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The Manosphere's seedy underbelly revealed, Lauren Southern speaks out | Maintaining Frame 110 · Honey Badger Radio

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  The manispheeres CD Underbelly revealed Lauren Southern speaks out. I am your host,
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  Alison Demon and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. I know I switched it up
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  a bit. I did the title first. Oh interesting, Yes, I
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  aim to be interesting, maintaining frame number one ten. And with me,
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  as you can hear, is Brian and we will be discussing Lauren Southern spilling
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  well shall we just yeah, let's get into it. So we're looking at
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  the chase, you know, I mean not really because we can't at this
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  point since we've widered quite a bit, but we could get to it.
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  Yeah, let's get to it. So we were looking at this video.
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  This was a request right sent by one of our supporters patrons. Yeah,
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  oh wait, am I muted? No I'm not muted. No I can
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  hear you? Yeah, okay, no, no, yeah, we we
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  got this request sent by Kuran's the Great Indoors. There's like, he has
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  like three screen names that I have to remember which one he's going by with
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  He's just constantly dodging the Feds and so he has to have multiple aliases,
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  you know, actly never know where he's living or what he's called. All
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  this topic. Yes, so this topic, Yeah, this topic is uh,
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  this is Laurence Southern on trigger nometry. Because these guys are they're so
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  good for this kind of like mid content that has enough clout that it remains
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  extremely popular and somehow prestigious. Although there isn't much of substance there, so
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  here we are not look. I know it sounds like I'm throwing shade.
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  I kind of am a little bit because these guys annoy me and Lauren Southern's
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  been annoying me a lot lately. And I know that she was like totally
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  one of us once, but I think I think that things in her life
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  have changed to the point where she has become a less sympathetic figure by her
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  own actions. So anyway, let's let's look at this. I'm sorry to
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  be so mean, but yeah, just interrupting your you know, your meanness.
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  The the image is not changing to you when you speak, is that?
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  Oh that's by design, I'm because I'm getting ready to start the video.
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  I'm turning the macros on now, but I wanted people to see what
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  we're looking at, so right now on shorts, I just want to give
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  you a heads up right now. No, actually, it's just like people's
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  yeah, I see it, see it, Okay, it's feet. This
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  is a very this is a very feat focused stream today, guys. A
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  little bit of fetish going on there, but we haven't said anything of significance
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  yet. People have Yeah, I'm sure they do. I'm sure there's something
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  for everybody. Now in box will be just stuffed. You brought this on
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  You brought this on yourself, evidence of mug fetish Okay, okay, so
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  anyway, let's play the video. What what section? Do? You just
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  go to the beginning? I want to play a little bit of the beginning
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  and then just getting it's like the teaser a bit. Okay, we're gonna
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  start playing it now. Then, Okay, what happens to these mugs?
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  This is something I haven't talked about at all publicly yet, but I've been
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  sad music. Oh there she is, Yeah, yeah, sad music.
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  If you're looking at the shorts, you're not gonna see as much because the
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  shorts format. I mean I could make I could fit the whole screen,
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  but it's gonna be really small. If you want me to do that,
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  I know, maybe when they're when they're like full screen, or or we
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  just give the mug fetishists what they want, you know, Yeah, I
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  think so. I mean when when they do the they have like they have
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  basically three cameras. They have one that's a full shot, which is this
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  one. They have one that's on the trigonometry guys. And there's one that's
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  on Lauren Southern, so when it's on them, we'll be able to see
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  more of that. So all right, but let's play the rest of this
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  trailer. So we got sad music, violins, Lauren Southern saying I've never
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  told anyone this before. Very sad stuff, guys, very sad. Okay,
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  So let's listen. Listen intnet narratives about how people ought to live their
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  lives. You kind of embodied some of those ideas in your own life and
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  it went spectacularly wrong. It's the reality pill, not the red pill,
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  not the blue pill, not any of these things. Towards the end of
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  our marriage, I found a list in my husband's office of every single media
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  figure that oh, by the way, for those of you who are joining
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  us for something other than the the mug content, she married a FED.
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  She was a counterculture figure that married a FED. You know, I guess
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  she was really capturing that kind of Romeo and Juliet a cross enemy lines kind
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  of quality there, I h But it didn't didn't work out apparently. But
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  she's not in jail, so that's that's interesting. Yeah, But her life
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  was still really hard, guys, and this FED she married totally an example
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  of what the red pill slash manisphere slash right is all about. The FED
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  that she married. That's like, that's I'm serious, that's her, that's
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  her whole. Like I had this bad experience with a federal agent. I
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  know this means that all the people on the right, the manisphere, the
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  red pill, et cetera, they're all the problem because I fucked up.
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  Right, Yeah, well, I mean, but I'm just trying to get
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  through the logic of I married a federal agent something something the manisphere right exactly.
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  Wouldn't the federal agent be more an example of federal agents you would think,
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  you would think, definitely, definitely example of statists. But that's just
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  a thing, right, So okay, let's let's continue. I just wanted
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  to give you that that context. H here we go. Had ever written
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  a negative article about me, both right wing and left wing, and I
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  was told that this was a contingency list of people he would contact to hurt
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  my reputation if I disobeyed in the marriage. That is awesome behavior, that's
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  like, that's abusive. Yes, what So he had a list of people
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  who had ever written anything bad about her, right, and interestingly enough,
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  she's now going to the centrist. Oh, I'm I'm being dissed by the
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  left and the right. Anything bad about her? Okay, but they're already
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  writing bad things about you. What does it matter? What is he going
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  to say? Ah? She she puts the toilet paper in the wrong way,
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  Like, what the hell is he going to reveal about you? That
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  they're not already picking podshots at Well, she's I think she's crafting or she's
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  done this in her mind. I'm you know, I'm not trying to imply
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  any anything nefarious or sinister, but what Look, I watched most of this
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  video, and most of it is a Laurence Southern pity party, Like,
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  woe is me? Everyone's mean to me. This is why I'm taking the
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  reality pill. I'm reality pilled. Guys. Did you know? Did you
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  guys realize that there's nuance in the world and sometimes things aren't black and white?
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  Did you know that? Did you know that, like the internet can,
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  if you like, follow every piece of advice you take from strangers on
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  the internet, that sometimes it doesn't work out in your favor. We got
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  a blame somebody for this, but it's not me. I'm not blaming me,
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  you know, I'm just like, you married a FED and then the
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  FED threatened you with like stuff like he was he deep under. Yeah she
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  didn't. She supposedly didn't know that he was a curious with his side what
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  he would say to you know, I would like to know that too.
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  I would like to know that. I mean, because he's he was saying,
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  if you don't obey in the marriage. Well, okay, well a
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  right wing FED. That's that's different than why are they against the right wing?
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  No? No, no, no, they know a sleeper agent among
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  them. No, he wasn't. He wasn't a right wing FED. He
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  was just a FED, which means he was likely working for the state,
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  which means he was a statist, which means he's a leftist. Really,
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  I mean, that's what leftists are, their statist Allison. But but but
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  he didn't have he didn't have a political affiliation. He was just the guy
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  that she wanted to and it turned out, according to her that he was
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  you know, controlling or something and abuse it. But Feds have been like
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  basically they've put the right on a terrorist watch list. And now she's saying
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  that, yeah, she was on a watch list. She's there's this federal
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  agent who she was married to who is right wing. I guess, well,
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  why don't you just tell the FEDS that he'll probably get fired and put
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  on a watch list. This is bizarre, Like it's just sort of convoluted,
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  strange. I want to be fair. Lawrence other never said what his
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  politics were, She never talked about it, but she she's essentially insinuating that
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  the reason why he kept this list of people who God, why would you
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  not be like, yeah, no, I'm not having children with someone anyway.
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  But she kept this list of outlets of people that ever said anything bad
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  about her and apparently was going to give them ambiguous information that would ruin her
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  reputation with people who already hated her, which doesn't make sense on the surface.
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  And also, what the hell would he have did on you, Like
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  what were you doing in your marriage? Like they already hate you, they
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  already hate your politics. What is he gonna reveal about you unless it's personal
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  indiscretions? Did you engage in personal indiscretions? Is he just gonna lie about
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  that? Like did you take anyway? It just it It doesn't make a
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  hell of a lot of sense. And then what I'm getting at is she's
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  saying this FED demanded a right wing relationship in which she was the surrendered wife,
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  which I don't know, Like that's coded right wing? Now, well,
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  obviously then his politics are right wing. Well, go out him with
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  his employer, Like, isn't she just damaging the hell out of his career
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  at the FEDS now, like they're gonna find out. Oh look, this
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  guy he believes right wing sybylists. You know, he wants a surrendered wife.
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  Isn't that terrorism? Now? Like? And again, where does he
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  get to say his side? I mean, I can't believe I'm standing up
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  for a FED, but really, doesn't he get to talk about what happened?
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  Or does he completely silenced while she goes out and says all of this
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  about their relationship and puts it on trial in public with him not being able
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  to comment back. Yeah, sure it's abusive if it happened. Does he
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  get the opportunity to rejoin it? Is he going to get a spot on
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  trigonometry to say his side? Because otherwise this is just a star court of
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  this guy. This is just basically holding court with one side, which isn't
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  of itself very very unethical. Yes, but also this isn't even it's not
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  this guy that's on trial. This is the reason for this vide is that
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  it's it's the entire red Pill manisphere that's on trial because they're the ones that
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  turned on Lauren Southern when this all happened. And that's the thing, Like
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  she's what she's well, we haven't, we haven't even gotten past the intro.
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  But I just want to point out that this the fed the whole thing
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  with this x is is really just the precedent that is being set so that
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  she can make claims about the people that she used to I guess, fuck
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  with, like you know, roll with to make them look bad. And
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  she's done this, She's made videos about this, and I've already expressed my
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  frustration because I don't think it's fair. I think it's she's being like she's
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  claiming that people are being really black and white with their thinking, while she's
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  being black and white with her thinking about like every you know the reality of
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  it, and I mean, these are people that like, this is a
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  person that on Karen's couch and she probably would say, you know, I
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  don't include you guys, but That doesn't matter, Lauren, because you're not
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  making it explicit. Number one. Number two, you say the red pill,
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  and that's just like, that's just everybody. Yeah, it might be
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  the people that you don't like. Maybe it's the people who came after you,
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  whoever that might be. That might be in those circles like Rollo or
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  something, but it also is people like us because we get lumped in with
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  that too. And this is this is a kind of guilt by association irresponsibly,
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  and that's what is That's why I get annoyed with that, because it's
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  almost like you are more interested in how you look at the other end of
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  this thing than whatever the truth is. And because you make the claim,
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  Lauren Southern, that this is all about like, oh, guys are just
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  chasing clout and money because that's like one of her last video. Oh you
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  can make a lot of money if you like shit on women or whatever,
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  while also engaging in your own out chasing with these people like this, this,
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  this is the thing, like maybe I'll say this for later, so
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  we we'll play some more than well. I just wanted to it before you
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  go go ahead, go ahead, because I've been sort of waiting The funniest
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  part of this is for ten years, or actually not ten years, but
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  since GG in Victory in Vancouver GG and Van where we met Lauren Southern like
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  I met I think Karen met her earlier. We met Lauren, yeah,
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  for the Women's March thing, the SlutWalk, the VV and Van right or
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  GG and Van, and we had a picture taken with her. And from
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  twenty fifteen when that happened to like four years later and it died down during
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  COVID, there was a feminist poster, a fairly large which a fairly large
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  following. I'm not gonna name him, but he would bring up that photo
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  of me with Lauren Southern to discredit me for years, for years. I
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  wonder if he's still gonna do it. I'm not, Oh, you don't
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  want to mention? Is it a journalistist. It's one of those floating people
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  who somehow always become an expert on the men's rights movement. They would always
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  bring up this this photo and say, look at you, look at you,
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  uh, posing with this Nazi fascist handmaiden. Guilt by association, Guilt
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  by association, like literally that she was used as guilt by association for me
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  and Brian and Hannah and Karen. People would use her mug with us to
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  say, you're just as bad as Lauren Southern because of your association with her,
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  and it's just like, wow, how the worm has turned huh yeah,
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  well again now what I would say? Like, I mean, I
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  think he even used it, even used it. When we had the International
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  Conference on Men's Issues in twenty nineteen, this individual tweeted this photo and said,
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  here's that. Here they are standing by known fascist Nazi handmaiden Lauren Southern.
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  And I'm like, I think I just didn't respond to it. I
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  think I just didn't respond to it, because what do you do, Like,
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  I'm not going to be like, oh my god, I disavow oh,
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  because then you're always playing the guilt by association game. So when when
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  I was being demonized by association with Lauren Southern, I didn't play that game.
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  I didn't say, oh, well, no, I definitely don't agree
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  with Lauren Southern and horror horrible concepts and ideas and her racist attitudes. I
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  never said anything like that. I don't know what I don't even remember what
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  I said, but I'm pretty sure I either defended her or I said,
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  this is guilt by association. I'm not playing that game. Mm hmm.
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  But well thanks thanks Lauren. Thanks Lauren Southern, thank you. Yeah great,
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  Yeah, all right, let's keep going, all right, uh yeah,
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  well we're gonna play the rest of the intro, I guess, and
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  then we can like look at a section to behave at one oh one.
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  This idea that you have in the red pill community that you know, no
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  matter what the man does, the woman is supposed to just that's not how
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  it's supposed to be. Lauren Southern, welcome to her. Okay. So,
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  for the record, nobody ever says that this is another these guys pissed
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  me off for different reasons. So he says that this idea and the red
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  Pill that like women are just supposed to be the servants to men. That's
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  just not the way it is. Like nobody says that. Nobody says that,
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  like even no, I'm sorry, it just doesn't happen. I don't
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  give a fuck, like you're this is like, really, you're just strawmanding
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  the out of these people. If they do, Okay, this is something
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  that I've realized and you might disagree with me, Brian, if they do
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  if there is a part of the red pilled manisphere who says this crap,
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  well they got their corresponding, uh female counterpart. Among feminists, I would
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  say all feminists because or at least all feminists who believe that men oppress women,
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  Because what is that except asserting moral dominance over an entire class of people?
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  Right? So what is that? Is that demanding that they constantly serve
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  you to to to do what's that word? They serve you in order to
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  redeem themselves for their sin. Okay, so those two if you're seeing the
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  rise of men who say exactly the mirror opposite of what feminism is said to
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  men, oh, well, like you, you're seeing your other half.
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  You guys deserve each other, honestly. So these two sides, I know
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  you hate the centrism thing, but these two sides, I mean, I
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  just recently read a tweet by a very popular tweeter that said that men should
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  live in essentially what they what she termed military barracks, but they can't actually
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  leave it, so it's more like a prison and they just get bust in
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  to do the utilities, while women live real lives in the city. So
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  essentially what they're saying is men should be a slave class, a literal slave
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  class. Okay, you want to look at the nasty shit being said.
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  Okay, fine, you got the red pill bros saying it about women,
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  you got feminists saying it about men. Right, It's interesting to see that
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  suddenly feminists are getting some of their own shit thrown back at them, and
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  everybody's going nuts over the men who are doing it, Whereas I'm like,
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  you know what, how long were men supposed to just swallow this crap and
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  not just swallow this crap, but swallow this crap in a narrative where they're
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  told that they aren't swallowing the crap because they are the ones creating it,
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  like literally shoveling crap into men's mouths and saying, you're the ones creating this
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  crap, we're shoveling into your mouth, like it's it not just expecting men
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  to stand to endure this abuse, but gaslighting men by saying you're the ones
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  who are doing the abuse, like it's just it's infuriating. And as much
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  as I don't agree with like this idea that they're saying that red pill,
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  I don't know redpill bros really do. I'd rarely see it, but I
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  have seen some unpleasant things that red pill bros say, so I'm not gonna
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  say they don't. But in so far as I'm seeing all this, I'm
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  saying, I'm seeing the coarsening of the discourse. And I don't necessarily agree
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  with what you might term the extremeist red pill bros. But on the other
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  hand, nothing I said stopped what feminists were doing, and women were women
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  on misious women on the internet and misagdreous men on the internet were saying about
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  men. Nothing I said nothing when I went up and I said, hey,
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  you know, that's really mean. What happened to people, the people
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  involved in what happened to me, and what happened to the people involved in
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  Honeybaggerato who got kicked out of a conference, you know, potentially got kicked
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  out of a country for saying, Hey, that's mean. Maybe it's not
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  fair. Maybe you should stop asserting things that are patently untrue about men.
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  You know, when you frame it that way, it doesn't matter. You
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  get kicked out, you get sense, you get put on a watch list,
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  right, And I have done that for years now. Brian has done
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  that for years now, Karen has done that for years. No, Hannah
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  has done that for years. No, Hey, this is mean and unfair,
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  it is unjust. Let's let's stop it. And nobody listened. Every
• 25:19
  y' all did everything in your power to ignore and censor us. And I'm
• 25:25
  not just the main big YouTubers like this YouTube commentators. You don't. You
• 25:27
  wouldn't even touch us, you wouldn't even give us a platform. And all
• 25:32
  we're saying is, hey, that's mean, stop it. And now we
• 25:37
  see the rise of the red pill bros giving a bit of what they've got
• 25:42
  back. What are we supposed to feel We're supposed to now go on your
• 25:47
  side and say, hey, you know you're being mean? Really, you
• 25:53
  know, honestly, I think it's just the consequence of actually having ignored being
• 26:00
  so cruel to men for so long. There's now a critical massive men who
• 26:06
  just don't give a flying fuck. And I don't even mean the guys who
• 26:10
  are engaging in sort of abusive or or statements or saying all this stuff that
• 26:15
  gets women riled up. I mean the men who are just checking out,
• 26:18
  the men who would have at one point said, hey, bro, don't
• 26:22
  who would have actually exerted a negative social pressure on the assholes, which you
• 26:26
  know have always existed. You know, they're just checking out. And why
• 26:30
  should they continue to fight this fight? Why should they? What all they
• 26:36
  get is more cruelty? All right? So you know what you guys deserve
• 26:44
  each other? It is It is Godzilla versus Mathra, and I am just
• 26:49
  I'm sitting this out. Okay, all right, So then are we not
• 26:55
  watching this video? No? No, we're watching the video literally, not
• 26:59
  literally no, okay, Okay, I'm a little confused. So all right,
• 27:06
  uh so I'll I'll just say about this about the all right, we'll
• 27:11
  just jump into the first bit. So there's Laurence Convert, controversial political past,
• 27:15
  punished for being first Lawrence take on immigration. I don't care about that.
• 27:19
  My trad wife went wrong, Why my trad life went wrong? Okay,
• 27:25
  sure, let's don't they like liberals to even be in the government.
• 27:33
  Well sort of, but I I think that again, let we have to
• 27:37
  understand that Laurence Southern is measuring her personal experience and projecting it onto the world,
• 27:48
  thinking that it's everyone's experience, and and she's creating the boundaries of this
• 27:52
  and saying this is my what I live through, and this is the reality
• 27:57
  of everybody else because like I married Lindsay and and like my like the fact
• 28:03
  that we stayed together in her mind is a miracle, you know, going
• 28:07
  on eight years now in November, and has nothing to do with the fact
• 28:11
  that we got to know each other for a while, suck each other out,
• 28:14
  figured out that we had very similar values, you know, and that
• 28:18
  we were able to get along really well, and then we just said let's
• 28:21
  get married and that was it, right, And it hasn't. It hasn't.
• 28:23
  I mean, you know, like nothing's perfect. There's always gonna be
• 28:26
  like issues, you know, we get into. But for the most part,
• 28:30
  despite everything, like I had cancer and all of that. Yeah boogie,
• 28:33
  I had actually had cancer, unlike you, and yet we still stuck
• 28:38
  it out. And if it went like if somehow things go south, I'm
• 28:44
  not gonna go on the internet and say marriage doesn't work for anyone and it's
• 28:48
  a lie and it's like bull you know what I'm saying, Like it's just
• 28:52
  one of these things. Man, Like you have an experience and you want
• 28:56
  everyone else to like think that your experience is the is proof of it's like
• 29:00
  evidence against the norm in something right? Well not, well, I think
• 29:03
  she's making evidence it's against the trad life. But there's some confound though does
• 29:10
  that mean the surrendered wife or some crap? But no, but she didn't
• 29:14
  do that. Yeah, go ahead, Well apparently she's asserting that she did
• 29:18
  that, but there are some confounds here. You're married a FED and you
• 29:22
  are a countercultural icon on a watch list. At what point did you stop?
• 29:27
  Like did you just say, like, stow the estrogen for a second.
• 29:30
  Here, let's engage the frontal lobes, right, this this might be
• 29:37
  a problem, Like it is it really the fact that you had a traditional
• 29:41
  relationship whatever that means, or was it because he was a FED and you're
• 29:48
  counter cultural or were a countercultural icon on a watch list? Like, at
• 29:55
  what point did you say, maybe our maybe our general goals and values and
• 30:00
  virtues in life are not quite aligned. Except I guess she found the one
• 30:06
  fed. And you know what's really funny is again, even though it feels
• 30:11
  awful that like they're just talking to her, they're not giving his side,
• 30:17
  he just disappears. Was he a honey pot? Like it's possible, But
• 30:22
  again, like the conversation about this specific man. Yes, it's like it's
• 30:26
  okay, Okay, guys, her experience applies to women marrying Feds who may
• 30:33
  or may not be honeypots who are pretending to be right wing. Okay,
• 30:38
  this is a very narrows it's a very narrow applicability to reality. It's not
• 30:48
  reality pill, it's I don't have a really good sense of when things might
• 30:56
  go awry? Shall we say, like this is this is looney to level
• 31:00
  of lack of situational awareness. Well, it's a lack of again, I
• 31:07
  think it's a lack of personal responsibility. But let's let's listen to this trad
• 31:11
  life disaster. Okay, significantly more complex than any sort of listical and well
• 31:17
  one of the things that Mary Harrington knows again, yeah, she mentions that,
• 31:22
  you know, did you guys know, did you guys know that relationships
• 31:26
  and marriages are more complicated than a listicle on a website. I know,
• 31:30
  it's crazy, it's crazy. You didn't. You didn't consider this, So
• 31:33
  you know, you're welcome in advance. If you go online you look at
• 31:37
  listicals and you think, oh, this must be what real life is.
• 31:41
  Yeah, it's not true. I know. I also am shocked by this
• 31:45
  revelation. Good, okay, anyway, let's play some more. She did
• 31:51
  a piece with you and Unheard, which was one of the reasons we wanted
• 31:53
  to talk to him. One of the things that she was highlighting is effectively
• 31:56
  that a lot of the internet narratives about how people ought to live their lives.
• 32:01
  You know, you have the red pill for men, this is how
• 32:05
  you should treat women, or the right wing type of stuff, and then
• 32:07
  there's equivalent from sort of radical feminists and whatever from realistical If only, if
• 32:15
  only someone had published a listical of all the reasons why you shouldn't marry a
• 32:21
  fed, it's the one thing saved. It's the one thing BuzzFeed should have
• 32:27
  made. That was the you know, like appropriate fed feds if they were
• 32:32
  Disney princesses, like, that's the thing we would would have been saved.
• 32:38
  I don't know have happened. Like anyway, let's let's keep going. I
• 32:44
  just I gotta keep bringing that up. I know, I know, we
• 32:46
  we we got it though, we got it. Okay, let's play some
• 32:50
  more. The way she tells it, at least you kind of embodied some
• 32:53
  of those ideas in your own life and it went spectacularly wrong. I think
• 32:57
  it's it's fair to say, yes, that that is fair to say.
• 33:01
  Now there have Okay, did you embody the idea? Like you you basically
• 33:07
  declared yourself a surgeon, and then when it's the surgery, like, there's
• 33:12
  a lot even even though I don't advocate for so called traditionally, it's not
• 33:16
  that I don't advocate it. I just don't advocate or not advocate for it.
• 33:21
  I mean, that's the way you want to live your life. That's
• 33:22
  the way you want to live your life. But it seems like there's more
• 33:25
  to it than just are you doing the traad thing correctly? Yeah, Look,
• 33:32
  there's there's religion to it, there's belief, there's Yeah, there's there's
• 33:37
  a whole context of uh, you know a book that has a whole bunch
• 33:42
  of wisdom in it that you you know, you might want to study that
• 33:45
  kind of thing. You might want to be part of a community. You
• 33:46
  might not want to marry a fed like that. That that might be That
• 33:53
  might be a like I said, a confounding factor. Okay, all right,
• 33:57
  I know what you're doing, so we can continue. Yeah, because
• 34:00
  I want to hear her actual like what she's gonna actually say. Let's let's
• 34:06
  respond to what she says. Okay, so yeah, then criticisms out there
• 34:10
  that Lauren, you weren't the perfect trad wife. You you know, you
• 34:15
  were a boss babe out their work, and you didn't get married to someone
• 34:17
  who lived near you. You didn't you didn't trad perfectly well, and therefore
• 34:22
  you aren't the best example to show that he's blind. No, that's yeah,
• 34:28
  this is uh see, this is okay, what do you This is
• 34:31
  a logical fallacy that she's doing. She's saying people on my side because she
• 34:37
  wants to throw them under the bus accuse me of not doing this thing absolutely
• 34:43
  perfect. And that's and because I couldn't live up to that standard, I
• 34:47
  guess it was doomed to fail. No one is saying that like nobody normal.
• 34:53
  Nobody normal. I'm sure some weirdo is saying it somewhere, but nobody
• 34:58
  normal thinks that you have to follow a very strict like walk a very thin
• 35:04
  line. This is feminist argumentation. By the way, this is exactly the
• 35:07
  rant at the end of the Barney movie where the Girl, where the woman
• 35:10
  talks about how you have to be this but not too much. You have
• 35:15
  to be this other thing and not this thing. This is exactly the kind
• 35:17
  of woman logic stuff that gets women like you clowned on because you think that
• 35:24
  people are telling you that you have to meet a specific standard, and you're
• 35:29
  pretending you're straw manding that argument. Like, you know, anybody would know
• 35:34
  that keeping any relationship is not requiring a checklist of specific behaviors. It is
• 35:40
  about, essentially, if you want to be a good woman, just bring
• 35:45
  man. Just bring peace into your man's life and support him like a cheerleader
• 35:50
  and everything will be fine. And also have the ability to discern whether or
• 35:54
  not a man is good for you, you know, like whether or not
• 35:59
  he's a fed but not just that. Like, you know, there's this
• 36:01
  thing where women do this thing where they they end up breaking up with the
• 36:07
  guy or getting a divorce, and when they're asked why, they will say
• 36:13
  he changed. And I don't think that this is true in most cases.
• 36:19
  I don't think that's a thing that happens. I think that generally people don't
• 36:22
  change. It's just that their partners were not paying attention when they were dating
• 36:29
  them, and they just jumped into something too quickly. You know Stefan Molinu
• 36:34
  used to be on YouTube and he used to do call in shows. I
• 36:37
  mean, I think he's still on the internet somewhere, maybe bitshoot or something.
• 36:40
  And he used to take calls, and very very frequently people would call
• 36:45
  in. Women would call in having relationship problems, wanting to break up with
• 36:51
  guys, wanting to get a divorce, whatever, or they would talk about
• 36:53
  their history, and very frequently they would talk about their their childhood and what
• 37:00
  would often come up is they would blame their father or their stepfather for being
• 37:04
  abusive, for being mean, for being all these things. And moliniould always
• 37:07
  say what about the mother? And they would have nothing bad to say about
• 37:10
  their mothers in most case, like ninety percent of cases, and he would
• 37:15
  he would say, what the very least, you have to consider that your
• 37:17
  mother, even if even if this man, this man who was your stepfather
• 37:21
  or your father, was abusive, even if that's true, you have to
• 37:24
  look at why your mother chose to sleep with him or marry him, like
• 37:30
  why And this is the thing, like women are not asked to be discerning
• 37:36
  when it comes to men. They just take whatever, like you know,
• 37:39
  sparks their the JJ like whatever makes them makes them wet, and then they
• 37:45
  just go out with that guy, and then that guy turns out to be
• 37:46
  a piece of shit, and then they say, well, this is what
• 37:49
  all men are like because they don't see other men. They're like not people.
• 37:52
  Right, So Lauren Southern got got all tingly over this guy and then
• 37:59
  jumped into some thing. Didn't get to know him obviously because she didn't realize
• 38:02
  he was a fed and then it goes south and then her oh hole where
• 38:07
  she lands at the end is oh, well, I guess the trad life
• 38:08
  thing is just bullshit then and it's like, no, you fucked up,
• 38:14
  you fucked up. This is the thing, Like this is what I mean.
• 38:15
  Women have to understand that, like not every man is a catch,
• 38:21
  and maybe you're measuring this by the wrong criteria and you should be more discerning,
• 38:27
  you should be looking for something else. If you want something stable,
• 38:30
  find a man that's stable. If you want something that's just gonna like make
• 38:32
  you hot and bothered, then go ahead, go out with the Andrew Tate
• 38:37
  guy if you want, you know, but don't pretend like you can turn
• 38:39
  one into the other. And that's the thing, Like Laurence souther will never
• 38:43
  do this, Okay. She chose a man that excited her and then had
• 38:47
  a baby with him and got married to him even though he lived in a
• 38:51
  different country, and then when it didn't work out, she was like,
• 38:55
  oh, this is the trad cons lied to me. No, no,
• 39:00
  dude, you have to that's your fault. Like, I'm sorry, but
• 39:04
  am I wrong? That's your fault? Well, I mean also like,
• 39:07
  uh, I have a doubt that she necessarily really invested in the trag con
• 39:14
  life. And I have no interest in defending it, like I'm not.
• 39:17
  I'm not. I don't live a track con life. I don't pretend to
• 39:20
  live a trad con life, none of I don't think anybody who knows me
• 39:24
  it expects me to advocate for it. And it's and I don't not advocate
• 39:30
  for it. If you if that is the way that you want to live
• 39:32
  your life, go for it, right. But I don't think that this
• 39:38
  is fair on a logical level to say that, yeah, this is this
• 39:44
  circumstance is a condemnation of that lifestyle or And the other thing is that the
• 39:49
  red pillars think I don't think they really advocate for a true traditionalist lifestyle either
• 39:54
  like really, I mean they're a mixed bag, like I think that,
• 39:59
  like, okay, I'll put it like this, and this is not I
• 40:00
  wouldn't say this is a defense. This is just like me being real about
• 40:05
  what the supposed manisphere PUA redpill part of the community is. They're essentially very
• 40:12
  very sexually successful guys trying to give advice to guys who are not going to
• 40:16
  be as successful as them. So you have guys that are not interested in
• 40:21
  the trad life giving advice to guys who are, and those guys are hoping
• 40:25
  to use the skills they'll learn to find like the one and not necessarily to
• 40:30
  like sleep with as many women as possible, because most of those guys aren't
• 40:32
  going to. And it's not an insult against them, it's just that,
• 40:37
  you know, they're not in that top ten percent, so they're probably just
• 40:40
  like, well, look, I just need to learn how to, you
• 40:44
  know, get right with my money or you know, like better invest better
• 40:51
  or get in shape or whatever whatever things they want to learn how to talk
• 40:53
  to women, et cetera. And it's mostly I would guarantee you that the
• 40:57
  majority of those guys they also didn't have a masculine role model in their life
• 41:02
  because we're three generations in to essentially creating the making the growing up without a
• 41:08
  dad thing the norm, and so most of these guys don't have a father
• 41:13
  or you know, they don't know him or whatever, and so they're like
• 41:15
  trying to navigate this this environment. Again, this is another thing that I
• 41:20
  hate. And look, I'm not defending the red Pill guys because I'm a
• 41:24
  fan. I'm just saying the truth of the matter is that the most of
• 41:30
  the men who are in the manisphere are there because the regular world does nothing
• 41:35
  for them, and they're looking for solutions and they're looking for answers and these
• 41:38
  are the only people who offer them anything. And even if they're the standards
• 41:43
  that those guys are are or not standards, but the way that the actual
• 41:46
  content creators, like the fresh and fits and stuff, the way that they
• 41:51
  live their life is sort of out of the reach of the average man.
• 41:54
  The average man is still looking to them because there's nobody else, and people
• 41:59
  like this, like Lauren Southern and the trigonometry guys, they're gonna shit on
• 42:02
  those guys and they're doing it from their position of their own cloud. Because
• 42:07
  these trigonometry guys. They make good money. You know, they probably are
• 42:09
  married with kids and everything else. So it's easy to point at the guys
• 42:13
  that are like, you know, they're directionless and they're frustrated and they're trying
• 42:16
  to figure things out and they're just, ah, you're just being you know
• 42:19
  what you should be you what you should do is what like you know,
• 42:22
  uh, most men have been trying to do for at least a couple of
• 42:25
  generations that has given them nothing. You know, happy wife, happy life,
• 42:30
  Just just you know, bend the knee to her, just do what
• 42:32
  she says, don't try not to get divorced. It's fine, you know,
• 42:36
  try anyway. We know that data is not in your favor, but
• 42:38
  you're not allowed to be upset about it. And that's just bullshit. Like
• 42:42
  these guys are allowed to be upset about it, and it's so you know
• 42:45
  what if if they're going to people like Fresh and Fit or whatever for advice,
• 42:49
  that's not that's not their fault. That's not Fresh and Fit's fault.
• 42:52
  That's on you, guys, because you didn't provide them with anything except they're
• 42:57
  well, just try anyway, bro, And that's just not enough. Sorry,
• 43:00
  but that's just the thing of these guys are not helpful. Lauren Southern
• 43:04
  is not helpful, Like she's just saying, oh, it looks like it
• 43:06
  didn't work. Oh well, I guess we don't have any answers because my
• 43:08
  life is a mess. And I know you guys are beneath me because otherwise
• 43:13
  you'd be doing better, but you can't be because I'm doing bad. Therefore
• 43:15
  no one could be doing as well as I am. Right, it's you
• 43:20
  know, sorry, but it's just it's cringe. This is the I couldn't
• 43:22
  make it through this video. It's so great. I put it this way.
• 43:24
  The men who are attracted to this or attracted to it because they think
• 43:29
  that the trad can the trad white life is how you get married, right,
• 43:35
  and how you stay married and how you have a happy life. He
• 43:37
  says that happy wife. Well, I mean it's if there was another way,
• 43:42
  if there was a perception of another way for men to get married.
• 43:45
  That the idea of marriage is associated with traditionalism now right, Well, yeah,
• 43:53
  like you're basically a trad because you're married, yeah right, yeah,
• 43:57
  or even if you're not, like my mom and my father or not.
• 44:00
  They never officially got married, they just like said that they were. But
• 44:05
  even then they were in an a monogamous relationship. They lived together, you
• 44:08
  know, so like they were basically married, and that's yeah, that's trad
• 44:12
  by today's standards. Yeah, it's That's what I'm trying to say that are
• 44:15
  these men attracted to this because they believe or they they truly want a trad
• 44:21
  life or even to have a woman adopt a trad life, or because they
• 44:25
  think that that is the main avenue to marriage. Now that's their possibility of
• 44:30
  marriage. Also, Like I mean, I had this sort of conversation of
• 44:35
  people in the discord. I find it very rich and maybe you'll maybe you'll
• 44:39
  disagree, But someone like Andrew Tate speaks out against degeneracy when degeneracy is what
• 44:45
  got him his platform. So that's that's something that I know it's a bit
• 44:51
  of a segue, but I'm just saying that, Like it's it's even the
• 44:55
  situation where a lot of these red pill influencers so called, don't even live
• 45:00
  the life that they're espousing, and they wouldn't even have the platform that they
• 45:07
  have without having existed in what would they would consider a degenerate society. So
• 45:12
  it's like, I totally in some ways, I totally agree that a lot
• 45:16
  of this stuff is not very healthy. But what's the alternative, Like you
• 45:20
  were saying, what's the freaking alternative? Well, yeah, I mean you're
• 45:23
  not offering anything. You're just saying, like, you know, because look
• 45:28
  for a lot of these guys, I think the majority of guys. Okay,
• 45:32
  so you're you're a man. Let's say you're a zoomer, you're like
• 45:35
  twenty something, you have a job, You're not you're not in your Bama's
• 45:40
  basement with Cheetoh on your beard or whatever, like none of these you know,
• 45:45
  uh, negative stereotypes. Just a regular guy. You're just a regular
• 45:49
  guy. You have a job, you're working on your credit score, you're
• 45:52
  decently well educated, and you can't find a woman because the modern dating market
• 45:57
  is an absolute trash fire. And you're trying to navigate this without getting into
• 46:02
  trouble. You want to get me too. You don't want to get arrested.
• 46:06
  You don't want to get you know, some crazy chick attacking you,
• 46:08
  breaking her nail and calling the cops. You're trying to avoid navigate all of
• 46:14
  these mindfields. You don't want to end up divorce, You want to end
• 46:15
  up losing your kids. You don't want to end up getting you know,
• 46:19
  into these and these are all real problems and concerns that men have. And
• 46:23
  the truth is is that the environment, the social environment, it essentially not
• 46:29
  just permits women to do this. It encourages women to do this, to
• 46:34
  to use men in these ways, to use them as money to you know,
• 46:37
  grab that bag while securing their own bag. Like this is not unusual
• 46:43
  that women are encouraged to be entitled beyond compare, and men are being told
• 46:49
  by the sort of white noise of our of our culture, that women are
• 46:54
  to deserve that that men are the reason, like women are oppressed by men.
• 47:00
  Like that is so men have to somehow gain favor with women while being
• 47:05
  aware of their own privilege and and like how do you do that? Like
• 47:08
  if I was like twenty something, I wouldn't want to bother at all.
• 47:12
  And so you have men are either choosing to walk away completely, which a
• 47:15
  lot of them are doing and it's growing in number, or you get men
• 47:17
  that are like, well, I'm going to try and figure this out because
• 47:20
  I don't think it's you know, they have an inkling they have, they
• 47:22
  have a gut insect that tells them that this can't be something that's completely out
• 47:28
  of their control. Because of course, men want to feel like they have
• 47:30
  some agency and some control over their destiny. So they go to what they
• 47:35
  go to advice. They try to find people who have done it, who
• 47:37
  are an example that they want to follow. And that's where these these sort
• 47:40
  of red pill influencers come in and they're helping them. And you know what,
• 47:45
  no one else is no one else like I mean, you can say
• 47:49
  we do, but I'm saying we don't have the reach like we're not.
• 47:52
  We don't have it. I'm going to I'm going to get in there and
• 47:53
  say why, right, you say the red pill influences are helping them,
• 47:58
  I'm not entirely so that that's the case. They are fulfilling a desire.
• 48:02
  I'm not sure if they're helping it. The thing is that they reason why
• 48:07
  they have the clout is because there is or they give the perception that following
• 48:13
  them will result in getting married and having children or finding a woman, or
• 48:19
  they they say, if you do this, then you will get the life
• 48:22
  that you want. And I think in a lot of ways because I think
• 48:25
  that we would have a larger following if we said, you know, ah,
• 48:31
  the way that you get women is by being a men's issues advocate.
• 48:36
  I mean that's absurd, right, but that's what they are. That's not
• 48:38
  what we do. Yeah, that's not what we do. Like, that's
• 48:42
  not our focus. But if we did do that, if we said,
• 48:45
  to this vast ocean of very desperate men, yeah, you know what,
• 48:52
  we have exactly the oil and vinegar combination that if you put on your salad
• 48:59
  will attract theo to you. Guess what we would be able to sell in
• 49:02
  droves and multitudes, you know, like if we have the exact I don't
• 49:07
  know what is the code? Like hell, hell divers, arrow up down,
• 49:13
  you know, Oh we have that. We've cracked. Yeah, we've
• 49:17
  cracked the code. And if you just you know, with with five easy
• 49:21
  payments of nine ninety nine, we'll send you the code that will bring a
• 49:24
  woman into your life. If we did stuff like that, we would probably
• 49:29
  have more clout, you know, we would probably Or if alternatively, you
• 49:32
  went on the other end of the spectrum and said, wow, men are
• 49:37
  totally oppressing you ladies, and you do not need one, and you should
• 49:39
  be so happy with your single lifestyle. And you know, if we were
• 49:45
  female single lifestyle influencers, you got those two poles that are making a ton
• 49:50
  of money. But when you look at it, it's terrifying because what they're
• 49:54
  making money off of is the destruction of the breeding colony. Is the is
• 50:00
  the slow rotting and degradation of the breeding colony of the of our society's inability
• 50:07
  to get people pair bonded, which is critical. Ah ah, sorry,
• 50:12
  I've got something in my eyes, so I'm crying a little. The last
• 50:15
  episode, there was something I wanted to say, the average Our society does
• 50:20
  not get the average man and woman in relationships anymore, doesn't do the things
• 50:23
  necessary to get that happening. Instead, what it does is it is constructed
• 50:30
  a system in which the only people who sort of win are the women who
• 50:35
  are okay with being number five in a harem of ten to one of the
• 50:39
  top ten percent of men. That is the system that our society is now
• 50:44
  incentivizing. It is the system that it that it is built now to support.
• 50:51
  Right, that is what we're doing, That is what we are creating.
• 50:57
  It is the exact opposite of a breeding colony. And of course eventually
• 51:01
  everything that requires a breeding colony to exist will collapse. But my overall point
• 51:07
  is that I think the sexlessness among women is now being driven because there's a
• 51:14
  lot of women who don't want to be part of that, but they don't
• 51:17
  know what they want, so they just imbibe this content about single theom and
• 51:22
  it's like both sides are getting a narrative in which they're not actually dealing with
• 51:30
  the problems that they have. It's palliative. It's like an out for the
• 51:35
  men's side, it's like an alcoholic saying, well, I could quit any
• 51:37
  time if I wanted. And on the women's side, it is hiding further
• 51:43
  and further into their shells, into their fear of the unknown, into their
• 51:46
  fear of having to live up and grow up in order to be part of
• 51:52
  a relationship. Because that's what relationships do. You have to allow a bit
• 51:58
  of your individuality. You have to you know, like a romance is about
• 52:00
  two individuals putting the relationship ahead of their respective, you know, selfish interests.
• 52:08
  And that's true about a romantic relationship. It's true about like buddy love
• 52:13
  cop relationships. That's what that story is about. You could see it in
• 52:16
  Mastering Commander or The Terror. You know, this kind of attitude of I
• 52:22
  am going to overcome some aspect of myself because I put the relationship ahead of
• 52:27
  my own very limited self interest. That requires courage, It requires self analysis,
• 52:32
  It requires understanding yourself. It requires being a whole human being and being
• 52:38
  able to take a risk. And women are running from that, and they're
• 52:42
  consuming content that justifies their cowardice at the same time as men are consuming content
• 52:49
  that says, oh, hey, wow, if you go out in a
• 52:52
  full moon and do the jiggy giggy dance, a woman will pop out the
• 52:57
  ground for you. You know, that kind of thing like just ridiculous,
• 53:01
  no, like belief that they can somehow, through these actions now take on
• 53:09
  the entire destruction of the system, you know, and and just manufactured a
• 53:15
  woman, you know what I mean. I mean, it's possible. I'm
• 53:20
  just saying that I don't think that the red pill bros. Are really giving
• 53:22
  them genuine insight into how to overcome this problem. They're just giving them another
• 53:30
  way of saying, well, if I do X, Y and Z,
• 53:34
  somehow I will be able to manage it. I'll just get out of this
• 53:37
  somehow it'll work. You see what I'm saying, you know, And yeah,
• 53:40
  but I was sorry, go ahead. I was just saying I wasn't
• 53:45
  trying to make this about what we were doing that they weren't doing. I
• 53:49
  was simply saying, okay, back the men. The men are looking.
• 53:52
  They're looking for answers. These guys are providing something some direction. Yes,
• 53:58
  and and even if it is an ultimately what they need, even if it
• 54:00
  isn't ultimately helpful, they're not getting alternatives from anyone else. Instead, they're
• 54:07
  just getting attacked even for seeking help that might not actually be what they actually
• 54:13
  need, but it doesn't matter because they're being attacked for it. Right.
• 54:15
  They're being criticized, the Red Pills getting thrown under the bus at every turn,
• 54:21
  which includes us. Whether we are a part of that or not doesn't
• 54:23
  matter because we're all like connected, it's irrelevant. And people who knew us.
• 54:30
  This reminds me of I mean, I know that she has since,
• 54:34
  like you know, sort of mentioned us in a better light, but Shuan
• 54:37
  had did something very similar when she was making her video right where it was
• 54:40
  like, oh my god, the red pill, the Manisteret is just as
• 54:44
  bad as the feminists. We're still hearing this, We're still getting this message.
• 54:47
  It's the same thing on both sides. And Laurence Hutter's doing it too
• 54:52
  now. She's like, I'm reality pilled, Like this is like you know,
• 54:57
  and it's just not the case. Instead, what's happening you have you
• 55:00
  have? Yes, there are competing narratives. Yes, women get one and
• 55:05
  men get one. But the one for women is actively anti male, and
• 55:09
  it's everywhere. The one for men is in a relatively small corner of the
• 55:14
  Internet, and I and even if and even then, it's not there specifically
• 55:19
  to make men hate women. I mean, like, at worst, maybe
• 55:22
  it's scope escapegoats women more than women are comfortable with, because I don't think
• 55:28
  it's like necessarily unfair. I think that there's you know, there are there
• 55:32
  are women who do bad things and nobody wants to talk about it, and
• 55:35
  there are men who do good things and nobody wants to talk about it.
• 55:38
  But I think that like what I'm ultimately landing at is it's it's not about
• 55:44
  it's not about what we do compared to what the rest of the manosphere does.
• 55:47
  It's about where why are men seeking this out? Because they need help,
• 55:52
  and no one else is giving them any and when they go here,
• 55:54
  they're being they're still getting scolded because they went to the wrong place. And
• 56:00
  what offered an alternative? What's the alternative? Do you know? I'll tell
• 56:04
  you what the alternative. It's whatever the Department of Homeland Security uses to redirect
• 56:08
  men. That's what they want. They want them to go to these you
• 56:12
  know, good Man Project male feminist spaces, you know where men lay in
• 56:15
  pools and cry in each other's arms because they don't want them to actually seek
• 56:21
  help, even if the help they're seeking may not be ideal. You see
• 56:24
  what I'm saying. Yeah, well they don't want Yeah, I think you're
• 56:30
  right. It is a fundamental difference. The narrative that women are getting is
• 56:37
  one of hatred and contempt towards men, and the narrative and fear, and
• 56:42
  the narrative that men are getting is women like this, so if you do
• 56:45
  it, they will like you. Yeah, and also be aware of these
• 56:50
  bad things that women do, like look out for old diggers, for example.
• 56:52
  Yeah, fair enough, Like there are bad women. Yeah, I
• 56:55
  get what you're saying. It's just that I think that honestly, the narrative
• 57:02
  a the narrative of men oppressed women is leading to women being more and more
• 57:09
  terrified of being any kind of relationship with a man, which is leading to
• 57:14
  the content like the triumphal singletom content, which is a self reinforcing negative thought
• 57:20
  spiral that is making it more and more difficult to find women who are in
• 57:24
  any way interested in a relationship with men. Has nothing to do with freedom,
• 57:30
  It has everything to do with women are choosing to lock themselves in a
• 57:34
  frickin' mental crate when it comes to men. And the problem is that,
• 57:39
  in my opinion, the red pill content is looking at this situation and saying,
• 57:45
  well, men, if you just I don't go to the gym,
• 57:51
  you know, do this other stuff, you can somehow strong arm your way
• 57:54
  through this situation. But the honest to god truth is that women need two
• 58:00
  man up. They need to stop being afraid, and they need to stop
• 58:06
  constantly consuming narratives of fear. You know this is this and it's not just
• 58:09
  because oh wow, you just want like the trad con or you want relationships
• 58:15
  or the baby. It's because it's a lie and it ruins your life.
• 58:20
  Before we continue, and I I recently got into this conversation when one of
• 58:24
  the followers of some rad femme. She was the one who talked about how
• 58:30
  men should live in prisons and be bust in to do all the work and
• 58:32
  then bust out and then they can get like porn and sex dolls and all
• 58:37
  that stuff, because that's what they really want. And I was talking to
• 58:40
  one of her followers, and I said this in this way just to get
• 58:45
  under her skin. But I said, you you put a lot of cognitive
• 58:52
  energy into because you believe that men control so much. You put a lot
• 58:58
  of cognitive energy into their opinion and trying to control them and try and being
• 59:04
  worried about what they do when they're when they're with each other. And I
• 59:08
  said, one of the benefits of actually recognizing men's issues is that you learn
• 59:15
  you don't need to worry about men that much, you know. And I
• 59:19
  said it in a way that put what would get under her skin, And
• 59:22
  I said that you know, men don't have the power that you think they
• 59:24
  do. Therefore you don't have to constantly be thinking about them and what they
• 59:30
  control and what they're doing outside of your Like you know what I meant.
• 59:34
  In the in the hidden free Mason basement. What are they up to?
• 59:38
  You know, like, it's like you don't have to think about it,
• 59:40
  you don't have to spend mental energy on it anymore, because you know that,
• 59:45
  first of all, men don't have that much power, and second of
• 59:50
  all, even more importantly, generally, they won't use it to hurt women,
• 59:54
  you know, and and you you jett uson all this cognitive load.
• 1:00:00
  And that's what women need to do. They need to realize that they're wasting
• 1:00:04
  their time, they're wasting their being, they're wasting who they could become on
• 1:00:09
  bullshit about men. And she didn't even answer after that, She's just screwed
• 1:00:16
  off. I'm like, wow, you really have you really got some convictions
• 1:00:21
  there. Anyway, let's get back to listen to more of Lauren's convictions.
• 1:00:27
  Mary's don't work. These binaries do work. You just did it wrong.
• 1:00:30
  That's the main criticism I've seen of that Mary Harrington article, which you know
• 1:00:34
  was quite emotional for me to do. I was I couldn't have written it
• 1:00:39
  myself. I couldn't have published that myself. It would have been too difficult
• 1:00:42
  for me to talk about. But I let her do with the information what
• 1:00:45
  she will. And one thing I would say to that is, I have
• 1:00:50
  thought about this so much. What if I just didn't work at all?
• 1:00:52
  What if I married a local boy in my community. What if I didn't
• 1:00:54
  date anyone before I dated my husband? What if I followed that trad listical
• 1:01:00
  perfect Would my fate have been any different? Would I not? We're talking
• 1:01:05
  about a listical You you weren't being this wasn't facetious on your part? Well,
• 1:01:12
  no, I think she's making fun of the notion of building a get
• 1:01:20
  I don't a typical marriage. Like I don't want to call it traditional because
• 1:01:25
  the word traditional has for some reason, a politically charged connotation that goes with
• 1:01:31
  it. But like because like, look, I know regular people that like
• 1:01:37
  get married and they have kids, and they're not shouting to the mountaintops that
• 1:01:42
  they've made like a political decision. They have simply made a decision that fits
• 1:01:46
  their lifestyle and their desire for a certain arrangement. Sometimes the woman works and
• 1:01:52
  the man stays at home, but most of the time they're either both working
• 1:01:55
  or the man is working. That's just the way it is. There's nothing
• 1:02:00
  like no one's saying it has to be this way. No one is saying
• 1:02:02
  it has to you know, like that that if you break these rules,
• 1:02:06
  you won't be happy. Like literally, Lauren is creating straw men and tearing
• 1:02:09
  them down, like this is what they do. They create a dude or
• 1:02:14
  a scenario and then they tell you what that person's opinions are, make them
• 1:02:19
  sound absolutely ludicrous, and then tear them down with a well, obviously that's
• 1:02:22
  not gonna work. And it's like, but people make it work all the
• 1:02:25
  time, Like I said, I know people who have, you know,
• 1:02:29
  four or five kids and only the man works, and you know they don't
• 1:02:31
  have like they don't all have cell phones, but they they are happy and
• 1:02:37
  they have everything they need and you make it work. So it's not like
• 1:02:42
  people just have a way of coming together and making it work. No one
• 1:02:45
  is saying there are rules, No one now there's there are like suggestions,
• 1:02:52
  I guess, like, okay, here's here is what you might do if
• 1:02:55
  you have a specific outcome in mind that will give you the best odds.
• 1:02:59
  But no one is saying you must do this. Nobody. And so Lauren
• 1:03:02
  is claiming she is claiming to be held to a standard that no one is
• 1:03:07
  holding her to and then saying, well, look I can't meet the standard,
• 1:03:10
  but no one's holding you to the standard, you know. So yeah,
• 1:03:15
  I mean she's sorry. I don't know I'm there. First of all,
• 1:03:17
  the thing is that isn't the trad life more about I mean, if
• 1:03:22
  if we're looking at a genuine trad life, isn't it more about living your
• 1:03:25
  life in service of God? Not? Oh, if I do them,
• 1:03:30
  if I take these these ten point listical things, I will have the life
• 1:03:34
  that I want, I mean, the ten commandments. But seriously, like,
• 1:03:37
  the thing is that I'm saying that her attitude is wrong. You don't.
• 1:03:42
  You don't meaship with life as far as I can tell looking at it
• 1:03:45
  from the outsider. You don't enter the life because you think that it's going
• 1:03:50
  to construct the perfect life for you. If you want that, go buy
• 1:03:54
  Oprah's secret and try to like get some candles in a shrine and try to
• 1:04:00
  a fest whatever. Like you do it because you feel like a calling to
• 1:04:03
  live your life in service of God, in in having a family. Right,
• 1:04:09
  yeah, and so this it just sounds like I understand that. But
• 1:04:15
  but Christianity never really factors in. So I guess like there is a there
• 1:04:19
  should be a concept of like a secular trad life. Okay, so she
• 1:04:25
  wants us okay, all right, you know what can we get away from
• 1:04:30
  her experience of the trad life? First of all, it's completely defunct by
• 1:04:33
  the fact that you want to try the trad life. First off, why
• 1:04:39
  don't you don't don't marry a fed like rule one? R I sense that
• 1:04:45
  you're I sense that this video is burning you out and you're ready to stop?
• 1:04:48
  Is that right? Yeah? Or or can we get to away from
• 1:04:53
  the trad narrative, which is like very interesting to me? All right,
• 1:04:57
  so let me see if I can find your online content is mistaken for identity?
• 1:05:00
  How does that reality? No, No, that sounds good. This
• 1:05:03
  is this is This is from the person who apparently Okay, So just just
• 1:05:09
  to clarify, is she saying that if she okay, I can only take
• 1:05:13
  this on face value? She's saying that if she had lived out the trad
• 1:05:17
  life listical? Right, that her life would have been better? Or she's
• 1:05:21
  saying that would she's saying it would have been worse anyways, Yeah, but
• 1:05:27
  it's a listical isn't that taking online content as reality? Well, she could
• 1:05:34
  she could be characterizing the she what she's She's not literally talking about listical that
• 1:05:41
  she saw on BuzzFeed. She is characterizing the traditional arrangement of marriage where the
• 1:05:49
  man works and the woman stays at home and raises children. And she's characterizing
• 1:05:54
  it as a listical because she wants it to seem absurd because she is a
• 1:05:59
  single mom. Now that's what I mean. And this is like her cope.
• 1:06:02
  It's cope. The whole thing is cope. Is that is that fair?
• 1:06:06
  This is this is? This is a cope stream because she fucked up
• 1:06:12
  and and she couldn't just be like I did this all wrong, right,
• 1:06:16
  like that's all like people I think that she's still a woman. She would
• 1:06:21
  have gotten tons of sympathy. She is not. She is not. It's
• 1:06:24
  all copium. So maybe she could come out and said, ladies, don't
• 1:06:28
  marry a FEDS. Yeah, that would be well yeah. Or she would
• 1:06:31
  have been like take a step back and think, Okay, what were the
• 1:06:34
  signs, you know, like where they're because like if you're not if you're
• 1:06:38
  blinded, if you're wearing rose tinted glasses, did he did he often wear?
• 1:06:44
  Was he? Did you have an ear piece? Was he like doing
• 1:06:47
  this when he talked to you? Could you talk into could you talk directly
• 1:06:50
  into my chest? Lauren? When he had sex with you? Did he
• 1:06:55
  did? He always wear like a khaki a blue shirt FBI on it to
• 1:07:00
  hide the wire like I think it was an Australian. I think he was
• 1:07:06
  an Australian fed. We need a listical on uh on how to spot the
• 1:07:11
  Feds. Yeah, okay, but anyways, like this just feels like somebody
• 1:07:18
  who's seeking out some something to like some kind of purpose, which is sad,
• 1:07:26
  all right, But also, oh, I got a super child.
• 1:07:28
  I forgot what's her opinion on it? Immigration? Like this was her big
• 1:07:30
  issues that like just no opinion. Now no, there was a whole section
• 1:07:34
  on it, but I skipped it because I didn't think it was really well,
• 1:07:39
  just summarize it, summarize it. I don't remember she is she okay
• 1:07:44
  with it? Now? Controversial take on immigration? I don't know. Probably
• 1:07:48
  that she like I don't remember. It doesn't matter. The Europe is cooked.
• 1:07:54
  But I got a super child from great indoors. I forgot to read
• 1:07:57
  ten dollars. By the way, guys, let me know how this sounds.
• 1:08:00
  My voice I mean, I've made some changes and I did a bunch
• 1:08:03
  of stuff before the show, so I don't know if this is good nice,
• 1:08:06
  but okay great Indoors gives us ten dollars and says, despite the AC
• 1:08:11
  DC shirt, Brian is wearing a CDC. I do appreciate the lack of
• 1:08:15
  AC noises in the stream, and my conditioner is on right now. By
• 1:08:17
  the way, the apparent autistic autophile approves. By the way, the donation
• 1:08:24
  will follow next, Allison, the Badger Cave doesn't pay for itself. Thank
• 1:08:28
  you for the super chow. Really appreciate it. And do you want to
• 1:08:32
  tell them if you want to send another one? Send another superchow, please
• 1:08:40
  do so it feed Thebadger dot com slash just a tip. I'm just not
• 1:08:42
  I I'm feeling poorly. I'm not really let's get into this whole thing about
• 1:08:47
  online, I think, honestly, like it just it just comes down to
• 1:08:51
  this everything that she says about the trad life or whatever she's terming the trad
• 1:08:57
  life, I don't even know what the hell is going like. I don't
• 1:09:00
  know, but it is basically rendered mood by the man she married. Yeah,
• 1:09:09
  okay, all right, let's all right, so this is the online
• 1:09:14
  content is mistaken for reality. Let's find out it's interesting. I was thinking
• 1:09:18
  of what you just said on the way over here, because and I understand
• 1:09:23
  why Francis asked the question. I understand exactly why you answered it the way
• 1:09:26
  you did, because we are like geriatric millennials. We just called the very
• 1:09:30
  end of the less of the geriatric mate forty two. What can I say
• 1:09:35
  anyway? Babies and just children, just children. Okay. When I see
• 1:09:43
  stuff on the internet, when I see people on Twitter saying stuff about relationships,
• 1:09:46
  I've been married twenty plus years at this point, right, I just
• 1:09:54
  go, well, no one can possibly believe this crap. Right, That's
• 1:09:58
  what I think when I see stuff on the internet, when I see various
• 1:10:02
  influences talking about how to how to have a marriage, and I just look
• 1:10:06
  at it. Yeah, I saw that. I like. So the way
• 1:10:10
  it works is there has to be a second of silence and then just whether
• 1:10:15
  it's you, me or the video and then it'll switch scenes. But there
• 1:10:18
  has to be like a gap. So because it's like reading, it's like
• 1:10:23
  listening to the audio tracks, and so if there's overlapped, then okay,
• 1:10:28
  anyway. So I'm just gonna shut up and I'm gonna play it. I
• 1:10:32
  just go no, no, this is insane. No one can possibly believe
• 1:10:35
  this, And I'll swipe to the next thing. But what I increasingly realize
• 1:10:39
  this may sound like a really stupid thing to say, but increasingly talking to
• 1:10:43
  young guys that work with us and all the rest of it is like your
• 1:10:45
  generation, that's your reality. You don't have anything to compare it to.
• 1:10:50
  Quite often, unless you have some personal experiences, seeing your parents and stuff
• 1:10:56
  like that, you're taking People are taking this stuff literally. Oh, absolutely
• 1:11:01
  they are. And I think also the easy solutions come from a generation of
• 1:11:06
  young people who did grow up in broken homes in a lot of cases,
• 1:11:12
  and they want to think in their head, there is an easy solution to
• 1:11:15
  this. This shouldn't be happening. I shouldn't have grown up in a broken
• 1:11:18
  home. There should be steps I can take to prevent myself from experiencing this,
• 1:11:23
  or they'll get so bitter about it, they'll say, actually, there
• 1:11:26
  are no steps you can take. It is just you know, all women
• 1:11:30
  bad, all men bad marriage shouldn't exist. It's a lot of pain,
• 1:11:34
  a lot of pain people have so they experience something horrific and they want there
• 1:11:42
  to be steps to take to avoid it. And that's a problem, Like,
• 1:11:48
  seriously, how is that a problem? But also calling out this generation,
• 1:11:55
  this younger generation, as living not in reality, all right? Feminism
• 1:12:00
  is living not in reality, right, believing that men oppress women. But
• 1:12:06
  then somehow all you do is complain about men oppressing women. Two men is
• 1:12:13
  not living in reality, right. All of these radfems who talk about,
• 1:12:18
  oh they hate men, they want to live in a world without men,
• 1:12:23
  and yet all they do is complain about it. They don't take any not
• 1:12:27
  living in reality all right. There's a lot of women who aren't living in
• 1:12:30
  reality, and there's a lot of people who are invested in manufacturing a completely
• 1:12:35
  false reality. And it didn't just start with social media. Social media may
• 1:12:41
  be a force multiplier for this artificial reality, but the start was when,
• 1:12:46
  I guess, and maybe in World War One, maybe before that, with
• 1:12:49
  a declaration of sentiments where they realized that sex war is a money spinner.
• 1:12:57
  It can sell all kinds of concepts, it can sell all kinds of goods.
• 1:13:00
  It is essentially a fundamental driver of consumerism. Sex war and now we
• 1:13:06
  are experiencing basically the end of that, like the end of the boom.
• 1:13:15
  This is where the sex war deflation comes, Like it's where it's no longer
• 1:13:20
  working. The bubble has gotten so big that the only thing I can do
• 1:13:24
  now is pop. Right, So, but that was unreal, Like we
• 1:13:30
  have generations upon generations upon generations of academics who constructed an entire house of cards
• 1:13:39
  around sex war, around this idea that men oppress women. It's all a
• 1:13:44
  bunch of bullshit, and a good part of our foundation is complete bullshit.
• 1:13:49
  Like the academia is supposed to provide an intellectual foundation for society, and everything
• 1:13:57
  that it does with sex, outside of a few outliers is complete bullshit.
• 1:14:02
  So don't talk of that that somehow the zoomers are living in unreality. We've
• 1:14:08
  been living in unreality for generations now, right, We've been living in a
• 1:14:13
  freaking advertising jingle. We're pretending that that has the same kind of wisdom as
• 1:14:18
  the stuff that came out of the Bible. Right, And I'm not again,
• 1:14:24
  I'm not a Christian. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that
• 1:14:27
  the document of a group of people who live through the fall of possibly a
• 1:14:30
  civilization lived through a lot of shit might have some value in it, a
• 1:14:35
  hell of a lot more than a jingle about sex wars that sells freaking smokes
• 1:14:40
  or sorry cigarettes. Right, Okay, now that's what we've been living in.
• 1:14:45
  And again, social media might be a force multiplier, but the lie
• 1:14:49
  was already there. Okay, yeah, and how are you going? Are
• 1:14:56
  you offering anything? Is this woman offering anything? No, it's just like
• 1:15:00
  she basically Okay, So she says the internet has done this. It makes
• 1:15:05
  men say women are bad and women say men are bad. But that's not
• 1:15:10
  really true. It's just to your point, Like, the internet may be
• 1:15:14
  a force multiplier, but the narrative that men are bad is way older.
• 1:15:18
  And what's happening with men is not that they're being told that women are bad,
• 1:15:24
  but they're seeing what women are saying about them and they're getting angry about
• 1:15:28
  it. This is like the look, I've said this for many years now,
• 1:15:34
  the red pill would not exist if it weren't for feminism. There would
• 1:15:39
  be no red Pill, there would be no Manisphere, there would be no
• 1:15:42
  Andrew Tate, there would be no Fresh and Fit if it weren't for feminism.
• 1:15:45
  And it just keeps doubling down, doubling down, doubling down, doubling
• 1:15:48
  down, doubling down, and you're just going to keep getting more and more
• 1:15:53
  of these kinds of people. Like you had Warren Ferrell the nineteen sixties.
• 1:15:57
  He was probably the nicest guy, right, totally soft and polite, And
• 1:16:01
  now you have Andrew Tate. Do you think that's an accident? Like this,
• 1:16:05
  This is what you're going to continue to get. And the more you
• 1:16:09
  say both sides, which is what this is, the more of that you're
• 1:16:12
  gonna get. Because it's just like, you know, a bully finally gets
• 1:16:18
  his comeup ins from the kid that he's been bullying, and then you show
• 1:16:23
  up and you punish both of them. You're just gonna make the kid resent
• 1:16:27
  you because he was being bullied. So you know what I'm saying, So
• 1:16:31
  like this is the corruption started with men oppressed women. Yeah, that's where
• 1:16:38
  it begins. I mean, Laurence Southern doesn't seem to like she thinks of
• 1:16:44
  feminism as SlutWalks and sexist air conditioning. Sorry, but that was like the
• 1:16:47
  easiest shit to debunk. It was. It's not that it's the oldest story
• 1:16:54
  of men oppressed women all throughout history or in these foreign countries. It's just
• 1:16:59
  not true, true and that, and that's the problem. So men reacting
• 1:17:03
  to this and you blaming them is ridiculous because I don't think men hate women.
• 1:17:11
  I think that and I've said this too. If women said that they
• 1:17:15
  were sorry for how they've been treating men for as long as they have,
• 1:17:19
  men would immediately figurative, they put down their weapons. They're like, Okay,
• 1:17:24
  what are those mild critics? Basically, yeah, they're they're mild.
• 1:17:28
  They're mild criticisms there, they're negging. They're negging. I don't think it
• 1:17:32
  would I don't think it would end, but you know, they'd be like,
• 1:17:35
  okay, you know, maybe they're maybe they'd be less despondent. But
• 1:17:42
  you know, women aren't, aren't they They have too much pride. They
• 1:17:45
  can't stop themselves. The manosphere in the red pill community are doing mean tweets
• 1:17:51
  on the internet. Feminists have made it so that male victims of domestic violence
• 1:17:58
  are more likely to be arrested than their abusers. Feminists have written male victims
• 1:18:04
  of sexual assault rape victims out of the statistics like they have constructed a whole
• 1:18:11
  bunch of scholarship that makes it harder for a man who is being beaten by
• 1:18:16
  his wife to be believed. They have made all kinds of scholarship and makes
• 1:18:20
  it harder for boys who are abused by women to get help. This is
• 1:18:26
  what feminists do, right and even and if we even look at what they
• 1:18:30
  do from female victims, they promote initiatives that are beneficial to feminism but may
• 1:18:38
  end up having more women be raped, right, yeah, graped? All
• 1:18:43
  right, So this is what feminism is doing. Is there anything wholesale that
• 1:18:47
  compares Yeah, Andrew tape, maybe personally facing some charges, But what is
• 1:18:55
  it that the whole manosphere has done that really compares just to one thing that
• 1:19:00
  feminism did, That one thing informed by feminism, which is marry costs and
• 1:19:05
  all of the crap that she's put into the issue around sexual assault from all
• 1:19:13
  the one in four creating rape hysteria among women, great hysterium and women too,
• 1:19:19
  literally cooking the books about who is being raped and who is raping rape,
• 1:19:25
  who's raping who by saying that men who are sexually assaulted by women cannot
• 1:19:30
  be considered raped and then removing them from the statistics Okay, what manosphere influencer
• 1:19:40
  has done as much harm to women as Merry Costs has done to men?
• 1:19:45
  And that's just one feminist in good standing who feminists continue to quote and continue
• 1:19:53
  to regard as being a authority on sexual assault. Right, name one one?
• 1:20:01
  All right? All right? So I got a super chat from ZARAENK.
• 1:20:04
  I want to read it really quick. And he says Southern supposed to
• 1:20:08
  be a libertarian and she got taken in by a FED. I honestly would
• 1:20:12
  have thought she'd be the honeypot. Is there an Australian m I six?
• 1:20:16
  I guess there is. It's probably an Australian MOI sex or something like that.
• 1:20:20
  I don't know. I don't do I don't do those accents. All
• 1:20:24
  right, thank you for the superchat chat, ZARAENX. Let's jump to another
• 1:20:29
  part. So we got like if you want to stop in like the next
• 1:20:31
  eight minutes, there's probably a good bit here if I remember correctly, the
• 1:20:38
  movement to repeal votes for women. Uh yeah, she talks about cat turd
• 1:20:45
  who traumatized her. I guess audience capture on the right. I felt I
• 1:20:48
  had to hide my divorce, my experience of abuse the red pillars turned on
• 1:20:54
  me. There is that no empathy for an avatar wants has made me politically
• 1:21:00
  homeless. You know what, I could just respond to that in general,
• 1:21:09
  there's no such thing as being politically homeless. You're just being a coward.
• 1:21:13
  You have values and you have principles, and you just stick by those and
• 1:21:17
  wherever you land on that, that's what it is. What oh I said,
• 1:21:21
  do you have values and you have principles? I just said, that's
• 1:21:24
  sort of generous in this content. No, I'm saying if someone has Look
• 1:21:28
  when people say, yeah, when people say I am politically homeless, they
• 1:21:32
  are being a moral coward. I said this on Twitter. People got mad
• 1:21:35
  at me. But let me be let me explain, Okay, what I
• 1:21:39
  think When people say that, they're saying, well, I want to find
• 1:21:42
  out what team I'm on. But the thing is that's not how people work.
• 1:21:45
  That's just not like there are no teams. Really, there is a
• 1:21:48
  spectrum, unlike gender, which is not And what you do is you say,
• 1:21:53
  here are the things that I believe, and that's it. You don't
• 1:21:56
  have to say what that means. That's not important because people are going to
• 1:21:59
  come up with you know, Oh, you're an anarcho syndicalist, you're a
• 1:22:02
  whatever, and you know, like so what, who cares? Just say,
• 1:22:06
  look, these are the things I believe, and that's it. You
• 1:22:10
  don't have to fall into anything. And I think that maybe some people,
• 1:22:14
  maybe young people, they feel like if they can't clearly say I am this
• 1:22:18
  or I am that, then that means that they are homeless. No,
• 1:22:21
  it doesn't, because you have unless you have no opinions on anything. But
• 1:22:27
  everyone has opinions on something, So you just say, these are my values,
• 1:22:30
  these are my principles, and that's it. So sorry, not buying
• 1:22:34
  the politically homeless argument. I feel like it's people playing victim of, like,
• 1:22:39
  you know, the discourse. So I'm a victim of the discourse because
• 1:22:43
  I don't agree with everything these people say, and I don't agree with what
• 1:22:45
  everything these people say. Stop it, stop it. Okay, I probably
• 1:22:48
  am more disagreeable than most, but I know where I stand on shit.
• 1:22:53
  I'm interested in her actually talking about, Yeah, you go to that,
• 1:23:00
  how I met my husband, how I met my mother? I mean sometimes
• 1:23:04
  almost went to jail. In fact, once again, another thing pausing I
• 1:23:10
  haven't spoken about publicly when I part of the shit again. Reason that I
• 1:23:15
  found my husband very attractive is when I was in Turkey, I was facing
• 1:23:18
  five years in jail. We got arrested while filming Borderless by the military and
• 1:23:26
  they had put the sheets on our desk. We were going to court the
• 1:23:29
  next day. You are facing five years in jail and I would have been
• 1:23:33
  just getting out, like now my life gone. My husband he actually,
• 1:23:41
  obviously there's been talk about him being a FED and having connections with that world.
• 1:23:45
  I didn't fully understand it then and I wasn't dating him at this time,
• 1:23:47
  but he had done some work for me at that time, and him
• 1:23:51
  and another individual that were working on the Borderless film as security and fixers.
• 1:23:57
  I didn't realize that they had connections with intelligence agency. He is one of
• 1:24:00
  them American, the other one Australian who was my husband, and they were
• 1:24:02
  able to get me out of jail, get me out of that situation in
• 1:24:06
  I don't know exactly the detail. You didn't ask any questions, did you,
• 1:24:11
  because it was benefiting you at the time. Yeah. He was just
• 1:24:14
  like, I can pull some strings, and she was like, Okay,
• 1:24:16
  I guess this is just what guys do. I guess this is just a
• 1:24:19
  guy. I think it was just usual guy with your oh men and their
• 1:24:27
  ability to manipulate the court system. That must be that male privilege I keep
• 1:24:33
  hearing about. Oh good lord. So you didn't ask any questions at that
• 1:24:38
  point. All right, all right, so what's the abuse? So I'm
• 1:24:45
  curious, all right, Uh is that in here? I think there's like
• 1:24:48
  a h my experience of abuse. That's hope right there. All right,
• 1:24:54
  we'll play it from here, based than just this horrific audience capture. I
• 1:24:58
  think it's used by governments, it's used by abusive spouses. I think it's
• 1:25:01
  used if you know you're gonna have to go to the beginning of this context
• 1:25:05
  of what's being used as abuse unless you're willing to. I think it's I
• 1:25:10
  think it's mostly verbal and emotional, if I remember correctly, nothing physical,
• 1:25:15
  more than just the audience stuff like part of my marriage that was It's hard
• 1:25:23
  for me to even say abusive. I don't like using the word abusive because
• 1:25:26
  it's hard for me to even conceptualize it that way myself, because I very
• 1:25:29
  much still, even though horrible things happen, I still care for my husband.
• 1:25:32
  Doing that married article was very difficult, But there are reasons that I
• 1:25:35
  kind of had to talk about it, honestly for my own sake. Towards
• 1:25:41
  the end of our marriage, I found a list in my husband's office while
• 1:25:45
  I was cleaning of every single media figure that had ever written a negative article
• 1:25:50
  about me, both right wing and left wing. And I was told that
• 1:25:55
  this was a contingency list of people he would contact to hurt my reputation if
• 1:25:59
  I disobeyed in the marriage. Wait. Wait, so he never used it
• 1:26:03
  as a as a threat. You just found it at the end of your
• 1:26:06
  relationship, when the relationship was breaking down, and presumably you're all saying hurtful
• 1:26:15
  things. So how so up to that point you weren't being abused. Is
• 1:26:19
  this okay? Because well, he apparently he had, you know, expectations
• 1:26:27
  of her to be a good wife or whatever, but she was and she
• 1:26:29
  was trying to deliver on them. That according this is just her account,
• 1:26:32
  by the way, we don't really know, so it's just her side of
• 1:26:36
  the story. We don't know. And for some reason this fed is just
• 1:26:42
  disappeared like and then this happens in this complete turn about. Yeah, I
• 1:26:48
  believe that. I believe that after the divorce, he fired a grapple gun
• 1:26:53
  to like a zeppelin and they flew away back to the volcano layer that he
• 1:26:58
  lives in. No, but it's like okay for his or the nuclear submarine.
• 1:27:01
  I don't know even he hasn't even come out to speak the moon base.
• 1:27:06
  But seriously, no, he hasn't. I haven't heard anything from him
• 1:27:10
  that I don't even know who, haven't even made a statement like is he
• 1:27:13
  completely just doesn't want anything to do with it, which does not reflect well
• 1:27:17
  on her going publicly like this? Or is it just a situation where she's
• 1:27:23
  already doing what he wants her to do. I'm just saying, okay,
• 1:27:29
  more of the video. I guess that's a little bit of conspiracy, a
• 1:27:32
  little bit. Yeah, any of that, he would contact them and start
• 1:27:36
  spreading rumors about me, saying that I was a failed tried wife, all
• 1:27:40
  of these sorts of things. So, you know this control mechanism of public
• 1:27:44
  He threatened to do what you're already doing. Well, she wanted to get
• 1:27:48
  ahead of it. That's why she put out her video. Okay, this
• 1:27:51
  sounds really paranoigm. First of all, you know, you know, you
• 1:27:56
  know what I don't know if you know, but she did accuse because she
• 1:28:00
  was she came she okay. In a video she made, she claimed that
• 1:28:05
  she flew out to LA to watch a screening of The Red Pill when it
• 1:28:10
  was screening in LA and New York or whatever. And I think it was
• 1:28:15
  either the screening or or something else. And she claimed that one of the
• 1:28:20
  men's rights activists had had like made a pass at her or essentially like tried
• 1:28:28
  tried to say her. She didn't name any names, she didn't follow any
• 1:28:32
  reports or anything like that, but I think that this was what she was
• 1:28:36
  using as precedent to essentially say, look, they're you know, this was
• 1:28:43
  part of them both side thing, like here's a guy. She didn't say
• 1:28:45
  who it was or anything, part of the men's movement involved with the making
• 1:28:49
  of the Red Pill documentary. He he came out to me strong. I
• 1:28:53
  felt threatened. She made this whole a whole video about it, if I
• 1:28:56
  remember correctly, and I just, well, yeah, she didn't name it,
• 1:29:01
  but I don't. I don't. Again, I'm just saying that this
• 1:29:03
  is like it seems to be part of a pattern that I'm I'm seeing of,
• 1:29:11
  you know, Like she claimed that Paul Josef Watson made a pass at
• 1:29:14
  her. She claimed a couple of things, And I don't know is he
• 1:29:18
  he? I always I always I always pictured him like with my little monopolis
• 1:29:23
  for some reason. But but no, I don't think he is. He's
• 1:29:26
  actually got a kid on the way. Actually he's actually married and he is
• 1:29:30
  a child on the on the way. But it's still a really like messed
• 1:29:32
  up thing to throw out there, especially again if you're not actually like making
• 1:29:38
  like like you're not making any criminal allegations. But the thing is, if
• 1:29:44
  you make a criminal allegation, this is how a lot of the me too
• 1:29:46
  stuff works. If women make a criminal allegation they have, then they have
• 1:29:49
  to back it up. Then they have to provide evidence and everything else.
• 1:29:53
  But if they just put out an allegation on the Internet and they don't they
• 1:29:57
  don't call it criminal and maybe even try to it a little bit, you
• 1:30:01
  know, then they have enough plausible deniability that they can charage someone's reputation or
• 1:30:06
  damage anyone attached to them in any way without actually having to pay the piper,
• 1:30:13
  you know, in terms of like showing the receipts. Right. So
• 1:30:15
  I bring this up because it just kind of dawned on me while I was
• 1:30:17
  watching this that she did do that to us because we were, you know,
• 1:30:23
  very much tied to the making of the Red Peel documentary. We helped
• 1:30:26
  Cassie J. We brought her out to the ICMI a couple of times.
• 1:30:30
  And I still like, I'm a big supporter of Cassie J and and everything
• 1:30:34
  else. And I think that what she did was extremely important and really good
• 1:30:38
  because at the end of the day, for me, this has always been
• 1:30:41
  about having the conversation, and Cassie J brought forth something that really got people
• 1:30:46
  talking, and I thought that was good. And to have Lauren Southern come
• 1:30:49
  out later and be like, and this is not it had no bearing on
• 1:30:53
  anything else except oh, this has been my life, you know, and
• 1:30:56
  and this is why I'm no longer whatever I thought I was, you know,
• 1:31:00
  I'm politically homeless or whatever. And it's kind of annoying because again it
• 1:31:04
  comes across as cowardice. Well, I mean, maybe it happened, maybe
• 1:31:11
  it didn't, who knows. I mean, it's an allegation with no evidence
• 1:31:14
  behind it. We don't know who it was alleged against. But let's continue
• 1:31:18
  because I want to find out did he actually abuse her during the relationship.
• 1:31:24
  Let's see, reputation can be used in a lot more ways than just this
• 1:31:29
  horrific audience capture. I think it's used by governments. I think it's used
• 1:31:31
  by abuse of spouses. I think it's used as blackmail, corporations, all
• 1:31:38
  this kind of stuff, And it's the cancel culture of both sides is absolutely
• 1:31:42
  ruining our ability to have honest conversations and real relationships. And a lot of
• 1:31:45
  people think, they ask, why did Lauren do that marry article? Why
• 1:31:48
  would she talk about her marriage so publicly? She could have kept it private.
• 1:31:53
  That's private matter. Well this is the excuse. Yes, I actually
• 1:31:55
  thought so for a long time too. It was actually my husband. That's
• 1:32:00
  oh, let's go back a lead. I'll play it from here. It's
• 1:32:01
  actually my husband. That delight is not really selling this Lauren. Look at
• 1:32:08
  that face. Yeah, she looks like she's getting away with it. Well,
• 1:32:15
  let's let's see influencers both left wing and right wing saying Lauren's divorced.
• 1:32:21
  She's uh, she's this terrible person before I had even spoken about it publicly,
• 1:32:27
  So my hem was kind of forced. But you don't know that your
• 1:32:30
  husband did that. Jesus Christ, she looks she looks really thrilled by whatever
• 1:32:38
  she's saying right now, Like, no, look at her. I know
• 1:32:43
  someone facial expressions, but Jesus Christ, she looks like she won the lottery.
• 1:32:48
  You know, the these this when you say, like people just saying,
• 1:32:54
  look, Lauren's got divorced. That's not an attack like Count Akila was
• 1:32:59
  recently divorce. Did you know that? Allison Ye? And it's you know,
• 1:33:02
  it's sad. And he and he he got he put out a statement.
• 1:33:05
  He's like, yeah, it's true. You know, we're just like
• 1:33:09
  different people now. And and I was like, that's you know, that's
• 1:33:12
  too bad, man like, But people were talking about it, but they
• 1:33:16
  weren't attacking him. He didn't. I don't think. I don't think Dankulous
• 1:33:19
  thought of it as oh I'm being attacked because people are talking about it.
• 1:33:23
  It's like people are you know, you share, you put you make yourself
• 1:33:27
  into a public figure, okay, and people are gonna talk about you know
• 1:33:31
  what I mean. I don't know what the point is that she's saying that
• 1:33:34
  it was her husband that made everyone talk about their divorce, and she's saying
• 1:33:41
  that she found this list. I mean, how lets let's let's think about
• 1:33:46
  this. Maybe she did find a list, but maybe it was a list
• 1:33:51
  like of strings like she wanted to pull in terms of improving her image or
• 1:33:57
  something like. We we only have her work on all of this, and
• 1:34:00
  for somebody who was so threatening to her, he certainly has just disappeared,
• 1:34:04
  hasn't he mm hmm. But he he could be doing exposes on how Lauren
• 1:34:10
  Southern was a failed trad wife. But guess what he's not doing. Apparently
• 1:34:15
  he's not going about publicly on all of these places that hate her. Like
• 1:34:19
  you'd think that if this was his intent, he would have done it and
• 1:34:23
  we would have lauren husband's ex husband spills all about failed trad wife. Yeah
• 1:34:29
  right, yeah, where is yeah? Where are all the op eds?
• 1:34:32
  Where is the article? Yeah? Yeah? Like and you say that,
• 1:34:36
  oh, he had all this influence, he knew all of these people,
• 1:34:40
  he would he would be able to to do where is it? It's only
• 1:34:43
  you? Yeah, and you, and that the excuse is that she's getting
• 1:34:47
  ahead of it, right, That's what it seems like. That's what she
• 1:34:51
  did when she made her thrilled. Whatever it is she's doing. But I
• 1:34:57
  mean, I know this is just micro micro expression, you know, and
• 1:35:00
  that doesn't necessarily mean anything. Maybe she has gas, who knows, but
• 1:35:05
  she's definitely got the duping, the classic duping delight look on our face.
• 1:35:12
  Yeah. Now, maybe maybe it's a burrito coming back up. I don't
• 1:35:15
  know, but well, I okay, So can I just say we've been
• 1:35:21
  going for an hour and a half and I have to do an after show.
• 1:35:23
  I don't want to be up to one last thing. Just get the
• 1:35:27
  right wing capture, the audience capture one. It's a little bit before this,
• 1:35:30
  I believe. Before it, I feel I had to hide my divorce
• 1:35:34
  audience captures on the right. Yeah, audience, let's do audience capture on
• 1:35:38
  the right and then we'll call it all right, all right, I am
• 1:35:41
  also suffering. All right, I'm gonna un pause. Here we go.
• 1:35:46
  What's going on hand? I think there's a massive audience capture going on within
• 1:35:49
  the political sphere, both the right and left. It's interesting because the right
• 1:35:54
  wing I always liked them because they portrayed themselves as an alternative to the media
• 1:35:58
  who constantly had money, big money, interests, social acceptability, government pressure.
• 1:36:03
  We need something outside of that. That's not pressure to have certain opinions.
• 1:36:08
  But now make a noise, it's it's cutting to you. Oh sorry,
• 1:36:13
  sorry. A lot of right wing influencers or just influencers on the internet
• 1:36:18
  in general, they have no hope of getting a normal job. In some
• 1:36:23
  cases, particularly if you're on the very far fringes of the right, you
• 1:36:26
  couldn't even get a job at McDonald's. And that's I don't think society should
• 1:36:29
  be that way. I don't like cancel culture, you know, but that's
• 1:36:31
  the truth. And I do know people who operate in those spaces who actually
• 1:36:34
  don't agree with their audiences at all, but they are stuck. They are
• 1:36:39
  trapped because that is the only job they have to really. Okay, no,
• 1:36:44
  you're telling me they can't get a job at McDonalds or you nah,
• 1:36:47
  Yeah, I learn some skills, Yeah, I mean town become a carpenter
• 1:36:55
  or something. You know that ice press X to doubt. Yeah, but
• 1:37:00
  maybe she's right, but it just seems a little far fetched. Yeah.
• 1:37:06
  Victimized. Yes, the right is victimizing influencers. This is what I see.
• 1:37:12
  Okay, we have been operating under a false reality. Men oppress women
• 1:37:17
  for generations. It is now a critical mass of this kind of myssngry,
• 1:37:24
  and it is destroying people's relationships, and it's destroying men's perception that they're lovable.
• 1:37:30
  And what the red pill brows are selling men is the possibility of taking
• 1:37:34
  some kind of action to feel lovable, to feel worthy of love, all
• 1:37:40
  right. And the more that our society promotes the idea that men are unlovable,
• 1:37:45
  the more hungry men will be for the perception that they are lovable.
• 1:37:49
  And that's what the right pill, right, the red pill bros are doing
• 1:37:54
  it. It may tie to, oh, you have to take these actions,
• 1:37:58
  but at the end of the day, that's what the selling. You
• 1:38:00
  are lovable, right, You can be loved if you do this. And
• 1:38:05
  the more our society says to men that they're unlovable, the hungrier men become
• 1:38:11
  for some kind of content that makes them feel like they're capable of being loved.
• 1:38:16
  Right, And that's just the way it's gonna go. And we can
• 1:38:21
  talk about the trad life failing failing Lauren Southern as much as we want,
• 1:38:28
  and not about her choice to have a man who has mysterious frickin' uh strings
• 1:38:35
  he can pull with government to get her out of jail, you know.
• 1:38:40
  Yeah, and then and then at the end of the relationship, the thing
• 1:38:45
  that made her attracted to him, which was his covert secret power, you
• 1:38:50
  know, is the very thing that she says, Oh, it made me
• 1:38:53
  afraid. Oh Jesus Christ. And what is her opinion on immigration? And
• 1:38:59
  all of this has her opinion on immigration changed? Hmmm? Who knows?
• 1:39:04
  Because we're not talking about issues anymore. We're talking about somebody's love life,
• 1:39:11
  right We're talking about somebody's failures in their relationships, okay, And I think
• 1:39:15
  that just comes down to that this is a big what like what are we
• 1:39:23
  Yeah, it's a big what like what are we talking about issues? Are
• 1:39:27
  we talking about doing something like or giving men another option besides the red pill?
• 1:39:33
  Are we talking about challenging this pervasive anti male rhetoric? That's that's basically
• 1:39:40
  polluting the entire thing? Like are we are we? Are we talking turkey?
• 1:39:45
  Are we just talking jib? And it seems like we're talking jive?
• 1:39:48
  You know, we're just bullshitting right now? Yeah, I mean it's well,
• 1:39:55
  I mean I don't know what the goal is other than what like this
• 1:39:58
  is okay? So here's I'll just be my last word on this one of
• 1:40:03
  the things that and I know that, like I understand why this is the
• 1:40:06
  case. But what I am learning as I've been doing this for a while
• 1:40:12
  is that all I ever wanted when I got involved with this is to like
• 1:40:16
  like push for the conversation to take place. When I started doing this work
• 1:40:20
  or working with you guys at HBr, I didn't you know, I had
• 1:40:26
  to learn how to do all this production stuff on the fly. I was
• 1:40:29
  I drew cartoons like That's what I was doing when I started out. And
• 1:40:33
  but as I like learned about this more and more, I thought that this
• 1:40:36
  information was absolutely crucial for people to like get out there. And so my
• 1:40:42
  primary like what when I think I have scored a victory is when I see
• 1:40:46
  the things that we talk about here being talked about out in the world,
• 1:40:51
  either on the Internet in areas where you wouldn't expect it, or on like
• 1:40:56
  or on the streets, even which you know I have actually said since doing
• 1:41:00
  this for ten years, And I think that it's purely because I have remained
• 1:41:06
  on the grind along with others. I'm not taking full credit obviously to keep
• 1:41:12
  talking about this stuff, right and I've seen this come out. We've had
• 1:41:18
  Lauren Southern on our channel a couple of times. This is like we've had
• 1:41:23
  all these people on before they went on to be like much bigger shoe on
• 1:41:27
  head, Blair White, you know whatever, right, Stefan Maulin, you,
• 1:41:33
  Reverend jesse Lee Peterson, so many other people. Some of them were
• 1:41:39
  bigger than us when we saw them. Jordan Peterson, remember we talked to
• 1:41:43
  him once, right, So, and it doesn't matter what they went to
• 1:41:47
  do went on to do after that, because they got a little bit of
• 1:41:53
  something out of our conversation, and we got something from them most likely.
• 1:41:58
  And then they went and you know, whether constantly or not, they may
• 1:42:01
  have shared a piece of something that we have said. And I think that
• 1:42:05
  these things they're like they're like you throw a stone into a puddle and it
• 1:42:10
  creates ripples, and you hear the word people start using the word mys injury,
• 1:42:14
  people start talking about father's rights, people start talking about false allegations,
• 1:42:18
  the problem with me too, et cetera. And this just keeps expanding,
• 1:42:21
  expanding, expanding, And that is I think the way the information gets out
• 1:42:27
  and and sort of like stays, it becomes I don't know permeates, I
• 1:42:33
  guess into the discussion. Carl also, Saragon was a big fan of our
• 1:42:39
  channel when we used to talk to him, right, and now I think
• 1:42:44
  doctor ner Cam still talks to him. Doctor Yeah, we see. Yeah.
• 1:42:47
  No, I mean I'm not saying no. No. Of course,
• 1:42:49
  Mike still talks to Carl, and and you know, Carl has I think
• 1:42:55
  he still is fond of us and all that. But but my point is
• 1:42:59
  is that my whole goal was never about necessarily getting a lot of clout.
• 1:43:03
  I just wanted the conversation to take place. I wanted to get out there.
• 1:43:08
  And if at some point, like you know, we were able to
• 1:43:12
  have like some kind of like a little operation, you know, like what
• 1:43:15
  we have now, maybe a little bit bigger or something, I'd be totally
• 1:43:17
  content with that, because the point is to continue to have the discussion.
• 1:43:21
  So what I take issue with is what I'm seeing is with this kind of
• 1:43:29
  stuff, there are people that their involvement in this isn't about the discussion and
• 1:43:39
  the ultimate goals of said discussion, but it's about how they are personally impacted
• 1:43:45
  by what they are doing. So, you know, Lauren is talking about
• 1:43:50
  her experience, and she's trying to sort of throw the Manisphere under the bus,
• 1:43:57
  and there is like no moment where she steps back and says, wait
• 1:44:01
  a minute, is all of this what is this really about? Like what
• 1:44:04
  is it really about? You know? And it's like, is it about
• 1:44:09
  what happened? Like you know, what's going on with my personal relationship or
• 1:44:14
  what you know some of these like really popular or or louder voices in the
• 1:44:20
  red Pill space the manisphere of space. Is it is that really what I
• 1:44:24
  should be putting my attention or energy on. Because if all I'm doing is
• 1:44:28
  saying, look they're here's Sneak, Oh, here's Pression Fit, here's Andrew
• 1:44:31
  Tait, here's the whatever podcast. Look at how they're treating the women on
• 1:44:34
  here, then you you're you are contributing to the to the noise, and
• 1:44:42
  you're not saying, well, actually, maybe you should be talking to these
• 1:44:44
  people. Maybe you should be talking to you know. I mean, I'm
• 1:44:47
  not gonna say us, I'm saying like, maybe you should know who Janice
• 1:44:50
  Fiamngo is. Maybe you should know who Steve Brulay is or Paul Elam or
• 1:44:55
  Carrien or yeah, and us and Warren Ferrell and whoever, and then instead
• 1:45:00
  you're just saying, well, look, the man of Spirit is just as
• 1:45:01
  bad. And what that does is it kills the conversation that I'm trying that
• 1:45:06
  I think is important to have. And I don't care who actually is the
• 1:45:11
  one who says the words and finally gets the message out. I just care
• 1:45:14
  that it gets out. So my beef with Lauren Southern is that she knows
• 1:45:20
  who we are. This is just like the shoe on Head thing, although
• 1:45:25
  shoon Head did eventually go back around this, but it's almost like they can't
• 1:45:28
  see past the people that they observe at their level of influence, right,
• 1:45:32
  So it's like I only see these fresh and fit guys because they also have
• 1:45:36
  millions of subs or and they get obsessed with this, But they get obsessed
• 1:45:40
  with Pearl, Like I don't like what she's saying, so I'm gonna talk
• 1:45:43
  about her, But it's like, why does Pearl exist? What are her
• 1:45:46
  talking points? Well? Her talking points are our talking points, and we've
• 1:45:49
  been doing this for a lot longer. So maybe like you have to maybe
• 1:45:55
  yeah, maybe you don't like her, But what I'm saying is you have
• 1:45:57
  to, like, maybe you have to. What I would suggest is that
• 1:46:01
  if you think that these issues are important, then maybe the issue should take
• 1:46:08
  center stage and not the people. Yeah. Well, war, I was
• 1:46:11
  saying, like, just are we We're just talking about somebody's failed relationship and
• 1:46:15
  the fact that they want to off load blame onto something other than you know,
• 1:46:19
  not having not being aware that having suspicious ties to government is suspicious.
• 1:46:29
  Yeah. And then also the very thing that she I think the big takeaway
• 1:46:32
  is the very thing that she was attracted to their husband ended up being the
• 1:46:36
  thing that she said she was afraid of. The very power that she enjoyed
• 1:46:43
  when he was using it for her became the thing that she said she was
• 1:46:45
  afraid of. And I don't know, like I haven't heard his side.
• 1:46:50
  Did he actually say this? Did he actually have this list? Was it
• 1:46:55
  a list intended to keep her in line? Or was it a list of
• 1:46:58
  people he intended to try to in fluence away from harming her? Who knows?
• 1:47:01
  We don't have Yeah, like we don't have out of the story.
• 1:47:06
  But so this is just like a the she said part of it. He
• 1:47:09
  said, She said, where are the issues? Like you were saying,
• 1:47:13
  where are the talking points? Where are the values, where are the principles?
• 1:47:17
  Where's the actual discussion nowhere in this it's and I just wanted to say,
• 1:47:25
  Okay, So what we're dealing with is, again we are dealing with
• 1:47:29
  a false narrative about reality that men oppress women, and what we talk about
• 1:47:33
  here is the counter argument to that reality. So what's happening in the relationship
• 1:47:41
  is basically what's happened is that this narrative, which was originally you know,
• 1:47:45
  academic institutional had some other stuff that it was doing, but is now it
• 1:47:49
  has leaked like nuclear like like a nuclear meltdown, It has leaked out of
• 1:47:55
  the reactor into the surrounding area and has fatally poisoned everyone in terms of their
• 1:48:00
  relationships. And the only way, like the red pill bros can say you
• 1:48:06
  you do the the hell diver code for men, you know, could you
• 1:48:12
  say it again? The if you're up right down down down for you and
• 1:48:20
  and suddenly women will love you. But the problem is that we have this
• 1:48:26
  narrative that that essentially is teaching women that men are unlovable, and not just
• 1:48:31
  that if you love them, you're you're you're you're being conned somehow out of
• 1:48:36
  resources, which is the big thing that women hate, because that's the thing
• 1:48:40
  that women fight over. This is this is the thing about women. They're
• 1:48:45
  big thing they fight over is resources. So when you say to a woman,
• 1:48:49
  oh, if you engage in this behavior, you're losing resources, you're
• 1:48:54
  being cheated, that strikes right to the heart of who she thinks she is.
• 1:49:00
  Right, you know you deserve this, You're not getting it. So
• 1:49:02
  when people say that loving men means being cheated to women, that is so
• 1:49:10
  destructive. And until you get rid of these narratives, women will actively choose
• 1:49:16
  not to be with men, and there is nothing red pilled bros can do
• 1:49:19
  about it. The problem is that there is not enough women convinced that relationships
• 1:49:26
  with men are good and important and will make them happy and they're a worthy
• 1:49:31
  aim to pursue and they're losing nothing by being in one. So there's just
• 1:49:36
  not enough women out there seeking relationships with men. And the only way to
• 1:49:42
  change that is to challenge the narrative that relationships with men harm women or they're
• 1:49:46
  not getting something out of it. So the only way to do it is
• 1:49:50
  to get rid of the idea that men oppress women, or that men cheat
• 1:49:55
  women, or that men are somehow getting something that women aren't getting out of
• 1:49:59
  a relationship. That's all bullshit. So the only way to change this is
• 1:50:03
  to challenge the thing that's killing it. The only way to change and increase
• 1:50:09
  the number of women available to men is to get rid of these toxic narratives.
• 1:50:14
  And we are the ones. We are the ones who have the tools
• 1:50:18
  to do it. To deconstruct those toxic narratives. You can deconstruct the toxic
• 1:50:24
  narrative about men women being unhappy in marriage, deconstruct the toxic narratives around domestic
• 1:50:29
  violence and sexual assault, deconstruct the toxic narratives around false accusations around oppression.
• 1:50:35
  Historically, all of that, we deconstruct it. It comes here to die,
• 1:50:41
  right, and that is what's causing the lack of women interested in men.
• 1:50:48
  All right, So I got some super chats and then I think we
• 1:50:51
  can and superchilds that we can wrap it up. So Zarax gave us five
• 1:50:56
  dollars, Thank you, Zarax and says her side is the only side,
• 1:51:00
  bigot Michael Knowles, Yeah, he's a total simp. Uh. Then Zarax
• 1:51:03
  gives us five dollars again and says, did michaela Peterson also say her first
• 1:51:08
  husband made her feel fear. Should we start connecting dots? There is something
• 1:51:13
  about that was resputing, so you know. Yeah, and then we got
• 1:51:18
  a super chow from Richard Vierre for five bucks. I should have read his
• 1:51:23
  first but that was my bad. And he says if her husband was truly
• 1:51:26
  a threat, one would think that Lauren would have been given the Jimmy hoff
• 1:51:29
  A treatment. I don't know what you're talking about. Uh, okay,
• 1:51:32
  that's all of the super chats and super chows. So yeah, longer than
• 1:51:39
  we were, Yeah, a little bit. I'll just make them after show
• 1:51:42
  a little shorter. It's okay, okay, all right, So I had
• 1:51:46
  a nice long rant. I think I'm good. So if you want to
• 1:51:49
  send a message at anytime after the show is over, feed the Badger dot
• 1:51:54
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  the Badger dot com slash support. I'll see if I have any thank you
• 1:52:00
  to give. Did you get all of the that's it. I'm ready for
• 1:52:05
  your Did we get some additional stuff from Zarynx? I read all of Zarynx's
• 1:52:12
  things. Okay, he sent he sent three super chats. Unless there's some
• 1:52:15
  last minute ads. Okay, nope, nope, we got all right.
• 1:52:18
  So I want to do a big thank you to Richard for actually purchasing the
• 1:52:26
  first poster. I think it's it. I I okay, this is how
• 1:52:30
  it works. We are in the process of printing silk screening. Uh print.
• 1:52:36
  These are actual prints, so this is not like a printer with a
• 1:52:39
  dot matrix. No, it's these are actual like analog prints. We have
• 1:52:45
  finished doing the black and white. Barring anything crazy, we should be able
• 1:52:53
  to do like a spot color, which is like two colors, so black
• 1:52:56
  and white and maybe a red, and then after that we're going to go
• 1:52:59
  for the four color. So these are all prints. It's all like a
• 1:53:01
  classic artistic medium of the original NFTs. And uh, I didn't want to
• 1:53:09
  over over like promise, so for now I'm just gonna promise that we're gonna
• 1:53:14
  be able to do the black and white princes. Thank yous. And Richard
• 1:53:18
  Beer has already purchased like the first he put in one thousand dollars, and
• 1:53:25
  thank you. They're not they're not they're not put at one thousand dollars.
• 1:53:30
  He just put in one thousand dollars. Uh. And he wants to get
• 1:53:34
  like a bunch of them anyway. And then also Michael, sorry, the
• 1:53:41
  Great Indoors has put through his sponsorship for this this particular episode and the topic
• 1:53:47
  for five hundred dollars to thank you, Great Indoors. Thank you, Richard.
• 1:53:50
  Richard. Richard also put in an additional five hundred bucks for a previous
• 1:53:57
  sponsorship. So I just started the fundraiser and we're already at let me see,
• 1:54:08
  sorry, guys, we're already at two thousand. So thank you everyone
• 1:54:14
  for well, wow, awesome Richard and Great Indoors. That's great. And
• 1:54:18
  hopefully if you would like to have a poster, they you don't have to
• 1:54:21
  put in a thousand to get a poster. They are at two hundred and
• 1:54:25
  fifty right now. I'm hoping to be able to drop that down to one
• 1:54:29
  hundred, but I got fit. We gotta. It's a process, guys,
• 1:54:31
  so just bear with it. But if you would like a poster,
• 1:54:34
  designs will change every month. Our current design is called Defending History and it
• 1:54:39
  features features Hannah in a locked, drag out fight with the feminist, the
• 1:54:46
  feminist snake going through history and changing it all to something that it isn't to
• 1:54:54
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• 1:54:57
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• 1:55:00
  put something in the hat for us and get a poster. All right,
• 1:55:03
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• 1:55:06
  just changing. Lots of things are moving and I don't know exactly how to
• 1:55:10
  describe them because it's a little complicated. That's okay, but I'm trying my
• 1:55:13
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