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The Topics We Were Excited or Afraid to Publish (S05 Ep70) · ZoukNerds • Learn | Build | Belong

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  I do actually believe there is a lot of people who are interested
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  in those topics of intimacy, sensuality and sexual energy but
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  maybe don't have the right people to talk with.
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  What we shared, especially in the sexual energy episode, if we
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  had this podcast 10 years ago, that 10 years ago, he wouldn't
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  be able to share, not even close about the things that I was able
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  to share in this episode because of the growth they experienced
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  over time. Sometimes I'm a little worried
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  when we are recording because I don't know what I don't know and
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  I don't know what is too much. Yeah, it was almost like we
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  talked about something that people were craving to hear more
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  of, and we delivered a content and this content and people just
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  consuming it so avidly. Let's remember, most of the
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  times we are just two people looking at a camera recording
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  and not knowing if anybody's going to watch or listen or be
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  interested about it. But I think for our audience,
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  there is this beautiful fascination with the journey.
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  You know how you go from not knowing anything to knowing
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  everything? Or you're never going to know
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  everything but you're knowing more stuff?
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  What were the most watched and most discussed topics of the
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  last year? Why were episodes on intimacy,
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  sexual energy, and beginner guides the ones that you
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  couldn't stop listening to? And how is the data revealing
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  what the community truly craves in 2026?
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  Well, let's find out. Hello.
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  Hello, everyone, and welcome back to Zook Nerds.
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  In this episode, Guy, Prada and I take a look back at our most
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  successful year yet. We'll share our top five
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  episodes, the surprising reasons why certain topics went viral,
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  and which discussions made us the most nervous to publish.
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  We're also giving you a first look at the new directions we're
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  taking the podcast to help elevate the community in the
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  coming year. So let's go.
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  Hello, hello, everyone, and welcome back.
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  My name is Alison Sanji and let's welcome back our beautiful
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  Co host, GI Prada. Hello, GI.
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  Hello, Alison. Hello everybody.
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  Welcome back to Zook Nerds. In this episode, we're going to
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  be taking a look back into our last year, 2025 in all of the
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  episodes that, surprisingly, you seem to like.
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  More. Than we expected in some of the
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  topics. So numbers, people that we are,
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  we downloaded full statistic report of all of the episodes
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  and we were very surprised with two main topics, maybe not
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  topics, but categories of topics that we saw that you guys really
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  enjoyed. And we want to talk about it.
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  Why, how, what happened? Because let's remember, most of
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  the times we're just two people looking at a camera recording
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  and not knowing if anybody's going to watch or listen or be
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  interested about it. Yeah.
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  So this is very interesting to look at this and see what you
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  guys want. So, Gabe, what do you take from
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  this report that we now see here looking at the top five
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  episodes? Actually, for me it's not very
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  surprising that the first two episodes the most listened to or
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  what's 2 episodes? Not very surprising to me.
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  By the way, how long are we going to keep them, you know, on
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  a cliffhanger to tell them which episode we are talking about?
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  We can start right. Now we're going to hold the
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  information from them before. Let's just start seeing the
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  change of scenery. Right now I'm in Rio de Janeiro
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  and in my mother's house. Yeah, this used to be my
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  brother's room and now we purpose for my room.
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  So for the next couple months, actually, you might see
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  different sceneries, different places, because I'm going to be
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  travelling a lot. So today I'm in Rio, it's very
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  hot so the air conditioning is on it's maximum.
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  Everything you can see there is one fan over there and 1 fan
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  over here and 1 fan up there. So it's intense.
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  The summer here is intense. Coming back to the episodes, the
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  1st 2 episodes the most listened to, the first one was about
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  intimacy and sensuality in partner dancing.
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  I think this episode was just me and you, right, Alison, that we
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  talked about or was this the episode?
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  No, that one is with Nelly. Ah, yes, and the second one was
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  the episodes about sexual energy.
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  Yeah, the blurry lines imparted dance.
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  So not surprising for me that these episodes are the most
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  listened to or watched episodes. This is Spotify, right?
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  I think so. Yeah, but people can also watch
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  on Spotify. I don't know if you guys are
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  watching, listening and watching and just watching and just
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  listening. But these first two episodes,
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  they approach topics that man people in conversation.
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  You know that there's people in conversation.
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  They often approach these topics of intimacy on the dance of
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  sensuality, on the dance of sexual energy.
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  What is it? What does that mean?
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  And many different points of view, many different stories of
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  frustration, many different stories of discoveries,
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  different stories of, you know, of all different emotions
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  arising from these topics. So I'm very happy we did these
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  episodes. I think they were really
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  important for us to talk about these topics in a way that is
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  more calm, more gentle, partial and impartial at the same time.
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  It was amazing that we had Nelly here helping us and talking
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  about her perspective as a woman, as a primary follower in
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  the Brazilian Zook community and how she approaches this topics
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  and talk about this topics with her students and when she's
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  social dancing. So it's for me like a bunch of
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  topics that I think we can talk more of actually, right.
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  I just, I don't know what you think, but only one episode of
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  each thing. We might need to come back to
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  this topics. And I think people would like it
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  if we go back to them and expand on them because what we shared,
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  especially in the sexual energy episode, if we had this podcast
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  10 years ago, the 10 years ago, he wouldn't be able to share,
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  not even close about the things that I was able to share in this
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  episode because of the growth, the experiences over time.
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  I believe that Alison, 10 years ago, Oh my gosh, how that
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  episode was that being with the US from 10 years, highly
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  censored. Exactly.
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  Or a lot of anxiety, you know, and have no idea what to say.
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  I think this could be very likely be a possibility.
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  Oh, saying a bunch of stuff that it would castless, you know,
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  people would like, Oh my God, what are they talking about?
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  Mostly because we didn't have the maturity to understand
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  things or just one point of view.
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  So time presents us with more point of view and hopefully with
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  more wisdom. So doing new episodes on this
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  topics I think would be really cool and I think you guys like
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  it. Yeah, To me, the surprising
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  factor was not that people listen to it the most, but the
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  fact that, as you said, this is something that we all talk
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  about. So I didn't expect as much
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  engagement because I thought, well, I mean, this is something
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  kind of normal, you know, like, why will people TuneIn into one
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  of our episodes to actually listen to this?
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  But looking from the other side, I do actually believe there's a
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  lot of people who are interested in those topics of intimacy,
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  sensuality and sexual energy, but maybe don't have the right
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  people to talk with. They are maybe in a smaller
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  community or they are new to the community or they're in a
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  position that they just don't feel comfortable enough to talk
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  to anybody about it. But they experience it, they
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  think about it, they feel it, and they just don't know what to
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  do. So I think those are the two
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  sides that I can imagine. But guys, please let us know.
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  Send us a message on Instagram or comment down below here on
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  Spotify, on YouTube so we can actually know what's going on.
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  So we can do more and we can do better.
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  And I do believe so we should and we can do more episodes that
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  are focused on those topics that we didn't think that they would
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  be very Zook nerdy, but we did think it was very important for
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  a dancer, for a person in the community because that's what we
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  are here. And I'm very happy that you guys
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  have approved because put it this way, last year we decided,
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  OK, let's be serious about this, let's make it weekly.
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  And then this year we pretty much did a full 12 months of
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  almost non-stop weekly episodes. We've missed a few here and
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  there because, you know, we're human and we are one man show on
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  each side. So we do our best and we hope
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  that you're OK with this. But this year for us, it was
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  very much a trial year where we were just talking about
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  everything that came forward into our minds.
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  Any question that you guys sent to us, any discussion that was
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  happening online in and outside of the Zuckerner's group?
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  So it was very much a test and trial here to know what you guys
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  like and what we like to talk about as well.
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  Because there were some topics that at the very beginning we
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  were like, I don't know if we can have an episode of this, can
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  we actually talk about it? I don't know.
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  And then we start recording and then boom, we have so much to
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  say. You know, we are also getting to
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  know ourselves. So thank you for the support.
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  But the other following the 3rd and 4th, those are the ones that
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  I had a strong belief that a lot of people would be tuning in.
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  Which are the Beginner's Guide to Brazilian Zook and From
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  Basics to Mastery, Your dance guide, episodes 47 and 55.
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  Those two, I have received so many messages of people saying,
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  Oh my God, I've listened to the Beginner's Guide to Brazilian
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  Zook multiple times and I've taken notes multiple times.
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  So I'm very, very excited to actually revisit this also in
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  the future because like we mentioned in those two episodes,
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  it's a constant evolving process.
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  We did these episodes in. Let me see here, June this year
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  and January this year. And I can tell you that right
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  now today, if we did this episodes, there's going to be so
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  many updates and maybe even some changes on how we do things in
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  our teaching, in our classes or in our own training.
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  And then the 5th, which is something that I think is very
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  close to our heart, is the episode 36, The Truth About Flow
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  and Connection. And I think that, yes, maybe the
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  name is a little abstract, what is the truth?
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  But it was an episode that we tried our best to really share
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  how we do this, what it is to achieve flow and connection in
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  our dance, and how we help people to do that.
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  So about those three other episodes, Gay, what do you have
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  to say? Yeah, dear beginner guides, let
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  me check the name here exactly. Yeah, The Beginner's Guide to
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  Resilience. Look, this was one of my
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  favorite episodes, I think to talk about and to share.
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  And because it's such a ever changing, evolving topic, there
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  is a continuous state of excitement to talk about it all
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  the time if I could. So I think doing more of these
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  episodes is definitely something that we want to do for short,
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  because like Alison said, we are evolving and constantly changing
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  as teachers, you know, as observers of the journey of
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  someone who is starting to dance from scratch.
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  And I know that many of you who are listening to this episode,
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  who are watching us are local teachers, community leaders,
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  people who are wanting to start something, either teaching or a
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  school or a community. And I know that we have also
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  some listeners that are really dedicated students in the sense
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  that take all the available classes in the place that they
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  are. So episodes in which we talk
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  about the journey, I think it speaks directly to the teacher
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  who wants to know how to take people on that journey and speak
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  directly to the people who are on that journey.
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  Yeah. And the teachers, too, are the
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  community leaders. They are at a different part of
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  the journey, so they can, you know, remember and maybe
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  reassess how their journey went. I don't know if you listen to
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  this, Addison, but perhaps this episode, the Beginner's Guide
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  and the Sexual Energy episode are the episodes that I got most
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  messages about directly on DMS. Did you add some?
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  What did you get? More from the Beginner's Guide
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  or more from the Sexual Energy? I did get more from the
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  beginner's guide. I think the sexual energy.
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  I got a few messages of appreciation for having the
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  courage to really bring this episode to life and share.
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  Because I'll tell you guys, sometimes I'm a little worried
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  when we are recording these episodes because I don't know.
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  I don't know what I don't know. I don't know what is too much.
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  So this year, like I said, is being a very big learning year
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  for us. And I do feel a little bit more
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  confident that we can talk about this and it's not going to be a
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  problem with you because you've supported us when talking about
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  this. So I feel less scared now.
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  But yes, sexual energy was a little more on the side of
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  appreciation for bringing this topic into a conversation.
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  But the beginner's guide was very much like, Oh my God, yes,
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  I want these. I want more of these.
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  I want Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, part 5.
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  Do this every six months. It was a different type of
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  excitement, yes. Yes, it was almost like we
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  talked about something that people were craving to hear more
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  of and we delivered a contents and this content and people just
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  consuming it so avidly. And like Allison, I got messages
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  from people all over wanting to know more and they asked for
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  Part 2, Part 3, part 4. So I think there is for our
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  audience, for you. They are listening.
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  There is this beautiful fascination with the journey.
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  You know how you go from not knowing anything to knowing
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  everything or you're never going to know everything, but you're
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  knowing more stuff and the from basics to mastery, your dance
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  guide, which is a very similar topic.
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  I don't remember. I just know exactly how we
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  differentiated the beginners guide, President Zook to the
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  from the basics to mastery. I don't remember if we talked
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  about like going through or going into the master level and
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  what you do that, how to do that.
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  Yeah. So from.
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  Memory, The Beginner's Guide was more focused on how we prepare
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  and how we teach our beginners and how to make it more
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  inclusive, how to make it more adaptable to grow every
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  community anywhere in the world. But the From Basics to Mastery
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  was more like how to train and how to evolve, how to get like
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  unstuck and have a certain path to a mastery, which is similar
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  to another very highly rated episode which is down here,
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  which is the plateau. Yeah, this dance plateau was one
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  of our most listened to episodes for a while.
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  It was the top now. Oh yeah, overcome.
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  Intermediate plateau and achieving true advanced level.
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  So right now it's on the 9th place, I think.
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  Yeah, 9th place. Not bad, not bad.
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  But that was our top episode for not a while, which is the
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  episode 11 of our season 5. And you see they're like from.
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  4th place I think 123456 the next 6 episodes.
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  Who are in the top they are all about becoming a better dancer,
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  going over the plateau, what is to become advanced, how to train
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  like a professional. That was another one.
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  So there is a big interest from you guys about really how to go
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  how to walk the walk of Brazilian Zook dancing.
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  And this is amazing to know, you know, it's a very good guidance
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  for us. Very excited to two more
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  episodes about this. And like Allison said, and like
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  we talked about in the idea of how would be the US from 10
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  years ago talking about intimacy, sexual energy.
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  And after this whole year of teaching regular classes and
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  especially these last two cycles of classes that I had in
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  Washington, DCI think the beginner's guide episode would
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  look different. Like I was trying new things in
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  the dropping classes and trying new things with the dropping
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  class for absolute beginners that we have.
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  And seeing that they were working.
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  And I was like, Oh my God, you have to do more of this and
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  changing certain things about the teaching aspect itself, how
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  I give the content. So these are ever evolving
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  things. And I think Alison and I are
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  really passionate about the craft of teaching this and
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  always looking for ways to say things better, to use our bodies
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  better, to show things better so people can see more clearly.
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  So if we do a beginner's guide episode in 2026, that's going to
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  be probably several similar things, but a lot of new stuff
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  that we found out recently because guys, especially for you
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  who is teaching, who are wanting to teach.
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  That's this is a muscle you develop.
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  The teaching dance is a muscle. The more you do it with this
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  intention, with this presence of getting better at conveying the
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  message, of conveying movements through your voice with your
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  body, you know, using all means that are available to you.
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  You improve almost by osmosis. You don't realize you're
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  improving, but you do see that you are being able to convey a
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  topic or a constant much faster that people are getting stuff
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  faster than they used to. The thing that used to take 15
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  minutes to go over, in 5 minutes you cover the whole thing and
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  you see that people got it. So it's a muscle you keep
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  developing. So episodes like this, I think
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  we can have so many different parts, you know, Beginner's
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  Guide Part 12345. And so all for all the other
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  ones for you, Allison, is there any one of these topics excites
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  you more to talk more about? Absolutely.
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  That's the next thing that I wanted to talk about, Which ones
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  were the most exciting and which ones were, I would say the scary
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  ones, Scary because I didn't exactly know how people would
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  receive or I didn't really know what I wanted to say about it.
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  Those are two things because sometimes we get requests or we
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  get ideas and we're like, yes, that's a very interesting topic,
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  but what are we going to talk about?
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  Because there's so many layers to almost everything that we do
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  here. So the ones that excite me the
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  most and let me give you guys a little background on how we
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  prepare for the episodes. We have a few systems or where
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  we store the episodes that people requests.
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  OK, So we look into those. We look into the Facebook group
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  or we bring topics from a conversation or a thought that
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  we had over that week, over that month, either by ourselves or
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  just talking to another person. So the topics comes from pretty
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  much anywhere. But when we start talking about
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  it, just before recording, we want to make sure that we know
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  what we're going to talk about. Not necessarily that we know the
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  content and we are masters of the content, but we know where
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  we're going with it. Because we.
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  Want to make sure that we respect your time listening to
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  these episodes. So we want to make sure that
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  there is a clear beginning, middle and end to everything
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  that we're going to say instead of just being a huge mess of an
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  episode where we talk about everything, but we don't really
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  talk about anything. So that's kind of the process
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  that we try our best and anything to do with like how to
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  train, how to overcome plateaus, how to understand certain
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  techniques or how to teach all of those things for me, and I
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  believe that is for GI as well, we just feel like very at home.
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  We feel like, OK, just press record, let's go.
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  We just need to kind of set some parameters on how deep or how
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  many topics we're going to talk about because we could be
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  talking for hours. We are so passionate about this
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  thing that we have to limit ourselves and go like, OK, let's
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  just go up until here because otherwise this can be a three
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  hours conversation. So those are for me very, very
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  easy to talk about. All the technique training,
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  social dancing, community building, event organization,
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  professional life, travelling, anything to do with what I do on
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  a daily basis. And then for me, I would say the
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  least comfortable to just simply wake up, press record are the
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  ones that are more talking about the personal side, The personal
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  side, like the intimacy, the sexual energy, the silence, for
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  example, the anxiety, the self criticism episodes, the
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  self-awareness with Paloma, kind of like those that you have to
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  really look inside and go a little deeper on your personal
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  level. I think those are the ones that
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  to me I need to have a little bit more concentration before I
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  start. So then I feel confident to come
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  in and go like, yes, all right, I understand what we're going to
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  talk about. How is that for you?
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  Is that similar key somewhat? Similar.
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  I really talk about the whole teaching aspects so much lately,
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  and I mean lately, I mean not so recently, but you know, the in
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  the last year or two, I've been really enjoying talking about
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  the philosophical aspects of dance, like how they relate to
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  life and how they relate to our inner selves.
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  I have been really, really enjoying this topic.
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  So the aspects of sexuality, intimacy, I actually like
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  talking about these topics because I feel this excitement
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  to share some perspectives about it because of my observations
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  over time, not only about dance or the dance community, but
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  overall like my observations of life overall.
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  So I'm in this pursuit of more and more awareness and a better
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  ability to make observations before I make judgments, before
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  I pass on a judgment or make an assessment or an evaluation, I
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  am training my being to be able to make observations.
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  So in a world that we have so much judgments, so much conflict
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  going on, I feel a strong desire to use this platform to share
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  more of the observations and then we can from the
• 27:06
  observations extract different things, you know.
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  So I feel very good and very passionate about the opportunity
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  to show more than one perspective.
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  And these topics there are hard to talk about.
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  We do now some when we are preparing for the episodes and
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  the topic is a more sensitive one.
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  We do go over the sensitive aspect of it and how can we be
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  mindful in how we approach it. You know how we can be
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  attentive, be caring about how we approach this harder topics.
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  But I feel very safe here. I feel very comfortable in this
• 27:50
  environment. I know that right now I'm in my
• 27:52
  room by myself looking at a camera.
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  I just started in his room by himself looking at another
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  camera, and we are talking with each other and then we are
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  talking with you or listening and watching.
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  But I feel this very strange sense of trust and calm that
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  allow me to talk about these episodes.
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  And it's also feels this part of myself that he really likes to
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  observe humans being humans and humans navigating things.
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  And the more I observe, the more I feel fascinated.
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  Sometimes I feel joy, sometimes I feel a lot of frustration,
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  sometimes I feel anger. And sometimes I'm like, what the
• 28:36
  hell are we doing? You know, what are you doing?
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  My people. So it's a mix of emotions.
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  And I like to talk about them here because it feels good.
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  It feels safe, it feels open. So very long answer to your
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  question. And I think right now, if I were
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  to put on a scale of things I like to talk about the most, I
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  think you'll be tied in first place teaching aspects and
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  aspects of the human interaction, the human behavior
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  that I observe in our. Dancing and what would be the
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  topics or categories that you'd be least excited to talk about
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  or a little hesitant to talk about, if at all I.
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  Often feel some anxiety talking about competitions and I knew
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  it. I knew it, yeah.
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  I think this is the thing that I feel most anxious to talk about,
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  but it's not too much. It's not too much.
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  But if I were to put in a scale of things that I am slightly
• 29:51
  uncomfortable, that would be it. And I think I would feel
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  uncomfortable talking about maybe some of the admin aspects
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  of this work. You know, when we have to manage
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  our schedule, book our trips, book our flights, talk to
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  people, organize the whole thing, you know, like touring,
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  organizing and the administrative work that is
• 30:18
  involved and the talk with the organizers and all the
• 30:23
  negotiations. I think when we talk about like
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  the rates and the amount of hours that we are teaching and
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  we're going from this place to this other place where this
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  means of transportation and with the budget.
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  So all these things, I think perhaps this is more
• 30:39
  complicated, will be more complicated than the competition
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  itself. Think this perhaps is the most
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  complicated one. And a third one, I think maybe
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  talking about other teaching methodologies because I haven't
• 30:55
  been able to sit and observe them all.
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  All I have is what other people tell me and when I dance with
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  people that did a certain methodology.
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  So I don't have the experience of being in a room listening to
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  what is being said. So all I have is what I heard
• 31:13
  from other people. It's like a third person
• 31:15
  accounts. I don't know.
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  It's like a that was the expression when you don't get
• 31:19
  the thing from the source, you get the thing from somebody that
• 31:22
  took from the source. There's a term for that that I'm
• 31:25
  forgetting right now. But yeah, I think what?
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  You said is right, or at least it makes sense.
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  Yeah. So I think it would be the worst
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  one, the logistical aspects of things, and then it would be the
• 31:40
  teaching methodologies and then it would be competitions.
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  I think this would be my bottom three things that I would be
• 31:47
  excited to talk about. And it's funny because I think I
• 31:50
  would be excited to talk about these things.
• 31:52
  It's just it would be hard to talk about these things.
• 31:55
  So be uncomfortable sometimes. Talk about these things.
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  Why would the logistics and negotiation and organization
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  would be uncomfortable for you? Why are those uncomfortable?
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  Because. There is sometimes frustrations
• 32:10
  that come with it. There's sometimes stress that
• 32:13
  come with it. There is sometimes changes that
• 32:18
  happens, you know, like you plan a whole thing with these things
• 32:23
  in mind and then one of the things fall off place and then
• 32:27
  you have to reorganize everything because organizing
• 32:30
  big tours or longer events, you rely on several people doing
• 32:37
  what they told you they were going to do.
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  So if there is one disruption, then disrupts the whole thing.
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  Especially right now that I am organizing a long, 1A long
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  stretch of time travelling, I feel extra like sensitive about
• 32:55
  this whole thing because I'm in it.
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  So perhaps, you know, more biased because I'm in it.
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  But every time that has happened, I have organized long
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  travels for three years in a row now.
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  And sometimes it's smooth sail, but when it's not, it is really
• 33:14
  not. So it's tricky, man.
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  It's tricky sometimes, can be very, very tricky.
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  I completely. Agree, because there are so many
• 33:25
  people in this community and we're all different people,
• 33:30
  right? We have different backgrounds,
• 33:31
  we have different values and priorities.
• 33:34
  And I'll be very honest, guys, I'm a brain person.
• 33:37
  I'm a numbers person. I'm a dancer by training, not
• 33:41
  because I was born to be this way or to do this.
• 33:45
  In my honest opinion, O. I'm more of the technical,
• 33:50
  methodical, systematic kind of person, which is not the common
• 33:55
  thing in our community. O There is a lot of babysitting
• 34:02
  when I'm an organizer or when I'm an artist organizing some
• 34:09
  tours or travelling to some places.
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  Because a lot of people in the community are great at being an
• 34:14
  artists and creative people, but they're not good at organizing
• 34:20
  themselves or their own business.
• 34:24
  So I understand Yugi, and I think this is something that in
• 34:28
  the future we should actually bring to the table, spill the
• 34:33
  tea and talk about it. Because to be honest, I actually
• 34:38
  enjoy that part of working with people that don't know what they
• 34:43
  don't know in terms of community building or event organizing or
• 34:48
  something like that. So put it this way, I'm the
• 34:50
  artist and I'm working with somebody who doesn't know but is
• 34:53
  willing and hungry to learn. I'm like, let me hold your hand
• 34:57
  and help you as much as I can. I love that.
• 35:01
  But the problem is when people think they know and they think
• 35:05
  they are organizing things properly and I am the one asking
• 35:09
  questions and I'm the one being annoying because I know that
• 35:13
  things are not organized well. And I am the artist going to the
• 35:18
  event. And do I even know what's going
• 35:21
  to happen when I get there? Or am I going to eat or am I
• 35:24
  going to be hungry? Because nobody says anything.
• 35:27
  There is no agreement contract with details about those things.
• 35:33
  So yes, I think those are things that we really need to do.
• 35:38
  I think we really need to talk about in the future too, share
• 35:42
  our experiences and also hopefully help educate the
• 35:46
  community on what to expect. And hopefully, I think that's
• 35:52
  the biggest one for me. Raise the bar.
• 35:55
  Raise the bar. And make it better for
• 35:57
  everybody, make it better for attendees, make better for
• 36:00
  organizers, and make better for artists.
• 36:03
  So we all can do a better job. Because we do hear that a lot of
• 36:07
  organizers want to stop organizing because they have
• 36:11
  difficulties with artists or attendees.
• 36:14
  And then some attendees, they want to stop travelling or going
• 36:18
  to events because the organizers are not doing a good job in
• 36:22
  their point of view. And then artists also feeling
• 36:26
  the frustration and feeling the pain from their side because
• 36:30
  they're struggling to work with certain organizers or
• 36:33
  communities. So I think that's a great topic
• 36:35
  to talk about and we'll be comfortable with it.
• 36:39
  I think we'll be comfortable with it, especially after Gid
• 36:42
  does the Second World tour. That's the second one, or maybe
• 36:47
  third, I'm not sure it's the second.
• 36:49
  One across many countries. Yeah, last year I did, man, I
• 36:55
  traveled 2023-2024, 2025, but 2023 and 2024, they were 2023, a
• 37:05
  bunch of countries, 20243, I think 2025, just one was just
• 37:10
  basically just Taiwan. And 2026 is going to be a bunch
• 37:16
  of places. So it's a long, it's a long,
• 37:19
  long trip, yeah. And like Allison said, there is
• 37:24
  a fun part. There's very fun part of it.
• 37:27
  I like my spreadsheets. I like to know, you know, I
• 37:32
  actually have the flights part in advance and all these things.
• 37:35
  This part is fun. The part that is tricky really
• 37:38
  is the variables that are at play.
• 37:42
  You know, like I said, there are many people involved and all of
• 37:46
  them need to follow through with their commitments and sometimes
• 37:49
  even the commitments are not fully clear, fully set.
• 37:54
  There is one thing that is missing, there's other thing
• 37:56
  that is missing. So getting everything very
• 38:00
  clear, very set is what brings me Peace of Mind and quiet, you
• 38:06
  know, and sometimes I move at a different pace in what comes to
• 38:11
  that. You know, I like to know them
• 38:14
  earlier, you know, that's the tricky part.
• 38:17
  Those are the things. That we would definitely be
• 38:20
  talking about more in the coming year.
• 38:23
  But I think this is a good summary of how 2025 went for us.
• 38:28
  The exciting things, the scary things, the comfortable things,
• 38:32
  the uncomfortable things. And we're looking forward to so
• 38:35
  much more in the coming year. And we want to make sure that
• 38:40
  please, you participate with us. So send us messages, send us
• 38:46
  comments on YouTube, Instagram, whatever social media you follow
• 38:50
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• 38:52
  follow and subscribe to help us reach out to more people and
• 38:57
  grow our community here to help our world community to talk more
• 39:05
  about things that sometimes are uncomfortable.
• 39:08
  Yeah, guys, this was a beautiful year for us here as you can
• 39:12
  earns, Thank you so much for your audience, for your tuning
• 39:16
  in. And I'm really looking forward
• 39:20
  to our 2026 and the topics we're not talking about.
• 39:23
  And then like Allison said, send us your requests.
• 39:27
  Oh my God, help us forward to have like a direction of what
• 39:33
  you talk that is going to contribute to your life.
• 39:37
  So thank you so much, Tien. I can't wait for more in the
• 39:41
  coming year. In the coming years.
• 39:43
  Let's play in the plural. Yours, so many of them.
• 39:48
  As long as we're here, as long as there's Internet and camera,
• 39:52
  hopefully we'll be here for you guys.
• 39:56
  So thank you. Thank you for being here once
• 39:58
  again, Business Business, Ambrasus and Ciao.
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  Everybody.