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#680 - Paul Wall Talks Houston Culture, Grillz, Swisha House, Kanye West, Pimp C, Chamillionaire & More · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

• 0:03
  Speaker 1: All right man.
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  Speaker 2: Boutlet Cap Podcast, bout Let Cap Show Jaminary five seven.
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  Speaker 2: We in San Diego backstage at SeaWorld with my brother
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  Speaker 2: Paul Wall Baby. Of course you've been doing a lot
• 0:15
  Speaker 2: of these, these SeaWorld shows, be going crazy, but.
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, many went viral.
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  Speaker 2: People camping out on the on the island looking at
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  Speaker 2: him from behind.
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  Speaker 3: That's crazy, man, that's crazy. It's a dope experience. First
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  Speaker 3: of all, you know, we've been in the game for
• 0:30
  Speaker 3: a long time, me and a lot of the other
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  Speaker 3: artists for performing sea World. So when you come here,
• 0:35
  Speaker 3: it's a family a venue SeaWorld. You could bring your kids.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's not gonna be nothing crazy. You know,
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  Speaker 3: it's gonna be a great show. And of course we're
• 0:44
  Speaker 3: on the water. The weather's great. You can make a
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  Speaker 3: whole day.
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  Speaker 1: Out of it. So it's really dark.
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  Speaker 3: I wish, you know, I could have went to shows
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  Speaker 3: like this when I was a kid. And it brings
• 0:53
  Speaker 3: me back to when we had Astra World. They had
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  Speaker 3: Astra World Concerts series in Houston, like New Edition. People
• 0:58
  Speaker 3: like that will come perform at ash World and it's like, man,
• 1:01
  Speaker 3: you know, it's something that has been missing for a
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  Speaker 3: while I'm glad they brought it back here one hundred percent.
• 1:05
  Speaker 2: You know, you are a part of like making a
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  Speaker 2: lot of things mainstream and hip hop. Early on, obviously
• 1:13
  Speaker 2: grills would be the main thing, and it's something that's
• 1:15
  Speaker 2: kind of stood the test of time in terms of
• 1:19
  Speaker 2: just like I mean, people are not getting perms, you
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  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like, Yeah, did you ever is
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  Speaker 2: your permanent?
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  Speaker 1: No?
• 1:25
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, you pop them out.
• 1:27
  Speaker 1: I changed them out every day of the week, depending
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  Speaker 1: on watch I'm wearing.
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  Speaker 2: And even just like you know, obviously shout out to
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  Speaker 2: DJ Screw, but like I think of like a whole
• 1:35
  Speaker 2: entire other generation that was like they came up on
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  Speaker 2: the Michael five thousand watch tapes and it's the Chopping
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  Speaker 2: Screw version of people's champ and all of those remnants.
• 1:44
  Speaker 2: You're still hearing people's albums, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: Do you feel like you get your flowers for the
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  Speaker 2: influence you've had just on like hip hop culture, because you,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's still there.
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  Speaker 3: I mean I do definitely some, but not really. But
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  Speaker 3: I mean I got allergies, so I ain't looking for
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  Speaker 3: the flowers. Yeah, I'm saying I mean, you know, I
• 2:01
  Speaker 3: really don't do it for that, especially like when it
• 2:03
  Speaker 3: comes to the grills, I kind of get forgotten or
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  Speaker 3: left out of the conversation.
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  Speaker 1: But that's fine. I didn't do it for me.
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  Speaker 3: It's for my partner, my boy Johnny, you know, and
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  Speaker 3: he definitely get to shine.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what it's all about. Man.
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  Speaker 3: I think about, you know, me selling grills and all
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  Speaker 3: the people I sold grills to it a different style
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  Speaker 3: of grills.
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  Speaker 1: Or how far we took it.
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  Speaker 3: But it was a team effort of me and Johnny,
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  Speaker 3: and that's part of why. Like you know, there were
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  Speaker 3: occasions early on, like when I was in my prime,
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  Speaker 3: first coming out, like well maybe we should change the
• 2:32
  Speaker 3: name of the store to this Johnny and Paul Paul
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  Speaker 3: and Johnny's it should it be Paul Wall's Grills. And
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  Speaker 3: I always felt like, you know, if it's too associated
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  Speaker 3: with myself or any rapper, then with the ups and downs.
• 2:45
  Speaker 2: Ups and downs of the industry for his career, maybe
• 2:47
  Speaker 2: you're indo catching a beef with somebody, Like.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want that. I don't want that to affect that,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 3: Let let the grills be its own thing and just
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  Speaker 3: to see Johnny's vision two for a lot of this.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I kind of have a you know, certain visions,
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  Speaker 3: but Johnny will see like a grandiose.
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  Speaker 1: Thing, like even at the store how it is now.
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  Speaker 3: I was absolutely cool having the kiowskin them all right,
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  Speaker 3: or having you know, linoleum tile floors, and Johnny like, nah,
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  Speaker 3: we need a Usati molding crown mode, you know, Johnny.
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  Speaker 3: So Johnny will see a vision sometimes that maybe I
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  Speaker 3: can't even see. So it's been awesome and amazing having
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  Speaker 3: a partner and to see, you know, how far Johnny's
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  Speaker 3: come to be his own personality where you know, in
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  Speaker 3: his own you know, his own branding of who he
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  Speaker 3: is for sure all reason as the Johnny.
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  Speaker 1: Hey Johnny, I'm trying to link with this rapper. Oh yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So it's been great.
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  Speaker 2: You I feel like peak, you know, let's say two
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  Speaker 2: thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, two thousand and six,
• 3:45
  Speaker 2: two thousand and five, that kind of era. What is
• 3:48
  Speaker 2: the craziest call you get where someone's in town? Is
• 3:51
  Speaker 2: there like a crazy like, Okay, I got to take
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  Speaker 2: this person into the shop. It's two in the morning,
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  Speaker 2: give me the crazy. The craziest grill shopping escapade you
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  Speaker 2: had to go on because you were the guy back then.
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  Speaker 2: Now people will call Johnny, Yeah, but back then they're
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  Speaker 2: calling Paul. They're like, Yo, Paul, I'm in Houston. What
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  Speaker 2: were we doing.
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  Speaker 3: There's definitely a few, you know, Venus and Serena Williams,
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  Speaker 3: those are I mean, when you have the icons who
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  Speaker 3: aren't like the typical person, you would think if it's
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  Speaker 3: a rapper, then you might associate them with wearing a grill.
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  Speaker 3: But when you get some of these athletes, especially like
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  Speaker 3: I said.
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  Speaker 1: Serena Serena Williams all time.
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  Speaker 3: You know, that's that's awesome to be able to facilitate that,
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  Speaker 3: to make her a grill. Now she wants a grill.
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  Speaker 3: She can get good from anybody in the world, but
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  Speaker 3: to one for me, you know, it's like very huge honor.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, I think maybe Kanye West. Kanye West
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  Speaker 3: is definitely one of the grill escapades where it started
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  Speaker 3: starting with Kanye West in New York.
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  Speaker 2: Did you have to mold them?
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  Speaker 3: I did his mold in New York at a King
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  Speaker 3: magazine photo shoot when it was like maybe twenty or
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  Speaker 3: thirty of us for the coming Kings of the year,
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  Speaker 3: somebody who was a he was there as a good
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  Speaker 3: music CEO king, and there's somebody there as an athlete king,
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  Speaker 3: up and coming king, who's an author, up and coming king,
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  Speaker 3: who's whatever this and that, the banker or whatever. So
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  Speaker 3: it was a room full of who's who were people
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  Speaker 3: who were just on the rise or just killing it.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, he walks in and it's a very
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  Speaker 3: industry type event where there's music playing in the lounge before,
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  Speaker 3: before this, before drive slow, this is my first time
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  Speaker 3: ever meeting. And he walks in and he you know it,
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  Speaker 3: He's like, man, it's supposed to be a hip hop event, man, and.
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  Speaker 1: Where's the where's the ciphers at with a hip hop?
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  Speaker 1: There's a hip hop?
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  Speaker 2: And where's a hip hop?
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  Speaker 1: Hip hop?
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  Speaker 3: He busts out with a freestyle, and of course he's
• 5:37
  Speaker 3: he's still Kanye West before his second album, so he
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  Speaker 3: still is themand but he's not definitely.
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  Speaker 2: Not after between the two years.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so he definitely was the man.
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  Speaker 3: But it's not like where he is now that the
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  Speaker 3: Kanye we know now. And he busts out a freestyle
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  Speaker 3: and then that's it. Everybody is just in awe and
• 5:54
  Speaker 3: He's like, man, I'm trying to kick a cipher off. Man,
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  Speaker 3: nobody gonna back door.
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  Speaker 1: Man. I'm you know, of course, I'm.
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  Speaker 3: I come out with my freestyle and like, okay, you know,
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  Speaker 3: of course there's a little camaraderie there, the hip hop camaraderie,
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  Speaker 3: and then you know, we're go and have a little
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  Speaker 3: side conversation about the grills and a few other things,
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  Speaker 3: and he's like, hey, you know, I like your grills,
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  Speaker 3: this and that him as well as don see a
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  Speaker 3: few of the other people that are with him. And
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, hey, look, I got the grill modes right
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  Speaker 3: now in my bank.
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  Speaker 1: We can do this right here. Now, come on, let
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  Speaker 1: me get your mold. And I was on the way
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  Speaker 1: out to the airport, so I did his mold real quick.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: It came back to Houston and he said, you know, hey,
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  Speaker 3: I'm coming to Houston soon to perform with the Scarface
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  Speaker 3: at the Texas Beach Party, which is the Capple Beach Party,
• 6:36
  Speaker 3: but they changed the name and this actually was the
• 6:38
  Speaker 3: last Capple Beach Party there ever was in Galveston, and
• 6:42
  Speaker 3: you know, he was coming down there in a few
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  Speaker 3: weeks to perform at that. So we made his grills,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, after he performs at the beach party,
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  Speaker 3: he's at Mike Dean's house in Houston. Is big shout
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  Speaker 3: out Mike Dean and he's like, Okay, you know, bring
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  Speaker 3: bring the grills over here.
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  Speaker 1: It's like three in the morning, four in the morning.
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  Speaker 3: They're mixing Diamonds off Forever Diamonds from Cleon And now,
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  Speaker 3: I've been in a lot of studio sessions with a
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  Speaker 3: lot of different type of musicians, but this was very unique,
• 7:11
  Speaker 3: extremely unique, and I've never been in a situation like
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  Speaker 3: this where you know, you got Mike Dean, perhaps the
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  Speaker 3: greatest engineer mixer.
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  Speaker 1: Of all time.
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  Speaker 2: He's in the combo.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's in.
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  Speaker 3: There like doing changing this and that, and Kanye West
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  Speaker 3: will be like, no, turn you know such and such down,
• 7:28
  Speaker 3: and it'll you know, say, the song is, you know,
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  Speaker 3: four minutes long. He's turning something down. It's at the
• 7:32
  Speaker 3: three minute forty five second mark. Okay, well they're listening
• 7:35
  Speaker 3: to the whole song start to end again again, start
• 7:39
  Speaker 3: to end again again.
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  Speaker 1: I personally we heard it about one hundred times that night,
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  Speaker 1: and we were at the end of the mixing session.
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  Speaker 3: So just seeing them do all of that, like, and
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  Speaker 3: just seeing how dedicated he was to his craft. And
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  Speaker 3: he wasn't like overwhelmed or like, you know, it wasn't
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  Speaker 3: like too much. It was just like he was involved
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  Speaker 3: in every part of Now, me, I couldn't from the
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  Speaker 3: first time I walked in. So when you hear the
• 8:07
  Speaker 3: song now, it all sounds the same to me. But
• 8:11
  Speaker 3: sonically he could tell every difference. And he's like, no,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I need to change this. No whatever, you know,
• 8:16
  Speaker 3: whatever jargon or engineer talk they were talking. He knew
• 8:19
  Speaker 3: all of that, and they were having their own conversation.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm just like me and good were like, man,
• 8:23
  Speaker 3: I don't know what they talking about, but I need
• 8:25
  Speaker 3: to learn that language. And you know, just being able to,
• 8:27
  Speaker 3: you know, get him hiss grills, and then that turned
• 8:29
  Speaker 3: into you know, eventually slow.
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  Speaker 1: Man.
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  Speaker 2: And one of my things, I was going to say,
• 10:04
  Speaker 2: the drive slow, Like, at what point in time do
• 10:07
  Speaker 2: you get sent that record? Are you in the studio
• 10:09
  Speaker 2: with him? Is it something to get sent over email?
• 10:11
  Speaker 1: Like playing Pat? Shout out playing Pat?
• 10:14
  Speaker 3: He you know, he managed kick cutting a bunch of artists,
• 10:16
  Speaker 3: but he was He tried to sign me to Death Jam.
• 10:18
  Speaker 3: It didn't work out, but he still kind of mentored
• 10:20
  Speaker 3: me and gave me a lot of advice, especially when
• 10:23
  Speaker 3: it came to you know, moving and wiggling in the industry,
• 10:26
  Speaker 3: and you know, so he would give me a lot
• 10:28
  Speaker 3: of big bro advice.
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: And you know, eventually he's like, hey, I seen.
• 10:31
  Speaker 3: You met Kanye. I seen you man. Whatever you got
• 10:34
  Speaker 3: him some girls, that's what's up.
• 10:35
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 10:36
  Speaker 3: He said he like your flow and this and that,
• 10:38
  Speaker 3: you know, you down to do a verse on one
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  Speaker 3: of his albums. And it's like, of course, yeah, of course, wow,
• 10:43
  Speaker 3: who would.
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: Say no to that? But you know, and he's like,
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: you know, hey man, he might take it off, he
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: might not use it.
• 10:49
  Speaker 3: He's very, very very particular about what he uses and
• 10:52
  Speaker 3: what he doesn't use, he might use just a portion
• 10:55
  Speaker 3: of what you say, you know, he kind of he's
• 10:57
  Speaker 3: kind of setting me up for.
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  Speaker 1: If I do the verses he donna I can. He
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: don't use it. I'm not mad, but I wouldn't be
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: mad either way.
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  Speaker 3: It goes because I just appreciate the opportunity, you know
• 11:05
  Speaker 3: that he would give me. I mean from Houston people
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  Speaker 3: at that time, people like me don't get a shot
• 11:10
  Speaker 3: to do a song on Kanye West or artist of
• 11:12
  Speaker 3: that caliber, you know, unless your scarface.
• 11:14
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
• 11:14
  Speaker 3: So to be able to do that, he send me
• 11:17
  Speaker 3: playing past, send me to beat. I did my verse,
• 11:19
  Speaker 3: which actually was I had wrote the verse already for
• 11:23
  Speaker 3: Sitting Sideways.
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: Y'alls about to say, it's super you did you on that?
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 11:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that actually when I when I wrote Sitting Sideways,
• 11:30
  Speaker 3: this was the first verse I wrote to Sitting Sideways,
• 11:33
  Speaker 3: but I didn't really write it to the tempo of
• 11:35
  Speaker 3: the beat of Sitting Sideways.
• 11:37
  Speaker 2: So the verse that ended up on Drive Slow was
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: the original first verse you wrote for Sitting Side.
• 11:41
  Speaker 3: Yes, I used to, man, I used to. This is
• 11:43
  Speaker 3: before I was like a heavy smoker. So my brain
• 11:45
  Speaker 3: would be moving like a thousand miles a minute.
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: And I would get so distracted by anything.
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  Speaker 3: I might get distracted by the tie or you know,
• 11:53
  Speaker 3: the door knob of a sound and the beat.
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  Speaker 1: Anything.
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  Speaker 3: I would just get so distracted. So I would just
• 11:57
  Speaker 3: get the tempo, go sit in my car and write verse.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I did. I wrote the verse that you
• 12:01
  Speaker 3: hear on dry slow. I wrote that for sitting sideways.
• 12:04
  Speaker 3: When I go in and lay it the sitting Sideways beat,
• 12:07
  Speaker 3: it's a little fast, so when I delivering.
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: Later, the vocals don't exactly look off. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And my boy Tim Ferris was like, hey, the verse hard,
• 12:17
  Speaker 3: but it don't really go.
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: To the temple. Man. I think he should write a
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: new verse.
• 12:20
  Speaker 3: So I wrote it to verses for sitting sideways, and
• 12:23
  Speaker 3: I kept it in my pocket for just in occasions
• 12:26
  Speaker 3: such as they came yeah man, and I sent it.
• 12:28
  Speaker 3: I did the verse, send it in playing patterns like yeah,
• 12:30
  Speaker 3: he like it, you know, but he wants you to
• 12:32
  Speaker 3: come out here and lay it in La.
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: I come to La laid.
• 12:36
  Speaker 3: And the whole time I'm thinking I'm getting punked, like
• 12:39
  Speaker 3: NTV punked with Ashton Kutcher. You know, I'm we get
• 12:42
  Speaker 3: off the plane, we come down to escalators. It's two
• 12:44
  Speaker 3: LA sheriffs that pulled me to side and go to
• 12:47
  Speaker 3: the side. They think we're like smuggling drugs or something,
• 12:49
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, I knew I was getting I knew
• 12:51
  Speaker 3: this was too good to.
• 12:52
  Speaker 2: Be tru Yeah, yeah, man.
• 12:55
  Speaker 3: And then I'm I'm talking crazy to the to the
• 12:57
  Speaker 3: police and Goud's like, what are you doing? You're about
• 12:59
  Speaker 3: to get a beat up? And I'm like where asked
• 13:02
  Speaker 3: the cuts at? And then you know, next thing, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not getting punk, but yeah, yeah, I apologize. I
• 13:09
  Speaker 3: don't want no smoke. Iologize, and then you know, from
• 13:12
  Speaker 3: there we go. You know, I'm in a limo going
• 13:14
  Speaker 3: to the local car service going to the UH to
• 13:18
  Speaker 3: the studio, and we ended up getting pulled over and
• 13:21
  Speaker 3: I'm like they couldn't give me the first time, so
• 13:23
  Speaker 3: this is the plan B. And but we're right in
• 13:26
  Speaker 3: front of the studio and I asked the hey, man,
• 13:28
  Speaker 3: can I get out because it was like a traffic ticket?
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: Can I get out?
• 13:31
  Speaker 3: Can I go to the studio? This is where I'm
• 13:33
  Speaker 3: trying to go. He lets me out. He's like, yeah,
• 13:35
  Speaker 3: I'm not giving you the ticket. I'm giving human ticket.
• 13:36
  Speaker 3: So I'm like, I'm out. And then I go in
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: the studio. It's a little for asking cutcher and you
• 13:41
  Speaker 3: know it's.
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's in there. He was downstairs recording the song
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: he had with NAS.
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, major, we major. It was the one with the game.
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: But what was the name of the one on? But
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: it's yeah, same album, we major the song with us.
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I don't even remember. It's all like a
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: blu but it's all clear, you know what I'm saying.
• 14:02
  Speaker 3: And then I go upstairs lay my verse and he's like,
• 14:04
  Speaker 3: I want you to do some other stuff. So I
• 14:06
  Speaker 3: do whatever you tell me to do. And I'm still
• 14:09
  Speaker 3: just I'm prepared for the album to come out.
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: And yeah, and I'll never forget.
• 14:15
  Speaker 3: DJ Drama called me and this was the night before
• 14:18
  Speaker 3: the album comes out. This is when albums came out
• 14:20
  Speaker 3: on Tuesdays. He's called on Monday night and he's like, hey,
• 14:23
  Speaker 3: he's at the list official listening party. He's like, yo,
• 14:26
  Speaker 3: you kind of album and I'm like, I don't know.
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: That I mean out yet. I ain't seen one name
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: on the credits. I don't know. And also I know
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: from just being on Swish House tapes.
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: Sometimes people will get on Swish House mixtapes back in
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: the day, then they go tell the whole.
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: Hood and then they.
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: Get taken off, and then you look like a fool
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: because you you know, man, you ain't on there, you know.
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: So I don't want to just be too excited about
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: being on there. Internally I'm excited, but I don't want
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: to be album pubby. Yeah, I'm I'm on, I'm on it,
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: and then he takes me off for whatever reason.
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: So you guys do the video and then the video
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: versions different than the version of came out on the album.
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: Yes a little bit.
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: I'm super mad that that's not on a CD somewhere,
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: but the video version was different. Crazy, crazy man, such
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: a this is my favorite Kanye late registration is my
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: that's my one. But yeah, that's crazy. Talk to me.
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: This year? Was it?
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: Earlier? This year we lost Michael Watts, who obviously a legend,
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: somebody who you know, the founder of Swisher House, somebody
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: who you had such a strong relationship with. He had
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: a lot to do with.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: Your career since I was fourteen years old, thirteen years old.
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, can you just speak to Michael Wats because
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: I feel like when we think about these legendary labels,
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: will always hear the rap A lots will always hear
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: no limit cash money. But you know, a lot of
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: times I think Swisher House kind of falls through the cracks.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: And I think a lot of textas stuff for whatever reason,
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: when we think about the historical contexts of hip hop
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: will fall through the cracks with Swisher House, you want
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: to talk about a powerhouse, man man.
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: Part of it is because I think Switsher House as
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: a label was mostly just me and Mike Jones.
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: And I don't want to say just.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: Me and Mike Jones right moment.
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: The movement is and I mean, I don't know any
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: other time in hip hop, you know. And I don't
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: mean any disrespect or discredit to anybody else, but I
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: just want to give my guy his respect and his
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: proper due honor. I don't know any other time in
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: hip hop where a DJ found and discovered four artists,
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: at least four artists, and took them from the absolute
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: very beginning. I don't mean four established artists who are
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: already platinum, but four artists who had never put out
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: anything commercially ever molded them, helped them build their fan
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: base to become four platinum artists. Myself, Mike Jones, Slim
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: Thug could be in there. And then also you know
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: with Little Kiki come into the Swish House as an
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: artist too, and you know it helped give him another
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: around era to keep him going. Of course he's still going,
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: you know. And then there's all the other people that
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: were there as well who had amazing underground careers or
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: independent careers like Jade.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Dog or Archie Lee or.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: Little Mario or there's there's a lot of man a
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: lot of artists. Man in the Swiss House really facilitated
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: something for us and a lot of.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Texts music did Man, he definitely deserves a lot of credits.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Were by surprise for his passing or did he have
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: his health?
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Absolutely? I know he was, you know before he passed away.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: You know, there were definitely signs because he was in
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: the hospital for something else, but you know, they wouldn't say, oh,
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: you know, he's about to be about to pass away,
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: or is this serious? You know, And I don't know
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: if they didn't know or they just didn't want to
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: share that. Also, you know, with you know, when the
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: words gets around, it just spreads some time. Yeah, yeah,
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: so man, but it definitely it definitely hit me like
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: a ton of bricks out of nowhere where it's like, wow,
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: we had no idea, but you know it's we had
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: a lot of great times together man, and just everything
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: he did for me. I mean, I can't imagine how
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: my life would be without Michael five thousand wats Man.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, rest in peace. Such a legend. When you
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: think back to that era, that five oh four oh
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: six eras, it was such a it was like, I
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: just remember, like everybody an album from Phoenix. So I
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: remember every record store, everybody would have the Screwed and
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: chop tapes. There would be the chop Not slot that
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: everybody was doing their own version of them.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: And I just remember like the Mike Jones album and
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: your album the Posters being everywhere.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: But when you think about that class, like you said earlier,
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: make a millionaire yourself, slim thug Mike Jones, When you're
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: in the middle of that and you kind of you know,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: the Source magazine cover happens, and there's so much, so
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: much commercial crossover happens, do you kind of feel like
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: you're you're do you know that you're in the middle
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: of like a historical run for your city, like cause
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: it or because sometimes we're living this shit so we
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: don't have to take time to kind of breathe.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: And kind of I remember when we performed still Tipping
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: on one O six in part and we're walking to
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: the stage, and this is like a key moment where
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: it like it's like notched in my mind of Slimp
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: the you know, saying, hey man, we on one O
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: six in Park Bro, we made it. Now I remember
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: all the other times I thought I made it. The
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: first time I ever heard myself on the radio, which
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: is me and come in or did a freestyle with
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: Michael Michael Wats was actually rapping. This is the first
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: time he ever wrapped on the mixtape.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: We we did.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: We did an intro for his radio show and he
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: would play it before his mix when he would mixed.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: But Mad had her track to the box, Yeah, shout
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: out to the box. Mad had he had the after
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: Michael Wats would do the nighttime. Now Mad had her
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: did the afternoon so at.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: So he played he did? Did he play that version
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: of his sound different?
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Now Man had her played it? Because Wats was on
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: there rapping.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: But still I remember taking my god sister Nina and
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: she went to Prayerview and we were in the car
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: and antoin on in wes Lily, York, and I was
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: We're on the way to Prayer of You and I
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: remember hearing it on the radio, like, man, that's that's me.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: I'm on the radio.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: This is crazy, uh, you know, and I remember feeling
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: like I made it, but it was so fleeting, because
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: you know, the feeling went away, and then it's like
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: I called here You're a man the radio.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Nope, ain't here. You're a man. Readio, Nope, ain't here.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: You lying, you ain't on.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: It's like, man, I was on the radio, but nobody knows,
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: you know. So I remember thinking how that when is
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: this gonna happen again? And uh and then you know,
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: I remember when we signed a deal with mad had
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: it later on and our song and Love with My Money.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Became b Yeah, that's a big record.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: They played the hell out of that on the radio,
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: and that was another time where it's like, Okay, we
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: made it, you know. And then I mean, even through
• 20:46
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• 20:52
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• 20:54
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• 20:58
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  Speaker 2: get back to the podcast. Do you look back at
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: do you ever think about like the kind of the
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: what if about you and Chamellionaire and like what like
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, obviously everybody ended up doing really well. Yeah, everybody.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's man, bro.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: At the time I was, I was more than happy.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: I never saw a vision from my own success. I
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: never saw that. It really honestly took T Ferris telling
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: me when me and come in go on separate ways.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: T Fairs telling me, hey, Bro, I feel it in
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: my heart. Your best days are in front of you.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: They're not behind you. You got a ceilings up here.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: You think you're ceiling here. Your ceiling is up here.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: You just got to keep going. And him giving He's
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: a T. Fairs, the first person ever in my life
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: that believed in me.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: They really gave.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Me Megan for sore.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: But you know, with come in there, I was more
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: than happy being in a duo where on the sidekick
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: or I'm getting pressures on you guys right absolutely, and
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And it was amazing to
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: have that run with somebody that I grew up with
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: my whole life. I grew up with him, you know,
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: So my first time in the studio, first time on stage,
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: first time freestyling at school lunch table and on the
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: bus was all with command there, So you know, to
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: be able to see the ascension and rise with him
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: was something that was like, for sure, a dream come true.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: And I never saw beyond that, but Comedian saw beyond that,
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: and other people saw beyond that. And so when we
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: you know, and I also think about how it is
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: like what we were.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Coman has always been business minded, like.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and for me, I always felt like I wasn't
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: worthy enough to belong, so I didn't expect it and
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: I didn't think that I was old any of this
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: or so, you know, whenever I got a check, I
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: always felt like I was scamming somebody to get to check,
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: because it was like, yeah, are you sure it's supposed
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: to be my check? I don't know that.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: I'm just happy with whatever I would get.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: I was more than happy with that, but Comean was like, nah,
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: no matter what we're getting, they still screwing us over.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: And no matter how, no matter how much you know,
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: if like macaolm me saying, somebody put the knife in
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: your nine inches and they pull it out too, you know.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: So that's command mind frame was like, nah, I don't matter.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: It don't matter if they're paying us more crumbs than
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: the next artist. We're still getting crumbs and this is
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: not how it should be. And he's always had that vision,
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: so you know it it really honestly, it took us
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: going our separate ways for me to be able to,
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: you know, become the written Paul Wall, you know, as
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: much as I have been.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: You know, you remember the first time you guys were
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: able to kind of have like the years later convo
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: and like.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Just oh yeah, absolutely, like man.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know you was right. You know, A.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Big shout out to Pemse and E forty.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: Those are the only two people the period were like
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: from start to finish. They were like, y'all tripping, y'all tripping, y'all,
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: y'all not seeing a big picture, y'all not seeing a
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: big picture with the money that you're missing that you
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: could be making right now that you're not gonna be
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: able to make tomorrow. You can make it today, you
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: can't make it tomorrow, right and your mind you're thinking
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: you can always get back together and it's gonna pick
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: up where it left off. That's not how it worked, right.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Sometimes it can work like that, but it's not. It's
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: not guaranteed. And they also saw what we represented for
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: who we represented for.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: You know, the city. That's also why when we had
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: our problems, our beefs, it never went too far because.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: We got ugly. Sometimes the Houston beef in general can get.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Like yeah yeah, but with me and him both, we didn't.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: You know, we grew up with each other, We know
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: each other's families. We didn't want to like, I'm not
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: putting all that whatever, he's not putting all that out there.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: And we also see who we're doing this for. If
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: we get.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Ugly like that, it's just gonna make us all look bad.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: And we just didn't want to do that, you know
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So that that helped, you know, us
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: not get too crazy out of there.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: But PEMC when he.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: When PEMC put us on the song, and while in
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: that Cooper still ain't talking, you know, and that that's
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: when people already were like, man, we all gonna get
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: back together this and that he says and it's the
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: number one song on the radio everybody and you're in
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: the club and you hearing it there, it's like, oh
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: my god, you know. And then of course when Pemcy passed,
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: that really put it in the perspective where we felt like,
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: this is something we owe to him, and we owe
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: it to ourselves, you know, because we we at the
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: end of the day, we we grew up, we're brothers,
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: we're friends, so we we owed it to ourselves as well,
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: but we owed it to him. And again, like I said,
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: forty two, E forty was from day one, was like
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: y'all tripping man, is that.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: A phone call thing? Or are you guys in person? Both?
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Both? You know. E forty was a big bro
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: to us.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: For a long time, from the very beginning. My bro
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Sea Dog and Dallas was good friends still, you know
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: with E forty, so he would always you know, hey, man,
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna i'a plug you E forty many gonna get
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: some game and the forty being an independent pioneer that
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: he is, and he would just give us so much
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: game advice, whatever. And then you know, same with PIMC
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: and I. You know, there was times where you know,
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: I used to write PEMC when he was in jail
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: and h you know, but when he's out of jail
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: and I remember bumping into him at the airport one
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: time and we.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Have a crazy conversation.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: Crazy, I mean crazy in terms of long, a long
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: conversation just about me and come in here, like, man,
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: it was up this bullshit even come in you know, man,
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: y'all tripping.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: I told him the same thing. I'm telling him to
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: tell you the same thing I told him.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Y'all tripping. And you know, there's definitely fun conversation. But
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: when you in person looking you know, the person you
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: looked up to, admired, you know, your whole rap career
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: or as a child.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: This is somebody I looked at to my.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Whole When when you and him have that first congo,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: is it in person?
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: It's in person, and you know, of course this is
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: like nah, you don't get it. You don't know, you know,
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: And he was just like, man, you think me and
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: bunn ain't never had no problems. You think what you
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: know whatever, like man, you tripping? Man, you tripping paw
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: awhile and he telling coman or the same thing. But
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: it's just not you know, sometimes you gotta plan to
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: seed and let grow. So you gotta put the cookies.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: In the oven and let it bake, you know what
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: I'm saying.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: So we just we let the cookies bake a little
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: bit and then when it's when it's time, you know.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: And I think that the major catalyst was Pency passing
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: because we definitely felt like we owed that to him
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: and we felt like he would be proud of us
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: that we buried the hatch.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: It there's this legendary source cover with everybody from Houston
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: on it. I mean it was it was special. Yeah,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: that was But could you kind of walk me through
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: what was that shoot?
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Was there any any funk? I mean, there are some
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: people on that cover that did not function with you.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: There definitely was.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: I wasn't on the cover, man, you were? How you well,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: you know, how did you not end up on that cover?
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Well?
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: A few reasons, I'm you know, honestly, at that time,
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: I had something already planned going on with Double XL
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: same day, same time everything where they're like, hey, we're coming.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: It was like the All Star the super Bowl something.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Everything was in Houston.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, someone's going on in Houston and.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: They actually had to ask you to be on the cover.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: Well they did, but they're like, hey, we're doing it,
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: you know, Tuesday at five, Well Tuesday five, I'm already
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: doing something with Double XL And I just felt like
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: I can't tell them no.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: And youl by yourself, right, Man?
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: I was the only cover ever was on was Murder
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Dog and Ozone.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: So I don't know if maybe I should have Maybe
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: I should have said he double, I ain't gonna make it.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: I remember the Double XCEL article. I think you had
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: a red on. If I'm not tripping, I have a
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: bunch of vintage double sales in the studio.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: I mean that's what Atlantic Records was definitely pissed at me.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: They were like, man, you're gonna be on the cover.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: But I also you know, I mean honestly, I felt
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: a little disrespected. If it was any other region, if
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: it was New York, would you say, hey, we're gonna
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: do a New York cover. We're gonna do a New
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: York cover with everybody. No, they're gonna give each one
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: of those artists their own cover. I mean, you look
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: at all of us, the only time any of us
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: were on the cover other than like Squarat Face in
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: the group Come In There was definitely worthy of being
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: on his own stone cover. Slim Tub was worthy of
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: his own cover, same as Mike Jones, as Little Flip,
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: as Zero, anybody else that was on the cover. And
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: I just felt like, man, this is their way to
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: do us all at once, right, And it's like and
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: I also felt like, you know, I mean, we got
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: problems with each other, and the way it was told
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: to me was, man, I know there's some people that
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: we don't get along, but we're just gonna go We're
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: gonna just go.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Do the We're gonna do the picture and leave. We
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: ain't gotta speak to each other and leave it. And
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I'm like, well, nah, I got an issue.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: I want to I want to talk this out, you know,
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: like and then sometimes it'll be like, well, you know,
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Jake Prince got the boxing ring, and I'm like, well,
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: well what if I mean, look, I definitely could box,
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: but what if I came box, well and I just
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: got to get bullied.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: But I could get my ass whoop and.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: I could get messed up, you know, Like, so you know,
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: I just I just felt like that for me, that
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: wasn't for me. And you know, I'm very happy and
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: proud that they did because Slim Thug and Zero at
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: the time they had huge issues.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: They both had.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Said some I think helped squash that too.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: He did squashed a lot of the big squash did
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: the Big squashy. But but at that at that you know,
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: I wasn't there, but as it was told to me,
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: was at that photo shoot. Zero and Slim they talked
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: it out and they buried their hatchet, you know, as
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: well as some other people that were there.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: They buried their hatchet. You know. So a lot of
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: positivity came from that photo shoot.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: But you know, and I do think back because it
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: was so iconic as like, damn, man, what would have been?
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: And you know, they told me how you know, people
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: that were there were like, okay, you know, I'm standing here,
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: they're standing there.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Then you see the cover they put them next to
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: each other. Anybody, this is beefing. They got them right.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: Next to each other, and it's like, man, I don't know, man,
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: they like kind of photoshopped it together.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: But you it is what it is, man.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: And even though I didn't, you know, I didn't get
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: on the double xl Okay, it wasn't for that, it was.
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  Speaker 2: back to the podcast. It's been twenty years, twenty one
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  Speaker 2: years since people shit, wow, twenty one years. Crazy crazy.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: How often do you I mean, obviously you have to
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: perform some of the albums. Yeah, would you ever just
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: revisit and just throw it on it? Just not the
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: time machine.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: I actually don't.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: I really don't listen to any of my music because
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: I'm always working on new music.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: I only listen.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: You are very very active, yes, yes, on the indies,
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: multiple albums a year, absolutely.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: A lot of them are under the radar.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: With Static Yeah, yes, man, big shoutout real Static, Yes,
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: big shoutout bum Bee, all the stuff I got with Terminology,
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: the stuff I got with Baby Bash, stuff I got
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: with Little Kiki, all my solo albums, the stuff I
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: got with.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: New artists like The Delivery Boy or whoever. Like Man,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: it's definitely a lot.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: But the only time I listened to my own music
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: is one about to shoot the video and then I
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: remember you just to learn my lyrics.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: But we People's champ though. It's crazy because there's so
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: many songs from.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: That album that I perform, Like if I got twenty songs,
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: I performed five of them People's So you know, it
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: definitely is those are the that's when I listen to
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: the people tent when I'm performing.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: What is because a lot of people who are in
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: your position might just depend on show money, It might
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: not be too active when it comes to putting out
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: these joint albums and running up the end of catalog
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: or tapping in with the younger artists. What would you
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: kind of say is your main motivation that keeps you
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: hungry to still be in the studio?
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Man, Man, just my love, my passion for it, you
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: know that.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: And definitely, you know, dealing with the bs of industry politics,
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: or when you think you're supposed to get paid and
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: then you don't and you don't know who's supposed to
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: pay you, but regardless, you don't get to check right
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: And you know, you.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Put your trust in faith in people that will break
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: your heart.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: The game will just completely break your heart, you know.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: So I've definitely lost my love a few times.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: But you know, I think back to my perspective, this
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: is still my childhood dream that I pray for every
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: day of my life today included you know, to be
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: able to do this and to you work so hard
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: to get in a position to do what you want
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: to do how you want to do it, to just
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: say no, I ain't doing it no more because I
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: don't feel like it.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: It's just a waste to me. And I feel like
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: I got a lot of bars. Well I got more
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: bars in.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: The criminal justice system, and I just man, you know, Definitely,
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: my main source of income for a long time was
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: selling grills. Yeah, and outside of you know, if I
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: was doing it only for the money, definitely I would
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: never make music again. It would only be grills because
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: that's there's a lot of money with that, but that
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: you know, having that secondary source of income, you know,
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: allow me to make the kind of music I want
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: to make, not just me chasing trends or everybody sounded
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: like this, So I got to sound like this.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Everybody sounded like that. I gotta sound like that.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: I can make the kind of music I want to
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: make and for the people I want to make it for.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: And I'll hear people that'll be like, man, y'all need
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: to bring.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Back this sound. Y'all need to do this. No more.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Ain't nobody doing this. No, y'all need to do that.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: And I really take it to heart, and it'll make
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: me encourage me to all right, I want to make
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: music like that. That's the same music I like to
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: listen to.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: You have so many, like I guess, like versions of
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: your career, Like I think back to when there's a
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: lot of errors. Listen when you get into the pocket
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: with Travis Skinhead, Robb you do expensive taste, man, like
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: that was a whole thing.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Bro.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: I'll look back at this as as like my hair
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: and my beard changes. It's almost like ushering in a
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: new era of the powwall sound, and I'll look back
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: at all the different errors.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: When I had the tape of fade, the little patch.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: Patch, when I was fade, when I you know, started
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: dying my beard, I was getting a little older. When
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: I had the food beard, when I had the longs
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: easy top, when I grew my hair out, when I
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: left my grades show all of that. There's a lot
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: of different eras when I was the big power, when
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: I was the skinny pow wow.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: You know some of that it makes.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: Me think, you know about Luther Van Draws when they
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: be like, oh, when they used to argue.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: You know, I like the fat Luthor. I like the
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: skinny Luthor. And it made me like, you know.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: Coincide, you know my different errors, and you know, as
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: an artist, I get to grow.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: But any era that ever was a power whow, I'm
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: still powerwaw.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: And you're still gonna hear me if I'm rapping with
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: Travis Barker or if I'm rapping with Status selector or
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: if I'm with Jill Scott.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: It's gonna always be pa while you here.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: And then you catch a platinum song like Johnny Dang
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: that just opens you up to a bunch of new fans.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: That grows absolutely, man. You know, and I think back
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: to we do a lot of shows. So even before
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: we did Johnny Dang with that Mexicano team with Drodi Man,
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: even before that, we were doing a lot of shows.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: But you know, when you look in the crowd, it
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: looks a certain way, a little bit older, you know,
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: a certain you know, there's certain people in the crowd.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: And after that song, now all of a sudden, the
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: crowd is extremely diverse.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: It's younger.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: Yes, you can see the you can see the effect
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: of that, which was crazy. It was a man and
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: ushered in a new fan base. To me, first of all,
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: it made me kind of more established. Oh he ain't
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: has been he he ain't fall off. Well, he still
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: got something in the tank. But at the same time,
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: it allowed me to be introduced to a much younger
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: fan base, you know, man, big salute to that Mexicano
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: te man for sure.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, last two questions. Your favorite Houston album of all
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: time that isn't your own.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: My favorite album of all time in Houston is Easy
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: Dea Screwed for Life, Dea Screwed, Yeah, man, And of
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: course my second is Little Kicky, don't mess with Texas,
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: but screw for lif Dea.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Oh man, I could listen to that front to back.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: I actually, as a DJ, I chopped and screwed it
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: for Big Hawk before he passed away. Big Hawk, I
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: don't know exactly what he had to do with releasing
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: the album, but he had something to do with.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Releasing the album. And I remember asking him at the
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: studio one time, man, how come you ain't got no
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: chopping screwed version of that?
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: And he was like, well, because if DJ screw ain't
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: gonna do it, he ain't putting it out. And I
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: was like, hey, I already got a version that I
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: made for my own listening pleasure. If you want to
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: put it out, you can, and he released it. A man,
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: that was amazing to you know, to do that. I
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: love that album.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: And then I want you to put together your mount
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: rushmore of let's say, oh four to seven of Houston rap.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: That your era, your peak era, my era.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, of course I wouldn't put myself. Exclude yourself, Yeah,
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: exclude myself all this. I mean, it's it's kind of easy.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: It is pretty easy.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: I slim thug, you know, come in there, Mike Jones
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: and then you know, Flip.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: I would maybe put a zero.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Even though heroes around.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: And you know, if you if you go back a
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: little further like a ninety eight ninety nine and then
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: not for sure it would include Flip, but you know if.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: Zero going of those, Yeah, most city down is like
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: for people who have never partied in Houston. Yeah, it's
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: like coming to l A and here and YG's DPT
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: or like it's like 'all dreams and nightmare.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yes, it's like and nightmares. Now.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: My my Mount Rushmore all time would be the Jacker
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: from the Bay Area would be Rich. The Factor would
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: be a little kicky, and Sean Price.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Hey man, I did not expect Sean Key.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: And if there's a fifth, I put Hustler from the
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Mob figures as well.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: But big Guy, oh yeah, yeah, I love the baby
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: music man the Bait.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: The Bay to me is like our twin city from Houston.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Very similar.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Yes we now we we do.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: We're very different, but we're similar but big on a
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: car culture. We're big on our car culture where if
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: you don't like it, we don't care. We ain't doing
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: it for you, We're doing it for us. Big on
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: our local slang. We talk away, we talk and it's
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: not for you, it's for us.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: We're big on our independent hustle. We're big on supporting
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: our own.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: I love the baby man, definitely love the bait.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Well, listen, Paul, I appreciate you sitting down. You got
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: any new music on the wear.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: Yes, just drop the album. It's called Fortune and Glorious
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: eighteen songs. I actually got a video for every.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Song on the album. Every song on the album has
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: a video.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: And you know, stead of working on new music, to
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: me in terminology, have a new album, getting you come
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: out for the show, big big shout out, you know,
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: and definitely you know I'm playing on dropping until I'm eighty.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: Man, God, how many albums you think?
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: It's like twenty over twenty maybe, you know. I mean,
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: it depends on what you consider an album. Some of
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: the albums like it's a mixtape or it's an EP.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Or definitely include the group albums.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: I'm definitely over twenty five, you know. But you know,
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: it's it's a blessing to be able to do what
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: I love to do.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Paul, my brother, appreciate your man, Yes, sir,
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