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Speaker 1: This is the report might tonight a new trillion dollar
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Speaker 1: debt and the government's fake excuses. Plus Prince Harry says
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Speaker 1: he is going back to Britain will say why Also
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Speaker 1: tonight Malcolm Turnbull team's up with Chris Bone to prove
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Speaker 1: me and other skeptics wrong, but just proves what fools
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Speaker 1: they really are.
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Speaker 2: And our race.
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Speaker 1: Commissioner, race discrimination Commissioner turns out to be too much
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Speaker 1: even for the Albanize government which hired him. And it's
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Speaker 1: back whiskey with a mate for one night only and
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Speaker 1: for a very special whiskey right over here. First, this
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Speaker 1: disgraceful labor government that has destroyed Victoria today finally announced
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Speaker 1: the Royal Commissioner to quite possibly the biggest corruption scandal
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Speaker 1: industry political history, measured by dollars.
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Speaker 2: And this could.
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Speaker 1: Really come to hurt the Albanese government as well. We're
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Speaker 1: talking about possibly fifteen billion with a b billion dollars
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Speaker 1: stolen by corrupt union bosses and gainsters from the Victorian
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Speaker 1: government's massive construction projects called the Big Build. Although I
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Speaker 1: knew Premier Ben Carroll, I couldn't believe what I was
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Speaker 1: looking at. He painted it more like this was a
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Speaker 1: Royal Commission into sexism. I mean it was bizarre.
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Speaker 3: There was grift, there was thuggery, there was misogyny, and
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Speaker 3: there was violence on taxpayer funded correction stocks, on taxpayer
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Speaker 3: funded corruption construction sites.
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Speaker 1: A misogyny as well. Actually, he emphasized that when he
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Speaker 1: had another go, wasn't just a slip. You see again
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Speaker 1: he seemed to suggest this is a Royal commission into misogynists.
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Speaker 3: I am not proud of what has occurred on these sites. Sexism, misogyny, violence, thuggery.
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Speaker 1: Sexism as well. The Premier seems scared of even mentioning
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Speaker 1: the word corruption. Maybe labor really does think, you know,
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Speaker 1: sexism is a far greater chrime than stealing fifteen billion dollars.
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Speaker 4: He said there was group thuggery and misogyny on taxpayer
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Speaker 4: construction sites.
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Speaker 5: Will you say that there was corruption on those sites?
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Speaker 3: It is very clear that the unacceptable behavior, the misogyny,
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Speaker 3: the sexism and the violence. We need to shine a
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Speaker 3: light on what's occurred on these sites and get to
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Speaker 3: the bottom of it.
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Speaker 1: Misogyny, sexism, We need a Royal commission corruption own well, look,
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Speaker 1: it was mad and only when Carol was asked for
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Speaker 1: the fourth time. It might have been the fifth actually
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Speaker 1: that he did mention corruption, but said, you know that
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Speaker 1: would be for the Royal Commissioner to decide.
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Speaker 6: And the corruption, the misogyny, the sexism and the.
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Speaker 3: Corruption, everything that has been aired, I'm so not proud of.
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Speaker 2: Incredible.
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Speaker 1: I mean this probably tells you something about how reluctant
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Speaker 1: Labor has been to face up to this massive corruption.
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Speaker 1: Although this new premier said he was the new direction,
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Speaker 1: the new broom, new moral standard, he was calling this
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Speaker 1: Royal Commission the former Premier de cinter Allen for tooth
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Speaker 1: and nail against anywade clear it would investigate everything, unions, crooks, politicians,
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Speaker 1: the lot, which is great. But why did Carol not
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Speaker 1: once in his years as minister. And then there's even
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Speaker 1: Deputy Premier Toges center Ala not once called for this
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Speaker 1: Royal Commissioner today said was imperative to that, he had
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Speaker 1: no answer. Can you tell victorians whether you push to
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Speaker 1: this before you took this job.
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Speaker 3: I can tell victorians that under my leadership, integrity is
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Speaker 3: non negotiable.
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Speaker 2: That'll be clear.
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Speaker 1: Labour would never have all this Royal Commission if its
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Speaker 1: polls weren't shocking with voters accusing it of turning a blind
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Speaker 1: eye to the greatest theft of public money in our history.
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Speaker 1: Not to be fair, this Royal Commission does not seem
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Speaker 1: to be limited.
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Speaker 2: Give Carol credit for that. He said.
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Speaker 1: The Royal Commissioner could call even former Labor Premiers Daniel Andrews,
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Speaker 1: and of course Justina Allen, who, by the way, even
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Speaker 1: before she was Premier, was the minister in charge of
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Speaker 1: this big build.
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Speaker 2: It was that Grifton coruption.
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Speaker 1: Does it not follow the minister responsible and former premier.
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Speaker 2: Is responsible.
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Speaker 3: This is now an independent Royal Commission with the strongest,
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Speaker 3: broadest terms of reference. Nobody and no one rightly is
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Speaker 3: off limits.
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Speaker 1: There's women behind him nodding in those little toy dogs
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Speaker 1: in the back of an old car. They would have
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Speaker 1: nodded along to central Allen saying we don't need a
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Speaker 1: Royal commiss In fact, Carol today wouldn't even lift a
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Speaker 1: finger in defense of Allen.
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Speaker 7: Do you think just Into Alan turned a blind eye
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Speaker 7: to these media reporting.
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Speaker 3: We need to make sure that we are curious and
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Speaker 3: not incurious to what's occurred. Everyone's been reading the papers
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Speaker 3: where every single Victorian have been having conversations integrity is
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Speaker 3: non negotiable. It was my first act as Premier and
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Speaker 3: now I'm delivering on that to give Victorians the Royal Commission.
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Speaker 5: They was the former premier curious then.
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Speaker 3: I always have made sure that we need to do
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Speaker 3: what we need to do, and that's what I'm doing today.
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Speaker 1: That is a man washing his hands as the former premier.
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Speaker 1: The Royal Commissioner, by the way, is Christopher Caracas, the
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Speaker 1: former labor appointed Chief Justice of South Australia. The government
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Speaker 1: will back him up with a new special investigator to
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Speaker 1: charge any crooks for this commission identifies. Now we had
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Speaker 1: the Albertizi government today saying it welcomed this Royal Commission
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Speaker 1: that it too had never called for before.
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Speaker 8: We welcomed this Royal Commission and the scrutiny that it
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Speaker 8: will provide on expenditure and Victoria in these areas. We
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Speaker 8: want to make sure that tax payer money is spent
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Speaker 8: well and we will not tolerate any criminal behavior on
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Speaker 8: work sites.
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Speaker 1: Lovely words, Andrew, But the Albertizi government, you know you
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Speaker 1: heard it. It welcomes this Royal Commission. Why didn't it
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Speaker 1: call for it before? Why did it In the meantime,
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Speaker 1: commit thirty billion dollars of its own money, sorry, of
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Speaker 1: your money, federal money to Victoria's big bill, including four
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Speaker 1: billion dollars of the Albani that Albertizi himself promised to
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Speaker 1: last May.
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Speaker 2: Why was the Prime minister?
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Speaker 1: So we go back then to trust the Victorian government's
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Speaker 1: ridiculous assurances that our money would not be stolen.
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Speaker 7: Here we are in June with new evidence of the
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Speaker 7: involvement of organized crime in state infrastructure project. So if
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Speaker 7: I could come back to my question, Prime Minister, have
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Speaker 7: you sought assurances from the Victorian premiere that no federal
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Speaker 7: funds will end up in the pockets of organized crime?
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Speaker 9: Well, of course, and the Premier has made her position
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Speaker 9: very clear as well of her opposition to any corruption
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Speaker 9: which is there to appropriate their authorities take action.
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Speaker 1: Unbelievable, So al been easy. Meanwhile, kept throwing your money
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Speaker 1: into that cesspit and only to data. Does this government
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Speaker 1: of his say, well or Disroyal Commission, it's a good idea,
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Speaker 1: that's how lightly these guys spend your money. Let's hope
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Speaker 1: the Royal Commission looks into that as well, because this
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Speaker 1: whole scandal stinks to high heaven and today another terrible
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Speaker 1: reminder of how badly this country is led. The federal
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Speaker 1: debt gross debt just hit one trillion dollars. That's one
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Speaker 1: thousand billion dollars of debt, a record, obviously, and I'm
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Speaker 1: just judged by this. That means the interest that we
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Speaker 1: have to pay on that debt now every minute, every
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Speaker 1: minute is fifty two thousand dollars. So from the start
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Speaker 1: of this show to the end of it, there'll be
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Speaker 1: three million dollars more in interest. The opposition leader went
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Speaker 1: for the government today, but the Prime Minister trotted out
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Speaker 1: excuses that will fact check in a second.
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Speaker 10: Under Labor, Australians have suffered lower real wages, higher unemployment,
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Speaker 10: fifteen interest rate rises, a housing market smashed, all time
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Speaker 10: record business insolvencies, record levels of immigration, and today are
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Speaker 10: thrillion dollars of debt. Prime Minister. How much is Labour's
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Speaker 10: debt costing Australians every minute?
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Speaker 9: Fact one The former government in which the leader of
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Speaker 9: the opposition served as a send your minister, more than
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Speaker 9: double the debt before the pandemic.
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Speaker 5: Fact two.
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Speaker 9: When I came to office in two thoyd and twenty two,
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Speaker 9: which I'm responsible for the period since then, the budget
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Speaker 9: was in deficit to the tune of seventy eight billion dollars,
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Speaker 9: with no surfers projected at any time before two thousand
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Speaker 9: and sixty sixty one.
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Speaker 1: It's true that the Liberals also went mad with spending,
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Speaker 1: although it also inherited debt from parce labor governments.
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Speaker 2: But it did, it did.
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Speaker 1: But I have to say this government went in even harder,
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Speaker 1: and the economic hits now keep coming. Today unemployment went up.
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Speaker 1: How badly is this country being led by this Albany's
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Speaker 1: the government? Well look at what's probably I drag this out,
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Speaker 1: what would be the sixth most important tests of good
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Speaker 1: economic management GDP growth that's obviously there.
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Speaker 2: Well, this government fails.
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Speaker 1: Growth is to point five percent a year, historically low,
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Speaker 1: and almost all of that growth is due to massive
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Speaker 1: mass migration per person. We're actually getting poorer unemployment. I'll
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Speaker 1: give the government a pass, even though unemployment did rise today.
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Speaker 1: Inflation though fail obviously far too high. Why is public
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Speaker 1: spending fail again? The waste, the dudgreen schemes, the corruption
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Speaker 1: in the ndis, the handouts. This year scale of this spending.
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Speaker 1: Economic confidence fail again. Business confidence is low, so it's
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Speaker 1: consumer confidence. So the government reports card really is one
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Speaker 1: B and five f's. That's a huge fail. Joining me
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Speaker 1: is News twenty four Business editor Ross Green. Would I
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Speaker 1: have spoke to him a short while ago, Ross Green
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Speaker 1: would love you to see you a trillion dollar gross debt?
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Speaker 1: Why have we managed to rack that up? And does
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Speaker 1: it matter?
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Speaker 11: Well, it's really the consequence of governments over a long
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Speaker 11: period of time. Because let's take ourselves back twenty years,
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Speaker 11: shall we to two thousand and and that was Australia
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Speaker 11: had a debt free day in April that year. Treasure,
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Speaker 11: repeating Costello then announced it zero Australian net debt at
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Speaker 11: the time. Fast forward twenty years, one trillion, one thousand
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Speaker 11: billion dollars worth of debt. And the fact of the
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Speaker 11: matter is, is Australia a better country for it? Have
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Speaker 11: we invested in things that make our economy grow faster,
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Speaker 11: make us more robust?
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Speaker 12: Probably not, I'd have to say.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 12: The reality is we're all wealthier.
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Speaker 11: But the fact of the matter is, at some point
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Speaker 11: in the future the next generation are going to have
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Speaker 11: to either pay this debt off or control it, or
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Speaker 11: find ways to make our economy grow faster to be
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Speaker 11: able to manage it, otherwise they are going to eventually
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Speaker 11: be overburdened by the level of the debt that's been accumulated.
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Speaker 2: It seems very greedy.
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Speaker 1: It seems to be to keep this generation in luxury
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Speaker 1: that the next generation won't be able to become accustomed
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Speaker 1: to because they've got to pay for it. I played
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Speaker 1: some of the Prime Minister's excuses today and the Treasurer
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Speaker 1: added to them. It's explaining why it's not his fault.
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Speaker 13: Here is most of Australia's gross debt today was racked
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Speaker 13: up between twenty and thirteen and twenty twenty two by
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Speaker 13: Day's officer. In fact, gross debt is two hundred billion
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Speaker 13: dollars lower this year than the trajectory that we inherited.
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Speaker 2: Now already.
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking this, there's something a bit dishonest about that,
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Speaker 1: because a lot of that spending was caused by trying
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Speaker 1: to prop up the economy during the COVID lockdowns with
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Speaker 1: Labour saying you've got to spend even more, even more,
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Speaker 1: even more. But is it true that most of the
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Speaker 1: debt is liberal debt?
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Speaker 11: Look, the reality is most of it is COVID debt now,
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Speaker 11: regardless of which way you wind that up, it is
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Speaker 11: COVID debt. But the fact of the matter is it's high,
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Speaker 11: highly selective, and if a labor government had been.
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Speaker 12: In power in that time, they would have done it.
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Speaker 11: Also where Jim Charmers is also selective is in saying
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Speaker 11: since he came to power. But of course had the
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Speaker 11: Coalition been in power at that time, they too.
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Speaker 12: Would not have stood still.
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Speaker 11: They would have done things that would have changed the
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Speaker 11: nature of Australia's economy. Now, the interesting side is that
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Speaker 11: since it's been in power, there's been an uplift in
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Speaker 11: the past four years of about four hundred billion dollars
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Speaker 11: in the amount of revenue that's come through, which is
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Speaker 11: largely because you've had record low unemployment rates so people
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Speaker 11: have been paying it.
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Speaker 12: You've had a mining boom in that period of time, and.
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Speaker 11: So really, in many ways, the fact is that the
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Speaker 11: debt has risen during this period of time, notwithstanding the
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Speaker 11: enormous amount of money that the government had coming through
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Speaker 11: the door.
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Speaker 12: Now, had they been a bit smarter in the way
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Speaker 12: in which.
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Speaker 11: They'd spent it, Australia's budget would still be in surplus,
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Speaker 11: the debt would still be under a trillion dollars and
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Speaker 11: the fact is it's all about the percentage versus our GDP.
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Speaker 11: Can we manage it and all that sort of stuff,
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Speaker 11: and we can for the time being, but it's the
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Speaker 11: trajectory of the debt and the impult of that interest
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Speaker 11: burden on our community taxpayers. That really is the burden
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Speaker 11: that the future generations will carry.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and let's not forget too that the Liberal government
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Speaker 1: in turn inherited debt from the Rudd and Gillard labor government.
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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of blame to go around, and
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Speaker 1: Labour's got to take a fair share, particularly after four
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Speaker 1: years of labor government. I just gave that government one
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Speaker 1: out of six on six key measures of economic management.
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Speaker 2: What would you score it?
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Speaker 12: Ah, Look, seriously, it can't be that high.
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Speaker 11: The reason for that is a productivity has gone backwards.
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Speaker 11: Now it's not just under this government it's gone backwards.
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Speaker 11: But really, despite having had summits and had conversations about it,
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Speaker 11: the government has done nothing that has been remarkable to
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Speaker 11: be able to improve productivity. In fact, many of its
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Speaker 11: policies have taken productivity at Australia's competitiveness.
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Speaker 12: In a global world backwards.
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Speaker 11: Energy prices, industrial relations, policies. All of these things have
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Speaker 11: basically become retrograde for Australia and not made Australia more
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Speaker 11: competitive on a global basis. So as a result, Australian
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Speaker 11: companies that have capital, many of them are global companies,
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Speaker 11: they're picking up that capital and going to America, where
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Speaker 11: productivity is better, where the earnings are better, where you
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Speaker 11: get a better bang for your buck. The second thing
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Speaker 11: is you got companies that won't invest in Australia because
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Speaker 11: they see that it takes too long to get projects approved,
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Speaker 11: that if they do that, they'll ultimately spend more intact
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Speaker 11: to this government than what they will in other parts
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Speaker 11: of the world, that their energy prices are too high,
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Speaker 11: and as a result of that they suddenly find the
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Speaker 11: economics of their projects are not as viable as they
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Speaker 11: should be. So these are the things that could change
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Speaker 11: the way in which Australia's productivity outcome is. And the
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Speaker 11: problem of poor productivity is higher interest rates for longer
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Speaker 11: and therefore the Reserve Bank has got little choice but
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Speaker 11: to raise interest rates or to keep them higher, which
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Speaker 11: is an impol on Australian families.
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Speaker 12: And the issue there is you might have a job.
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Speaker 11: But your standard of living is going backwards because GDP
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Speaker 11: per person has gone backwards for the best part of
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Speaker 11: three years now.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how you could give them anything better.
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Speaker 1: Fail then and exactly what you've just said. I mean,
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Speaker 1: Gina ran out the in australis Richards Purss have worn
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Speaker 1: for years that if governments didn't cut red tape and taxes,
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Speaker 1: their businesses would increasingly invest overseas. They didn't, and she did,
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Speaker 1: So there you go. Ross Green would thank you very
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Speaker 1: much for your time.
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Speaker 12: Quite okay.
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Speaker 1: A lot of people hope that the Bondou massacre would
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Speaker 1: cause such a shock that this country would come to
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Speaker 1: its senses, the due hatred would end, and the Albanize
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Speaker 1: government would stop stoking it with its ridiculous, reckless attacks
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Speaker 1: on Israel. But no, you look today Foreign Minister Penny Wong,
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Speaker 1: one of the government's most virulent anti Israel ministers. She
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Speaker 1: today went ballistic at Israel for now deciding not to
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Speaker 1: open a criminal investigation into its strike on an AID
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Speaker 1: vehicle in Gaza two years ago that killed the Strain
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Speaker 1: AID worker Soommy Frankom and six of her colleagues from
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Speaker 1: World Central Kitchen One's Mallets may be judge by the
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Speaker 1: fact she implied Israel deliberately or knowingly released this news
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Speaker 1: on World Humanitarian Day.
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Speaker 14: Australia is outraged by the Israeli government's decision to not
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Speaker 14: pursue any criminal proceedings against those responsible for killing Zomie
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Speaker 14: Frankcom and her World Central Kitchen colleagues, and we do
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Speaker 14: not have confidence in the IDF's Military Advocate General's process
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Speaker 14: given them many unanswered questions. Australian government will continue to
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Speaker 14: keep pressing is raele for justice for Zombie and her colleagues,
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Speaker 14: and we will consult with Zomie Frankcom's family before we
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Speaker 14: announce further steps.
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Speaker 1: So once the punishes are oil as well. One suggests
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Speaker 1: that Israel was covering up despite having punished the officers involved.
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Speaker 14: The Australian government does not believe that the removal of
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Speaker 14: two officers from their positions and three officers being reprimanded
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Speaker 14: is sufficient accountability for the deaths of seven people, including
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Speaker 14: an Australian citizen.
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Speaker 2: One was really implacable.
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Speaker 1: I think she was playing to the left ear She
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Speaker 1: today made Israel's ambassador come to her for a public
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Speaker 1: dressing down so that he would have to do a
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Speaker 1: perp walk in front of the cameras. But missing from
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Speaker 1: her outrage today at Israel is context. Israel struck on
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Speaker 1: the DAID convo was indeed a terrible, terrible tragedy and
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Speaker 1: a terrible, terrible mistake, but a mistake, which is why
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Speaker 1: it won't now be investigated as a possible crime, unlike
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Speaker 1: two other cases. Note to pennywe to other cases. Israel
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Speaker 1: also yesterday raise the killing of five year old honed
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Speaker 1: Raojab and her family plus two paramedics trying to save them,
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Speaker 1: a shocking case, plus the shooting of rescue workers two
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Speaker 1: years ago that had discussed on the show. Those will
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Speaker 1: be criminally investigated. So there's clearly no cover up there.
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Speaker 1: And Wong should know that Israel was almost certainly not
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Speaker 1: covering up some crime, a crime in the Frankum case,
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Speaker 1: because her own special envoy that she sent to Israel
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Speaker 1: told her that Mark Binskin, former head of Australian of
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Speaker 1: the Australian Defense Force, saw for himself on the ground
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Speaker 1: and he reported to Wong. It is my assessment that
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Speaker 1: the Israeli struck in the world's central kitchen aid workers
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Speaker 1: was not knowingly or deliberately directed against the w c K,
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Speaker 1: the AID group. The IDF acted in a timely manner
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Speaker 1: to conduct an initial investigation, make those findings public and
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Speaker 1: hold those responsible to account. And here's the reason why
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Speaker 1: he and Israel have thought that was an accident, fog
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Speaker 1: of war, blah blah, no crime. The fact is that
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Speaker 1: Israel has seen other cases of a mass terrorists like
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Speaker 1: these ones. It's filmed that are now showing you using
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Speaker 1: vehicles of AID groups or in this case, a vehicle
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Speaker 1: it dressed up as a World Central Kitchen card, the
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Speaker 1: logo on the roof. Now, in the Frankom case, Israeli
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Speaker 1: officers again saw an armed man get into the car,
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Speaker 1: which then deviated. It drove off the approved route, a
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Speaker 1: route approved by the Israeli Army. And when the IDF
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Speaker 1: then contacted the World's Central Kitchen, say why is the
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Speaker 1: car going there?
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Speaker 2: Not here?
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Speaker 1: It got no response. It says it assumed the worst
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Speaker 1: and fired, but without getting proper permissions, without making the
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Speaker 1: better checks it should have made, like I say, a
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Speaker 1: shocking mistake and punished. But is that really a crime, Well,
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Speaker 1: to me, it's only a crime in the eyes of
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Speaker 1: someone who hastes around so much that any mistake is
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Speaker 1: seen as the most evil intent. Wong is a zealout
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Speaker 1: and once again whipping up some dangerous hatred. Joining me
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Speaker 1: is someone I asked on to actually discuss a new
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Speaker 1: book on the Bondai massacre. It's called Bondai Terror Tragedy
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Speaker 1: Courage After Month, co written by Alex Rifchin. She's, of
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Speaker 1: course my colleague Sharry Marx and Sharry great to see
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Speaker 1: you again. I'm amazing you've got the time with his
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Speaker 1: show coming on straight after mine. But I have to
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Speaker 1: ask you first about Penny Wong's response today because to
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Speaker 1: me it seemed very political, very inflammatory, out of proportion.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the tragedy was great, but Woe is very
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Speaker 1: wrong in my opinions, to suggest it was criminal.
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Speaker 15: Absolutely, her language today was reckless and inflam try and
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Speaker 15: as the Foreign Minister, she should know better. Andrew no
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Speaker 15: less than the ASIO Director General Mike Burgess has been
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Speaker 15: warning politicians to be careful of their language. This should
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Speaker 15: be even greater. She has an even greater responsibility to
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Speaker 15: watch her words after the bond Eyed terror attack, because
22:19
Speaker 15: we know where hatred of Israel hatred of Zionists and
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Speaker 15: by extension of Jews can lead and that is to
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Speaker 15: people being killed at Bondai Beach. And yet today we
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Speaker 15: saw Penny Wong blame the Israeli government for the fact
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Speaker 15: that no criminal charges were pursued in this case against
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Speaker 15: this AID envoy. But it had nothing to do with
22:42
Speaker 15: the Israeli government, as she well knows. You know, the
22:44
Speaker 15: Albanesi government can't recommend criminal charges against anyone in Australia,
22:49
Speaker 15: and nor can the Israeli government. This is up to
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Speaker 15: an independent military judicial body which examined the case, found
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Speaker 15: it was an accident, found there was no criminal case.
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Speaker 15: And yet her language today deliberately blamed the Israeli government
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Speaker 15: and increased the chance quite frankly, of anti Semitic attacks
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Speaker 15: against Australian Jews, because we know that this is the pattern,
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Speaker 15: this has been the pattern over the past three years.
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Speaker 15: I don't know how she could have, in all good
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Speaker 15: conscience stood up there and made those comments.
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Speaker 2: Well, I kin'd of do.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is a foreign minister, as you know,
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Speaker 1: refused to go to any of the year October seven
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Speaker 1: massacre sights on a visit to israel I. Mean, I
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Speaker 1: thought it was outrageous it would have taken her half
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Speaker 1: an hour tops to get there, as.
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Speaker 2: She could have done it.
23:35
Speaker 1: Like I didn't see for herself what sort of horror
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Speaker 1: was perpetrated. That was just disgusting your book. I mean,
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Speaker 1: like I just suggested before, you were really so busy.
23:47
Speaker 1: You got your show, you got your newspaper writing, you're
23:49
Speaker 1: a young mother.
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Speaker 2: I don't know how you do it all.
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Speaker 1: But then you seem driven to, on top of all that,
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Speaker 1: write this book on the Bondeai massacre.
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Speaker 15: Why look for a couple of reasons, Andrew, I think
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Speaker 15: right after the terror attack, I mean, as you know,
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Speaker 15: I was there on the night. I was the first
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Speaker 15: journalist at the side of the massacre, interviewing people as
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Speaker 15: they came off the crime scene, you know, with blood
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Speaker 15: all over their clothes, with the most horrific stories. And
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Speaker 15: in the weeks that followed, you know, there were so
24:20
Speaker 15: many unbelievable stories. You have to remember that there were
24:22
Speaker 15: fifty five people shot at Bondi. Fifty five shot. A
24:27
Speaker 15: lot of people focus on the fact that fifteen were killed,
24:30
Speaker 15: but fifty five were shot. Everyone had a story to
24:33
Speaker 15: tell and they were just it was going to get lost,
24:35
Speaker 15: It was going to at risk of disappearing from our history.
24:38
Speaker 15: This needed to be properly recorded what happened here. This
24:42
Speaker 15: isn't just about the Australian Jewish community. This is about
24:45
Speaker 15: making our country safe. I mean, it's got to the point,
24:48
Speaker 15: particularly over the past few years under the Albanzi government,
24:52
Speaker 15: it has got to the point where it wasn't safe
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Speaker 15: to celebrate the first night of Khannaka at Australia's most
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Speaker 15: famous beach in raw daylight, perfect summer's day. We need
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Speaker 15: to course correct. I mean, Andrew in a sense, imagine
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Speaker 15: if I was a journalist in nineteen thirties Europe when
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Speaker 15: anti Semitism was rising, Imagine if I didn't do everything
25:12
Speaker 15: I possibly could. And so I reached out to Alex
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Speaker 15: Ripchin because he's been an incredible leader of our community
25:20
Speaker 15: and particularly I wanted his vision for the way forward
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Speaker 15: out of this crisis. And so together we wrote this
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Speaker 15: book and for it, We've also interviewed former Prime Minister
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Speaker 15: John Howard, We've interviewed the ASIO Director General Mike Burgess,
25:34
Speaker 15: We've interviewed former Prime Minister Tony Abbott. We've got the
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Speaker 15: best minds to try it come together and say how
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Speaker 15: do we get out of this crisis. So the book's
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Speaker 15: part about the massacre and then part about the way forward.
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Speaker 1: Now you don't just go through what happened on that
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Speaker 1: shocking day. You also talk about the fight to get
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Speaker 1: a Royal commission into antisemmeters. The government didn't want to
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Speaker 1: do it, it was forced to do it. It's done. I've
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Speaker 1: got to Sherry, I am very disappointed by that Royal commission.
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Speaker 2: So far are you?
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Speaker 15: I'm devastated by it. I have to say. I mean, look,
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Speaker 15: we don't want to prejudge it. We have to wait
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Speaker 15: to see the report. You know that has to be said.
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Speaker 15: But so far, I couldn't be more disappointed. You sit
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Speaker 15: there and look at the hearings. The questions seem weak,
26:19
Speaker 15: they seem to lack understanding the people they're choosing to
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Speaker 15: call the fact that they deliberately refuse to call the
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Speaker 15: former Treasurer Josh Friedenberg, the most senior politician in Australia's
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Speaker 15: history who was Jewish, and Josh, more than anyone, has
26:34
Speaker 15: laid out the pathway out of this. We saw that
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Speaker 15: in his speech at Bondai on Wednesday, December seventeenth. He
26:41
Speaker 15: needs to be called not only for his lived experience,
26:44
Speaker 15: but for his ideas about how to get out of
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Speaker 15: this crisis. I mean, Andrew, take Jennifer Westercott, the single
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Speaker 15: figure in the tertiary education sector who knows how to
26:53
Speaker 15: deal with this, who knows how to deal with our
26:55
Speaker 15: decemitism among students. She wasn't called no verparis. I mean,
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Speaker 15: there are so many people. And then again it's like
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Speaker 15: they don't want to offend anyone, this royal Commission, so
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Speaker 15: they're not calling any of any of the alleged perpetrators
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Speaker 15: of offensive behavior. They're not calling them to the stand
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Speaker 15: and asking questions of them. In fact, the only time
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Speaker 15: you know, we saw lawyers for the pro Palestinian groups,
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Speaker 15: as you know, was when they grilled Jewish leader David Ossip.
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Speaker 1: They haven't called any hate preachers. They haven't had a
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Speaker 1: really forensic look at the teachings of the Qur'an. Because
27:29
Speaker 1: you know, there's this Islamic state flag allegedly found at
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Speaker 1: the site. I mean, you've got to quiz the faith
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Speaker 1: that might.
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Speaker 2: Have been involved that.
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Speaker 1: In a Sherry markson how to wood your book quickly,
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Speaker 1: I'm out of time.
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Speaker 15: I better give you appreciate that that just just on
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Speaker 15: Amazon or book Topian. And you know, our community really
27:48
Speaker 15: appreciates everyone's support and yours in particular.
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Speaker 1: Andrew, thank you, Cherry, always great to talk to you.
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Speaker 2: In great job.
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Speaker 1: Sherry markson after the break, Prince Harry says, this is
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Speaker 1: moving back home to Britain.
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Speaker 2: But why.
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Speaker 1: Six years since Prince Harry announced that he and wife
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Speaker 1: Mega Markel, we're leaving Britain to get some privacy and
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Speaker 1: to be frank, to make some serious money.
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Speaker 6: Our hope was to continue serving the Queen, the Commonwealth
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Speaker 6: and my military associations, but without public funding.
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Speaker 5: Unfortunately that wasn't possible.
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Speaker 1: But now Harry's made known through stories in several British
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Speaker 1: papers that is coming home, that is part time, and
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Speaker 1: his children will go to British schools. And this comes
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Speaker 1: after talks with the King joining me from London.
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Speaker 2: Is our Thursday?
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Speaker 1: Regular commentators started gb News host Patrick Christie's Patrick, the
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Speaker 1: question is why.
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Speaker 16: Ask the question we all want the answer to, isn't it?
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Speaker 16: It was a shock for Britain. I imagine it was
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Speaker 16: also an incredible shock for the royal family because supposedly
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Speaker 16: the King was only told about this on Sunday, despite
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Speaker 16: having actually seen Prince Harry about a month ago. Goodness
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Speaker 16: only knows what Prince William is thinking about all of
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Speaker 16: this at the moment. Nobody's actually asked Britain if we
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Speaker 16: want them back. We talk a lot about unwanted immigration
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Speaker 16: into our country at the moment and this appears to
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Speaker 16: potentially be more of the same. The cynic in me
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Speaker 16: would say that this is potentially something for tax purposes.
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Speaker 5: Six full tax years.
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Speaker 16: In America and you can avoid paying millions potentially in
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Speaker 16: capital gains tax on UK investments. That's why a boring answer,
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Speaker 16: though the spicier answer is possibly that you know they've
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Speaker 16: failed in America, haven't they really work?
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Speaker 5: Appears to be drying up for them over there. They've
29:38
Speaker 5: been the subject of some pretty extreme ridicule. But look,
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Speaker 5: the word on the street here.
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Speaker 16: Is everyone's very skeptical about how much time they'll actually
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Speaker 16: be spending together. Because there are reports in the American
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Speaker 16: press of Prince Harry having a room reserved for him
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Speaker 16: at a private club when he just wants to get
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Speaker 16: away for a night. Many people here are very skeptical
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Speaker 16: about Mega Mark wanting to spend a huge amount of
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Speaker 16: time in the UK, and that is based on things
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Speaker 16: that she has reportedly said over the years, so you know,
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Speaker 16: she never felt at home in England. She revealed that
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Speaker 16: scrutiny of her over here drove her to the brink
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Speaker 16: of suicide.
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Speaker 5: Apparently.
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Speaker 16: Also, Prince Harry has just had his rear end handed
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Speaker 16: to him in court, hasn't he after he tried to
30:19
Speaker 16: sue the living daylights of the press. So look they
30:22
Speaker 16: it seems like the line is that they want to
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Speaker 16: educate their kids here. But again in twenty twenty two,
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Speaker 16: Megan said that she'd never want to educate her kids
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Speaker 16: here because she wouldn't be able to do the school
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Speaker 16: pick up and drop off without it being a royal
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Speaker 16: photo call. So what is really going on here? You know,
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Speaker 16: is she planning on actually doing that? Has something changed?
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Speaker 1: Well, you raised various oppositions, and there's another element that
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Speaker 1: I think probably might play effect that I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Harry just looked like a fish out of
30:52
Speaker 1: water over in America. He just looked like a British
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Speaker 1: guy that were missed his mates and the miss British
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Speaker 1: and not cut out for the whole showbiz, celebrity Hollywood
31:04
Speaker 1: kind of thing.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, one hundred percent it's not worse. I mean, they
31:08
Speaker 16: were called grifters by the head of Spotify. There's been
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Speaker 16: a lack of interest in their Netflix content beyond mockery. Really,
31:15
Speaker 16: Prince Harry has played second fiddle to a bit part
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Speaker 16: actress who wants to spend her time pretending to make jam,
31:21
Speaker 16: paying people to pretend to be her friends in someone
31:24
Speaker 16: else's kitchen while someone else looks after the kids. And
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Speaker 16: he's kind of been reduced to cameo roles, coming out
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Speaker 16: like a dog who's just chewed through his leash, and
31:32
Speaker 16: you know, admiring the mese that Megan Markle has just prepared.
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Speaker 16: It's not really what he had planned for his life.
31:38
Speaker 16: I don't think, is it. You know, they've had that
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Speaker 16: South Park episode that mercilessly mocked them about their requests
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Speaker 16: for privacy. They were named in twenty twenty three among
31:46
Speaker 16: Hollywood's biggest losers. So it's not really gone to plan.
31:50
Speaker 16: I mean, don't get me wrong, They've probably done incredibly
31:52
Speaker 16: well financially out of it, and I'm not knocking that,
31:55
Speaker 16: but I do wonder if indeed they are coming back together,
31:58
Speaker 16: whether or not. Harry has said, luck, Megan, we've done
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Speaker 16: things your way for a while. I've sacrificed a lot,
32:05
Speaker 16: not least my reputation and popularity to kind of pursue
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Speaker 16: your careers and ambitions.
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Speaker 5: I want to come home now.
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Speaker 16: And the rumors are that they have been sniffing around
32:16
Speaker 16: Cotswold's villages, the same place that the likes of Ellen
32:20
Speaker 16: DeGeneres have been moving to, although apparently she's leaving now
32:24
Speaker 16: because she doesn't like it that much.
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Speaker 5: Maybe they could move her house.
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Speaker 1: No, maybe she's send into a Trump voder after all.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, but I wonder. Look, there was a suggestion, oh,
32:34
Speaker 1: they might be allowed to work as royals again. If
32:37
Speaker 1: I was a royal family, wouldn't let them within a
32:39
Speaker 1: you know, a bull's roar of any royal duties. And
32:43
Speaker 1: with William coming through as the next king, I'm sure
32:46
Speaker 1: he won't either.
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Speaker 2: Do you think they'd.
32:48
Speaker 1: Ever have a chance he'd ever be allowed to work
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Speaker 1: as the royal again? Or sad him just briefing journals
32:54
Speaker 1: about what he'd love.
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Speaker 16: Yep, No, I think absolutely no chance, no chance they'll
32:59
Speaker 16: be allowed to be working royals. There's actually this Sandringham agreement,
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Speaker 16: which was dubbed Mexit, wasn't it at the time, very clear,
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Speaker 16: no half in, no half out role. It looks like
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Speaker 16: they're definitely not going to be living in a Royal
33:11
Speaker 16: residence and they are not going to be working Royals.
33:14
Speaker 16: But you raise a really key point there, which is
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Speaker 16: actually William, Prince William and Kate. Now apparently they haven't
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Speaker 16: spoken for years, between Harry and Meghan and William and Kate.
33:25
Speaker 16: We know that they only informed King Charles on Sunday,
33:29
Speaker 16: so just a few days ago that they were coming back.
33:31
Speaker 16: We understand that William then found out after that. There's
33:34
Speaker 16: been huge, huge, huge controversies here. You know, they've basically
33:38
Speaker 16: accused or allowed other people to accuse the Royal family
33:41
Speaker 16: of being a racist family. We know that they've not
33:45
Speaker 16: spoken to William and Kate for years. They claim that
33:48
Speaker 16: the Commonwealth was like the Empire two point zero, that
33:50
Speaker 16: British society is too cold and too rigid, that Meghan
33:54
Speaker 16: famously mocked the curtsy she had to do when she
33:57
Speaker 16: met the Queen.
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Speaker 5: They hate the racist British.
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Speaker 16: I mean Prince Harry actually did in his book Spare
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Speaker 16: literally accused his brother, the future king, of assaulting him.
34:06
Speaker 16: I mean, you know these are not minor things here
34:09
Speaker 16: and the British public crucially have not forgotten or forgiven
34:13
Speaker 16: how miserable they made the final few moments of our
34:16
Speaker 16: late Queen and Prince Philip's lives and the stress they
34:18
Speaker 16: piled onto William Kate, the King and Queen Camilla during
34:22
Speaker 16: their various different cancer struggles, and the popularity ratings bear
34:26
Speaker 16: that out. Sixty five percent of people in Britain have
34:29
Speaker 16: an unfavorable opinion of Mega Markle, fifty eight percent unfavorable
34:34
Speaker 16: to Prince Harry, whereas William and Kate they are around
34:37
Speaker 16: seventy five percent popular.
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Speaker 5: So look, I think very very unlikely they're going to
34:43
Speaker 5: get any work, even if they wanted it.
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Speaker 1: Petrick Chris is a fascinating story less gossip to come
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Speaker 1: if they do return, Thank you so much. After the breakway,
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Speaker 1: it's some of the Alberdiza governor what the Race Discrimination
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Speaker 1: Commission earth that it.
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Speaker 2: Had to just shout out the problem with.
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Speaker 1: Appointing a race discrimination commissioners. They've got to find racism
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Speaker 1: to prove their needed They've got to find it everywhere,
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Speaker 1: and today we learned that when the Albany's A government
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Speaker 1: appointed Giridharan as siver Raman our new race discrimination commissioner.
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Speaker 1: That have got someone who did find even more racism
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Speaker 1: than even this divisive government would like. Siver Ramanes see
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Speaker 1: so much racism that you wonder why his family dared
35:34
Speaker 1: to come from India to this hellhole, this cess bit.
35:38
Speaker 1: He has, for instance, warned that racism is what you
35:41
Speaker 1: get with so many white people here. Fancy saying we
35:45
Speaker 1: had a white Australia policy. Our positions of power and politics,
35:51
Speaker 1: media and the judiciary are held by white people, and
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Speaker 1: that's the context in which racism is occurring, he said,
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Speaker 1: needs to be understood. The same guy as also said
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Speaker 1: a council moved to make shops have at least some
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Speaker 1: English on their signs was systematic racism at work. And
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Speaker 1: one nation in the coalition he said, we're tapping into
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Speaker 1: a vein of racism by wanting mass immigration slowed. Now
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Speaker 1: it seems this manic racism here, there and everywhere has
36:22
Speaker 1: been too much for at least one senior member of
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Speaker 1: the Albanize government. Given sever Umman's evidence today to the
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Speaker 1: Royal Commission into Anti Semitism.
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Speaker 3: I've had someone say to me in very senior in government,
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Speaker 3: stop talking about racism because you're disrupting the social cohesion.
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Speaker 1: Joining me a sky New's host James for Furson and
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Speaker 1: communications consultant Christi Mthsweeney, who's worked for coalition prime ministers
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Speaker 1: and premiers. James has the penny dropped with the Albanize
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Speaker 1: government that this is actually an anti racism industry that
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Speaker 1: is leaving us more divided and not less.
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Speaker 6: There's no doubt about that. The question is not whether
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Speaker 6: racism exists. Of course, racism exists in Australia as it
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Speaker 6: does everywhere, as it always will, because it's not a
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Speaker 6: matter of systems, it's a matter of the human heart.
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Speaker 6: The question isn't where racism exists, it's how broadly you
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Speaker 6: apply the definition, And as you demonstrated so brilliantly, he
37:19
Speaker 6: applies this definition very broadly systemic racism. Racism is embedded
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Speaker 6: in our systems. If he believes that it raises the
37:27
Speaker 6: question can he be impartial when talking about racism because
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Speaker 6: he begins with a presupposition that racism is the problem,
37:37
Speaker 6: so he doesn't approach any topic on its merits. You
37:41
Speaker 6: mentioned the Strathfield Council wanting businesses to put up English signs.
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Speaker 6: He says that is an example of structural racism.
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Speaker 5: Andrew, you know the.
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Speaker 6: Counselor who proposed that English should be used on businesses.
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Speaker 6: It's Councilor Kim exactly, a South Korean immigrant, and I
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Speaker 6: spoke with her last week, and Andrew, do you know
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Speaker 6: who she told me was opposing her proposal White labor counselors.
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Speaker 6: So you've got a migrant saying let's speak English. She's
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Speaker 6: accused of systemic racism, and the ones opposing English being
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Speaker 6: put up there are white people.
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Speaker 12: So it's just ridiculous.
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Speaker 1: And I'd go for further. Don't forget Counselor King proposed this.
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Speaker 1: So that is because Korean immigrants wanted to assimilate and they.
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Speaker 2: Didn't know what the shops were.
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Speaker 1: Christian Sweeney, I mean, I mean, is it the old
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Speaker 1: story that you know, to every to a hammer, everything's
38:38
Speaker 1: a nail and the labor has got sick of it.
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Speaker 4: Look, I'm not surprised that there are subliminal messages or
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Speaker 4: direct messages to the Racial Discrimination Commissioner from the labor
38:51
Speaker 4: party saying please be quiet. The Racial Discrimination Commissioner is
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Speaker 4: appointed by the Attorney General, and I think they have
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Speaker 4: more of a high profile verbose commissioner on their hands
39:04
Speaker 4: that they anticipated very much. In contrast to the Human
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Speaker 4: Rights Commissioner Loraine Finlay, who does an excellent job and
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Speaker 4: in fact said let's not rush.
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Speaker 5: Hate speech laws.
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Speaker 4: We have to make sure we get them right. So
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Speaker 4: that is a contrast of the two commissioners appointed here.
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Speaker 4: This Racial Discrimination Commissioner has said things about why he
39:30
Speaker 4: questions why we celebrate Australia Day. In this particular speech
39:34
Speaker 4: he made comments saying workers need to join in solidarity,
39:38
Speaker 4: bringing out the old Morris Blackburn playbook. Where are we surprised?
39:44
Speaker 1: You know?
39:45
Speaker 4: He has said some pretty pointed comments here that at
39:49
Speaker 4: a really difficult time, you know, Tony Burke, he's trying
39:52
Speaker 4: to find a slot to get off the bench and
39:55
Speaker 4: redo his or have an opportunity to do his labor.
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Speaker 4: See on cutting. We expect cuts to immigration and I
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Speaker 4: hope the Racial Discrimination Commissioner has some comments about our
40:09
Speaker 4: Lives policy as well.
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Speaker 1: Tony Burke is even tapping into how did he put
40:16
Speaker 1: it a vein of racism? I mean, seriously, climate change
40:21
Speaker 1: The Minutes of Crispo and another global warming zeal at,
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Speaker 1: this one teamed up with former so called liberal Prime
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Speaker 1: Minister Malcolm Turnbull to supposedly embarrass people like me with
40:32
Speaker 1: the most cartoonishly simplistic and ignorant arguments of all.
40:38
Speaker 17: The reasons for acting on climate change. What do you
40:40
Speaker 17: think is it drives us to do more all the time?
40:42
Speaker 18: I mean, we've only got one planet elon Musk hasn't
40:45
Speaker 18: found a new home for us on Mars yet, so
40:48
Speaker 18: if we don't take action, all will fry our own home.
40:51
Speaker 17: And there's still a bit of climate denial skepticism about
40:54
Speaker 17: what do you say to that? What do you say
40:56
Speaker 17: to people aren't you or or here those those skeptical arguments.
40:59
Speaker 18: It's like it's it's like saying I believe in gravity.
41:02
Speaker 18: Gravity does not care whether you believe in it or not.
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Speaker 18: If you step out of the second floor window, you
41:07
Speaker 18: will go very quickly to the ground level. Your state
41:11
Speaker 18: of mind is irrelevant, And so it is with global warming.
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Speaker 1: James, hallelujah, I have seen the light suddenly. I looked
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Speaker 1: at that and thought I got to repent. You know,
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Speaker 1: these guys simply advertise the fact they do not understand
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Speaker 1: the real argument global warming Israel got it, got it.
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Speaker 1: But the argument is about whether warming is bad and
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Speaker 1: whether the pain of trying to stop it is worth
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Speaker 1: the gain. How can these two sanctimonious men, after years
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Speaker 1: and years of this argument not understand that or are
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Speaker 1: they being dishonest?
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Speaker 6: I think they're being very dishonest. I think they are
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Speaker 6: committed to this course no matter what the evidence. It's
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Speaker 6: an ideological bent that they have, and it doesn't matter
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Speaker 6: what you argue, Andrew, they are deaf to it because
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Speaker 6: it's not based on science. It's not based on rational logic.
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Speaker 6: It's ideological, as you pointed out, and continue on their
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Speaker 6: merry way.
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Speaker 1: Ye Chrissy, then the scales fall from your eyes. I
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Speaker 1: don't even know if you are a skeptic, by the way,
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Speaker 1: but was that a persuasive.
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Speaker 2: Message for you?
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Speaker 14: I think.
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Speaker 4: Look, I wouldn't put the words in the phraseology. It's
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Speaker 4: like believing in gravity. You will fall if you jump
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Speaker 4: out a window and your state of mind doesn't matter.
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Speaker 4: Because for people in Australia right now, and I know
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Speaker 4: I am polling them, you know, I went with Redbridge
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Speaker 4: polling people are very, very concerned about the cost of energy,
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Speaker 4: the cost of living. They are yes, believing in climate change,
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Speaker 4: but it is falling far far down the list in
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Speaker 4: terms of their priorities of what affects them as an
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Speaker 4: individual in their own home and providing for their family.
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Speaker 4: They are worried they are not necessarily looking at it
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Speaker 4: as well. This is but I don't believe that this
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Speaker 4: is the most important thing. I must be a skeptic.
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Speaker 4: They do believe, but they say this is not that
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Speaker 4: important to us. Government fix the cost of living.
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Speaker 12: Well.
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Speaker 1: Part of the reason they say is that not important
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Speaker 1: to us because they don't see the catastrophes that were
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Speaker 1: predicted and therefore it's of less salience than them. J
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Speaker 1: christmics screen. I'm sorry, I'm cutting it short because I'm
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Speaker 1: going to lash out on my last show for some
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Speaker 1: weeks with one segment and a comeback.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time.
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Speaker 1: Joseph first and Christom mcsweene here because after the break,
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Speaker 1: we've got Whiskey with a Mate again for one night only.
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Speaker 1: Things have coincided. One people again asking me what happen
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Speaker 1: to you Whiskey with a Mate segment, two me going
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Speaker 1: on holiday tonight and me feeling wow, let's start kicking
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Speaker 1: back right now. And three News twenty four setting up
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Speaker 1: an online shop to sell merch including I've just discovered
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Speaker 1: a bolt report whiskey glass.
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Speaker 2: How about that?
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Speaker 1: And so for one night only whiskey with a mate, well,
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Speaker 1: not someone I ever met, but it's a mate because
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Speaker 1: he makes the whiskey I drink most often, other more
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Speaker 1: than sixty whiskeys, although I only drink one or two
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Speaker 1: drops a week. But this particularly suits me for an
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Speaker 1: everyday dram. It's an Australian one made by the Marris
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Speaker 1: By Morris of Rutherglen, famous for his fortified wines, and
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Speaker 1: that's the trick. There's also one fortified with musket barrels
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Speaker 1: and one with tokay barrels.
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Speaker 2: Joining me is.
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Speaker 1: Darren Pick, the resident head distiller at Morris. And I'll
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Speaker 1: start Darren by saying, thank you, mate, thank you very much.
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Speaker 1: Because normally a whiskey gets matured in old cherry barrels.
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Speaker 1: What made you think, No, We'll also give it a
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Speaker 1: burst with a tokay barrel instead, because the toko one
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Speaker 1: is the one I like best.
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Speaker 2: What made you think that?
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Speaker 19: I was very looking at the time, in twenty sixteen,
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Speaker 19: I was working in Australia and looking at the spirit
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Speaker 19: industry and looking at getting into Australian whiskey with drunk
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Speaker 19: Sella when Morris and Brotherglen came up for sale and
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Speaker 19: John actually stepped in to buy an hundred a sixty
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Speaker 19: five year old winery, which otherwise would have been lost.
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Speaker 19: It's a multi award winning winery, and yet it would
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Speaker 19: have just disappeared. And I was lucky enough to be
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Speaker 19: in the country working on a whiskey project. Came down
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Speaker 19: here and obviously, being British, I understood about ports, I
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Speaker 19: understood about sherry, but I got to taste tokay and tokay.
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Speaker 19: The richness, the subtleness, the delicate flavors of tokay, the
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Speaker 19: rich sort of butter scotch and caramel.
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Speaker 5: It just clicked on my head.
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Speaker 19: I've made alcohol all over the planet, I've made alcohol
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Speaker 19: on every continent by Antarctica, and just those flavors within
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Speaker 19: the tokay, you just knew it was going to give
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Speaker 19: a beautiful finish to whiskey.
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Speaker 1: Well, here is where I give you a medal, because
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Speaker 1: you could have gone overboard with that and made it
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Speaker 1: really sickly sweet, or made it taste like something that
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Speaker 1: resembled whisky but wasn't. But it's very subtle. There's just
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Speaker 1: a little touch of it and it's still very much
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Speaker 1: a whiskey. And I thought, congratulations for your restraint as
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Speaker 1: much as anything. What made you decide that blend like that.
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Speaker 5: Well, thank you for the kind words. It's all about balance.
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Speaker 19: So when you make a whiskey, when you make any
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Speaker 19: alcoholic beverage, it's about making something that's subtle, balanced and
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Speaker 19: good to drink.
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Speaker 5: And so what you really want is you want.
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Speaker 19: The structure of the spirit, the structure of the valley
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Speaker 19: whiskey coming through the oak from the ballrels it's matured
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Speaker 19: in and then it's really about finishing. So that last
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Speaker 19: touch should just be that subtle, subtle extra that just
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Speaker 19: gives you that full rounded experience.
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Speaker 1: Now I don't want to sound like a dim tail
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Speaker 1: head or something, but it's at one hundred and forty
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Speaker 1: eight bucks, you know, around about there, depending where you go.
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Speaker 1: I thought it was a pretty good value where proposition too,
47:09
Speaker 1: it's one prizes as well. How's the whiskey business going
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Speaker 1: in Australia? You know, there was a lot of stuff
47:16
Speaker 1: about it, you know, Slivan's Cove and Larkins has mainly
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Speaker 1: as broadened out to the Mainland, but you don't hear
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Speaker 1: so much about whiskey at the moment.
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Speaker 2: Is it still on the rise? What's going on.
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Speaker 19: At the moment the whiskey industry like all industries. Obviously
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Speaker 19: we've got the cost of living crisis, we've got very
47:35
Speaker 19: igh guilty, but there have opportunities still within that whiskey category.
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Speaker 19: And when you think if you look at the alcohol
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Speaker 19: industry as a whole in Australia, when it comes to wine,
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Speaker 19: Australians during Australian wine, when it comes to beer, Australians
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Speaker 19: during Australian beer, but when it comes to whiskey, at
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Speaker 19: the moment, only two percent of whiskey consumed in Australia
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Speaker 19: is actually made in Australia, So that's a big opportunity. Now,
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Speaker 19: we can't control things like duty rate, we can't we
48:08
Speaker 19: can can't control the cost of living crisis. So what
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Speaker 19: we're doing is doing the things we can do. So
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Speaker 19: we're trying to give an affordable whiskey something that's great tasting.
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Speaker 19: We've built a brand new cellar Dom and Experience within
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Speaker 19: Rutherglen to let people come in and actually experience and
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Speaker 19: do the toes and see how the whiskey is made,
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Speaker 19: because that's the thing we can control, and it's also
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Speaker 19: bringing people into those fortified wines, and that's the way
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Speaker 19: that we're going to have to approach at the moment. Yes,
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Speaker 19: all the industries are struggling at the moment, but we
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Speaker 19: are looking at the positives and how to get through that.
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Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 1: One reason for that, of course, is the obscenely high
48:48
Speaker 1: you know, liquor texes, the alcohol taxes that make your
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Speaker 1: sound competitive. It's ridiculous as skill in the industry. Darren Pick,
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time. Congratulations, Thank you mate.
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Speaker 1: It's there's Sherry Maxon.
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Speaker 2: Good night.
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Speaker 1: M m hm