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Sheriff David Clarke: "They're Not Teen Takeovers — They're Riots" · Unshaken & Unafraid with Joe Pags

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Speaker 1: Picture this, a dozen cops, two one hundred people fighting, looting,
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Speaker 1: firing shots in the street, and the mayor calls it
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Speaker 1: a team gathering.
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 1: Sheriff David Clark just said what every cop is thinking.
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Speaker 1: These aren't takeovers. They are riots, and he's got a
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Speaker 1: plan to end them all right now and make the
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Speaker 1: left lose their minds. If you were the sheriff in
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Speaker 1: Milwaukee County still and you saw one hundred, two hundred,
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Speaker 1: three hundred teams decide they're all going to show up
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Speaker 1: in one place, whether it's Chipotle, or it's the mall
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Speaker 1: or the movie theater or some parking lot and just
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Speaker 1: start trouble for everybody. What would you do to stop that?
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Speaker 1: It seems to me like that'd be really hard to stop.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, these are proving problematic for law enforcement today. There's
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Speaker 3: a little different dynamic going on here. If you go
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Speaker 3: back to the nineties, remember the term wilding where band
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Speaker 3: of roving bands of thugs would go to a place
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Speaker 3: and raise hell. And then in the early two thousands
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Speaker 3: it was called something else. And now you know what
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Speaker 3: the use of technology and social media it flash mobs
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Speaker 3: is the term I was looking for in a two thousand,
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Speaker 3: but you still didn't have as many showing up as
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Speaker 3: you do today. And that's made possible by the use
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Speaker 3: of social media, where you can just summon. You might
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Speaker 3: have an email list or a text list of you know,
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Speaker 3: five hundred people, and now you're starting to see hundreds
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Speaker 3: of people show up. But it's important, Joe, to classify
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Speaker 3: this thing properly, otherwise law enforcement will apply the wrong
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Speaker 3: remedies in the wrong countermeasures. Our team takeovers. These aren't
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Speaker 3: The Mayor of Chicago calls them teen gatherings because he
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Speaker 3: says he doesn't want to demonize these thugs. Now, these
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Speaker 3: are riots. These people are showing up, raising hell, public disturbances.
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Speaker 3: In some cases, they're looting, there's fights, there's gunshots, they're
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Speaker 3: attacking the police. That is not a team takeover. That
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Speaker 3: is not eighteen gathering the kind that you just described
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Speaker 3: that we were used to right where you show up
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Speaker 3: at the mall and you just hang it out chilling,
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Speaker 3: you know. But that's not what they're doing here. And
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Speaker 3: so I've suggested, because I've been interviewed about this before,
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Speaker 3: that you're going to have to apply some different remedies,
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Speaker 3: some different measures. And I'm talking about counter riot remedies.
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Speaker 3: So I'm talking about a higher level of force because look,
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Speaker 3: if a dozen cops show up and there's two hundred people,
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Speaker 3: their resources are overwhelmed. You can only able to arrest
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Speaker 3: so many, issue a couple of citations, show I'm sorry,
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Speaker 3: toe a few cars. What you want to do initially
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Speaker 3: is disperse that crowd. So I know every state is different.
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Speaker 3: With in Wisconsin and I've had to do this at
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Speaker 3: our lakefront because this type of activity was happening. We
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Speaker 3: applied these measures and we got rid of it. We
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Speaker 3: chased them into some other jurisdiction or some other area.
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Speaker 3: And displacement is a valid technique. But any way, you
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Speaker 3: have to announce that this is a disorderly gathering and
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Speaker 3: to disperse, do it one time, and then you apply
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Speaker 3: things like bean bags. I would use tear gas, I
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Speaker 3: would use pepper spray, I would use rubber bullets to disperse.
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Speaker 3: Forget about arrest for now, disperse this crowd so that
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Speaker 3: you can regain control of that area. I'm pleased to
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Speaker 3: please to read last week where Congress is considering a
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Speaker 3: bill that would allow the Ice Agents and Border Patrol
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Speaker 3: to use water cannons with dye in it a red
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Speaker 3: dye to protect these detention facilities, to disperse the crowd.
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Speaker 3: Forget about arrest. The rest come later. You can have
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Speaker 3: a stragglers then move in and make arrest. But then
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Speaker 3: once these people are arrested, they have to be correctly charged.
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Speaker 3: They have to be charged with a felony and if
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Speaker 3: they're under eighteen, wave them into adult court. In Wisconsin,
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Speaker 3: you're over fourteen, you can be waived into adult court,
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Speaker 3: charge them with felony, rioting. Issue heavy fines to the
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Speaker 3: ones who are under eighteen, whose parents aren't engaged, whose
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Speaker 3: parents raise these miscreants to behave like this, and many
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Speaker 3: of these joe these the parent because it's usually just won.
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Speaker 3: But many of them are on some sort of public assistance.
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Speaker 3: And so rather than finding and issuing citations that they're
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Speaker 3: not going to pay and are not going to show
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Speaker 3: up for court because what's going to happen nothing right,
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Speaker 3: shopping away at their benefits, their snap benefits, their rent assistance,
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Speaker 3: and some of these other things food stamps that they're on.
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Speaker 3: When you start taking those benefits away, you will get
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Speaker 3: that parent's attention.
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Speaker 1: It is Sheriff David Clark go to at Sheriff Clark,
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Speaker 1: and Clark has an e at the end over on X.
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Speaker 1: Go and follow him there. Go and check out his book,
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Speaker 1: cop under Fire. That's been out for several years now,
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Speaker 1: but it's a great read. Don't you to go and
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Speaker 1: get it. Let's talk about something that you mentioned in
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Speaker 1: passing there. Well, you and I were younger. Of course
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Speaker 1: we gathered. Of course we hung out. I remember I
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Speaker 1: grew up in South Florida. We drove past the beach,
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Speaker 1: this was early nineteen eighties, nineteen eighty three, nineteen eighty four.
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Speaker 1: Then we all go to Burger King and if there
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Speaker 1: were to be one hundred people there, we're all buying something.
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Speaker 1: We're all, you know, patronizing the place. We cleaned up
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Speaker 1: our mess. We weren't acting the full and having fights
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Speaker 1: in the parking lot. We're checking out our cars, checking
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Speaker 1: out the girls. I mean, we're doing what we did.
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Speaker 1: Why is it that the groups that we're seeing today,
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Speaker 1: And by the way, the group that I went that
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Speaker 1: I hung out with was all races. I went to
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Speaker 1: a school that was sixty percent black, so I mean
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Speaker 1: it wasn't about raised. But today it seems to be
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Speaker 1: because almost all of these teen takeovers or whatever. These
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Speaker 1: riots are young black people doing it. Why, David, in
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Speaker 1: this day and age, is there a sense of entitlement that,
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Speaker 1: of course we can do this and there's nothing you
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Speaker 1: can do about it.
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Speaker 3: What changed, well, at home is what changed, Yeah, the
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Speaker 3: lack of parental involvement. You know, you have to have
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Speaker 3: social skills to thrive in these public spaces. Public spaces
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Speaker 3: are shared by people. You can't allow people to come
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Speaker 3: in and take them over and to intimidate and start
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Speaker 3: fights and things like that. So what has changed is
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Speaker 3: you have more of these young people growing up with
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Speaker 3: no social skills. They don't know how to thrive in
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Speaker 3: a public environment. For Heaven's sakes, in.
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Speaker 2: Other words, be courteous.
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Speaker 3: You can go ahead and have a little fun, you know,
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Speaker 3: play a little music, Okay, like you know, some of
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Speaker 3: the behaviors that you mentioned totally justified and encouraged. But
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Speaker 3: these people come into these public spaces to do one thing, Joel,
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Speaker 3: and it's to raise hell. And that's why it's important.
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Speaker 3: And now we're entering the summer months, you're going to
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Speaker 3: see more of this all across the country. Chicago's had
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Speaker 3: two weekends with it where two hundred people show up,
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Speaker 3: violence occurs, gunshots, people shot, and so the thing is
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Speaker 3: you want to gain control of that area as quickly
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Speaker 3: as you can, which is why I said dispersal, tear gas,
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Speaker 3: pepper spray, rubber bullets, bean bags, any of that non
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Speaker 3: leaf I'm talking non lethal stuff, right, and take gunshots start.
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Speaker 3: Then it's a little different, but you have to raise
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Speaker 3: that level of a countermeasure to defeat and discourage what
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Speaker 3: you're up against. And oftentimes the cops get there, and
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Speaker 3: like I said, you got a dozen cops. You can't
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Speaker 3: have every cop in that municipality down in that area
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Speaker 3: to deal with just because who's watching the rest of
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Speaker 3: the city or the municipality.
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Speaker 2: For heaven's sakes, there's.
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Speaker 3: Still nine to one one calls that have to be answered, right,
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Speaker 3: There's still other things going on that the police tend
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Speaker 3: to and so you can't have all your resources drained.
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Speaker 3: And that's why I said this is problematic. This isn't
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Speaker 3: easy now because of the use of social media. But
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Speaker 3: then law enforcement has to measure I'm sorry, monitor social
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Speaker 3: media as well and try to get people to infiltrate
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Speaker 3: these groups, these chats. You can get some of these
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Speaker 3: young police aids, ones who aren't old enough to be
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Speaker 3: officers but still work in police departments doing clerical work.
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Speaker 3: Have them been online. They're pretty savvy with this online
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Speaker 3: stuff and infiltrate these groups so you can find out, Hey,
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Speaker 3: it's going to be Saturday six o'clock, six o'clock at
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Speaker 3: such and such a place, so that you can be
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Speaker 3: ready ahead of time. So you got to be a
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Speaker 3: little creative. And I understand, two hundred people show up
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Speaker 3: and you got fifteen cops. There's only so much you
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Speaker 3: can do. But that's why I said job number one,
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Speaker 3: regain control of the area. One order disperse. This is
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Speaker 3: an illegal public gathering, leave immediately. And you know what,
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Speaker 3: if people don't start moving out, that's when the tear
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Speaker 3: gas and that's when these other things come out. But
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Speaker 3: I do like this idea that Congress is talking about
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Speaker 3: with allowing the use of ice agents around detention facilities.
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Speaker 3: To use water cannons with a dye in the water.
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Speaker 3: And what does the dye do. It stains the skin,
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Speaker 3: doesn't hurt, it's non lethal. But guess what, it takes
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Speaker 3: like two or three weeks for that stained to go away.
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Speaker 3: So they got to walk around with that.
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Speaker 2: And will be able to identify.
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Speaker 1: Him later on, Sheriff. How big a deal is it
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Speaker 1: that a Brandon Johnson that you mentioned earlier is saying,
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Speaker 1: these are just young people gathering and there's not enough
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Speaker 1: for them to do, and we are underserving the young people.
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Speaker 1: We must let them go out there and do something.
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Speaker 1: It's our problems as the leaders of the city. As
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Speaker 1: he turns a blind eye to massive crime going on
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Speaker 1: right under his nose. I mean, I'm guessing that's a
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Speaker 1: huge problem that the leader of the city is basically saying, yeah,
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Speaker 1: let them do what they're gonna do.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Look, Brendan Johnson's a failure. He's a buffoon. For heaven's sakes.
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Speaker 3: Like I said, he's misdiagnosed this thing. These are not
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Speaker 3: just a bunch of juvenile delinquids doing things like, you know,
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Speaker 3: stealing hubcaps off of cars or stuff like that. And
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Speaker 3: by the way, it's not the city's job to find
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Speaker 3: something for these people to do, right There are plenty
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Speaker 3: of social centers out there who found stuff for you
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Speaker 3: and I to do in the summer months. Joe, wasn't
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Speaker 3: the city now you had the parks, all right, go
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Speaker 3: to the park, you play some baseball, you play some tennis.
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Speaker 3: Yeople have that in Chicago. So what's he What does
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Speaker 3: he mean by we have to find things for them
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Speaker 3: to do. How about go to the library, for heaven's sakes,
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Speaker 3: how about do something more? How about get a job,
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Speaker 3: for heaven's sakes for the summer that will occupy your
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Speaker 3: time and you won't have time to do this sort
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Speaker 3: of thing.
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Speaker 2: So he's way off here.
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Speaker 3: And it starts like I said earlier, earlier in the
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Speaker 3: home with parental neglect. They didn't raise their kids properly,
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Speaker 3: and now all of a sudden government has to step
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Speaker 3: in and try to do something about it. Now, the
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Speaker 3: things that government needs to do when this happen, like
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Speaker 3: we just talked about, all right, jail, stiff penalty, stiff crime,
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Speaker 3: felony arrests, felony convictions, turn these people into felons early
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Speaker 3: on in their lives. That'll get their attention. But right
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Speaker 3: now we have this revolving door of justice. You arrest them,
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Speaker 3: and the cops will tell you this. They're out right away,
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Speaker 3: issue of citation. They don't show up for court, they're
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Speaker 3: not going to pay the fine anyway. And even if
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Speaker 3: they're arrested on a warrant for non payment of the citation.
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Speaker 3: There's no bail in many of these blue cities, and
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Speaker 3: so they're immediately let out. Why should the cops even
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Speaker 3: bother going through this? That's why I said, just disperse them,
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Speaker 3: getting the hell out of there, and then move on
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Speaker 3: to the next thing.
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Speaker 1: Sheriff David Clark with an E at the end. Go
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Speaker 1: follow them at Sheriff Clark on X and also go
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Speaker 1: to America's sheriff dot com. Two s's in their America's
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Speaker 1: sheriff dot Com. Judge Janine Piro, the US attorney in DC,
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Speaker 1: has said, we're going to charge the parents. Will that
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Speaker 1: be helpful?
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Speaker 3: It'll be very helpful as long as there's some serious,
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Speaker 3: you know, indictments. But one of the things I like, though, is,
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Speaker 3: like I said, many of these parents are on.
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Speaker 2: Some sort of government benefits.
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Speaker 3: Right, rather than then finding them a thousand dollars, go
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Speaker 3: after their benefits, reduce their benefits.
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Speaker 2: I'm telling you right now that will be.
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Speaker 3: Very effective because when you go after their benefits, they're
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Speaker 3: going to go, oh, no, you're not going to do
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Speaker 3: this to me, son, and they'll get more involved. But yeah,
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Speaker 3: charging John. I know Janine, well, she's one of those
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Speaker 3: balls to the wall prosecutors that I like, and so
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Speaker 3: and everything's got to be on the table, numerous interventions,
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Speaker 3: not just arrests, and a lot of people stop there.
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Speaker 2: You know you will be arrested. That's not enough.
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Speaker 3: That's a start, but that can't be the end because
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Speaker 3: you know arrests are only going to take you so far.
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Speaker 1: It's Sheriff David Clark, go to act. Sheriff Clark over
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Speaker 1: on X The Carmelo Anthony Verdicck just came in a
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Speaker 1: little while ago. Sheriff. This this teenager, he was seventeen
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Speaker 1: at the time. He stabbed fatally, now murdered because you've
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Speaker 1: been found guilty another seventeen year old. It was a
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Speaker 1: track meet. They were under some sort of a tent.
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Speaker 1: He was in the wrong tent. He was told to
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Speaker 1: leave fifteen times for some reason. The race hustlers out
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Speaker 1: there have to make this about race. Carmelo Anthony is
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Speaker 1: a black kid. The guy that he killed was a
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Speaker 1: white kid, Austin Metcalf. When you see a case like that,
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Speaker 1: it seems to be cut and dried, very very simply done.
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Speaker 1: The witnesses that were in the case on Austin's side
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Speaker 1: and against Carmelo Anthony were of every race under the sun.
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Speaker 1: Many of them were black. Teammates of Austin Metcalf who said, yeah,
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Speaker 1: this guy killed him, He murdered him. Why is it
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Speaker 1: that we see these people out there, the same race,
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Speaker 1: hustlers out in front of the courthouse now today, trying
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Speaker 1: to start some sort of a riot. Why do they
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Speaker 1: react that way? We are You and I are close
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Speaker 1: to the same age. You're a little bit older, but
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Speaker 1: you look younger. Having said that, we're in a time
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Speaker 1: in America, in my belief, where we have less racism
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Speaker 1: than we've ever had in our history. White on black.
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Speaker 1: I think it's rising black on white. But why is
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Speaker 1: it that they've always got to make a race case
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Speaker 1: even if there's no race case at all?
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Speaker 2: Here?
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Speaker 3: First of all, I been talking about idiots, Okay, yeah, But well,
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Speaker 3: the reason why it's cultural rot is what it is.
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Speaker 3: It's people who haven't adapted to and adjusted to more
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Speaker 3: mainstream lifestyles and values, and they used the weaponized race.
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Speaker 3: They use it as a weapon because they know it
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Speaker 3: intimidates a lot of people who aren't of that race. Look,
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Speaker 3: I followed that case from the time it happened, and
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Speaker 3: this thing was cut and dry, you know, and I
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Speaker 3: know it. Anybody would have a brain knows it. That
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Speaker 3: jury came back and no time flat A surprised heard
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Speaker 3: they were getting the case late this morning and all
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Speaker 3: of a sudden mid afternoon, they came to a very
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Speaker 3: that's not surprising. You just had nothing to do with
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Speaker 3: an all white jury. All right, the evidence was presented,
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Speaker 3: you mentioned it. There were several black witnesses, young people
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Speaker 3: who came up and just told the truth, told what happened.
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Speaker 3: But you're always going to find a certain segment of
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Speaker 3: the black community. That's why I call it cultural rot
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Speaker 3: who just will will use this thing to stoke up,
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Speaker 3: to fan the flames of racial division in this country.
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Speaker 3: But at his high time, and I think some of
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Speaker 3: these Supreme Court decisions that we're seeing in terms of
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Speaker 3: like redistricting and whatnot, where they say you can't use race.
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Speaker 3: The less we talk about race, the better off this
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Speaker 3: country's going to be.
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Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more. Let's talk about exactly what went down, though,
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Speaker 1: when we have a case where again you and I
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Speaker 1: probably have been in some pushing fights in school. I mean,
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Speaker 1: if that's what happened, maybe a quick push, you push back,
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Speaker 1: you knock the guy's books down, you go to class.
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Speaker 1: I actually, in my school, we had corporal punishment. You
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Speaker 1: I gott and paddled if you acted out and acted stupidly.
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Speaker 1: But what goes into the mindset of a seventeen year
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Speaker 1: old black kid who was living in not a horrible area.
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Speaker 1: He's not in the hoods somewhere, he's not in the ghetto,
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Speaker 1: he's not poor. He's got two parents that both worked.
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Speaker 1: They both appeared to be upstanding members of society. But
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Speaker 1: something got in his head early on, and one must
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Speaker 1: question the parents that said, if a white person in
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Speaker 1: front of you, you're the victim always. Because there's no
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Speaker 1: way in my mindset or yours, we would ever say,
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Speaker 1: oh you want me to leave the tent, let me
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Speaker 1: stab you in the heart. You know what I mean, David,
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Speaker 1: I mean we would have a fight. You'd have a
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Speaker 1: pushing match. You got a guy in a headlock at
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Speaker 1: the bus stop or whatever, and then you go to school.
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Speaker 1: I mean, but this kid in his head said try me,
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Speaker 1: You're gonna be sorry, and he knew that he had
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Speaker 1: a knife for the entire time, and he knew what
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Speaker 1: he was gonna do if he felt like it was
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Speaker 1: now going to be a fight. Can you break that
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Speaker 1: down into the mentality of a young black, seventeen year
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Speaker 1: old black kid who had his whole life in front
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Speaker 1: of him now might spend the rest of his life
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Speaker 1: in jail and the seventeen year old white kid's just dead.
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Speaker 1: What makes him think the knife is the right choice here?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's a great question. I'm a psychoanalyst. I'm
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Speaker 3: not a psychologist. However, I was a young black kid.
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Speaker 3: But this kid obviously had anger, deep seated anger within
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Speaker 3: him and nowhere to turn, no where to, nobody to
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Speaker 3: talk to about it. He obviously came from one of
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Speaker 3: these dysfunctional families at home, where when you're dealing with
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Speaker 3: these sorts of internal things as a human being, you
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Speaker 3: turn to other things. You turn to other people. For
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Speaker 3: heaven's sakes, could have done this with people at school
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Speaker 3: if he felt he's being picked on, and none of
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Speaker 3: that was evidenced in the trial that you know as
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Speaker 3: a reason for this. But he was so angry that
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Speaker 3: he was going to try to make this right by himself.
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Speaker 3: And he couldn't figure out that there are other ways,
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Speaker 3: there are alternatives to deal with what he was doing. Look,
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Speaker 3: he went there on his own. Okay, he didn't have
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Speaker 3: any business there, so he went there looking for trouble.
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Speaker 2: The knife thing, I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I suppose if he had a gun, he probably would
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Speaker 3: have shot the Austin kid. But you know, two lives gone,
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Speaker 3: two lives wasted, one in the grave, the other would
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Speaker 3: be going to the prison, probably for the rest of
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Speaker 3: his adult life. And then we just kind of like
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Speaker 3: move on, because there are a lot of young people
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Speaker 3: out there, especially in these minority communities, that have this
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Speaker 3: deep seated anger and resentment.
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Speaker 2: Who knows why.
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Speaker 3: It's not an excuse, but it's real because I'll tell
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Speaker 3: you what, when you're seventeen years old and you're going
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Speaker 3: to that level of killing somebody, So that's way out there, man,
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Speaker 3: that's beyond my comprehension. I've never been that angry as
18:35
Speaker 3: an adult, for Heaven's sake, much less seventeen year old kid.
18:39
Speaker 1: I never would have considered it sheriff. And that's why
18:41
Speaker 1: I ask about it. By the way, your book was
18:43
Speaker 1: written at a time where you were actually outlining what
18:46
Speaker 1: Obama did to harm this country. And the book is
18:48
Speaker 1: called cop Underfire. Go and get it at Sheriff David Clark.
18:52
Speaker 1: Can we blame Obama for when he said the police
18:54
Speaker 1: actored stupidly in Cambridge? Or if I had a son
18:57
Speaker 1: he looked like Trayvon or Michael he said, two or
19:00
Speaker 1: three representatives from the White House to Michael Brown's funeral.
19:03
Speaker 1: A criminal that died because he attacked a police officer.
19:06
Speaker 1: Betrayvon Martin went back and the guy killed him in
19:08
Speaker 1: self defense. But every single time he had an opportunity
19:11
Speaker 1: to say, let's see how this thing shakes that as
19:13
Speaker 1: an attorney, as a Harvard law guy. Instead of saying,
19:17
Speaker 1: let's see how it shakes that, let's call all the details.
19:19
Speaker 1: Every single time, David he said, the other guy who
19:22
Speaker 1: wasn't black was the bad guy. And he caused this,
19:25
Speaker 1: Can we trace this back to Obama?
19:29
Speaker 3: I think you got to go a little further back,
19:31
Speaker 3: and I'm going to bring up this lack of parental
19:35
Speaker 3: involvement in effective parenting is where it starts.
19:38
Speaker 2: It starts to the home, all right.
19:40
Speaker 3: But where Obama comes into this is he had an opportunity.
19:45
Speaker 3: He had an opportunity to, you know, make this less
19:50
Speaker 3: of a race conscious society in America, and instead he
19:56
Speaker 3: used it for political leverage to improve his own political situation. Yes,
20:04
Speaker 3: that's what you can blame him. Remember the Traymond Martin situation. Absolute,
20:09
Speaker 3: if I had a son, he'd look like Traymond Martin.
20:12
Speaker 3: I mean, that's irresponsible.
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Speaker 2: And he knew it. But he and he knew exactly
20:17
Speaker 2: what he was doing.
20:17
Speaker 3: It's not like, well, he misspoke, Well, I didn't mean
20:20
Speaker 3: to say it like that. He knew he did all
20:22
Speaker 3: this stuff intentionally, and so he had a chance to
20:25
Speaker 3: change America to be less race conscious. Instead he poured
20:30
Speaker 3: gas on it.
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Speaker 1: He really did. And when he said that at the time,
20:34
Speaker 1: and I think you and I were talking, I know
20:36
Speaker 1: that I said this, Why didn't he say if he
20:38
Speaker 1: had a neighbor, he'd looked like George because George Zimmerman,
20:41
Speaker 1: by the way, a Latino that they kept calling a
20:42
Speaker 1: white Hispanic, which was weird. But he never said that.
20:46
Speaker 1: He never said, let's see other shakes out. Two people's
20:48
Speaker 1: lives affected for the rest of their lives. And of
20:51
Speaker 1: course the guy was exonerated because he stood his ground.
20:53
Speaker 1: Trayvon Martin circled back and started to fight with him.
20:56
Speaker 1: But having said all of that, I just the guy
20:58
Speaker 1: you started saying it, And let me add to that
21:00
Speaker 1: and see if this is where you were going. Barack
21:03
Speaker 1: Obama had the opportunity, as the first black president to
21:07
Speaker 1: literally bring us together for good in this country, one
21:10
Speaker 1: for all, all for one, pluribus unim the melting pot.
21:14
Speaker 1: Let's listen, a black man made it to the presidency.
21:17
Speaker 1: Let's go, We're a post racial America. But instead he
21:20
Speaker 1: doubled down on the racism. I remember when he was
21:22
Speaker 1: running for president, either the first time or the second time,
21:24
Speaker 1: he said, I don't like look like those people on
21:26
Speaker 1: those dollar bills. They never they're not saying it, but
21:30
Speaker 1: they're saying it that he's a black guy. I mean,
21:32
Speaker 1: so many white people voted for this guy. He was
21:33
Speaker 1: one of the most popular people ever to be voted
21:35
Speaker 1: in in this country. Do you agree with me that
21:37
Speaker 1: he had an opportunity, unlike anybody before him or since,
21:40
Speaker 1: to bring us together and he refused to do it.
21:43
Speaker 2: Yes, I do.
21:44
Speaker 3: But he weaponized race for political gain. That's what makes
21:48
Speaker 3: it so sick, Joe, that he did it for political game.
21:51
Speaker 3: Look Barack Obama didn't grow up with the experience that men,
22:00
Speaker 3: young black men have growing.
22:02
Speaker 2: Up in the ghetto. He didn't.
22:04
Speaker 3: He went to good schools. He was raised basically by
22:09
Speaker 3: his grandparents, his grandmother when his mom abandoned him. But
22:16
Speaker 3: they did a great job of raising him. He went
22:18
Speaker 3: to elite schools, He went to Ivy League schools. He
22:23
Speaker 3: was the American success story of what can happen with
22:26
Speaker 3: a black kid. If you know, if you got some good,
22:29
Speaker 3: solid foundation underneath you, you got good parents or grandparents, family members.
22:33
Speaker 3: For heaven's sakes, you keep your nose clean, you work hard,
22:37
Speaker 3: you learn how to overcome. And this is what people
22:39
Speaker 3: can learn at home from their parents. So my mom
22:42
Speaker 3: and dad. I talk about it in the book. As
22:43
Speaker 3: you mentioned, one of the most important virtues in building
22:49
Speaker 3: me and a virtue is a redeeming quality, how to
22:52
Speaker 3: overcome obstacles. Life is full of obstacles. But when I
22:57
Speaker 3: was in these situations, I had a mom and a dad,
23:00
Speaker 3: especially a dad to turn to. And even if I
23:03
Speaker 3: didn't turn to them, they saw something was like and
23:07
Speaker 3: he looks like he's taking a little wrong turn. Here, son,
23:10
Speaker 3: get over here, son, let me talk to you. And
23:13
Speaker 3: that's what this Carmelo Anthony didn't have. You didn't have
23:18
Speaker 3: any adult in his family and his life. And all
23:22
Speaker 3: those loud mouths outside the court, where were they.
23:26
Speaker 1: You've got one woman that I just saw a piece
23:27
Speaker 1: of video over on X by one of our friends,
23:30
Speaker 1: Brianna Morello, and the woman says, literally says, what do
23:32
Speaker 1: I tell my five boys? What do we do now?
23:35
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe don't stab somebody in the heart
23:37
Speaker 1: that attract me. I mean, it's isn't it that? That simple, Sheriff.
23:40
Speaker 1: It's not really more complicated, is it?
23:44
Speaker 2: No?
23:44
Speaker 3: Really, you got to talk to him every day. Every
23:46
Speaker 3: day's a learning day. You have more successful parents than
23:51
Speaker 3: unsuccessful parents, and that includes single moms. You have more
23:55
Speaker 3: successful single moms than unsuccessful single moms. Although you're battling
24:00
Speaker 3: the odds if you're going to go with a.
24:02
Speaker 2: Loan like that.
24:03
Speaker 3: But those are the cultural aspects that people stay away from.
24:06
Speaker 3: Oh you don't want to go there, Oh you don't
24:07
Speaker 3: want to you know, that's victim blaming, that's victim shaming. No,
24:11
Speaker 3: you got kids, that's your most important responsibility. It's all
24:14
Speaker 3: in the book. I laid it out because I had
24:16
Speaker 3: to live it for Heaven's sakes, and fortunately for me,
24:21
Speaker 3: you know, I bless God every day for it. I
24:25
Speaker 3: had a foundation, I had a solid start, and that's
24:28
Speaker 3: what it all comes together. But nobody wants to talk
24:31
Speaker 3: about that. They want to talk about, you know, racism
24:35
Speaker 3: and slavery. There's no black today. I don't think there
24:38
Speaker 3: are any left who experienced slavery.
24:42
Speaker 2: They're all dead. That doesn't mean we forget about it.
24:45
Speaker 2: That's not what I'm saying.
24:47
Speaker 3: But I don't want to hear these people today with
24:48
Speaker 3: all the opportunities that are available, talking about slavery and
24:52
Speaker 3: talking about reparations and talking about unfair There's an unfair world,
24:57
Speaker 3: there's no doubt about that. But go back to what
24:59
Speaker 3: I said, learning how to overcome obstacles is an important
25:04
Speaker 3: thing that you can instill in a child.
25:06
Speaker 1: It's a great read and I want you to get it.
25:08
Speaker 1: It's called Cop under Fire. It's by Sheriff David Clark,
25:11
Speaker 1: C L A. Rke. Go to Shriff at Sheriff Clark
25:13
Speaker 1: over on X and go to his website America's sheriff
25:16
Speaker 1: dot Com. I'd be REMISSI, but I didn't hit you on
25:19
Speaker 1: a couple of quick things when it comes to law
25:20
Speaker 1: enforcement trend. Dear Ragua was here, MS thirteen is here.
25:24
Speaker 1: They were here end Mass under Biden, and they were
25:27
Speaker 1: taking over entire apartment complexes in Aurora, Colorado and in
25:31
Speaker 1: other places. Even though the Aurora mayor lied and said
25:33
Speaker 1: they weren't, they literally were running the joint. They're still here,
25:36
Speaker 1: just not as visible as they were. Then if you
25:39
Speaker 1: were in charge, President Trump calls and says, David, take
25:42
Speaker 1: care of these gang members that are in this country.
25:44
Speaker 1: How do you eradicate that problem from our country?
25:47
Speaker 3: Well, I know when they are, you know, in these cities.
25:51
Speaker 3: These people don't hide, they operate in plain sight. But again,
25:55
Speaker 3: you know, once you take these individuals into custody, you've
25:58
Speaker 3: got to make sure you get them out of the country.
26:00
Speaker 3: And the courts are getting in the way.
26:01
Speaker 2: Joe.
26:02
Speaker 3: Every time the president issued some executive order on deportation
26:08
Speaker 3: or whatever, you get some federal judge steps in.
26:10
Speaker 2: Look at this.
26:11
Speaker 3: Clown out in Maryland. Remember that.
26:14
Speaker 2: I can't think of his name.
26:15
Speaker 1: The kilmar Abrego Garcia, who's the Maryland dad.
26:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was almost two years ago, and he's.
26:25
Speaker 1: Being driven around by drivers in luxury SUVs. David. It's
26:28
Speaker 1: like he's a star. It's crazy to me.
26:31
Speaker 3: They had him out of the country once and then
26:34
Speaker 3: some federal judge got involved in order that he'd be
26:36
Speaker 3: brought back in. And I think at that point the
26:41
Speaker 3: ICE officials, you know, with support from the President and others,
26:45
Speaker 3: should have drew the line and said, you want him back,
26:48
Speaker 3: your honor, you go get him. We're not going to
26:50
Speaker 3: bring an illegal person back into the country and have
26:52
Speaker 3: a showdown, for heaven's sakes. But yeah, you got to
26:55
Speaker 3: run these guys up. They're still here. They're the most dangerous.
26:59
Speaker 3: That's where they started going after. The lot of these
27:02
Speaker 3: people still have warrants. They're getting them a little more
27:05
Speaker 3: elusive now because they've gone underground because they're known. But
27:09
Speaker 3: you just got to stay at it.
27:11
Speaker 1: It is Sheriff David Clark. Get that book. It's called
27:13
Speaker 1: Cop Underfire. Go to America's sheriff dot com. America's sheriff
27:16
Speaker 1: dot Com. Let's finish you with this. As we're watching
27:20
Speaker 1: all this anti ICE stuff going on, as we're watching
27:23
Speaker 1: border patrol being attacked, as we're watching cops being attacked
27:26
Speaker 1: in these so called teen takeovers, but you rightfully call
27:28
Speaker 1: them riots. Who the hell wants to be a cop?
27:30
Speaker 1: When you've got a mayor in New York like Mom
27:33
Speaker 1: Donnie who basically hates the police and wants to release
27:35
Speaker 1: everybody from rikers, who wants to be a cop? I
27:38
Speaker 1: know recruitment is down. How do we turn that around?
27:40
Speaker 1: Because if you offer me a job, and one job
27:43
Speaker 1: is everybody hates you because leadership hates you, and another
27:46
Speaker 1: job is they don't all hate you, I'm probably not
27:48
Speaker 1: going to be a cop. How do we change that?
27:51
Speaker 3: Well, you got to rebuild the image that was torn
27:53
Speaker 3: down by these anti cop individuals. And one of the
27:58
Speaker 3: things that you could do is properly fund them. Make
28:01
Speaker 3: sure they have the resources, the training, the budgets necessary,
28:06
Speaker 3: increase the pay. For heaven's sake, cops go out there.
28:09
Speaker 3: They know they're not going to get rich. You know,
28:11
Speaker 3: I went into policing. I didn't think it was gonna
28:13
Speaker 3: get rich. But I wanted to serve my community. But
28:16
Speaker 3: I also wanted to make a decent wage, for heaven sake,
28:19
Speaker 3: a decent living. I'm seeing so many law enforcement agencies
28:23
Speaker 3: that are working without a con a collective bargaining contract
28:26
Speaker 3: for heaven's sakes, for like a year, two years, that's
28:29
Speaker 3: a slap in the face. You want, you want to
28:33
Speaker 3: improve the the recruitment, increase the wages, for heaven's sake,
28:38
Speaker 3: make it work while to go out and you know,
28:43
Speaker 3: sign up and put that uniform on and go out
28:46
Speaker 3: and do this dangerous job every day. But I mean
28:48
Speaker 3: they're doing it basically for peanuts. But you know, they're
28:53
Speaker 3: dedicated and they're gonna keep on doing it. But they're
28:55
Speaker 3: gonna have to rebuild the image. And that's not gonna
28:57
Speaker 3: happen overnight.
28:58
Speaker 1: Underbiden. My orci is, the patrol knew they didn't nobody
29:01
Speaker 1: had their back. HSI knew nobody had their back. Ice
29:03
Speaker 1: knew nobody had their back. In New York City and
29:05
Speaker 1: places like Chicago and other big blue cities, the cops
29:09
Speaker 1: know that city hall doesn't have their back. So even
29:11
Speaker 1: if they increase the wages, would you want that job?
29:16
Speaker 3: You know, help, I think you're going to need a
29:18
Speaker 3: number of things to do. But you know, in this
29:21
Speaker 3: day and age, uh, you know, you want to make
29:25
Speaker 3: a nice living. I'm not saying you pay millions of dollars,
29:28
Speaker 3: but for heaven's sake, some of these cops are only
29:31
Speaker 3: making fifty sixty seventy thousand dollars, can't get an off day,
29:35
Speaker 3: for heaven's sakes, working you know, over time to supplement
29:39
Speaker 3: your income, Why don't we raise it to one hundred
29:42
Speaker 3: thousand dollars a year for a cop. Some cities should
29:45
Speaker 3: do that and try to get somebody else's officers who
29:49
Speaker 3: are already employed. Say hey, you come here to work,
29:52
Speaker 3: and our agencies were going to start you at one
29:54
Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars plus benefit. You'll see people sign up
29:58
Speaker 3: for that. But you know, we still get, you know,
30:02
Speaker 3: the short end of the stick when it comes to
30:04
Speaker 3: what we put up with, what we're required to do,
30:07
Speaker 3: the responsibility we have. We don't want to get rich,
30:11
Speaker 3: but we just want to be decently compensated.
30:14
Speaker 1: I couldn't I could not disagree with you. The cops
30:17
Speaker 1: deserve a lot more money. My dad, my whole family.
30:20
Speaker 1: There were firefighters coming up. They weren't making much. It
30:22
Speaker 1: was volunteers of firefighters, to be honest with you, but
30:24
Speaker 1: they cared about the community and they wanted to keep
30:26
Speaker 1: the community safe. And that's what police are trying to
30:28
Speaker 1: do as well. I like the idea of grabbing some
30:30
Speaker 1: cops from Chicago or New York where they're not being appreciated,
30:33
Speaker 1: and bring them to places where they would be. And
30:34
Speaker 1: that's why I wish you were still the sheriff, because
30:36
Speaker 1: you'd be bringing them on its Sheriff David Clark, formerly
30:38
Speaker 1: of Milwaukee County, Wisconsin. Go get his book, America's Shaff.
30:42
Speaker 1: Go to America's sheriff dot com to get the book,
30:44
Speaker 1: or just go find it where you get your books.
30:46
Speaker 1: It's called Cop under Fire Shaff. It's always a pleasure,
30:48
Speaker 1: great stuff today. Let's do it again very soon.
30:50
Speaker 2: Good talking to you, Joe.
30:52
Speaker 1: I always appreciate it. That's it for this one. Make
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