17: It is illegal activity. And again it's a legal activity
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  Speaker 17: even under US standards.
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  Speaker 8: What go ahead.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just gonna say, like, what you what are you
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  Speaker 4: seeing on on the ground that gives you hope that
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  Speaker 4: this is going to be that this is going to
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  Speaker 4: be a winnable race.
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  Speaker 5: You know that.
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  Speaker 4: I think you know you're going to be incredibly outspent.
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  Speaker 4: And there's a kind of a is there a threshold
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  Speaker 4: level of kind of fundraising that you have to pull
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  Speaker 4: off to get there? Or are you going on the
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  Speaker 4: AOC kind of shoe string. There's just so much hostility
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  Speaker 4: to incumbents.
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  Speaker 17: We look, I'm never going to match APAX money, right,
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  Speaker 17: I'm going against somebody who is APAC indors who speaks
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  Speaker 17: at their conferences. She will have four or five, maybe
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  Speaker 17: ten x the spending that I can muster, and she'll
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  Speaker 17: drop mail on the residents of Queens ten twenty times over.
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  Speaker 17: And so I'm not going to beat her on the money. Now,
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  Speaker 17: what's fascinating is people on the ground are pissed off.
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  Speaker 17: They're pissed off obviously at complacent Democrats, but they're pissed
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  Speaker 17: off about the genocide.
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  Speaker 5: Still.
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  Speaker 17: Genocide has become a kitchen table issue. Right, it's not
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  Speaker 17: this abstract foreign policy thing. It's not just a moral
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  Speaker 17: stain on our national conscience. It is, but it's this
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  Speaker 17: increasing entanglement in net Yahoo's ethnic imperial project that is
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  Speaker 17: hurting normal working families. We see it in gas prices,
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  Speaker 17: grocery prices. We see it every single day, and normal
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  Speaker 17: people are feeling it. It's not just Palestinian liberation activists.
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  Speaker 17: It's you know, a working family, a nurse and a
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  Speaker 17: school teacher, married, trying to raise two kids, and they
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  Speaker 17: see their bills keep going up because of this stupid
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  Speaker 17: war in Iran, and because we keep sending billions for
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  Speaker 17: Net and Yahoo to blow up families from Gaza to
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  Speaker 17: Lemanon to Tehran.
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  Speaker 4: And Emily, what one quick fault? Yeah on the Are
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  Speaker 4: you gonna be on the ballot as Chuck?
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  Speaker 7: I help that? How?
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  Speaker 4: I'm just curious mechanically? How does that work?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 5: Do you look?
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  Speaker 7: My name is Charles Park.
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  Speaker 17: I've gone by Chuck for a long time in New York. Actually,
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  Speaker 17: there's there's lawsuit that allowed candidates to use their commonly
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  Speaker 17: used name on the ballot. And look, I know there's
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  Speaker 17: a lot of confusion with another Chuck. I don't ride
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  Speaker 17: with that Chuck. I'm Chuck Park, not bad Chuck.
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  Speaker 7: I'm the good Chuck. I'm the anti apicked Chuck, the
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  Speaker 7: anti genocide Chuck. I don't know did you.
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  Speaker 4: Have to did you have to submit like a group
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  Speaker 4: chat where your friends are calling you chuck or like,
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  Speaker 4: how do you establish how do I c name you?
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  Speaker 17: Just say it and then hope someone challenges you. But
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  Speaker 17: I've been chucked for a long time.
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  Speaker 2: It's such a ryan questioned right now A good question.
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  Speaker 8: I was going to ask a question. I know you're
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  Speaker 8: the primary right now, and you mentioned your opponent. Is
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  Speaker 8: you describe your opponent as pro ice? And so one
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  Speaker 8: question I would have is, you know there are people
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  Speaker 8: in Queens and another parts of the country who are
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  Speaker 8: in the United States illegally, who are criminals who actually
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  Speaker 8: should not be here. There was a horrible case in
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  Speaker 8: Queens a few years ago of the rape of a
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  Speaker 8: thirteen year old girl by an Ecuadorian who had crossed
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  Speaker 8: the border in twenty twenty one. So what is the
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  Speaker 8: kind of I'm actually curious about this. How do you
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  Speaker 8: see a replacement for ice? If you're in Congress, you
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  Speaker 8: vote to abolish ice, how do you deal with that
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  Speaker 8: situation while also abolishing ice? How are you how do
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  Speaker 8: you keep the streets of Queens safe from people who
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  Speaker 8: actually do want to do harm to the people Queens?
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  Speaker 7: The person time they have to reject the premise of
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  Speaker 7: that question.
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  Speaker 17: Yes, there are bad people in the world, people who
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  Speaker 17: assault children, who hurt and kill people, that it does
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  Speaker 17: not correlate at all to immigration status at all.
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  Speaker 8: But that's not the question. The question is I agree
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  Speaker 8: that the crime rates are debatable, but like there are
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  Speaker 8: people who want to do harm who should.
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  Speaker 7: Be a Let me be clear, I am calling for
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  Speaker 7: the abolition of ICE.
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  Speaker 17: I think that money should be rescinded and that agency
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  Speaker 17: should be dismandled. This is seventy five billion given to
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  Speaker 17: them under the One Big Beautiful Bill Act. Forty billion
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  Speaker 17: for detention, thirty five billion for personnel. It's twelve thousand
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  Speaker 17: new officers. This is Trump's ICE, and that needs to
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  Speaker 17: be dismantled, dismantled, and so the question of what comes
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  Speaker 17: after that, Yes, there should be interior enforcement. If you are,
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  Speaker 17: as you said, a child, predators, hurt people, I don't
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  Speaker 17: think you have a place in society, right you should
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  Speaker 17: be removed. If you are an explicitly convicted dangerous person
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  Speaker 17: has gone through that due process. You do not belong
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  Speaker 17: hanging out in public, walking these streets. And again that
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  Speaker 17: doesn't matter if you have immigration status, whether you have
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  Speaker 17: temporary status, whether you're totally undocumented right, And so it's
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  Speaker 17: a standard that is not tied, not correlated to your
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  Speaker 17: status as an immigrant or non immigrant or anything else.
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  Speaker 17: If you're a dangerous person, you should not be allowed
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  Speaker 17: to roam free. But the call is to abolish ICE.
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  Speaker 17: And again I have to say that in Queens, New
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  Speaker 17: York City, the activity hasn't stopped. You know, I live
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  Speaker 17: in a neighborhood called Jackson Heights. There are dads being
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  Speaker 17: disappeared from home, depot parking lots, a mom and a
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  Speaker 17: kid thrown into a van.
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  Speaker 7: This is daily in the New York City Field Office.
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  Speaker 17: If you look at the statistics from the Deportation Data Project,
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  Speaker 17: they're still detaining six hundred people a month. That's dozens
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  Speaker 17: every single day in New York City. If you look
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  Speaker 17: at recent reporting from the Times on Long Island, they
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  Speaker 17: have open cooperation with local and state law enforcement. So
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  Speaker 17: ICE is literally using fire stations as rest stops, taking naps,
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  Speaker 17: using public resources. Then they're parking outside public schools waiting
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  Speaker 17: to snatch a parent and a kid coming out of school.
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  Speaker 17: And so the ICE crisis, you know, it obviously peaked
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  Speaker 17: with the horrors we saw in Minnesota. In Minneapolis, but
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  Speaker 17: it's still there. They're doing these secret special ops to
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  Speaker 17: the tune of hundreds of people a month still in New.
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  Speaker 7: York City, and so that has to be.
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  Speaker 5: Stopped as as somebody no, go.
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  Speaker 2: Ahead, Crystal, Oh, I was going to ask, I was
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  Speaker 2: going to change this toaving a little bit to a pack,
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  Speaker 2: because I know you said your opponent is, you know,
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  Speaker 2: openly embraced by APAC, endorsed by APAC. I know a
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  Speaker 2: lot of Democrats are afraid of that label at this
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  Speaker 2: point of Democratic elected officials, not because they disagree with
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  Speaker 2: the ideology, but they realize it's become toxic among the
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  Speaker 2: Democratic base. And I wonder why you think she has
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  Speaker 2: made that choice, and also tell us a little bit
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  Speaker 2: about her strategy and approaches the strace, because I understand
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  Speaker 2: that she's refused to really acknowledge you or debate you.
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  Speaker 5: Correct.
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  Speaker 17: So she's been taking a PAC money for a long time,
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  Speaker 17: to the tune of two million plus over her decade
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  Speaker 17: in Congress. And I think she takes their money because
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  Speaker 17: she has no grassroots support. You know, I'm a brand
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  Speaker 17: new candid. I've never run for political offs before. I
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  Speaker 17: announced in November after being pissed off about ice raids
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  Speaker 17: and genocide, and so I googled how to run for office,
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  Speaker 17: I filed an FEC forum and here I am six
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  Speaker 17: months later.
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  Speaker 7: So I'm so angry.
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  Speaker 17: I want to do something I already and nobody running
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  Speaker 17: for Commress for six months have more donors individual contributions
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  Speaker 17: than she does. And she's been an office for more
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  Speaker 17: than a decade.
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  Speaker 8: So you're not taking corporate PAC money or anything like
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  Speaker 8: that either.
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  Speaker 17: No corporate pack money, no lobbyist pack money, absolutely no
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  Speaker 17: a PAC money. And so she as a sitting elected official,
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  Speaker 17: I think, frankly, she is complacent. She doesn't want to
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  Speaker 17: talk to people, and so she'll take a big check
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  Speaker 17: from whoever give one, whoever will send one to her,
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  Speaker 17: and then includes a PAC And so in return for
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  Speaker 17: that a PAC money that she's taken for more than
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  Speaker 17: a decade, Guess what she is joining as a Democrat.
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  Speaker 17: She's joining Republicans to defend Net and Yahoo against prosecution
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  Speaker 17: in the International Criminal Court. She is reauthorizing every single
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  Speaker 17: year unconditional, unconditional billions for Net, Yahoo to bomb children
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  Speaker 17: and families hiding in the rubble of Gaza. She is
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  Speaker 17: speaking at a PAC conferences. She is cheering on Yaho
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  Speaker 17: when he tries to unravel the and Ron nuclear deal
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  Speaker 17: under a Democratic president. So she has taken that big
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  Speaker 17: money with huge strings attached, and her approach is to
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  Speaker 17: hide the fact that she is totally bought. She's bought
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  Speaker 17: by Apax. She's also bought by a long list of
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  Speaker 17: corporate packs.
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  Speaker 4: Before you go, I did want to ask you about,
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  Speaker 4: you know, with the work that you've done, you know,
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  Speaker 4: among immigrant communities, what you're seeing over the last kind
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  Speaker 4: of year and a half that's different than what you
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  Speaker 4: were seeing before. Like just talking to immigration attorneys, the
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  Speaker 4: stories that are you know, coming out of these detention
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  Speaker 4: centers and coming out of the roundups, don't they don't
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  Speaker 4: seem to be quite penetrating into kind of the mainstream press.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you hear hear about cases of habeas claims
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: being successfully filed. And you know what DHS does is
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: they walk the person out of the detention center, they
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: take the cuffs off, and then they just recuff them
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  Speaker 4: immediately and say, well, this is a new this is
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  Speaker 4: a new detention because we have determined that you're now
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  Speaker 4: still in the country illegally. And so even though you
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  Speaker 4: won your habeas claim. No, you're right back in, you know,
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  Speaker 4: you know, getting rid of immigration administrative judges. Who are
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  Speaker 4: you know even who are who are allowing people out
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  Speaker 4: on bail, you know, mandatory detention for everybody picked up?
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  Speaker 4: What what types of things are you seeing that aren't
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  Speaker 4: getting picked up in the in the mainstream press.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, that's exactly right.
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  Speaker 17: They're they're still lurking outside of courthouses at twenty six
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  Speaker 17: Federal Plaza.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, we've all seen the videos out of there.
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  Speaker 17: You know, we saw them tackling family members of migrants
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 17: and immigrants, and it's not penetrating, I think because we're
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 17: desensized to it. They're still lurking at construction sites, at
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 17: parking lights, outside of public schools, on street corners throughout
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 17: Queens and New York City, and there is the same
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 17: game plan. They are swiftly throwing them in a van
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 17: and shipping them off to Dilly, Texas. And I have
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 17: to give a shout out to Miss Rachel for calling
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  Speaker 17: out that that the cruel detention centers that are again
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 17: are being operated by private companies, for profit companies Geogroup,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 17: cour Civic. At that family separation that we were all
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 17: up in arms about and the first Trump presidency that
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 17: is still happening, happening.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 7: Children are in cold jail cells.
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  Speaker 17: You know, screaming for food and to be released, you know,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 17: missing class, and so it's it's I think we've become
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 17: desensitized because the distraction machine is working. It's the air
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 17: strikes in Caracas, and then it's more in Iran, and
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 17: then all of a sudden, it's something else. And so
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 17: the distraction machine is working, unfortunately, but especially in Queens,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 17: New York City, it's so visceral because we see it
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 17: on the streets on a daily basis, we see it
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 17: in an empty seat in a child's classroom. It's happening still,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 17: and so we need people who are vocally going to
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 17: call to abolish ICE, and not people who are complacent,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 17: you know, democrats who maybe take corporate pack money, even
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 17: from some of these organizations that that power ICE, whether
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 17: it's Pallenteer or L three Harris or or these private
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 17: detention center companies.
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  Speaker 3: Hmmm, Chuck, I got one last queen's related question for you.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: Of course, we can't talk about queens about talking about
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 3: the Mets and America's number one industry gambling now you
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: have been vocally against a new casino that is being built,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: correct me if I'm wrong in the parking.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 5: Lot of the Mets Stadium.
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  Speaker 3: By billionaire Steve Cohen. Tell me more about that and
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: why this new casino in Queens would be bad for Queens.
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  Speaker 17: Yes, this is the wildest thing. I want to take
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  Speaker 17: off that half. You're going to talk about the Mets too.
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  Speaker 5: This is a fashion choice.
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  Speaker 17: Okay, this is wild to me. Look New York City,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 17: that's the progressive heart of America. Right now, we got zoron, mom, Donnie.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 17: We got aoc spitting fire right in our own backyard
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 17: in Queens at City Field, there is a billionaire oligarch
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 17: named Steve Cohen uh using public resources to make himself
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 17: rich and totally corrupt our democracy.
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  Speaker 7: I'll tell you a quick story.
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  Speaker 17: He bought the Mets in twenty twenty for two point
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  Speaker 17: four billion, the highest ever paid for a baseball team.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 7: And guess what they did horribly that year.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 17: So he wasn't buying a great team, he was buying
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 17: the rights to develop that parking lot. And let me
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 17: tell you what Steve Cohen also invests in besides casinos
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 17: in parking lots. He invests in Elbit Systems, a defense
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 17: contractor based in Israel. He invests in cor Civic and Geogroup,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 17: which you know gets massive contracts for ice detention centers.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 17: He invests in the Republican Senate campaigns, he invests in
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 17: Trump's inauguration.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 7: So that's Steve Cohen's track record of investment.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 17: He makes money every time someone suffers in this country
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 17: or this world.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 7: And that's exactly what he's.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 17: Trying to do in Queens on City Field, on our
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 17: you know, using our beloved mets to totally sports wash
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 17: his image. And so if you care about fighting oligarchy,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 17: then we got to go after Steve Cohen. We go,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 17: I gotta go after these casinos because again it's happening
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 17: right here. He has made political donations I'm sorry, to
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 17: every level of government city state, including my opponent, and
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 17: using those donations that come again from killing children in Gaza,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 17: from detaining kids in Dilly, He's used that money to
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 17: power political campaigns in New York City, and he has
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 17: bought the silence, the silence of leaders here. And so
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 17: I am vocally against that casino in City Field. It's
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 17: not built yet, and if I, if I went. I'll
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 17: make sure it's never built. Thank you for asking a question, though, Yes,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 17: Steve A p O S.
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  Speaker 3: So we will. Maybe we can build the casino at
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: Yankee Stadium. Would you like that more?
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 5: Chuck it?
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  Speaker 7: I don't want it anywhere, but if put mix.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 5: With the Yankees.
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  Speaker 3: All right, Well, thank you so much for giving us
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: your time today, Chuck. If people like what you're talking about,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: where can they find more about you and your campaign?
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 9: Uh?
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  Speaker 7: Find me at chuckfo queens dot com.
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  Speaker 17: That's Chuck f O R q U E E N
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• 1:15:54
  Speaker 17: I only take Ressroots money. But also, hey, if you're
• 1:15:57
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• 1:15:58
  Speaker 17: lot of fun of by you. Pizza, samosa, momo at dumpling,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 17: whatever you want. Just help me knocked doors because we're
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 17: gonna win it that way.
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  Speaker 2: Amazing.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, awesome, thank you, Chuck. Let's go. Let's go to
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 5: a Mets game soon. Okay, get it.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 7: You got to take off that hat. The you're gonna
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 7: gain a fight.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 5: I got lots of hats. I wear lots of hats
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  Speaker 5: on the show. All right, We'll see you later.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: Chuck, thank you check.
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  Speaker 7: All right, thank you guys so much for the opportunity.
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  Speaker 2: All right this morning, joining us to talk about President
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: Trump's trip to China and the mean tweets that the
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: President has been sitting against him, and also to preview
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: a little bit Thomas Massey's primary race next week in Kentucky.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: We are joined by Congressman Rocanna. Great, Caesar, great to
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: be back on. Yeah, of course, let's start with the
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: mean tweets, shall we, the most serious item on the agenda.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: But Trump came after you a number of times, very
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: upset about your Fox News appearances, feeling like the Fox
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: News hosts are not up to the job of challenging
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: you appropriately. So here was one of them, the sleezebag
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: radical left congressman from the failed state of California. Rocanna.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: You did your name right, though, which is unusual. Should
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: not be allowed on Fox News unless you have an
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: anchor who is capable of disputing his lives one after
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: another and closing down his fake bullshit narrative. He's similar,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: but worse than that. Came Jefferies, only with a somewhat
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: higher IQ. You can't help but give you a few
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: compliments here, sir, this morning, he tried on behalf of
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: the Democrats to take credit for the steel industry pouring
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: back into the US, knowing full well that the dumbs
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: virtually destroyed it and I saved it through strong tariffs. Plus,
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: our country was dead during the last administration. Now it
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: as hotter than ever, et cetera, et cetera. So what
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: did you say that set off this whole tirade?
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  Speaker 9: First of all, I think he thinks Fox anchors aren't
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 9: as tough as those on breaking points. I mean, folks,
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 9: you can see some of my tough interviews with Crystal
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 9: Ball that you can all forget.
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  Speaker 5: That I can't bring that BS here.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that's right, But look you here's the art. The
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 9: whole time. He's never attacked me on Epstein, never once, right,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 9: So why does he get sight off on this? Because
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 9: I was going after his central theme, which is he
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 9: ran as the guy that was going to bring back
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 9: jobs to Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio, bring back steel, bring back manufacturing.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 9: And I was at the port in Cleveland saying, well,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 9: look there's still Chinese steel here. And actually Trump is
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 9: taking these trillionaires from Wall Street in Silicon Valley to
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 9: go beg China for deals that are going to offshore
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 9: jobs and hurt workers, and it fundamentally shows the betrayal
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 9: of his promise. He had two promises, like substantively, he
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 9: wasn't going to get us into wars. He got us
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 9: into a war in Iran, and he was going to
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 9: look out for the working class and protect us against
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 9: more offshering. And he's basically taking the global elite to
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 9: offshore more of our jobs. And I think that set
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 9: them off because it was true and undermines his actual
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 9: rationale for his candidacy.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 5: And are you hoping to bait him? Like? What is?
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 5: What is the strategy?
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: Is?
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 5: Like it is? Do you do you think it's helpful
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 5: to you?
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 4: And also to the kind of political conversation when he
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 4: starts lashing out and how so?
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean I didn't actually think this would trigger him,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 9: So I can't say, oh, I was trying to set
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 9: him up, But I do think it shows a couple
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 9: of things. One, it's important to go on Fox News.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 9: It's important to actually try to talk to his base,
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 9: because when I go on MSNBC, which I love doing,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 9: or go on liberal podcasts, he doesn't really care. I
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 9: mean that's the reality. But if you get to issues
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 9: that he thinks are going to hurt him with his voters,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 9: that's when you can get a reaction. And you want
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 9: to get a reaction from him because it actually shows
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 9: the hollowness of what he ran on. And so in
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 9: my view, we should be going and talking to Trump
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 9: voters on forums where Trump are watching and making our case.
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  Speaker 2: Coyerson, what have you thought of the trip to China?
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: I know you mentioned that it was basically like bringing
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: along a bunch of oligarchs to offshore more jobs. You know,
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: what do you make of Trump having to go there
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: in this moment of incredible weakness, given the strategic defeat
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: that we've suffered in Iran?
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  Speaker 9: It's shameful. I mean, the fact is that he should
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 9: be ending this war, and he needs China to end
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 9: the war. I hope he gets China's helped end the
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 9: war because it has met. Food prices are going up,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 9: Fertilizer costs are up, so farmers are paying more. Gas
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 9: prices are up. The Fed can't cut interest rates, which
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 9: he really wants, and I understand why he wants it
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 9: to bring down credit card costs, mortgage costs, student loan costs,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 9: but they can't do it because of the inflation of
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 9: his war. And so he's going to China understanding that
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 9: we need to end the war and he needs China's help.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 9: But then he's also taking along literally Woltz Street and
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 9: tech billionaires in my district, begging China to put in
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 9: money into the United States where they're going to have
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 9: no labor standards, where they're going to have subsidized industry,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 9: and it's going to hurt American jobs, and trying to
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 9: cut deals that are going to offshore our jobs to China.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 9: It is just a pathetic and that's why I think
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 9: this is the time the Democrats need to have a
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 9: sense of we're the party against war. We're the party
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 9: that's actually for Team America, and we want an economics
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 9: that are actually going to help working class Americans with
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 9: good union jobs and high paying jobs here in the
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 9: United States.
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  Speaker 8: I wanted to pick up on that point. I'm sorry, Chris,
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  Speaker 8: I was just to say that. Matt Stoller wrote in
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 8: his newsletter last night, reflecting on the China trip. He said, quote,
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  Speaker 8: the Left is often fooled by the hawk and dove
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 8: rhetoric on China because they can't tell the difference between
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 8: war and economic relationships. But it has always been the
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 8: neo conservative hawks in the Middle East to have been
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 8: the most dubbish towards Chinese economic relations just like Wall Street,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 8: the people who oppose both war and predatory Wall Street
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 8: slash Chinese policy as labor. Honestly, the China Hawk dub
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 8: debate is sort of over. The US is no longer
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 8: capable of balancing China on its own. We have destroyed
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 8: too much of our industrial health to do that. That
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 8: doesn't mean shifting our system is pointless. I just kind
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 8: of wanted to get your reaction to Stoller's reaction from
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 8: the populist anti monopoly left because that point, to me,
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 8: actually was pretty interesting and compelling.
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  Speaker 9: I think it's diagnosis is actually right. I mean, look,
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 9: this country made a decision that we wanted cheap labor,
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 9: that we wanted capital to have returns, and that we
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 9: were going to hollow out Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and the
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 9: industrial part of the country and that they could all
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 9: learn how to be software engineers called removed. I mean,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 9: that was the consensus policy since the late nineteen seventies
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 9: and at the same time, there was a hawkishness of
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 9: let's go create these wars in the Middle East, whether
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 9: it was a Rock or now Iran. And what the
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 9: American people want, in my views of the exec opposite.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 9: They don't want these Middle East wars, but they want
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 9: us to have economic industry and some self reliance and
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 9: not just have all our focus beyond shareholder capital returns,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 9: but actually care about the workingmail class. Now where I
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 9: disagree with smaller and of course my business of being
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 9: in politics, so I'm not well, let's just give up
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 9: in despair and nothing can be done. I think there
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 9: are policies that could rebuild an industrial base in this country.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 9: We can have an industrial Investment bank. We can have
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 9: trade schools, we can have tech institutes. We can invest
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 9: in childcare jobs and eldercare jobs. We could have capital
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 9: not just owned by a few people in a few
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 9: places controlling the majority of the nation's wealth, but more dispersed.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 9: And those are the things I think the Democrats should
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 9: actually focus on when we get the trifecta.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: Again, what do you think our relationship with China should
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: look like? Because I mean, there are obviously a number
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: of issues which are major global issues, climate change and
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: AI come to mind where we really need to work
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: collaboratively with them for the better man, and not of
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: only of our own people, but really for the global
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: preservation of the globe. So how do you think about
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: those issues and how to approach the relationship.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 9: Well, I agree with you, Chris. I'm not one of
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 9: those people who believes we should have a cold war,
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 9: and I have never criticized actually Trump for engagement and
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 9: trying to have peace. I mean some on the Democrats,
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 9: just anything Trump does they criticize, and so they're criticizing
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 9: him because he doesn't want a war there. I don't
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 9: think that should be the answer. I don't think decoupling
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 9: should be the answer. My view is we need economic rebalancing.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 9: They shouldn't be subsidizing their industries and dumping in the
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 9: United States, and we should have smart industrial policy so
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 9: that we have an industrial manufacturing base. But at the
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 9: same time, if we have economic rebalancing, we should work
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 9: with China on safety standards, on AI, on climate change,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 9: on actually solving the issue in Iran, like a new
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 9: JCPO so that you have the straight off for Moose
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 9: open and you don't have it Ron having enriched uranium
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 9: to build a nuclear bomb. I mean, there are a
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 9: lot of areas that we can collaborate while pushing for
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 9: an economic rebalancing.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: Wanted to get your reaction, or Ryan, were you going
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: to ask on China? I was going to switch gears
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: to Thomas Massey.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 5: Oh me too, So go ahead.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know you've obviously worked very effectively and collaboratively
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: with Thomas Massey. Republican represents a district in Kentucky. It's
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: actually sort of like a superban district outside of Cincinnati,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: but on the Kentucky side. He is being challenged in
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: a very well funded primary because he dared to cross
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump. Trump has endorsed his primary challenger. Obviously, Israel
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: has loomed large since Massi has been one of the
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: few Republicans who has taken a different approach on what
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: our relationship ship should be with regards to Israel, And
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: by all accounts, it's a very close race at this point.
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  Speaker 2: So I wonder what you're hearing from Congressman Massey and
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: you know what you're seeing in terms of that race.
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  Speaker 9: I just saw him this morning and I said, Thomas,
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  Speaker 9: I'm sorry if I got you in hot water because
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 9: I called you a man, a character, and Laura Lumer
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 9: and others are saying Conna and Dorris's Massy. He says, row,
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 9: I made my bed a long time ago. You don't
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 9: have to run away from me. But it's despicable what
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 9: they're doing to him. They're not just attacking him, they're
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 9: going after character assassination. They're dragging someone who lost his
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 9: wife and bringing up past relationships he had in just
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 9: a really ugly way. And Massy is a person, a character.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 9: I vouch for that of what I've known of him.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 9: And look, I said. Generational race. He said he's winning
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 9: by about thirty points voters under fifty Republicans under fifty,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 9: and he's losing by about thirty points Republicans over fifty.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 9: He said that when he goes on stops, there hundreds
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 9: of people there with him, and when his opponent goes
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 9: and stuff, they're three or four people. And yet the
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 9: polls are neck and neck. So the energy is with him.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 9: The young people are with him, but the older voters
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 9: are all with his opponent. And it really is going
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 9: to come down to turnout on who turns out. But
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 9: the Republican Party under fifty is a very different Republican
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 9: party than the traditional Republicans, and that gives an opportunity
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 9: on some of these issues to build a broad coalition
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 9: against war, against aid to Israel, against the Epstein class.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 8: Well, I was going to put it this way, what
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 8: does Congress lose? You're a Democrat. What does Congress lose
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 8: if it loses Thomas Massey.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 9: It's a huge blow. First of all, it's a blow
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 9: that if you stand up against your president in your party,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 9: you could lose your seat. So it's a disincentive, not
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 9: just to Republicans. I believe it will be a disincentive
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 9: to independent action on both side. That the way to
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 9: get ahead in Washington is to keep your head down.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 9: That still lesson most people realize that if you just
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 9: keep your head down, you pay your dues, you do everything,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 9: you don't ruffle the status quo, eventually you'll be Nancy
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 9: Pelosi or Chuck Schumer or Joe Biden. You know you'll
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 9: get the lead, and you know if you're out there
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 9: trying to stir things up, eventually I'll catch up with
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 9: you and you'll lose your seat or be pushed out.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 9: That's basically why most politicians take the safe course, and
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 9: if Massy loses, it's going to show like see, we
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 9: told you don't get out of line, Margie Teylgreen got
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 9: out of aligned. Massey got out of line. You know
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 9: I didn't take the same risks, but I've got a
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 9: primary challenger against me, which most members don't have, Like
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 9: just it's not worth it. That's what happens. If Massy
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 9: loses and Massy wins. I believe he becomes a national star.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 9: He's in my view, a potential contender for the Republican
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 9: nomination if that's what he wants. I've never talked to
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 9: him about it, but it's a show up that independence
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 9: can actually be a political assets. It's an enormously important race.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 3: Congressman, I had a question about you spoke of broad
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 3: coalitions and MTG. Now both of you appeared together on
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: CNN talking about some of your shared agreements. And I
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: think that a show like ours is very you know,
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: partial and open to that kind of idea of a
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: broad coalition. I mean, our show is people from different
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: political perspectives finding areas of common agreement. And also like
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: related to Trump bullying, now you are apparently are not
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: afraid or shaken by Trump bullying you.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 5: But MTG was she you know, got a lot of threats,
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 5: a lot of harassment.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, Ryan has said that she paid a political price,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: but she did quit Congress, and she could have taken
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 3: votes on these subjects that she's talking about that would
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: have really mattered.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 9: Now.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: I know there's a lot of discussion about her intention,
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: whether she really believes the things she's saying or not,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: And let's put all that to the side for a
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: second and say that she's being completely honest and completely
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: real with the subjects she's talking about. What is the
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: value in allying with someone who essentially quit Congress and
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: stepped away from a powerful position where she could have
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: actually enacted changes. And if we are allying with her
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: or working with her, what is to stop her from
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: just quitting again or giving out when the going gets tough,
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: Because if you're an effective political person in this country,
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: that's going to mean that thirty to fifty percent of
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: the country hates you, that they think you're stalin, you know,
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: or something like that. So tell me about your your
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: thought process with someone like MTG.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 9: Yeah, Well, for let may be clear, I have never
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 9: compromised an inch on progressive values, of values of standing
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 9: up for women's rights, of multiracial democracy, on trans rites,
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 9: lgb LGBTQ rights. And it's very clear that I have
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 9: differences with people like Marjorie Tayler Green or Thomas Massey
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 9: on those issues. They know that I'm clear about it.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 9: I never compromise on it. But when it comes to
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 9: issues such as stopping war, such as taking on the
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 9: Epstein class, things that I believe actually are progressive goals,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 9: of course I'm going to work, in my view, with
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 9: people like Marjorie Taylor Green or others to achieve that.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 9: That's building a coalition to be effective and to have
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 9: adorable majority. Now, the threats that I faced a presidential
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 9: tweet are pale in comparison to the threats that Massy
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 9: or Marjorie Taylor Green face, And so we just need
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 9: to put this in context. You know, Trump tweeting and
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 9: me actually helps me. It raises my profile, It gives
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 9: me a sense of being able to talk to the issues.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 9: Is not a real threat electorally to me. Fortunately, I've
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 9: not had that kind of threats to my life that
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 9: people like a Marjorie Taelgreen face. She was facing the
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 9: entire presidential machine coming at her. She was facing actual
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 9: threats to her life from a MAGA base. We know
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 9: what they're capable of, given January sixth and the threats
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 9: of Penn's face. So I do I wish that folks
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 9: would stay in the fight. Sure, but we should not
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 9: underestimate the enormous pressure that came down on her and
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 9: Marjorie and Massey and and Babert and and Mace. And
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 9: my hope is that some of these folks will stay
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 9: engaged in rebuilding the Republican Party. Now, as she said
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 9: things that I strongly disagree with, absolutely, but the hope
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 9: is that she acknowledges that and starts to build a
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 9: new Republican Party post Trump.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: Last one for me, congressmhen you mentioned that you have
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: your own primary challenger who is backed by a bunch
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: of the Silicon Valley billionaires in your district. How is
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: that going? What is he running on?
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 9: You know, he's pretty candid. He runs on saying he's
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 9: pro NAFTA, his pro anti billionaire attacks. Buller shot AI.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 9: I was like, at least the guy's honest things, you know.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 9: But the point is that the billionaires are upset at
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 9: me because I'm saying that they should pay a one
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 9: time five percent tax, that if there were twenty billion,
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 9: they should be worth nineteen billion, so that two million
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 9: Californians can have healthcare. And because of that issue, you've seen,
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 9: I think Ryan pointed this out, you've seen the most
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 9: remarkable class solidarity. The passion they have on this issue
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 9: is more than the passion most Americans have to stop
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 9: the war in Iran. To the Epstein class, it's actually
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 9: quite remarkable. And I often say to them, Look, I'm
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 9: the nice guy. You know, I just want you to
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 9: pay more tax and we can have a new social contract.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 9: Have you met folks in their thirties and forties, because
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 9: they don't have the same view. And when you have
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 9: massive wealth inequality, it leads in many cases to kind
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 9: of political revolution. You don't have to be a student
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 9: of the French Revolution, of the Russian Revolution, or revolutions
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 9: of very world history to understand you can't have a
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 9: few people in a few places controlling the majority of
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 9: a nation's wealth. You've got to lopsided an unfair economic system.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 9: And so I, look, I think I will win, but
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 9: I want to win decisively, and I want to show
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 9: that if I can stand up to the billionaires in
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 9: a district that has more billionaires than anywhere in the world,
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 9: if I can show that I am willing to stand
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 9: up to them and call for fear taxation there, this
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 9: should not be a hard position for four hundred and
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 9: thirty four other members of Congress.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it is fair to tell them Roe
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 4: is the compromise. You don't want to see what's on
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 4: the other on the other side of that. I'm curious though,
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 4: on the Democratic primary side, what are the races like
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 4: internally among your colleagues that they're watching with the most
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 4: interest kind of slash trepidation. Is it some of the
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 4: races against incumbents or is it some of the open seats.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 5: So we got Philadelphia next.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 4: Week where you've got two establishment candidates against Chris rab
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 4: I think you endorsed Chris Rab's out there for him.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 4: You've got the San Francisco race. You have to d
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 4: triple c winging into some of these open races. But
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 4: as it, ye know, what are the what are the
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 4: ones that are kind of defining the the.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 5: Attitudes of people in your in your caucus. What are
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 5: people watching?
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 9: Well, you've got two different concerns. On the one hand,
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 9: you've got the concerns that Graham, Platner and Abdul said, Uh,
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 9: these candidates who Burnie endorsed, I endorsed, a few progressives
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 9: indorse are actually winning. And they're used to these candidates
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 9: just being fringed. They okay, Conla endorse, Bernie endorsed them,
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 9: but they're not going to win. It's fine, they're nuisance gadflies.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 9: And now they're winning. And this is a they don't
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 9: know what to do with this. They don't know what
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 9: to do with an Abdul Say that's up nine points,
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 9: or a grand Plattner that's forced Janet Mills to step aside.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 9: Obviously they want Graham now to win, but it is
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 9: causing them real sense of a fear at what the
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 9: future of the Democratic Party is. And then you've got
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 9: the more visceral thing, which is you've got candidates extroorninal
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 9: candidates like Malot running in Colorado or the me I
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 9: who's running in Sacramento against an incumbent. Eric Jones was
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 9: running against an incumbent on progressive platforms, and you know,
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 9: even me saying their names, now I'm going to get
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 9: angry tweets from a text for my colleagues. I mean,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 9: how dare I mentioned the name of a primary ut
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 9: I'll mention that my primary challengers eats another one. I'll
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 9: say his name, Like I don't think the D tripleC
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 9: needs to endorse me. Like, fine, it's democracy. You know
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 9: you can say the names of these challengers. It's it's
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 9: not heresy or something. But literally, I get angry tests
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 9: if I like retweet a person who may be running
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 9: against an incumbent. But that is a lot of incumbents.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 9: I mean the amount of people who are running against
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 9: the incumbents on on platforms. And in some cases I've endorsed.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 9: In other cases I've just uplifted them because I feel
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 9: like they deserve a fair hearing. But I think you're
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 9: going to see a new new Congress which has a
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 9: lot more energy in twenty twenty six.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: How do you make that decision who you endorse? What's
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: your process?
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 9: Used to just be by gut And then you know
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 9: that I had that infamous dual endorsement of Aos and
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 9: Joe Browley or something.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: You know, I endorse j Thinker with that cross us.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 9: So we now have a group of two, three, four
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 9: of us. Elizabeth on my team does a great job.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 9: And uh, you know, she's always pushing. She wants me
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 9: to endorse every challenge, and so you know, I try to,
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 9: uh to to look at where I can make a difference.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 9: Uh be bold out there. I don't. I mean I
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 9: looked less about are they gonna win? But more are
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 9: they running on the values they care about and running
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 9: a viable campaign? So are they actually gonna put in
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 9: a great campaign? Uh? And you know, there are a
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 9: couple of cases where I've endorsed against incumbents, but that's
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 9: always hard. It's uh it's hard when you have uh
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 9: an incoming in the house that that people are running again.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 9: So I but I've I've done it a few times.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 5: We had races. I'll go for it Ryan real quick.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 4: We had Chuck Park on the show earlier, who's hasn't
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 4: raised a whole lot of money, and it's running against
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 4: Grace meng who has a lot of money but hasn't
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 4: been like you know most outs, like outspoken or outstanding
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 4: kind of member.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 5: Have you followed that race at all?
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 9: I haven't. And and Kendrick and I've had a good
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 9: relationship with Grace on the issues of Asian American and
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 9: the China Committee though. I mean I thought that the
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 9: China Committee was way too hawkish a few years ago,
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 9: sort of almost getting us into a Cold War, and
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 9: Grace has been helpful and toning that committee down. So
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 9: I know her of a working relations with her. I
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 9: don't know the race though, and I don't know this person.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 9: And if he's running on a Bold platform, you.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 5: Can watch our episode. Yeah.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: Well, speaking of races, you are the congressman from California.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 3: There is a California governor's race occurring right now. We
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: haven't done a ton of coverage yet about it, but
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: there does seem to be these top three candidates that
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: are orbiting around the top spot. We have this British guy,
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: Steve Hilton, who seems to be the Republican in Australia.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 3: It's Australian.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, he was British because.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: It sounds like he's working on the Death Star. So
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 3: British whatever, some sort of accent. There doesn't not a
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 3: Californian accent I'm familiar with. And then we also have
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 3: Tom Steyer, the Bernie Brow billionaire, and Gavin Newsom's choice
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 3: this Javier Besarah Gentleman, maybe you.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 5: Could give us your your thoughts in those top three.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 9: Well, I endorsed Tom Star early. I adorsed him for
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 9: a few reasons. He's for single pair that never got
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 9: done even though it was supposed to. Everyone ran on
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 9: it in twenty sixteen and eighteen in California. I endorsed
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 9: him because he is for a billionaire tax. Can you
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 9: imagine that on a debate stage. I thought it was
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 9: hilarious the one billionaire is for the billionaire tax and
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 9: the others are not for the billionaire. I mean, I was,
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 9: who's ad lots of these people just they're sure politics?
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 9: And then I've endorsed him because I don't know if
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 9: he's said genocide, but he's certainly been clear that there
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 9: shouldn't be more aid to Israel. And then what happened
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 9: is a human rights Fyles showman. I've called it a genocide,
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 9: and but don't I don't know if he's used that language,
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 9: but I feel like he's the best on that issue
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 9: in the In the field, Besseara is just sort of
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 9: getting money from big oil. I mean he's actually out
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 9: there talking about uh Chevron. He refuses to say before
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 9: single parents. It's just the status quo.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 5: That's it.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 9: The race is tightened. The biggest drawback is Star hasn't
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 9: been elected to anything. People don't like that he's spending
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 9: his own money. And I do think, just philosophically, while
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 9: I support Star, I do think there should be contribution
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 9: limits on what individuals can spend for their own campaigns,
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 9: like fine, you're billing your great run, but like only
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 9: spend seven thousand dollars and raise money. And that's my
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 9: own view and getting rid of super PACs and getting
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 9: rid of money in politics. So hopefully he overcomes that
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 9: and I'm going to be out there for him.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 3: All right, Well, unless we have anything else, I think
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: that we'll do it for this, uh interview. Row thank
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: you so much as always for coming on anything else
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 3: you need to promote.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 9: Now that there's a long one, it's good.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 5: All right, we'll let you go. We'll see you soon. Congressman,
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 5: thank you.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 9: So much, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank care.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah bye bye. Okay, that's going to do it for
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 5: our Friday show. No AMA this week.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 3: Unfortunately, because we ran long, so story your questions, we
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 3: will answer an extra amount next week. We have some
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 3: exciting things going on behind the scenes that we've been
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 3: working on that we are not going to tell you
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 3: about right now, but we'll be telling you about very soon,
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 3: so prepare for.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 5: It's a mean point, that's right.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: Damn, Emily, Why you gotta skill the beans. I can't
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: hold it in to tell this girl anything. Next time
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  Speaker 2: we've got Row, we should we should make him do
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  Speaker 2: the AMA. We should subject to him to random adience questions.
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  Speaker 4: Good idea, fun, that'll be fine.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm with I'm withholding a lot of the behind
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  Speaker 3: the scenes news from Ryan because he will just blurt
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  Speaker 3: it out on the show. And I'm about I need
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  Speaker 3: some level of message control.
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  Speaker 5: No, not unless he.
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  Speaker 8: Wants to do something about it. That's the weapon Ryan wields.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, yeah, I'm not blurting for the sake of blurting.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so I'm keeping Ryan in the dark.
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  Speaker 3: But I hope to illuminate everyone on some exciting new
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  Speaker 3: stuff we'reorking on behind the scenes. That's it for this
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  Speaker 3: Friday show, Ryan, check out drop site News, check out
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  Speaker 3: after Party with Emily Joshinsky. Check out Crystal Kyle and
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: Friends for an exciting Ashley Saint Clair interview that went
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: down this week, and we will see.
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  Speaker 8: That really quickly.
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  Speaker 5: Chose it up.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: Tune in to find out who told Ashley Saint Clair
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  Speaker 2: in the Trump administration that she needs to get her
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  Speaker 2: boobs done. Make your now, these are the sort of
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: beauty like standards that were being pushed upon her. Right,
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, Oh Jesus Christ, he would be a
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: likely so's wife. Anyway, she talks a lot about about
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: that shed there was. There's a lot there. She talks
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: about her time working for Benny Johnson. You can imagine
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: the sort of questions that get asked and answer there. So, Yeah, she's, uh,
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: she's she's I'm not gonna say she's filling all the tea.
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  Speaker 2: There are certain areas with regard to Elon where she
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: still can't go. But we got into a lot. I
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  Speaker 2: think people will enjoy it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I know it wasn't Benny Johnson asking for the
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  Speaker 3: Breaston plans.
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  Speaker 5: I'll say that much. I don't think he's a boob
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  Speaker 5: or a butt guy, to be honest with you.
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  Speaker 2: It was Brian.
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  Speaker 6: All right.
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  Speaker 3: Well that's what you can look forward to you on
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  Speaker 3: Crystal Colin Friends, Plenty of content to fill your weekend,
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  Speaker 3: and we'll see you all here on Monday.
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  Speaker 5: Goodbye,