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com slash True Crime and Wine Time. So what you got for us,
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Well, you know, you usually think about some of the common cults,
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and I was trying to find something that was a little different, something that
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maybe somebody, you know, not everybody heard of. And I can at
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least speak for myself that I have never heard of this cult. So when
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you mentioned that, here, here's the funny thing. The more different they
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are, the more they seem the same. And we kind of expect that.
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And I'm gonna be talking about the cult Love has one about this.
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Yeah, So this is fun. It's a lot of fun. Fun in
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a good way, You're fun in a crazy way. It's crazy, it's
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insane. It's been through a few different phases with a bunch of different names,
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and I'm gonna mention them right now. The first ones, Love has
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Won. Then it became the Galactic Federation of Light. Then it became the
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Church Ministry of Mother of All Creation, and it is currently known as five
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D full disclosure. That's right, D like David Dog five D like like
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not three D forty, but five D the fifth dimension. Okay, all
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right, So you can kind of get a feel for where we're going with
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this one just by hearing the names. Love Has Won is a combination of
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a lot of things. It's just kind of mixed up enough so that you
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can't pinpoint one thing about it that would initially worry you, not if you
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were like looking for, you know, a sense of belonging or whatever.
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But we'll kind of get into that a little bit later. So in terms
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of the origins, the religious movement was led by Amy Carlson, and she
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was born November thirtieth, seventy five. She died April of twenty twenty one.
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She was referred to within the group as Mother God. Yeah, yeah,
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I know, you don't usually see too many female led cults, right,
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I know. And Mother God. Wow. I mean I don't have
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Mother Trucker, but never Mother God. So the group had They had a
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few different numbers reported regarding the size of the cult, but they all kind
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of seemed to land within the realm of twelve and twenty four full time members
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that lived with her when she died, so he could be part full time
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members. Well, I think I think what they're considering is in person full
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time, but like virtually part time. Oh okay, yeah, because this
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this branches um. So Amy grew up in Dallas, Texas. Blonde.
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Um. You know, at a certain point I just stopped paying attention to
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what she looked like. I'm gonna be honest with you, but she was
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pretty much a straight a student. Her mother and father divorced when she was
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a child. She first lived with her father, but then joined her mother
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and stepfather a few years later. Sorry, I just poured wine instead of
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in the class all over my party fall. I am so sorry. That
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was very rude. Okay, I'm at a poor over here now. So
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her family was middle class in Texas, and Carlson not only made good grades,
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but she also sang in the school choir. When she was in the
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early adult phase in her life, she kind of liked to talk about what
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people would deem outlandish concepts, including things like starships. So things are kind
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of going left. In two thousands, she started getting into New Age philosophy.
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Quote it's highly eclectic and unsystematic structure. Makes a precise, deficient definition
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difficult. Although many scholars consider it a religious movement, it's adherents typically see
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it as spiritual or as unifying mind body spirit, and rarely use the term
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New Age themselves. You know, I think the purpose of using this is
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to misdirect and confuse people, because the definition itself is confusing. Yeah,
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just a little bit right. According to her mom at the point, you
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know, when she was younger, the only problem was that her daughter always
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made poor choices when it came to men. So we all, I mean,
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you know, I was gonna say, you know, I think we
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all have made poor choices when it comes to men or women or both,
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you know, depends. I'm on marriage number three, So it took me
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three times to find a good one, once twice, three times in double
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h yep, Hey, at least I hit the jackpot third time. Here
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you go. This, this, this thought in terms of men, came
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to a head really in twenty twelve in regards to the New Age. I
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just made the mistake of googling her. Yeah, and see the headline.
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Yeah, it just has me in shock. I did ump you jumped the
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shark? I did? I know nothing and I'm like, how could I
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not know about this? That's how I felt, too, especially having been
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like, you know, six plus years steeped in true crime. Right,
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yeah, I'm like, what is wrong with me? Okay, keep going,
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I'm not going to read. I need to know more. So,
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in regards to New Age philosophy, she used to post on forms where she
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met somebody called a Marath White Eagle now, which really honestly sounds like he
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put together a lot of clothing for young children. Now listen. The reality
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is, I don't know what happened between the two of them, but White
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Eagle convinced her that she was divine. So I bet it didn't take a
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lot of convincing. Just a little bit of wine. Um, that's fine.
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After a couple well, we know that's true. Around that time,
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Carlson started saying she was experiencing something with paranormal phenomena. So after that,
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she apparently had a thing for the s White Eagle. Feller. Uh,
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and yes, I said, Feller, Uh, you're welcome. I'm speaking
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the language of your people. Uh, I'm just kidding. I give you
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a hard time because I love you. I know it's okay. But so
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in two thousand and seven, she decided to leave. It's so funny you
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said it earlier. She decided to leave her third husband. She left her
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third husband, her children, and her job as a manager of Victor Ronald's.
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Um, wait a minute, was did you what was this guy's name
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that convinced her she was to find? Was his name? Calf? No?
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I'm sorry. So so she was thirty two at the time. So
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she was on her third marriage at thirty two, which is totally fine.
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It's I don't judge, it's whatever. Timelines or timelines. Um, people
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are different strokes for different folks, right, mm hmm, you're doing math
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right. I'm trying to figure out how old I was I married handsome hobby.
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I was thirty four, two years it, right. I just had
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to make sure I haven't fully insulted you. Only about twenty five percent.
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We know, hey, heavy number two it was Annuld, So oh,
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okay, I could say I haven't even married twice, but I did marry
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the second one two times, and you said Annuld. I just want to
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tell you that in high school I once was reading from the social Studies book
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and I pronounced Annul the wrong way, and I think you. Yes,
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yes, um k K Henry wanted to be an old um so, which
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might have been true, but we'll just leave that in the butt. You're
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learning a whole bunch of stuff that's not in the script, y'all. Ah,
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I am loving that. Uh Okay, sour monkey, You're welcome.
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That's what you get with so bread and butter, m And sorry I'm gonna
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interrupt. Are you the bread and I'm the butter? Or am I the
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bread and you're the butter? I think you're much smoother than I am.
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Bro. You know, I'll be a product of wheat. It's fine,
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Okay, I'll be the butter, but but I am definitely white bread.
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I think everybody knows this, um so yeah right, no, not me.
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She was thirty two at the time. Uh and she just straight up
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left her family at Thanksgiving dinner and she never came back. Just in the
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middle of Thanksgiving dinner. You just straight up was like, all right,
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it's time to go bye. Why don't know how many kids to relieve?
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Three? I think I think it's three two, three husbands and three kids.
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Okay, yeah, something along those lines. She was busy and a
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lot of ways, you know, I think living with men is difficult anyways,
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so you know, try being married to men with me. So listen.
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She ran off with a mareth white eagle. He called himself Father God
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and her mother God and Carlson started speaking of spaceships and ascension and all this
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other kind of stuff. What Eagle introduced Carlson to the I'm gonna call it
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the Creston area. It's kind of pronounced it looks like it's pronounced Crestone,
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but I believe I think it's actually Creston. I'm probably overthinking it, but
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this is known kind of Creston is known as a spiritual place that brings around
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people trying to find healing for body and soul. And apparently it didn't work
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great because a couple of years later she parted ways with him, and from
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then on there were a series of other men who also became known as father
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Gods to her Mother God. Easier than knowing their names, It's true,
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hey fg, I mean much easier. I don't know. I like I
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like double h better, different different strokes, whatever floats. So early on,
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the cult was known as a Galactic Federation of Light, and the mission
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was more kind of like a hippie commune that was focused on sex drugs in
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a good time. Okay, that's cool, Mike. I'm okay with that.
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Whatever you want to do, whatever I want to do, if you're
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consenting, and it's adults have fun exactly. So around that time, her
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mom couldn't do anything about it, you know, Carlson's mom. She said,
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quote, yeah, she was messed up, but she was healthy and
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knew what she was doing. So I mean, what are you gonna do?
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So in terms of the group doctor and her beliefs, we've kind of
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discussed the beginning, so let's take a break kind of from the timeline talk
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about what they believe in. And this is it's fascinating because the huge basically
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amalgamation of different things and their theology is what I would describe really as fluid,
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and it combines kind of New Age spirituality like I mentioned, with conspiracy
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theories, with pieces from mainstream Abrahamic religions. It gets all in there.
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And I think I talk about this pertly, right, but there's also pieces
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kind of of a little bit of scientology too, or it's just the way
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that they's weird. It's all kinds of things. It was enough to confuse
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me. So I'm sure that anybody who's looking for a place of belonging who
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thinks this might be for them, it's enough to confuse them in a way
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where they think they get it, but they don't know what's coming. Most
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of the you know, the folks in this cult believe that Carlson was a
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divine, nineteen billion year old being who birthed all of creation. You know,
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if you think and if you've been told that you have an ego,
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you know what I mean, Wow, it gets better Carlson. Carlson herself
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said she was reincarnated five hundred and thirty four times, to include living as
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Joan of Arc, Jesus, Marilyn Monroe, oh, and Cleopatra. Oh
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how dare she touched Marilyn? Well she's not the only one. Um.
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So she also believed I just made a lot of enemies. I would be
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like, I'm just like but Joanna Bart, Cleopet, Wow, Jesus,
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Jesus was there too. Oh you know what, whoever whatever anybody like of
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those the follow everybody Christ, whoever they cherished, she probably was like,
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oh, yeah, it was them, just to bring them in further.
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Um. She also believed that she would leave one hundred and forty four thousand
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people into a mystical fifth dimension and the group. The group has also adopted
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pieces of QAnon conspiracy because you know, why not? Why not? This
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includes, of course, the ideal or idea that there is an underground pedophilic
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ring of people who run the world. Um pizza Gate. But wait,
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they're there's more. The world was run by quote cabal determined to keep the
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planet in quote low vibration state. Y'all. I can't like really yeah,
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you know, And I will say this for for a Patreon on, like
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you know, the other brew Crime, my other show. We're actually reading
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a academic book about qan on. Wait you read I know, isn't that
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amazing? How do you I I just treat them like hieroglyphics, and I
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just you know, interpret and assume that. I know y'all doing a special
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coverage of that for the Patreon Yeah, yeah, every now and again.
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Most of the time we'll just read silly, silly cult stuff, like we
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actually read the Proud Boys onboarding documents, which is wild. Okay, I'm
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gonna have to go join y'all's paton. Yeah, we have a lot of
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fun. We've hit a lot of cult slash conspiracy theory stuff lately because well
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that just happens to be what's going on now. It's exactly. It's Mike,
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yeah, and it's Mike right, me too, but Mike too.
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It's like your hoppy holidays. It's true. Oh god, it's true.
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So the group believe Carlson was queen of the lost continent of Lemuria, which
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is part of the hollow Earth theory. The group, so now we're pulling
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in hollow Earth. They believe that Lamiians lived, didn't Mount Shasta in California,
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which honestly, if it's named Shasta, it's probably second rate and from
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kmart. So I don't know what to tell you. Hey, I've know's
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and mine Shasta back in the day. Especially when it's combined mostly with alcohol,
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it's a great mixer. No, there was a time back when I
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was doing chemo in Texas. For whatever reason Shasta was they donated their products
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to the cancer hospital so that you didn't have extra bills for those kind of
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things. So lemon line Shasta is something that I never thought of mixing out
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with the alcohol because I related to health. I retract all of my insults
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to share. It's okay, but I will say this, Shasta is very
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popular military bases, and I have had my fair share of shasta. It's
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not your drink of choice, but it's not pepsi no, but sometimes it's
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just really hard to find bourbon in a restaurant. So that's true. So
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the group believe that I said that. Carl Wilson also stated that Donald Trump
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was her father. I picked a really odd time. I don't time to
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say that, for Terry is about to spin out in a while. My
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god, oh this is great. So she probably is not wrong, right,
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So she stated that DT was her dad in a past life, and
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she had spoken to the spirit of deceased actor Robert and Williams. She said
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that he was the archangel zed keel z Kiel. I don't know. I'm
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a Catholic, but I don't actually know things. I just, you know,
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uh, assume people are right where they tell me things. But yeah,
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so there's actually like video of her either talking to Robin Williams or explaining
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what he says to her, or which I just find insulting because Rob Williams
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is I'm like pressure. That's just that's just wrong on so many levels.
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Yeah. Um. They also make references to Atlantis and Anachi and the Reptilians
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because why not just a thought, Robin Williams. Could it be that he
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played Mark It's very positive. I mean, I'm just thinking galactic more Robin
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Williams. Honestly, it's it's a very just made me think that could it
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be because he was Mork from Ork or something or yeah, I love,
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Oh my gosh, I love. So that's just my thought, Robin Williams,
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you know, because she doesn't seem like a person who's into comedy,
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but he was more from work, so he was a space being like eyes.
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Okay, home, So the original father God has gone as of twenty
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fourteen, right. White Eagle and Carlson then gained her first follower, mcguel
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Lamboy the same year, and then the group began to grow from there.
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Uh. They traveled between Colorado, Oregon, California, and Florida a lot
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like Mormons, they just kind of traveled around until they find a spot.
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I'm surprised they didn't find a home in Florida. You know, that just
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seems like a place that would accept them. But they ended up settling in
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Moffatt, Colorado. Her dad didn't give her space at Marlocco in two thousand
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and four, maybe so around mid twenty eighteen, that's basically when they settled,
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and that's when things seemed to get darker and a little bit more bizarre.
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Jason Castillo came into the picture as the next Father God, and in
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twenty and eighteen the group also changed their name to Love Has Won. Upon
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reaching Moffatt, they rented a home in Casita Park, which was in a
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larger residential area known as Bacca Grande. And this is quote considered sacred grounds
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to the Hopie and other Native American tribes, and the couple who developed it
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in the nineteen seventies agreed to preserve space and preserved space to bring together different
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religions to promote harmony and peace. After the wife was visited by a prophet,
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so oh no, oh, no, we've run out of our first
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bottle of wine, y'all. And I say, first, knowing that maybe
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there's a second coming. This is getting crazy because I'm like going, okay,
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right, and as long as it's not the second Coming of Carlson,
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will be fine. So permission to live in that area is selective. There
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are retreats for Carmelites, Buddhists and Hindus there. So someone from what is
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basically the owner's association of the area, so that they would have never,
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never qualified to live there. So how did they get there? Well,
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they got around it by getting someone to rent them a house. And the
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person who they had rent the house was relative for the property owner, who
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also ended up getting involved in the cults. Work around, right, connections,
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It's all about connections. So Lamb Boy who was known as Archangel Michael,
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because why not, he was the first follower. Like I said,
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he bought a property there, so they were renting. They ended up buying
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a property there for sixty three thousand dollars lucky them, and they had a
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permanent place to stay. And then Lamb Boy also took love his one to
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the level of a five O one C three status from the IRS and that
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was in twenty twenty. Yeah. Yeah, that's where I started drawing the
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whole full scientology shit connections. That's just that's just no our sorry, government.
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We need to get our ship together when it comes to stuff like this.
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Yeah, Oh, for sure, there needs to be a review.
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They need to do a big old list review. You put somebody who goes
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there, go undercover, whatever, send somebody go check it out. See
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it really is. So this story is full of left turns um for a
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very brief period of time. In twenty twenty, the group decided to move
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to Kawai in Hawaii. Yep. See uh huh. So they were met
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with a massive amount of back rush. Why could you guess? Why do
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you know? Why is she gonna say that she's one of their um they
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don't call him queens there, Um, you are right on the money.
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Carlson said that she was the Hawaiian goddess Pele. Okay, yeah there,
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thank you, Oh my god. So there was a protest that went on
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from the locals for multiple days, and protesters lit driftwood fires, enchanted Hawaiian
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prayers and around the rental property. But you know, in short, the
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mayor of Kawhi ended up brokering their departure, like we got to get them
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out of here. Good job, right. That was because of the community,
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but also because at the time, and it was twenty twenty, they
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violated COVID protocols repeatedly all the time, and so they left from Kawai to
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Maui, and it almost seemed like they were going to stay in Maui,
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but then they finally were convinced to go back to Colorado. Thank god,
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I have friends that live in Maui. Don't get the man right. And
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that all happened within a month and a half, all of all those things.
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In September twenty twenty, the group was featured on Doctor Phil just thought
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of something. It's that cheap to fly to Hawaii and to live there.
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No are there? Did they have people? How did they pay for this?
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I know they became a follow one three seat, but where they taken
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to? I mean, if they only have twenty four members, did all
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twenty four of them fly there or just were in? Her father God?
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Well, if you got to if you think about this, the people who
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there, there's various types of people in levels of people who aren't belonging.
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But if you bring twenty four people in, you said that you're in this,
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you're living here. That means you have their money. You have their
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money, that's right, and then you spend it. How Most of them
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weren't millennials, so we weren't in constant debt so I'm guessing i'd have had
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money. I don't know. I'm not a millennial and I'm constant dad.
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It doesn't get better. I don't even know what generation I am. It's
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I feel like I'm a generation before millennial, but I'm not m I refuse
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to fully accept it, but there is there is a piece. There is
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an episode on Doctor Phil um in September of twenty twenty. You can look
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it up. If you look up Carlson Doctor Phil, it will come up.
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And as much as I really don't like Doctor Phil because of the fact
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that he's sparely start, yeah, well there's no way because we can't start
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anywhere that his hairline doesn't and his hairline doesn't start, so we're just not
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I met him before, Did you really? How did that go for you?
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He used to be on the Kid Kradic show in Dallas a whole lot
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and met him at one of the golf tournament things that were going on,
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and he was there with Kid Kradic and Weird Owl. So no, no,
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stop, stop, My brain is going to explode right now. Why
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was weird now with Doctor Phil not Weird al Yankovic. Weird Owl is the
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name of a DJ that was on the kid credit. Okay, I found
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imagine new it was not that fabulous. I was like, do not blow
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my brain up. No, weird al was trying to get me to cheat
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on my husband. So yeah, but no, Doctor phil was at the
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height of going up. It was when people thought he was doing a lot
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of good and before he went very Jerry Springer, know what you need to
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do is you need to watch your backswing. Um, so Carlson and two
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other members. So yeah, anyway, so as much as I hate Doctor
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Philip, that episode is fascinating. That piece is fascinating, so I anybody
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will have to watch it. Yeah. Carlson and two other members were asked
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about the claims of abuse in the group, which they denied. But wait,
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what abuse. I haven't heard of abuse as far as I read,
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not sexual abuse, more along the lines of psychological flash physical. We will
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get into some of that shy, A whole lot of mind effing going on.
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So yeah, yeah, there's there's a lot of like yelling and screaming
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in in videos that are posted. You know, they're very well known for
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their live streams, very long ones. Great, so you know there were
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also recordings that were playing in that that showed the group making anti semitic and
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race system remarks two, which is very quan on to be honest with you.
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In terms of the abuse, as mentioned, you know, there were
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claims a group called Rising Above Love has Won, as well as a Facebook
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group called Love is One. Exposed watched a ton of their live stream videos
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from the group to prove it and quote. In one clip known within those
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circles as the Chicken Parmesan saga, Carlson brates a follower because he did not
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bring her chicken parmesan for dinner. She and Castillo, whose father their god,
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scream swear, threatened and berrate the man as he stands with his head
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down, and she says, my vision was chicken parmesan. So the I'm
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guessing fing Adams turn around on me and give me meatballs. I didn't say
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meatballs. Now, I love meatballs, but I didn't say that chicken parmesan.
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that wine flowing. So the following day, the man appeared on the live
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stream and explained his mistake, and he explains how and why that happened.
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And because Stillo can actually be heard off camera during the apology screaming, liar,
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you just lied. So there was a lot of coersion and control in
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the group, right, a drug steal, Yeah, I know. So
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what I wanted to do was in terms of coersion and control, I wanted
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to kind of give an example. A man who remains unnamed for many reasons,
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primarily so he can continue recovering, left his wife, two children,
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and a six figure income in Mississippi to join the cult. And this was
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in May twenty twenty. So in Mississippi he was making six figures and he
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left that. Yeah. Yeah, it's a combination of I think so COVID
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happened and I think so there was a lot more time on his hands,
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and we'll kind of briefly touch on that. So he discovered here it is
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we discovered he discovered the cult because of the constant live streams and the videos
30:37
that were put out daily, those are the gateway. So he had extra
30:40
time. He was kind of turned off to the whole COVID thing. He
30:45
was, as far as I remember, you know, uber, kind of
30:48
conservative ish and so he was, you know, looking for all kinds of
30:53
things, and so that's what he found and he was basically into He was
30:59
into QAnon as well, and so that went along with it and his research
31:03
into them, and you know that all proved it. And so where was
31:07
he changed our sixth? Sorry? What where was he on January sixth?
31:11
That's a great question. Sorry, he was so he served in the military.
31:17
He was a conservative Republican. That was part of the article at you
31:21
know, they lived in a five hundred thousand dollars house, um, which
31:26
nowadays could be a two bedroom now where you live William in California? Right.
31:30
Um, when he discovered Love is One, it was around the same
31:36
time, like I said, as COVID, he lost his job. So
31:37
he did lose his job. He had more time to peruse the internet,
31:41
um, which is really a bad thing if he's already ingesting the material right
31:48
now. Eventually he signed up for something that they called called um Ether Basically,
31:55
he signed up for what are called surgery sessions, and that's big as
32:00
he wanted to remove the negative energy and any sickness from his body. Okay,
32:07
even three beers in this doesn't sound like it makes sense, so that
32:13
does it? Okay? I know. So the cost was eighty eight dollars
32:16
a session, and in total he ended up giving the call to around fifteen
32:22
grande. He could have gotten three years of better help, right right right,
32:30
this is that's not even a sponsor. But I was like, that
32:32
is not a sponsor, ad But if they want to be one, they're
32:36
more than welcome to me. So his behavior quote his behavior at home became
32:39
more unsettling. He slept less, and he started following a schedule aligned with
32:44
the seven colors of the chakra, so on certain days he only ate foods,
32:49
certain foods, and more clothes that matched that day's color, as ordered
32:52
by the cult. The cult was so persuasive and coersive that they had their
32:59
fallers basically staring into the sun in order to get something they called light coats
33:06
that would damn your eyes. So eventually he decided to leave, and he
33:12
just one day just left the head to the airport mid May twenty twenty,
33:16
and his wife followed him because they were headed somewhere and all of a sudden
33:21
he took a left or when they were supposed to take a right, and
33:23
so anyways, the only thing he said was mother, God called me home.
33:29
And a day later he was on the live stream from Colorado. His
33:34
wife was immediately concerned. Now her brother in law, while watching the videos,
33:40
heard them say that his energy wasn't right, and then he was on
33:44
quote the wrong side at the mountain, leading to more concern, and her
33:49
husband was ended up being found wandering in the wilderness alone, naked, dehydrated,
33:54
with cactus needles in his feet, and quote, he'd stared at the
33:58
sun so much he'd burned his eye eyes terribly. So they had obviously sent
34:04
him, right, they sent him out. Yeah, So he then signed
34:09
himself out of the hospital, so they found him. He was sent to
34:14
the hospital. They called the family. He then signed himself out of the
34:20
hospital before anybody could get to him, and his wife and family asked for
34:23
help online and two people ended up offering and they found him sitting under a
34:28
bridge wearing his hospital attire. Why in God's name did they not do a
34:35
fifty one fifty. If you find somebody bare ass naked out there, don't
34:44
you lock them down for seventy two hours to make sure drugs are out of
34:50
their system. That you can get something into their system. People can show
34:54
up you or get police involved in case they were capped if and they can't.
35:01
I don't think drugs were in the system. That hospital failed. Yeah,
35:06
yeah, I know, but you don't just let I mean, you
35:07
just need to do your checks and balances. So quote, he thought he
35:14
had ascended the world into this five D matrix and had done what Mother God
35:19
and Father God wanted him to do, and we had to play that game
35:22
with him saying like, yes, you did it, You're done, in
35:25
order to get him to follow them. Right. So again, we're not
35:31
mentioning his name or anybody else's name, because he's he's around and he's still
35:37
recovering from that. He's going to be recovering for a long time. Oh,
35:43
I don't know if it'll ever be over. I was going to say,
35:45
I don't know. I think maybe you learn to cope and exists right
35:51
right. So, around that same time, Carlson was said to be in
35:55
a bad way healthwise, she said that she was paralyzed from the waist down.
36:01
She also said that she had cancer. April twenty one, they were
36:07
in an RV park in Mount Shasta, so they ended up going to Mount
36:12
Shasta. They thought the Lamerians, like I said, lived there, but
36:15
the RV park asked them to leave. April tenth, twenty twenty one,
36:21
was the last time that Carlson was seen alive. So again left turn get
36:27
ready, it gets worse. So prior to April tenth, Carlson was looking
36:30
pretty bad in the live streams that they did. And this is a lot
36:32
of how they got to kind of reach their people in terms of live streams
36:37
livestream on like YouTube. Yeah, yeah, they are very well known for
36:42
very long live streams. So Carlson's mother thought Carlson wanted medical care. So
36:51
and because of the October fifteenth, twenty twenty two, women discussed how she
36:53
would never go to a doctor. Why because the doctor didn't understand what ascending
36:58
was. Quote. There's been moments when mom has asked us to take her
37:02
to a community hospital. Nope, there's no way. We know how hijacking
37:07
works. So so there are pieces of her that are still around that said
37:16
take me to a hospital, right, And they call that hijacking. They
37:21
think that, right. I don't mean a man's playing that to anybody,
37:25
no, but I mean my brain. I was like going, wait a
37:29
minute, there's a piece of cognitive in there. There's a small piece that
37:34
like go to you know, right. So Carlson's brother doesn't believe that she
37:42
was a live April tenth because she spoke to the landlord in California or sorry,
37:46
she was a live April tenth. She spoke to the landlord in California,
37:51
and the landlord said she appeared she appeared to be dying. Six days
37:57
later, on April sixteenth, there's a photo of Castillo other God holding Carlson
38:00
in his arms. She was either dead or almost dead in the photo for
38:07
sure. And the photo moved around and was shared in one of the group's
38:10
private chat rooms, and it just forwarded out there is nothing private, no,
38:16
not at all. And her family started calling anyone that they could in
38:20
the area. They called police, ambulance, fire sheriffs, the DA and
38:23
Mount Shasta basically where she was last seen alive. And they wanted an answer,
38:29
or they wanted someone to at least get her out of there, and
38:31
everyone who arrived was turned away and there wasn't anything that deemed a wellness check
38:37
necessary, So do one. So Lamb Boy, if you remember, was
38:46
part of the cult. He was well aware of everything going on, so
38:49
much so that when the group moved back to Moffatt, he reported them to
38:53
the Salida Police Department. Well more specifically, he reported a body. So
39:01
yeah again left turn right at the point. Yeah, So the police department
39:08
on April twenty eighth searched their house and Moffat and found Carlson's body. So
39:15
Carlson, they were in Shasta, they moved back to Moffitt. They found
39:21
Carlson's body, and that means that she may have been dead as early as
39:23
April tenth in California, and they found her body eighteen days later in Colorado.
39:30
Now here's how Yeah, so her her corpse was mummified and the state
39:37
of decay showed that she had been dead for several weeks. She was forty
39:42
five when she died. Now when they found her, her body was found
39:45
in a sleeping bag wrapped with Christmas lights. Her face was covered in glitter,
39:51
and her eyes were missing. Okay, well, back up, to
39:55
the glitter. She was covered in clip covered and glitter yep, like a
40:02
sixth grade science project. I mean, I believe glitter goes on everything,
40:09
but not a dead body, right, and I mean wrapped with Christmas lights.
40:15
So basically, authorities deemed that a makeshift shrine. In terms of how
40:21
they found her, Um, I can't remember if I read that. She's
40:23
basically they had sat her up in a chair. No, I think I
40:28
remember that she sat up in a chair. I think so. Um,
40:32
But yeah, her eyes were missing all of this. Wait a minute,
40:39
glitter sitting up in a chair. Where were her eyes? I don't know.
40:45
I don't know. All I heard was her eyes. All I read
40:47
was her eyes were missing. Um, I don't know. Um mines have
40:52
seen the glory and the coming of the Lord. I have no idea where
40:57
they're going with that. Um. So, why did she die, or
41:01
rather how did she die? There's a couple of things that have come up
41:04
that are probably the reason. The first is alcohol abuse, which took a
41:07
large part in the group. Actually, I believe the second was anorexia.
41:12
The third was chronic Oh man, here we go, get ready, chronic
41:19
colloidal silver ingestion. Why ingest large amounts of this. Can you guess?
41:28
No, I can't. Well, her group, her entire group, was
41:34
promoting it as a COVID nineteen. Oh my god, why don't you just
41:37
put bleach in your veins or like just some your taint um even I mean,
41:45
I was thinking Anna freeze the whole time I'm sitting here. One she
41:47
was sick. On the live views, I'm thinking Anna freeze. It was
41:52
COVID. They were promoting this not only on live streams, but in the
41:58
store that they had, and the A actually reached out to them and said,
42:01
you need to stop, you need to thank God. Right, So
42:07
officially, the autopsy read that she died from quote global decline in the setting
42:14
of alcohol abuse, anorexia, and chronic colloidal silver ingestion. So basically they
42:20
don't know exactly what she died from. Well, but it was a totale
42:25
of just combination. It's hard because honestly, by the time they got her
42:30
it was twenty something days later. How she mummified and not just decomposing.
42:37
Did they give her something to preserve her? I have no idea, That's
42:44
what I'm thinking, because you start decomposing. If they didn't give you something
42:51
to mummify you, unless the colloidal stuff is also a preservative. I don't
43:00
know, and I don't know. It just depends on how they're defining mummified
43:04
really, you know, well, I just think mummified. Their skins not
43:07
dripping off is what I considered mummified. They're right, they have some skin
43:12
intact. Yeah, um, I mean not sleep well. When the body
43:19
was found, seven seven members of the group were charged with the abuse of
43:22
a corpse and a child abuse since there were two children on the property at
43:27
the time. Um because of course there were not, so it's not like
43:31
child abuse in the typical sense. That's just stand it. So they were
43:36
there though. But May fifth, not long after, the Deputy DA planned
43:39
to upgrade the abuse to of um the charges to a charge of tampering with
43:46
a deceased human body. They were facing all kinds of different charges. Now
43:52
these charges around September twenty first, twenty twenty one, we're all dropped.
44:00
I don't know why or how, but you know it wasn't fluenza. Why
44:07
who had money? Yeah, well maybe maybe it could have had a lot
44:13
to do with They just didn't want to deal with it. During COVID.
44:15
I'm not sure. Well it was COVID. Yeah, yeah, it's hard
44:20
to tell because they actually had all the records sealed. It also could have
44:24
something to do with they were a five O one C three. Maybe they
44:27
actually you know, it's difficult with the whole religion aspect. It's really hard
44:32
to charge quote pseudo religion, like for instance, scientology, you know what
44:40
I mean, Like, there's a lot of stuff out there that's just really
44:43
hard, especially when you hit that. But they've charged priests or different people
44:50
for doing exorcisms that were not sanctioned by the church. So yeah, but
44:57
it was I mean COVID probably. I mean I would just assume has I'm
45:04
going to just hope that that has a lot to do with it, right,
45:07
right, So, I mean, when this all received attention, the
45:13
group ended up posting on Facebook. And this is so interesting because Scientology did
45:19
the same thing, but they said that she had quote ascended and but but
45:27
like the Love has One website was taken offline, which is interesting. So
45:34
Lamb Boy says that he did it, but I don't have any assurance of
45:38
that. But his father God, I mean, right, you'd think that
45:45
a dead body charges and everything else in this caught would be over. Um
45:51
it's not remember that you know Lamb Boy who reported the body and then he
45:58
ended up taking the money and basically is what he did. It's thought that,
46:04
you know, basically he was going to become the new leader, possibly
46:07
along with somebody else. Is he gonna be mother God? Now? Right?
46:12
So how do we know this? The people in videos are already talking
46:15
about what fathers or God wishes. Despite the fact that Castillo has a past
46:22
criminal record and that he was charged in the case, it's still possible that
46:25
he's helping lead this, and it's very possible that he had reported as to
46:31
police so that he could leave it. Love is One is basically rebranded.
46:36
It's now called five D Full Disclosure, which is an ironic name to do
46:40
it being a cult. There's new YouTube channel on Facebook group so in an
46:47
update, it looks like Jason Castillo splinted and formed a separate group called joy
46:53
Rains with a small number of followers. Hey, that makes me think,
46:58
right, they get kudos are coming up with original names, unlike the branch
47:02
Davidians of the Davidians of the blah blah blah blah blah so lamb Boy is
47:09
now the head of five D full disclosure, that's an assumption. He might
47:13
not be, but I'm pretty sure he is. Now most of the videos
47:15
are now broadcast from out of the country. They're not relying on in country
47:20
people, so that's they have reach in that realm, because when you do
47:24
live feeds, how do they know the live feeds are coming from out of
47:30
the country and they're not just using spoof relay like VPNs and stuff. I
47:37
don't know, I don't know, I have no idea. I honestly I
47:39
wanted to kind of look into the whole YouTube channel thing, but I just
47:44
didn't At the time, I did not have the cojones to do it because
47:51
because I work with international offshore stuff for call centers, I've hosted live things
47:58
saying that I'm from Dallas, that I was really in Manila, right,
48:04
or vice versa. So I'm just like, how do we really know?
48:08
Okay, But through that right they still have the ability to recruit new members.
48:15
And the wife of the man who was found in the woods said quote,
48:20
it's extremely disheartening to see the system is failing again. No one would
48:23
help me, and no one would help my husband and a woman has died
48:27
because she didn't have access to medical treatment, and they're all just allowed to
48:31
go at it again. So do they still have a five or one three
48:35
active? That's a really good question because they did change their name, and
48:38
I don't know. I really don't know, but I did check into that.
48:45
I did want to say that I did a little research and I found
48:47
some materials from five D. They're not exactly hiding. I wanted to wait
48:53
until the end because the story is bad, but these documents are just silly,
48:59
and I just wanted to talk about the documents because one thing's for sure.
49:01
I like to mix. I at least liked offset, So say I
49:07
kit use a little in lightheartedness because I'm thinking, if this is what we
49:14
know, I think of what we don't know, right. So a lot
49:19
of this I pulled from actual direct documents that I downloaded off of their website.
49:22
Did you join? No, I did not join. I didn't have
49:27
to join. They are so so confident in their own documents that they think
49:31
that people are immediately gonna be a part of it. So the first one
49:37
is called the Ascension Roadmap, and in the about us section five D full
49:43
Disclosure is a multidimensional light center. We are an organization dedicated to the service
49:49
of humanity and have created a multidimensional pattern platform to serve all of the needs
49:53
of those awakening. Oh. Their vision is for all of humanity to wake
50:01
up to truth and embody their higher selves, become God with God, and
50:07
to build the New Earth paradigm. And I'll be honest with you, I'm
50:13
pretty sure I've heard some politicians talk like that. It's just like politics mixed
50:21
like semi sure. MTG has said a lot of rhetoric like that. But
50:25
their mission is to bring awareness and guidance to the collective on how to move
50:30
through the assession ascension process and how to anchor in five D. And the
50:37
question always is, well, what are the requirements? Right? So the
50:42
first one's awakening. In order to awaken, one must first become aware of
50:45
the darkness. Awareness transforms the lower into higher. We call this phased disclosure,
50:52
which is funny because it's thunder the title awakening. Um Participation is the
50:58
next one. That's a key aspect to the ascension. Every being is responsible
51:01
for their own awakening and to be in service to humanity. Then there is
51:08
embodiment, and that's the process of transformation, dissolving the ego and anchoring and
51:15
the higher self. This is a physical, emotional, and mental and spiritual
51:20
process. I'm exhaustagous talk. I'm like, I'm just gonna fast forward a
51:30
little bit. So one last thing regarding their insights into awakening, and this
51:36
is just one of the insights that I'm going to read verbatim, and then
51:39
we're gonna be done. And this is all a quote. Is this gonna
51:44
make me join? I sure as I'll hope not give it to me.
51:52
So all energy must be expressed, either consciously or unconsciously. If your environment,
52:00
experiences, or life does not reflect joy, abundance, growth, and
52:06
love, then you are unconsciously creating your reality versus consciously. Well there's more.
52:15
All pain, illness, or disease is based on energetic Every ailment within
52:22
the body has an energetic root cause and an emotional root chase. You can
52:30
healing, you can healing, You can healing any ailment you heal the underlying
52:37
energetic. Any thought that does not bring you joy or inspiration is based an
52:45
ego or lower thought. What you resist persists, what you look at,
52:52
you let go of except embrace and allow. Triggers are treasure. Anything you
52:59
do not like in another exists in you. That is love has one that
53:10
literally made no sense, and it's not because I've been drinking. It literally
53:16
made no sense. The only thing out of all of that, and maybe
53:27
it's because I've now drank almost a full bottle of wine is welcome. Something
53:32
about what you see in others is also in you. Is the only piece,
53:38
because I feel that we all have our own internal stuff and we project
53:45
that on others. That is the only freaking piece that I am like.
53:52
And it's because I'm like energy. I'm just gonna say genetics, environment.
54:00
I got cancer the first time when I was twenty. Um wasn't an alcoholic.
54:06
I didn't do drugs, maybe excessy once for tis, but I didn't
54:09
do all of those things. It wasn't energy. I loved people. Wham
54:16
wham was my thing. It wasn't that are you still I know? But
54:25
I'm like, it wasn't my thoughts my energy. I was everything was good.
54:31
I was. People used to say, my God, could you stop
54:35
being so sunny? Right, which is funny because like I heard that that
54:40
too in college and it was like I just want to be dark. Might
54:44
just be dark? I don't like, can I just I mean, even
54:46
with I want to find a dead body, it's not that the dark side
54:52
I don't want because this happened, and this happened in this family. No,
54:57
the family gets closure. We are going to track down the sob or
55:01
soog that did this. We're gonna make them pay. It's the yeah,
55:08
And it's so funny that you said that, because literally that's the line.
55:13
That's the only line that resonated with me. Right, Um, they end
55:17
her. I honestly, I don't know because state documents. What state was
55:29
she in for the auto she was in? She was in Mount Chasta,
55:32
California. She was found in Mada, Colorado. She was in Colorado for
55:40
that whole thing. But they did the autopsy in California. No, they
55:45
did in Colorado. Crap. But it's really hard because again, you know,
55:52
they steal those documents. It stealed. But we can still do Freedom
55:59
of Information Act. We could, we could do I mean just because I'm
56:05
just thinking. I mean, I have known people with you know, slerisis
56:13
of the liver liver disease. You know, chronic alcoholics that done other things,
56:19
but there's something more, definitely anymore. I don't know what the cloydal
56:29
And I'm going to just tell people. Anytime we talk about that, I
56:32
just always call it the clitteral because men can't find the clitteral. Well,
56:38
here's the problem is that, why are you? But she found it and
56:44
she died, so maybe you don't want us to find it. I don't
56:46
know, but I just wonder. I mean, I don't know. There's
56:51
just something and the fact that they said mummy fight. If this was in
56:55
nineteen eighty the word mummy fight, I would know more what they meant.
57:00
But right currently, mummified. We have no idea. We don't have the
57:09
d com going on. We don't have you took um whatever that preservative is,
57:15
you can put on your vegetables and fruit and put it in their frigerator.
57:21
They rolled her body and that there was something. How have I not
57:27
heard of? Oh? This is gonna send me down so many rabbit holes
57:34
and you're welcome. Yeah, it's it's interesting. And like I said,
57:40
I'd never heard of it before, and that every time, every chapter,
57:44
every piece that I read about it, I was just like, how have
57:46
I not heard of? This before. Well, I also learned something else.
57:51
I didn't know there was life feeds on YouTube. Oh god, yes,
57:55
oh yes, yes, I'm able. A funny offside joke about YouTube.
58:04
I interviewed with Google several years ago, and they give you on the
58:09
application these things that they ask may ask something about YouTube, and I was
58:16
like, yes, I know it's out there, but why are you asking.
58:22
I didn't even know it was part of the Google family, because guys,
58:29
I'm in my fifties. That nothing, but I mean YouTube, I
58:36
mean I now have YouTube TV. I pay a subscription, we put up
58:39
our episodes on YouTube. I didn't know they did live feeds. Do you
58:43
have to have a certain number of followers like you do on the other platforms.
58:47
No, Um, A lot of it deals with so like up to
58:52
a certain amount of subscribers. You can eventually like just offer merch on YouTube.
58:58
You don't have to link it to YouTube. So there's different things,
59:00
but you can definitely just start out. There's plenty of people that have just
59:05
started. I've watched, actually in the last week, start out Bear live
59:08
feeds on YouTube without anybody, So guys can definitely do it. True Crime
59:15
and Wine Time YouTube coming from JT. Yeah, sure, I don't care.
59:21
Why not? I mean, I just wondered because of all the TikTok
59:23
stuff going on, because I follow a couple of influencers that yeah, they're
59:29
now like, oh I now have a Facebook page didn't have one before.
59:34
Yeah, and they're moving because of the things going on with TikTok. Yeah
59:38
how am I just now? Why is it Google advertising this? I don't
59:44
know. I don't know. I mean, they probably just don't want a
59:47
super saturation. There's already saturation on YouTube. But but yeah, yeah,
59:52
yeah, so it's really interesting. It's a fascinating concept. But they're using
59:58
to see you though, Yeah, so can I reach you? The headline
1:00:01
that I popped up that I kept up because I'm still from Mother God to
1:00:07
Mummified Corpse Inside the Fringe Spirital sect Love has one that was one of my
1:00:15
sources, Rolling Stone, and I'm like, yeah, yep, I think
1:00:24
of Mother God. I think of someone like Mother Teresa's age or someone a
1:00:32
corpse. Okay, I I love that you covered something I'd never heard of.
1:00:45
Have you heard of Luke Castro? The original case I was gonna cover
1:00:50
No Angel's Landing? Nope, Okay, so he might have to do two.
1:00:58
Well, and I'm to be honest, one of the reasons I was
1:01:00
glad I flipped is I'm not sure we call it a cult more than a
1:01:10
massive manipulator. Oh well, then perfect. I can find something on that
1:01:15
work. Wow. I as always think it's fabulous for us to do this,
1:01:24
but I love when we do cases that I haven't heard of, and
1:01:30
you always bring I like it. So thank you, gracias. I don't
1:01:42
know how else to say thank you, so quitos quitos. That works,
1:01:50
So thank you all for joining us. We appreciate it. Stay safe,
1:01:59
I've had too much wine. I can't just watch for people. Yeah yeah,
1:02:06
please, good grief. Just watch out for people. We'll see you
1:02:09
next time, everybody. I want to say. Our episode today was researched
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