Latest / For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast / #283 - For Azeroth!: “Whingefury”

Transcript

#283 - For Azeroth!: “Whingefury” · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

0:00
So this is like Blizzard said, hey, here's what we want to do.
0:04
And you're like, yeah, that sounds great.
0:05
And then they showed you some of it and it was good.
0:07
And then it turns out once they let them move in, you found out
0:13
who they really were. For calendar to the burning
0:19
region for Gilnius has not done for the Lich King for the
0:26
Cindora. For the alliance.
0:32
For the whore for Azeroth. Hello and welcome back to
0:37
another episode of For Azeroth. I am one of your hosts, Manny
0:42
AKA Detroit. Manny and I am joined by Sean.
0:47
Sean, how are you doing today and how is the World of Warcraft
0:50
treating you? I'm doing great.
0:51
Manny Warcraft is treating me lovely.
0:53
It's a beautiful game. I've had a lot of fun with it
0:55
this weekend. In this exact moment, I'm not
0:58
doing so hot. My dog just farted and it smells
1:02
like she ate another dog's farts.
1:04
It's. I don't know what.
1:05
It's just a really bad smell. This is what I imagined the
1:11
front of the Wrath gate smelled like after Putrecide bombed it.
1:16
It's intense. Yeah, I made.
1:18
A Blake. OK.
1:19
Yeah, I need the Dragon flights to come and clear up my office.
1:26
OK. All right.
1:27
Well, we call for aid. I'm sorry.
1:32
I'm sorry you're living through that.
1:34
Maybe I was aware of it and started to show anyways.
1:36
But we, we move forward. We move forward honestly.
1:42
I know this week you've been away.
1:44
You've been camping and everything.
1:45
I'm glad to have you back. Lex is away today.
1:50
She is dealing with with some things, but she'll be back next
1:55
week. This was actually a fairly slow
1:59
week, not just for us but also for the World of Warcraft.
2:03
So this will be probably a shorter show, but I also want to
2:06
take the opportunity to kind of go a little bit more in depth
2:09
with stuff since we've we're not sharing the mic as much.
2:14
Yeah, I'm down for it. It was a quiet week.
2:16
It was like the four hours are off vacation week because you
2:19
took the week off. I was away camping for the week
2:21
or for four days and Alexa's been off for the week and then
2:24
Blizzard was like, hey, the For Azeroth gang isn't around, let's
2:28
pump the brakes on this news. That was nice of them.
2:30
They even stopped the shaman changes they were going to give
2:32
us, so that was cool too. Oh, we'll, we'll get to the
2:37
shaman changes that may have been work that they kind of half
2:43
did and then ran out the door before anybody noticed.
2:47
But we we we noticed. They checked the BFA dubs and
2:50
said hey can we copy your homework?
2:54
Oh no. Oh no.
2:57
Sorry, shamans. Yeah, well, I mean, it's it's
3:00
good for some shamans. We'll be good for some shamans.
3:03
Yeah, I mean, we're gonna talk about rest of shamans are
3:05
looking juicy. Everybody's gonna be wet this
3:08
season. I will.
3:12
We will see. We will see.
3:13
And I think we're the great, great combo to play it because I
3:17
play elemental, I play enhancement.
3:21
Have not played Resto in a while.
3:22
But you've been playing Resto earlier this this expansion.
3:27
So you've got some recent time with Resto as well.
3:31
That said, before we get into that, we have some late breaking
3:36
news just prior prior to the show going live this evening we
3:45
had chime is it chimes the developer come to the forums and
3:51
deliver some news about what kind of stuff where you can
3:55
expect for pre season and in season one with open world
4:00
content. And this was about the caches
4:03
that we get from, you know, in Dragon Flight.
4:06
That was the stuff that we got from the trial of elements or
4:09
the trial of the flood in the War within for the initial pre
4:18
patch and season one. We're going to have six
4:21
different events going, which is a lot, which is a lot and I
4:27
think. That's on par with what we had
4:29
at the start of Dragon Flight, isn't it?
4:31
We had soup. We had the siege of Dragon Bank
4:35
Keep, we had the hunts. Is that it?
4:39
Do we only have 3? No, no, we also had the two
4:43
trials, trial of elements, trial of flood.
4:45
Yeah. So that should make it 5.
4:47
So this is 6. Yeah, Yeah, I guess that that's,
4:51
that's fairly close. So you know, what it is, is that
4:53
I've been used to season three, season 2 where it's just the
4:56
same one event over and over again.
4:58
Maybe spread those out a bit guys.
5:00
I don't know. We'll see.
5:03
We'll see. But we got six events, including
5:06
one that people are saying is really good a play, but we're
5:09
not going to talk about exactly what's going on with those
5:13
events. We're going to be talking about
5:14
the rewards that you get from those events, because this was
5:18
something that happened at the beginning of Dragon Flight.
5:20
People would be doing these events on farm.
5:24
They would be chasing after whatever the trial of the Flood
5:28
would come up or whenever the trial of the elements would come
5:30
up. They would be going out to
5:32
Dragon Bane Keep to do that thing.
5:35
And like we were saying a little bit before the show, this was
5:39
something that we enjoyed. But as soon as season one
5:43
started, they sort of fell off. Now they've made some changes.
5:48
So the way that this works is that of the six, the 1st 2:00
5:55
that you complete will drop loot guaranteed, a random piece of
6:00
loot that's good for the character that you earned it on.
6:05
For a war band piece. Right separate from war band
6:10
piece. This is specifically to a loot
6:12
that's good for that that character war band pieces they
6:14
didn't talk about in this. Oh, I thought war band pieces
6:17
could drop in any content, maybe I'm wrong.
6:20
It could, but it could be like something extra on top, but this
6:22
is specific. But this is like when they say
6:24
the two pieces of loot. This is like not war band
6:27
pieces. This is as we would see today,
6:30
pieces that are good for you, that are all of your correct
6:33
armor type and for your specialization.
6:36
OK, cool. So then the first two drop that
6:41
in the pre season, it's going to be adventurer gear, which is the
6:46
lowest rung of the ladder. You've got, of course,
6:49
adventure, veteran champion hero and then myth track in season
6:56
one that's going to be upgraded so that the first two pieces
6:59
instead of giving adventure are going to give you veteran gear.
7:04
And then also they said that the first four cache of the of the
7:09
six will give you a hundred of these key fragments which you
7:15
can combine to make your keys that you'll need for your delves
7:19
in order to get those extra rewards from the delves.
7:24
Now, the, the philosophy that they gave behind this is that
7:29
they basically just want to empower players to sort of do
7:32
what they want to do, not necessarily what they feel they
7:34
have to do. And they gave a bit of a blog
7:38
about that, but I just want to give the gist of that now.
7:43
What's your opinion on like basically this?
7:49
Positive. Positive change I think I am all
7:52
for. And I actually I made a tweet
7:54
this week that I regret making. I think I stand by the the idea
8:02
behind why I made the tweet, but I regret making it because I saw
8:05
1A rebuttal not to my tweet directly, but to some other
8:09
tweets about the same topic. And the rebuttal made me think,
8:13
you know what, I'm not coming at this from the right mentality,
8:17
but I think this is, I don't know why any of that came up.
8:20
This is a positive change. I am all for people being able
8:25
to engage with the game in the way that is best for them and
8:31
not requiring you to do content you don't enjoy is awesome.
8:37
You need to do four of these to maximize your week.
8:41
So if there's only three that you like, well, maybe there's
8:43
one you're not getting done or one you're doing that you don't
8:46
enjoy to maximize. But yeah, I'm all for it.
8:49
I think it's a good change. I think it's good that it's
8:52
dropping veteran gear pre season so that it's not like a
8:56
requirement that everybody has to do this stuff, although it's
9:00
a lot of fun and in pre season, really what else is there to do?
9:04
Yeah. And then I I like that once
9:06
season one starts, it gives outdoor world players an
9:10
opportunity to get that adventurer gear to help them set
9:12
themselves up for success. Yeah, big change, very positive
9:15
change. Yeah, so sorry, it's slight
9:19
correction. You said veteran pre season when
9:22
it's actually adventure pre season.
9:23
I mean, the most like, yeah, yeah, most like just slip of
9:26
tongue. Flip those.
9:27
Yeah. Yeah, I think the part that I
9:30
like best about this is that you get the four pieces that the
9:36
four fragments of 100 fragments each that let you get your delve
9:40
gear. That to me will keep these
9:44
things relevant long after the direct gear that you get from
9:49
them becomes irrelevant. Like for for me who pushes
9:52
through heroic gets into into mythic, mythic once once I hit
9:57
mythic, I am pretty much sure I'm not going to care about
10:00
delves per SE because they only go to the hero track.
10:04
But up until that point, I'm going to definitely want to get
10:09
through the delves. And that means I'm going to want
10:11
to do the events for a lot longer than I did in Dragonfly.
10:15
And I like that for people that don't touch the mythic level,
10:20
these are going to be relevant all the way through.
10:23
In fact, it might become a replacement for Mythic Plus for
10:26
people who really don't want to do Mythic Plus.
10:29
And I think that's again, empowering people like I love
10:34
Mythic Plus. So I'm like, Mythic Plus is
10:36
going to be the thing you mean. Delves will be a replacement.
10:40
Delves can be a replacement to sort of.
10:43
Got you getting your key fragments from the Outdoor World
10:46
contents? Yeah, OK.
10:48
Cool. I'm with you.
10:48
I'm with you all. Right.
10:52
The the one thing that I sorry, the one thing that I didn't
10:56
mention that I should mention is that the keys and the sort of
11:01
key fragments and the gear that you get is is calculated when
11:06
you are rewarded the chest, not when you open the chest.
11:09
And I think that is a very intelligent change for people
11:15
who are looking at this and being like, yeah, no, that like
11:18
that doesn't seem to make any difference.
11:20
Yes, it does. It is the thing that like caused
11:24
people in Legion to stockpile a bunch of chess and then open
11:28
them each each patch to get the legendary.
11:32
Same thing with this where you would say, OK, I'm going to do 6
11:35
this week and then the week before the the season one
11:43
begins. I only opened two of them and
11:46
then in season one I opened the other four to get my veteran
11:50
instead of the the adventurer, right.
11:54
So like little mini games where the unintuitive way becomes the
11:57
best way gets shut down by that change.
12:00
Yeah, that's a good call. Does that say that in this
12:01
build? I don't even ever seen that.
12:03
It is the. It is, yeah.
12:04
The contents of the cash to determine when you get the cash
12:07
awarded to you now when you open it.
12:09
Yeah. So I, I generally think that
12:14
this is a pretty good, a good idea and it helps people at all
12:17
levels, Yeah. Yeah, I'm all for it.
12:19
They mentioned how it's philosophically slightly
12:22
different from Dragonfly, where Dragonfly would be asked to do
12:25
specific quests that you had to do to get those items.
12:28
And they're saying like, hey, we want people to do the content
12:30
that they enjoy. I'm all for Blizzard trying to
12:34
make the game better for everyone, so this is a great
12:37
great change. Really happy with it.
12:39
Yeah, I do think that the one sad part about it, and this is
12:42
something that we talked about before the show as well, is that
12:46
that first week or so before the season begins, when everybody is
12:52
just swarming like locusts, you had said from like event to
12:56
event and the world just feels so alive.
12:59
This kind of lessons that because there are people who are
13:03
going to say those two are the ones that I hate and maybe the
13:09
community as a whole says forget those two and then they'll just
13:13
become dead. Like there's a reason to do
13:15
them. This is definitely going to be
13:18
something that I feel like the Min Max ideology is going to
13:23
degrade some of it, but that just means everybody's going to
13:28
be concentrated in the other four.
13:29
So like, hey, soup's on for all of those people who loved soup.
13:33
Yeah. The only thing I would like to
13:35
see different with the world events in the War Within, I
13:40
would like the timer rotations to be shorter.
13:45
Soup was like on a 2 1/2 hour rotation.
13:48
This dragon being keep was on an hour and a half rotation.
13:51
I think hunts words just cyclical.
13:55
They just kept going whatever. So that was great.
13:58
I think the hunts is the best way to do it.
14:00
But if you're set events at set locations, I think 30 minutes,
14:04
especially because Dragon Bank heap it, it was on an hour and a
14:08
half. Pressure was an hour and a half
14:09
rotation. If it wasn't an hour and a half,
14:10
it was an hour. But I think I'm almost positive
14:13
it was 90 minutes. But because there were so many
14:15
people swarming to do it, it would start and then it will be
14:18
done 7 minutes later. And then there's just like this
14:22
huge gap where you're waiting. And if you're, it doesn't affect
14:25
me. I'm I'm what's the phrase
14:28
terminally online? So I'm going to do them.
14:32
I'm going to wake up and do them first thing in the morning and
14:34
I'm going to do them on all alts.
14:35
It's not going to matter. I'm going to hit them as they
14:36
come up. But there are people who are
14:38
going to come home from work and they're going to log in and
14:40
they're going to have to choose. Do I go to this event or that
14:44
event and I might miss the next one because I don't have time
14:48
for it. Especially if there's six
14:49
different ones. A faster rotation I think would
14:52
be good. Put them all up every 30
14:54
minutes, I mean. Because the system you only have
14:59
to do four of them and it doesn't matter which ones you
15:02
do. I think you could actually go
15:03
the opposite way where as long as some of them are.
15:06
Do ones they don't like, right? Yeah.
15:10
So if you're saying you only have to do 2, well, these are
15:12
the two that are up while you're here.
15:13
It sucks if you don't like them. Those are your ones.
15:16
But if you have like if you have let's say three of them up at a
15:21
time, 'cause there's no way you're going to complete four of
15:24
them before the next the next three, That's right, three of
15:28
them before the next three show up, maybe that's good enough.
15:31
I. Don't know.
15:32
I, I don't know just if it was, if it was me, I would want all
15:36
six of them on a 30 minute rotation so I could get all six
15:43
of them done in an hour and a half if I wanted to.
15:48
Otherwise, you're like looking at a full day event, right?
15:52
If they're, because if, if they're all up, if they're
15:55
staggered every hour and a half and eat, you know this one comes
16:00
up for then the next one starts 30 minutes later.
16:02
The next one starts 30 minutes later.
16:04
Then you definitely run into situations where players are
16:06
going to have to do ones they don't want to do or ones that
16:09
aren't as fun when they want to do other ones because of their
16:12
time restrictions. In play time.
16:14
I definitely think more frequent is better, but like I said, that
16:18
doesn't affect me. Maybe that doesn't affect people
16:20
out there in in real world normies.
16:22
So I don't know. Maybe he does.
16:25
He'd let us know. Normies sound off in the chat.
16:28
Yeah, let us know That affects you.
16:30
I guess if you're listening to a Warcraft podcast, you're
16:32
probably not a normie either, so.
16:34
I mean, there, there's definitely, there's definitely
16:36
levels of players who listen to, to the podcast.
16:39
I, I, I would say that being conscious of people's play time,
16:45
because there will be people who are only able to play like for
16:50
set periods and not, and not every day, each week and so
16:55
forth. So yeah, being careful about
16:57
that to allow for it, but also making sure that there isn't one
17:00
that is objectively or just like so greatly worse than the others
17:05
that it becomes the one that everybody's avoiding.
17:09
Right. Yeah, we don't.
17:10
Need to fall in line. With the a week one season one
17:12
soup we need something better. No offence soup soup fans, but
17:17
that first week was rough. I don't know, I, I like soup was
17:21
just, it was an event. The entire Guild would because
17:25
it was rare, like one person, the Guild would sound off and we
17:28
would just bring everybody there and we'd be like summoning
17:31
stones to get it, get people ready.
17:33
It was, it was a thing. I love, I love my Guild for
17:35
that. But yeah, I I hope that this
17:38
goes well. I hope that the events are a lot
17:41
of fun. And like you said, I hope that
17:43
we can all get get to them. Yeah.
17:47
All right. Moving on from that, though,
17:49
moving. On.
17:49
Well, before we move on, Manny, I would like to give a special
17:52
thanks to our patrons, if that's OK with you.
17:54
Is that OK with you? That's OK with me.
17:57
You're good with it. OK, I see that you put it here
17:58
in the show notes. So I assumed, and this is the
18:00
exact spot you put it. You said, Sean, don't make a big
18:03
deal about this. Just read the line.
18:04
And I hope what I'm doing now isn't making a big deal, but I'm
18:07
going to read the line now. I want to give a special thanks
18:10
to our Patrons for Azeroth will always be free, but if you enjoy
18:14
the content we produce, please consider pledging to our Patreon
18:17
at patreon.com/faz. You get everything early, I
18:21
think. I don't know if you actually do
18:23
Manny runs this, but you get stuff early and there's some fun
18:26
behind the scenes stuff I hope. If not, Manny, we need to put
18:30
some fun behind the scenes stuff.
18:32
Anything else chat. You want me to tell Manny that
18:34
we have in the Patreon? The mayor will not be there yet.
18:40
Manny's house on the main. That will never be a thing,
18:46
yeah. One dinner date with Sean there.
18:49
We go. You're gonna, you're gonna come
18:52
to me. He's.
18:55
Not a date. Either.
18:56
Yeah. OK.
18:58
All right. That's it.
19:00
Oh, it says Sean. Don't make wild promises.
19:02
We don't. OK.
19:04
All right. All right, well, on moving off
19:09
of that, the next thing you go with Epidivi free cookies.
19:12
Free cookies. At shop using the Patreon one
19:15
for a patron. You join our Patreon.
19:17
You give us your address. I'll mail you some cookies.
19:19
You're welcome. They're Maple cookies.
19:20
They're not homemade. That's not This is for legal
19:24
reasons. That's a joke.
19:25
That is a joke, that. Is a joke.
19:29
Oh, OK, moving on, let's talk about something near and dear to
19:35
my heart. Yeah, this is the shaman changes
19:39
because we not. Yeah, we'll.
19:43
Pass this over to you. Go ahead.
19:44
We're using this up last week. As everybody knows, Manny's a
19:48
Shaman Maine. A lot of my friends are Shaman
19:50
Maine's. I have a lot of shaman people in
19:52
my circle. Last week we knew Blizzard Kimo.
19:55
They said, hey, listen, we hear you.
19:57
We know we understand your problems.
19:59
You've got countless forum posts.
20:00
We've read them. We have been in the kitchen
20:03
cooking. We've been busy.
20:04
We came on this show and we did a little hype train.
20:06
We did a little hype fast. We huffed some copium and Manny
20:10
got down with it and he was like, we're going to get some of
20:12
these positive changes that I'm happy about now.
20:14
Manny, I was away, I was camping when these changes came out, so
20:16
I haven't actually had a chance to read them.
20:19
All I know is a lot of my shaman friends looking at different
20:24
tunes. How was the rework?
20:28
OK, so I want to say that there are two things, two parts to
20:35
this. There is what they said and what
20:40
happened and those need to be separated.
20:45
In terms of what they said, I think they hit the nail on the
20:49
head. They were doing, they were
20:50
cooking, they were straight up cooking here.
20:54
They mentioned about how Resto Shaman cooldowns have fallen
20:59
behind and that they wanted to give more oomph to stuff.
21:02
They mentioned about the diversity and the struggles that
21:08
Elemental was having and how they were going to address that.
21:12
They mentioned how Enhancement is in a pretty good spot, so
21:16
they just want to be light about it.
21:18
They don't want to mess with it too much.
21:20
And. On all of those points, I agree.
21:24
They even talked about, hey, they're going to throw in a full
21:29
on, not a party wide but raid wide buff.
21:37
And so now instead of having Winfury totem that is just for
21:42
enhancement shaman that is just in the party, we now have a raid
21:46
wide buff sky fury that does everything.
21:51
Winfury did that extra attack chance, but also gives an extra
21:56
2% mastery. Now 2% mastery doesn't feel feel
22:00
like that much, but it's on top of the win for race, which in my
22:05
opinion, and I think in a lot of people's opinion, was enough of
22:08
a reason to bring an enhancement shaman for your melee group.
22:11
And so now you can bring any shaman and it doesn't even have
22:14
to be in the group and it's giving mastery to everybody in
22:18
the raid, which is great for some, not so good for others.
22:22
But but your melee, all of your melee, regardless of what group
22:26
they're in, gets the the wind fury buff.
22:29
So really good. Tanks.
22:31
Including your tanks, and some tanks get so much benefit
22:34
because of the resources from the extra attack that's.
22:37
Not yeah it's not an insignificant amount current so
22:41
obviously this is changing more within but current tuning.
22:43
If I play arms I get about 9800 DPS wind fury group.
22:49
If I'm prod, I get 10.2 K if I get more damage gain as a prat
22:56
warrior than I do as an arms warrior from a wind fury totem.
22:59
And now I'm. And obviously in Prague you're
23:01
almost never going to put your your tanks in there.
23:03
You're going to have mainly DPS that are getting a better
23:05
benefit from it usually. But now it doesn't matter.
23:08
We're getting it. That's huge.
23:09
Yeah, and hey, healers getting a mastery buff for those healers
23:16
that care about their mastery. I think Resto Druid would love
23:19
that in in five man content. Not so much in raids, but
23:22
whatever. It's so good there are.
23:24
Some melee that are going to be like right now Rep paladin gains
23:28
no benefit from wind fury, but they're going to be happy with
23:31
the mastery buff. So it's and I don't imagine
23:34
they're going to change them not getting benefit from wind fury
23:37
long as they're running crusader strikes, but they get something
23:41
from the buff. And if they end up if crusaders
23:43
strikes for whatever reason ends up not being the play, now
23:46
they're double dipping. They're getting that that
23:48
mastery and wind fury. It's it's a good change.
23:50
If that could have been the only change.
23:52
And I think a lot of people would have been happy if they
23:54
had just come home and said, Hey, wind fury is no sky fury.
23:56
Everybody does this. And I think some people would
23:58
have still been really sad, But I think a lot of people would
24:01
have been like, all right, cool, I can play Elemental now instead
24:04
of being forced to play enhance because I hate enhance and I
24:06
love elemental. Yeah, but they didn't stop
24:10
there. They did not stop there.
24:12
That was not it. It's not.
24:14
The only node. They made a lot of changes to
24:20
the class tree that opened it wide, wide open.
24:28
So we've got a bunch of the nodes that got reduced to one
24:34
point nodes instead of two point nodes.
24:36
We had a lot of relatively bad talents that were removed and
24:44
replaced with good talents. Sean, let me tell you the number
24:50
one complaint of shaman has been hey, we don't have enough
24:55
defensives. We got a new defensive in the
24:58
class tree arms up yes, this is this is glorious.
25:02
This is glorious. It's a win and.
25:05
Win jury's rated wide, you get a new defensive.
25:07
We can stop there. You stop there and it's positive
25:11
change. But we didn't stop there because
25:16
there's more. It's a totem, which means that
25:21
shamans can reset its cooldown. So whereas before it'd be like,
25:24
oh, here's a 2 minute cooldown. Is it a 2 minute cooldown?
25:28
Two-minute cooldown base. Nice.
25:32
You can slightly reduce it to like a 1.9 minute cooldown.
25:35
That's meh. That's OK.
25:37
It's under the three minute mark for was it totemic recall?
25:40
Is that what it? Is or Totemic recall so you can
25:42
reset it and get it right back. It's the tuning numbers,
25:46
whatever. It's like a 15% Dr. plus like an
25:49
additional additional refreshing shield, right.
25:54
But in terms of the dungeon, the dungeon and ray damage, which a
25:57
lot of it seems kind of rot damage and like consistent
26:01
damage coming out, it's really effective that way.
26:04
And so great to have this new defensive, but it's not the only
26:09
defensive. We got two other defensives, but
26:14
these ones are a lot less universally applied and a more
26:21
finicky one is that healing spring totem or cloudburst
26:28
totem. When they heal you, you get ADR
26:32
on any fire, frost, or nature damage that you take.
26:36
OK. OK, so it's it's it's narrow
26:40
because it's particular schools, but on a cloudburst totem that
26:45
can heal an entire rate for a certain amount on those
26:49
particular fights, you add an additional Dr. on top of that.
26:55
That's amazing. Does everybody who's been healed
26:58
by it get the Dr. Yes. Oh.
27:01
So for for a a typical healing tide, no healing tide, but
27:08
healing spring totem, right? It's going to like randomly heal
27:12
some people and they'll get a bit of a bit of Dr. but that
27:14
might help in the damage that they're taking afterwards.
27:17
It's good Cloudburst, it's fantastic.
27:20
It makes cloudburst almost an additional cooldown in that way
27:23
when it's applicable. So I think that that that's a
27:27
win. And I know the other one is APVP
27:31
talent that just got switched in.
27:34
It's basically that when you interrupt a particular spell,
27:38
you be you get a damage reduction on that spell school
27:43
from all damage you take from that same spell school.
27:46
But in Mythic Plus, when you're dealing with a bunch of packs
27:50
and you interrupt one and the rest of them would go off,
27:53
you're still getting ADR on that.
27:55
Yeah, you're gonna need it cause the mobs in these dungeons cast
27:58
a ton. They they're basically chain
28:02
casting. They're like machine gun
28:04
casters. It's a little insane.
28:07
So good for you shamans. You're gonna get some use out of
28:11
that one. We are, Yeah, Like it.
28:13
It's a weird one where it wouldn't work in I think it
28:17
wouldn't work as well in the Dragonflight's way, but it works
28:22
well in the War Within. And because the the buff can
28:27
stack and last 18 seconds, you can actually have a six second
28:31
overlap if you interrupt something at the 12 second mark
28:33
when your when your wind shear comes off cool down.
28:37
Doesn't stack like Ironford. The first one drops off at its
28:40
own time. Yes.
28:42
Well, that's good, yeah. You can't constantly just keep
28:44
refreshing the duration, but it'll.
28:45
No, that's good. Those good, especially with with
28:47
the short kick you have. And like I said, these mobs are
28:50
they're AB ABC mobs, they're always be casting.
28:54
So that's a huge one. Yeah, I love it.
28:58
This is great. I'm I'm talking about all the
29:01
winds. I want to make sure that I'm
29:02
talking about the winds. Spirit link totem got an
29:06
additional damage reduction added to it to its not just that
29:12
good. Not just that, but it actually
29:14
has the sprout, the the sprouting springs Azerite power
29:21
from BFA, which is about a second after it goes goes off,
29:25
it actually heals. And that's very important
29:28
because the first second it redistributes the life and then
29:32
it heals everybody. So it's solid raid cooldown with
29:37
that and it's an option. So you so in times when that
29:39
wouldn't make any difference, you can just put the talent
29:42
point somewhere else. Yeah, I know.
29:44
My resto shaman friends are my healer friends.
29:46
I have like friends that are like class agnostic healers.
29:50
They're pretty excited about the shaman changes for resto Shaman
29:53
and as a semi casual resto shaman healer, like the plus ten
29:58
key range to heroic rating. I'm looking forward to it.
30:03
I think it'll be nice. I don't really dabble with any
30:05
of the healers. I think that's gonna be good.
30:06
Manny, I don't understand these changes.
30:08
This sounds like shamans across the board should be celebrating,
30:12
but I'll see that. Well, OK, there's more, there's
30:16
more good stuff. But like let's let's go to the
30:20
other side of the coin, because the other side of the coin was
30:23
with the implementation and. So this is like Blizzard said,
30:30
Hey, here's what we want to do. And you're like, yeah, that
30:32
sounds great. And then they showed you some of
30:34
it and it was good. And then it turns out they once
30:39
they let them move in, you found out who they really were It.
30:45
Got it the way that I want to. Maybe this is copium.
30:50
Not all of it's copium. The problem is that they put out
30:55
this build and unfortunately this build is a job half done
31:04
and it has absolutely screwed up some things and damaged other
31:11
parts. So elemental got a bunch of new
31:14
cooldowns. Well, not cooldowns, but a bunch
31:17
of new talents that are really great things that make elemental
31:21
actually have more to do with its element.
31:24
Elementals Really awesome. They got a third elemental now,
31:28
which is really cool. So we've got fire elemental,
31:32
we've got Rocky our earth elemental, and now we've got a
31:36
sorry. And of course we had the storm
31:38
elemental, which you could switch between fire elemental.
31:40
But now we've got a Thunder elemental and you can have a
31:45
Thunder, fire and earth elemental or the storm elemental
31:51
set of fire elemental all up the same time doing crazy stuff.
31:54
You are like quasi warlockish with your army of elementals
32:00
here because once the elements die they replace themselves with
32:03
lesser elementals that will keep fighting in their stead for a
32:06
little bit. It's cool, except half the stuff
32:10
doesn't work. There was supposed to be the
32:14
ability to keep your elementals going for a little bit longer.
32:17
Doesn't work. There is the lesser elementals
32:19
that I talked about. Doesn't work.
32:21
There is a number of hooks that just aren't there yet.
32:24
But like on paper it looks great.
32:26
And I think elementals when they're, they look at that they
32:29
get and when I'm looking at the issues that they're having, it's
32:33
all stuff that they're working towards.
32:35
And I think it's going to be good.
32:36
But like right now whatever you're seeing on elemental
32:41
performance is severely less than what they will be doing.
32:46
And unfortunately we had RAID testing this week.
32:49
And so elementals may have felt a little bit sad about how they
32:55
were doing because it just wasn't what they're supposed to
32:58
be doing. It was broke.
32:59
OK, OK. But they were not the real
33:03
victims. No, overall and I, I do, I do
33:06
want to say that overall, I mean, obviously I'm being a
33:08
little bit facetious with my leading of the questions here.
33:10
It's for entertainment value folks.
33:11
This is the podcast. So overall I have heard mostly
33:17
like very positive from the rest of Shaman side of things.
33:21
A lot of my friends very, very excited with rest of Shaman, the
33:23
way it looks and mostly positive things about elemental.
33:26
It's really I I guess it's just what we're about to talk about,
33:29
which is Manny's Maine and his true love enhancement shaman
33:33
that they wanted to approach with a light touch.
33:37
Yeah. And I, like I said, they the
33:42
stuff that they wrote was good enhancement at the beginning of
33:46
Dragon Flight. And in fact, through Dragon
33:48
Flight has been in a really solid position.
33:52
So it seems very hard for them to screw it up.
33:58
But unfortunately, as it stands right now, they have.
34:05
And when they went in to address things, they really forgot the
34:11
Lube this time. And so I'm just like I'm in a
34:17
position where I know that they know what the issues are because
34:21
they have been reported and I know that they addressed the
34:30
problem areas, but I don't know what they did when they went in
34:35
there. But man, it hurts.
34:41
So to go to go through just things over overly when they did
34:47
the adjustments to the when they did the adjustments to the class
34:52
tree, they changed pathing. They gave a bunch of new new
34:59
utilities and stuff. But then they moved things into
35:03
positions where it helps your casters, but it hurts the melee
35:10
spec. An example is the Spirit
35:15
Walker's Grace, which you know. This is a wonderful ability that
35:19
lets you cast while while moving.
35:21
It doesn't disrupt your cast. Yeah, we love this.
35:24
Love it. Enhancement Shaman has no use
35:28
for it. Yeah, very little value there,
35:30
very little value for enhancement.
35:31
Shaman for enhancement shaman it amounts to a 20% Sprint if you
35:37
talent into that which we wouldn't care about.
35:42
You can't say anything. Is there anything at all you
35:44
cast? No, that it's entire point of
35:48
Maelstrom weapon is to make our cast instant every cast instant.
35:54
Well, I guess you could use it if you had to, like healing tide
35:57
yourself. Or healing wave yourself.
36:00
Healing wave? Well, here's the issue with
36:02
that. Or healing surge.
36:05
But here's the issue with a hard cast.
36:07
The Healing Surge Enhancement spell Spell power is far lower
36:17
than the spell power of Resto and Elemental because you're
36:21
supposed to use your Maelstrom weapon stacks.
36:25
Because you're a fucking male. No, no.
36:26
Because you're supposed to use your maelstrom weapon stacks to
36:29
increase the power. So when we have stacks of
36:34
maelstrom it increases the damage and or healing by 20% per
36:38
stack. So if you do a zero stack,
36:43
you're doing 1/5 of the heel you should be doing.
36:46
Right. So why would I teach?
36:48
Walker's grace Manny there. Problem solved.
36:50
Look I fixed. It for you?
36:51
Yeah, that's great, except that it passed directly into, oh, the
36:57
ability that we do want. Oh no.
36:59
Which is ancestral guidance. No, they wouldn't do that.
37:03
Yes, and it's the only way it's ancestral guidance.
37:06
But they can just flip those, right?
37:10
You would hope, but that's not what it is right now.
37:13
Yeah, there is also have to believe that that will get
37:16
flipped. But then they would also need to
37:20
move the talent that comes off of Spirit Walker's grace, which
37:24
modifies Spirit Walker's grace, so they'd have to move that as
37:27
well. Yeah.
37:30
OK. Yeah, you might be thinking, OK,
37:35
well that's a little thing they could switch around then you
37:37
would look at. Well, Hans, shamans don't need
37:40
ancestral guidance because you're not going to raids
37:43
anymore because we're bringing a restless shaman for wind fury,
37:46
so. The trolling, I'm gonna just
37:49
move past that. Let's talk.
37:51
Let's talk about the fact that, hey, we just talked about that
37:57
interrupt where like, hey, if you do an interrupt and you have
38:03
the Dr., that's great. So where would you expect that
38:07
modification of wind shear to be?
38:10
Right off a wind shear. Yeah, or at least, you know,
38:13
remotely near it, right? Yeah.
38:15
I mean I would expect it to be like almost right off of wind
38:18
shear. Yeah, yeah, except that you
38:20
would need to spend no less than five talent nodes to get across
38:25
the tree to get to seasoned wind from wind shear.
38:30
It doesn't. It's not in the path from other
38:32
things you would normally take. It not related and you would be
38:38
able to build that way, but if you're going down one sided tree
38:42
to get your wind shear and the other side of the tree to get
38:45
the thing that augments wind shear, you're spending a lot of
38:49
points you. Want to do.
38:51
My question is, ignoring the wind shear modification, are you
38:56
building down that side of the tree anyway?
39:00
Yes, but not for the reasons you think, which is, hey, good, good
39:04
talents, great here and good talents here.
39:07
But because the tree requires you to build so wide that you
39:12
are all over the place anyways, which means you're not getting
39:15
to your capstones, which Shaman didn't care about before,
39:20
because Shaman capstone sort. But that defensive totem that I
39:24
talked about, yeah, that's a capstone.
39:27
No. Right, the ability to recall is
39:32
a. Recall a capstone?
39:33
Yeah. Is a capstone, and if you happen
39:37
to want the ancestral guidance, that is one shy of a capstone.
39:46
Ancestral guidance is that far down.
39:48
It is. Did they increase it to?
39:50
Because it's not even that strong of a heel.
39:52
It got nerfed 'cause it is that strong of a heel in terms of
39:56
burst healing. But the nerfed version of it
39:58
isn't as good as it was pre nerf.
40:00
It's like Nature's Valley also got nerf the druid 1.
40:06
Yeah, so unfortunately. Hold on, before we get angry
40:10
comments, I know what's called Nature's Vigil.
40:12
I like to say Nature's Valley because it reminds me of the
40:14
granola bars here in Canada. Please don't send us angry hate
40:19
mail. I realized the name of the
40:21
ability. You know those are on sale at
40:24
the grocery. Store.
40:25
Yeah, they are at Costco too. Costco sells like giant boxes of
40:28
32 of them. They're amazing.
40:30
Anyway, I'm. Not going to go into shrink
40:32
flation, but yeah, yeah. Anyways, so yeah, the the tree
40:38
just has a lot of issues where you're going all over the place.
40:42
Now that capsules are actually valuable.
40:45
The problem of us being so wide on talents is worse for us
40:49
because it because our capsules actually mean something.
40:53
We already had the issue of piano keys where it's like, oh,
40:59
in order to play this spec I need 3040 key binds.
41:03
They remove some choice notes and split them apart.
41:08
But taking both requires double the amount of key binds, so we
41:15
can now Thunder Shock on somebody else, which was APVP
41:20
talent before, but that now it's coming to the tree.
41:23
I think it's amazing for Elemento and Resto.
41:26
They don't need to go into melee to do the Thunder Shock.
41:30
They could just Thunder Shock the tank and knock everything
41:33
into the air without getting into melee.
41:36
It's a beautiful thing going back to the side.
41:38
Nice at focus macro or at player 1 macro?
41:42
Yep, Lightning Lasso can now be taken independently of that.
41:48
And Lightning Lasso is a fantastic stun stun where it
41:53
just incapacitates a a enemy while you're candling, dealing
41:58
damage and it doesn't break under damage, but you're you're
42:03
whoever's casting it is unable to do any other moves.
42:06
Really bad if your entire building builder spender
42:10
requires you to melee and you're now shut down while you're
42:13
channeling. And yeah, they're big because
42:19
we're talking about shamans not being defensive.
42:22
And one of our defensives have has been Nature's Guardian,
42:28
where when we dip below a certain percentage of health, we
42:31
immediately heal up to a certain percentage of health.
42:35
Except that that is now locked behind a bunch of talents that
42:40
are incredibly narrow in use. Something like Tremor Totem,
42:45
where it's like, when it's good, it's good.
42:47
When it's not, why are you taking it?
42:50
Right. And so the the tree is just in a
42:55
worse place where we've got goodies, but they're now jumbled
42:58
up and weird. OK, OK, but they can change that
43:05
and and we've seen trying to have a like I said, I have a lot
43:09
of shaman friends I'm going to try and talk them off a ledge
43:11
here. We have seen Blizzard put out a
43:16
build mythic plus, for example, and have it come back with like
43:21
big negative emotions from the community.
43:25
And then in a two week span, turn that around and say, OK, we
43:28
hear you, we'll make some adjustments.
43:30
We'll fix this. If the tree is as poorly
43:35
designed as it as as everybody has told me that it is not just
43:40
Manny, this is not a Manny only complaint.
43:45
Surely it's something that they're going to look at and
43:47
address. Has there been any sort of like
43:49
feedback from the shaman dev? Who is the shaman dev Do you
43:53
guys know? Well, one I wanted to spell that
43:57
there is no shaman dev there. Like the the way that, yeah.
44:01
And the way that the like the do they work on it is that people
44:05
come together, they bounce off the ideas and they they put it
44:08
together. So which might be part of the
44:10
reason that you don't see every class get updates at once.
44:13
It's their their mind is on something else.
44:15
And those people go to other groups and work together on
44:20
that. Shaman just seems to be one of
44:22
the last ones getting hit right now.
44:23
But it's very scary because we are so close to the pre release
44:28
and we're running out of time. Yeah, PTR became a release
44:32
candidate a day. Yep, and to the and to the
44:39
credit of them listening to feedback, one of the changes
44:42
that they made was to cut Elemental Blast at the knees.
44:48
25% nerf that came with this. One of the few alpha enhancement
44:53
cages. That's a very powerful spell.
44:54
I'm glad they got that. That is tearing things up right
44:57
now in Season 4. I need a new Co host.
45:01
Please send your. Applications.
45:03
I'm setting you up for these. This is a great set up.
45:06
This reason's good, child. Here's why it's doing so well.
45:09
This was brilliant. That was not casting gold.
45:12
That's not. I will not be slandered, Sir.
45:16
Because it's not even season four that it's doing so well.
45:19
It's like it's it's doing well in testing, ray testing and
45:26
mythic plus testing in the War Within, but it's not because of
45:32
the spell itself, it's because of our four piece.
45:35
Our four piece is allowing us to stack how many wolves and
45:39
instead of having maybe three or so wolves up at a single time,
45:46
we have people having 8 to 12 wolves up the single time.
45:51
And for every wolf you are increasing the damage of that
45:54
spell by 20%, so a difference of 5/2.
45:59
Cap Wolves. Cap wolves or maybe reduce the
46:05
that tear set bonus or change that tear set bonus, right.
46:09
But yeah, like the the difference between 3:00 and 8:00
46:15
or or higher is five 100% damage, right?
46:22
That's why it's out. It's performing so, so well.
46:25
Well on the on the PTR patch, they've removed that nerve 25%
46:30
damage right back, right back into the spell because it wasn't
46:34
that bad. And it was the, it was the four
46:39
set bonus that was that was causing the issue.
46:44
Now back. Yeah, welcome back.
46:49
Now the last thing that's that's an issue is of course like
46:55
obviously they gave us the win Winfrey totem not there.
47:00
People were not taking Winfrey totem in Mythic Plus because it
47:04
wasn't worth the point. I don't care if I was running
47:06
with like a full melee group, which wasn't the case.
47:10
It wasn't worth the point. Now we've lost that.
47:15
So we got we got that point to put towards other stuff.
47:18
Except they took flurry from the from the class tree and put it
47:21
into the spec tree. Little little behind the scenes.
47:28
Flurry was bugged for most of Dragonflight.
47:34
It it it speed up the amount of attacks that we would get for
47:38
the next three. Sorry, the speed of the attacks
47:40
for the next three attacks, but would conversely weaken those
47:43
three attacks. So it was wasn't really actually
47:46
worth it. They fixed it, but now they put
47:49
it in the in the Spectre where it's not worth it still.
47:58
So it's just it's it's baffling. It just feels like everything
48:05
that was good also came with something that was bad.
48:09
And then there's just been more bad than good to the point where
48:14
shamans this week or in a or enhancement shamans this week
48:18
are in a worse position in terms of point economy, build
48:23
diversity, the ability to actually, the ability to
48:27
actually do damage versus where we were before this.
48:31
And of course it's beta. This stuff happens all the time.
48:35
But for it to be a systemic issue in the actual talents and
48:41
abilities and not just a numbers thing is just baffling.
48:48
And that's the last one that I want to say is stuff that like,
48:50
hey, they really need to adjust. But John, the fact that this
48:54
build went out, they disabled Winfrey Totem but forgot to
49:00
change Totemic from its dependency on Wind Fury totem.
49:04
So Totemic is just disabled for all intents and purposes on in
49:09
the War Within Beta is mind boggling to me.
49:12
Which is why I derisively say it was a holiday weekend, they were
49:19
getting out the door and some people forgot to cross some TS
49:23
on this. You think I, I don't think
49:27
there's any question, but you think we're going to see some,
49:30
some addressing of this in this week's build?
49:33
Oh yeah, for. Sure.
49:35
OK, so we're going to hold off. We're not full doomer.
49:37
I know it. It seems grim folks, but the
49:41
dawn of the 5th day, look to the east and you will see.
49:46
You'll see somebody ride in with some shaman changes that are
49:49
great. I'm going to say Kyvax.
49:51
I know he's not the shaman person, but that's he seems like
49:54
the good news bear so. I feel like they need to share
49:57
it, you know, Kyvax delivers some good news.
50:00
Links. He delivers some good news.
50:03
Just spread it around. Kyvax doesn't always need to be
50:06
riding. In Kyvax brought us the Mythic
50:08
Plus changes, so he's forever on my Christmas card list.
50:11
He's getting cookies, OK, I think.
50:15
That. Yeah, I do wanna say cuz you
50:18
know, we've been on. I said the good stuff to begin
50:20
with, said the bad stuff here. But I do wanna say all of the
50:24
changes that they that I had asked for last episode where
50:28
you're like, hey, if they could change one one thing, what or
50:31
three things, what would I like them to change?
50:33
I think that in what they were addressing, they pretty much
50:37
addressed all of those. And so they are aware of the
50:40
shaman issues. It's just that this first
50:43
implementation, and I don't even want to call it a first
50:45
implementation. This first half of their
50:48
implementation didn't hit the mark.
50:51
And so I'm my expectation is that they will come back in
50:56
after holiday long weekend. They're going to fix this all up
51:00
and we're going to go into the war within with a much better
51:04
position. I love it, I feel good about it.
51:08
I'm hopeful, I'm excited. There's probably patching up to
51:10
it right now as we're recording this, so maybe we've already
51:13
missed, You know, everybody who's listening to this show on
51:15
Tuesday is saying like, hey, they fixed all this stuff
51:18
already. They already changed it.
51:19
You 2 goobers, that's OK, is OK. I'm positive, Manny.
51:26
Overall, I think WAR thing's going to be a great expansion.
51:29
I have a lot of hope. A lot of the classes right now,
51:32
most of the classes right now are in a decent spot and
51:36
Blizzard has been doing an excellent job of listening to
51:38
feedback and addressing it as quickly as they can and letting
51:42
us know they're going to address it.
51:44
So rest with shamans and celebrate elemental shamans,
51:49
like semi celebrate. I guess anybody who was an
51:52
elemental shaman that was forced into enhance over the last three
51:55
tiers, you can celebrate because now you don't have to swing.
51:57
You can play elemental and enhancement shamans look to the
52:01
West. Hi baby, I believe, I believe
52:05
just hold hold the line Helms deep must not fall.
52:08
And for anybody who was looking at Totemic, it'll be back.
52:13
It's been absent. Per week, yeah, they had to
52:16
bring that. Back Oh, you know what the
52:17
problem is that they didn't address anything on the hero
52:20
talent level and totemic is a problem.
52:23
So even when they bring it back, I'm hoping they bring.
52:25
It back exchanges fix it. It's not a problem.
52:29
Problems. Do you log into beta right now
52:30
and tell me what problems you have with those hammock?
52:33
It doesn't work. It literally doesn't.
52:35
Work problems, I fixed it. I just caught that fly.
52:38
Do you see me catch that fly midair?
52:40
Anyway, make sure it's a clip. Yeah, I will.
52:45
I will. Manny, we got a question.
52:47
We got a viewer question in the Discord.
52:49
If you're not in the For Azeroth discord, you should join it.
52:52
We hang out in there, we do a little shit posting, we gab, we
52:57
talk it up. It's a great spot, but come on
52:58
over, it's bit dot LY. Do you have to believe both the
53:01
word shit? I mean you.
53:03
Can leave that in. You can leave it in.
53:05
I've I've been following how many squares you do in episode
53:08
and I leave three. You have hit your limit now.
53:11
Right three. So no.
53:11
More. No more.
53:13
Don't make me work. Deal.
53:14
I got it. I know I got you.
53:15
I got you. Boo Boo.
53:16
Don't worry. Come on over.
53:19
Bit dot LY slash faz Discord, it's a good spot.
53:23
We're getting a lot of good feedback, a lot of back and
53:24
forth from the episodes. It's nice 'cause this should be
53:26
a discussion with the community and not just between the three
53:29
of us. But we got a question from
53:31
Goblin Graphics, a long time questioner, and he says, so they
53:36
say with the customization of mount systems started in
53:39
Dragonfly and expanded in The War Within, should you be able
53:43
to find dragon customizations in new expansions or should those
53:47
stay just in Dragonfly content? Manny, I don't really care.
53:53
I don't love a lot of the dragon mounts that we have to ride.
53:57
And once I can fly my armored snowy Griffin again, that'll be
54:02
the mount I'm on. So what do you think?
54:07
Do you think we should be able to find Dragon Flight
54:08
customizations in or Dragon riding customizations in other
54:12
content other than Dragon Flight?
54:14
Honestly, I think that it was such a thematic thing for the
54:18
expansion that I would want them to sort of move on.
54:22
In general. I am a avid mount collector.
54:26
I, I have over 900 mounts. I really love going through
54:30
that. I don't really care about
54:32
customizations because they're not another notch in that mount
54:38
collection. And so it's, it's a subclass and
54:41
they put out so many all at once that for me it just felt like
54:44
just too many to, to go for. So I, I sort of dropped them.
54:49
I was just like, no, if I chase after that, it's, it's gonna be
54:52
too much. And I also had a sort of
54:55
subquest this expansion to see if I could go the expansion
55:01
without doing any required dragon riding.
55:05
So I never did any of the dragon riding events that were in North
55:09
Rend, Callumdor, all of those, never did any of them, didn't do
55:13
any dragon racing world quests up until season four when the
55:21
Kiven tyven mount required that you did them.
55:25
Then I'm like, OK, you know what?
55:25
Let me see and try that. And I felt, and I did it because
55:29
I wanted to see if Blizzard was serious about, hey, we want
55:33
things to be optional. And for the most part, dragon
55:36
dragon riding, which seems like such a tent pole of this
55:40
expansion, was optional. There was one dungeon that was
55:45
this season and in season one that required a bit of dragon
55:49
riding to get around. No coup defensive.
55:53
You just use the term a bit very loosely there.
55:55
No, because you could actually ride.
55:59
With a friend, a key, you couldn't.
56:01
Oh, you ride with a friend? No, sorry.
56:03
Yeah, right. I was thinking because there's
56:04
flight paths. There's actual flight paths.
56:05
Each of the boss. Owns.
56:06
Oh God, no, no, not if you want to tie the key.
56:08
You're Yeah, yeah, but I mean, like you could ride with a with
56:11
a friend, which I felt was a nice concession.
56:14
The other, the other one that was mandatory, which you
56:16
couldn't ride with a friend was actually the last, the
56:20
penultimate boss in Americasil, which which required you to to
56:26
drag and ride from platform to platform if you wanted to to get
56:31
through Sage, Swift or yeah. Yeah, and real Sage Swift.
56:35
Yeah, yeah, she did have to have all of the Dragonflying Griffs
56:41
lifts to do that fight on Mythic successfully, but other than
56:44
that, it was yeah. I wasn't a huge fan.
56:47
I'm not a big fan of Zoomer flight.
56:49
I definitely prefer Boomer Flight so I can't wait to get
56:53
through my quests in Donegal and the rest of the War Within so I
56:58
can go back to doing it. OK, I mean, I did it as a little
57:03
experiment for myself, but I enjoy the now what's called sky
57:07
riding. So I'm I'm glad to be going into
57:11
expansion where I'm going to sky be doing sky riding from the
57:14
top. But yeah, so like the
57:18
customizations, I think the dragon riding customizations
57:21
should stay in dragon flight, especially as we get further
57:25
into other expansions and maybe Dragonfight doesn't become the
57:33
the one that people go to at the beginning, in which case you
57:35
don't have the base set of the Dragons to get the
57:39
customizations for. So I'd want them to to be
57:42
whatever's relevant for that, for that.
57:45
So in the War Within, we have the flying machine that you get
57:49
through delves and that's the thing that gets customized.
57:52
And I like that that's limited to a the Pacific activity, but I
57:59
think that there's going to need to go further.
58:01
We have a bunch of different holidays that offer manuscripts
58:06
for customizations. Those need to be changed over as
58:10
we get into into the next expansion.
58:13
I don't want to be earning something for last expansions
58:17
thing in this expansion or three expansions from now and that
58:21
sort of thing, which I guess Blizzard kind of just set
58:24
themselves up for a yearly refresh and I like that as well.
58:28
So keep it something current, but refresh it of every
58:32
expansion and then put the old stuff on the vendor so people
58:36
can get that if they want. Yeah, VAM, big Fender fan.
58:39
Let's vendor everything. I.
58:41
Know it's a separate topic and I know I don't mean that.
58:49
I just think that in terms of customization, though, they need
58:53
to keep it limited. I think it should be a small set
58:57
of mounts that have customization that you chase
58:59
after. Because if it is every mount
59:03
that has has customizations that you then have to go chase after.
59:07
It gets to the point where it's kind of like what's happened
59:10
with achievements, where achievements used to be
59:12
something that people roughly did to be like, Oh yeah, let me
59:16
chase some achievements. We can, I can get relatively get
59:19
most of, if not all of the achievements if I try at it.
59:23
And now there's so many achievements and they come out
59:25
so quickly that it's just lost and none of them have any value
59:29
to me. And I don't want that to happen
59:30
for these customization mounts. Yeah.
59:34
That's fair. That's a fair statement.
59:36
Thanks for the question, Goblin graphics.
59:37
If anybody else has any questions, go ahead and ask us
59:40
in the discord. Happy to answer them on stream
59:42
or in the discord. Sometimes we get we get wild.
59:44
We keep things loose in there, Manny.
59:46
I think that's it. I think we did it.
59:47
I think we're show done. Yeah, yeah, it was a short show
59:51
today. We didn't have Lex, but it was
59:54
also short on news. If you guys again have any
59:57
topics you want want us to talk about, let us know.
1:00:00
But until next time guys, may all your hits be crits.