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Dorm Room Philosophy with "John Dies at the End": Episode #77 · High n' Dry Podcast

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James Crosslin: I'm good to go.
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Ryan Baron North: All right, Well, let's do this.
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Ryan Baron North: Everybody welcome to the High and Dry Podcast, the only podcast keeping alive the fandom of Firefly that one season there.
0:30
James Crosslin: I think that that was an incredibly popular cult show.
0:34
Ryan Baron North: I don't know you still think it's a lot Fine.
0:36
Ryan Baron North: How about the Zune?
0:37
Ryan Baron North: Keeping alive the fandom of the Zune?
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James Crosslin: A lot of people loved the Zune.
0:41
James Crosslin: It was like open.
0:42
James Crosslin: It was like an open media thing.
0:46
James Crosslin: It wasn't as restrictive on how you download it.
0:49
James Crosslin: It wasn't tied to like Apple music kind of UI and stuff, Keeping Alive the fandom of freaks and geeks.
1:04
Ryan Baron North: Judd Apatow has been wildly popular for two decades.
1:07
Ryan Baron North: I don't know, sure, all right, cool, all right.
1:09
Ryan Baron North: So welcome to this podcast.
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Ryan Baron North: I'm your host, ryan baron north, with me, as always, james crossland.
1:14
Ryan Baron North: James, what's going on, not?
1:16
James Crosslin: much.
1:16
James Crosslin: Just just finished watching our movie.
1:20
James Crosslin: Today.
1:21
James Crosslin: I'm feeling all right.
1:22
James Crosslin: I am excited to smoke some weed yeah, me too well not the, not the weed, yeah.
1:33
Ryan Baron North: So, uh, for those of you, uh, joining us for the first time, um, we're a pop culture philosophy podcast.
1:39
Ryan Baron North: We're going to take today the movie John Dies at the End there's a kind of dead fandom and we're going to break it down into three parts.
1:49
Ryan Baron North: All right, we're going to start delving into our thoughts.
1:53
Ryan Baron North: We're going to go into some drunken thoughts and then we're going to do some what ifs, and what makes it so fun and special is that we're going to be doing it drunk and high.
2:01
Ryan Baron North: So, uh, james, what are you?
2:02
Ryan Baron North: What are you smoking this week?
2:05
James Crosslin: Oh, I've got some Acapulco gold again.
2:07
James Crosslin: It's my go-to nowadays.
2:09
James Crosslin: Uh yeah, it's, it's.
2:11
James Crosslin: It gives you a good head rush and a lot of energy.
2:22
Ryan Baron North: I haven't smoked this morning, so, okay, all right, I'm low energy right now, but I'll get up there.
2:24
Ryan Baron North: Nice, all right.
2:24
Ryan Baron North: And uh, I'll be joining you with my go-to um, the old forester.
2:27
Ryan Baron North: But I'm doing it.
2:28
Ryan Baron North: I'm not doing the uh, I'm not doing the prohibition style, I'm just doing the standard old forester flagship.
2:36
Ryan Baron North: This cost me 25 at a grocery store.
2:41
Ryan Baron North: Um, got it in my little decanter right there nice yeah, and it's a uh, it's 100 horsepower, yeah, 100 horsepower.
2:49
Ryan Baron North: So it's not the 115 that we've been getting used to on this show.
2:53
Ryan Baron North: Good, good, yeah, so so it should be a more, even, I guess, keeled episode.
3:01
Ryan Baron North: So this first one, this one, goes out to I don't know, I guess, absurdism.
3:12
James Crosslin: Sure.
3:13
Ryan Baron North: Yeah, so here's to the film.
3:14
Ryan Baron North: Here's to the absurdism Cheers, cheers.
3:16
Ryan Baron North: Here's to the film.
3:17
Ryan Baron North: Here's to the absurdism, cheers, cheers.
3:23
Ryan Baron North: I just saw that picture of myself in the corner there.
3:28
Ryan Baron North: I forgot to shave this morning.
3:30
Ryan Baron North: It's all coming in.
3:32
Ryan Baron North: Yeah, me too.
3:34
Ryan Baron North: You miss one day and it's just forget about it.
3:38
Ryan Baron North: Yeah, now I got this rugged thing going on.
3:45
James Crosslin: That was good.
3:45
James Crosslin: I noticed with my beard hair that I'm getting gray hairs.
3:50
James Crosslin: They're actually like shock white Me too it's right along the sides there.
3:58
Ryan Baron North: What the fuck?
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Ryan Baron North: I don't even have a wrinkle, but all of a sudden all these fucking whites are coming in everywhere.
4:06
James Crosslin: Yeah, fuck the whites.
4:08
Ryan Baron North: Fucking whites moving in and just ruining everything, gentrifying your face, just gentrifying my face.
4:17
Ryan Baron North: So this next one, it's going to go out to our newest listeners, these ones, I mean, there's no way we haven't yeah, I don't think we've hit them.
4:34
James Crosslin: That's on my end.
4:37
Ryan Baron North: Whoop, whoop Well our newest listeners come from Sparta Illinois.
4:44
James Crosslin: Sparta Illinois All right, I'm not familiar.
4:47
James Crosslin: I'm not familiar either.
4:49
James Crosslin: You know we lived in Illinois or close to Illinois for a big portion of our lives.
4:54
James Crosslin: I have no idea where Sparta, Illinois is.
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Ryan Baron North: Well, here's to them, cheers ideal or sparta, illinois.
5:01
Ryan Baron North: Well, here's to them cheers.
5:02
James Crosslin: They keep their whereabouts protected by a cohort of mighty greek warriors.
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Ryan Baron North: Oh, man, I wasn't able to keep a straight face on that second.
5:15
Ryan Baron North: Go right there.
5:16
Ryan Baron North: So it's uh, it's weird, it's not as uh, I don't know it doesn't feel like as smooth as the 115.
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Ryan Baron North: Yeah, it's odd, I I don't know.
5:29
Ryan Baron North: Maybe I've just grown used to it, maybe I'm using this old dirty glass right here.
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James Crosslin: I don't know who's to say it's, it's, it, it's toxins released by the bacteria that consumed the sugar in the glass.
5:44
Ryan Baron North: That's what you're tasting that second one.
5:48
Ryan Baron North: That was that ashtray backwash that I'm used to on a second shot of this stuff.
5:53
Ryan Baron North: All right, and this last one, oh yeah, this last one.
5:59
Ryan Baron North: Speaking of fucking white hairs in your beard, it occurred to me just earlier today that we've known each other for going on 20 goddamn years.
6:08
James Crosslin: Yeah that's true, yeah, cheers.
6:10
Ryan Baron North: Cheers to 20 years.
6:11
Ryan Baron North: 20 years, oh, that one came in fucking hard.
6:18
James Crosslin: Oh, I thought I'd be dead by now.
6:20
James Crosslin: Yeah, I know Right, I was counting on it.
6:23
Ryan Baron North: Well, I was thinking about it like just boomer economics kind of shifted everything.
6:30
Ryan Baron North: So stuff that you were able to accomplish in your 20s you now kind of start accomplishing in your 30s.
6:37
James Crosslin: So we're going to die right in our 40s.
6:39
James Crosslin: Got it.
6:40
Ryan Baron North: Or so our our 27 club is actually 37, so we still have ample time to just fucking spiral out of control and do it like they used to classic yeah, no, I'm excited the way it's meant to be.
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Ryan Baron North: Yeah, no, I'm excited about it.
6:58
Ryan Baron North: All right, everybody.
7:02
Ryan Baron North: So it's time to dive into it.
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Ryan Baron North: I already went over it a little bit, but we're going to break this show down, this movie John dies at the end.
7:09
Ryan Baron North: We're going to do it in three parts.
7:10
Ryan Baron North: Right now, we're going to do our sober thoughts, then we're going to jump into our enlightened thoughts, since we're on the golden path, and then we're going to do some what ifs where we throw ourselves in.
7:22
Ryan Baron North: So let's jump on in.
7:23
Ryan Baron North: So sober thoughts, john dies at the end.
7:24
Ryan Baron North: James, what?
7:25
James Crosslin: do you think this is a little?
7:25
Ryan Baron North: different.
7:26
Ryan Baron North: This one's a little different than what we normally do that's true.
7:29
James Crosslin: This is not so much science fiction as it is fantasy.
7:34
James Crosslin: It's like, uh, it's like multiidimensional fantasy and there's a big distinction.
7:43
James Crosslin: There's no actual science fiction concepts here.
7:46
James Crosslin: There are more fantasy concepts and there's a few philosophical concepts.
7:55
James Crosslin: And one thing I wanted to point out while I'm sober, we get through the boring stuff in the sober thoughts portion, which is so.
8:02
James Crosslin: So the lead character, the lead of the movie, is David Wong, is the character's name and that's actually the writer of the book John dies at the end is his.
8:12
James Crosslin: His pen name is David Wong, his real name is Jason Pargin.
8:18
James Crosslin: He's a yeah, he's a comedian and writer, and he used to work for cracked, which is a crackcom and cracked magazine.
8:27
James Crosslin: We're really influential for me when it comes to comedy.
8:31
James Crosslin: So there was like 10 to 10 or so years there where cracked, I feel really dominated internet comedy and I still listen to the people who came out of cracks podcasts and, like cody johnston and robert evans who does the behind the bastards podcast, we had garrison from, uh, from behind the pastors podcast on on our podcast, yeah, gamefully unemployed network.
8:58
James Crosslin: They have a lot of podcasts, but they.
9:00
James Crosslin: There's a pretty popular youtube show called uh, some more news, where that cody johnson does has like hundreds of thousands of views every episode.
9:07
James Crosslin: So these cracks, these cracked people, have been, you know, semi-successful.
9:11
James Crosslin: They're pretty successful.
9:13
James Crosslin: They get to live their dream, which is nice, yeah.
9:15
James Crosslin: But jason pargin is uh, he used to work for them.
9:19
James Crosslin: He works for 1 900 hot dog right now, I'm pretty sure is the name of the very funny group with with other people from cracked.
9:29
James Crosslin: Um, he continues to write.
9:31
James Crosslin: He has, uh, a lot of absurdist books out from a series called uh, zoe, what is it?
9:43
Ryan Baron North: It's called the Zoe uh franchise, but he, he has a whole bunch of books, uh, but anyway, well we, we put more effort into promoting him just now than we do our own show at the end of this fucking thing.
9:55
James Crosslin: Well, I really like him and I hate us, so that's why, hell yeah, I really I think he's a, I think he's a very funny guy and I think his writing is is really fun.
10:07
James Crosslin: Uh, I don't know how well it translates to the screen if we're just talking about sober thoughts like do you, do I like this movie?
10:13
James Crosslin: Uh, I hated this movie.
10:16
James Crosslin: Okay, okay, interesting, go on.
10:17
Ryan Baron North: I absolutely hated this movie.
10:17
Ryan Baron North: Okay, okay, interesting Go on.
10:19
James Crosslin: I absolutely hated this movie.
10:21
James Crosslin: All right, I thought it was bordering on incoherent.
10:26
James Crosslin: I felt like the.
10:29
James Crosslin: I felt like it was, you know, so the, the, the conversations about tropes didn't didn't really exist at the time, I guess.
10:39
James Crosslin: So it was like a just an introduction of like hey, here's all the movie tropes, which was kind of a new concept at the time.
10:47
Ryan Baron North: maybe I love that you built him up to tear him down.
10:54
James Crosslin: No, he didn't write this movie.
10:55
James Crosslin: His work was adapted for this movie and he's openly said like I am not going to criticize this movie.
11:01
James Crosslin: You know, uh, his work was adapted for this movie and I he he's been.
11:02
James Crosslin: He's openly said like I am not going to criticize this movie, this movie.
11:05
James Crosslin: Thank you anyone for making my works into film.
11:09
James Crosslin: I appreciate you.
11:10
James Crosslin: I will never criticize this movie and then paul giamatti showed up yeah, paul giamatti was was was the best part of the movie.
11:17
James Crosslin: Paul giamatti was the best part of the movie.
11:19
James Crosslin: Paul Giamatti was the best part of the movie.
11:22
Ryan Baron North: He always kind of is the best part of what he's in he steals the show.
11:26
Ryan Baron North: He really does.
11:28
Ryan Baron North: Very hilarious guy.
11:33
James Crosslin: He is.
11:33
James Crosslin: What about you?
11:45
Ryan Baron North: How did you feel about the movie?
11:46
Ryan Baron North: So it was, it felt like a.
11:47
Ryan Baron North: It felt like a cobbled together labor of love.
11:48
Ryan Baron North: Honestly, they, they found this.
11:49
Ryan Baron North: They probably found this book that they enjoyed in a fucking Barnes and Noble it was.
11:53
Ryan Baron North: It was weird, it was sort of out there and they're like, well, let's see what we could do with it.
11:59
Ryan Baron North: It introduced some very rudimentary philosophy.
12:03
Ryan Baron North: A lot of it we've already touched on in this show.
12:06
Ryan Baron North: It starts with a thesis ship with the X.
12:13
Ryan Baron North: I mean which, knowing that rudimentary philosophy, I mean it's enough to get you laid at a college party.
12:18
Ryan Baron North: You?
12:19
James Crosslin: know when did this movie come out?
12:22
Ryan Baron North: In 2007?
12:23
Ryan Baron North: I don't, I don't fucking know, it wasn't that late was it hold on I'm gonna look at it.
12:26
Ryan Baron North: Yeah, like the year we graduated from high school, it wasn't that fucking late oh my god, apparently it was the year of our lord, 2012.
12:37
James Crosslin: Okay, you gotta be fucking.
12:39
James Crosslin: No, this was way too late.
12:42
James Crosslin: That that was way too late.
12:43
James Crosslin: The book, of course, came out earlier.
12:46
Ryan Baron North: Jason jason parsons book came out and it still maintains a fandom.
12:50
Ryan Baron North: Yeah, if I remember right, he's got one or two of them he's got very he's got a very rabid fan base for his stuff he's really big on book talk.
12:59
Ryan Baron North: I don't like tiktok, but yeah, but honestly so I'll give book talk credit just because it's keeping it is kind of keeping alive the written word yeah making it sort of trendy and holy shit.
13:18
Ryan Baron North: Do we need that?
13:18
Ryan Baron North: But um, uh, I mean, like I see things about like just you know, uh, like I.
13:25
Ryan Baron North: so you know I own a motorcycle and so I'm targeted all the time by douchebag biker dudes and like half of them are like riding down to barnes and noble to pick up some book dot girlies, and so you know, it's, it's, it's a trend, and you know I'm happy that we aren't just completely abandoning you know the particular art that I've chosen to chase after my life.
13:48
Ryan Baron North: But yeah, I forget where I was going with this.
13:52
Ryan Baron North: Oh, yeah, books are good.
13:55
Ryan Baron North: Yeah, books are good, books are good and yeah, so, like I said, I think someone found this book, someone enjoyed it and they kind of labored or loved it.
14:04
Ryan Baron North: It was obviously a b movie.
14:06
Ryan Baron North: I did enjoy, um, the two main characters.
14:10
Ryan Baron North: I I thought they balanced each other well.
14:13
Ryan Baron North: I thought, uh, like the first dude, like the main guy, not john david, david david, he, david wong, he comes off like sort of, you know, like talking to a fucking shoe, but he, it becomes his character and eventually you're like I've met his character.
14:31
James Crosslin: His character is the personality of his shoe.
14:34
Ryan Baron North: But like I've met that guy and uh, I thought he was well balanced by john.
14:39
Ryan Baron North: I thought the guy who uh played as john, I thought he was well balanced by John.
14:41
Ryan Baron North: I thought the guy who played as John I thought he was fun.
14:45
James Crosslin: I do not think they were diametrically opposed at all.
14:47
James Crosslin: I feel like they were in fact just totally random.
14:53
Ryan Baron North: There were a few lines that I enjoyed and I liked the way John just sort of played into it, like, um, my friend John, here, he uh, he has poor eyesight on the on the account of his constant masturbation and he's just in the corner nodding respectfully at the comment and like like, all right, I can't even enjoy the cheekiness of it.
15:15
Ryan Baron North: Um, I liked the bratwurst, um cell phone, um, I, you know.
15:23
Ryan Baron North: So there were, there were a few things that I'm like all right, that's, that's fun, that's fun it.
15:27
Ryan Baron North: It was like a, it was like a less fleshed out rick and morty, yeah, like sort of this universal cosmic nihilism.
15:37
Ryan Baron North: But it's like fuck it.
15:40
Ryan Baron North: It's funny instead of it's depressing and I'm divorced right right exactly which I can appreciate.
15:48
James Crosslin: Yes, I don't think it was.
15:50
James Crosslin: In my opinion, it wasn't funny enough.
16:00
James Crosslin: It was neither.
16:01
James Crosslin: It was neither this kind of early 2000s nihilism or like what was it?
16:11
James Crosslin: What's the word?
16:12
James Crosslin: I'm looking for Aloofness.
16:14
James Crosslin: It was like an aloofness from the characters about what was happening to them.
16:20
James Crosslin: That made them feel.
16:22
James Crosslin: It made me feel uncommitted To what they were doing.
16:26
James Crosslin: Because they felt uncommitted and it's like okay, if you want to make a point about commitment and about surrogates For our viewpoints and stuff like that, okay, but also, you want me to care about your piece of media I?
16:43
James Crosslin: It's hard for me to care when they don't care well I?
16:47
Ryan Baron North: it sounds to me like we may be on the golden path.
16:51
Ryan Baron North: Oh yeah, we're already there that makes sense it might be time to uh line them up one last time and get into the high drunk thoughts of this thing.
17:03
Ryan Baron North: So let's load them up, I'm gonna pour right there.
17:08
Ryan Baron North: There we go.
17:09
Ryan Baron North: It's only 100 horsepower.
17:10
Ryan Baron North: I could afford a little bit extra here.
17:13
Ryan Baron North: We are all right.
17:16
Ryan Baron North: Um.
17:17
James Crosslin: So yeah, let's, but I am, I am we normally we kind of we have good opinions on what it was and so it's kind of going to be interesting to sort of bounce like these negative thoughts off of it too, especially from a guy that you know we're obviously like in approval.
17:42
James Crosslin: Yeah, yeah, I'm in approval of David Wong.
17:43
James Crosslin: I think that his writing is better than this adaptation of his movie.
17:44
Ryan Baron North: Well, I'm in approval of David Wong.
17:45
Ryan Baron North: I think that his writing is better than this adaptation of his movie.
17:46
Ryan Baron North: Well.
17:48
James Crosslin: I'm going to have to pick up the book to compare.
17:53
James Crosslin: I think I own this book For real.
17:54
James Crosslin: Yeah, I think so.
17:56
James Crosslin: I think this was gifted to me and I read part of this book.
17:58
James Crosslin: I don't know if I made it all the way to the end, but I found the writing enjoyable Okay.
18:02
Ryan Baron North: Well.
18:05
James Crosslin: I mean I just throw, I put down books and movies and shit all the time and just don't finish up.
18:08
Ryan Baron North: Who's got the fucking time?
18:09
Ryan Baron North: Yeah, I'm in the middle of buttfuck Missouri right now, and so a bookstore around here?
18:14
Ryan Baron North: No, not a fucking chance.
18:15
Ryan Baron North: So I'm going to have to make a journey.
18:18
Ryan Baron North: So here's our final one, right here, as written.
18:23
James Crosslin: Lisa Dalgai.
18:25
Ryan Baron North: As written.
18:26
Ryan Baron North: Oh there it is, man I finally speaking, of which I finally fucking worked through that Titanic Doom episode we did.
18:36
Ryan Baron North: That'll be coming out today.
18:39
James Crosslin: Oh, awesome.
18:41
Ryan Baron North: Thanks for doing that, man oh yeah, that was, that was a, that was a toughie and I've been sort of, uh, life has been coming at me with its pants down and so it's been tough, but I'm I'm spending this sort of week here just knocking it out, getting that content out there to the people who've been uh, who've been demanding it, knocking down the gates for it, kind of thing, you know yeah, just blowing up your phone at 3 am.
19:04
James Crosslin: When's the next episode?
19:07
Ryan Baron North: yeah, oh it's, it's, it's exhausting, it's exhausting, you know, and just, oh my god, the the women throwing themselves at me I don't want it.
19:16
James Crosslin: Oh my god, oh my god oh, it's terrible.
19:20
Ryan Baron North: I all this drugs and sex that I don't want to be having.
19:24
James Crosslin: But I have it for the fans.
19:25
James Crosslin: There's expectations.
19:28
James Crosslin: Uh, you know.
19:30
James Crosslin: I tried watching the other guys again.
19:33
James Crosslin: Yeah, the way Farrell treats his wife, yeah, like it is unbearable.
19:46
James Crosslin: I can't watch the movie.
19:47
James Crosslin: I cannot finish the movie because of how like the violence against the verbal violence against a woman is, so it turns my stomach so hard.
19:58
James Crosslin: Every other part of the movie I feel is hilarious.
20:02
Ryan Baron North: But that was just.
20:02
Ryan Baron North: I haven't watched the movie in years.
20:06
Ryan Baron North: I'll have to revisit.
20:10
Ryan Baron North: Yeah, Eva Mendes, I'll have to revisit.
20:12
Ryan Baron North: See how we think about that.
20:16
James Crosslin: She's in such an abusive relationship it's so hard to watch.
20:20
Ryan Baron North: Well, I mean, you mean, you know gators, bitches and whatnot I'm supposed to be laughing, see this.
20:26
James Crosslin: This really segues us into the point where it's like the energy of a movie is really important and the energy of this movie was like aloof and getting dragged from place to place and not really being engaged or excited or driven, and the movie also felt that way you know, yeah, it made me feel that way and I wasn't excited and I wasn't engaged and I wasn't driven.
20:55
James Crosslin: It has a lot of like it's random.
21:00
James Crosslin: It's the I'm so random of movies, in my opinion.
21:08
Ryan Baron North: Well, speaking of finding white hairs in the beard.
21:12
Ryan Baron North: I wonder are we too old for this movie?
21:18
James Crosslin: Is the fact that we have encountered many pieces, of many more pieces of media before this one affecting our view of it?
21:26
James Crosslin: Probably?
21:27
Ryan Baron North: I mean, or could it, could it just be like, like we talked about right off the cuff, is they start this with fucking theseus's ship?
21:36
Ryan Baron North: It's super, um, rudimentary.
21:40
Ryan Baron North: So maybe this movie isn't for us.
21:44
Ryan Baron North: Maybe it's for us when we were 17, starting to become the future prolific hosts of high and dry podcast.
21:55
James Crosslin: Right, and that may be true.
21:57
James Crosslin: Right, that may absolutely be true, because this started as a serial release.
22:03
James Crosslin: So it was, it was.
22:04
James Crosslin: It was just written as a serial originally, before it was compiled into a book, and I just read that it started in 2001, which is, you know, around the time where we would have been just encountering opinions, and I have a note.
22:19
James Crosslin: I have a note about that specifically.
22:23
James Crosslin: I said this movie is introducing emo kids to several fleeting concepts like identity, predestination, causality, inhuman intelligence, uh, without actual, any actual discussion or exploration.
22:40
James Crosslin: Yeah, it just really throws a bunch of things out there okay, well, I mean.
22:49
Ryan Baron North: So I mean that may be it, because I mean I I feel like you know watching this.
22:54
Ryan Baron North: Just take me back to 2005 six.
22:58
Ryan Baron North: You know that region right there.
23:00
Ryan Baron North: This would have been right up my fucking alley and I feel like watching it.
23:08
Ryan Baron North: I definitely saw sort of a younger version of myself in John and I mean he's in a shit band.
23:20
James Crosslin: Yeah.
23:21
Ryan Baron North: Hold on a second.
23:22
James Crosslin: I have a quote here from the band.
23:24
James Crosslin: It is camel Holocaust hair, hair, hair, hair.
23:30
James Crosslin: Exactly.
23:32
James Crosslin: I was like this is so fucking stupid yeah.
23:36
Ryan Baron North: Yeah, so that's what I'm saying and it just wasn't for us.
23:41
Ryan Baron North: But in that same scene I thought it was also cool.
23:44
Ryan Baron North: I liked the sort of the empathy that we were having for an amputee they made jokes with her hand later, did they?
23:57
James Crosslin: they made jokes about her hand, yes, like at the very end when she lifts her prosthetic hand to his face like yeah, you're right, you're right they had a few scenes where the prosthetic was a joke and I was like, oh my god yeah, well, I mean right off the bat, though.
24:15
Ryan Baron North: She was talking about just the phantom limb syndrome and the dude and, like the people who were coming down on her were immediately viewed as assholes right so yeah so.
24:29
James Crosslin: But here's the thing, yeah.
24:30
James Crosslin: So, yes, they did.
24:31
James Crosslin: They were like, don't be an asshole about, you know, people's disabilities, but what it was really there to do was to set up the phantom limb thing, and and the whole jason's writing does this.
24:43
James Crosslin: I've read a little bit of the zoe series.
24:45
James Crosslin: Zoe's too drunk for this universe, I think, was one of the one I I I read quite a few passages from, and his writing is a lot about non-sequiturs that turn out to not be non-sequiturs, like they come back right and but they're without this cohesion of story.
25:07
James Crosslin: They're without the cohesion of the story and therefore their setups and callbacks that are more non-sequitur and for a young person who hasn't encountered non-sequitur humor before would would probably have a lot more of a fun time with that yeah, okay yeah, sure, plant payoffs great, but a lot of time there's story in there.
25:36
James Crosslin: These are like hidden planted payoffs where the dude just mentions phantom limb in the first like scene at that party or whatever, and then and then it comes back way later in the movie but for like they're, they just like wanted you to think about it for a second, yeah, and and then and then they brought it back and sure, that's a storytelling mechanic where you're like why the fuck would they mention that?
26:00
Ryan Baron North: well, yeah, that seems weird.
26:01
Ryan Baron North: I mean they just stunned the shit out of it.
26:04
James Crosslin: But but there's a bunch of things in this movie that have no bearing on anything that they're just saying.
26:11
James Crosslin: There are 6394.
26:14
Ryan Baron North: Yeah, right, so he's just throwing down, yeah, rudimentary philosophy that they, that, they, that they picked up somewhere.
26:24
James Crosslin: And again, I, I gotta, I gotta, read this book now to see if it was the film or if it was the book, because I'm I'm really curious I think so I enjoyed the book more that I, the parts of the book that I read, which is most of the book, uh, more than the movie, even though I didn't finish the book and I finished the movie.
26:46
James Crosslin: I just don't.
26:47
James Crosslin: I, I have a hard time getting through books.
26:50
James Crosslin: I have a problem with it.
26:53
Ryan Baron North: Oh, yeah, but uh you gotta get on that book talk.
26:55
Ryan Baron North: I like books, but I just like it, it's it's feels strenuous to do it, and I enjoy movies more.
27:06
Ryan Baron North: Well and then.
27:06
Ryan Baron North: So there were other parts of the the film than the film that were cinema cinema I did like the dog's suicide bomb.
27:22
James Crosslin: I did like the dog's suicide bomb I was so I had such a distaste in my mouth of the movie at that point that I couldn't enjoy it, and I feel like I should have.
27:33
Ryan Baron North: I feel like I should have.
27:33
Ryan Baron North: I love the dog, just like closing his eyes, accepting his fate and for like the greater good of the universe.
27:40
Ryan Baron North: I did enjoy that.
27:43
James Crosslin: I felt like the movie wasn't funny enough.
27:44
James Crosslin: That have been a like that's a great premise.
27:46
James Crosslin: Yeah, it's a hilarious premise.
27:48
James Crosslin: Uh, that's too bad.
27:50
James Crosslin: I'm glad.
27:51
James Crosslin: I'm glad that that you're able to cut through that and see, like, get a lot of joy out of that scene.
27:58
James Crosslin: It just sucks that it didn't land for me.
28:01
Ryan Baron North: Yeah, no, I think it was.
28:04
Ryan Baron North: I think the main thing for me was just being able to, I guess, reconnect with how shallow and undeveloped I was when I was John's age and so, seeing the way he acted and the way he behaved and these very, very fleeting glimpses of some form of maturity and enlightenment, and then immediately going back to fucking nonsense and all that sort of things, I was able to identify, at least at that stage in my life with John.
28:50
Ryan Baron North: Remembering who I was back then allowed me to kind of delve into the film a little, the cinema a little more, yeah, and I think it's just.
29:09
Ryan Baron North: I think it's just, uh, this was not for 35 year old Ryan, this was definitely for 17 year old Ryan, right?
29:18
James Crosslin: Right, the, uh, the, the dreams.
29:21
James Crosslin: The dreams were so dumb that they were recounted like Paul Giamatti's mom whipping him with a lash made of penises and uh, that's not what dreams are like.
29:31
Ryan Baron North: Yeah, yeah.
29:32
James Crosslin: Nobody has dreams like that.
29:33
James Crosslin: Nobody has a dream where their ex is sitting on a big pile of cartoon dynamite, yeah.
29:39
Ryan Baron North: And then that that big pile of cartoon dynamite, yeah, and then that that.
29:48
Ryan Baron North: That pissed me off because I liked the premise of asking how did your mind know the thunder was coming?
29:53
James Crosslin: right, yeah, that's the philosophical concept?
29:56
Ryan Baron North: yeah, and it was.
29:58
Ryan Baron North: It was muddled by cartoon dynamite in a dream.
30:02
Ryan Baron North: No one has ever, ever dreamt of cartoon dynamite, you know, I except for like the dude who actually wrote Jason the road runner for goddamn Warner brothers that guy, he's the only one.
30:17
James Crosslin: He dreams about it because he was sitting there drawing it all day and his mind, his mind dreams the things he encounters.
30:24
Ryan Baron North: Exactly yeah, no, and oh, jesus Christ.
30:27
Ryan Baron North: So, like they were, they I would say that that's the the big thing about this was always on the cusp of touching on something worthwhile, but then fucking it up with cartoon dynamite.
30:45
James Crosslin: Yeah, yeah, that's a great, that's a great way to put it.
30:48
James Crosslin: Uh, uh, I feel like it tripped over its own feet a lot with with being.
30:53
James Crosslin: It took some things really seriously Like it.
30:57
James Crosslin: It tried to have.
30:58
James Crosslin: It tried to have big things to say at times, or at least emphasized it like big things to say and I was like I didn't think that was that big yeah, I feel like.
31:10
Ryan Baron North: I feel like this is this is uh sophomore shit, which is exactly what it is, which I guess, that's kind of who it's for well, I mean, I think it was, wasn't it the second episode ever of high and dry, when turk was the third host?
31:30
Ryan Baron North: Yeah, we did these, we did these ship and that's all.
31:35
Ryan Baron North: The axe was in the beginning, and we started with theseus's ship and the trolley problem, because that's where you should start.
31:44
James Crosslin: Yeah, that's true.
31:45
Ryan Baron North: Yeah.
31:46
James Crosslin: That's true.
31:47
Ryan Baron North: And that's where I hate.
31:47
Ryan Baron North: Look this film.
31:49
Ryan Baron North: This cinema had Paul Giamatti sign off, all right, so if I can put some respect, on it.
31:56
James Crosslin: It had Paul Giamatti using a hard R yeah.
32:01
James Crosslin: Paul Giamatti using a hard R yeah, paul.
32:03
Ryan Baron North: Giamatti drops a hard R In this movie.
32:07
Ryan Baron North: He sat down read the script and was like, yeah, the hard R for a white man is a beautiful actress deciding it's time to show her breasts.
32:24
James Crosslin: Beautiful actress deciding it's time to show her breasts and and paul giamatti decided that john dies at the end was his heart.
32:30
James Crosslin: Our film wait.
32:30
James Crosslin: Can I say the n word in this one?
32:34
Ryan Baron North: yes, and he did yeah that's what he.
32:37
James Crosslin: He asked for it when they were like Paul.
32:39
James Crosslin: We want you to play this character.
32:40
James Crosslin: Can I say the N word Then?
32:43
Ryan Baron North: he's like yes, yes, because you can.
32:46
Ryan Baron North: Actually, it's weird that you brought that up unprovoked.
32:50
James Crosslin: How did your brain know that you'd get to say the N word?
32:53
James Crosslin: And then the camera zooms in?
32:58
James Crosslin: Holy shit.
32:59
James Crosslin: How did I know.
33:02
Ryan Baron North: So it's actually a very commonly known thing in Hollywood that Paul Giamatti has always asked, whenever he's offered a role, if this is the one, and he finally got it with this B film.
33:18
Ryan Baron North: Finally got it with this B film Because, I mean, for whatever reason, tarantino has never been knocking down Paul Giamatti's door, and so he thought it would never happen.
33:34
James Crosslin: Paul Giamatti wanted he didn't want it to get lost in the stream of hard R's in the movie that's why he couldn't do a Tarantino In a Tarantino film.
33:43
James Crosslin: Doesn't stand out at all.
33:45
James Crosslin: That guy sucks.
33:47
James Crosslin: Why, why?
33:49
James Crosslin: In every movie.
33:50
Ryan Baron North: He was actually originally put in to be Leonardo DiCaprio in Django Unchained and he's like.
33:57
Ryan Baron North: I feel like my hard R will be lost.
34:01
James Crosslin: I just want to say it once as a punctuation.
34:06
Ryan Baron North: And that's how Leonardo DiCaprio got the role.
34:09
James Crosslin: Yeah, because he was more comfortable.
34:11
James Crosslin: He was like can I say it 40 times?
34:16
Ryan Baron North: Yeah, and this is why people come to High and Dry is to find out all this fucking dirt that you know behind the scenes that only we are privy to.
34:24
Ryan Baron North: Oh man, yeah, no, but that, yeah, he did drop that, though, and he felt that this was the film for that.
34:33
Ryan Baron North: But, uh, jesus Christ, where the fuck were we going with this?
34:38
Ryan Baron North: I?
34:40
James Crosslin: I don't know.
34:40
James Crosslin: This movie is like concepts.
34:42
James Crosslin: It introduces.
34:43
Ryan Baron North: I, yeah, I'd say that.
34:44
James Crosslin: I would say that I would say that this movie, if you watch it with friends, everybody would have questions, right, everybody would be asking each other questions and I would say that it would, uh, definitely spawn conversation.
34:56
James Crosslin: The problem is like we I as a, as a older person, I guess this spawns very little conversation for me, like I've seen, yeah, no, I would be at that party.
35:11
Ryan Baron North: I would be at that party where we decided to watch John dies at the end and going like oh.
35:15
Ryan Baron North: Oh boy, where were all these, where all these people I was starting to talk to now are like being introduced to theseus's fucking ship?
35:25
Ryan Baron North: I'm like, oh my god, what's?
35:27
James Crosslin: happened to me.
35:28
James Crosslin: Oh no, why did they laugh when he didn't want to touch the dick?
35:32
James Crosslin: I thought that was stupid.
35:33
James Crosslin: I thought you just touched the dick just over the door.
35:35
James Crosslin: It's a dick, whatever they're laughing like crazy.
35:40
Ryan Baron North: Too much, too much.
35:42
Ryan Baron North: Yeah, no, I'm in a room with a bunch of joe rogan fans and I didn't know that before I watched this film I wouldn't touch a dick to save my life yeah, I didn't, I didn't ask yeah.
36:00
Ryan Baron North: Oh yeah, those are the people.
36:03
Ryan Baron North: Those are the people, definitely.
36:07
James Crosslin: And oh my.
36:07
Ryan Baron North: God Dude, I got to tell you, living out here in Missouri for work, it's for work.
36:14
Ryan Baron North: I have met so many of those people.
36:28
James Crosslin: And, dude, some of them are in their 40s.
36:29
Ryan Baron North: Yeah, it's wild, they're all, oh, my god oh my god, well, no I don't even, I don't even think they would attach to john dies at the end because, uh, fucking john would be awakening, like this bisexuality that they've never fucking dealt with.
36:44
Ryan Baron North: You know, that's true, and and it would just be too much.
36:47
Ryan Baron North: It would just be too much.
36:49
Ryan Baron North: Um, it's, oh, my god, like, oh, I mean, it's just there's, there's people out there who really really need to get and just touch with themselves, think about something that makes them uncomfortable, you know, and get to the other side of it, do some fucking growth, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right.
37:14
Ryan Baron North: Well, with that being said, it's time to delve into the third part of this thing.
37:20
Ryan Baron North: It's time for the what, if?
37:21
Ryan Baron North: All right, it's time to insert ourselves into this fucking paul giamatti dropping hard r's nightmare.
37:33
Ryan Baron North: How does this change?
37:36
Ryan Baron North: So?
37:37
Ryan Baron North: So, james, you've inserted yourself into Paul Giamatti dies at the end, into John dies at the end I mean he does, he does actually Spoiler alert.
37:51
James Crosslin: For this 12-year-old movie oh my God, it's been that long and 23-year-old old book, essentially.
38:01
Ryan Baron North: Wow, Well, that's crazy.
38:02
Ryan Baron North: Well so, James, how does it change now that that you're in it?
38:12
James Crosslin: I don't know, it's so.
38:13
James Crosslin: It's so there.
38:16
James Crosslin: There isn't anything here.
38:17
James Crosslin: I don't know what to say.
38:19
Ryan Baron North: There's nothing there.
38:20
James Crosslin: There's nothing there.
38:21
James Crosslin: There's nothing there because the the character doesn't make any choices, it.
38:27
James Crosslin: Things just happen to the main character, the.
38:31
James Crosslin: The choices don't make any sense by design.
38:34
James Crosslin: He keeps getting calls from future john, and, and it's.
38:40
James Crosslin: It can be used anywhere as a deus ex machina, what.
38:43
James Crosslin: What am I supposed to do with this?
38:44
James Crosslin: Essentially, I just I don't have the time in this one to write a new story, just write a story about myself story, yeah, no.
38:53
Ryan Baron North: Well, so are you?
38:55
Ryan Baron North: Uh are you.
38:57
James Crosslin: there's nothing here.
38:58
James Crosslin: I would kill myself to deny whatever cosmic force wanted me to take part in this terrible story.
39:08
James Crosslin: I would kill myself Out of spite.
39:20
Ryan Baron North: Solid.
39:21
James Crosslin: Solid.
39:21
James Crosslin: Well, are you David Wong or are you?
39:28
James Crosslin: Uh, are you david wong or are you john, doesn't matter.
39:29
James Crosslin: I guess I killed myself.
39:30
James Crosslin: I killed one of us and then the other, and I annihilate our friendship I shoot him and then I shoot myself, all right.
39:40
James Crosslin: Cool.
39:52
James Crosslin: What could I have done differently?
39:54
James Crosslin: They didn't make any choices and just got dragged from one thing to another.
39:58
James Crosslin: They did.
40:03
Ryan Baron North: They did just get dragged from each fucking thing.
40:05
Ryan Baron North: Oh, my god.
40:05
Ryan Baron North: Oh, this is what happens when I just I message you in the morning like I, I don't know, I'm seeing john dies at the end, let's see what happens now for me.
40:16
Ryan Baron North: Uh shit, well, I mean.
40:19
Ryan Baron North: So if you take me right now and all of a sudden I get hit by the soy sauce sure, apparently you've got a plan, apparently you've got a plan well, I mean it would definitely shit, I mean it would definitely change, I mean it would definitely change my trajectory hands down.
40:44
Ryan Baron North: So just taking it that way, so stepping out of the film, I have this syringe of cosmic entity and I've been hit with it.
40:55
Ryan Baron North: How would that alter my life?
40:57
Ryan Baron North: I mean, I'm definitely not going to work tomorrow, that's for fucking sure.
41:02
James Crosslin: Well, maybe you are, Maybe you're supposed to go to work and maybe at work you know that pig head that was controlled like living.
41:12
James Crosslin: It was the first living computer that shows up in the break room fridge at your work, and that's what I now have to deal with it.
41:21
James Crosslin: It's literally that's the entire movie, man.
41:24
James Crosslin: That's the entire movie.
41:25
James Crosslin: It's just things show up and then they have to deal with it.
41:29
Ryan Baron North: Yeah, yeah, well then.
41:30
Ryan Baron North: So then here's my question for you.
41:32
Ryan Baron North: Then, so, instead of because we can't put ourselves into this film that wasn't made for us, right?
41:40
Ryan Baron North: We can't put ourselves into it, so let's just take the soy sauce and put it into us.
41:46
Ryan Baron North: Ooh, okay, how does that change our lives?
41:52
Ryan Baron North: So, fuck, john dies at the end and we're just going to pull out, I guess, the catalyst and put it into our lives instead of this film.
42:03
James Crosslin: Well, I'd have some fucking direction.
42:05
James Crosslin: Let me tell you, if the soy sauce hit me, I'd want to learn about it.
42:10
James Crosslin: They don't seem to want to learn.
42:12
James Crosslin: No, they don't seem to give a shit.
42:14
James Crosslin: They're very anti-learning guys.
42:17
James Crosslin: Well, paul giamatti's ghost says that, listen, if you get these hands in someone some kind of side, if you get these in some kind of scientist's hands, they're going to lose their shit.
42:28
James Crosslin: What is this?
42:29
James Crosslin: Let's figure out what this is.
42:30
James Crosslin: It's crazy, that's what I'd do.
42:33
James Crosslin: I'd go down to the community college and I'd meet some interesting individual who has nothing better to do and I'd say I need some help figuring out what this is.
42:45
James Crosslin: It gives me psychic powers, demons, blah, blah, blah, because things are popping up everywhere.
42:51
James Crosslin: I don't have to like try hard, I anywhere I go, something's apparently gonna happen to me.
42:55
James Crosslin: So I have a bunch of evidence.
42:58
James Crosslin: I'm just collecting evidence.
42:59
James Crosslin: I got fucking crates full of full of spider leeches and shit just just waiting to be figured out what's going on.
43:06
James Crosslin: They don't seem particularly hard to capture or anything.
43:09
James Crosslin: Yeah.
43:11
Ryan Baron North: You're right.
43:13
Ryan Baron North: No, so if I got my hands on this soy sauce, I mean how it would change my life?
43:18
Ryan Baron North: Fuck, I don't even, Because I think my main.
43:24
Ryan Baron North: I would say that my main issue is always trying to find the knowing that happiness comes from inside, but always looking outside to find it Right.
43:40
Ryan Baron North: And now, all of a sudden, I know everything about the outside.
43:45
James Crosslin: Oh, that's interesting and.
43:47
James Crosslin: Now there's nowhere else to turn Now.
43:49
Ryan Baron North: there's nowhere else to turn now there's nowhere else to turn, and so I I think it would have forced a confrontation like a personal myself, yeah so all these things that I chase after in the external um, whether it's a job, a location, a relationship, whatever it is, you know, I know how they all turn out and there's no longer an excitement within those things, and so the soy sauce then in my life would force me like absolutely force me, inward, yeah, and so I think it would have a very profound impact yeah, honestly, their society at the end didn't seem too bad.
44:37
James Crosslin: There's their alternate society with gorok titties everywhere, titties everywhere.
44:42
James Crosslin: We worship gorok, hell yeah, everybody's everybody's wearing masks and shit, so it seems like a cool place.
44:49
James Crosslin: They all have like a bunch of like infinite knowledge and shit seems cool whatever a few people get thrown into the knowledge machine.
45:00
James Crosslin: Are you telling me that somehow our earth and system are better than people getting thrown into the machine to keep things churning Well at?
45:10
Ryan Baron North: least there they're up front with it.
45:12
James Crosslin: Yeah, they're like we're going to take you to the machine and it's going to assimilate you.
45:17
Ryan Baron North: You're going to allow us to keep having all these titties out and just enjoy life.
45:24
James Crosslin: I know.
45:25
Ryan Baron North: Yeah, the dog who killed itself wasn't really thinking.
45:33
James Crosslin: It was a, it was a libertarian extremist.
45:36
James Crosslin: He actually uh, he was, uh, he was a big fan of the Unabomber, yeah.
45:42
Ryan Baron North: The dog in this film was just a libertarian extremist.
45:45
James Crosslin: Left a manifesto on his hard drive.
45:52
Ryan Baron North: Yeah, and he just had to destroy this other world that he didn't have access to.
45:55
Ryan Baron North: He, his mind and his insecurities did not allow him to be in a place where it was just about fucking titties and chilling, yeah, whatever.
46:08
Ryan Baron North: What a dumb ass.
46:10
Ryan Baron North: Oh my god, libertarians, that's what we think of you, by the way.
46:20
James Crosslin: Yeah, yeah, but you know they're probably not listening to this podcast they, they want to be the ones grinding the people with their own hands yeah instead of yeah exactly instead of just out there enjoying the titties it's like I want to be the monster machine.
46:36
James Crosslin: And in the perfect world, nobody's responsible for anything and they're just responsible for themselves.
46:43
James Crosslin: So if you which when you take that to its logical conclusion you're not responsible for anything that happens to anybody else, and so it's, and so it's a worse system.
46:55
Ryan Baron North: Exactly, yeah, no, and uh, well, well to uh to close out this final segment.
47:05
Ryan Baron North: Or are in your life, um just, are there any other ways that the soy sauce?
47:12
James Crosslin: would change your life.
47:13
James Crosslin: I don't know.
47:13
James Crosslin: I feel like it'd be really overwhelming.
47:15
James Crosslin: I don't know.
47:16
James Crosslin: Maybe, maybe the zest for life would go away if you knew everything that was going to happen.
47:22
James Crosslin: I guess that.
47:23
James Crosslin: I guess they didn't.
47:24
James Crosslin: I don't know.
47:25
James Crosslin: Did they know everything that was gonna happen?
47:28
Ryan Baron North: john did?
47:30
James Crosslin: john seemed to know everything that was gonna happen yeah david didn't seem to know anything that was gonna happen.
47:39
James Crosslin: Because, remember, he didn't seem to know anything.
47:42
Ryan Baron North: He only ever got pricked and then he only got that little cheek wound.
47:44
Ryan Baron North: He didn't take a full.
47:45
Ryan Baron North: Another one flew down his throat.
47:48
James Crosslin: Yeah, I think, and it was in a whole.
47:50
James Crosslin: It was in a whole thing.
47:52
James Crosslin: So those two little flies came out of a whole thing of it I just think.
47:58
James Crosslin: I just think that it's a mcguffin right for this movie to just make things happen.
48:06
Ryan Baron North: The soy sauce just makes things happen.
48:09
Ryan Baron North: I don't know.
48:10
Ryan Baron North: So what would a MacGuffin do to your life?
48:13
James Crosslin: I don't know, I have no idea yeah, wow.
48:16
James Crosslin: It doesn't matter.
48:17
James Crosslin: That's the thing is.
48:18
James Crosslin: It doesn't matter what it does.
48:21
James Crosslin: This movie is so fatalist that literally nothing matters, because whatever is going to happen is going to happen.
48:28
James Crosslin: Whatever is going to happen is going to happen.
48:30
James Crosslin: Whatever is going to resolve is going to resolve.
48:31
James Crosslin: Literally, I'd just be along for the ride, would I know that I was just along for the ride?
48:38
James Crosslin: I might.
48:38
James Crosslin: And therefore it takes all the je ne veux away.
48:43
James Crosslin: I don't feel the zest of life because too much shit is happening all the time.
48:50
James Crosslin: And then I apparently know is going to happen and it's just like I'm so I'll.
48:55
James Crosslin: I'll feel how I did during this movie, where I was like, yeah, okay.
49:02
Ryan Baron North: Yeah, you bring up a great point.
49:03
Ryan Baron North: Yeah, no, and half of I feel what defines me personally is my, I guess, adventurousness, and if you take away mystery, I guess I'd lose half of myself.
49:25
James Crosslin: You would have gone and helped those guys at the end of the movie?
49:27
James Crosslin: I would have yeah, probably yeah, those guys at the end of the movie.
49:28
James Crosslin: I would have, yeah probably.
49:30
Ryan Baron North: Yeah, I don't give a shit about this basketball game, but if you had soy sauce, would you?
49:35
James Crosslin: I don't know if you got, if soy sauce like was just like.
49:39
James Crosslin: Oh yeah, every dimension is going through this bullshit their own shit and yeah, whatever, this is just a drop of the bucket.
49:45
James Crosslin: Who gives a shit?
49:47
James Crosslin: Yeah, maybe, and I mean, if that's the case, then as you walked away from them, like I was like all right, cool guys, you guys seem great.
50:03
James Crosslin: Yeah, you guys are awesome yeah, no, I'm glad you're the ones yeah, right, well, I mean at that, at that point I've.
50:12
Ryan Baron North: I guess I died when I took that soy sauce because all the things on me are gone.
50:15
Ryan Baron North: Yeah, it's pretty weird and I just get trapped in.
50:19
Ryan Baron North: Whatever the fuck.
50:20
James Crosslin: This is paul giamatti, given the hard r, forever one of the questions that I would end up asking at at the college.
50:32
James Crosslin: At the college uh hangout where we watched john dies at the end and someone's smelly cum covered dorm room, we would, um, I would ask, uh, if, if this guy was all a figment of, uh, dave's imagination, david's imagination, if that, if that detective was dead the whole time and and you know, paul gmi was just a figment of David's imagination, if that detective was dead the whole time and Paul GMI was just a figment he's been dead for weeks.
50:54
James Crosslin: What about the dream with the lashing penises from the night before?
50:59
James Crosslin: Right, yeah Is that just you mentally masturbating about a quirky thing.
51:05
James Crosslin: I think so it's just mental masturbation at that point and it's like, alright, yeah, that tells me about all I need to know about this movie.
51:15
James Crosslin: It's like it's mental masturbation for for, just for just coming up with.
51:21
James Crosslin: Wouldn't it be cool if?
51:24
Ryan Baron North: and there you have it, folks.
51:25
Ryan Baron North: So yeah, john dies at the end.
51:28
Ryan Baron North: It's mental masturbation.
51:30
Ryan Baron North: So thanks you all for listening.
51:35
Ryan Baron North: I'm your host, ryan barron north with me, as always, james crossland, hope you.
51:39
James Crosslin: I mean you probably shouldn't watch that one, but how did you know that this was the end of the podcast?
51:44
James Crosslin: It just felt like it.
51:47
Ryan Baron North: I saw the cartoon dynamite.
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Ryan Baron North: Thanks everybody, bye, bye.