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2022 NFL Draft Recap: Day 2 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome into the two NFL Draft Recap Day two and
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  Speaker 1: podcast j P Shadrick bucking Brooks, John Oser, and Ashley Sullivan.
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  Speaker 1: The Jaguars did not have a second round pick. They
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  Speaker 1: had two third round picks. No moving up. They considered
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  Speaker 1: moving down. They liked the players that were on the
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  Speaker 1: board at number sixty five and seventy and they come
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  Speaker 1: away with an offensive lineman and Luke Fortner from Kentucky
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  Speaker 1: and linebacker Chad MoMA from Wyoming. So let's start on
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  Speaker 1: the offensive line. And um, you know that it's a
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  Speaker 1: position in the interior of the offensive line that's in
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  Speaker 1: a state of change for this organization. Uh. And you
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  Speaker 1: know Brandon Lender's gone, Shatley has been resigned, there's question
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  Speaker 1: at left guard. Ah, here we go. This is Luke
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  Speaker 1: Fortner on the offensive line. Oshan, Yeah, you knew they
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  Speaker 1: were gonna go this route at some point. I think
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  Speaker 1: a couple of ye and it's for the pick. I
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  Speaker 1: kind of like to Bucky instead, it looks like interior
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  Speaker 1: offensive alignment here just because uh, I don't know who'll start,
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  Speaker 1: but this kid's gonna play center. Uh. He was asking
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  Speaker 1: the conference call about starting at center. He he expressed
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  Speaker 1: confidence about it. You knew they weren't going to go
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  Speaker 1: in with only a limited a little number of people
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  Speaker 1: who could snap the ball, so they brought to bring
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  Speaker 1: him in. He's the first selection of the third round. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he's a guy who I would expect if
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't start the opener to start very soon this season.
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  Speaker 1: That's what you draft interior offensive lignment. It is in
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  Speaker 1: the third round. We think, Bucky, what you do well, Lemon,
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  Speaker 1: This is a tough guy to point of attack, hick.
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  Speaker 1: You guy who great communication skills, would do a great
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  Speaker 1: job of keeping everyone lined up and engaged. He can
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  Speaker 1: battle in the phone booth, which is what you need.
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  Speaker 1: But really he's smart enough to understand how to play
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  Speaker 1: with his neighbors beside him, and so he doesn't need
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  Speaker 1: to be a guy that is absolutely mashing people at
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  Speaker 1: a point of attack. But he understands how to be
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  Speaker 1: a part of the puzzle, and I think that is
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  Speaker 1: necessary at the point of attack. Ashlan Hill was he
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  Speaker 1: in the press conference very excited. It was interesting when
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  Speaker 1: we talked to Phil Ralsher, the offensive line coach, and
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  Speaker 1: he mentioned his versatility and he can play maybe at
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  Speaker 1: left guard and center, and then it seemed in the
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  Speaker 1: press conference Doug Peterson was pretty sure that he was
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  Speaker 1: going to be battling for the center job. So very
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  Speaker 1: interesting to see how this shakes out, but it seemed
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  Speaker 1: like Doug was confident that this is going to be
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  Speaker 1: a guy that could possibly be the starting center. They
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  Speaker 1: had to get back to the point of comfort that
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  Speaker 1: they've had for a long time around here, which is
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  Speaker 1: having a guy, whether it's uh Fortner or Shatley, who
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  Speaker 1: isn't starting, but who they feel good about at all
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  Speaker 1: those positions because they've had that luxury. You've got to
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  Speaker 1: have it at this point. Look, if if Fortner does
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  Speaker 1: come in and start, that's not a knock on Shatley.
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  Speaker 1: He's been a great player in that role for a
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  Speaker 1: long time. And that's almost you know, as you look
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  Speaker 1: at the entirety of your roster, you better have that
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  Speaker 1: guy he's wanted. If that position is not one of
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  Speaker 1: your top twenty two, it's one of your top thirty
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  Speaker 1: positions on that team. That's a guaranteed spot, a spot
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  Speaker 1: you've got to have. One of these two guys are
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  Speaker 1: gonna hold it again. I would just expect to be
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  Speaker 1: Fortner because top sixty five in the draft. That's a
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  Speaker 1: premium selection. That's almost the second round. It's only one
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  Speaker 1: spot shot a second. There you go. Thanks, And by
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  Speaker 1: the way, I mean Shaty has made a career off
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  Speaker 1: that being the backup swing guy, emergency starter for three,
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  Speaker 1: four or five get whatever that case is. You can
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  Speaker 1: make a career like that, bucket. Shatleys certainly done that.
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  Speaker 1: He certainly has made a career like that. But obviously
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  Speaker 1: you would like to get younger, even cheaper at the position.
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  Speaker 1: You want someone who has long term potential. The guys
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  Speaker 1: drafting in the third round. You want to give him
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  Speaker 1: an opportunity to compete, And so ultimately this will be one.
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  Speaker 1: Is Shadley able to use enough oh Man tricks to
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  Speaker 1: kind of find a way to can keep the job?
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  Speaker 1: Can he be a guy that excels and the offense
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  Speaker 1: flows with him where the coaches are uncomfortable making a
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  Speaker 1: move because it derails maybe the flow of the offense.
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  Speaker 1: If you think about the offensive line as a whole.
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  Speaker 1: Now you love the fact that you can name off
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  Speaker 1: seven guys who you feel pretty good, who who you
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  Speaker 1: should feel pretty good about being in there, the starters
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  Speaker 1: and then at right tackle John Taylor or Walker Little.
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  Speaker 1: I assume we'll start, Uh, you feel good about whoever
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  Speaker 1: is not starting there. I don't know you feel great
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  Speaker 1: about fort yet. He's a rookie. You never seen him play.
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  Speaker 1: But in theory, you should feel good about either Fortner
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  Speaker 1: or Shatley playing guard or center. So you're back to
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  Speaker 1: that number you need, and you've brought Will Richardson back,
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  Speaker 1: so it feels like they're back to having I think
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  Speaker 1: you need eight pretty much, and then you know after
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  Speaker 1: that you started taking your chances. But you've got to
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  Speaker 1: feel good now about seven eight offensive linemen. That's the
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  Speaker 1: number you need to get back to. It feels like
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  Speaker 1: with this pick they did that. Let's move along to
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  Speaker 1: the seventie overall pick in the third round, linebacker Chad
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  Speaker 1: MoMA from Wyoming. And it's quite a change in the
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  Speaker 1: linebacker room this year for the Jaguars organization. Miles Jack
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  Speaker 1: is gone. He's now with the Pittsburgh Steelers. They bring
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  Speaker 1: in Foyer Loukon and free agency, they bring in Devin
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  Speaker 1: Lloyd in the first round last night, They've got Chad Mooman.
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  Speaker 1: Now in the third round, Ashlyn, a guy who was
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  Speaker 1: very productive at Yeah it was I really appreciated his
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  Speaker 1: honesty and he was saying, you know, I really didn't
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  Speaker 1: think it was gonna be Jackson. And finally someone asked,
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  Speaker 1: well why not. He's like, well, they drafted Devin Lloyd
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  Speaker 1: and I thought that was going to be the linebacker.
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  Speaker 1: But then Trent Balky made a great point in his
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  Speaker 1: press conference that you can never have enough of these
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  Speaker 1: guys and to have some backups it's never a bad thing,
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  Speaker 1: and who knows who the starters are going to be.
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  Speaker 1: But it was just the candor of him. He was
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  Speaker 1: like near tears in its press conference and his interview.
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  Speaker 1: The best thing of all is we get off the interview.
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  Speaker 1: And he asked myself in the pr staff if we
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  Speaker 1: can get a coach on the call because he wants
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  Speaker 1: someone to overnight him a playbook. Yeah, And there was
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  Speaker 1: no like, oh look at me like it's an interview.
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  Speaker 1: Like he was genuine like I want to get to
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  Speaker 1: work tonight. All right, Yeah, I had went on is
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  Speaker 1: he hey. I think a believer that when people talk
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  Speaker 1: about teams, they spend way too much time. They look
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  Speaker 1: at the depth chart and you see a couple of
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  Speaker 1: stories say, well they're set there and that's really not
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  Speaker 1: the case because once you get into the season, all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden in October, you get injury there and
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're not set there and it's
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  Speaker 1: a huge weakness. This team hasn't had enough good players
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  Speaker 1: over the last what SEP two hasn't seen ten years.
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  Speaker 1: So it's okay to have a spot where if one
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  Speaker 1: of those top two guys get hurt, you're not panicking
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  Speaker 1: and sit in the press box with your head in
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  Speaker 1: your hands, going, well, here we go again. So, uh,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, but you can speak to this as well.
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  Speaker 1: When you add linebackers and a secondary in the draft,
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  Speaker 1: you're adding them in two spots. You're adding them where
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  Speaker 1: they play, and you're adding them on special teams. And
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  Speaker 1: Bucky I talked about it better they have you talked
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  Speaker 1: about it. Uh, this is where you add speed and
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  Speaker 1: dynamic athletic ability to your team. You don't really do
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  Speaker 1: in the offensive line or defense necessarily visually. When these
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  Speaker 1: guys are fast, you're a fast team. Yeah, you're fast teaming.
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  Speaker 1: It shows up in your defensive not in your defensive room,
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  Speaker 1: but also in your special teams. We talked about the
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  Speaker 1: linebackers have to play those roles. There's your core special teamers, uh,
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  Speaker 1: kickoff coverage, punt coverage. Those are the guys that play,
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  Speaker 1: They cover kicks, they do things. They work in return
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  Speaker 1: game a little bit, but you know you're gonna get that. Um.
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  Speaker 1: I think, as you're trying to upgrade the team and
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  Speaker 1: we're building it to be at a tramp championship level,
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  Speaker 1: it needs to be where you have enough blue chip
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  Speaker 1: players that are vying for for playing time. And so
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  Speaker 1: MoMA comes in. He's a different style player than Devon Lloyd.
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  Speaker 1: So even though they both have LB listed beside their name,
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  Speaker 1: they played the game in a different fashion. And so
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  Speaker 1: when you think about the ability to throw a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of different combinations at teams as you're blessing them, moment
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  Speaker 1: is a great fit. And I think he and Devin
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  Speaker 1: Lloyd your team haven't be a nice tantum. But you've
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  Speaker 1: already talked about this on our on our broadcast earlier,
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  Speaker 1: But you were excited about Devin Lloyd last night when
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  Speaker 1: you first saw this moment, pick, I thought your excitement
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  Speaker 1: was just about that level. You like this kid a lot, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like him. I had both of those guys listen to
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  Speaker 1: it's like top five linebackers in the draft. I expect
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  Speaker 1: the moment to come off the boards somewhere in the
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  Speaker 1: second round because to me, he's a guy that should
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  Speaker 1: compete for a starting role. If you want a visual
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  Speaker 1: picture of who we should play like, uh, think about
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  Speaker 1: Logan Wilson, the linebacker from Cincinnati. He's a better version
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  Speaker 1: of what Logan Wilson is. Logan Wilson was the starter
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  Speaker 1: for a Super Bowl team who made a ton of players.
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  Speaker 1: This kid is athletic. He's like one of the new
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  Speaker 1: school linebackers that can cover running backs and tied ends
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  Speaker 1: and do things. He can blizz. He just stuffs the stats.
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  Speaker 1: And I know we talked about it on the previous show.
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  Speaker 1: We talked about the green dot. I thought it was
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  Speaker 1: important when Trent Baky talked about he's a guy who
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  Speaker 1: can wear the green dot. Um asked, and you talked
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  Speaker 1: about and wanting to playbook. He's a communicator, he's a
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  Speaker 1: traffic cop. He may be alleviating some of the pressure
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  Speaker 1: on the other guys from having to call it because
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  Speaker 1: he understands how the process it called and getting one
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  Speaker 1: lined up while still being there play at a high
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  Speaker 1: level yeah. He mentioned that in his interview, the amount
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  Speaker 1: of games and time it some different scenarios where he
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  Speaker 1: has been the play caller and the communicator, and it's
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  Speaker 1: something he said he prides himself on. And I told
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  Speaker 1: him what Trent Bauk he said about him. He goes, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, that's exactly how I see myself is the
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  Speaker 1: green dot guy. And something else Bucky mentioned earlier the
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  Speaker 1: fact that people look at moments that where they drafted
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  Speaker 1: him as a reserve because Devin Lloyd's on the team,
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  Speaker 1: but Bucky's at the belief that he helps this team
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  Speaker 1: get much more versatile defensively and can really play into
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  Speaker 1: what this defense is going to be in terms of
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  Speaker 1: disguising in terms of being versatile Bucky. So, I think
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  Speaker 1: when we're talking about the versatility, we have to talk
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  Speaker 1: about the defense on the whole, and we'll get into
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  Speaker 1: it later after the draft is done. But you think
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  Speaker 1: about the pieces that have been a symbol ar and
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  Speaker 1: key upfront, being able to guy that can jump inside
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  Speaker 1: and sub packages rush from inside. I know they talked
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  Speaker 1: about Traven walking up moving around, but ultimately we say
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  Speaker 1: that by the time we get to the regular season,
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  Speaker 1: they'll be fascinating. They'll move him around and he'll be
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  Speaker 1: standing up and doing all this other stuff. And so
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  Speaker 1: if you think about third down defense, that's where the
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  Speaker 1: fund typically happens. If the team is good and they
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  Speaker 1: can handle a high volume of stuff, that's when you
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  Speaker 1: see all the athletes. Hey, let's put the best eleven
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  Speaker 1: athletes on the field. Let's find a way to kind
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  Speaker 1: of junk up the game and make it tough of
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  Speaker 1: the quarterback. And so you have all these bodies walking
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  Speaker 1: around moving, some guys blissing, some guys dropping. That's when
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  Speaker 1: you get free runners. That's when the turnover is be
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  Speaker 1: gonna happen. I think that's key JP, because I think
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  Speaker 1: when you first saw this guy's name, you're thinking of
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  Speaker 1: a depth chart with two ironbackers already and think, well,
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  Speaker 1: this guy is gonna play ten percent of the snaps.
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  Speaker 1: But the reality is in this day and age, in
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  Speaker 1: the modern NFL, a player like this is really going
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  Speaker 1: to be one of what fourteen or fifteen starters, because
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  Speaker 1: after think of the league these days. So I don't
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  Speaker 1: think this is a throwaway pick where you're drafting a
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  Speaker 1: guy for depth and special teams. This is the guy
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  Speaker 1: who's gonna matter in the defense the way they're seeing it.
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  Speaker 1: Let's come back in a moment. We'll preview tomorrow. The
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars have six picks on the docket and a big
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  Speaker 1: press conference ahead. More in a moment. Welcome back to
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  Speaker 1: two NFL Draft recap. Day two in the books. Day
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  Speaker 1: three tomorrow should be a busy day around here. We'll
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  Speaker 1: get to the draft picks. First fifth round pick seven overall,
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  Speaker 1: three sixth round picks, and then to seventh round picks. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you just kind of play the chalk and go pick
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  Speaker 1: the board. Here are you're playing around with picks? Bucky,
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  Speaker 1: what do you think? You kind of pick and choose,
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  Speaker 1: You kind of go around. What you do is after
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  Speaker 1: the night, you reassess where you are. The fourth round
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  Speaker 1: should be the key round because the fourth round is
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  Speaker 1: what we call the developmental player round. Once you get
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  Speaker 1: beyond that, you're talking about guys who have developmental players,
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  Speaker 1: but you're beginning to skew more towards free agent types,
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of times when you're draft in the
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  Speaker 1: six and seventh round, you're drafting free agents that you
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  Speaker 1: want to secure and make sure you have. So the
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  Speaker 1: fourth round is if you're going to make moves. You
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  Speaker 1: want to make moves again into the fourth round because
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  Speaker 1: you should be able to find guys who either had
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  Speaker 1: injuries and middle concerns, character concerns. They kind of prevented
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  Speaker 1: them from being Day one and Day two guys, but
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  Speaker 1: they're really really good ball players, and normally that is
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  Speaker 1: where you find these guys. The guys in the fourth
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  Speaker 1: round there was something that was off that prevented him
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  Speaker 1: from being drafted higher, but they may still may be
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  Speaker 1: really good players. And you sort of wonder how Trent
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  Speaker 1: felt about this fourth round. And he was asked in
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  Speaker 1: the press conference a week ago about his being a
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  Speaker 1: really deep draft. I think I was the one who
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  Speaker 1: asked him, and he kind of said, well, at some positions,
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  Speaker 1: but but he he was sort of saying it was
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  Speaker 1: maybe not as deep as some of the analysts thought.
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  Speaker 1: By trading for Lloyd the other night, he gave up
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  Speaker 1: right now being in that fourth round. So you sort
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  Speaker 1: of wonder if he wasn't saying before and hey, I
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  Speaker 1: don't love the fourth round the way some people do.
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  Speaker 1: I'd rather give up that spot and go get a
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  Speaker 1: guy right like in the first round. But if he
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  Speaker 1: was thinking that this sort of the way it played out.
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  Speaker 1: So here's what has happened. And talking to people around
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  Speaker 1: the league, they talked about this draft is being really good.
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  Speaker 1: It's really good second through fourth round, but he really
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  Speaker 1: drops off the cliff, like once you get past a
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  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty of player, there's a huge drop off.
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  Speaker 1: And so some of what you hear Trent alluding to
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  Speaker 1: is knowing, yeah, and once I get to a certain point,
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  Speaker 1: the guys that we're taking, we're just taking. They're not
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  Speaker 1: necessarily guys that are gone by for legitimate spots. So
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  Speaker 1: rather than either waste of picks, kind of auction off
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  Speaker 1: some of the picks and either move them off into
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  Speaker 1: next year or move up this year. But I think
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  Speaker 1: you won't see those picks used on guys this year.
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  Speaker 1: Late in the row, Devin Lloyd press conference coming up.
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  Speaker 1: I saw that the plane has arrived tonight. I believe
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  Speaker 1: he'll be in the building tomorrow. I believe ten o'clock
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  Speaker 1: as the press conference time Ashland is all that correct,
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  Speaker 1: ten o'clock in Jacksonville, and we'll see him at ten o'clock.
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  Speaker 1: We'll look forward to seeing and hearing that on Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: dot Com of course, and the Jaguars social media channels.
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  Speaker 1: That'll do it for our podcast tonight, Luke Partner at
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  Speaker 1: the sixty five overall pick in the third round, Chadmuma,
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  Speaker 1: the linebacker from Wyoming, the seventy overall pick in the
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  Speaker 1: third round. Again ten o'clock tomorrow, the Devin Lloyd Press Conference.
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  Speaker 1: That's it for Day two of the twenty two NFL
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  Speaker 1: Draft for Ashan Sullivan, John Oser, Bucky Brooks, and Joe
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  Speaker 1: for Tonado. I'm JP Shadrick will catch you tomorrow afternoon