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Sweet Baby Inc - Fixing Gamers is our Business · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you may be,
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  Speaker 1: and welcome back to Honey Badger Radio. My name is
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  Speaker 1: Brian Allison and this is maintaining frames Sweet Baby Inc.
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  Speaker 1: Fixing gamers is our business, not fixing games, fixing gamers,
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  Speaker 1: and we're going to be looking at an interview between
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  Speaker 1: a podcaster named Juana or Juane Benny. She is a
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  Speaker 1: tech and games journalist and streamer, marketing pr specialist and
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  Speaker 1: content creator in the video game and esports industry who
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  Speaker 1: is going to be speaking with Maria Beck, a producer
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  Speaker 1: at Sweet Baby Inc. Montreal based narrative development and consultation
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  Speaker 1: studio in the video game industry. If you have not
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  Speaker 1: been following or are privy to the happenings in the
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  Speaker 1: games industry, specifically revolving around gamer Gate, which is that
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  Speaker 1: ten year old movement that people want to kill but
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  Speaker 1: can't die, this is it's basically another chapter in that story.
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  Speaker 1: We have a consultation company and a Sweet Baby Inc.
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  Speaker 1: That on its face, it's it appears to be completely
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  Speaker 1: benevolent and it's just run by a tiny team of
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  Speaker 1: little women's and all they want to do is make
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  Speaker 1: little changes and you know, support their passion for the
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  Speaker 1: game that they love so much or whatever it is,
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  Speaker 1: but in reality, it's basically about control, and it's about
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  Speaker 1: taking money and taking control over the industry itself. And
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  Speaker 1: they do it under the guise of being widow women's
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  Speaker 1: that don't want to hurt a fly, but it's.
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  Speaker 2: Just not true.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, and that's what we're gonna be looking at,
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  Speaker 1: is this interview. Yeah, and we're gonna be looking at
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  Speaker 1: this interview, particularly a certain chapter. It's about an hour
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  Speaker 1: and forty minutes long, but they get into the meat
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  Speaker 1: of it. Most of it is is nothing but fluff,
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  Speaker 1: but they get into the meat of the meat of
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  Speaker 1: it about an hour in, and we're gonna be looking
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  Speaker 1: at that where they actually talk about all the horrible
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  Speaker 1: hullobo ask that they're getting from the bad, bad white men's.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, all of the all of the people, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, all the gamers that harassed them are obviously
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  Speaker 1: cis haap white men. Good thing that it was just
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  Speaker 1: those guys, the people that we can totally demonize and exclude,
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  Speaker 1: and it wasn't a more diverse group.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, God, anyway, exactly, thank god they all were
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  Speaker 2: orcs there wasn't any kind of sympathetic character among them.
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  Speaker 1: Nope, Nor before we get into it, Alison, yeah, do
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  Speaker 2: We are going to do go through the video, the
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  Speaker 2: Sweet Baby, Inc. Video, and then we will do a
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  Speaker 2: run through of their latest project, Unusual June. Is that possible?
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  Speaker 2: I did send it to you, but I can I.
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  Speaker 1: Can't play it. It's on Mac only, Allison, No.
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  Speaker 2: I sent you a PC link recently, but yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I don't have but bye, but uh here, I'll give
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  Speaker 2: you a message link and we'll see. Okay, so a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of a it might be a rain check
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  Speaker 2: I'm playing that unless uh so, it's just the last
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  Speaker 2: message that I sent you.
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  Speaker 3: Is the link? All right?
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, we will go through the video, so there
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  Speaker 2: you go.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, let me I'll download it in the background. While
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  Speaker 1: I tried to.
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  Speaker 2: Download it on Mac but apparently the they actually got
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  Speaker 2: rid of it, so I wasn't able to and so
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  Speaker 2: I had to go to to a another internet to
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  Speaker 2: find a potential download link for you and hopefully that works.
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  Speaker 1: They want maybe okay, well, well come back to what
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  Speaker 1: they want.
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  Speaker 2: Money.
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  Speaker 1: They want you know, they want me to download, They
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  Speaker 1: want me to biometrics, They want me to install a
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  Speaker 1: vast secure browser before I go. But uh, okay, well
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  Speaker 1: let's let's look at Okay. So so this is Maria
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  Speaker 1: back on the screen, and uh, we're going to like
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  Speaker 1: hear them. They're going to get into the actual meat
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  Speaker 1: of the conversation. But they really wanted to talk about
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  Speaker 1: you can tell because you watched the whole thing and
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of boring. And then they are like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: let's get controversial.
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  Speaker 3: So let's get to the hot take, which is sweeping peak.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get to the hot take, right.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't have one for today, and I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: we usually have one, but it's you, right, like, aside
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  Speaker 4: from the people that really believe in gaming for the
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  Speaker 4: Culture podcast, and you want to hear, Yes, Janay and
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  Speaker 4: Maria talk. We have some people listening because they want
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  Speaker 4: some type of hot take. Yeah, And we were talking
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  Speaker 4: about it earlier and I said I was going to
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  Speaker 4: mention it again because there's been a.
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  Speaker 3: Lot that happened. Would you mind summing up in your
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  Speaker 3: own all right.
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  Speaker 1: So they're getting ready to talk about it. I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to point out that it takes them about an hour
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  Speaker 1: to get to it, and there is no conversation. Comments
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  Speaker 1: are turned off for the video obviously, so there is
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  Speaker 1: no real conversation going on. All right, so I do
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  Speaker 1: have some time codes here, let's see. So at an
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  Speaker 1: hour and thirty three seconds, they explained the con the controversy.
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  Speaker 1: So I got to move forward. It was like the
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  Speaker 1: arrow keys right to move it like ten seconds. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: mm hmmm, here we go.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I those keyboard shortcuts.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I gotta play. I don't know all the
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  Speaker 1: keyboard shortcuts. Okay, so let's take a listen.
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  Speaker 3: Started trending on Twitter on x Twitter. Uh and uh
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  Speaker 3: yeah a year and a half is I think it
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  Speaker 3: is a good is a good time estimate.
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  Speaker 5: I felt a little dumbfounded when it started, and it
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  Speaker 5: was just that we consulted on some I think may
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  Speaker 5: Triple A games. You know, Got of War, Ragnarok and
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  Speaker 5: alan Wick two in particular.
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  Speaker 1: All right, for the record, Alse, you don't know what
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  Speaker 1: they like, what effect they had on those games, or
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  Speaker 1: much about those games, right, Do you want me to
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  Speaker 1: fill it in? Because she just kind of name drops them,
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  Speaker 1: but she doesn't really like.
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead, I would be the Watson.
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: So what war changes?
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  Speaker 1: So God of War Ragnarok, and this is the irony
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  Speaker 1: of the God of War franchise. You remember ten years
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  Speaker 1: ago we had on David Jaffy, who was the director
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  Speaker 1: and designer behind Yeah, it was earlier. It was like
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  Speaker 1: right when Gamergate was starting up, right when gamer gamer started,
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  Speaker 1: so like twenty fourteen, so it was like twelve years ago,
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  Speaker 1: and we had him on because of this controversy where
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  Speaker 1: I think he like uh saw. I think it was
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  Speaker 1: like some prom thing where like the the the day
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  Speaker 1: for the prom were dressed up as the men were
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  Speaker 1: dressed up as like sort of like you know, superhero
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  Speaker 1: themed outfits, and the women were like pinning you know,
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  Speaker 1: like flowers on them or something like that. Right, and
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  Speaker 1: and he got into he basically like stepped on a
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  Speaker 1: landmine and got into it, and we brought him on
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  Speaker 1: our show. So he was at the time someone who
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  Speaker 1: would push back on kind of like you know, bush
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  Speaker 1: league journalism as he called it, because they he was.
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  Speaker 1: He was promoting his game Got of War three at
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  Speaker 1: the time, and Got of War three was a big
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  Speaker 1: was a very popular game. People were very much anticipating it,
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  Speaker 1: and of course the journalist I think it was over
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  Speaker 1: at ign or something like that. They were trying to
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  Speaker 1: accuse him of putting like you know, kind of sexist
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  Speaker 1: things in the game, and I'm making a sexist comment
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  Speaker 1: because he said that, you know, if you can like
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  Speaker 1: let your girlfriend play or something like that. Right, he
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  Speaker 1: made a comment that about about a girlfriend and gaming,
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  Speaker 1: and he was not happy with it. So we brought
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  Speaker 1: him on our show. But he didn't really like us either.
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  Speaker 1: He thought that we were kind of sexist, and I
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  Speaker 1: warned him. I said that, like, this is going to
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  Speaker 1: become a problem, this ideology, and he didn't really think
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  Speaker 1: it was a problem at the time, but then he
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  Speaker 1: stopped working on you know, he was no longer working
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  Speaker 1: with the company. I think they changed the name to
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  Speaker 1: Santa Monica. They were called something else before. I can't
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  Speaker 1: remember it now it doesn't matter. And then a different
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  Speaker 1: team took over the God of War franchise and they
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  Speaker 1: changed the tone of the games completely and they're and
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  Speaker 1: they're now they're called they're in a genre people call
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  Speaker 1: sad dad games, where you have like, if there's a
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  Speaker 1: male character, he's kind of pathetic and depressed and he
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  Speaker 1: hates himself for some reason. And this is what the
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  Speaker 1: God of War franchise became, whereas before it was like this,
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  Speaker 1: you know, very like high action you're like this Greek
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  Speaker 1: warrior and you're killing everything in your path, and it's
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  Speaker 1: it's meant to be a kind of like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you're you come home from a bad day at work,
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  Speaker 1: you just want to kill things. That's what video games are, right,
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  Speaker 1: They're like a well for some people, they're like a release,
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  Speaker 1: you know of like you're just unwinding by like killing
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of enemies. And then like the God of
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  Speaker 1: War franchise became this like emotional, you know, kind of
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  Speaker 1: roller coaster of like, oh, I'm so I've done so
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  Speaker 1: much bad in my life and it's like this self
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  Speaker 1: deprecating humiliation ritual. And they made a sequel to that
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  Speaker 1: God of War Ragnarok, where they took it even further
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  Speaker 1: and they actually have the main character, Credos, confront his
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  Speaker 1: former self from the original games to take a shit
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  Speaker 1: on that. And so it's an extreme act of like
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  Speaker 1: disrespect right to these games that people like liked, and
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  Speaker 1: Sweet Baby ain't worked on that, So like this is
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  Speaker 1: like these are the kinds of ways that they have
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  Speaker 1: an influence. It's not just like yeah, they do like
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  Speaker 1: the race swaps and the gender swap things and the
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  Speaker 1: Girl Boss things. Yes, they do that stuff, and yet
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  Speaker 1: it's annoying and I don't like it. But they also
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  Speaker 1: like change the sort of like the fundamental DNA of
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  Speaker 1: the product they get their hands on, especially if it's
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  Speaker 1: a well established franchise and one that's aimed at men,
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  Speaker 1: or at least it's popular with men, So like, they'll
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  Speaker 1: do that to those things, right, And God of War
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  Speaker 1: was one. The other one Alan Wake. All I know
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  Speaker 1: about that is in Alan Wake two, there was a
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  Speaker 1: there was a female cop character in the original game
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  Speaker 1: that was white, and they made her a black woman
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  Speaker 1: and they didn't even explain it. They just changed it
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  Speaker 1: for no reason, well other than that's what sweet Baby inguanted.
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  Speaker 1: Because the thing is is that they take these ideas
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  Speaker 1: of representation, of inclusivity, whatever it is that they're doing,
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  Speaker 1: and they put it above everything else. They say that
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  Speaker 1: it's not the case, but it is. It becomes the
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  Speaker 1: primary motivation for everything they do. So mm hmmm. And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and the uh, the gameplay for God of War change
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  Speaker 1: as well, yes, But but I'm mainly focused on, like
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  Speaker 1: the story stuff because that's the stuff that these people
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  Speaker 1: have an impact on. So anyway, she's sort of like
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  Speaker 1: laying it out. Let me let me look at what
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  Speaker 1: I see. Til Deer's in our chat. Til Deer says,
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  Speaker 1: we consulted on games that turned out to be hot garbage,
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  Speaker 1: just a coincidence. I'm sure, yes, Okay, So I mean
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  Speaker 1: got a war. I guess it was still like pretty popular,
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  Speaker 1: but it's not the same as what it used to be.
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  Speaker 1: And David Jaffe, by the way, he's still like coping.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, oh no, it's just you know, things change,
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  Speaker 1: people change, you know, it's just not he's like accepting
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  Speaker 1: that they basically destroyed his legacy. And I know he
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  Speaker 1: probably really wants to be mad, but he doesn't. He
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  Speaker 1: doesn't think he's allowed to be, you know, because I'd
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  Speaker 1: be pissed.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, he says, we're kind of sexist. Geez,
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  Speaker 2: that's kind of like, that's pretty a kind of sexist.
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  Speaker 2: I was hoping for massive sexist.
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  Speaker 1: Well at the time, I think we were all kind
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  Speaker 1: of sex Well, no, he was. It's his way. It's
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  Speaker 1: his way of it was his way of sort of
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  Speaker 1: like pushing back, so he I think he would have
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  Speaker 1: gone further, but he wanted to try and talk to us,
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  Speaker 1: so instead he would just like, I don't know, man,
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of sexist, you know, And I was like, no,
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  Speaker 1: it's not like it's just it's just facts. Like I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: I don't buy it, but anyway, let's let's let's keep going.
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  Speaker 1: There's another yeah, And.
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  Speaker 5: I think because the way the industry is set up,
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  Speaker 5: in part, we are not always allowed to talk about
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  Speaker 5: all of the details of whatever the heck we are asked.
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  Speaker 3: To work on.
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  Speaker 5: And honestly, like from a person, I mean their non
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  Speaker 5: disclosure agreements because you're dealing.
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  Speaker 2: With stuff that you know, people people don't want you know,
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  Speaker 2: the leaks are not spoilers or not not. They don't
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  Speaker 2: want you to do that. So is she upset over that.
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  Speaker 1: Or I think she's trying to explain, but like, like,
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  Speaker 1: I think she's trying to say, well, there are people
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  Speaker 1: who are upset that don't really know what we're doing,
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  Speaker 1: and part of it is because we can't tell them
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  Speaker 1: what we're doing. But that's not really the issue, That's
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like, the issue is that there were
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  Speaker 1: things that were changed that were either completely unnecessary and
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  Speaker 1: really obvious. And I don't even really like to use
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  Speaker 1: the word pandering because pandering almost sounds like what you're
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  Speaker 1: doing is for like these people as a people. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but you're not. You're doing it for yourself. You're it's
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  Speaker 1: it's serving itself serving narcissism for other narcissists. That's what
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  Speaker 1: it is. But anyway, let's let's I can get.
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  Speaker 5: In with that.
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  Speaker 2: I could actually I can actually add something to that.
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  Speaker 2: This entire narrative of these vulnerable groups that need to
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  Speaker 2: be protected by a certain class of women, that is
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  Speaker 2: how they assert themselves as morally superior to men. That's
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  Speaker 2: the bedrow. So you know, you have to have women
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  Speaker 2: in the workplace, specifically in power in the workplace over
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  Speaker 2: for example, hiring decisions, because women will make these decisions
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  Speaker 2: in the right way, and the right way is to
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  Speaker 2: benefit those in need, who they have identified as certain minorities.
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  Speaker 2: So and that entire narrative means that they are morally
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  Speaker 2: superior to men. And this is this is the thing
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  Speaker 2: that this particular class or demographic of women, that's what
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  Speaker 2: they're after. I remember at the beginning of this this
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  Speaker 2: there's like a little montage where you see this white woman,
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  Speaker 2: maybe she's Jewish. I don't think it matters in this context,
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  Speaker 2: but she talks about how she doesn't feel good about
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  Speaker 2: being white, and then she pivots to you know, and boys,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they they should they should feel even I mean,
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  Speaker 2: boys have even more privileged than I do and girls do.
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  Speaker 2: And that is the payload for her. It's it's not
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  Speaker 2: the feeling guilty about being white. It is the feeling
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  Speaker 2: of moral of self righteousness about being a woman. And
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  Speaker 2: that's what these people are out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: It's pandering to these women's self righteousness. It's not pandering
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  Speaker 2: to these groups. These groups are just passionate props in
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  Speaker 2: their passion play about how they are morally better than men.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there you go.
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  Speaker 2: All right, I'm done, yes, and there.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there are some people in those groups that
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  Speaker 1: will eat this up, but like for the most part,
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  Speaker 1: you know, if you're interested in something, whether it's Star
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  Speaker 1: Trek or Star Wars or a video game or what
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  Speaker 1: an anime, it doesn't matter. You are interested before these
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  Speaker 1: people came along and gave you permission to be interested.
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  Speaker 1: Because that's what it feels like, you know. It's like
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  Speaker 1: they come along and they're like, I'm here to save
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  Speaker 1: the you know X group and the people who belong
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  Speaker 1: to the group are supposed to feel rescued by these people,
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  Speaker 1: but they're not, because again, they were already in risted,
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  Speaker 1: like who's trying to make Dragon ball Z more inclusive
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  Speaker 1: to Mexicans? They love that shit. So anyway, but let's keep.
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  Speaker 5: Going that we could share, you know, the stuff that
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  Speaker 5: we work on and how we do it. I think
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  Speaker 5: like knowledge sharing is important, and I like transparency as
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  Speaker 5: a producer. So that's already a side of this where
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  Speaker 5: I'm like sad that that's not something that was able
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  Speaker 5: to happen or can happen.
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  Speaker 3: And so I think it turned into.
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  Speaker 5: A bunch of people pulling different clips and pieces of
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  Speaker 5: media and sentences from GDC talks and information.
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  Speaker 3: And gathering them and then creating very quick, fast assumptions
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  Speaker 3: on a very single team.
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  Speaker 1: So now she's claiming that she's being they were being
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  Speaker 1: taken out of context. That's what that means. Now there's
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: an infamous clip I could find it, perhaps I'm sure
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: that it's everywhere of Kim bell Air, the CEO or
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: leader or whatever you know, chairperson of Sweet Baby, Inc.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Saying what they do, which is essentially to shake down
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: game studios to change the content of their games to
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: match their specific narrative goals. Otherwise they will face, you know,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: suits basically like civil suits, complaints, they'll go after them.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: So I'm going to find it. You guys probably heard
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: this already, but I'm going to get it for you anyway.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Well, but they also say this, They talk about this,
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: this narrative like you know, it's been applied to them.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: But even in this video, they very clearly identify their
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: black categories. I mean it's like they want to they
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: want to be able to condemn and implicate white cis hetman,
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: which is you know, when they say that, they just
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: mean male masculine man, that's it.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure of course, Yeah imagine male men.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that includes gay men. That even includes flaming gay men.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: It includes anything with a penis.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Women who don't like basically agree with.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Me because I'm supposed to have like I'm I am
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: supposed to transition according to feminists, because I don't deserve
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: the right to have the female power that they deny exists.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: I've never had them argue this with me. Why don't
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: you just transition? You don't deserve to be blah blah
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: blah to be considered as a female. I'm like, all right,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: so they they anybody, any of the penis people, and
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: any of the penis people sympathizers. That's what cis. We
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: cis heat white male means yeah, it means man at
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: this point.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right, let me show you the clip.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: I want to show you the clip. This is what
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: she's referencing. When people say they take things we said
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: and they like pluck them out of context. They don't
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: know the full context. So I want you to tell
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: me what the what additional context could possibly change this?
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: Put this stuff up to your higher ups, and if
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: they don't see the value and what you're asking for
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: when you ask for consultants, when you ask for research,
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: go have a coffee with your marketing team and just
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: terrify them with the possibility of what's going to happen
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: if they don't give you what you want.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: What does that sound like? I mean that's what they
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: do and and well, I mean most of the time
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: teams will just bend the needs of there to them
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: because they're already woke anyway, or they think because what
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: what what sweet Baby Inc. Does Is And they're not
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: the only ones. Like I've said, this forever, like there's
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: a there's a this is like a very small part
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: of a much bigger problem. But what the truth is
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: that what these people do is they sell the idea
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: that if you put feminism and all of these like
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: progressive politics and various identity groups and representation groups in
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: their media, it will sell better. And some studios, probably
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: a lot of them, they buy into it. I mean
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: they recently changed Warhammer forty thousand to include female custodies,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: which is completely unheard of. But they did it simply
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: because people told them, no, this is going to work, man,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: people want this, and it's it's just not true. So
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: m yeah, and no, they'll they've sunken studios, they've destroyed studios,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: they've made them go broke and everything. Of course they
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: blame the gamers for that, but go ahead, of course.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: But this is this is actually pervasive across all mediums.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: It's not just games, it's animation, its actually I've actually
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: done a like two month deep dive into what happened
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: to the publishing industry. I can tell you in a
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: single word or an acronym, what happened to the publishing industry,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: because what happened to the publishing industry was awful.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Female.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, that's exactly what happened to the publishing industry
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: and it is currently imploding. They don't say that, they
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: say that everything is healthy and fine, because they do.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: But essentially what happened is between the nineties and now,
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: they completely switched their product offering and instead of as as,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: the sales numbers declined. Because if you look at blockbusters
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: in like the seventies and eighties, they're huge, like I
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: think the Da Vinci Code sold like forty million, and
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: then their Jaws sold like ten you know, were these
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: were huge blockbusters. And now they're blockbusters sell maybe a million,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: maybe two million, So they've gone down by a significant percentage.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: They're not addressing that fact. They say that the reason
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: why people don't read anymore is not because they kept
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: putting a product that nobody wants.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: In front of them.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: But this is the Big five, with the big six
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: publishing houses, it's because of fractured attention. Except I think
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: you'll notice that people if they find a game they
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: really like, they'll play it for days. If people find
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: a light novel series, they'll binge it. You know, if
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: they find web cereals they enjoy, they will, They'll be
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: reading it for weeks. Right, This isn't a problem of
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: attention span, nor is it a problem of word of mouth.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: That's their other big thing. Oh, there's no word of
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: mouth anymore? Are you kidding me? Like thirty years ago,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: I had maybe thirty people I could recommend a book to,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: you know, friends, family, and my writer's group. You know.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Now I have a discord of like eight hundred plus people,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: and then I'm part of other discords. There's no way
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: that word of mouth isn't forced multiplied by these online communities.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: And yet they insist that this is why, and it
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: absolutely isn't the fact that a whole bunch of awfuls
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: are choosing awful product and trying to force it down
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: people's throats. And in particular, the awful product that they're
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: creating is a genre that I call vindication. So this
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: is how vindication works. A put upon woman finds out
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: that she was perfect all along and her only problem
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: was that she didn't appreciate herself enough. That is the
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: vindication genre. And they have pushed out another type of genre,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: which you know, these genres that I'm creating, these are
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: like original to me, so don't look for them at
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: least until I get this research out. They pushed out
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: another genre, which I like to call the male moral
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: competence genre. And what is the male moral competence genre?
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: It is a competent man making a difficult ethical choice
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: who he then and then suffering the consequences of that choice. So,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: for example, if it is a good choice, he might
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: he will have to sacrifice for something in order to
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: protect others. If it's a bad choice, he decides not
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: to sacrifice, then ultimately it will be like a downfall
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: narrative like Scarface, you know. So that's that kind of narrative.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: When the publishing industry one percent embraced the male moral
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: competence narrative, they had they saw the biggest gains in
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: terms of readership and unit sales. All right. When they
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: moved from that narrative and had a whole bunch of
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: offls come into the into the publishing industry and start
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: pushing the vindication narrative on everyone, then they started to
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: see the big declines. And one of the big things
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: that happened is the publishing industry went from having a
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: majority of books that stayed on the New York Times
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Bestseller List for ten weeks plus to a majority of
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: books that only stay on the list for a single week.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: So they get a push, they hit high, and they disappear.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: This is because the Big Six keeps pushing vindication narratives,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: and get this, women don't like them either. They've pushed
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: out the kind of stories even women like because women
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: like romance. Well, you know how romance gets on the
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: New York Times bestseller list. Well, a independent romance author
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: will publish her romance independent of the Big Six, and
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: then when it gets a lot of money, the Big
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: six will grab it up and publish it, like, do
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: a second publishing of it. That's how that happens. They
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: don't even like romance, guys, these awfuls, these affulent white
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: female liberals, do not even like romance because it's you know,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: it's about a woman trying to appeal to a penis persons.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: That's sort of like patriarchy. So they don't even like that.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: So they've pushed romance off of their list. They don't
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: even really legitimately publish it or push it. They don't.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: They don't. And god forbid, if you talk about any
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: kind of male focus fiction. They don't even touch that
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: with like a twenty foot pole. So they've pushed out
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: all of the type of stories that men and women like.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: And they keep keep flogging these vindication narratives. And here's
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: what they do with like the female one, the romance.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: A romance properly structured is two people who are each
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: other's greatest antagonists who learn nevertheless that they're better off together, okay,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: and they choose the relationship over independence. This applies to romance,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: and applies to buddy cop movies, which is called buddy love,
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: same formula. When these Big six get their claws on it,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: they turn it into a vindication narrative in which the
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: man always loved the woman, so she was always going
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: to get him, and he bends over backwards and breaks
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: his spine to kiss her freaking ass and tell her
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: how she was perfectly wonderful all along. She never needed
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: to try to prove anything to him ever, she was
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: totally just just worthy and she should never have doubted herself.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: And that that's not romance. That's a vindication narrative with
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: romance gloss. And then when they try the I know
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: this is becoming a bit of a side quest. Now.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Then when they try to write or to put something
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: that's like a male focused narrative, they do something like
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: this book called twenty thirty four in which in the
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Y saves the day and the US just talks about
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: how awful it is, and the one of the main
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: characters is the US and female US Navy seal who
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: is absolutely the best seal ever, and a female admiral
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: and also a female president and yeah, and it's all
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: about how America bad and India saves the world. H
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: So again, it's a vindication narrative with competence gloss, and
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: it off screens all of its actual actions, so you
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: don't actually get to see anyone being competent. Just fades
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: to black. It's like just a whole bunch of policy
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: meetings on how awful America. And then they're like, wow,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: we gotta do something. Well, we're not going to show
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: that because that's showing people being competent. We don't do
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: that here. I just I thought, and this is what
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: they're doing. They are pushing a product nobody wants, nobody
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: and they're insisting that the problem is the audience. So
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: you're like when you talk about games, you remember the
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: sad puppies who are on the edge of this. They
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: didn't even capture how bad it is. And all it
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: is is these these these moral, didactic moral plays about
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: how these awful women are just perfectly perfect just as
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: they are, and they just keep churning this stuff out.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Nobody wants it, but they keep churning it out. And
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: I think that this is basically what's happening with Sweet Baby, inc.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Except with games you actually have to have talent with writing. No, No,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: it's like it's a secondary thing, right, don't really.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Well I think with the games though, too, what the
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: with the games to those that they will conceal a
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: really awful like story premise or like woke elements in
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: a game that actually has decent mechanics, so like it
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: might be fun to play, and that's a really sneaky
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: way of getting your story in or your narrative across,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: because normanies aren't like sensitive that stuff. They just want
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: to play a fun game. And so, like, you know,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: people will try to convince me like, oh, you should
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: play God of War Ragnarron because the gameplay is really good.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: It's like yeah, but I know what it's really about.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: So I don't really care. I can find, you know,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: games that play well that don't you know ham fist
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: a preaching narrative into me about masculinity and how it
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: needs to be deconstructed. No, I don't need it. I
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: don't care how good the game is. But this is
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: like another way that they do it because you have
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: you know, when there are people working on a video game,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: You're right, Alison, it requires talent, So you're gonna have
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: like people that know what they're doing, but they're usually
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: working on the the end of like you know, the
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: gameplay and the engine that it's gonna run on, and
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: all these other things, and the narrative. People like these
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: people they don't do any of that stuff. They're over
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: there in the background, you know, saying put a chicken
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: it and make or gay so. And then they just
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: they just tell the runts that are actually like producing
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: the product everybody wants, and they're like, you got to
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: put this stuff in there because we heard it will sell,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: and they do, but like, you know, it doesn't. I
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: think that it's it sort of like makes it difficult
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: to criticize the games that sell well but still have
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: this stuff in them. It is a challenge, but I
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: think that people are starting to realize, you know, they
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: can see when something is shit when they look at it.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: And plus the indie games, and this is the thing too,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: is the indie games and the Double A titles are
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: really rising up because they they have the let's say,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: the benefit of not having to deal with this sort
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: of top down, bureaucratic control over their narratives. And they
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: can make the game they really want to. And and
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: you have like a smaller team, they're more agile, they
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: can like you know, accomplish goals more efficiently. Everyone's on
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: the same page with these These guys want to work
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: on Triple A titles because they want to use the
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: brand to sell their ideas. So they'll they'll work on
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Spider Man two, which is one of the games they
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: worked on. They'll work on God of War because it's
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: a massive property, because yeah, they get to push their
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: their craft through there. And they just presume that and
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: this is the thing that's the most insulting. They presume
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: that gamers are dumb and they just eat up whatever's
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: put in front of them. If it has like, you know,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: the current year or whatever the new sequel is plastered
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: on the box. And that's why I think, you know,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: it's what I try to push people to do is
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: to look at smaller titles. If you like, you know,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: a certain game from a brand that's gone woke, look
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: for something like it in a smaller studio. There's there's
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: lots out there. There's we're no shortage of people making stuff,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: especially now that the tools are are more accessible and
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: allow more people to create. So anyway, that's what I
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: would say. But anyway, let's see what time code I'm
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: looking at here one two thirty nine. Yeah, this is
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: the next one they.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: Need in order to improve their game.
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: And I think we do that, like I think, and no,
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: we do that successfully because we're talking about really popular
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: and games that I think a lot of people have enjoyed.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: So she was explaining what they do, and this is
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: actually getting to what I'm saying. She says, well, what
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: we do is we help them, like you know, round
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: out their story ideas. And I think we do it
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: well because we work on really big games. You see,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: this is put in the cart before the horse though.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: She works on big games and then gets to boast
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: about how that makes her more legitimate for working on
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: more games, but that doesn't necessarily mean that what she's
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: doing is good for that title. She just got that job.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: And again, if these people are willing to, you know,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: perform like shakedowns to get a team to change, how
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: do we know that they're not shaking them down to
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: get the job, Like, oh, we're mostly female and non
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: binary team, you should bring us on board. Well what
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: if we don't, Well we're gonna you're gonna get in
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: trouble because why would you not hire women and minority
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: groups over here? Right? And they're like, okay, okay, we
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: don't want a lawsuit, we don't want bad press. They're
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: well connected. They they know the people in the games
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: journalist sites and I think that there they all work together.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: So yeah, do they ever get into the alleged harassment
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: that they.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Received, Yeah, they do. That's coming up here. Actually one four, Okay,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: do you want me to Let's let's keep going.
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: An indie or a fan that doesn't you know, that's
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: everyone I think has enjoyed a lot of the games.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: But I think the discourse.
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: That started and has just kind of like rollercoastered all
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: the way through goes beyond criticism, right, it goes into
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: things that can't really be proven, and a conspiracy that's
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: not true, and just a whole bunch of other things.
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: And so you know it is.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: A conspiracy that's not true. Is it not true because
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: you're not taking the actions? Or is it not true
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: because you think they're correct and people shouldn't be able
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: to judge them, because I think it's the second one.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: They are indeed doing what they are doing, and the
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: greamers have correctly identified what they are doing, because not
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: only is sweet Baby and doing it, it is publicly
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: saying that it's doing it. What she means is that
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: the conspiracy is that people don't view it in the
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: same way she does as a universal positive, so you're
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: only supposed to notice it. It's an interesting form of
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: like conspiracy condemnation of conspiracy theories. No, the conspiracy is
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: actually happening, but the conspiracy theory part comes in from
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: you not liking it and not supporting it. You get
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Brian, Yeah, yeah, yeah, the conspiracy is true,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: but you can only notice it if you support it.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Otherwise you're a conspiracy theorist, and then you're a bad person.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: So I think that's what she's doing here. She's like,
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: these actions are at what we're doing are one hundred
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: we're doing them, but you can't notice and not like it.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: You have to support it. And if you notice and
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: you don't support it, then it's a conspiracy. It's it
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: is this infuriating way that women think, and in particular
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: it is women. It's like, the behavior is irrelevant. It's
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: how you feel about it, how you feel about it,
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: whether you support it. It's a you can't just be like,
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: this is happening, this behavior is happening. If you notice,
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: you have to support it. Otherwise it's a conspiracy. And
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: it's all based on what they feel you should feel
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: about something, and it's like infuriating. All right, let's see,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Well there's another thing too.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: I think I wonder if this is a question, Okay,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: what if she thinks the reason why she believes that
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: we believe it's a conspiracy is because of the way
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: be person deives what they're doing versus what gamers perceive
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: them to be doing. So what she perceives them to
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: be doing, what she perceives her people to be doing
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: is something inherently an inherently moral good like we are
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: helping to make games better. Yeah, how are they made better?
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: Because we're making them more inclusive, we're making them more diverse,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: we're making them more female friendly. We are improving them. There,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: they are being objectively improved on by our presence. We're
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: making them better, and gamers are saying no, these are
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: making them worse. And both looking at the same thing.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Huh, we're also targeting in actually trying to make things
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: better for your minority.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Moral puppets, your person.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: You are targeting men, and you're targeting men's interests.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Yes, And they're saying, no, that's a conspiracy theory because
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: you are perceiving the good thing we're doing as a
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: bad thing, which means you must be looking at.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Something differ Yeah, exactly, all right, So it's a conspiracy
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: theory because they're recognizing the negative parts of what they're
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: doing rather than the positive parts, which they define right, Yes,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: and aren't particularly positive either. Yes, but yeah, it's and
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: also the word conspiracy or the phrase conspiracy theory. Let's
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: face it, it's mail coded, so they're just baba saying
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: that's mail and they don't even have to qualify that
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: that's mail well and the like recognizing against it.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, recognizing patterns in behavior is what they would call
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: a conspiracy theory, but it's something men are good at.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: We like, look at pat we recognize patterns and when
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: we see the same group of people advocating for the
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: same things and there's a a trail of destroyed franchises
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: in their wake, which there is. You can look at Concord,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: which like the lasted ten days before they shut it down,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: and it was all because of how ugly it was,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: had nothing to do with the gameplay. You have Suicide
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Squad killed the Justice League, which died. I mean, I
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: think people there's like a handful of people that still
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: play it. You have dust Born, which was a narrative
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: driven game. You have The Unknown Nine Awakening. Like I
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: can go on, but there's like one dead dead idea
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: as after another, and these people were involved with all
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: of them. And so like gamers are looking at that
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: andre like, Yeah, every time you guys try to put
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: out shit, it doesn't matter if it's a property that's
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: got you know, decades and decades of history, like God
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: of War or like Suicide Squad, or if it's a
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: brand new ip like Unknown nine Awakening or Concord. You
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: destroy it all the same. I think that what you
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: guys are producing is a problem. And ye. And it's
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: also they also criticize and attack the stuff that gamers like,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: so like Stellar Blade or The First Descendant or Bayonetta
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: or some game that has like attractive women in it,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: you know, or male character like Gears of War or Halo.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: They go after those as well because they're like, well,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: you know, you're straight white male protagonists whatever. They actually
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: do that in this conversation. So men are just saying, oh,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: I see, you just don't like the stuff that we like,
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: so why should we support you?
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: But anyway, ah why indeed?
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: All right, okay, let's keep going.
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: The harassment fulted in you know, us speaking to media,
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: Kim talking and kind of explaining things as much as
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: much as she can, and then you know, at the end.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: Of all of that, a whole lot of harassment.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Really really oh really, oh Court, and you are just
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: completely innocent. Sweet Baby Inc. Was just completely innocent and
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: all of that. No, they started it right this stream, Okay,
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: So essentially steam cre Curator Sweet Baby Inc. Detected went
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: up in January two thousand, twenty four, listing games with
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: SBI involvement and recommending people avoid them as woke. It
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: did not call for harassment. It was a boycott info tool.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Sweet Baby employee Chris Kindred then posted on x tag
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: the curator and Steam called it a harassment group, which
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: was a lie, essentially blaming them for what Chris was
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: then going to encourage and told followers to report the
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: fuck out of the group and report the creator since
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: he loves his account so much, right, And I believe
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: that resulted in dosing. Did it?
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: They tried to Yeah, they tried to, I think, like
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: get information on the guy who created the group. His
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: name is Cabrutus Rambo. I interviewed him. He's a Brazilian gamer.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: That was just like a normal gamer dude. That was
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: just like, I'm gonna like make a list of all
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: of the games that these people have worked on so
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: people know what they're getting into, and they wanted Yeah,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: they tried to get his information. I don't know if
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: they succeeded, but I did talk to Garuda's way back
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: when this first broke Yeah, so yeah.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: But uh okay so and then another employee, Maya Kramer,
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: publicly urged those with authority to step in and shut
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: the curator down. Mm hmmm, so the classic top down
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: call report brigade aimed nozeatic content but getting one named
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: user's account destroyed. Only after that did the story explode,
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: with bigger's accounts picking up and the harassment of quote
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: unquote harassment of SBI staff escalated harassment or people expressing
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: their discontent are letters to the editor letters to the
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: editor of harassment.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Now, yes, they engaged.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: In top down warfare, and then when people noticed this
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: and said we don't like it, they called it harassment. No,
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: it's not, it's people just not liking what you do, right.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: And this is the thing, like this is that whole
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: attitude that any kind of external feedback or an external
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: standard is somehow immediately suspect and illegitimate, and you get
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: to operate in your own little syllopsistic bubble for the
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: rest of eternity, except that your syllapsistic bubble isn't confined
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: to you. You get to enforce all of its norms
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: on everyone else. So this is a situation where they
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: started it. They started it, and people were trying to
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: defend their victim. I just wanted to point that out
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: because there's no like two sides here. They started it.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: People tried to defend their victim. That's it. Okay, continue
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: all right, yeah, let's continue.
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: Really really terrible things said to either me or my
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: colleagues who are also.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: You mean, things like you you're targeting people.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, we're not gonna get we don't get any receipts, receipts,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: there's nothing. We don't even get like photoshop screenshots. He
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: just gets to say it, Yeah, we were herrassed. I
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: was almost killed, like twenty times. You can just say
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: whatever and people are just like, oh, yeah, I guess
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: that happened to you. Yeah, no no evidence, no nothing. Yeah,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: that's it. Yep. Here here like here's your invitation to
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: the speak at the un.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well but this is how it works. It's just
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: like a woman gets up there and says mail, and
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: then everybody's like mal mail, mail math, good club mail,
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: Like tell me that's not the way it is.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Oh it is what the way it is. I mean,
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: her interviewee is not going to push back. She's like,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, I get it all the time too. Let's
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: all let's all participate. Let's hold, let's go arm in
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: arm and talk about how almost dead we are always
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: at all times and whatever.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: All their qualification qualifiers, right, all of their qualifiers just
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: mean male. Right, They're just saying pure male. That's it.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: That's all they mean when they put in all of
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: these qualifiers. It's just basically white another way of saying male.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: We investigated that years ago. And basically whiteness is masculinity cofigure.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: So it basically when you say white, you can replace
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: it with masculine. When you say cis you can replace
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: it with male. When you say head. I don't know
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: that one's a little bit more difficult. But you know,
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: as we know, the gay gay man are the straight
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: men of gay people. But so you when you say
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: cis white male.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Or it's just a compiling penalties because if they are heterosexuals,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: you say so. If they're not, you don't have to.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: But it's not necessary.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: No, for sure, heterosexuals are men who desire women. So
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: uh so you could just replace it with male desire.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: So basically white hate white, cis male. I'll just go
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: with white. Cis male is masculine male man. That's all
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: it is. Masculine male man, that's it, and that applies
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: to all men, even if you're not white, because black
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: men are masculine heterosexual manner or sorry, Latino men are masculine,
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: Asian men are masculine.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: You know. Remember they claim in this we haven't gotten
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: to it yet, But they claim later that all these
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: are white guys. But the guy who started Sweet Baby Inc.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: Detected was from Brazil. He was a Brazilian guy. But
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: he's a white guy because he's still.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: A man, right right Exactly when they say white sis
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: man man, they mean masculine male man. That's what they mean,
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: and that applies to every man, ironically, because again, black
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: men are the white men of black people, gay men
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: or the heterosexual men of straight men of gay people.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Latino men are just white. Now, sorry, Brian, you got
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: the motive.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: That's okay. Yeah, I think I guess I'm going to
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: catch it on that privileged card. No, I got a
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: rumble rant I should read before we keep going. Nova
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Fan twenty one gave us a dollar and says, one
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: of my favorite ways to protest them, if I had to,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: would be to have a program that spits out literal
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: woke slop games with all of their beliefs flood the
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: market and even normies will be sick of them. Well,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: they are trying to do that, and I don't think
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: that those games are doing well. Yeah, I don't think
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: that those games are doing well.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: That's the thing, guys, it's like normies. Like this is
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: what really startled me when I went into my deep
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: dive in the publishing industry. Normies don't like their crap.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: They one percent don't like with the publishing industry because
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: these people have such a lock on every aspect of it.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: So they completely controlled the product. There was nothing going
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: out that people actually liked, right, So they took an
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: industry that could move forty million units and they turned
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: it into an industry that's lucky. If it can move one,
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: it's big sellers. I mean, think about that, guys. That's
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: what they did to the publishing industry. And they put
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: out this product and nobody wants it. They don't even
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: put out product that women want. This is what blows
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: people's minds. I think it's like that Tumble. I don't
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: know if you ever saw that Tumblr drawing where a
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: female artist, I think it was a female artist. She
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: drew what women liked character.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, women do remember that.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: What men like in a female character and what woke
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: a special social just justice Tumbler feminists like in a
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: care And the first one was like, you know, an
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: attractive like uh, she looked like she was in like
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: a gown and she had woodland friends and she was
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: an attractive she wore makeup, and that was the female
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: the women, the female character that women like. And then
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: you saw the female character that men like in a
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: little less clothing, more skin, a little more more makeup,
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: carrying a gun. And then you see the character that
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: woke SJW. Tembler feminist like, and it was basically just
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: a human shaped eraser eraser. And it's exactly the same
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: in the publishing the industry. They don't want to cater
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: to women. I know, people probably listening here are astounded
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: at me saying that the publishing industry does not want
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: to cater to women because women like penises too much,
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: and it doesn't want to carry to men because.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: Minotar penis or something.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Then yeah, well, had okay, it's weird as.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: That is, dragon dick, you know, like the weird all
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: that is.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: Like generally, the romanticy is normal humans. But okay, as
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: weird as all of that is, that didn't come from
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: the publishing industry. They because they don't identify the trends
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: that women like, because they're not interested in that. They're
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: only interested in their version of fiction, which is vindication
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: fiction and didactic identity or sorry, didactic intersectional Ziggorot fiction
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: and the and they keep pushing it and killing their market.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: And the reason why it is so stark in the
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: publishing industry is because people like this control every single
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: lever and you don't have to actually be talented to
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: make these stories these books. Occasionally I come across women
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: who've been published in this industry complaining about how they
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: don't get the kind of publication like publishing push from
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: the Big six that they thought they deserved, And I'm like, no, actually,
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: you shouldn't have been published in the first place. The
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: only reason you got published is likely because you whatever
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: crap you put out and his crap struck a nerve
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: with this with these the awful gatekeepers in the publishing industry,
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: and they should have rejected it because it was bad,
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: but they published it because it hit their boxes. And
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: you don't deserve a push you don't deserve public You
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: don't deserve any publicity. And I would like to remind
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: every author's been published in this stupid system that the
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: mid list never got publicity twenty thirty years ago. They
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: never the Big five, the Big six didn't hold the
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: hands of authors twenty thirty years ago. They didn't give
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: them tours, they didn't try to put them in book talk.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: You know, they did nothing. And these books sold through
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: word of mouth because they were good. And this stuff
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: is not good. Men don't like it, women don't like it,
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: little small furry creatures from but then so Alpha centauris
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: sure as hell don't like it. Nobody likes it except
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: the awfuls. And even the awfuls don't like it.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: I'm guarantee they probably don't read it. They want it
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: out there, but they don't read it.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: If you asked an awful, okay, what's your favorite book,
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: of course they would trot out one of these abominations,
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: but I guarantee they didn't read it. Okay, let's keep going, all.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: Right, let's get into some more time codes, okay, and
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: just you know.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: After that, when you see.
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: Co co Studio devs or you see colleagues who you've
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: gotten to know and you respect their work and you
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: appreciate your day and day out work that you do
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: with them. They try and say something to say, hey,
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: I don't this is not how that's going. Sweet Baby
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: doesn't make the rules. They suggest a lot of things.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: But well, that's interesting because that that video that you
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: showed would Brian suggests that sweet Baby may not make
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: the rules, but they sure as hell enforced the fear
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: of breaking them.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like, you know how, it's almost like
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: they used proxies so they can point to the proxies
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: and say, well, we didn't do that. They use the
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying. So like, if if a
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: woman convinces her the man that she's cheating on her
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: husband with, to kill her husband and he does it,
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: and then the police come looking, she'd be like, well,
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: I didn't do it. He did that. I'm not involved
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: with what he decides to do. He's a grown ass man.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: So I mean, Cookie Mangler says, yeah, Cookie Angler says,
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: I prefer pecker.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: People penish people. Yeah, pecker people. That's kind of right,
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: no pun intended. I don't want that.
• 54:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Okay, of any of this Okay, maybe don't do that.
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: Then they get the dog pile of harassment and hate.
• 55:08
  Speaker 5: And the hate and harassment I think is a larger conversation,
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: I think, even outside of games.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: But you just expect people hate your word.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but no, she is playing it. This is beyond games.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: So that means that on some level she recognizes that
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: this pushback is everywhere, that there are people that are
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: like h and it's and a lot of it. Most
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: of it, in fact, is just people not supporting them,
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: Like the overall majority of the pushback is people just
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: not supporting them, not going to the movies to watch
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: their shit, not like canceling their subscription services, not buying
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: their games, not reading their books. And then they're telling
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: other people this is why I don't like this, and
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: their friends are like, oh, thanks for the heads up,
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: I will also not support that, and they're saying this
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: is harassment because they don't. They want to control what
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: you consume and they want to force it on you.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: But they can't do that yet. They can't make state
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: sponsored you know, content. Although a lot of the books
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: that I think get that supposed to go to the
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: market and fail, they actually a lot of them end
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: up in libraries, so they they end up getting used anyways,
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: and they're just paid for by tax dollars. Now, that's
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: what happened with comics. For example, a lot of the
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: comics that were failed, the person behind putting those out
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: in Marvel. Her name was Sana Amanat. She was like
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: friends with the Obamas, and she was a narrative designer,
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: which is essentially like editor in chief at Marvel Comics.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: And she was putting in all this woke shit like
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: mis Marvel. And when she was interviewed about this, she said,
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: the sales don't matter. It's about it's about making an impact.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: And while that sounds ridiculous, then you learn that most
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: of the books that she pushed out there, it didn't
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: matter if they succeeded or not in the comics because
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: they ended up in libraries, and they ended up in
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: school libraries. So the students, if you're like, well, you
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: go to the library, you got to read something, and
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: all that's there is this garbage, then the kids are
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: going to read it because that's all there is. So
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: there's it's just like getting It's another way to get
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: to the kids at the end of the day. Right,
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: So it's about the message exactly about.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: Fallas Oh yeah, it's pretty good. Yeah, it's not people
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: packer people, Fallis Folk. The Fallas Folk is actually pretty
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: good because it's it's it's like it's like you know
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: that that you find them in the woods in like
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: a a mushroom circle and U it's it's uh, yeah,
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: I like I like the one that one, The Fallis Folk.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: The packer people is a little bit I don't want
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: to say aggressive, a little more crude. Yeah, Fallis Folk
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: really emphasizes like they're they're a culturally different entity.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: Big dudes, dick dudes, the uh, the Fallus Fellowship, the
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: falls Okay.
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: That amount of eyes and that amount of hate on
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: you and you have to really think about it, and
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: you have to still keep working and you stuff to
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: do the thing that you're doing because you think.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: You know, I just want to point something out. You remember,
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: like on Monday, we talked about what's going on in Minnesota,
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: and we pointed out that a whole butt like men
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: are being targeted. Let's let's face it, there's there's apparently
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: also Hispanic being men being targeted.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: Now, Brian, well, a lot of the guys that work
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: at ICE A minority men, yes, a lot.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's so there's Hispanic men that have been
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: targeted by these groups because apparently Hispanic man wore a
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: blazer that made him look like he might be ICE.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: I believe that's what happened. So men are being targeted
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: by these crowds. I mean, in particular, it seems like
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: they have they're a particular demographic that they prefer, but
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: in general, it's men they're being targeted by these crowds,
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: by these lynch mobs. And I just want to point
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: out that these women are doing the same thing. They've
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: constructed a black category around CIS head or sorry, white
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: CIS men, well, sorry, masculine male men. They've constructed a
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: category around that, and they have cast them in and
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: they are encouraging this kind of demonization of that group
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: that right now is getting men in Minnesota targets targeted
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: for violence. That's what these people are doing now. They
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: may not be the origin originators of the original threat
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: narrative against men, but they sure as hell are employing
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: it in an incredibly selfish way to cover their own malfeasance.
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: Because you deserve of hate if you try to target
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: people for doing something they have every right to do.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: You try to dox them, you try to get their
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: accounts shut down. Right, you deserve hate for that, lady,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: And now you are using some kind of narrative of
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: harassment and threat to evade the fact that your behavior
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: is hateful and deserves people saying that it's hateful and
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: they don't like you for it. Right, you just get
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: But it's all contributes.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: It all contributes to the same narrative that's getting men
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: targeted in Minnesota, and no doubt, as this conflagration of
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: absolute nonsense increases, men will be targeted everywhere. We're going
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: back to lynching culture everyone. Yay, all right, okay.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: Improving the games that you work on, like genuinely, and.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: So they just presume that it's automatically an improvement what
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: they're doing. They're just improving games, objectively improving them. Why
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: don't you like it? You must believe in conspiracy theories.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I think that's the best way that I
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 5: can sum it up.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: I yeah, you did a good job. You did a
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: good job speaking it up.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 5: The the.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: Troll language that needs to be used here of what's
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: going on is that Yeah, white men, Sis, white men
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: were not interested in the work that sweet Baby put
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: into for something that was already created, like we talked
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: about earlier, right, Like that's right people.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: Sis, white men. Yeah, male sorry, masculine male men, masculine malemen.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: Because as we know, white is a synonym for masculine,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: sis is a synonym for male, and man is man.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: You know, whye masculine mailmen es what she's saying. Masculine
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: mailmen did not appreciate what they did with the games
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: they were a part of. And because it was masculine
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: male men who didn't like it, that judgment is obviously wrong.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: That's how it works, right, you just say, oh, it's
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: it's masculine malemen who are judging whatever thing I'm up to,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: whether it's a gigantic network of bureaucratic graft, or it
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: is constantly pushing validation stories in the publishing industry that
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: nobody wants, or it's you're a sweet Baby Inc. Consultant
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: who's destroying the actual game, like destroying games. It doesn't
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: matter if you cast your critics and the people judging
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: you as masculine and male men, then you remove the
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: legitimacy of all oversight, and even if it's women saying
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: it and then saying I'm not interested in the stuff
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: that sweet baby. And you gotta know that those women
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: have penises in their brain, so they are also masculine
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: male men.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: They're also dick dudes.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just dick dude puppets.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: Yep, dude dick puppets. Yes, they are puppeted by the dick.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: It controls them. Let's see uh one O five, there's
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: a bit more to this time code. Yeah, so let's
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: keep going.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: See you with them, And they were like, we just
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: don't want to see minorities.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: Again, Like this is like a ridiculous claim because again,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: like most of the people against this are minority men.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: But they're taking a hobby that is inherently male. Sorry
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: it is, women play games too, but it's still they're
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: basically visiting a space and they're saying, we got to
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: change it. And then when the guys are like, you know,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: do what you want with your games, like the games
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: that you guys control, but just we don't like what
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: you're doing to the stuff that we have been playing
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: for like decades, and they're like, oh, I see you're
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: just being white men right now, you know maculine men. Yeah,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: you're not. They don't call you, they don't kill you
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: because you're white. They call you white, so they can
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: kill you at the end of the day.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: They don't want to see minorities and they they.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: They they are min artists, Like, what is the thing
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: the minority men don't like your book, your games either.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: But that's but again, when they say white, they mean masculine.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: When they say cis, they mean male, and when they
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: say men they mean men. At least that completely honest.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: Right, Whites literally are a global minority.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: But go ahead, But but so they that when they
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: say white cis men, they mean all men, all of
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: them mm hmm. In fact, even when when when you're
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: talking about like a flaming gay man, they mean him too,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: him too, and thumboys they mean them too. So even
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: what you might consider not masculine men, they also mean
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: that as long as they agree, as long as they
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: are being judged by them, right, they as long as
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: they share the same beliefs as the CIS white, cis hetman,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: they are in fact in that category. Doesn't matter, doesn't
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: matter if you're you're your fem It doesn't matter if
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: you're a minority, it doesn't matter if you're a woman.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: You are all We are all white CIS men, all
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: of us, all all of us.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: It's like a Spartacus moment.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we are all so we're all sis white men.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: All right. There's a little bit more like than this one.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: The ability they don't have the ability to cancel someone
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: who is like Remedy or you know, like an Ubisoft
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: or something like that, and they really don't have the
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: ability to cancel.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: That's hilarious. Do you guys know how much money Ubisoft
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: is losing right now? Do you like they're saying these
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: white guys can't cancel Remedy or Ubisoft, those like massive companies,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: So they come after the little people, us widow women's
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: with our widow widow game studios. But Ubisoft is losing
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: money hand over fist, like they they're they're tanking hard.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: They closed studios. Do you know why? Because the same
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: gamers that didn't like what Sweet Baby Inc. Was Doing
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: to indie games also didn't like what Ubisoft was doing
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: with their games, and they were like, you know, we're
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: not gonna give you our money. Anymore. So it's hilarious
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: and she thinks they're that they're punching down the gamers,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: the consumers, the people who actually have like the the
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: ultimate power is in the person who pays for stuff,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: and those people, yes, they do have the power. So
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: they're literally starving Ubisoft right now. But anyway, yeah, they're
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: getting sued, they're losing money. They got to close studios down.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: They've closed down one just last week. It was like
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: one of the studios that makes mobile games for them.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: And you might say, well, mobile games aren't, but they're
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: they're losing money obviously, you know, and that Blackrock money
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: they were getting, that cheap Blackrock money is running out
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: too because all the stuff that you know, they were
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: supposed to use it on, like Assassins cree Shadows did
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: not pay off. So yeah, that Ubisoft might be gone
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: like soon. But anyway, let's see one oh five, there's
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: like ten seconds left from this.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: They thought, because they could count on their fingers and
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: toes how many people work at Stop Baby Ink, that
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: they could.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: Like you you you.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: You, and like you said, I think you know, it's
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: really it's really best.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: Another piece of.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, you're just being targeted. Huh yeah, Look, look could
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: you show that other clip where she says, if they
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: don't know what we want, terrify them. You're being targeted,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: are you? Guys? You're just the widow, widow, helpless creature.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: Will you that?
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 5: What?
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: Will you?
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 5: All?
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: Right? This is Kimberlair again, CEO of Sweet Baby In.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 6: Stuff up to your higher ups and if they don't
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 6: see the value and what you're asking for when you
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 6: ask for consultants, when you ask for research, go have
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 6: a coffee with your marketing team and just terrify them
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 6: with the possibility of what's going to happen if they
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 6: don't give you what you want because they have to consume.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: They're so widow. They're just widow, widow, widdle, innocent women's
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: just frolicking in a meadow. And then suddenly the shadow
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: of gamer gate too all over the Yeah, you guys,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: sat you set the means of engagement. No, don't now
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: that you are losing. Don't don't start crying about how
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: you are weak and little. You wanted to use intimidation
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: to get what you wanted and now people are pushing
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: back on that, bully.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: That's it. They just pushed back, and they just said, look,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: we know what you're doing. We think this is trash
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: and we're not giving you our money. And they're like,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: you can't do that. Actually we can, because despite your criticisms,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: and despite you know that the fact that our economy
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: isn't quite a free market, people still can make choices
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: with their money and there's absolutely nothing you can do
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: about that. Albatross gave us a super chat thank you
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: and says for not liking straight white guys, they sure
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: do depend on their opinion for their business to survive. Weird.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: Huh uh. Yeah, they need those because those men buy
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: their shit. Those those suppose that, those male masculine men,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: they depend on their money. So so they're like, well,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: how do we get them to buy our stuff? I know,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: we'll shame and attack them and then claim that they're
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: attacking us. So we're gonna appeal to the thing that
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: we think hates us to buy our shit.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: Well, because they also have to be informed how to
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: be right, because that's what you want when you're playing
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: a game. You want a herodon to tell you that
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: you should be uncomfortable with yourself and hate yourself. And
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: if you don't want to feel that way, you should
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: do everything they say and give them money.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: Yep, all right, this is the next time code where
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: they talk about oh yeah, this is interesting. This is
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: super projection right here.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: That part sucks because you guys are not.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 4: Strangers to harassment and like racism, Like you're not oblivious
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: that those things are happening, happening, and they also how
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: much more in the gaming industry and so you know,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 4: to have to be doing this work for so long, yeah,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 4: to be doing this work for so long, and then
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: for some people to get start up right in like
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: their private safe community spaces of their echo chambers, like
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: for them to get start up enough to like then
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: and you don't.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: You guys, you guys realize that you're the ones in
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: echo chambers. You are in the echo chamber, guys, did
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: you know that?
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 5: Not?
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: Then they got their finger on the pulse of the world.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: They know exactly what gamers want, and it's gay trands,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: disabled spider people, that's what they want, and you are
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: in your echo chamber not learning that reality. Again, Please
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: buy our stuff. We're shitting all over you and everything
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: you are and your identity as men, but we want
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: you to buy our stuff otherwise to prove that you're
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: not a chud. All right, I'll.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 4: Keep going to do this, I think is what's irritating,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 4: because I was really excited when gamers started to work
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 4: together to like, you know, the game game stop.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: Stocks, right, I was like, we have the power.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, excited when we got them to change Sonic, you know, like, yes,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: we do, you know, with great power.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: So they're the same people. They're the same ones that
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: that got Sonic the Hedgehog redesigned for the movie and
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: and did the Wall Street bets. Is that what she
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: means by the game stop thing? But okay, that wasn't
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: a feminist thing. But anyway, yeah, you know what I mean.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 4: And so like we we we have the buying power,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 4: we have influence, we have say, we have authority.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, it's like yeah,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: but like I'm gonna say it, all right, let.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: Me pause it here for a second. Yes, we have
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: the buying power. That's That's the thing that you don't
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: like is that we're exercising it not to support you
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day. Isn't this what happened
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: in Occupy Wall Street? Wasn't let like the thing where
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: Occupy Wall Street was like a bunch of people that
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: essentially did not like the sort of relationship between these
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: like you know Wall Street people and like businesses and
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: how it was hurting Americans. And you had like people
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: there that actually had like legitimate criticisms, and then you
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: had feminists there trying to make it about them and
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: that's what this is. And they're also claiming, well, your
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: victory is our victory. So you know they're doing this
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: Like we were there when Wall Street bets was going
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: on and you guys were like, you know, buying up
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: the game stop stock or whatever. We were there when
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: you know, the Sonic the Hedgehog trailer came out and
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: Sonic looked like a Nightmare fuel, and you guys got
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: him to be got them to change it to the
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: original design. We were there in the trenches with you. Now,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: why aren't you here in the trenches with us when
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: we're trying to destroy your ips that you love so much?
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: Because because you're also you're the people who would have
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: who would have kept Sonic the way he was in
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: the eyes of the of the gamers. That's why, because
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: you're because the reason why just using the Sonic thing
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: as an example, the reason why do you you know
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: about the Sonic the Hedgehog thing, right, Allison?
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: Or no, yes, I do, I remember that contract the movie.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: So the movie, they released the original design and it
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: looked awful and you can still find means of it.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: But the gamers were like, this is not the character
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: from the proper, the original property. This is completely off
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: the mark. It looks horrible, okay, And so the studio
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: could have responded one a two way. They could have said,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: go fuck yourself and release it anyway, which well probably
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: would have killed them, or they could have responded and said,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: let's fix it, and they fixed it. They fixed it
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: because the gamer said, this doesn't look like the character
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: that we fell in love with that we wanted to
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: see represented on screen. You have altered the cannon by
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: altering the design, by making it ugly. Fix it, And
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: so they did. They actually listened to the audience. They
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: didn't complain, they didn't call them sexists or racist or homophobes.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: They fixed the sonic design and then they released a film,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: and I guess it did well enough that there were
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: three movies made, and they just stuck to their guns
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: for the whole thing listening to the fans, and what
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: these people are claiming is that what they're doing is
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: in line with that which is absolutely not because they
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: have taken franchises and properties that people have loved and
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: they have changed them in the same way that the
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: studios originally tried to change Shank the Head Hedgehog. And
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: then they're claiming that they're making it better because it
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: includes their particular worldview, which is again only to satisfy
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: themselves and their ego and their moral posturing. It has
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: nothing to do with whatever groups they're trying to protect
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: or you know, cape for And they're claiming that, I
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: don't know, like that for some reason you opposing them,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: is you going like you're like bucking this trend of
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: like gamers working together. Well, gamers aren't in lockstep. We're
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: in lockstet with one thing and that's the truth and
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: that's what we like. Right So anyway, Bert Dagg says,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: you don't like the new Sonic, you're stuck in the past, bigot. Exactly.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: They would do that though, like if they inmates, you know,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: they would they would they would absolutely do that.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: Well, they what they do is they have the same playbook.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: They just cast any kind of criticism as masculine male madness.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: It's just mask the male man. That's it. That's all
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: they do. They just screech like the body snatchers, and
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: then everybody, all of the pod people come and be like, oh, Mal,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: I've got to care you smash mail like that's all
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: they do now, They just and And this is everywhere, ironically,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: it's even in criticisms of like commodity price distortion, like
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: in the silver market, like they they call the people
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: who are calling them out their criticism of the U,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: the Billiam Banks or and the market itself, that's that's
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: creating this manipulation. They call them in cranks and conspiracy theorists.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: And it's all very coded, male coded language, because once
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: you code someone as being male adjacent or mail, then
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: suddenly everything they say, including all of their criticism of
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: your shady business practices or your crappy product, becomes suspect
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: and you don't have to engage with it legitimately because
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: you're not being criticized by people who know what they're
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: talking about, or one percent have a priori knowledge of
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: what they like. You're talking to a bunch of mas.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: And we all know that males don't have the right
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: to judge anything. They don't have a right to their
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: own opinion on what they like. They just like what
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: women tell them to, right, and what in particular feminist
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: women tell them too. And that's it. You don't even
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: like It's like, oh, I see this repeatedly over and
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: over again. When someone wants to not have to engage
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: with criticism, they call it male or the one of
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: the many synonyms for their black category, conspiracy, theorist, crank,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: paranoid guns and golden guns, prepper. All of these things
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: are male coded. And that's the point. Once you code
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: your criticism is mail, it's illegitimate. Yep, yep, because any
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: kind of authority, any kind of authority, illegitimate, patriarchal control,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: it is no.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: Fans twenty one gave us a rubble ramp for a
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: dollar and said, I remember there being an article saying
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: about how control concerning it was that studios were listening
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: to matuds all over Sonic's improved design. Now it makes sense,
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: Ugly Sonic was SBI's baby. Yeah, well again, it was
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: listening to the fans that they that people were lamenting
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: and it's because there they feel like there that there
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: are people.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: Who uh was ugly Sonic SBI's baby.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: No, No, it wasn't. He's making a joke. He's saying
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: that they would have supported it hypothetically because if it
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: comes from their minds, they would have supported unequivocally. And
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: if you would criticize it, yes, because they were saying that.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: But I think it came down to the principle of
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: but wait, if you listen to the fans, they might
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: ask for more things, you know, and or.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: Or the fans might defy the moral the moral hierarchy
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: that these people want to construct. They are on top
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: and the fans receive their wisdom and shut the fuck up.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: Like it's like that. Way back when we did in
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: like twenty thirteen, we did Anita will Absolve You of It.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: We did a stream that was about this kind of
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: confessional as applied to the gamer culture, and it was
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: it featured Anita and it was like saying, to Anita
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: will absolve you of your sins gamers, And that's exactly
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: what this is. They want to be at the pulpit
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: telling you how to believe, how to believe, what to believe,
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: how to behave, how to live, and what to buy.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: And if you have the audacity to say that your
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: own preferences, your preferences as a man or as a
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: male adjacent, you have the audacity to say that your
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: preferences should be catered to and that you shouldn't have
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: to be lectured to, Well, well that's just harassment. That
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: is exactly proof that sweet baby inc is needed even
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: more than ever. And also you should be docsed, you
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: should get your counter moved, you should get your games seized. Ah,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: you should lose your job. Maybe should get some false
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: accusations against you. Maybe should be swatted oops, maybe you
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: should be beaten to death in on the street.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: Well, if any of those things leads to a beating,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: it's probably deserved, right, Yeah.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: I've probably deserved. Shouldn't have been male and mail adjacent,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: shouldn't have been you'd male or male accessories or male accessorized. Okay,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: all right, let's keep going.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: She's gonna say it is what she said.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 4: White men are going to white men at the end
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 4: of the day, and they're like, yeah, like we're we
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 4: just to let you know who's in charge around.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 3: Here, Like yeah, you know, and I think.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: Hello, Like I think white men are gonna white men
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: just to let you know who's in charge. Okay, so
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: let's just let's just say that you're talking about just
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: men in general.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: Well, when they mean, as we have discovered when we
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: investigated the word white, white means masculine, Like that's literally
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: whiteness or cultural whiteness or whatever the hell, because I assume, well,
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: maybe they are bio essentialists that just want to get
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: rid of Caucasian people, but I assume it's a cultural
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: thing that they're condemning. Well, when you look at what
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: they condemn about white people, culturally, it's just masculinity. So
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: when they say white.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: When you look at the Smithsonian, the thing in the
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: Smithsonian about whiteness, it's all male coded stuff. It's all
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: male stuff that they're just whiteness because they're trying to
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: like basically make men, make men of other races more
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: feminized by attaching whiteness to masculagy to whiteness, or they're.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: Trying to ensure that they can continue to condemn men
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: of other races by attaching what men do to whiteness
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: to their black categories, so they can, you know, beat
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: up latinos in Minnesota too.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: That's sure.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: It's not about who they they help, it's about who
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: they get to spit on, who they get to condemn,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: who they get to lynch. And of course they're making
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: it very plain right here who it is masculine men,
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: and by masculine, that also includes them and flaming men,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: because they, let's face it, it just concludes men and
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: men adjacent like me and yeah.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, I think I I think I don't. I've
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 5: never known this, uh the universe, but I think I
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 5: could get the.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: The Oh wait, actually I do have an insight here.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: Do you notice how they've taken their audience and any
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: audience criticism, reduced it down to masculine male men, And
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: now they're essentially saying that it's illegitimate because it's patriarchal control.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: That's what they just did. Like if we go back,
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: she said, you know, white men got a white man, right.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: Yea, and in charge. That's what she said.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: That is basically saying patriarchy. So essentially this all come
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: down to our male audience has no right to complain
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: about the crap we're putting out that nobody likes because
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: patriarchy and patriarchy is illegitimate. Therefore, any male oversight, even
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: when it comes to male consumers consuming the product we
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: put out, any mail oversight is illegitimate. You see how
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: this works?
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 7: Yes, patriarchy Okay, yeah, okay, games where everybody looks like
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 7: you and relates to you and has a lifestyle, and
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 7: then that starts to change.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: And you're going whoa, Like you're going whoa. I think
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: I can understand maybe the shock or like the change.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: They're smashing patriarchy, guys, they're smashing patriarchy.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is also well, I'll let her finish her argument,
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: but this is like one we've heard a million times,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: and she's bactingly. She just she just uncovered it. Well
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: she's yes, she's making he thinks she's making an argument.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 5: Yes, But as soon as we go aggressive, or we
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 5: go rage, or we go hate, I'm like, okay, well.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 3: I get it. Don't know what to do. I don't
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 3: know what to do with that.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 5: And we're talking about all within the context of the
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 5: world and what the world has worked, and how racism
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 5: and classism and all of those things have worked.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: That just exists in our world, whether we like it
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: or not.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: Racism and classism. Again, both of those things are just
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: buttressing their narrative that men are wrong.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: And that articular it's just it's just hierarchy based on merit.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: He's just giving it a classism to is amize it.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: He's is amizing everything. But yeah, it just means that
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: some people. Yeah, but that doesn't exist, Alison, like, like
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: they're okay, obviously there exists people who have a lot
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: and it's unearned, but there's nothing that can be done
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: about that. But ultimately what what most people just like
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: exist in a hierarchy of like you you get in
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: what you put, what you get out what you put in,
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: and they're the obstacles that exist are usually coming from
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: the state, which is that the If there's a complaint
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: to be had about classism, that would be it. But
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: these people they have no problem with the government. They
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: love the government. They want the government to do everything
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: for them, so their state is so they're never going
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: to see the state itself as part of the problem.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: So instead it's people that are just like they just believe,
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: you know, in the general sentiment of hierarchy, like there
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: are people who are better at things than you, and
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: that's okay. Like there are people who are more wise,
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: that are that have more experience, that are not better skill,
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: that are stronger, that are taller, that are faster, that
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: have more money or whatever, right, and and that's just
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: the reality, Like there's there are people who are lots
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: of people who are better than me and a lot
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: of different things, and then there are some people who
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: I might be better than at things too, But that's
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: just life. And these people hate that. They hate that
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: because the they're not up. They want a world that's
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: what they would call fair, but what they want to
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: do is flatten everything. So they just criticize hierarchy and
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: they call it classism. And the thing is, men in
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: particular are fine with hierarchy. In fact, they think it's
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: probably important because if you want to get anything done,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: you have to know who's good at what and who
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: sucks at what, so that we don't put the right person, well,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: we don't put the wrong person in the wrong place
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: to keep society going. And these people don't believe in
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: that because they live in a bubble where everything is
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: provided for them and they take it off for granted.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, look at her window. She looks like she
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: lives out in the fucking mountains somewhere with a terrific view,
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: and she's complaining about being impressed by men. You know,
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: so she's probably like really doing well. And I think
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: that only someone who could be doing really well could
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: complain so easily that other people are also doing well. Anyway,
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: so I have time code eight thirty five. Yeah, so
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: a little bit, this one is almost over.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: I just don't get that.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And going back, she said you were used
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: to like seeing talking about these gamers, that they were
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: like seeing only themselves in games for all time, and
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: that now it's changed and they're upset. This is another
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: ridiculous feminist argument. No one ever had a problem with
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: that in games, Like that's always been in games. I
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: remember when games? What what? What does pac Man represent?
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: Who is he representing? Is he representing Asians because he's yellow?
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: Is he representing people that don't have arms or legs
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: or torso and they're just like a mouth that opens
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: and closes? Is that what he's representing? Do I? I
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: don't feel represented by pac Man? Why haven't I boycotted
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: or banned it? Like what about when you're playing? Like
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm ex supposing my age here, Space Invaders,
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: you are literally just a little like a ground based
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: ship that shot at aliens. I don't know who was
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: piloting it. I don't know what their pronouns were. I
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: don't have a problem with that. But they're trying to
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: imply that we have a problem, and it's projection. They're
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: the ones that have a problem. They're the ones that
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: don't want them want to see more of themselves and everything.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: And it's not even because they care about these minority groups.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: It's because they're narcissists. They need to see them. Like,
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: if you look at everything that Sweet Baby Inc Has
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: worked on, there is a self insert character in every
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: one of the games they've worked on. Skim bel Air
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: has put a self insert of herself. That's the woman
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: who said who this woman right here? She has self
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: inserted herself into almost every game they've worked on. Is
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: that representation for women or.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: Is that just her?
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: That's just her? Okay, and these people are just kicking
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: for that.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: No, there's RPGs where you could literally make something that
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: it's not good enough.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: No they don't know Okay, no, okay, how many time? Well,
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: I mean it only with RPGs where you can make
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: your own character. The only ones that are allowed are
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: the ones that allow you to have one hundred different
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: levels of vite Lago, because that's like the thing now
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: is vide Lago. Did you know that, Alison? You have
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: to have your your you know, your dark elf like
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: wizard with Videlago covering ninety percent of their body. Otherwise
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: somebody out there with Videlago is gonna feel like not
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: represented or seen. And we have to make sure that
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: all the Videlago people are in all the video games.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: That's how ridiculous this is gotten. That's how ridiculous it's gotten. Okay,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: Like people are, where's where's my albino like dwarf?
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 5: At? Like?
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: I want? I want to be able to play an
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: albino dwarf and I'm not seeing albina albinism as an option.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: Do you know the you know albino's that I know
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: that play video games do not want to see albino's
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: the game. Do you know that? Yeah? I know it
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: sounds crazy. They'd rather just escape their reality and make
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: something else, but no, these people don't work that way.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: They want to force you to experience yourself. You know,
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: like I used to. There was a woman she was
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: like wheelchair bound. Her name was Shannon, and I think
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: I had her on the show way back in the
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: day a couple of times. She is like very crippled, okay,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: and she would call herself a cripple, So I'm not
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: like using it disparagingly. She doesn't want to play games
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: that have where she plays a cripple. She wants to
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: be able to like play some shit where you're playing
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: like parkour and you're free running and shit. Is that
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: a wild idea? But these people would say, no, you
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: have these traits. You have to be you in everything.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: You're not allowed to try something else. This is like sick,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: but this is what they do. Okay. Anyway, I'm sorry
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: I went on a little bit of a rent there.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: Thirty eight.
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  Speaker 2: Selling sple and d R is teeled there. Yeah, oh okay,
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  Speaker 2: he says, if it's a logo, privilege needs to end.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: Exema suffers deserve representation?
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: Now is it ezema or.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: How about the diabetes, the diabetes suffering diabetes represent Yeah,
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: the diabetes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's go. This is the next one.
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  Speaker 3: How many more?
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  Speaker 2: How many more?
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: I got a I can skip one.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: Okay, I mean I assume that you have to go pick.
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  Speaker 1: Up I do you have to go soon? Let me
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: jump ahead to one sixteen.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, my browser has done something weird. It's like put.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: They're fatigued from all the racism and homophobia and stuff.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: So I think I'll I think I'll jump ahead just
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: to save them.
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  Speaker 5: One.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, how about the flat foots. You know, I'm one
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: of those like we we should we should get representation.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, there should be like there should be like
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: a foot strain uh meror on on games you max
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: out to stirt the hobble.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like like whatever.
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  Speaker 4: Bro, if they would have let them call likes like
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 4: too exhausted like and I think like on top of that,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 4: minority is already exhausting, so maybe they.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: Just issues going Yeah, I don't agree.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: You guys are exhausting. I'm exhausted. Yeashaus is exhausted. The
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: void CAT is You've exhausted the void CAT. The void.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: The void must now take a nap.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: If we if we like going on this road of
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: representing everything that we're not going to have anything. It's
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: just it's no, they're they're and these people by the
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: way for them being really against hierarchies. They don't They're
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: not really against hierarchy. They just want they want to
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: invert it, well at least what they perceive as it.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: They want it inverted.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 5: But okay, anyway, one sixteen For me, the other thing
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 5: that it gets me down sometimes is like I do
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 5: see I do see friends, I do see people just
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 5: random people on the internet. I see influencers, I just
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 5: existing both online and offline. I see how much positive positivity,
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 5: like just genuine like happiness or joy or being feel
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 5: being heard or feeling like they've been seen and represented
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 5: in the media in media, like, we know how powerful
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 5: that is.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: We all do, right, And and no, I.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: Don't buy it. You're mentally weak. If that's like your
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: whole your whole existence hinges on that, I think you're weak.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, especially especially gamers like it. Just we all
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 5: know how nice it is to see yourself in a
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 5: player in different ways, and so you are telling people
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 5: that they don't deserve ever to feel heard or seen
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 5: when you act that way. And that one mind blowing
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 5: to me and also really infuriating because it's just something
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 5: that like I've been playing games since I could I
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 5: don't know since my brain would let me to literally,
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 5: and I really really like them, and I don't want
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 5: all of them to be one.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: No, you don't, No, you don't. If you did, then
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: you would care about those the at least the popular
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: franchises that built They were built by supportive financially and
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: the culture built around them by the men you are demonizing.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: So you don't actually like video games, you don't.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: If you want to, like, make your own little woke
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: bullshit game and support it, go ahead. No one's going
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: to stop you. But don't get mad if it doesn't sell.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: That's all. You're lying, and it pisses me off. You're lying.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: You don't actually like this shit. You are caping and
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: you're and you're trying to You're impugning people for stuff
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: that I think is extremely unfair. Oh, my narcissistic friends
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: in my circle, they really like seeing themselves and things
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: because like they'd have a mental breakdown if they didn't.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: And that's not a them problem, obviously, it's a problem
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: of the entire world not putting them front and center
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: in everything. And when somebody says, actually, I don't think
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: that's a good idea, well, that person's a problem because
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: they didn't basically like, pander completely to my narcissistic best
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: friend who needs to see themselves in everything like that's pathetic.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: It's pathetic beyond words.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: Yes, anyway, Yeah, I'm I'm just dealing with the cat
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: like I'm being the cat really loves me and I'm
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: suffering for it.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: I'm saying that, Yeah, if you really like these games,
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: then you would you would understand that there is an
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: integrity that there's that's there to protect. But you don't.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: That's how I know you don't like them. Now, if
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: it was like a new idea that hadn't been done yet,
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: I then that's and that's a different story, and I
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: frankly don't care. But it probably won't do well because
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: when you have a progressive worldview, it alters the way
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: you do everything, unfortunately. But okay, okay, anyway, let's see.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: I think I will go to one more and then
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: i'll be it. So one twenty one, maybe I can
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: just jump ahead here one. Uh, this is where they
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: talk about the difference between because I don't know if
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: you guys know, but there's nuance, the difference between constructive
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: criticism and hatred.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: I can't. I can't tell you.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 5: Sometimes I agree with that real criticism, and I want
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 5: to be clear, I don't agree with hate.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 3: I don't agree with you.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: Please don't cancel me for what I'm about to say.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: That's what she's saying.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: Any sort of critique about.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: Like I'm about to step out of line a little.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 5: Bit, this person being a race or like whatever, right,
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 5: Like when I'm talking about a genuine critique about like
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 5: I didn't think this part was fun. You're allowed to
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 5: think that, right, Or like you're allowed to say like
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 5: thank you. You know what when these two characters were
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 5: talking like it just it just didn't pull me like
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 5: I wanted it to. Yeah, that's okay, right, Like I
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 5: could sometimes agree with that a lot of the time.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 3: That's that's I think like where I'd rather the disc.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 4: Because right, and that necessarily the artist, which I don't
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 4: believe in separating.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: Well, you're you're actually straw manning because most people are
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: not as necessarily concerned about the representation, particularly in games
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: in which you could play anything. You could play a dwarf,
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: you could play a dragon, Like why would people even
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: be concerned about this? What's concerning them is your priorities
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: are making the work suck, right, and you can't criticize
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: how it sucks and separate it from your priorities, because
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: it is indeed your priorities that are making the work suck.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: Just like in the publishing industry, the awful's priorities are
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: making the work suck because they are pushing work that sucks,
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: and they The thing is that these women do not
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: know what is good, and they do not know what
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: is good because they have replaced merit with emotion. It
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: makes them feel morally superior. That must be good. Okay, Well,
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: the dialogue that makes you feel more morally superior to
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: your audience, your audience doesn't appreciate it, and it doesn't
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: appreciate it for the very thing that makes you feel
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: morally superior about it. You see what I'm saying.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: Yes, Like, it's like.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: The problem is the didacticism, which means the problem is
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: the ideology you're trying to shove into pep into it.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: It isn't just pure merit, right because because where the
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: problems start, where the merit starts to drift, is exactly
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: where you're trying to shove ideology in.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 3: Mm hm.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: And you're trying to make it didactic because it's emotionally comfortable.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: For you.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: Rather than pursuing merit. And people know that. So basically,
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: she's just said, while you can, you can criticize me
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: based on merit, but I'm going to continue to subordinate
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: merit to the message and you can't criticize that. Well,
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: then they can't criticize your lack of merit because your
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: message is causing it. Your need to push it in
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: there is causing the lack of merit. They can't identify
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: the cause because you have said that is illegitimate. Well,
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: unfortunately for you, you don't get to decide what an
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: illegitimate criticism is, thank god, at least not yet, not
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: until the social credit score tied to these women's emotions
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: about reality or terrifying dystopia. Yeah, they just have a
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: minority point report too, and it's all just these women
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: credits store. Your credit score is tied into an AI
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: simulation of these women's appreciation and sense of self righteousness.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: So every action that you take is going to be
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: filtered through whether or not it makes these women feel
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: good and self righteous, and that's gonna be your credit score.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: There you go, that's a dystopia. I don't even think
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: that dystopia has been written. It's one someone could right.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: There, you go.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: Everything is filtered through the emotions of women like these everything,
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: so you won't get you won't get credit because you
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: made one of these women feel bad. Jeezus. I think
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: I overemphasized getting nia in the picture here it's hello, Okay,
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know he moved away.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: Don't go back to your bed. Go it's hot in here.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: He probably wanted to get off his bed get back.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: I think that's basically it. I mean, she basically like
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: reiterates the whole Oh you know, they're criticizing the artists
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: and not the art, which is again bullshit mm hmm.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: But uh yeah, I think we can like end it here.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: So I gotta go pick up Lindsay. So oh I said, okay, sorry, yeah,
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: let me see.
• 1:44:04
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• 1:44:30
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