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TRAIL-MOM RACHEL MORIN'S BLUDGEON-DEATH KILLER BUSTED IN TULSA · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a beautiful young mom, the
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Speaker 1: so called trail Mom, Rachel Moron's killer, responsible for bludgeoning
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Speaker 1: her dad and raping her, leaving her naked body lying
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Speaker 1: out on a public trail, and the last hours busted
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Speaker 1: and tulsa good evening. I mean, see, Grace, this is
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Speaker 1: crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: When I woke up, it felt like.
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Speaker 3: It felt like a shadow. It also felt like like
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Speaker 3: profound like sadness, emptiness, like I just knew that there
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Speaker 3: was something that.
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Speaker 1: I think it's just mother's intuition.
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Speaker 3: I just knew there was something that wasn't right, that
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Speaker 3: there was something terribly wrong, but I didn't know what
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Speaker 3: it was.
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Speaker 2: Just over three weeks ago, on May twentieth, on what
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Speaker 2: should have been Rachel's thirty eighth birthday, and then a
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Speaker 2: poetic coincidence or perhaps in Rachel's own divine assistance, are
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Speaker 2: investigators uncovered a lead that led us to this day.
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Speaker 2: And on this day, I'm here to tell you Rachel's
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Speaker 2: murder is no longer a free man. Hopefully he will
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Speaker 2: never have the opportunity to walk free again.
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Speaker 1: You were just hearing Rachel's mother telling me the anguish
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Speaker 1: that she has been through and describing the moment that
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Speaker 1: she learned her daughter, a mother of five, the so
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Speaker 1: called trail mom, beautiful woman, mother of five found bludgeon dead,
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Speaker 1: left naked and bloody on a trail. And then we
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Speaker 1: hear in the last hours Sheriff of Harford County, Jeff Galler,
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Speaker 1: speaking out in what and arrest it was busted? Who
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Speaker 1: is he? This guy is a non citizen migrant some
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Speaker 1: people would call an illegal alien, a non citizen migrant
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Speaker 1: on the run from a murtyr charge in El Salvador.
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Speaker 1: And let me just remind everybody that he has suspected
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Speaker 1: in the rape of a girl in La What was
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Speaker 1: the straw that broke the camel's back for Victor Antonio
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Speaker 1: Martinez her Nandez. Listen.
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Speaker 2: The lead we received was related to DNA evidence and
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Speaker 2: allowed investigators to finally put a name to the image
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Speaker 2: of the suspect in the video from Los Angeles, which
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Speaker 2: we released two weeks after Rachel's death. After we had
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Speaker 2: the video, we knew what he looked like. After we
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Speaker 2: had we knew he looked like, but we did know
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Speaker 2: who he was. With the new DNA evidence, now we
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Speaker 2: know who he is, but we still didn't know where
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Speaker 2: he was, and.
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Speaker 1: They tracked him. They tracked this guy all around the world,
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Speaker 1: because you remember, Rachel mourn Is found brutally, brutally murdered
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Speaker 1: and very interestingly, her face totally destroyed, half of her face,
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Speaker 1: just beaten in. Of course, I'm just a trial lawyer,
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Speaker 1: I'm not a shrink, but I know that means something
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Speaker 1: psychologically that this beautiful woman, this mom of FIV, is brutalized,
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Speaker 1: her face destroyed. We now know this is the same guy,
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Speaker 1: according to DNA evidence, that killed a woman in El
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Speaker 1: Salvador and attacked a young girl in La Oh. This
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Speaker 1: guy was tracked like hounds from hell. Listen.
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Speaker 2: Over the past two weeks, investigators continued their diligit investigation
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Speaker 2: and track our suspect all the way from Prince George's
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Speaker 2: County to Tulsa, Oklahoma. Our investigators also obtained an arresta
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Speaker 2: warrant yesterday afternoon, and as the arrest warrant was being issued,
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Speaker 2: we met with Rachel's family, many of whom are with
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Speaker 2: us today, to update them on the case and ask
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Speaker 2: them and almost asked of them an almost impossible request,
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Speaker 2: and that was to keep the information about the identity
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Speaker 2: and the arrest warrant to themselves and protected to allow
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Speaker 2: investigatators the opportunity to try to apprehend this suspect before
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Speaker 2: it was made public in the news, so that our
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Speaker 2: suspect did not have the opportunity to learn that he
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Speaker 2: was wanted and to once again flee.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was just living his best life, going about
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Speaker 1: his business. So from what I understand, the sheriff goes
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Speaker 1: to the family Rachel Smant tells them, we think we've
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Speaker 1: got them, but you got to keep it a secret,
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Speaker 1: and then out they go because to continue tracking this guy.
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Speaker 1: They think they've got a line on him. Who is
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Speaker 1: this guy, this non citizen migrant with a murder charge
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Speaker 1: out of El Salvador.
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Speaker 2: Listen, Five hours after meeting with the family, and just
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Speaker 2: before midnight, our time police in Tulsa, Oklahoma, assisted by
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Speaker 2: our federal partners, located and arrested Rachel's murderer, Victor Antonio
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Speaker 2: Martinez Hernandez. So far, we have learned that the suspect
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Speaker 2: now pictured on the screens is a twenty three year
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Speaker 2: old citizen of El Salvador who illegally crossed the border
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Speaker 2: into the United States in February of twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 1: Okay, why did he leave El Salvador. There's so much
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Speaker 1: to figure out. Joining me an all star panel to
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Speaker 1: make sense of what we know right now. But as
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Speaker 1: we speak, I want to keep our mind and our
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Speaker 1: heart on Rachel Morin. We have been working this case,
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Speaker 1: investigating this case. We know a lot about this guy,
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Speaker 1: but we just couldn't get our hands on him. Joining me.
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Speaker 1: Investigative reporter for crimeonline dot Com, Alexis Terreschuk. This guy
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Speaker 1: a non citizen migrant, some say illegal aliens on the
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Speaker 1: run from El Salvador.
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Speaker 4: Explain, so, Nancy, this twenty three year old man is
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Speaker 4: here illegally, which the police officer said from El Salvador.
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Speaker 4: He has been accused of murder in Al Salvador. He
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Speaker 4: apparently killed another young woman and then fled his country,
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Speaker 4: came to the United States and went on a cross
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Speaker 4: country crime spree.
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Speaker 1: I want to go straight out to Chris mcdonna, director
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Speaker 1: at the Cold Case Foundation, now former homicide detective with
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Speaker 1: over three hundred homicide inquiries under his belt, star of
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Speaker 1: the interview room. That's where I found him during the
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Speaker 1: Coburger investigation, Chris mcdonna, I actually have chills on my
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Speaker 1: whole body. So number one, let's just put it out there.
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Speaker 1: He's innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Bam.
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Speaker 1: Now can we talk reality. This guy has a murder
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Speaker 1: charge of a young woman, don't know her age yet
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Speaker 1: in El Salvador, late late, late last night. I got
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Speaker 1: word from a bounty hunter about the facts surrounding that case,
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Speaker 1: but I don't know for sure yet, so I'll keep
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Speaker 1: that under my hat until I know for sure those facts.
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Speaker 1: A woman dead in El Salvador chalked up to him.
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Speaker 1: He goes on the run. Then he goes to La
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Speaker 1: and sex assaults a nine year old little girl there
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Speaker 1: he is Victor Antonio Martinez here Nandez. There he goes,
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Speaker 1: doesn't even bother, and he doesn't run. He walks out
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Speaker 1: and inside he's left behind a wake of pain that
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Speaker 1: will never ever be repaired. There's no telling, Chris mcdonna,
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Speaker 1: how many other victims this guy has. Okay, your turn
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Speaker 1: hit it.
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Speaker 5: We know for sure now that in El Salvador he
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Speaker 5: had a case and that inter Pol had a what
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Speaker 5: they call a red notice on him. And what that
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Speaker 5: is is it's a worldwide alert kind of like a
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Speaker 5: BOL for this individual if they had in the system.
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Speaker 1: Did you say bol Are you talking about a bolo?
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Speaker 5: Be on the lookout, yes, ma'am, like be on the lookout.
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Speaker 5: And what it is. It's not an international arrest warrant.
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Speaker 5: It's basically to notify all countries that participate in inter
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Speaker 5: POL that this is one dangerous dude. And LAPD gets
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Speaker 5: that hit on the DNA, they match your name to it,
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Speaker 5: they get this red notice and boom, they're off to
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Speaker 5: the races and they're on the hunt for this guy.
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Speaker 1: You know, Chris mcdona and everybody on the path please
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Speaker 1: jump in. A lot's happening. We're getting information fast and furious.
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Speaker 1: According to detectives, this guy her Nandez was waiting lying
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Speaker 1: in wait there at the mon Pau Trail near bel Air, Maryland,
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Speaker 1: waiting for a victim. You know what that tells me
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Speaker 1: to Karen Start, renowned psychologists joining us out of Manhattan.
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Speaker 1: You can find her online Karenstart dot com, Karen.
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Speaker 6: With a C.
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Speaker 1: If you're looking for her, Karen. That tells me, as
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Speaker 1: we discussed when this first happened, this is not his
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Speaker 1: first attack. Now we know that now because of DNA.
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Speaker 1: But what I'm trying to say is that I think
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Speaker 1: there's going to be other attacks. I would be looking
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Speaker 1: in Tulsa. I would be looking everywhere in between La
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Speaker 1: bel Air, Maryland and Tulsa, because a guy, a predator
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Speaker 1: like this non citizen migrant from El Salvador, a guy
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Speaker 1: that knows how to lie in wait. And remember we
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Speaker 1: learned Karen Stark that at the time Rachel was attacked
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Speaker 1: and murder in her whole face, beaten in bludgeon them.
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Speaker 1: There was a lot of foliage and you would be
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Speaker 1: going down the mon patrail and then it would turn,
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Speaker 1: and he was knew that and was hiding in the
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Speaker 1: foliage just around the turn, waiting for a woman, any
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Speaker 1: woman probably to come around that bend. He wasn't worried
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Speaker 1: about robbing them. He was there to rape and kill.
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Speaker 7: He was Nancy And this was very carefully planned if
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Speaker 7: you think about it. He left Alsavador and could have
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Speaker 7: just started again and maybe he wouldn't.
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Speaker 1: Have been caught.
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Speaker 7: But he can't stop. He gets pleasure. It derives pleasure
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Speaker 7: from doing this. It was planned. Although he's pretty indiscriminate
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Speaker 7: because he does a child her mother. This person in
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Speaker 7: Al Salvador is a young woman and then Rachel so
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Speaker 7: all ages and he doesn't care as long as he's
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Speaker 7: able to rape and kill. And it's very fortunate that
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Speaker 7: the nine year old to the family king and he
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Speaker 7: wasn't able to kill her. I have no doubt he
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Speaker 7: would have because that's where he gets his pleasure. And
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Speaker 7: by the way, smashed the face in because he doesn't
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Speaker 7: want her to see him.
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Speaker 1: Symbolically, a non citizen migrant who has just been busted
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Speaker 1: in the murder and rape of a gorgeous young mother
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Speaker 1: of five. Victor Antonio Martinez her Nandez, a non citizen
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Speaker 1: migrant running from a murder charging El Salvador. How the
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Speaker 1: hey did he get here and why is he here?
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Speaker 1: He has gone unapprehended after attacking a nine year old
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Speaker 1: girl and her mother in La But guess what he
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Speaker 1: left a hat behind. That hat was a hare that
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Speaker 1: hairs Mitochondrial DNA matches up to DNA taken from the
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Speaker 1: Rachel Morin rape and murder scene. In the last hours,
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Speaker 1: a huge breakthrough, huge breakthrough and the murder of a
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Speaker 1: marilynd mom Rachel morn As cops finally arrest an illegal
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Speaker 1: migrant seen in eerie doorbell camera footage, ten months after
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Speaker 1: Rachel's body was found naked and beaten on a remote
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Speaker 1: hiking trail. At the time, we analyzed the evidence and
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Speaker 1: we believed he had attacked and even killed before we
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Speaker 1: were right.
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Speaker 2: Listen, we all suspected that perhaps Rachel was not his
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Speaker 2: first victim. And it's my understanding that this suspect, this monster,
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Speaker 2: fled to the United States illegally after committing the brutal
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Speaker 2: murder of a young woman in El Salvador a month
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Speaker 2: early in January of twenty twenty three. Once in our country,
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Speaker 2: and likely emboldened by his anonymity, he brutally attacked a
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Speaker 2: nine year old girl and her mother during a home
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Speaker 2: invasion in March of twenty twenty three in Los Angeles.
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Speaker 2: Victor Hernandez did not come here to make a better
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Speaker 2: life for himself or for his family. He came here
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Speaker 2: to escape the crime he committed in El Salvador. He
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Speaker 2: came here and murdered Rachel and god willing no one else,
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Speaker 2: but that should have never been allowed to happen.
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Speaker 1: Everybody just joining us in the last hours, a huge
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Speaker 1: breakthrough in the search for the killer of a Marylynd mom,
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Speaker 1: betrail mom, Rachel morn, the mother of five, holding it together, working,
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Speaker 1: making her way through life, just an awesome human being.
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Speaker 1: She finally found love again, her boyfriend fiance devastated and
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Speaker 1: of course, as usual, all eyes were on the boyfriend
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Speaker 1: at first. Statistically they did it after hearing him speak
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Speaker 1: and watching his mannerisms. I fully believed he was not involved.
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Speaker 1: And guess what, he's not. A non citizen migrant is
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Speaker 1: now under arrest. And when you hear how this guy
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Speaker 1: was tracked down all over the world, it's amazing. As
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Speaker 1: you just heard LA law enforcement speaking, he did not
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Speaker 1: come here for a better life. He came here to
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Speaker 1: escape a murder charge in El Salvador. What happened did
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Speaker 1: that day? Listen?
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Speaker 8: There was a bend in the trail that most likely
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Speaker 8: was used by the individual who attacked Rachel in the
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Speaker 8: trail pulled her through the wooded area into this drainage
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Speaker 8: culvert where she ultimately lost her life.
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Speaker 9: DNA evidence was collected by our Forensic Services Union. That
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Speaker 9: DNA was analyzed by the Maryland State Police and it
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Speaker 9: was ran through National Code System Data Evidences. I mean
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Speaker 9: this DNA evidence has come back as a match tied
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Speaker 9: to a home invasion and assault and an assault of
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Speaker 9: a young girl in Los Angeles this past March. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 9: that suspect has not been positively identified, but he did
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Speaker 9: leave behind his DNA.
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Speaker 1: Okay, well that was then, but this is now. Listen.
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Speaker 10: Our investigative genetic genealogy team in Baltimore were countless hours
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Speaker 10: to identify the suspect by using prime scene DNA and
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Speaker 10: tracing that DNA to potential family members. Investigators even traveled
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Speaker 10: to El Salvador as part of their efforts to identify
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Speaker 10: this killer find the suspect provided technical assistance helping to
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Speaker 10: pinpoint his location. And that brings us to last night,
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Speaker 10: where Tulsa police and FBI agents were able to successfully
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Speaker 10: apprehend and arrest the suspect in Oklahoma.
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Speaker 1: Joining right now high profile defense attorney Matthew Mangino, former
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Speaker 1: prosecutor and author of the Executioner's Toll, Crimes, Arrest Trials, Appeals,
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Speaker 1: Last Meals, Final Words of executed people, forty six of
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Speaker 1: them in the US. Matthew Mangino, why is it that
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Speaker 1: all I hear all day long is wine, wine, wine
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Speaker 1: about police? They didn't do this. They didn't do that.
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Speaker 1: They screwed this up. They screwed that up. Its constant.
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Speaker 1: But here you have LA law enforcement literally tracking this
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Speaker 1: guy all the way to El Salvador and then to
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Speaker 1: LA and finally nailing him in Tulsa. Can they get
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Speaker 1: just a little bit of credit for once?
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Speaker 11: Well?
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Speaker 5: No, this is.
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Speaker 6: Truly great police work to be able to connect these
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Speaker 6: dots and make an arrest in this case and be
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Speaker 6: able to match.
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Speaker 1: Did you just say connect the dots like one of
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Speaker 1: those children's games, you know, like you give them that
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Speaker 1: sheet to play with at the restaurant with a pack
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Speaker 1: of crayons, and you connect the dots. Connect the dots.
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Speaker 1: My rear end, this is that breaking work between Maryland,
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Speaker 1: bel Air, Maryland, La, Tulsa, El Salvador. I mean, there's
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Speaker 1: a red notice on this guy. Ice had to be involved.
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Speaker 1: This was a huge, huge and complex undertaking, right.
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Speaker 6: And I'm sure they had somewhere on a wall these
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Speaker 6: little pins connecting the dots as they went along putting
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Speaker 6: this case together. And unfortunately, I don't think this is
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Speaker 6: the end of this case. So you have a guy
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Speaker 6: who's been here since February of twenty twenty three. He's
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Speaker 6: crossed the country from Los Angeles to Maryland now you know,
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Speaker 6: found in Tulsa. He's come a lot of ground, and unfortunately,
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Speaker 6: I think we're going to find that he has uh
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Speaker 6: you know, created havoc and uh probably is the murdered
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Speaker 6: others or raped others. I mean, this is a very
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Speaker 6: dangerous person that is on the move. And when you're
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Speaker 6: on the move like that, the reason you do it
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Speaker 6: is because you're looking for other victims. And unfortunately, I
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Speaker 6: think we're going to find that that's the case here.
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Speaker 1: You know, it was amazing to me too, Alexis Tereschuk,
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Speaker 1: what cops were doing in the background. All we could
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Speaker 1: see was we were looking through a glass darkly. And
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Speaker 1: I remember specifically what Rachel's mom told me. Listen.
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Speaker 12: At one point when things seemed like really bleak and hopeless,
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Speaker 12: the lead detective said to me, he said, patients will
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Speaker 12: win in the end. And that's what they've been doing.
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Speaker 12: They've been diligently, working very hard, and they've been patiently
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Speaker 12: working through all of the leads, and it's because of
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Speaker 12: that that we have my rest today. So I'm very
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Speaker 12: thankful and just very grateful.
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Speaker 1: That's Rachel's mom speaking and Alexis remember when we talked
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Speaker 1: to her and she was just so distraught, but she
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Speaker 1: never lost faith in law enforcement. So they must have
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Speaker 1: been telling her along what was happening. And they go
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Speaker 1: to her five hours before the takedown and say, we're
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Speaker 1: telling you we're going to try to do this thing.
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Speaker 1: We think we know where he is. Just hole tight.
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Speaker 1: That mother has been through hell, Alexis.
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Speaker 4: And you know, the thing was all we had was
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Speaker 4: the video, So there was the connection to Los Angeles, right.
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Speaker 4: We had a video of a man coming shirtless out
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Speaker 4: of a home and casually walking away, see with carrying
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Speaker 4: his shirt, carrying the clothes that he had clearly taken
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Speaker 4: off when he attacked a nine year old. So that's
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Speaker 4: all we had. But the police hused he left so
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Speaker 4: much DNA with Rachel, which is terrible. It is a
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Speaker 4: blessing because she helped solve her own crime, but he
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Speaker 4: knew must be a family connection. And I'm wondering if
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Speaker 4: that's what happened in Tulsa as well, because he was caught.
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Speaker 1: In a bar.
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Speaker 4: The police found him literally sitting in a bar kind
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Speaker 4: of I just went up right next to him, maybe
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Speaker 4: like hey, can we buy you a drink?
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Speaker 1: And then arrested him in a bar in Tulsa, Oklahoma,
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Speaker 1: and the bar are probably looking for his next victim
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Speaker 1: crime stories with Nancy Grace and very quickly, I'm going
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Speaker 1: to go back to Chris mcdonna, director of Cold Case Foundation,
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Speaker 1: for more homicide detective. This is how it goes down. Okay,
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Speaker 1: Chris mcdonna. First of all, you look at the victims
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Speaker 1: family and loved ones, because that's typically statistically where you're
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Speaker 1: going to find your killer, husband, boyfriend, ex lover. Then
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Speaker 1: you move out grocery delivery, pizza delivery guy, next door neighbor,
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Speaker 1: creepy high school teacher. You keep going and going and going.
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Speaker 1: You expand that circle. When you exhaust the circle of family, lovers, boyfriends,
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Speaker 1: free key connections, then you go to DNA. Now, this
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Speaker 1: guy's DNA pops up in a rape and an attack
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Speaker 1: in LA, so they know they've got that guy, but
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Speaker 1: he doesn't match anybody in codis the DNA databak, so
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Speaker 1: we know his DNA has never been handed over as
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Speaker 1: it relates to a felony in this country, and that
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Speaker 1: is when you have to bring in the FBI. Okay,
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Speaker 1: we had his sketch, there was a possibility he was
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Speaker 1: in this country illegally. Then they go to genealogical DNA.
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Speaker 1: The FBI International office in l Salvador was used to
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Speaker 1: quote bridge the gap with US law enforcement. Now that's
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Speaker 1: what we're learning today. What exactly does that mean, FBI
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Speaker 1: in El Salvador quote bridged the gap.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, Nancy. What it means is, so the FBI
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Speaker 5: makes contact, probably with a direct family member in El Salvador,
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Speaker 5: they do a buckle slab and immediately they can put
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Speaker 5: that into the system. They get that CODEUS HIT again.
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Speaker 5: There's a system called andy A and DEI, and that's
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Speaker 5: called it's a rapid DNA process. Once they get that profile.
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Speaker 5: What was interesting to hear the FBI agent say there
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Speaker 5: was also technical assistance. What I took away from that
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Speaker 5: hearing that was they probably may have gotten as a
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Speaker 5: phone number or something to that effect, and immediately the
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Speaker 5: CAS scene gets involved, and for all we know at
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Speaker 5: this point, they may have even trapped his phone and
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Speaker 5: that's where the other units got involved. But one of
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Speaker 5: the other things I think we're going to hear here,
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Speaker 5: Nancy and the sheriff had mentioned it not to get
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Speaker 5: ahead of you here for a moment, but just in
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Speaker 5: case it's the HEIDA team that's high impact drug trafficking.
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Speaker 5: That means this guy was on the radar of Heida
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Speaker 5: and was he a mule for the cartels and this
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Speaker 5: is why he's traveling through the country. Heida is very
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Speaker 5: important to pay attention to in this investigation. Thanks flying well,
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Speaker 5: because if he's come on to the radar through HAIDA,
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Speaker 5: that means they may have already had pre incident contact
23:46
Speaker 5: with this guy on other types of crimes, narcotics investigations,
23:51
Speaker 5: or something to that effect. The fact that the sheriff
23:54
Speaker 5: mentioned them the other day as a partner who assisted
23:57
Speaker 5: in this case a red flag that, Okay, this guy
24:03
Speaker 5: had been in this country and now that big question
24:05
Speaker 5: is what was he doing. Was he running dope? You know?
24:09
Speaker 5: Was he working for somebody? And maybe this is what
24:13
Speaker 5: gave him the availability to travel around the United States
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Speaker 5: and how we ended up in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
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Speaker 1: Outrage. This guy is in the country having murdered allegedly
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Speaker 1: one person in El Salvador, then sex assaulted a nine
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Speaker 1: year old little girl, attacking the rest of her family
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Speaker 1: in La before he murders Rachel Morin. I want to
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Speaker 1: go out to a special guest joining us now doctor
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Speaker 1: Kendall Crown's chief medical Examiner, Terreant, County fort Worth Lecturer
24:42
Speaker 1: at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU, Texas Christian University.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Crowns, thank you for being with us. We've talked
24:49
Speaker 1: a lot about DNA, and we're throwing around the term
24:54
Speaker 1: deoxaribo niclake acid mitocadrial DNA, but for people that are
25:00
Speaker 1: not in law enforcement, I want to explain, and you're
25:05
Speaker 1: the best in the world to give this tutorial and
25:08
Speaker 1: regular people talk please as if you're speaking to a
25:13
Speaker 1: trial warrior like myself that does not have a medical
25:17
Speaker 1: degree like you do. How was Rachel Moore's body sound
25:23
Speaker 1: and why did her body reveal DNA? And what is
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Speaker 1: mitochondrial DNA, which is what I believe they got on
25:34
Speaker 1: the scene in LA from a cap.
25:37
Speaker 2: So Rachel bought it.
25:39
Speaker 11: Rachel Morin's body was found nude with her face caved
25:43
Speaker 11: in from a blunt object, so more unlikely she was
25:47
Speaker 11: strangled than while she was unconscious she was raped and
25:53
Speaker 11: then when she regained conscious. Because he didn't finish out
25:56
Speaker 11: the strangulation. He beat her to death with a rock
25:58
Speaker 11: or a stick or whatever was nearby. That being said,
26:02
Speaker 11: the DNA that would be on her body would be
26:05
Speaker 11: could be from his saliva, could be from his skin, cells,
26:09
Speaker 11: could be from his hair follicles as well as seamen.
26:13
Speaker 11: So at autopsy they can collect all these by doing
26:16
Speaker 11: a sexual assault KIP, by using swabs to swab the orifices,
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Speaker 11: to swab potential areas on the skin that may have DNA.
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Speaker 2: The investigators fear that we're going to stumble across another
26:27
Speaker 2: crime that just hasn't been tied back through DNA or
26:30
Speaker 2: some other science or electronic you know, tie that the
26:33
Speaker 2: evidence just hasn't reached the point where we get a hit.
26:36
Speaker 2: But right now, what we're familiar with is the crime
26:40
Speaker 2: in Los Angeles, the home invasion in March of twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty three, the homicide here of Rachel in August of
26:47
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, and I believe in Tulsa he's facing
26:51
Speaker 2: some local charges as well for last night, I think
26:54
Speaker 2: treshpashing or disorderly or something something to that effect.
26:57
Speaker 1: Okay, let's break it down. How do they find this sky?
27:00
Speaker 1: How did they find this non citizen migrant. I was
27:09
Speaker 1: listening very carefully in taking notes to a news conference
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Speaker 1: where an FBI Special Agent in charge of the FBI
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Speaker 1: Baltimore's Field Office, Bill Dibagno, he was speaking, and I'm
27:22
Speaker 1: going to quote his words that I wrote down. He
27:25
Speaker 1: said a quote investigative genetic Genealogy team. Genetic genealogy is
27:34
Speaker 1: one of the most advanced types of of DNA discovery
27:40
Speaker 1: that is being used. Now. This is what you may recall.
27:43
Speaker 1: Do you remember Joseph DiAngelo, aka the Golden State Killer,
27:50
Speaker 1: big huge breakthrough in the use of genetic genealogy. Di Angelo,
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Speaker 1: former cop, I might add, before he got fired that
28:01
Speaker 1: was wise, had been raping and murdering women all across
28:07
Speaker 1: California and beyond. I'd like to add, I believe he
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Speaker 1: was finally tracked through genetic genealogy. What is it You
28:19
Speaker 1: get DNA like you have at the scene of Rachel
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Speaker 1: Morn's rape and murder, It doesn't match anybody in codis
28:26
Speaker 1: what do you do? Nobody has been arrested, nobody has
28:31
Speaker 1: given their DNA matches. You put it in genetic genealogy.
28:37
Speaker 1: That means you go to a public genealogy site, not
28:42
Speaker 1: ancestry what is it ancestry dot com or twenty three
28:46
Speaker 1: and me, Yeah, that's a good one. Those are private,
28:50
Speaker 1: so you can't bust into those. Cops can't do that.
28:52
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of public websites, public genealogical DNA
28:58
Speaker 1: websites like match ged match. You put it in there,
29:04
Speaker 1: you don't get a direct hit like they don't say,
29:08
Speaker 1: oh this is Alexis terrestchut busted. No, you get kind
29:14
Speaker 1: of a hit and you think, ah, this is the
29:18
Speaker 1: great great great great grandpa of Mike Killer. So you
29:23
Speaker 1: start coming down the family tree. You gotta go, Okay,
29:28
Speaker 1: they had this many children. Let's follow them down. They
29:31
Speaker 1: had that many children. Let's follow it down. Follow it down,
29:33
Speaker 1: follow it down until you get to a living relative
29:37
Speaker 1: of great great great grandpa in the area you hone
29:42
Speaker 1: in on. For instance, the Golden State Killer. They busted
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Speaker 1: him and nobody said, ooh, I've got a roast in
29:47
Speaker 1: the oven, give me a minute. They're like, oh, hell no,
29:50
Speaker 1: you're going now. So that's how they find him. Same
29:55
Speaker 1: thing with Brian Coburger. That's a great example. They find
29:58
Speaker 1: the DNA on the knife sheath. Hey, this is this
30:01
Speaker 1: is your case, Chris McDonough and you were there on
30:06
Speaker 1: the ground at the get go in that one, they
30:09
Speaker 1: find the DNA on the knife sheath under one of
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Speaker 1: the victims for victims bodies they don't know matching codis say,
30:17
Speaker 1: they do genetic genealogy. They find Coburger's father, uh, and
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Speaker 1: then they wait for him to leave behind discard something
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Speaker 1: with his DNA on it. They get that, they do
30:31
Speaker 1: the same thing with Coburger himself. You know, I'm making
30:35
Speaker 1: a very short story out of a very long story.
30:38
Speaker 1: And that's how they bust him. And that's what happened here.
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Speaker 1: You heard what the FBI Special Agent Bill Dibagno said.
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Speaker 1: An investigative genetic genealogy team work to id the suspect,
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Speaker 1: and investigators went to El Salvador. What does that tell me?
30:52
Speaker 1: One of his families members had a record and had
30:56
Speaker 1: given DNA yeating And.
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Speaker 5: You're one thousand percent right. There is always an answer
31:00
Speaker 5: where I you know, in the coverd thing. Obviously they
31:03
Speaker 5: grab some trash. In this case, they were onto this guy.
31:07
Speaker 5: They could smell it. They went and spent the money
31:10
Speaker 5: to send the FBI team down there. And not only
31:14
Speaker 5: was it the field office probably down there, but they
31:17
Speaker 5: probably sent the agents directly from DC from the lab
31:23
Speaker 5: to pull this CNA. So they knew that they were
31:25
Speaker 5: crossing all the t's and dot and the ice because
31:28
Speaker 5: you know, obviously, when you're dealing with an international case
31:31
Speaker 5: like this, you certainly do not want to run up
31:34
Speaker 5: against it in court. And so once they got that,
31:39
Speaker 5: I think it turned into a technical case at that point,
31:42
Speaker 5: because we also hear that FBI agent say, you know,
31:46
Speaker 5: with some technical assistance, and that tells me, you know,
31:50
Speaker 5: they're out there now that they've got this potential name
31:54
Speaker 5: to the CNA, let's find this ice phone. So they
31:58
Speaker 5: went back to La respect and they did a grid,
32:02
Speaker 5: uh geographic grid in relationship to the phones that pinged
32:07
Speaker 5: that night, and then they start winning on went on
32:10
Speaker 5: the hunt for that technical piece and that device that
32:14
Speaker 5: I suspect he probably still had on him. In Oklahoma.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Hey, Matthew Mangina, high profile
32:31
Speaker 1: lawyer joining us the Lawrence County jurisdiction, You've handled a
32:34
Speaker 1: lot of cases like this. We keep seeing sketches of
32:39
Speaker 1: him and that hat. What do you want to bet
32:43
Speaker 1: he still had a hat like that in his possession.
32:46
Speaker 6: Well, I'm sure that he did. That's kind of his uh.
32:52
Speaker 5: Stick.
32:52
Speaker 6: I mean, he's going to he's going to have that,
32:54
Speaker 6: He's going to have that hat. If he loses his hat,
32:56
Speaker 6: he's going on and get another one that looks like that.
32:59
Speaker 6: That's all part of, you know, his his appearance and
33:04
Speaker 6: you know the way he likes to present himself.
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Speaker 5: You know.
33:06
Speaker 6: The thing that's alarming here and Nancy about this case is,
33:11
Speaker 6: you know, was he in some way sort of on
33:14
Speaker 6: the radar of uh, the FBI or anybody else because
33:20
Speaker 6: of his involvement with gangs or drug distribution and things
33:25
Speaker 6: like that, and so you wonder, you know, was he
33:29
Speaker 6: was he part of another investigation that was going on
33:33
Speaker 6: unrelated to these crimes that we've been talking about this morning.
33:37
Speaker 6: And you know, it's always you know, would.
33:39
Speaker 5: It could have?
33:40
Speaker 8: Should have?
33:40
Speaker 6: You know, was it possible because he was here illegally
33:43
Speaker 6: to have been taken off the streets earlier? You know,
33:48
Speaker 6: So those are always concerns that you have when you're
33:51
Speaker 6: involved in you know, other sort of high profile investigations
33:57
Speaker 6: of international drug trade and things like that.
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Speaker 1: I noticed that Sheriff Galler does not mind calling out
34:04
Speaker 1: the White House and to every member in both chambers
34:08
Speaker 1: of Congress. He's not picking Republicans or Democrats. He's calling
34:13
Speaker 1: everybody out. He says, we are eighteen hundred miles away
34:18
Speaker 1: here in Harford County, we are eighteen hundred miles away
34:23
Speaker 1: from the southern border, and American citizens are not safe
34:28
Speaker 1: because of failed immigration policies. This guy is a gang
34:34
Speaker 1: member there, I said it. He's involved in a gang
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Speaker 1: that is involved in drugs, bringing drugs illegally into our country.
34:46
Speaker 1: Now he's got two martyr charges and rape charges and
34:51
Speaker 1: assault charges in LA. What more has he done and
34:56
Speaker 1: why is he here?
34:59
Speaker 2: N nol Chalwador. There is a what's you called a
35:02
Speaker 2: red notice, a red notice which is basically an Interpol
35:06
Speaker 2: warrant for his arrest to bring him back there to
35:09
Speaker 2: stand for the homicide of the woman in that case
35:13
Speaker 2: down there. So it was midnight our time, and he
35:18
Speaker 2: was hanging out at a business park or a storefront
35:25
Speaker 2: and the police encountered him and apparently there's a charge
35:29
Speaker 2: of let me say, trespassing, trespassing and he was identified
35:34
Speaker 2: during that arrest and processing.
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Speaker 1: Okay, they're going to make a lot of hay at that.
35:38
Speaker 1: When this thing finally goes to trial. To Matthew Mangino,
35:40
Speaker 1: I profile lawyer, he was arrested for trespassing. What okay.
35:46
Speaker 1: Some of the reports are that he's hanging out outside
35:49
Speaker 1: of a bar, some are that he was sitting in
35:51
Speaker 1: a bar. But the reality is they're going to be
35:55
Speaker 1: able to make out a trespassing case and his arrest
35:59
Speaker 1: is going to be one by the book. They didn't
36:03
Speaker 1: get this far to screw up, now, man Geno.
36:06
Speaker 6: Well, you're right, Nancy, And you know, what you can
36:09
Speaker 6: call this or compare it to is kind of a
36:11
Speaker 6: pretextual stop. So so you might have something on somebody
36:16
Speaker 6: that you want to make in arrest, so you you
36:19
Speaker 6: follow that person until they make a turn without their
36:23
Speaker 6: turn signal, and that's probable cause to stop that vehicle
36:27
Speaker 6: and to move forward. And this is something similar. You know,
36:31
Speaker 6: it's it's not the most important part of this case
36:33
Speaker 6: by any means, but it is an opportunity to take
36:36
Speaker 6: this person into custody so that you can move forward
36:40
Speaker 6: with the other aspects of the investigation or the ultimate
36:44
Speaker 6: indictment and arrest. Right. But you know, Nancy, one thing
36:47
Speaker 6: that I wanted to say about about immigration, which I
36:50
Speaker 6: certainly think is is, you know, sort of the centerpiece here,
36:55
Speaker 6: but you know there's enough blame to go around. I mean, ultimately,
36:58
Speaker 6: there was an opportunity to make the border more secure
37:03
Speaker 6: earlier this year in Congress felt to do that.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Man, Gena, that's a lot bigger problem. I agree,
37:12
Speaker 1: it's something that me, a child lawyer, cannot fix. I've
37:17
Speaker 1: got definite opinions about it, but I want to focus
37:20
Speaker 1: on this guy that I believe murdered a mother of
37:24
Speaker 1: five and attacked a nine year old American girl in
37:28
Speaker 1: her home. I mean, Karen start, can you just break
37:31
Speaker 1: it down. I don't want to hear a lot of psychobabble.
37:34
Speaker 1: No offense, of course, but this nine year old girl
37:38
Speaker 1: will never be the same. Rachel Moore's children will never
37:44
Speaker 1: be the same because this piece of crap was in
37:48
Speaker 1: our country illegally and he murdered Rachel. According to the DNA,
37:54
Speaker 1: You're right.
37:54
Speaker 7: Nancy, And they will never recover from this because this
37:58
Speaker 7: is trauma. So she didn't die of natural causes, which
38:02
Speaker 7: would have been difficult enough. How do we get through
38:05
Speaker 7: something like that? But they know absolutely that she was murdered,
38:10
Speaker 7: They know details, her face, was smashed in, the person
38:15
Speaker 7: planned it very carefully and they are traumatized for the
38:19
Speaker 7: rest of their life. So this is a horrendous situation.
38:24
Speaker 7: And believe me, I will be shocked if they don't
38:27
Speaker 7: find more instances where this has occurred exactly.
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Speaker 1: And I want to talk about the brutality inflict could
38:34
Speaker 1: on Rachel. Doctor Kendall Crown's joining me, Chief medical examiner
38:38
Speaker 1: fort Worth never lack a business there, doctor Kendall Crown's.
38:43
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about her face, her beautiful and very delicate
38:48
Speaker 1: face being bashed in so badly that half of her
38:54
Speaker 1: face was practically gone. Can you tell in an autopsy
39:01
Speaker 1: if she was beaten bludgeon that way in life or
39:07
Speaker 1: post mortem, yes.
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Speaker 11: You can tell. There's usually when you're still alive and
39:12
Speaker 11: being beaten, you will get hemorrhage or bruising or redness
39:17
Speaker 11: of the skin associated with the injuries because it's a
39:20
Speaker 11: reaction of the tissues to the damage. In post mortem case,
39:26
Speaker 11: when they continue to beat you or the injuries happen
39:30
Speaker 11: after death, there's no beating heart, so you don't get
39:33
Speaker 11: the hemorrhage that you see with living wounds.
39:37
Speaker 1: So, in other words, if you're already dead. You don't
39:39
Speaker 1: bruise and bleed because your heart's not bumping anymore. Correct,
39:43
Speaker 1: if you're already dead, you won't see the bleeding and
39:46
Speaker 1: the bruising. That tells me something horrible. Chris mcdonnaugh, You
39:51
Speaker 1: know you and I've tried a lot of homicide cases.
39:55
Speaker 1: You investigating me, prosecuting, This tells me he brutally Eliza's
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Speaker 1: woman and gave her that horrible bludgeoning, stripped her and
40:06
Speaker 1: raped her while she was alive. She felt that a
40:10
Speaker 1: lot of people have hypothesized that she was her face
40:15
Speaker 1: beaten in with a rock. After death post mortem, Rachel
40:22
Speaker 1: felt every blow, she felt the rape. We won't really
40:28
Speaker 1: know what was done to Rachel Mourn until we see
40:31
Speaker 1: the indictment and the autopsy report. But this woman, a
40:38
Speaker 1: mother of five, was dragged off the trail, dragged, beaten, bludgeoned, raped, stripped,
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Speaker 1: and left there by this guy, according to DNA.
40:56
Speaker 5: Yes, in fact, Nancy, I mean, think of the horror
41:00
Speaker 5: of her mindset when she's being pulled off of that
41:04
Speaker 5: trailer in the trail into a dark tunnel, and she's
41:10
Speaker 5: now with a perpetrator who has already done this, This
41:15
Speaker 5: Savage had already murdered another woman in another country, and
41:21
Speaker 5: he had learned from that incident into the brutal attack
41:27
Speaker 5: of this mom of five. We do not know exactly
41:32
Speaker 5: what the extent of her horror was, but I can
41:36
Speaker 5: tell you from my experience, and of course you know
41:39
Speaker 5: from yours. You know, God bless her family, and this
41:45
Speaker 5: was just horrific in nature.
41:48
Speaker 1: We don't have.
41:48
Speaker 11: Any clue where he could be.
41:50
Speaker 9: We don't even know if he's still in Harper County
41:52
Speaker 9: or in the state of Maryland, because obviously in March
41:54
Speaker 9: he was in California, and then here in August he
41:58
Speaker 9: was here in Maryland, so we don't.
41:59
Speaker 5: Know if he's still here.
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Speaker 1: That was then this is now busted Victor Antonio Martinez
42:07
Speaker 1: Hernandez in custody at that time, Colonel Davis saying he
42:12
Speaker 1: could be anywhere, like a needle in a haystack. That's over.
42:19
Speaker 1: He is in custody and if police law enforcement have
42:23
Speaker 1: their way, he will die in a Maryland prison. They
42:29
Speaker 1: don't have the death penalty, but they do have life
42:32
Speaker 1: without parole. And this is what I'm understanding. Less this
42:35
Speaker 1: trust shuck. He has also been traced to Virginia, Virginia.
42:41
Speaker 1: I wonder if there are any unsolved rapes and female homicides.
42:45
Speaker 1: If you notice, all of his victims are people that
42:48
Speaker 1: are less powerful than he is, less cunning, So I
42:53
Speaker 1: would be looking at murdered and assaulted females in the
42:57
Speaker 1: Virginia area. This is the tip of the Iceberg legsis.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, because there are lots of unsolved crimes and around
43:05
Speaker 4: all of these areas of Virginia and Maryland, West Virginia, Washington.
43:09
Speaker 1: D c.
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Speaker 4: All right there, and that's what there's perhaps a connection there.
43:13
Speaker 4: And then in Oklahoma. He's been in Oklahoma for any
43:16
Speaker 4: amount of time, he is for sure to have probably
43:19
Speaker 4: committed a crime there. And then how did he get
43:22
Speaker 4: from Los Angeles to Maryland and then to Oklahoma. Did
43:25
Speaker 4: he git a plane or was he driving across country
43:28
Speaker 4: and stopping and committing crimes all the way along the way,
43:30
Speaker 4: and somebody was harboring him, somebody was keeping him safe.
43:34
Speaker 1: He was living somewhere.
43:36
Speaker 4: I don't believe anyone has ever said that he was homeless,
43:38
Speaker 4: not living on the street or anything. So I think
43:41
Speaker 4: that there are other people that could be prosecuted for
43:43
Speaker 4: this as well, for helping him.
43:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, a gang that is protecting him. A lot of
43:48
Speaker 1: people have said, what's the motive?
43:51
Speaker 2: Listen, we may learn more about Was it just an
43:54
Speaker 2: opportunity because she was on the trail when you know,
43:58
Speaker 2: unfortunately she decided to do out exercising that they or
44:02
Speaker 2: was there something more specific as to the motive? You
44:06
Speaker 2: know we've been how you lift? I guess about it.
44:09
Speaker 2: The charges in the case are.
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Speaker 5: First degree murder and first degree rate.
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Speaker 1: Why ask why? It took me about five years prosecuting
44:17
Speaker 1: violent felonies, and I remember the moment looking over at
44:20
Speaker 1: a defendant in the courtroom, thinking why why would you
44:24
Speaker 1: do this and leave this huge trail of pain behind you?
44:28
Speaker 1: And then it hit me, don't in the head? Why
44:32
Speaker 1: ask why? Why does a wolf rip out the throat
44:38
Speaker 1: of a rabbit Because he's a predator and doesn't think
44:44
Speaker 1: twice about the pain and suffering he causes other people,
44:48
Speaker 1: including not only Rachel Morin, but her mother, her family,
44:54
Speaker 1: her five children, a nine year old girl in la
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Speaker 1: her family. None of these crime victims' families will ever
45:04
Speaker 1: be the same. You're going down, man, and you're staying down.
45:12
Speaker 1: Let's stop and remember an American hero police Officer Arianna Preston, Chicago, Illinois.
45:19
Speaker 1: Just twenty four, Preston shot and killed in the line
45:24
Speaker 1: of duty. Officer Prestin died only a week before getting
45:29
Speaker 1: her Masters in Law from Loyola, survived by grieving mother
45:36
Speaker 1: Dione American hero police officer Arianna Preston. I want to
45:43
Speaker 1: thank all of our guests for being with us. Our
45:47
Speaker 1: thoughts in prayers with Rachel Morin's mother, family and her
45:53
Speaker 1: five beautiful children. That nine year old little girl and
45:59
Speaker 1: her family. Only we can't fix what happened to them,
46:03
Speaker 1: but we can seek justice. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend.