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Episode #258: Lyme Disease & Alpha-Gal: The Hidden Cause & How to Heal · Beyond Labels Premium

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  SPEAKER_02: Risk of you getting Lyme is actually very low.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's documented as being between one and three percent.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we have over the years, we have purposely created these corridors, these forestal corridors that are, you know, anywhere from 100 to 150 yards wide.
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  SPEAKER_02: Unlike Lyme disease, they're saying Alpha Gal can actually happen immediately when the tick bites you.
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  SPEAKER_02: The other common early signs are.
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  SPEAKER_02: Hi everybody, welcome to another episode of Beyond Labels.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm Dr.
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  SPEAKER_02: Steena McCullough, and I'm here with our favorite farmer, Joel Salatin.
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  SPEAKER_02: And today is going to be a little bit of a lively but controversial topic.
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  SPEAKER_02: Today is all about ticks and Lyme disease and Alpha Gal.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, Joel, I don't know about you at your farm, but where I'm at, man, I walk my dogs, and I'm telling you, we come back in and I've got sometimes five ticks that I'm pulling off one of my dogs.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_02: It's like this summer, the ticks are winning.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're everywhere.
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  SPEAKER_02: Emergency rooms across the country are seeing historic record-breaking surges and tick bites.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're saying the ticks are biting about 31 million or more Americans annually.
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  SPEAKER_02: Lyme disease, Alpha Gauss syndrome, they're on the rise.
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  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, if you listen to mainstream media and medicine, they're saying you get those from ticks, and we're going to debate that.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_02: Meanwhile, Lyme disease is such an issue now that Kennedy announced a new initiative to reduce Lyme disease cases by 25% by the year 2035.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's also a federal push for a new Lyme vaccine.
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  SPEAKER_02: And we're going to talk today as well about scientists at MIT trying to use a genetically engineered mouse to stop Lyme disease in humans.
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  SPEAKER_02: So let's jump in.
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  SPEAKER_00: So right off the top, Cena, you uh help me to you say 31 million Americans.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now they're not all going are getting bit annually.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're so 31 million are getting bit now.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're not all going to the emergency room.
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  SPEAKER_02: No, no, no.
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  SPEAKER_02: But emergency rooms have seen a big increase in the amount of people going to emergency rooms for tick bites, is I think there's a lot of fear that's been drum up.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um and there's just more how bad, how bad would a tick bite have to be to go to an emergency room?
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_00: Are you kidding me?
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_02: Well, uh, it's probably because if they're seeing like a bullseye, for example, um, and you know, and and this is one thing to start with off the top of the bat uh of the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um getting and we're gonna talk about terrain theory versus germ theory in just a little bit, okay?
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm what I'm right now telling you is more of the statistics uh that you're gonna see in mainstream and even in some holistic practices.
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  SPEAKER_02: So the overall, if a tick bites you, the risk of you getting Lyme is actually very low.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's it's documented as being between one and three percent.
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  SPEAKER_02: And of course, with Lyme, the they're saying that the longer the tick is on you, the greater the chance that you're actually going to get Lyme.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because uh so let's start from this basic concept.
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  SPEAKER_02: The mainstream narrative is that there's a bacterium in in uh ticks that cause Lyme.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's called borelia uh borgorphy.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that that tick lives in, I'm sorry, that bacteria lives in the ticks' mid gut, and it takes a little bit of time for that bacteria to migrate into the salivary glands and then inject it into your body once the tick bites you.
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  SPEAKER_02: So they're saying that the longer the tick's on you, the the greater the odds are that you will develop Lyme disease.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh so the transmission rate increases from about 1 to 3% if you recognize the tick right away, to about 10 to 50 percent if the tick has been feeding on you for 48 to 72 hours and appears engorged.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now, Alpha Gal, which we're also gonna talk about here, alpha gal is also um identified as a tick bite-induced allergy.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna debate that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, it's an allergy to red meat and mammalian products, and it is primarily transmitted by Lone Star Tick.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're saying that about one in four adults or 25% of people in tick heavy regions actually develop the alpha gal antibodies.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: And we're gonna, this is gonna all make sense in just a minute.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because just because you have the antibodies doesn't mean you're actually gonna develop the allergy.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_02: But unlike Lyme disease, they're saying Alpha Gal can actually happen immediately when the tick bites you, because the alpha gal sugar is present naturally in the tick's saliva.
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  SPEAKER_02: So as soon as it bites you, it can transfer it, you know, into your body, and you could develop Alpha Gow syndrome.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, in case anyone is unaware, Alpha Gauss syndrome is um identified as an allergy to red meat and mammalian products, um, including dairy in some cases.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay, there's a lot of myths and a lot of things we still don't know, and some things we do know.
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  SPEAKER_02: Let's start with Lyme.
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  SPEAKER_02: Kennedy was on multiple news stations talking about how Lyme disease or Lyme results from a bacteria called borelia, and that borelia is most likely a result of gain of function research.
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  SPEAKER_02: So there's a lot of people talking about this right now, a lot of angry people saying that he's spreading misinformation again.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then there's even a lot of people who want to believe Kennedy, but they're asking, where's the proof?
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh, and I'm one of those people.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm to I'm trying to do a deep dive.
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  SPEAKER_02: I've been looking into this um actually for several weeks, even before he came out uh with this announcement.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I was trying to figure out what is the possible origin of Lyme disease.
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  SPEAKER_02: And we have a lot to share with you today about what I have discovered.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now, I will say off the bat, at this point, there's no smoking gun.
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  SPEAKER_02: We don't know if uh borelia was engineered through gain of function.
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  SPEAKER_02: We do know it's been around for a long time, that bacteria's been around for a very long time, but we don't know if the government has done any genetic modification with it through gain of function research.
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  SPEAKER_02: We do know that they have weaponized ticks, and we'll get more into that in a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_02: But we will keep you updated.
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  SPEAKER_02: The government accountability office has now been legally tasked with investigating that very claim.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_02: And so hopefully, shortly, we're gonna learn from the Government Accountability Office if they were able to get their hands on some, you know, classified or hidden government documents that we don't have access to.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, I will say that last December, uh, so Kennedy has been covering Lyme disease for quite some time now.
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  SPEAKER_02: Last December, December 2025, he actually convened a Lyme disease uh, you know, summit uh where he invited several people to come and speak about Lyme disease.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh, and they're trying to make progress on this very difficult disease that plagues many people in our country.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's estimated to affect at least 35 million Americans.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's across every state.
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  SPEAKER_02: Lyme disease itself accounts for about 82% of all tick-borne uh diseases uh nationally, although there are an estimated 20 different pathogens inside a tick that can be transmitted when a tick bites you and that has have been shown to cause human disease.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, many physicians don't recognize symptoms of Lyme disease, and so they don't test for it.
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  SPEAKER_02: So the thought is many more people have Lyme or suffer from a co-infection from a tick bite than what's even estimated.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's Lyme disease is called the invisible illness.
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  SPEAKER_02: And in large part, that's because our medical establishment is antiquated.
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  SPEAKER_02: We don't know how to properly test for the presence of Lyme or co-infections, and they certainly don't know how to properly treat it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Kennedy himself had Lyme disease.
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  SPEAKER_02: That was around the eight, around 1986.
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  SPEAKER_02: He suffered from Lyme disease.
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  SPEAKER_02: He got the bullseye rash, which is actually not as common as you think.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh, but he did have early antibiotic treatment, and he said he hasn't suffered from Lyme or any of the coinfection or potential consequences since.
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  SPEAKER_02: The same year that he contracted Lyme, so did one of his children.
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  SPEAKER_02: His son did.
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  SPEAKER_02: His son actually ended up with Bell's palsy or you know, facial paralysis.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, another son also got Lyme disease.
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  SPEAKER_02: His persisted.
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  SPEAKER_02: He went to the male clinic and he was told to see a psychiatrist.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is not uncommon.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the reason why is because number one, doctors, like I said, have a hard time identifying uh Lyme because they don't know the symptoms.
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  SPEAKER_02: So the most common symptoms for Lyme are the bullseye rash that people think, but again, that's not even the bullseye rash doesn't even appear in half the cases.
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  SPEAKER_02: It appears in less than half of the cases of people with Lyme.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the the other common early signs are flu-like symptoms like fever, chills, fatigue, headache, aching muscles or joints.
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  SPEAKER_02: And those can appear with anywhere between like three to 30 days usually after a tick bite.
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  SPEAKER_02: Swollen lymph nodes might be another one.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, but the thing is, those are the most common symptoms.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_02: There are a whole slew of symptoms, at least 150 symptoms that are associated with Lyme disease, that often go um overlooked by um our Western medical doctors and even some naturopathic doctors.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, for example, Lyme can be misdiagnosed because it might present as brain fog or memory lapse, or also psychiatric changes.
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  SPEAKER_02: So maybe there's a sudden onset of severe anxiety or depression or irritability or OCD-like behaviors.
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  SPEAKER_02: You might have a panic attack.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, in addition to some of these neurological conditions like lupus and MS, um, autism has also been linked with Lyme.
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  SPEAKER_02: There is Lyme-related autism.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's 650 at least peer-reviewed articles on psychiatric manifestations of Lyme disease, some with cognitive impairment, some with dementia, and um at least 20 articles on autism with um infections related to autism.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're called Lyme-related autism.
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  SPEAKER_02: Another um often misdiagnosed side effect uh or consequence of Lyme is non-restorative sleep.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you might sleep for many hours and you might wake up feeling just very exhausted.
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  SPEAKER_02: You might have difficulty planning things or multitasking, difficulty finding words, like you may be stuttering over your words.
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  SPEAKER_02: You might feel detached from yourself or from your surroundings, which we call dissociation.
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  SPEAKER_02: In children, they might have some regression, like loss of ability to write or read, or loss of math skills.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, in addition to joint pain and muscle pain, you might feel pain in your chest that might mimic cardiac or lung conditions, or have jaw or dental pain, or plant or foot pain.
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  SPEAKER_02: So a stabbing or a burning pain on the bottom of your foot that's often worse than the morning time.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh, deep bone pain, deep aching, stiff neck, stiff back, these are all uh signs that you could have been exposed to Lyme or coinfections.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh, there's also um different autonomic and um systemic signs like temperature intolerance, so unexplained sweats chills, or unexplained um heat intolerance, what's called air hunger, which is where you feel like you um you can't take a full breath, um, like you just can't get enough oxygen in.
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  SPEAKER_02: You might have salt cravings or sudden exhaustions.
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  SPEAKER_02: You might have um intolerance, like a hypersensitivity.
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  SPEAKER_02: So intolerance or sensitivity to light, sound, or touch.
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  SPEAKER_02: Another one is nerve issues, so tingling or numbness, um, often in the extremities.
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  SPEAKER_02: You might have uh feeling like this crawling sensation, like there's something crawling on your skin.
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  SPEAKER_02: You might get dizzy or um car sickness or have balance problems or problems with your vision, blurred vision, or maybe even like you're seeing like shimmering lights, um tinnis or issues with the ear, uh ringing in the ear, feeling like ear fullness or fluctuation in hearing could also be symptoms.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and of course, GI upset, abdominal pain, nausea, constipation, diarrhea.
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  SPEAKER_02: So there's a lot of overlap in symptoms.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is one reason why Lyme is often called the great imitator.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because as I've gone through these lists of symptoms, you're you might be thinking, oh, well, you could also have those some of those symptoms if, for example, you have too many heavy metals in the body, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Heavy metal toxicity.
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  SPEAKER_02: Or if you have mold sickness, you have mycotoxins in the body for mold exposure.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, those are, and that's why one of the reasons why Lyme disease is so difficult to diagnose is because the symptoms do overlap.
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  SPEAKER_02: Again, it's called the great imitator.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you can have these symptoms and get diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, MS, Hashimoto's thyroiditis, fibromyalgia, POTS, you know, the list goes on and on.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_02: And you could actually have Lyme or suffering from Lyme in one of its coinfections instead of having actually MS or actually having lupus or Hashimoto's.
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  SPEAKER_02: So there's a lot of overlap there.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of confusion.
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  SPEAKER_02: All of the conditions that I just mentioned can cause severe system-wide inflammation.
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  SPEAKER_02: They can all damage the nervous system, they can all suppress your immune system, and they can all reduce your ability to detoxify.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_02: So, again, there are over 150 symptoms associated with Lyme.
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  SPEAKER_02: And some of these symptoms cross over to what we would call other chronic neurological or autoimmune conditions.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I'm just saying if you've been diagnosed with one of these other conditions, you might want to consider testing for to rule out Lyme or one of the co-infections.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, just process of elimination to figure out were you actually misdiagnosed or were you given an improper label?
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_02: Again, coming back to labels and the harm the label can have.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_02: Let's say somebody is diagnosed with lupus, um, and then they're slapped with that label.
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  SPEAKER_02: And now the treatment that the doctor's gonna pursue and that they are gonna pursue, most likely, if they're gonna look into this on their own, is gonna be um along the lines of lupus.
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  SPEAKER_02: What causes lupus?
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_02: How do you heal from lupus?
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  SPEAKER_02: So they're gonna get pigeonholed into that one category.
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  SPEAKER_02: When if it's actually Lyme or Lyme and a coinfection, they're going, they're probably going in the wrong direction.
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  SPEAKER_02: So whenever you have these overlapping symptoms, you need to be methodical and become a detective.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you need to rule out all these possible um variables um that are caught that could be contributing to causing a sickness.
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  SPEAKER_02: When Kennedy held the that summit on Lyme disease, that roundtable session on Lyme disease, um, people got really excited.
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  SPEAKER_02: One of the things that he that Kennedy is doing is he is trying to bring to light how damaging Lyme disease can be, how um underdiagnosed it is, how we are lacking the ability to properly test for it, and how for whatever reason the government and insurance companies are have been denying that chronic Lyme exists.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's fascinating because they used to acknowledge that chronic Lyme existed.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's it was in documents.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was uh, you know, people spoke about it on the news, even some of these original scientists that were involved with um Lyme um and you know, the the spike in in Lyme arthritis that occurred in the 70s.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_02: Some of those same people who were on the news talking about chronic Lyme and who wrote it in scientific papers then flipped suddenly and denied that chronic Lyme even existed.
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  SPEAKER_02: The narrative became oh, you treat early with antibiotics, and it's an easy disease to treat.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_02: So uh there's been, in my opinion, some sort of cover-up that has happened here.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_02: Is it just because insurance companies don't want to pay for long-term treatment?
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, possibly.
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  SPEAKER_02: Is it because uh Lyme suddenly exploded because the government was weaponizing ticks and there was a release and they were trying to cover their tracks?
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, possibly.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna hopefully elaborate on some of that today and try to get to the bottom of some of this.
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  SPEAKER_02: But Kennedy is on a mission to bring uh truth and to this topic of Lyme disease, chronic Lyme disease, and to bring um some accountability and to bring uh actual uh treatment to individuals who have been denied treatment for a long time uh because of this government and you know insurance relationship that's going on here.
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  SPEAKER_02: Kennedy said that, quote, for many years, this agency, meaning HHS, has a deliberate, had a deliberate policy to refuse to engage with the Lyme community.
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  SPEAKER_02: And there were top officials in this agency who were saying that Lyme disease did not exist.
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  SPEAKER_02: Kennedy continued by saying, This agency, this day, marks a milestone in this agency where we are recognizing that this is an illness.
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  SPEAKER_02: He said the gaslighting of Lyme patients is over.
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  SPEAKER_02: Many people believe that Lyme disease emerged in the mid-1970s in Lyme, Connecticut.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's because there was an unusual cluster of juvenile arthritis that occurred in Lyme, Connecticut.
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  SPEAKER_02: And Lyme, Connecticut happens to just be miles away from Plum Island, and Plum Island is where research was conducted on ticks.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_02: So it has been suggested that Lyme disease was actually invented or created in a lab at Plum Island.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay, now from what I can tell from my research, I'm gonna break this down and tell you what I've been able to find reputable sources for.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'm gonna include all the sources in the show notes.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's true that Lyme was first recognized as a distinct human illness in 1975, and it was after that outbreak in Lyme, Connecticut.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the bacteria, that borrelia bacteria, was officially identified in 1982.
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  SPEAKER_02: Lyme was at that time connected to a spiral-shaped bacteria living inside deer ticks, and it was connected by a researcher named Willie Bergdorfer.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's why the bacteria is named Borelia Bergdorphoria.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_02: Bergdorpuri.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_02: It was named after Bergdorfer, the scientist.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_02: But if you believe The scientific literature, okay, that what's documented, borrelia, that borrelia bacteria is actually ancient.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_02: They're saying that they have found it in a um 53-year-old uh iceman.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_02: And there's actually uh other, I'm pulling them up right now.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_02: There's actually other um there's other reports of finding this borelia, for example, in white-footed mice, um collected between 1870 and 1919.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um so it was found then uh there some of the mice in Massachusetts, they were found in 1894 in two mouse specimens.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_02: In 1884, there's a German ticks specimen that tested positive for uh borelia.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_02: So there are many documented cases of this particular borrelia bacteria being isolated in ticks and other animals before the 1970s um you know spike in cases in Lyme, Connecticut.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: In addition, European physicians in the early 1900s described that signature bullseye rash.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, that's you know, when you get bit by a tick, this is one of the myths.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_02: People will say, oh, you know, as long as you don't develop a bullseye rash, then it's not gonna develop into Lyme disease.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_02: It means you didn't actually contract the Lyme disease.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_02: But that's actually been shown to not be true.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um, in fact, according to some statistics, in some studies, only about 27% of people showed a rash.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_02: So that in one study, 27% of people showed a rash.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_02: In a second study, 40 for 7% of people showed a rash.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um, the CDC does not say that.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_02: The CDC says that most people show a rash, um, but not all the time.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_02: So that is a myth.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_02: If you get bit by a tick and you don't have that bullseye rash, it doesn't mean that you have like that you're you're free of any kind of infection or co-infection.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, because there's an there's the Lyme, which is an infection, and then there's also co-infections that come from ticks.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_02: Again, we're gonna talk about terrain theory in a minute, okay?
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_02: So I could just hear some of our listeners being like, wait a minute, like that's not true.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_02: And but so just hold, stay with me.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_02: So these European physicians in the early 1900s were finding bullseye rashes on patients, and they were associated with tick bites and also severe symptoms of Lyme disease like chronic arthritis, uh, neurological complaints, um, you know, things like that, like fever, uh, you know, fatigue, lethargy, things like that.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so we know if you trust the literature and this documented case studies, we know that it already existed.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_02: It it wasn't like scientists created this borelia bacteria in the lab at Plum Island.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_02: So what actually happened there?
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_02: And why is it that it seems like we're having a tick explosion now?
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_02: All right, I have several ideas here.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_02: The first is let's look at history.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_02: Joel, if you actually look at the history that's tied to uh ticks, it actually reads like a Cold War spy thriller.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_02: And the cool thing is, it's all documented in declassified documents, in the archives, in the government's own documents.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_02: And again, I'm gonna include all those links in the show notes so everyone can see the documents for themselves.
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  SPEAKER_02: So here's a very brief rundown of what happened during the Cold War.
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  SPEAKER_02: The US government, by their own admission, ran secret programs to explore how to use insects as weapons, like as bioweapons.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_02: There was, for example, Project 112 and Project Shad, SH A D, was part of Project 112.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_02: These were Cold War bioweapons programs.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_02: They were denied for like 50 years by the government and finally dragged into light in 2000.
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  SPEAKER_02: Project 11, uh, Project 11 was done on land and Project Shad, SH A D was done on water.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_02: And it was, they were done, they were done to directly expose US service members to live chemical and biological weapons.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_02: So our our American government exposed American service members to these weapons, um, these chemicals, and the service members didn't know that they were being test subjects.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_02: So they did not give their consent.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_02: And the purpose was the government was trying to see how U.S.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_02: troops and warships would hold up against airborne biological and chemical attacks because they were worried about airborne threats during the Cold War.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_02: So these um service people were sprayed from aircraft tanks or shipboard um turbines to create air sliced clouds.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_02: There was also chemicals that were released on the land.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, many of the trials used live, dangerous chemicals like nerve agents and bacteria that cause Q fever and um telaremia, uh, they used the staphylococcal enterotoxin B.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_02: They also sometimes got exposed to the industrial chemicals that were used to track the weapon clouds or to scrub the area afterwards.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_02: And this is such a big difference, it's such a big deal that even now, if you go to like the US uh veterans website, they have all this documented, and you can, Joel, I'm not kidding, you can pull up all of this, these documentations of all the different um secret operations that were done at the time, and it tells you which chemicals are really were being released.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_02: So now what the veterans um you know, the US Veterans Office is trying to do is they're trying to get access to every single covort operation that was done, and then pair it to which service members were there at the time, which ones were exposed, and then contact them and let them know you were exposed to this, and like, you know, try to get them help for it.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's how bad it is.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_00: The least it would do would be to perhaps, again, we're we're back, we're back to data, big data.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_00: We're back to where at least if they did that, they would be able to see if there are pattern clusters later in life uh where this exposure um led to some sort of, you know, at 70 years old, 80 years old, you know, what what if you see this this clustered pattern suddenly, well chances are that it you could you could you know um you could take it back to its roots back there when those guys were 18 and 19 and 20 years old.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_02: And that's important because then say they're having symptoms, then you'll know how to better treat them.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_02: Because sometimes if they're treated, if you don't know that you've been exposed to a certain type of chemical, sure, then if you're trying to figure out what your symptoms are, how do you know how to test for it?
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you just well, you you got yeah, sorry, you got Parkinson's, dude.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_00: You got Parkinson's, sorry.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_00: But but but but if but but but if but if that if that cluster, if if if you know a bunch of those guys exposed show um that showed up 30, 40, 50 years down the road, now you have a pattern.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_00: And that's where big data comes in, is you can see a pattern, and patterns teach us things.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_02: And then you know exactly how to detox that person from that chemical exposure.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_02: So they are they could potentially save lives here.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_02: So, okay, so we know that was already occurring, right?
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_02: We know that the government was already exploring how to use they were already using chemicals.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um, now at the same time that Project 112 was happening, the United States military actively researched and experimented with insects itself as biological weapons.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_02: And there's actually a field of research, it's known as entomological warfare.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_02: And it's documented that the research did include ticks.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_02: They, the government wanted to know if they could drop infected ticks on their enemies.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_02: So we know that research took place at Camp Dietrich, which is now uh Fort Dietrich in Maryland, and Dougway um proving ground in Utah.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_02: There's actually an article that was just published um in 2025 in the National Library of Medicine.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_02: And I want to read you the quote so everyone knows like this is coming from published data, right, in the National Library of Medicine itself.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_02: Quote: Numerous pathogens and vectors were created at Camp Dietrich, such as ticks carrying tularemia, colorado fever, and relapsing fever flies carrying cholera, anthrax, and dysentery, as well as mosquitoes carrying dengue, malaria, and yellow fever.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so there's ample evidence, and there's more evidence than this, of course, that the government was actually trying to use ticks, including insects, to create a biological weapon that could be released on our enemies.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_02: Now, there's also evidence that scientists at Plum Island, which again, Plum Island is less than nine miles from Old Lime, Connecticut.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_02: There is evidence that at Plum Island they bred millions of ticks and they experimented with loading them up with different bacteria and different diseases.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_02: So to understand that, you got to look at how did that all start?
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_02: And I think actually this is kind of fascinating.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_02: It started right again, right after World War II, and this was Operation Paperclip.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_02: So the US wanted to capitalize on the talent of the German scientists that were working under the Nazi regime.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_02: The US also didn't want those scientists to be grabbed by the Soviets, right?
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_02: They didn't want them to have that upper advantage.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_02: So the US started bringing German scientists to America, but there was a catch.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_02: President Truman authorized Operation Paperclip.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_02: Actually, it was called something else at the time, but then they changed it to Operation Paperclip.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_02: So he authorized the program, but he explicitly said that anyone, any of these scientists in Germany that had been an active supporter of Nazism or a war criminal could not be recruited and brought to the United States.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_02: So the US intelligence um officers realized very quickly that almost all of the top-tier scientists in Germany that they really wanted, which Joel, this includes, if people have heard of the rocket engineer Werner Van Braun.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he was one of these scientists.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_00: Go to the Huntsville, Alabama, um, NASA uh headquarters, and uh his name's all over the place.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_02: That's right.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_02: That's right.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_02: He he really helped us in the in you know space race.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_02: So he actually was a member of the Nazi Party and a Secret Service officer and so forth.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so the president had said, you cannot recruit these people.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_02: The intelligence officers in the U.S.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_02: realized really fast that pretty much all the people that they wanted to recruit had some ties to the Nazi regime.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_02: So uh what they did was they circumvented the law.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_02: The Joint Intelligence Objective Agency and the Office of Strategic Services, they actually began rewriting the scientists' security dossiers.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_02: So they whitewashed them, in other words, they would erase or minimalize evidence that would incriminate them.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um, sometimes the summaries were changed from labeling the scientists as a security threat to actually claiming that they were apolitical or, you know, they were forced into compliance.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_02: And then these falsified clean records were sent to the U.S.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_02: State Department in order to get these people visas.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so that's how Werner Vroun Braun got here.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_02: In addition to him, the uh American uh government also brought over a Nazi virologist, and he was named Dr.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_02: Eric Traub.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_02: So Traub worked for the Nazis um in in charge of weaponizing foot and mouth disease.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_02: They wanted to disperse it over Soviet livestock.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so he was well versed in in um in using insects to disperse, you know, pathogens, as they they Western science would call it, um, over enemies.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_02: So the American government uh got Dr.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_02: Traub over here and they put his expertise to work at Plum Island.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_02: So remember at this time, like by well, by 1952, in fact, the Army Chemical Corp was running the was running Plum Island for the purpose of biological warfare research.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_02: Traub met with American biological warfare scientists at Fort Dietrich, and he shared how the Nazi facility on Reims Island operated.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_02: So he basically helped them create and get the blueprints established for Plum Island.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_02: And he did visit Plum Island a few times during the 1950s.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_02: He advised them on animal disease research.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_02: So we do know that that happened at Plum Island.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_02: Around that same time, uh the military also recruited Wiley Bergdorfer.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_02: This is the Lyme guy that the Lyme bacteria is named after.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_02: And he was working um for a lab in Montana.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_02: His job was actually to use ticks as a delivery vehicle for biological weapons.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_02: So he would load the ticks with multiple diseases at one time.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_02: And the purpose was that it would bite the enemy and they would have a sickness that was an unsolved medical mystery.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_02: So nobody would actually be able to help them because they wouldn't, they would have so many different symptoms from so many different infections.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_02: So he stuck things into ticks like Q fever, um, typhus, rabies, um, leptospirosis, equine encephalitis.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and basically, I hope people are kind of jumping ahead to the conclusion.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_02: If you if you've had Lyme or you know somebody with Lyme or you've heard about it, thinking that if these ticks are carrying all these different microbes in them, and then it gets injected into your body, and the whole point was to create a sickness that didn't have a single cause or a single diagnosis that was basically impossible for a doctor to solve.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_02: That sounds like Lyme.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_02: So there is some logical connection there.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_02: And the theory is that these modified ticks, because they were stuffed, they weren't genetically modified as far as we know, but they were stuffed with all of these vectors, that they escaped and that they were released into the wild.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_02: And that escape could explain why they had that sudden explosion of lime uh right across the water from Plum Island in the 70s.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_02: It can also partly explain why the lone star tick that they're saying is cause causes the alpha gal meat allergy allergy has started to spread so rapidly.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um we do know that there was a doctor, Dr.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_02: Richard Endris, in the 80s, a veterinary entomologist, and he did extensive tick research at Plum Island.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_02: He had over 200,000 soft and hard ticks um in the tick nursery.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_02: And we do know that there is evidence that ticks um the ticks escaped.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's been documented by by some investigative journalists like Chris Newby and others that experiments were sometimes conducted outdoors.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, test animals mingled with wild deer and test birds and wild birds, wildlife regularly moved between Plum Island and the Main Island.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_02: They said deer from Lyme, Connecticut regularly swam over to Plum Island.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_02: Local birds flew there and they fed on insects.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_02: So there was um exchange between Plum Island and the local environment.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_02: But beyond that, there's also evidence, Joel, that the ticks were released.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_02: So they were actually tested in the real world by our government.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um, in 1954, they ran a project called Operation Big Itch.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_02: And it was named because they dropped over half a million fleas from bombs to prove that an insect could survive an aerial deployment and then could then attach to a host once they landed.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_02: And they they were successful.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_02: Then in 1962, there was Operation Mongoose, and that was under um JFK's administration.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_02: They wanted to sabotage Cuba's agriculture to cut off their natural um, you know, resources.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_02: And there is a CIA operative who actually admitted that he flew a plane low over Cuba and dropped infected ticks on the sugarcane workers.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_02: But they also released ticks on US soil.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it's it's been documented that in the 60s they released dog ticks that were tagged with radioactive carbon-14 in Virginia and Montana.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_02: And they wanted to track how far the migratory birds would carry them.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_02: Right around the same time, and this again, this is not causation, right?
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_02: We're just trying to connect dots here, and these are possibilities.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_02: But at the same time that these ticks were released, we had this sudden rise in tick-borne diseases on the East Coast.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_02: We had Lyme, Rocky Mountain spotted fever, and um babiciosis, which is a co-infection.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_02: So those all um started to increase, they started to spike during the same time, which is what fuels this uh theory um that these were these were lab leaks.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_02: But but I'm saying some things were probably came from the lab and some things were actually released, you know, by the government.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um so if you look at Kirk Newby's research, uh he says that when these outbreaks hit, there was an actual panic behind the scenes because they didn't want the public looking at these weapons programs that we now know exist.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_02: So Kirby concluded that the health agencies manufacture this cover-up story that, oh, it's just a natural tick bite, right?
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_02: The ticks just naturally carry this, and that's just what Lyme disease is.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um, in 2013, Bergdorfer himself admitted on camera that he believed that the Lyme outbreak was an accident from the bioweapons program.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_02: And he said he was ordered to suppress what he found.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_02: You know, government and others are coming out and saying, well, he was old, he was sick at that time.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but we're starting to see a paper trail come out.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_02: Now, again, I don't, I don't think that the I'm not saying the government created Borelia.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_02: I'm saying we have documentation that they just they created like these super ticks as weapons, and some were released here in America, and some could have been accidentally released from the lab, and some could have been released from exchange in wildlife.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I am saying, and we can, and I there's much more to cover, but one thing I want you to keep in mind as we go through uh this tick story, which Joel, I'm starting to think this might actually require two episodes because there's so much here.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but it it's it really is important if you're trying to understand how the body works and how the government works, because there's so many people that are coming down with Lyme and Alpha Gal.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_02: And if you don't really understand the origin of it, you can't really understand how to diagnose and treat it.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna get to the point in in this podcast where this will make sense.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm saying um if borrelia does really exist, right?
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm presuming that the Priscilla Belia bacteria exists.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_02: It's possible we're blaming one bacteria for Lyme disease, but it's actually a combination of these different vectors that they put in the tick.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_02: And one reason I say that is because you can test positive for borrelia and not have Lyme, and you can test positive for Alpha Gal and not have Alpha Gal Syndrome.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_02: So as you can see, borrelia and or the coinfections from a tick by 8 are have a systemic impact.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_02: They can affect the brain.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_02: And in fact, borelia has been found through imaging in in the brain, in the lung, in the heart tissue.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_02: So part of the reason that people with Lyme, um, chronic Lyme have had such pushback is because number one, it's difficult to detect borrelia in the blood.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um, one is because of the testing that we use.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um the CDC's standard for testing is highly inaccurate.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_02: And I'll get into that in a minute.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_02: But so one is the testing, the form that's used that's inaccurate.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_02: The other is that borelia doesn't often just sit in the blood.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_02: And so, what do we test when we're trying to figure out if you have Lyme?
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_02: We test your blood.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_02: But borelia is very smart, it doesn't just sit there.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_02: And in fact, um it can change shape and it can bore into different tissues in the body and even into bone.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_02: So we're looking in an area where borelia may not even be able to be found.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, so let's dive into this just for a minute so everybody um is on the same page here.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_02: The borelia is very clever, it can change shapes.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_02: There's currently three known forms.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_02: So, for example, within two hours of being exposed to an antibiotic, the borrelia protects itself by forming into granules.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_02: And the antibiotic cannot penetrate those granules.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_02: The granules form um uh it protects the genes that borrelia needs in order to replicate.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_02: So that's why um it forms into a granule.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_02: It's trying to protect its genes in there.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_02: When borelia invades a human cell, it will actually need to change its shape again.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_02: It turns into a spiral, it's like a screw and it can screw into the cell.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_02: So borrelia literally changes shape to enter into your cells, and that changing of shape was called pleomorphism.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_02: Once it's in the cell, the immune system usually can't find it, at least not very well.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_02: So your body can't kill it, and it tends to be um it depends to be hidden from the antibiotics also.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_02: So borelia can turn into a granule when the antibiotics are given.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_02: And once the antibiotics are stopped, it turns back into this spiral shape and starts invading the cells uh rapidly again.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_02: This is one reason why when people give antibiotics for multiple days at a time and weeks at a time, they can test the blood again, and you'll often find borrelia there.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_02: And that's because borrelia can hide from the antibiotic.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_02: So oftentimes practitioners will pulse antibiotics.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_02: They'll give the antibiotic to kill off the borrelia that's in a stage of its life cycle where it can be affected by the antibiotic.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_02: And then you'll stop the antibiotic because, again, the borrelia can sense that it's there and it will hide from it.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_02: And then once it doesn't sense the antibiotics there anymore, it comes out of that hidden form and can be um killed by the antibiotic.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_02: So that's when you restart antibiotics.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_02: So it's called a pulsing.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um and that tends to be more successful from a lot of practitioners' perspective that I've spoken with.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um early on, if you if you catch the the tick by early on and you get treatment with the antibiotic early on, there seems to be evidence that continual antibiotic treatment without pulsing can be beneficial.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_02: But certainly when you've had long uh long uh lime or more days that have passed before you have started your treatment, pulsing might be needed.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_02: Borelia's third form that it takes on is that it can produce biofilms.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_02: It's like snot.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_02: It acts that like a blanket that shields borelia from the antibiotic in the immune system.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_02: So the borelia uses the um this biofilm to hide from antibiotics in your immune system, but also to talk and coordinate with each other.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_02: They group together and they specialize.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_02: Again, I told you borrelia is really smart.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_02: For example, um, one bacteria might be responsible for finding food, and while another is responsible for figuring out how to invade the immune system.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_02: And they do quorum sensing.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_02: So they know where each other are.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so even if they're far apart from each other, they can sense where each other where they are and they can coordinate.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_02: It's a communication technique that where they use chemicals, we think, um, that are produced by the bacteria, and they likely also use some kind of you know um energy signaling.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_02: There's another reason why people might develop a long line.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um and it oftentimes goes let's see, undiagnosed, but also people aren't believed about it.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_02: Because you can actually go on courses of antibiotics that can target borrelia, and after you're done with antibiotics, you can still test positive for um borrelia.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but you can also test negative.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_02: And again, that's because it can hide in different systems.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_02: And so if it tests negative and you're saying to a doctor, oh, I have you know chronic Lyme, or I have, you know, like long, long Lyme, for example, but your blood test is negative, the doctor would usually say, Well, there's no borelia in your body.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_02: And this is one reason why chronic Lyme sufferers have not been believed for decades.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_02: Well, now we have imaging where they have imaged this borrelia spirochetes in different organs, including in the brain and the lung and the heart.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_02: And that's even when people tested negative in the blood.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_02: So light is being shed on the suffering that these people have undergone for a long time.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, another reason that you might actually get long Lyme is because um there could be bacterial or biological debris left over.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_02: So, for example, when an immune when the immune system or the antibiotic kills borelia, the bacteria is broken apart, and ideally your body clears out all of the pieces.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_02: But sometimes, sometimes the white blood cells, which are called monocyte, they swallow the dead bacterial fragments like the proteins and the nucleic acid.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_02: And instead of um digesting and clearing them out, the monocytes retain those fragments.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_02: So there's not a living dividing bacteria, borrelia, there, but there's pieces of its corpse, if you will, that are stuck inside your immune cells.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_02: So because those monocytes, those immune cells, are carrying around foreign bacterial proteins, your immune system sees it as a foreign invader and it stays on high alert.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_02: And that results in a pro-inflammatory uh cytokine response, like a cytokine storm, because the body thinks there's still an active threat.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_02: And that systemic inflammation is what's thought to cause the classic chronic symptoms like the fatigue, the continued joint and muscle pain, the neurological issues uh that we talked about, the hypersensitivity, the um psychiatric changes, uh, like the anxiety, uh, irritability, depression.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um, these monocytes can travel through your bloodstream and cross the blood-brain barrier.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_02: And once they're in the brain, they can release those same inflammatory chemicals leading to neuroinflammation.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_02: Again, that's how we get things like the brain, brain fog, and the neurological symptoms like difficulty with memory, cognitive abilities, things like that.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_02: So if a patient's symptoms are caused by that dead bacterial, those dead bacterial fragments that are trapped in those immune cells, giving more antibiotics is not actually gonna work.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_02: The antibiotics are designed to kill the actively replicating bacteria.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_02: They can't really do anything about the dead protein fragments and they can't calm an overactive nervous system.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_02: So, this is when you actually have to do immune modulation and reprogram the immune system to stop it from overacting to this debris.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_02: Now, interestingly, our system has acknowledged long COVID, but not long Lyme.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_02: Long COVID and long Lyme, they both operate under this similar mechanism, like a similar mechanism that I just um explained.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_02: They both need immune modulation in order for you to heal from them.
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so hopefully now with Kennedy um leading this charge to bring light to the situation with Lyme, hopefully um we're going to start acknowledging long COVID and get it treated.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_02: Another component of this is how did it get spread in even so recently?
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and there's there's two big there's two obvious reasons, and then there's one that mainstream media won't talk about.
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so let's quickly go through the obvious ones and spend time on the one mainstream media won't talk about.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_02: The first is deer.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_02: You know, ticks like to travel on the deer.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_02: In some areas, we're having a lot, an overpopulation of deer, partly because of hunting restrictions and partly because there's not enough coyotes.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and it if you remember Joel.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_00: And mainly, mainly, Cena, uh, at least the game commission folks here that I talk with, they say that the main reason for the over the abundance uh or uh overpopulation of deer is nobody's hunting them anymore.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_00: This used to be a father-son, sometimes a mother-daughter, but usually a father-son.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, rite of passage, uh, you know, a thing to go out and do, a bond, a bonding, natural bonding thing together.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_00: Now dad's you know watching a football game on TV, and the son's downstairs playing video games.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_00: And so that that bonding thing that used to be done is not done anymore.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_00: We I mean we're we're overrun with deer here.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_00: Uh the the the game, the game commission guy that told me this, he said we could take off all hunting restrictions and let anybody kill as many deer as they want and we'd still be overpopulated.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_02: Wow, that's telling.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_02: You know, do you remember we talked about colossal bioscientists, uh, biosciences, that company who is trying to bring back the direwolf?
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_02: Remember that?
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_02: And they said that one of the reasons is because they're trying to bring back the apex predator, right?
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_02: To naturally control the overpopulation of things like deer.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um uh scuttlebutt here rumor, and I don't know if this is true or not, but I can tell you, you know, scuttlebutt here is that the insurance company, autocollision companies in Virginia, have paid to bring in sterile wolves into Virginia.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_00: So they don't want it to get out of hand, but they'll they bring in a uh a tractor trailer load uh or or you know, a some some large number of uh they they wolves, they sterilize them.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_00: So they're not going to procreate, but the idea is to kill a lot of the deer.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_01: Well, is that because of spreading ticks?
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_00: No, autocollisions.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_00: Auto collisions.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's because of autocollisions.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_00: The in the insurance companies.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_00: They're tired of paying.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_00: I forget what the statistic is now in Virginia, but it's it's hundreds of millions of dollars in um in col in col in um in insurance payouts for hitting deer.
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you you can't the the other morning, the other morning I had an early flight and between our house and uh the interstate, which is uh whatever, you know, six miles.
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_00: We're pretty close.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um in six miles, I had to come to a complete stop five times to not hit a deer in in just in just uh five miles.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's crazy.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_00: And and they weren't just one deer.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, one was a group of like ten.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_00: You know, there were like four does and six or six does and four bucks.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there are the whole yeah, it's I I mean, I've I've never seen deer like I'm seeing today.
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_00: They just just see them, you see them everywhere.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_00: So there's a lot more deer ticks.
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_02: More deer ticks, man.
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and you know, and so a similar thing, Joel, is happening with a white-footed mouse.
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, Western science says that the white-footed mouse is actually an incubator for borrelia.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_02: So basically, it carries this borrelia in it, and ticks bite the mice, the mouse, and then they get the borrelia bacteria, and then the tick bites the human and transfers that bacteria to the human.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_02: So they call them superhosts, um, saying that they infect up to about 90% of the tick larvae that bite them.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_02: And then those ticks molt into nymphs, and the mice drive drop these um right at the edge of your property line.
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_02: So they're saying that these mice are actually thriving because of an ecological funnel that we've built that delivers them to our doorstep.
• 59:00
  SPEAKER_02: So basically, they're saying that you get this exponential increase in these infected ticks in forest patches that are smaller than five acres.
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_02: So think about what happens when we chop up large uh forests and we build suburban housing developments, right?
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_02: You're you're destroying that biodiversity in a way.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_02: So when you do that, the apex predators, like the foxes, the hawks, and the owls, they tend to vanish uh because they need like uh vast territories, right?
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_02: So you're not really gonna find them on these plots that are five acres or less.
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_02: So what happens is the the apex predators to the white-footed mice, uh they're gone.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_02: So that white-footed, the five-footed mice, they thrive in those small, kind of fragmented edge environments that are right up next to the where humans have their backyards.
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_02: So the mouse population swells, the ticks that are hatching in these small past patches feed almost exclusively on those mice, um, and that brings that borrelia right to your back door.
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_02: This was uh, you know, before we even go on to talk about now the immunology behind that, this made me immediately think of your farm, Joel.
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_02: Because the do you have a tick problem on your farm?
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_00: Like are you No, we go, we go months and never see a tick.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, we and we've got we've got 20-some people here, you know, we're out, you know, we're out all the time, uh, moving chickens and cows and everything else.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_00: And um, I literally, I don't see a, I don't get a tick on me even once a year.
• 1:00:48
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, never, we just never see one.
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_00: We it does, it's not an issue.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_00: We don't talk about it because it just it just doesn't exist.
• 1:00:55
  SPEAKER_00: But we have a lot of chickens and we have eggmobiles, and the eggmobiles move around.
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um we also we also have have over the years made uh forestal um corridors, forestal corridors, so that every single open acre is within 200 yards of a forestal corridor.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_00: And that forestal corridor, so when you say patches of five acres of woods, um yeah, you're right.
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_00: Uh foxes and stuff, they need more, but it doesn't have to be that that five acres doesn't have to be a square.
• 1:01:45
  SPEAKER_00: It can be a hundred yards wide and a mile long, okay?
• 1:01:49
  SPEAKER_00: The point is that that there's gotta be uh what does wildlife need?
• 1:01:53
  SPEAKER_00: They need cover.
• 1:01:54
  SPEAKER_00: I mean they need they need cover, shelter, and a food source.
• 1:01:58
  SPEAKER_00: And so so we have over the years, we have purposely created, we've even planted trees, but purposely created these um these corridors, these these forestal corridors that are you know anywhere from 100 to 150 yards wide, that are corridors out through the fields.
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_00: You know, these are on on uh steep, steep ground uh that you don't want to drive on anyway.
• 1:02:24
  SPEAKER_00: And um and that gets all these corridors within 200 yards, which means the foxes and the coyotes and the raccoons and things like that that eat chipmunks and mice and voles and moles and things like that are always within striking distance of whatever's out there in the field because they have a protective cover of uh of forestal corridor.
• 1:02:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
• 1:02:51
  SPEAKER_02: So, but did you did you have ticks when you first got there?
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_02: Like, do you remember having ticks when you guys first got there before you?
• 1:02:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, I remember on the you know, on the dogs and stuff, there'd be ticks and us, you know, not not like a not like a a plague, but um definitely more than today.
• 1:03:12
  SPEAKER_00: There's no question in my mind, but what our ecological uh our ecological work both in the ecosystem and the eggmobiles, the chickens out running around, uh that both of those things have greatly, greatly affected the population of ticks here.
• 1:03:32
  SPEAKER_00: There's no question in my mind, even though we have we have probably five times as many deer as we had when I was a kid.
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_02: Oh wow.
• 1:03:40
  SPEAKER_02: That's incredible.
• 1:03:42
  SPEAKER_02: So the answer is land management.
• 1:03:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:03:46
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 1:03:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:03:47
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:03:48
  SPEAKER_02: Like you're doing.
• 1:03:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:03:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:03:51
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you know, it's kind of uh that kind of thinking through this uh reminds me of a couple of years ago, I I spoke at the um National Beekeepers Association annual meeting in um Tennessee.
• 1:04:06
  SPEAKER_00: And I was the guy's taking me to the airport, he was a commercial beekeeper, he had, I don't know, what, 1,500 hives or something.
• 1:04:12
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he was a big, you know, a big operation.
• 1:04:15
  SPEAKER_00: And I asked him, I said, so what's what's the single biggest um hurdle or or or or or you know problem in the honey bees?
• 1:04:28
  SPEAKER_00: And of course, you know what I thought he was gonna say.
• 1:04:31
  SPEAKER_00: I thought he was gonna say, oh, you know, pesticides, herbicides, you know, all these chemicals.
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_00: Boy, he didn't bat it.
• 1:04:38
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he shot back quick, he didn't even hesitate.
• 1:04:40
  SPEAKER_00: He said, Oh, cavity trees.
• 1:04:43
  SPEAKER_00: I said, What?
• 1:04:44
  SPEAKER_00: Cavity trees?
• 1:04:45
  SPEAKER_00: He said, Yeah.
• 1:04:45
  SPEAKER_00: He said, We don't have any, we don't have any cavity trees anymore.
• 1:04:48
  SPEAKER_00: People come out and and and where there used to be patches of woods and a, you know, a hollow tree or something with a cavity in it.
• 1:04:57
  SPEAKER_00: He said now anybody that sees a tree with a cavity in it, oh, it might fall and hit the power line.
• 1:05:03
  SPEAKER_00: It might fall and hit the house or hit the car.
• 1:05:05
  SPEAKER_00: And so we don't, we don't leave any cavity trees around anymore.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_00: So the bees don't have any place to go.
• 1:05:12
  SPEAKER_00: That's why so many bees are going into houses.
• 1:05:14
  SPEAKER_00: They're getting up inside your house and the walls of your house and stuff.
• 1:05:17
  SPEAKER_00: And there are people all over the place that are getting trying to, you know, we have uh uh bee extermination trying to get bees out of your house because they don't have any um cavity trees to go to.
• 1:05:28
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 1:05:29
  SPEAKER_02: What an interesting unintended consequence.
• 1:05:31
  SPEAKER_02: Like I wouldn't have I wouldn't have connected that.
• 1:05:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, isn't that the truth?
• 1:05:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:36
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, for me, it was like, oh my goodness.
• 1:05:38
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I mean it it makes complete intuitive sense, but uh I certainly wasn't expecting that answer.
• 1:05:44
  SPEAKER_00: But a a a lot of answers are a little bit out of the, you know, out outside our window frame, aren't they?
• 1:05:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but I mean that that perfectly applies to what we're talking about here because like nature has a design.
• 1:05:57
  SPEAKER_02: God designed nature beautifully.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_02: And when we come in and make changes to it, you know, with without that knowledge, um, we have these types of unintended consequences.
• 1:06:10
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 1:06:10
  SPEAKER_02: You know, and just like with the bees, we're having this unintended consequences with um, I do think the the deer and the white the white-footed mouse, they are allowing ticks themselves to spread.
• 1:06:24
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_00: You know, right.
• 1:06:27
  SPEAKER_02: So, um, yeah, okay, so an interesting thing though, okay, and this is where we kind of get into the the germ theory versus the terrain theory, is because I started to look into, as you know, I'm a big proponent of terrain theory.
• 1:06:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I started looking into the studies.
• 1:06:50
  SPEAKER_02: Because if you look up, oh, the white-footed mouse, they'll say, Oh, the mouse can be bit hundreds of times by ticks carrying, you know, lime and the spirillia, and the mouse stays perfectly healthy, and the mouse lives with it in its body, and um he's just fine.
• 1:07:11
  SPEAKER_02: He doesn't get the joint pain, the heart inflammation, neurological decline, like people who have Lyme disease can.
• 1:07:18
  SPEAKER_02: So I thought, well, why?
• 1:07:20
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, clearly there are differences between mice and humans, but we also use them in science, in experiments, you know, certain types of mice, because they have similarities to humans.
• 1:07:34
  SPEAKER_02: So you can't really claim it both ways, you know.
• 1:07:37
  SPEAKER_02: So what mainstream is claiming is that there's two different ways to deal with a pathogen in immunology.
• 1:07:46
  SPEAKER_02: One is resistance and one is tolerance.
• 1:07:48
  SPEAKER_02: So resistance is like um the germ theory thought where you're trying to kill the invader, right?
• 1:07:55
  SPEAKER_02: Tolerance, they're saying, is when you're trying to minimize the damage that's caused by that quote-unquote invader.
• 1:08:03
  SPEAKER_02: And so, but you're not actually trying to kill it.
• 1:08:07
  SPEAKER_02: So they're saying that the white-footed mouse has a high level of infectious tolerance.
• 1:08:16
  SPEAKER_02: So when this mouse is exposed to borrelia, the immune cells shift toward an M2 type of macrophage phenotype, which a lot of goobly gunk, as you might say.
• 1:08:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um, the gist of it is that they somehow are getting along with the bacteria.
• 1:08:35
  SPEAKER_02: They're letting the this bacteria live inside of them and they're keeping their own internal inflammation remarkably quiet.
• 1:08:43
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:08:43
  SPEAKER_02: And they're doing that, science says, to save their energy for reproduction because their goal is to reproduce as quickly as possible.
• 1:08:53
  SPEAKER_02: Now, interestingly, if you look at the actual studies themselves, they don't say that 100% of the mice are not infected.
• 1:09:05
  SPEAKER_02: Like, this is why it's really important to not just read the headlines, to read the studies themselves, read the methodology, the results.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_02: Some of the the white-footed mice, even the ones that they are in the wild, do get sick.
• 1:09:21
  SPEAKER_02: They get sick from and it's symptoms similar to a human having Lyme.
• 1:09:26
  SPEAKER_02: Now, if you look at it, those mice are usually malnourished or compromised in some way.
• 1:09:35
  SPEAKER_02: That even that alone supports the terrain theory.
• 1:09:41
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 1:09:41
  SPEAKER_02: That some of them got it and some of them don't.
• 1:09:46
  SPEAKER_02: Now, if you apply the concept of Lyme disease to germ theory, uh germ theory relies on strict uh rules.
• 1:09:58
  SPEAKER_02: They're called um Koch's postulates.
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_02: You have to fulfill his postulates in order for the germ theory to be true.
• 1:10:08
  SPEAKER_02: So um they're saying that Bergdorfer quote unquote proved that Lyme disease fits this theory, the germ theory, because they said number one, he just he discovered the bacteria inside the ticks and they were in the outbreak area.
• 1:10:24
  SPEAKER_02: Number two, he isolated that bacteria and he grew it in a lab.
• 1:10:28
  SPEAKER_02: And number three, he demonstrated that patients suffering from Lyme, like the like arthritic Lyme, had the antibodies in their blood that were actively fighting the lab-grown bacteria.
• 1:10:42
  SPEAKER_02: But as I've already said twice on this program, in this one podcast, you can have the antibodies without having any symptoms.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_02: That's true for Lyme and Alpha Gael syndrome.
• 1:10:55
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't fit Koch's postulates.
• 1:10:59
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm building a case for terrain theory.
• 1:11:02
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:11:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:11:03
  SPEAKER_02: Some humans do get infected.
• 1:11:06
  SPEAKER_02: You could say, I don't even want to, it's not even an infection, okay?
• 1:11:09
  SPEAKER_02: But some people get exposed after a tick bite, and they do launch a massive hyperinflammatory counterattack.
• 1:11:19
  SPEAKER_02: It's a it's like a cytokine storm, and it causes, it can cause arthritis, you know, or joint pain, swelling, tissue damage, all these symptoms that are associated with Lyme.
• 1:11:32
  SPEAKER_02: But here's here's my point one of my points.
• 1:11:36
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not so sure that those symptoms are actually caused by the mere presence of the borrelia bacteria.
• 1:11:47
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's caused by your own imbalance in your own immune system.
• 1:11:53
  SPEAKER_02: So this this is where the germ theory and the terrain theory are like diverge, right?
• 1:11:59
  SPEAKER_02: So in the terrain theory, I'm arguing that the symptoms, the fever, chronic fatigue, deep joint pain, they're host dependent.
• 1:12:11
  SPEAKER_02: It's your host-dependent response to what's perceived as a threat to your body.
• 1:12:18
  SPEAKER_02: So if your terrain is already compromised, let's say you have leaky gut, let's say you have heavy metals in your body, um, you lack microbial diversity, uh, let's say you're exposing yourself to glyphosate, which we know can lead to leaky gut and also leaky brain, your immune system is compromised, right?
• 1:12:42
  SPEAKER_02: Particularly because the vast majority of your immune system is said to be in the gastrointestinal tract.
• 1:12:47
  SPEAKER_02: So you're compromised.
• 1:12:50
  SPEAKER_02: So now your immune system does tend to become overly sensitive, you could call it, and overly triggered.
• 1:12:57
  SPEAKER_02: So when a tick bites you and it injects its foreign saliva into you, it doesn't have to even be borelia.
• 1:13:06
  SPEAKER_02: That's why we're saying coinfections are also causing issues when the when they're bit by tick.
• 1:13:12
  SPEAKER_02: It could be anything that's in that tick that can cause this inflammatory cytokine storm.
• 1:13:18
  SPEAKER_02: That's why I don't think it happens in everybody.
• 1:13:20
  SPEAKER_02: Some people have a more balanced terrain.
• 1:13:25
  SPEAKER_02: And so their terrain is able to handle that insult.
• 1:13:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, some some people aren't drinking out of the cow trough.
• 1:13:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 1:13:34
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you see the same thing too, like with staph or E.
• 1:13:38
  SPEAKER_02: coli.
• 1:13:39
  SPEAKER_02: Like you can swab these things on people and you can see them.
• 1:13:42
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it Western medicine has published this in the research themselves.
• 1:13:47
  SPEAKER_02: So Western medicine, Western science knows this.
• 1:13:50
  SPEAKER_02: You can swab people, test people, and you can have some of these quote unquote pathogens show up, and the person has no symptoms.
• 1:13:59
  SPEAKER_02: The person is fine.
• 1:14:01
  SPEAKER_02: So I do think that there's a big terrain, it's it's terrain theory.
• 1:14:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and we are predisposing ourselves to be more susceptible.
• 1:14:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, they stuffed different vectors in these ticks.
• 1:14:13
  SPEAKER_02: So you are getting exposed to more things when presumably those types of ticks bite you.
• 1:14:19
  SPEAKER_02: But not everybody, even back then, got sick from it, right?
• 1:14:23
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:14:23
  SPEAKER_02: So, one of the other sources, actually, that I wanted to talk about, this is the one that mainstream medicine and mainstream media is really not touching.
• 1:14:33
  SPEAKER_02: One of the other sources is um, and this is particularly for Alpha Gal.
• 1:14:39
  SPEAKER_02: This is a connection with vaccines.
• 1:14:43
  SPEAKER_02: So, and I'll try to hurry on through this one because I know we're getting close on time.
• 1:14:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:14:50
  SPEAKER_02: But um it has been shown, even okay, like look back in 1913, we already knew that if you inject something into somebody with a needle, you can cause an allergy.
• 1:15:04
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 1:15:04
  SPEAKER_02: There's a Nobel Prize-winning scientist who demonstrated this.
• 1:15:10
  SPEAKER_02: It was later shown to be true with um in the 1990s, Japan actually saw a sudden spike in anaphylaxis in infants.
• 1:15:20
  SPEAKER_02: And it was after they got the MMR and chick-apox vaccine.
• 1:15:23
  SPEAKER_02: So what happened was they figured out, the researchers figured out that there was a gelatin in the vaccine that was causing the anaphylactic reaction because gelatin contains alpha gal sugar.
• 1:15:38
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:15:39
  SPEAKER_02: It was injected into the child, and so the children, they were sensitized by that early vaccine exposure that had the gelatin in it.
• 1:15:50
  SPEAKER_02: They think it was through the DTAP vaccine.
• 1:15:52
  SPEAKER_02: They got three to four doses of this and they became sensitive.
• 1:15:55
  SPEAKER_02: What happened was then they came back later and they got the MMR and the chicken pox vaccine, which had a larger amount of gelatin in it, and they ended up having this anaphylactic reaction.
• 1:16:07
  SPEAKER_02: They removed the gelatin from the vaccine, and the cases of anaphylaxis dropped immediately to near zero.
• 1:16:17
  SPEAKER_02: So the Japanese government actually admitted that the vaccine caused the food allergy and that it was by the mechanism that that Nobel Prize winner had actually detailed back in 1913.
• 1:16:30
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 1:16:31
  SPEAKER_02: And this, of course, has now been extended to it's possible that food allergies have been caused in a similar way.
• 1:16:38
  SPEAKER_02: You know, peanut allergies from the peanut oil and the vaccines, and on and on.
• 1:16:42
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm trying to stay on task with ticks.
• 1:16:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so we know that that's even uh uh Cena, even things like Retz, Rhett's syndrome, you know, RET, you know, Rhett's where, you know, uh it's a neurological, you know, where a person doesn't speak their whole life.
• 1:17:03
  SPEAKER_00: I mean it's a it's a terrible like um Yeah, it's it's a it's a new row, new row disorder.
• 1:17:11
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, yeah, go ahead.
• 1:17:13
  SPEAKER_00: It's fine.
• 1:17:16
  SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, so uh so vaccines are one entry point because they still have um gelatin in them.
• 1:17:28
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and so whether the alpha gal sugar is being delivered through a tick bite, right?
• 1:17:36
  SPEAKER_02: Like the they're both injections, right?
• 1:17:38
  SPEAKER_02: The tick injects stuff into your body.
• 1:17:41
  SPEAKER_02: And one of the things is alpha gal.
• 1:17:43
  SPEAKER_02: So whether it's being injected through the tick bite or through a needle, there is scientific evidence to say that you can actually develop a sensitivity to alpha gal through the injections.
• 1:17:57
  SPEAKER_02: Now, what happens is you can develop a sensitivity, then you're exposed to it.
• 1:18:02
  SPEAKER_02: So um one of the ways you're exposed to it to Alpha Gal is through our medical system and through foods.
• 1:18:11
  SPEAKER_02: So 64% of all medications are said to contain um active or inactive ingredients that that are derived from mammalian, uh, mammalian sources.
• 1:18:24
  SPEAKER_02: So even like gelatin capsules can be derived uh from a from a mammalian source, so they can have alpha-gal in it.
• 1:18:33
  SPEAKER_02: Uh two quick examples from the food supply that most people wouldn't think of keratinin.
• 1:18:39
  unknown: Right?
• 1:18:39
  SPEAKER_02: Carragenin is actually a stabilizer that is extracted from red algae.
• 1:18:45
  SPEAKER_02: So that's a that's a plant.
• 1:18:46
  SPEAKER_02: That's not um, I mean, it's algae.
• 1:18:49
  SPEAKER_02: That's not an animal source.
• 1:18:52
  SPEAKER_02: But what's most people don't know is that uh red algae is actually one of the only non-mammalian organisms on earth that naturally makes alpha gal.
• 1:19:08
  SPEAKER_02: So if yeah, so if you're consuming products that have kerogenin in them, which is in like nut milks and like it can be in ice creams, for example, then you may be exposing yourself to alpha gal.
• 1:19:18
  SPEAKER_02: And another one most people don't think about is vitamin D3, right?
• 1:19:23
  SPEAKER_02: The synthetic vitamin D3, the juice, the fortified cereals and like orange juice, and it's in some supplements.
• 1:19:30
  SPEAKER_02: It's almost exclusively derived from lanolin, which is the greasy wax that screes out of the sheep's wool.
• 1:19:36
  SPEAKER_02: And so that is most likely going to contain alpha gal.
• 1:19:39
  SPEAKER_02: So you've got people being exposed to it either through a tick bite or a shot, it they become sensitive to it, and then they get exposed again, and it can set off a reaction.
• 1:19:53
  SPEAKER_02: And I think it's most likely in people that already have a terrain that's been disrupted, like a leaky gut, for example, that makes them susceptible.
• 1:20:03
  SPEAKER_02: Again, that would explain why uh people can have the uh the antibody and not have any kind of symptoms.
• 1:20:13
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:20:14
  SPEAKER_02: All right, I kind of rushed through that.
• 1:20:15
  SPEAKER_02: Did that make sense?
• 1:20:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:20:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so there's so the the the point is that there's a lot of vectors, and when you when we look when we look at the explosion of Lyme since 1970, that also tracks the explosion of vaccines.
• 1:20:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:20:36
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, the the vaccine explosion and the and and the tick and the fragmenting of the woods.
• 1:20:43
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, all of that stuff is part of of recent decade modern America.
• 1:20:50
  SPEAKER_02: That's right.
• 1:20:51
  SPEAKER_00: Including including leaky gut and junk food.
• 1:20:56
  SPEAKER_02: That's right.
• 1:20:57
  SPEAKER_02: And that you know, food allergies on the rise and sensitivities are you know also in that same time period of when they started to explode.
• 1:21:05
  SPEAKER_02: All these things, glyphosate explosion, all these things, piggyback.
• 1:21:09
  SPEAKER_02: We're learning more and more about how much damage has been done, like in the last you know, 50 years.
• 1:21:14
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:21:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um, because it really has been this storm of all these different um toxicities and new and deficiencies that have culminated.
• 1:21:24
  SPEAKER_02: If you've ever had a Lyme disease test or know someone who's had a test, or you suspect you might have Lyme, I want you to hear this.
• 1:21:33
  SPEAKER_02: We're talking about how inaccurate the diagnostic system in this country is.
• 1:21:39
  SPEAKER_02: It is fundamentally flawed and it's failing us.
• 1:21:44
  SPEAKER_02: So when you go to the doctor for Lyme, the standard protocol is a two-tiered system.
• 1:21:49
  SPEAKER_02: So step one is a screening test called the ELISA.
• 1:21:53
  SPEAKER_02: This is the first trap.
• 1:21:54
  SPEAKER_02: ELISA is notoriously insensitive.
• 1:21:58
  SPEAKER_02: In the early stages of Lyme, it can miss a diagnosis up to 70% of the time.
• 1:22:05
  SPEAKER_02: That's huge.
• 1:22:07
  SPEAKER_02: But the worst part about that is that if you test negative on the ELISA, the lab is instructed to stop.
• 1:22:15
  SPEAKER_02: You don't get further testing, you're just sent home.
• 1:22:21
  SPEAKER_02: Now let's say you pass that first hurdle, you tested positive for Lyme on the ELISA, then you make it to step two.
• 1:22:30
  SPEAKER_02: This is the Western blot.
• 1:22:31
  SPEAKER_02: A Western blot isn't a yes or no test.
• 1:22:34
  SPEAKER_02: It's like a reading a barcode.
• 1:22:37
  SPEAKER_02: The lab breaks the bacteria apart and they look for um antibody um antibodies that are reacting to its specific proteins, and they're called bands.
• 1:22:46
  SPEAKER_02: So this is where the second trap is.
• 1:22:49
  SPEAKER_02: The standard commercial Western blot test that's used in America looks for antibodies reacting to the proteins of a single strain of Lyme bacteria called the B31 strain.
• 1:23:00
  SPEAKER_02: Now, that would be fine, but there are hundreds of different strains of the Lyme-causing bacteria that are circulating in the wild today.
• 1:23:07
  SPEAKER_02: So if you're bitten by a tick carrying a different strain, your antibodies might not perfectly match this B31 protein, and your test will come back negative.
• 1:23:18
  SPEAKER_02: So we're in essence looking through a tiny keyhole at this massive problem.
• 1:23:22
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, but it actually gets worse.
• 1:23:26
  SPEAKER_02: Imagine that you have that barcode, but somebody comes along with a black marker and they cross out two of the most important lines in that barcode and they become totally unreadable.
• 1:23:38
  SPEAKER_02: So that's what happened to the Lyme diagnostic test in 1994.
• 1:23:43
  SPEAKER_02: I call this the infamous missing bands.
• 1:23:45
  SPEAKER_02: These are band 31 and 34, different than the proteins.
• 1:23:49
  SPEAKER_02: These are bands 31 and 34.
• 1:23:51
  SPEAKER_02: These bands are highly specific markers for Lyme disease.
• 1:23:55
  SPEAKER_02: So in immunology, highly specific means that if your blood reacts to them, it is not a fluke.
• 1:24:01
  SPEAKER_02: It's not a random cross-reaction from something else.
• 1:24:05
  SPEAKER_02: It means almost without a doubt, you've encountered Lyme or the bacteria that causes Lyme.
• 1:24:12
  SPEAKER_02: So if there was going to be a smoking gun like these bands, why on earth would the medical establishment erase them from the test?
• 1:24:22
  SPEAKER_02: We have to travel back to a major medical meeting called the Dearborn Conference in 1994.
• 1:24:29
  SPEAKER_02: Pharmaceutical companies were racing to create a Lyme disease vaccine, and one of them succeeded.
• 1:24:35
  SPEAKER_02: It was called LymeRix.
• 1:24:36
  SPEAKER_02: The active ingredient in LymeRix was a synthesized version of band 31.
• 1:24:42
  SPEAKER_02: The vaccine worked by tricking your body into making antibodies to that exact highly specific protein.
• 1:24:52
  SPEAKER_02: But the scientists at that Dearborn conference realized they had a massive problem on their hands.
• 1:24:58
  SPEAKER_02: If they rolled out that vaccine, that meant that every vaccinated person would suddenly test positive for Lyme using the Western blot test.
• 1:25:07
  SPEAKER_02: The test would not be able to tell the difference between a natural infection from a tick and the synthetic immunity given from the needle.
• 1:25:16
  SPEAKER_02: So they had to clear the runway for the vaccine by removing the goalpost.
• 1:25:22
  SPEAKER_02: They voted to completely remove band 31 and 34 from the official scoring sheet.
• 1:25:28
  SPEAKER_02: So if a patient's blood lit up on those bands, the labs were told to just ignore them.
• 1:25:34
  SPEAKER_02: But here's the ultimate tragedy.
• 1:25:38
  SPEAKER_02: That vaccine isn't even around anymore.
• 1:25:40
  SPEAKER_02: LimeRix was pulled from the market, I believe it was 2002.
• 1:25:45
  SPEAKER_02: It had massive problems with it, massive side effects.
• 1:25:49
  SPEAKER_02: So nobody has been vaccinating with this vaccine-induced band 31 antibodies anymore.
• 1:25:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's been decades.
• 1:25:56
  SPEAKER_02: If you test positive for those bands today, you almost certainly have a natural Lyme infection.
• 1:26:04
  SPEAKER_02: But the CDC did not update the criteria.
• 1:26:07
  SPEAKER_02: So those bands are still excluded from your official score sheet in the Western blot.
• 1:26:14
  SPEAKER_02: So to me, this just goes to show that if you're talking about our food or you're talking about lab results, you have to look past the labels.
• 1:26:24
  SPEAKER_02: If you're dealing with some kind of mysterious chronic like set of symptoms and you've been told that the standard Lyme test was negative, if it was me, I would look at the actual lab results from myself.
• 1:26:37
  SPEAKER_02: I would look for band 31, band 34.
• 1:26:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I would actually go to a specialty lab like um Igenix, um Ig E-N E X, um, where you can send in your sample and they'll test you for um multiple, uh multiple bands and also, you know, the presence of multiple, and also for co-infections.
• 1:27:03
  SPEAKER_02: You could also send the tick in there.
• 1:27:05
  SPEAKER_02: So I would do that if it was me personally, and I did do that when my son was um was bit by a tick and had um we were we were thinking that he had symptoms of Lyme or a co infection.
• 1:27:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I sent um I sent off his blood to the to IGNX lab.
• 1:27:26
  SPEAKER_02: But anyway, just another example of how people with Lyme are having a difficult time in our system, and that there seems to be something going on in the system.
• 1:27:37
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if it's a cover-up, if it's some kind of corruption, if it's just uh they don't want to pay out for the treatment, but something's definitely going on here.
• 1:27:45
  SPEAKER_02: Hopefully, we're gonna get to the bottom of this with um Kennedy's inquiries and also with the government accountability report.
• 1:27:53
  SPEAKER_02: How do we actually heal from these conditions?
• 1:27:58
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, we're gonna walk through that.
• 1:28:00
  SPEAKER_02: In just a moment, let's start with uh long COVID.
• 1:28:03
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, so whether long Lyme or actually long COVID, um, you need to clear out that residual biological debris.
• 1:28:13
  SPEAKER_02: And one thing, one method that's really good is is autophagy, it's which is self-eating.
• 1:28:20
  SPEAKER_02: So it's your body's cellular recycling system.
• 1:28:23
  SPEAKER_02: And what happens is when it's working correctly, it identifies the those broken proteins or dead bacteria or damaged components of cells.
• 1:28:32
  SPEAKER_02: It digests them and flushes them out of the body.
• 1:28:36
  SPEAKER_02: So if monocytes are holding on to Borelia fragments and your body's staying inflamed, um, that means most likely autophagy, um, that process in your body has been stalled.
• 1:28:48
  SPEAKER_02: So there's different ways that you can get autophagy to kind of jump start, you know, start working again.
• 1:28:55
  SPEAKER_02: One is uh intermittent fasting.
• 1:28:58
  SPEAKER_02: It's a natural trigger for um autophagy.
• 1:29:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um one is uh with physical stress on the body, so um exercise induced.
• 1:29:10
  SPEAKER_02: Uh one is getting good quality sleep and um sinking your circadian rhythm to nature, to sunrise and sunset.
• 1:29:20
  SPEAKER_02: Some people do heat and cold exposure.
• 1:29:23
  SPEAKER_02: And um, but all of these are you you need to work with a skilled practitioner, somebody who is familiar with Lyme and helping people heal from Lyme and co-infections, uh, because you can strain the body too much where it's not ready to do it yet.
• 1:29:44
  SPEAKER_02: So, for example, you want to, when you're trying to heal from any of these conditions, it's the same basic roadmap.
• 1:29:53
  SPEAKER_02: You want to make sure that you're addressing toxicities and deficiencies.
• 1:29:58
  SPEAKER_02: And you may, depending on how severe your case is, you may need to do that before you even start clearing the borrelia or the cellular debris or co-infections from the body.
• 1:30:09
  SPEAKER_02: So you want to basically get the body cleaned up as much as possible so that your detox pathways, for example, can get back online and start working effectively and efficiently before you start stressing the body again with trying to get it to release these um, you know, these persistent bacteria in the body.
• 1:30:33
  SPEAKER_02: So, for example, you'll want to make sure that you don't have any heavy metals in the body or mycotoxins.
• 1:30:42
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you also want to make sure you're, you know, eating clean.
• 1:30:46
  SPEAKER_02: So you're not taking in pesticides and herbicides, you know, things like that, man-made chemicals.
• 1:30:52
  SPEAKER_02: So basically try to eat, you know, real foods, um, organic or beyond grown.
• 1:30:59
  SPEAKER_02: Know which food sensitivities and or allergies you have and stop eating those foods.
• 1:31:04
  SPEAKER_02: Because again, the whole purpose here is you're trying to bring the body back into some type of balance so you can lower the level of inflammation and get the um get the your detoxification pathways revved up and back online.
• 1:31:19
  SPEAKER_02: At the same time that you're looking for toxicities, you're looking for deficiencies.
• 1:31:23
  SPEAKER_02: You're trying to see if you have any micronutrient deficiencies, any vitamin mineral deficiencies, because those will also slow down your um ability to detoxify potentially and to be able to heal yourself from these, um, from a Lyme infection or co-infection.
• 1:31:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um, exposure to EMF is also uh increasingly becoming more likely that it keeps the borrelia you know active in the body, just like heavy metals do.
• 1:31:53
  SPEAKER_02: So when I look at borrelia in the body or one of these co-infections, um, as you know, I don't like the word infection, they're in the tick is injecting something into your body.
• 1:32:05
  SPEAKER_02: But sometimes people have symptoms from that, and sometimes people don't.
• 1:32:12
  SPEAKER_02: I spoke with a Lyme expert just this week who said that he believes that practically everybody has this form of borrelia in their bodies, but not everybody is responding to it negatively.
• 1:32:22
  SPEAKER_02: Some people are just living alongside it with no um perceived symptoms, and some people are have are being are their lives are flipped upside down, they're just debilitated from it.
• 1:32:35
  SPEAKER_02: So why is there this difference?
• 1:32:38
  SPEAKER_02: One example is borelia seem to flourish when there's heavy metals.
• 1:32:44
  SPEAKER_02: That's why I said you need to make sure you don't have, you know, heavy metal buildup in your body.
• 1:32:50
  SPEAKER_02: So the idea is one of terrain theory, that you already have an environment in the body that is allowing this borrelia bacteria to flourish in your body versus somebody who doesn't have symptoms from it, the borrelia maybe isn't flourishing like it is in your body because they don't have the heavy metals, for example.
• 1:33:13
  SPEAKER_02: So the internal environment of the individual, um, I believe can largely determine what type of symptoms you're going to experience, if any at all.
• 1:33:25
  SPEAKER_02: That goes for borrelia, that goes for coinfections, that also goes for alpha gal syndrome.
• 1:33:34
  SPEAKER_02: And that's why when we're looking to reverse these conditions, you need to look at cleaning up your internal environment.
• 1:33:42
  SPEAKER_02: So it's your physical environment, heavy metals, mycotoxins, exposure to EMFs, exposure to glyphosate or other pesticides and herbicides, and the list goes on.
• 1:33:54
  SPEAKER_02: Then there's also the mental component and the emotional component and the spiritual component that creates the terrain that's inside um and throughout your body.
• 1:34:05
  SPEAKER_02: Those all need to be addressed.
• 1:34:07
  SPEAKER_02: And I would say, you know, for me personally, I would address those first.
• 1:34:12
  SPEAKER_02: And then I'm trying to um have my body uh manage the borelia and you know get back into balance.
• 1:34:21
  SPEAKER_02: So that's why I'm like it's it's a the Lyme story, the Alpha Gal story is not a simple story.
• 1:34:27
  SPEAKER_02: It is a complex story with many different facets, and we didn't even cover all of the stuff that I found out today, but I know we're almost out of time and we want to get to at least some kind of solutions, you know.
• 1:34:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um so, real quick, um, they're both reversible.
• 1:34:42
  SPEAKER_02: Alpha Gal actually will sometimes um reverse on itself.
• 1:34:47
  SPEAKER_02: A high percentage actually reverses on itself.
• 1:34:49
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and for the rest, they you can actually reverse it.
• 1:34:55
  SPEAKER_02: It just means that you you're not in balance yet.
• 1:34:58
  SPEAKER_02: You need to restore the balance of your terrain.
• 1:35:01
  SPEAKER_02: It, you know, not just your gastrointestinal tract, but your entire body.
• 1:35:05
  SPEAKER_02: And we'll get to that in just a moment.
• 1:35:06
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, Lyme is reversible, many cases of it being reversed.
• 1:35:11
  SPEAKER_02: And my husband actually reversed Lyme.
• 1:35:13
  SPEAKER_02: He had chronic Lyme.
• 1:35:14
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, valve palsy was one of the symptoms that they attributed to Lyme.
• 1:35:18
  SPEAKER_02: It kept coming back uh because standard medicine uh treatment is not typically adequate.
• 1:35:28
  SPEAKER_02: So in standard medicine, they're going after the borelia, right?
• 1:35:33
  SPEAKER_02: And so what they tend to do is to target it with antibiotics, and they're finding that um even a short a short period of antibiotics doesn't always work.
• 1:35:45
  SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of relapse that's happening, and even potentially more relapse than what is documented, because symptoms don't always match what the CDC outlines as common symptoms.
• 1:35:59
  SPEAKER_02: There's multiple types of symptoms you can have.
• 1:36:01
  SPEAKER_02: It's not just, oh, achy joints and whatnot, you know, like brain fog and things.
• 1:36:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so people are going undiagnosed.
• 1:36:09
  SPEAKER_02: But what happens is they're giving this course of antibiotics and it's and it's daily.
• 1:36:14
  SPEAKER_02: And what we're finding, and we've known for a while, is that the best treatment is pulsing.
• 1:36:21
  SPEAKER_02: You need to pulse it.
• 1:36:22
  SPEAKER_02: Uh germ theory would say you're just trying to eradicate it.
• 1:36:28
  SPEAKER_02: So hit it and hit it hard, you know, hit it continuously.
• 1:36:31
  SPEAKER_02: That's failing.
• 1:36:33
  SPEAKER_02: So if you catch it really, really, really early and you give it uh you give antibiotics, they're saying that it kills off the borrelia or at least enough that you're not having the symptoms.
• 1:36:47
  SPEAKER_02: But what I'm saying is, I'm disagreeing with that.
• 1:36:50
  SPEAKER_02: I think that even in cases where they're saying it goes away, you've now set yourself up for more problems because when you killed off the borrelia, you've also killed off part of your microbiome.
• 1:37:01
  SPEAKER_02: So you haven't actually rebalanced your terrain.
• 1:37:03
  SPEAKER_02: You've now just made yourself more susceptible to the next insult or the borrelia multiplying and coming back, it would not staying in balance because you killed off the good guys to help balance the, you know, keep the borrelia in balance.
• 1:37:17
  SPEAKER_02: So in in research right now, they're doing studies where they're testing this pulsing theory and they're having good success with it.
• 1:37:29
  SPEAKER_02: So pulsing means you would give an antibiotic for a few days, certain amount of days, and then you would get off of it.
• 1:37:34
  SPEAKER_02: And then you get on it and you would get off of it.
• 1:37:36
  SPEAKER_02: One reason is because Borellia is very smart.
• 1:37:39
  SPEAKER_02: It can shift shapes, and so it can sense that the antibiotic is present and it will change its shape and in essence hide from the back from the antibiotic.
• 1:37:50
  SPEAKER_02: So you have to remove the antibiotic, then it thinks it's safe, and then you hit it again once it's come out of hiding.
• 1:37:57
  SPEAKER_02: So pulsing is is is is key, and that's regardless of taking a Western antibiotic or an herbal remedy, you know.
• 1:38:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but you have to do several things.
• 1:38:08
  SPEAKER_02: You have to um you have to take a holistic approach.
• 1:38:14
  SPEAKER_02: So that means you're actually gonna use some kind of rebalancing agent.
• 1:38:20
  SPEAKER_02: I choose herbs.
• 1:38:22
  SPEAKER_02: You're gonna need to rebuild the gut and you need to clear whatever toxins had been um created in your body or toxins that you've been exposed to, but exposed to.
• 1:38:33
  SPEAKER_02: And then you need to make sure that you replenish any nutrients that are lost.
• 1:38:37
  SPEAKER_02: It comes back to the same thing I always talk about, Joel.
• 1:38:39
  SPEAKER_02: You need to address the toxicities and the deficiencies.
• 1:38:42
  SPEAKER_02: So to really clear yourself from what they would call an infection or what I would call an imbalance, uh, you need to make sure that you've checked for toxins, heavy metals, you know, glyphosate, mycotoxins, for example.
• 1:38:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you need to check for deficiencies of micronutrients, and you need to make sure you don't have leaky gut.
• 1:39:05
  SPEAKER_02: And then you rebalance it with herbs.
• 1:39:08
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, a couple quick notes.
• 1:39:09
  SPEAKER_02: Johns Hawkins actually has come out with some studies showing that um herbs and essential oils are very um, they're actually in some cases more helpful in Lyme disease than the antibiotics.
• 1:39:31
  SPEAKER_02: So I'll publish those studies.
• 1:39:34
  SPEAKER_02: They they've recommended certain um herbs such as um black walnut, Japanese knotweed, sweet wormwood, cat's claw, um, Chinese skull cap, and more, and um essential oils from garlic, for example.
• 1:39:50
  SPEAKER_02: And they they've actually done studies on these and shown them to be um some of these to be stronger in you know managing the bacteria.
• 1:40:01
  SPEAKER_02: So things like garlic cloves, myrrh, thyme, cinnamon bark, allspice, and cumin.
• 1:40:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so there is a natural treatment, but you do need to pulse all these things and you need to take a holistic approach.
• 1:40:14
  SPEAKER_02: You can't just do this, oh, it's fall into this germ theory trap, and I'm just targeting this one organism because lots of people are not affected by those organisms that you're being affected by.
• 1:40:23
  SPEAKER_02: So you have to figure out what is it in your body that's causing you to be affected by it.
• 1:40:30
  SPEAKER_00: Huh.
• 1:40:30
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's great.
• 1:40:31
  SPEAKER_00: All right, did that make sense?
• 1:40:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's that's what you call uh galloping to the end with some solutions, but that's a that that that's an issue.
• 1:40:38
  SPEAKER_00: And it's uh I'm I I I know I know it's a big issue.
• 1:40:43
  SPEAKER_00: So um did we did we get covered what you want?
• 1:40:47
  SPEAKER_00: We're yeah, we're out of time.
• 1:40:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we're out of time.
• 1:40:49
  SPEAKER_02: So I'll just quickly mention two quick things.
• 1:40:51
  SPEAKER_02: There's homeopathic remedies that you can use as well.
• 1:40:54
  SPEAKER_02: Wild roseberry, rosemary, um, borelia, um no sode, for example, uh symptomatic support like roost tax, um um arsenicum album.
• 1:41:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um, there's lots of them.
• 1:41:08
  SPEAKER_02: And as you know, homeopathy, just like herbs, it's individualized.
• 1:41:12
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm just giving you some starting points.
• 1:41:15
  SPEAKER_02: Uh then there is a treatment that actually you sent to me, Joel.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's called SAAT.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is being called a breakthrough treatment.
• 1:41:30
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, this was actually published in a peer-reviewed study in the Journal of Medical Acupuncture, and they investigated this SAAT method.
• 1:41:40
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, basically, this is for alpha gal.
• 1:41:43
  SPEAKER_02: So a patient holds a sealed glass file containing the alpha gal carbohydrate.
• 1:41:48
  SPEAKER_02: That's an indirect exposure.
• 1:41:50
  SPEAKER_02: It actually can trigger a drop in the electrical um resistance of the skin at a point uh on the ear.
• 1:41:59
  SPEAKER_02: And this is measured.
• 1:42:00
  SPEAKER_02: It's quite fascinating.
• 1:42:02
  SPEAKER_02: It this is a similar, uh similar thought process to how homeopathy works, right?
• 1:42:09
  SPEAKER_02: Homeopathy works through imprinting the water.
• 1:42:12
  SPEAKER_02: These are like energetic imprints on the water.
• 1:42:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it and by the way, if you look at homeopathy and these, you know, alternative like natural therapies, even herbs, they could they abandon this kill the bug mentality of germ theory.
• 1:42:26
  SPEAKER_02: They operate on this principle of self-healing and terrain theory, where they're trying to rebalance the body.
• 1:42:33
  SPEAKER_02: So it's a totally different approach.
• 1:42:34
  SPEAKER_02: But anyway, I'll link a, I'll link this study, this SAAT study, because what they're able to do is look at 137 patients.
• 1:42:42
  SPEAKER_02: For the ones that they were able to follow up with, 96% of these people went into complete remission from having Alpha Gauss syndrome.
• 1:42:50
  SPEAKER_02: They were slowly and safely able to reintroduce beef and dairy products back into their lives.
• 1:42:56
  SPEAKER_02: So, caution, this is a retrospective study.
• 1:42:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's not a double-lined placebo-controlled, but it is a low-risk, non-invasive option for anyone who's suffering from this that wants to try to get their uh body back in balance and heal from Alpha Gal.
• 1:43:11
  SPEAKER_02: So all that will be included.
• 1:43:13
  SPEAKER_02: There's lots of options.
• 1:43:14
  SPEAKER_00: Great, super.
• 1:43:15
  SPEAKER_00: So, so how about a question being being um have you have you had Limes or Alpha Gal and gone into remission?
• 1:43:26
  SPEAKER_00: And and if you did, what was your protocol?
• 1:43:28
  SPEAKER_00: I think we'd love to hear, because this is a this is a I mean, we're we're in the livestock business here.
• 1:43:33
  SPEAKER_00: We sell a lot of beef, and uh so we're hearing, you know, more and more, and it just it really uh pains me when somebody comes in the store and says, Well, I can't I can't buy any beef because you know I've got Alpha Gal.
• 1:43:46
  SPEAKER_00: And uh it's happening more and more.
• 1:43:48
  SPEAKER_00: So um if you've had it and been in a remission, or you know, have a friend or somebody that you know has had it and gotten in remission, uh tell us the story.
• 1:43:58
  SPEAKER_00: We'd love to hear it.
• 1:43:59
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• 1:44:04
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