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#056_ Ideas, Stories, and Reflections That Make You Think Differently · INSPIRE STORY

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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  Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night.
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  Speaker 1: All day. David. Joseph.
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  Speaker 2: Good to see you.
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  Speaker 1: Good to see you.
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  Speaker 2: Dude, I haven't seen you in a long fucking time.
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  Speaker 2: When was the last time we were actually in a
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  Speaker 2: room together?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I was trying to think of that. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I would imagine post-news radio we hung out at some
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  Speaker 1: point at some show somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: Somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't know. But I do remember... Uh, cause
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  Speaker 1: I did news radio a couple of times and we,
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  Speaker 1: we hung out and I remember, I think we both
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  Speaker 1: know just you had more hair than, uh, I was
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  Speaker 1: probably already at this point.
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  Speaker 2: I was fighting to keep it. I was hanging on.
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  Speaker 1: Are you, do you shave or is that it? Is that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it's, I mean, I'm bald. If I didn't shave,
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  Speaker 2: I'd be bald all the way up here, but I
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  Speaker 2: got a hair transplant and it was useless.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I did a joke about it. I go, having a
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  Speaker 2: hair transplant is like taking people that are healthy and
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  Speaker 2: moving them into a neighborhood where everyone's dying. This is
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  Speaker 2: just like, where did Bob go? He just fucking flew
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  Speaker 2: off the face of the earth.
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  Speaker 1: So, yeah, so you just accepted it and said, fuck it.
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  Speaker 2: I should have done it a long time ago. It's
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  Speaker 2: so much better. And I don't have to talk to
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  Speaker 2: a barber. I don't have to listen to boring fucking
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  Speaker 2: stories while they hold you hostage with a pair of scissors.
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  Speaker 1: That's what this is. This gets me I don't like shaving.
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  Speaker 1: I don't, it's kind of a pain in the ass.
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  Speaker 1: And I also, I look like a, uh, kind of
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  Speaker 1: a turtle. I look like a turtle, you know, when
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  Speaker 1: I shave and I don't like it. Um, and it's
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  Speaker 1: not attractive to me and I jerk off to me
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  Speaker 1: all the time. So I want to keep things fresh. Uh, but, uh,
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  Speaker 1: This– I probably don't have to. I could probably get
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  Speaker 1: clippers and stuff. But I go to one of my
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  Speaker 1: guys around the corner where I live and I have
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  Speaker 1: this experience where I want that– I want to get
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  Speaker 1: in and out, right? Because of what you were saying.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of chit-chat. And there are a couple of guys,
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  Speaker 1: very quiet. Hi, how are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: Good.
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  Speaker 1: Fist bump, whatever. You know what I want. Get out
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  Speaker 1: of there. There's one guy who– It just talks all–
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  Speaker 1: and then they have that– the blade. What do you
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  Speaker 1: call that? The blade blade. Straight razor. Thank you. And
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  Speaker 1: they got it right there, so you got to be polite.
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  Speaker 1: It's on your– it's by your– and I know I
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  Speaker 1: could avoid it if I just get some clippers and
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  Speaker 1: just do this thing, but I don't. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: That was boring.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry.
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  Speaker 1: There's no point to it. It barely has anything to
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  Speaker 1: do with what we were talking about.
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  Speaker 2: There's something about a beard, though, that makes you distinguished
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  Speaker 2: or at least have experience.
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  Speaker 1: Or look like a homeless, you know, alcoholic. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there are plenty of those guys, too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of those, too. But a beard
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  Speaker 2: is like there's a statement with a beard. Like a
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  Speaker 2: full beard like yours, white.
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  Speaker 1: Mine is just– I don't like shaving. Like– and again,
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  Speaker 1: I do– like I only gain weight in two places,
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  Speaker 1: stomach and right here. And also I have a kind
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  Speaker 1: of a thin frame. So it's really not attractive.
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  Speaker 2: It's not attractive.
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  Speaker 1: So the beard is sort of– It's more laziness. I
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  Speaker 1: don't have to worry about it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: No, I hear you.
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  Speaker 1: And this, you know, I just– I go, I don't know, six,
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  Speaker 1: seven weeks and then I just shave it. Once it
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  Speaker 1: gets out– because this– my hair doesn't grow down or–
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  Speaker 1: it just grows out like a clown. You know, it
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  Speaker 1: goes this way. All of it. Even this too. And
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  Speaker 1: once this starts filling in, it just looks goofy.
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  Speaker 3: Goofy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a friend, my friend Hassan, he used
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  Speaker 2: to shave his head and now purposely to look goofy,
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  Speaker 2: he lets the sides go out. And it's madness. It's just,
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  Speaker 2: it's all fucking crazy thick hair.
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  Speaker 1: And bald on top.
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  Speaker 2: And bald on top, yeah. And he does a joke
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  Speaker 2: on stage about it. He's Indian. This is my impression
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  Speaker 2: of an Indian pussy.
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  Speaker 1: And is he just, like, not? Concerned about getting laid.
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  Speaker 2: Or– Yeah, I think he's just embracing– but he still
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  Speaker 2: gets laid because he's really funny. I think he just
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  Speaker 2: embraces not giving a fuck. There he is.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, he looks familiar to me.
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  Speaker 2: OK. Very funny guy.
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  Speaker 1: All right, cool.
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  Speaker 2: He's one of the up and comer– well, he's from
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  Speaker 2: LA originally. He was one of the doormen at the
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  Speaker 2: comedy store.
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  Speaker 1: OK. He looks very professorial.
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  Speaker 2: He's very smart.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but doesn't give a fuck about his hair. Who's that?
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  Speaker 2: Art Bell.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to guess Art Bell. I swear to God.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I swear to God. I don't even know if I've
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  Speaker 1: ever seen him.
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  Speaker 2: Coast to coast. Yes. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Holy shit.
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  Speaker 2: From the Kingdom of Nigh.
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  Speaker 5: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: I fucking love that show. That was the show that
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  Speaker 2: I listened to coming home from Hollywood because I lived
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  Speaker 2: out in the valley and I would drive home at
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  Speaker 2: night and I'd listen to Late Night with Art Bell.
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  Speaker 2: It was the best.
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  Speaker 1: Coast to coast with Art Bell. I used to do
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  Speaker 1: a whole bit about... Because who's the new guy?
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  Speaker 2: George Norey. George Norey, right.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm going to digress for one second. Did you
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  Speaker 1: ever– do you play video games at all? Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I try not to. But I used to play
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  Speaker 2: a lot of them.
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  Speaker 1: Did you ever play Prey?
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  Speaker 2: No, but I know what it is.
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  Speaker 1: A great underrated game got ripped off or just people
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  Speaker 1: bit certain things that they started. But one of the
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  Speaker 1: coolest things– So it's about like this– it takes place
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  Speaker 1: on a reservation in the 90s I guess or something
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  Speaker 1: like that. And there's a bartender and her boyfriend and
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  Speaker 1: it takes place in this bar and then aliens come.
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  Speaker 1: And then this guy goes on the alien ship to
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  Speaker 1: go rescue her. But they did this really cool thing.
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  Speaker 1: So first they have this– In the video game, right
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  Speaker 1: at the bar, there's a TV. And as you walk
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  Speaker 1: towards it, it's like staticky until you get closer to it.
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  Speaker 1: And then as your character gets closer to it, it's
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  Speaker 1: Art Bell talking about aliens and stuff. I know I'm
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  Speaker 1: not doing it justice, but it was such a cool,
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  Speaker 1: smart idea. And God bless him.
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  Speaker 2: He was the OG.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And just some of the guy... One thing that–
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  Speaker 1: because I listen to it a lot too because sometimes,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you're listening and you're like, this is insane.
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  Speaker 1: This is crazy. And he would always, always treat the
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  Speaker 1: guest with deference, you know, respect. And I– that must
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  Speaker 1: have been– because there were things that were, you know,
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  Speaker 1: if you go back to all the episodes that were
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  Speaker 1: kind of contradictory in a sense, you know, like Wait,
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  Speaker 1: you think all these things happen? You think there's a
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  Speaker 1: place in the middle of the ocean that has– like
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  Speaker 1: it's a community of people that live there and then–
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  Speaker 1: but you also think this– like all these different things,
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  Speaker 1: it would be like, hmm, interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he would let you go.
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  Speaker 1: He'd let you go, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He'd give us some air.
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  Speaker 1: But he was– yeah, he was never rude or– No, never.
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  Speaker 2: You'd call him up. He had a time traveler line.
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  Speaker 2: Where you would call specifically if you were a time traveler.
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  Speaker 1: But if you were calling from the past, they didn't
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  Speaker 1: have that technology yet.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's mostly people from the future, I believe.
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  Speaker 1: Like, Art, I'm calling from seven minutes in the future.
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  Speaker 2: Listen. I think his whole deal was if you are
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  Speaker 2: here in this current era, but you are from another time,
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  Speaker 2: you could call. Because, you know, the idea was like
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  Speaker 2: he would have these– Remote viewers and oddballs on and
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  Speaker 2: they would talk about that we have had the ability
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  Speaker 2: to time travel for a long time. Oh, yeah. There
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  Speaker 2: are wormholes that exist and they explain the quantum dynamics
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  Speaker 2: involved and time travel has been breached by the CIA
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  Speaker 2: in the 1960s.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And you have these people call up, but Art would
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  Speaker 2: always like give them air, like let them breathe.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Let it breathe.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Art.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a werewolf. Interesting. Tell me more. Like it, it
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  Speaker 2: didn't matter no matter what it was. It was a
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  Speaker 2: fun show.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I loved it.
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  Speaker 2: Craziest people from fucking Bigfoot people to alien people, everything.
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  Speaker 1: And, and then a lot of people, uh, ex military, right.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you get that like whistleblowers.
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  Speaker 6: Um, I was, uh, stationed in, uh, you know, outside of, uh,
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  Speaker 6: a remote Island that, uh, I can't go into, uh,
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  Speaker 6: from Singapore. And, uh, I witnessed some things that I
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  Speaker 6: still have difficulty believing. And then he just, yeah, what happened?
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  Speaker 2: It was great.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So fun.
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  Speaker 1: And you, so did you also listen to Phil Hendry?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, God.
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  Speaker 2: He was the best.
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  Speaker 1: Super genius.
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  Speaker 2: The best thing about Phil Hendry was the people that
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  Speaker 2: didn't understand what was going on. They would call in
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  Speaker 2: and be really upset.
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  Speaker 1: The first two times I heard him, I didn't understand
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  Speaker 1: what he was doing. He's that good, too. And I
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  Speaker 1: would be like, this is crazy, this guy. And then
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  Speaker 1: eventually you're like, oh, he's doing characters because he'd repeat
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  Speaker 1: characters and stuff. But I got the chance to watch
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  Speaker 1: him do a show. So he's got three mics, I
• 10:15
  Speaker 1: want to say. like two mics like this and then
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  Speaker 1: a phone mic or, you know, a phone, like a hand, uh, uh,
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  Speaker 1: old time, you know, cradle phone. And he was doing himself, uh, the,
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  Speaker 1: the woman who's, uh, runs the, uh, HOA or whatever that, uh,
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  Speaker 1: whatever her name was that, that character. And then somebody
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  Speaker 1: else calling in, like he did somebody calling on the
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  Speaker 1: phone and it was, uh, I mean, it was like
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  Speaker 1: a magic act.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It was crazy to watch how, without missing a beat.
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  Speaker 1: And I could see, you could see how he strategically
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  Speaker 1: takes breaths so that he can go from one character
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  Speaker 1: to another and interrupting each other.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it was fascinating. But he's a genius.
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  Speaker 2: It's the only thing that caught, right away, I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: wait a minute, there's no cross talk. Like, right, one
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  Speaker 2: of the early times I listened, I was like, I
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  Speaker 2: think this is the same guy. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he's, he bumps it up. Like he's really good at, at, uh, almost,
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  Speaker 1: you know, making it sound as if like, cause he'll
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  Speaker 1: interrupt himself and go, and I, okay, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: and stop and then just go right into the other voice.
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  Speaker 1: It's fucking phenomenal.
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  Speaker 2: And, and completely original. Like, I don't know of anybody
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  Speaker 2: else that did anything like that.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 1: Did you ever, um, he used to put out stuff
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  Speaker 1: for charity, like, uh, CDs and things. And he has, uh,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what it would be called, but it
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  Speaker 1: was one of the, one of the things he put
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  Speaker 1: out for charity. That was, um, a guy called into
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  Speaker 1: the station. I think he was probably super high, but
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  Speaker 1: he called in thinking it was pizza hut. And he
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  Speaker 1: fucks with this guy in the best way where he's like, uh,
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  Speaker 1: And who's the– what's the woman character he does? It's
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  Speaker 1: kind of like a black woman who's like, honey, it
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  Speaker 1: is the– I don't know, Marjorie I think maybe. But
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  Speaker 1: he– then he does that woman answering the phone at
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  Speaker 1: Pizza Hut and then he does the automated thing like,
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  Speaker 1: She's like, I'm going to put you on. It's easier
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  Speaker 1: to do the automated thing. And the guy's like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: all right. And then he gets out. He's like, thank
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  Speaker 1: you for calling Pizza Hut, the best pizza in a
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  Speaker 1: three-block radius. And if you want– I'm not doing it justice.
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  Speaker 1: You got to go do it.
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  Speaker 2: Hear it. Listen.
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  Speaker 1: Can you– yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You got it? I think so.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Headphones. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: It's so brilliant.
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  Speaker 2: Wait. Whichever is large. Yes.
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  Speaker 4: You got the 16-inch deep pan dish pan. You got
• 13:14
  Speaker 4: the dish pan deep or extra deep? Just a regular
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  Speaker 4: large thick crust. 16-inch thick crust on a deep dish?
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  Speaker 4: You want puff dish?
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 4: You want any of them puffy cheese balls, anything like that?
• 13:26
  Speaker 4: We got a special on buffalo wing. We got a
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  Speaker 4: special on, damn, I forgot the other thing. We got
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  Speaker 4: a special on something. All right, what do you want?
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  Speaker 4: What kind of cheese do you want? Blue, Swiss, cheddar, Munster.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I think I'm going to have the wrong location here.
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  Speaker 4: All right, hold on.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for calling Pizza.
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  Speaker 3: Your call is being transferred. Please have all credit card
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  Speaker 3: information available for our operators.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, Pizza, hello. Hi, yes. Hi. Hi, which location are
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  Speaker 4: you at? We are at the corner of La Cienega
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  Speaker 4: and Venice. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I'd like to place an order for delivery.
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  Speaker 4: All right. Can I put you on hold? We'll put
• 14:09
  Speaker 4: you through our automated system. Hold on, please.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for calling pizza. If you'd like cheese pizza,
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  Speaker 3: press 1. If you'd like a meatball pizza, press 2.
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  Speaker 3: If you'd like sausage, press 3. Press 2.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it goes on and on and on. He goes–
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: he eventually gets the guy a fish pizza and the
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  Speaker 1: guy is like.
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  Speaker 2: No, man.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want– it's really funny. But that's him. That's
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  Speaker 1: Phil doing all those voices and that's not set up.
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  Speaker 1: A guy had called into the studio thinking it was
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  Speaker 1: pizza and they're like, take this call.
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: Did you ever meet him?
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: I did briefly at– when I got to see him
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  Speaker 1: do his– he did a live show at Aspen Comedy Festival.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Long, long, long time ago.
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  Speaker 2: I did something with him, Bob Odenkirk, and Doug Stanhope.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: And Adam Carolla. I don't remember where it was. I
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: want to say it was somewhere in Canada, but it
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: was some sit-down. We were talking about the process of
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: going through– because he was in the middle of doing
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: some sort of a television show pilot.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So we were talking about the process of creating a pilot.
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  Speaker 2: And what it's like trying to get a pilot to
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  Speaker 2: an actual Finnish television show and get it approved and
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: what the struggles are.
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  Speaker 1: It was very interesting.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it was for– it was like one
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  Speaker 2: of those Montreal Comedy Festival things.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It makes sense. Where they had some– it was like
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: some weird– it was a long time ago. It was like, God,
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  Speaker 2: it had to be like 2001 or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I vaguely remember when he was– there was going
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: to be– because he would talk about it doing this sitcom.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, did it ever happen?
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so, no.
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  Speaker 2: He was a really nice guy, though. Not what I
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  Speaker 2: expected at all. I expected him to be fucking insane.
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  Speaker 2: Just like just to be able to do that every
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  Speaker 2: night and not get bored with just completely fucking with
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  Speaker 2: people every day.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's got to be exhausting to like mentally because
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: you're you've got to remember. It's like like really great
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  Speaker 1: improv guys where you have to remember all these details.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: Bring them back 30 minutes later. Right? And you're doing
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: multiple characters. You ever see TJ and Dave?
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, dude. The best.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 6: What is it?
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: It's TJ Jadigowski and Dave Pasquese, who are like the
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: kings of that stuff out of Chicago. And they come–
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  Speaker 1: they tour around. And they're just– they're two guys who–
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  Speaker 1: It starts off, you know, none of it's planned. And
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  Speaker 1: they have like a dedicated cult following. When they're in
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  Speaker 1: New York, it sells out like that. And you got
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: to go to at least two shows to see how
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: wildly different it is. I mean, there are two guys
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: that come out on stage. Usually it was like three chairs.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: And it'll just start with like, you know, how's it going? Good, good, good.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Are you in line?
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: No, no, no.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: And you watch it like, oh, they're in line. Where
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: are they in line at? Do they know each other?
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: And then it turns out they're at the DMV, but
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: they're not. It's like a room outside of the DMV.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: And then they will leave and come back and be
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: somebody else, right? A kid that was mentioned or a
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: wife or something, or be in a car. And it
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: all wraps up. It's all a big story. And I
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: have seen, I've probably seen him 30, 40 times. And
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: I've seen shows where– that were more– that were funnier
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: and more poignant than some plays that have been worked
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: on for years.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: It's better. Completely improvised?
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Completely, 100 percent.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, they're– I mean– do you know Tim Meadows?
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: So Tim was a guest. Sometimes I'll have a third person.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: I know who he is. I don't know him.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: So I was– and Tim's been– SNL. Yeah, and ensconced
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: in that Second City world for decades. And he said
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: it was the most terrifying thing he's ever done because
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: they're like genius level. I mean, the detail you have
• 18:34
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• 18:39
  Speaker 1: of them is, you know, I'm a marine biologist or whatever,
• 18:43
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• 18:46
  Speaker 1: The real person playing the fake marine biologist has to
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: know enough about marine biology to keep the thing going,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: you know, and it's just next level.
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• 20:10
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• 20:15
  Speaker 2: on a podcast alone. He doesn't have anybody with him.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Most of his podcasts are just him ranting. And I've
• 20:23
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• 20:26
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• 20:29
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• 20:36
  Speaker 1: And like old school AM late night radio guys right
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: who don't have people calling in who are like talking
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: about whatever and they gotta do it you know four
• 20:47
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• 20:50
  Speaker 2: By themselves yeah I used to always like to listen
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: to them I used to like to listen to those
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: crazy right wing angry political talk shows cause I don't
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: I didn't know anybody like that so I was like
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: what what is this guy doing.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: I well uh That's, that was the bulk of the radio.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's why, you know, you have like Art
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Bell and Phil Hendry, like a nice, like, Oh, okay.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Cause I got all this, I got Mark Levin and
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: I got, uh, you know, uh, what's his name?
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: You know, Rush Limbaugh.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Rush Limbaugh. Yeah. And, uh, and when you, when you
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: first start listening or when I first started listening, uh,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: and I came out to LA from Boston, you know,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: and people were like, there's this guy out here who's
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: fucking nuts, you know? And, uh, uh, I'd never heard
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: of him in Boston. And then, and you're like, does he,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: how much of this stuff does he believe? Does he
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: really believe? And how much has he come to believe?
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Does that make sense?
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And, uh, And those guys– that was a whole
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: fascinating thing. And Wally George. Do you remember Wally George?
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: I do, but I don't remember much about him. I
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: remember the name. What did Wally George do?
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: He was the guy who originated what– I mean now
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: it's really familiar. Remember Morton Downey Jr.? He was a
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: little after Wally George.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's right. That's right.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: And he would– look, 83, and he was– and it
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: was a super low-budget– cable access type thing back when
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: that was a whole thing and he'd get the audience
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: would be hooting and hollering and he'd have people on
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: like somebody who and sometimes they i i think because
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: it became popular sort of like with morton downey jr
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: where people came on to quote unquote fuck with wally
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: george like i'm gonna pretend to be a you know
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: uh a furry way and I'm going to, you know,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: have gauges and, and you know what I mean? Like
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: just the archetype of the thing they want to yell at. And, uh,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: and I think people started, it was, there were some
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: bullshit people on there, you know, people lying about who
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: they were, but he'd have people on and then, uh,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: and then kick them off. It would happen all the time. Like,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: come on, sit down. What the fuck do you think
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: you're doing? And everybody would yell at the person. They'd
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: start talking. Get the fuck out of here. And that
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: was the show. And here's something really crazy. And tell
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: me if this is rumor. Look up at your magic computer.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Rebecca De Mornay's dad. The actress.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: That's. Yeah. Wally George?
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: No.
• 23:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: Really?
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Look it up. Casey, right?
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: Jamie.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Jamie?
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: I'm going to call you Casey.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: I forget who Rebecca De Mornay was.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: From Risky Business.
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: Oh, wow.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Wow, her dad? Yeah. Is Wally George.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy?
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Married multiple times.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: Shocker.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Potentially ten times. Had at least six children.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Holy shit, look at how many times he was married. One, two, three, four.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Possibly ten.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Possibly ten.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine just keep fucking signing up? I don't.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: I just read literally the other day Fleetwood Mac guy
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: getting married for the fifth time. He's 182. And he's
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: getting like, what?
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Stop.
• 24:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Why do you want to keep doing that? They believe.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: They really believe this is it. This is the one.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: You have to say those vows and mean it each time.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Or not.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Or just say, this is just a fun thing that
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: I do to keep a lady happy.
• 24:48
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Or just have a party, I guess. Yeah.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Have a party and pretend that you're normal now.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: And you're married?
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: How long have you been married?
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: 17 years.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, nice.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: It'll be 14 in October.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: If I get divorced, that's a wrap.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: What do you mean?
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Like I'm happy, happily married. I don't want to get divorced.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that. But if I ever get divorced,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: I'm never.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, same here.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, I feel the same.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Silly.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: I'm not having any more children. So if I don't
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: have any children, it makes no sense to legally be
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: bound to some person. Can we just hang out?
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: I am 100% with you. And I was never a–
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Anti-marriage guy. But I just didn't think I'd get married
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: because I didn't want to. And then eventually I met
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: somebody who I wanted to marry.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: It's like you just have to– it has to– I
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: mean that's the thing. It has to be the right person.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Everybody always says that except Wally George. But the idea
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: of doing it ten times is fucking insane. Yeah. They're
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: doing a different thing.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: I think once you get– I'll give you three. And
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: let's say one of them was some fishy circumstances. I'll
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: give you three. Once you get on your– by the
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: time you're going to be on your fourth or fifth
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: or sixth or Rupert Murdoch marriage, like I– what is
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: the point? And why does that woman believe you? What
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: does it say about the lady?
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Well, what about ladies that do it? I've been here
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: for six years and I know one lady. While I've
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: been here, she's been married twice. Married and divorced twice
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: and now she's on the third guy.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would look– I mean that says something about
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: the guys, right?
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: I guess. Yeah, man. Come on.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: If you– you wouldn't ever think like you meet somebody,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: you like them, and then you find out they've been
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: married twice before in six years.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: And you were like starting to fall for her. You
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: wouldn't think, wait a minute.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: You would unless she was hot. Men are dumb. Well,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: if she's hot and she's sexy and you really like
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: being around her, you're like, who cares? She made mistakes.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Who cares?
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: I guess you're right. If the sex is that good.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: If the sex is good, she's hot and you love
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: being around her and that's what she wants. You want
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: to make her happy.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Like, okay. I'll say this. You should find out. You
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: should go talk to the other guys and have a
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: sit down. And find out why.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Some guys, they'll want to mess it up for you.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: So they'll lie. They might not be accurate. They might
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: paint a– also, they might have been the fuck up
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: and they want to blame it on her. And then
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: you'll get a distorted perception of who she is.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: But then it's back to her, that she's marrying people
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: who are fucked up. I guess the point is that
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: we're both making is don't get married.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: You know, what is a weird thing? It's a weird
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: thing to do. Do you have children?
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: I do.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's a weird thing to do if you don't
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: have children, not weird, like you shouldn't do it, but
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: it's a different thing.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, completely.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: You're I, and I, I would say that, um, not
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: that we, you know, my wife and I have any,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: you know, real issues. Um, but I would, uh, behave
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: myself and stay and work at the marriage because of
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: the kid.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. It fucks kids up when people get divorced.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: What's your, what's your background?
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: And my parents were split up when I was five
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: and my mother remarried when I was seven and has
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: been with my stepdad ever since.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's good.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. They have, they have a great relationship. I just
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: saw him this weekend.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: And where did you grow up?
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Fucking everywhere. I was born in New Jersey and, Moved
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: to San Francisco when I was seven. Lived in San
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Francisco from seven to 11 in the height of the
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Vietnam War in Haight-Ashbury, like hippie town. And then Florida
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: from 11 to 13. That's the opposite of San Francisco. Oh,
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: my God.
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: That's the first time I found out about the N-word.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: I didn't know what it meant. And I remember I
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: had to ask my mom. No way. Yeah, I had
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: to ask my mom. I never heard it in San Francisco.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Never heard it. San Francisco in the 1970s when I
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: was between 7 and 11 was kind of a wild,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: amazing time. It was really weird. It was because we
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: were in the middle of like the counterculture movement. Berkeley,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: all that stuff.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: We lived right down the street from Lombard Street. So
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: we were like in the middle of it.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: All.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: And it's funny because it was during that time that
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: the Vietnam War ended. I think I was– when did
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Vietnam end?
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Seventy-four? I think seventy-four.
• 29:58
  Speaker 7: It's officially April 30, 75.
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: U.S.
• 30:02
  Speaker 7: Withdrawal 73.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was like, what was I? Whatever. The
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: point is, like, at that time, I remember thinking, thank
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: God they figured out war's bad. We're never going to
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: do this again. I literally had that thought, however old
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: I was.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: What a naive child. Oh, I was like, whew.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Because my stepfather had, he didn't get drafted. He got lucky.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: He just didn't get picked. And I knew a guy,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: some guy that was a friend of the family that
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: had moved to Canada. He's like, fuck this. He took
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: off to Canada. So I was aware of that, like
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: how people are leaving the country so that they don't
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: have to go to war. Because if you're a little kid,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: everything's fucking scary, especially if you come from a broken home.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the concept of a draft or conscription, the
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: idea like, oh, you may have to go and you're
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: going to learn how to shoot a gun and then
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: go shoot strangers, kids.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: You know, like that has got to be terrifying if
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: you're a kid.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: No, it was insane. And there was also the time
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: where my stepdad was a hippie and my parents were hippies.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: I was going to.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Ask, why did your– sorry to interrupt, but why did
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: they move around so much?
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: My stepfather was a computer programmer initially and then he
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: wanted to become an architect. So he went to school
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: in San Francisco and then University of Florida in Gainesville.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: And then Boston Architectural Center. So we moved to Boston
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: when I was 13. So that was what it was.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: It was him becoming an architect.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: And so like they didn't like sports. They weren't into
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: anything like that. And then when Muhammad Ali was opposing
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: the Vietnam War, he became this like counterculture hero. Sure, yeah.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: And I remember it was my parents sat down and
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: watched Muhammad Ali versus Leon Spinks. because he was trying
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: to win his title back and they were rooting for
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Muhammad Ali. I'm like, this is crazy. Like this guy's
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: stance on the Vietnam war has made my parents fans
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: of his to the point where they're going to watch boxing.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Like they never watched box. They didn't want to have
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: anything to do with anything violent. They hated it. And,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: but they wanted to watch that.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: One boxer to watch. If you are anti, you know,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: hitting or boxing or whatever, it was Muhammad Ali. It
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: was a, A strategist, you know?
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: He was, but quite honestly, by that stage of his career,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: he had slowed down considerably. And he just wasn't.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: I remember the Leon Spinks because he.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Leon beat him. Yeah. And then he beat Leon in
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: the rematch.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Right. This is the rematch, right?
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: And that was the big one. We were all glued
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: to the TV. But I remember thinking, this is crazy.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: They're watching boxing. Because of this guy's position on the
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Vietnam War.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Have you seen When We Were Kings?
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: It's amazing.
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah, he was a, God, you want
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: to talk about a unique human being. Like a one
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: of one. Yeah.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: And, you know, outside of, you know, Mike Tyson, there
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: was never any kind of figure like that in boxing.
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: No.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: I mean there was minor– Sugar.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Ray Leonard a little bit.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: But not– Not to that extent because he wasn't a
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: cultural figure.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Muhammad Ali represented something during the civil rights movement.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: And he changed his name to Muhammad Ali.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Right, right. That was a big thing too. People were
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: terrified of Muslims at the time and still.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: I was going to say at the time.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But it was a different kind of Muslims.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: That was– Well, they were the, you know, the government
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: was really good about portraying every black urban person as, like, potentially,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: you know, Muslim Brotherhood. Mm-hmm. Twelve Tribes.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Right. Right, right, right.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Those guys. They're still around. The Israelite Twelve Tribes.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, those guys. Yeah.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: They used to be, they used to hang out in,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: hang out? What do you mean? They used to be
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: in Times Square, like. yelling and preaching.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: I hung out with those guys one day. I wrote
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: a piece about it for my website because I went,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: I was going home when I was living in New
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: York and I was walking down the street and there's
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: this guy standing there with a microphone and a little
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: speaker and they would read things from the Bible and
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: they would translate it and they had this very bizarre translation.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Everybody was black. George Washington was black. Everyone was black.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: They were explaining to me the so-called Jew They're black Israelites.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: The so-called Jews, the thing that they always– Well.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: They're Jewish.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: You don't have to say the so-called part. Yeah, it
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: was very odd. But their whole thing was there was
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: a 12th tribe of the Israelites that were black that
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: have been written out of history.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That was their thing.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: They also informed me that I'm not white. That was
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: a relief. Because I'm Italian. They're like, oh, you ain't white.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's like the– Great.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Because they hated white people. So I was just talking
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: to this– because I was bored. So I was talking
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: to this guy. I was having him explain everything to me.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: He informed me, don't worry, man. You're not white. I
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, okay. That's good. That's good to know.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: So you can hang out.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: I can hang out with you guys. You don't hate me.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: But it was very odd. Very odd. They're all dressed
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: like superheroes. They all have these crazy, like, Avenger costumes on.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and, like, jewelry.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Like, big, chunky jewelry.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, huge medallions around their neck.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Very odd stuff.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: There's still, you don't see them like you used to,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: but they're still out there.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Yeah, they're out there.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: But I mean, like, literally in New York, periphery of
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Times Square.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, last time I was in Philadelphia, I saw them.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: They were out there on the street with the microphones,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: the whole deal. Yeah. It's an odd group.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: When were you in New York?
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: I was in New York. I moved to New York
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: in 91. Yeah. So I started stand-up in 88 in Boston,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: and I got picked up by my manager, who I'm
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: still with, when I was essentially an open-miker.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Who was that?
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Jeff Sussman.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: How do I not know Jeff Sussman?
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: He handles Kevin James.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Was he a Boston guy?
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: No, he was a New York guy.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay, okay.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: So the story was he had– what was his name?
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Fucking– the guy who had all the crazy costumes. He
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: was on the Rodney Dangerfield special, Bob– Oh. Bob Nelson.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Bob Nelson. Yeah.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: So he handled Bob Nelson.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: The Cleveland Browns.
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: He put the helmet on. He had boxing gloves. He
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: did Jippy Jeff's gym. He had brain damage. He did
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: a bunch of different characters. So Bob, who is a
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: big act, you know, he had an HBO special, the
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: whole deal at the time. He found Jesus. Oh.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Where was he?
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: In his basement, I guess.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: Oh, shit.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Or something. Okay. Around the neighborhood.
• 37:18
  Speaker 7: Somewhere.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: But.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: He had this guy who was his prayer partner that
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: was going to take over as his manager. And so
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: this was my manager's big client. So he's like, fuck.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Like I got to go find some other comedians.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: So did he just stop doing stand-up?
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know if he still does stand-up.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I knew– His– my manager is really
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: good and he's very smart and he did a great
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: job guiding Bob. But I think sometimes when people like
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: have like a big religious moment like that, like maybe
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: that becomes more of their life than– because he was
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: all in. Yeah, yeah. He was all in with Christianity.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: And so my manager said, well, I kind of know
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: most of the comics in New York. Let me see
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: if I'm not missing people in Boston. And so he
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: traveled to Boston with a friend of his, one of
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: the guys that owned Governors.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Well, Governors was Bob's room, wasn't it?
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Yes. Out in Long Island. One of the rooms that
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: he worked at, yeah. And so they came down to
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Boston and I just randomly went up one night at
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Duck Soup. Remember Duck Soup? Duck Soup. Duck Soup was–
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: it became the improv after a while. It was– I
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: don't remember that. Billy Downs and– Paul Barkley. Paul Barkley.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: I think it was actually Billy– I think it was
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Paul's thing.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, they had split at that point?
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: I think. I'm not sure about that. But what it was,
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: it was Paul's idea, I believe. It was a much
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: more high-end room. Like it was really nice and it
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: was right across from Nick's. So it was in the
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: below area where the Wiltern is.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: OK.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: So you know where the Wiltern is, which is now
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: the big– where Bill Blumenreit does comedy connection shows.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Wilbur, right?
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Is that it? The Wilbur. It's the– OK. I'm
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: thinking the Wiltern's LA.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: At Wiltern's LA. Right. I know what you're talking about.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: The Wilbur.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: You're right. So downstairs, the Wilbur, it was– you'd go
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: down and it was a really nice room.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: And I was a limo driver at the time. I
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: was driving limos and– Driving.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: A limo in Boston?
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Jesus.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Oh, man. That's what I was doing for
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: a job.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: That's fucking– I mean I just mean the literal streets
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: of Boston are tough to navigate with any vehicle. But
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: a limo, add an extra half a car to it.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. It wasn't that bad. It was mostly airport pickups.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: And a lot of it was town cars, pick people
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: up in town cars. But when you drive around a lot,
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: that's when I would come up with my best ideas.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: And I had an idea for a joke and I
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: called– God, I can't remember who the guy was. Fuck,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: I can't believe I'm blanking on his name. He was
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: a really cool dude who was the manager of the club.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: And I could call him up and say, hey, can
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: I get a guest spot? And he gave me a
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: guest spot that night. I wasn't even supposed to be
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: on the show. And my manager just happened to be
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: in the room. And if I had known he was
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: in the room, I probably would have been nervous and
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: I probably would have bombed. And I had no idea
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: he was there. And then he came up to me
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: afterwards and gave me his card and he said, can
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: I see you tomorrow? I said, okay. And then I
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: did– He just meant for a ride to the airport.
• 40:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: So I did a set at the Connection the next night,
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: and then he asked me to come to New York
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: and audition there.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: And then next thing you know, I was living in
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: New York. It was like three years later.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Very cool.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a crazy, crazy story.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: And when did you move out.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: To L.A.? 94, 93. Like first came out in 93
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: and then moved in 94. I came out to 93
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: for a pilot. I did a pilot on Fox called Hardball.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: With Jim Brewer and a bunch of other people. It
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: was a baseball sitcom on Fox that got canceled. It
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: was terrible. And then the only reason why I stayed–
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: I hated LA. But the only reason why I stayed
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: was because I had got an apartment and I had
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: a lease for a year. So I was like, fuck.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: I have to stay here. And so I stayed for
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: a whole– and then I got a development deal for NBC.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: And they– I was there in the middle of this
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: whole development deal and then they said we have a pilot.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: that we already filmed, but we're going to fire one
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: of the cast members. We want you to audition for this.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: And that was news radio. So I got to watch.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: Who did you replace?
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Well, fortunately, it was Ray Romano, who was a good
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: friend of mine, was fired during the pilot. And so
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: they replaced him with another guy, and that guy got fired.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So it wasn't– I would have felt terrible if
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: it was Ray.
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: But it was Ray being replaced. So I was like, good,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: fuck that guy. I'll do it for Ray.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Do you remember who the other guy was?
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: I do not. He was just an actor. Some guy.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, I never met him. I'm sure he's a
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: nice guy. But luckily for Ray, he goes on and
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: does Everybody Loves Raymond. It becomes huge. And I just
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: stumbled into this fucking show with no acting experience.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: That was a fun set.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: I remember. I remember.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: Because I did it a couple times. And. And. Also,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: like that was not my first, but one of the
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: first experiences I had with multi-camera sitcoms. You know, you're like,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: this is literally the easiest job on planet Earth.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: It is. You have one full day. You have like
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: a full, I think Thursday, right?
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: And then Friday is like half a day.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: Monday, come in, listen to this, read the script, go away.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the filming day that's the long day. And
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: it's not that bad. I mean especially once we got loose.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: The first season was hard. The first season was 12,
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: 14-hour days because it was like they were trying to
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: figure out what the show was. But once it got rolling,
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: it was pretty amazing. So I had only been doing
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: stand-up for six years. I had only been– I had
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: done no acting. They made me get an acting coach
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: for a little while in New York, which I think
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: was counterintuitive.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: News radio?
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: For a pilot, for the pilot, the Fox pilot.
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: Oh.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Well, how's an acting coach going to help you with
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: a sitcom? It's about instinct.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: It's about– Well, they were giving me a lot of money.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: They gave me like $ 150, 000.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: I understand why you.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: You have to learn how to act.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: Do you know how to act? I've never acted.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying like– I know. To deliver– sitcom lines
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: is you don't need an acting teacher Joseph let's limber
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: up the body.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah you're not Daniel Day Lewis you're not doing there
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: will be blood it was a it was weird because
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: it wasn't anything I think the reason why it worked
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: out so well is because it was never anything that
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: I wanted so there was no weight to it it
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: wasn't like oh my god this is it I am
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: on a sitcom I'm acting it was more like this
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: is crazy I can't believe I'm doing this It was
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: more like, wow, I can't believe I get to do this.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: But the real thing for me was to be able
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: to be in LA and go to the comedy store.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: That to me was more– that was more huge than–
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: like when I got passed at the comedy store, that
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: to me was like way bigger than being on a sitcom.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: I was like, holy shit. Because at that– at six
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: years in, I was like, am I even– is this
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: going to work out? Like I don't even know if
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: this is going to work out.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Well, it's also not– Glamorous in any way. That aspect
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: of working is– there's nothing glamorous about a sitcom. You
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? It's not the thing that when
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: you're not in LA or Hollywood and you're sitting back
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: and you are told about the glamorous lifestyle, the parties
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: and all that stuff. It's literally– you're driving to work
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: and you're going to work.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was glamorous in a sense that you
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: were on television. And that was very weird to me.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: It was very strange to watch it on TV. I'm like,
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: that is actually me on TV. I had zero aspirations
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: for any acting at all. It never even occurred to me.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: When I lived in Boston, I remember me and Fitzsimmons
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: used to We used to dream about the day we
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: could pay our bills telling jokes. That was all it was.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: I hear you.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: It was just like, oh, God. I would see guys
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: like DJ Hazard. I remember I went to look at
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: this apartment and DJ Hazard lived in the same building.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: And it was this converted schoolhouse and these loft apartments.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: It had like a second floor where like the bedroom was.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: It looked over the living room. I'm like– God, this is,
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: he pays for this with jokes.
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: This was like the most amazing thing. Like that's all
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: I wanted. I saw these like Don Gavin and Steve Sweeney.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: I was like, imagine being able to pay your bills.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Just telling jokes.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Untie my ankles in the morning. Remember that?
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. DJ Hazard.
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Um, what was I going to say?
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Something.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, do you know, uh, Fitzsimmons, um, Paul Barclay story
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: or Bill Downs, The Watch? Bill Downs. It was Bill Downs.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Which one? How's it go?
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't– you should get it from him because
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: it's his story. But– and I don't want to– I
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: feel like it's his to tell, but it's fucking great.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: It's genius.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: It's bringing up something in my memory.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: So Bill owed everybody money, right? And like he still–
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: those guys owe me. whatever it is at this point,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: you know, what, 300, $ 500 just, and you'd go there
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: and they were just.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Everybody was big guy. Remember? Yeah. I'll pay you soon.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Big guy. Oh, the war.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: And then do you remember when Bill adopted the girls?
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Yes. Korean girls, right?
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: He, yeah. And he would use them like as, because at,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: at a certain point it didn't help to go to
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: the connection or go to the clubs and, you had
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: to go to their fucking office. If you want it,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: nobody's going to call you back or whatever. And you'd like,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: I got to get on the team, go to the,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: go to their office. And that's the only way I'm
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: going to get money is if I show up and
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: he's in a good mood and it's not going to
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: happen from a phone call. And I'd go there every
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: single time. It's like, dude, I got to pay my rent, man.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, I, I got nothing and you owe me,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: you know, $ 385. And back then that was huge. And, uh,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: cross eyes. Listen, so I got these, my kids, one
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: of my kids is sick.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Whatever.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: It's always this fucking excuse. And then, and then, uh,
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: you know, it was still the Coke residual in the
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: bottom of his nose. Um, but so Fitz, he owed
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Fitzsimmons a chunk of money, like, like a significant amount, like, 1500,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: 1800 bucks, like something, something meaty, you know, especially for
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: back then. And, uh, you, you ask Greg, cause I feel,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: I feel like.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: No, tell the story. I'm sure Greg's told it to me. Okay.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Greg and I are pretty close. I just, I remember
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: it some in, in my head. I do remember part
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: of it, but I don't know the whole story. I
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: don't remember it.
• 48:45
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: So Greg was, uh, booked at this, uh, you know,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: some shit club and, New Hampshire or whatever. And Downs
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: was going to be there. Bill was going to be there.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: And he goes there and he goes, oh, Bill, I
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: forgot my watch. I don't want to go over. Can
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: I borrow your watch? And he's like, yeah, sure. It's
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: like a Rolex, like some fancy, fancy, fancy watch. And
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: Greg had this all planned out.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, I know the story now.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: And then he had like parked in a specific place
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: and then he gets– he's like, all right, thanks. And
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: he's like, all right, don't forget to give it back. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: And he does his set and then he bolts out
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: the back door, gets in his car, drives home. Back
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: to Boston. And then Bill calls him. Hey, so I
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: think you forgot to give me my watch back. And
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Greg just basically goes, yeah, you want it back? Give
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: me the $ 1, 800 you owe me. And then met him
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: at a restaurant or a diner somewhere in a public place.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Give me the cash and I'll give you your watch.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: And it was just genius.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: That's Greg.
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, those days were fun. Nick's Comedy Stop used to
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: offer to pay you in cocaine or cash.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Dude, so I did Nick's. And the only– I've said
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: this multiple times. The only– I'm extremely lucky that I
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: was in Boston when I was in Boston because the
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: comedy boom is going on. And outside of– I don't know.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: three places, I just didn't do that well. And I
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: certainly didn't do well at Nick's. I mean, I was
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: the opposite. They, you know, it had that, the vague
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: feeling of high school where you're the weirdo and people
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: want to fuck with you and throw you in the
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: trash can. And, and so I got lucky because there
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: were just spots, they just needed bodies. So I worked
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: all the time, you know, not, you know, not great gigs,
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: but I had, it was all cash, you know, under
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: the table. And And they just needed bodies to go
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: up and do 15 minutes, 20 minutes, whatever, at some
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: cowboy bar in Fitchburg or whatever. Fitchburg. Anyway, so I
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: get this– I get a week at Nick's and I
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: am not doing well at all. I think I'm opening
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: up for Kevin Knox. So not my crowd. And I
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: didn't have the track suit.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: Uh, and you know, Knox, he's up there doing, uh, Hey,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: you know why, you know why, uh, Bill Buckner didn't
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: catch the ball or get the ball. Uh, it's the
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: 86 world series. Cause he heard it at AIDS on it.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: That's a real joke. That's a real joke. And they
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: loved it. Wonderful. Yes, of course. And then do you
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: remember this? What does eight stand for?
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: No. What?
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: Adios, infected dick sucker.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, I do remember that. I do. I'm opening for him. Oh,
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: my God.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: And it's his crowd.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: Adios, infected dick sucker. Oh, my God.
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: So I.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: Titled one of the tracks on my first album, I think.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: First or second album. What if baseballs had AIDS on them? See?
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: Just....
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: I'm fucking eating it, right? So they're peeling back my
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: time as the week goes on. And I am– I
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: mean if I had done even okay, I wouldn't have
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: had this feeling. They're already kind of intimidating, right? Super mobby.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: Very mob.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: Very mob. Yeah. Do you remember where the– you'd walk
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: into Nick's and there was like the podium and then
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: behind– a little behind it is this little room with
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: a curtain, right? And it's not big at all. And
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: I went to go get paid. The week was over
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: and I've just eaten it, eat shit every single night,
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: every single show.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: And they're all eating– it's like a scene from– they're
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: all eating like manicotti. Right, right. Just couldn't make it
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: any better with the fucking napkins in their shirt like this.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: And I go, hey, nervous as shit. Just, hey, so Dom,
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: I need to– if I can get paid just for
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: the– whatever. And Dominic goes to whoever– I can't remember
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: the guy's name. His kind of lackey there. And he goes,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: whatever his name was, you know, Pauly, go pay the kid.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: And he's, I've interrupted his dinner. He's not happy. Fucking
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: napkin off. Takes me, we go up to the offices
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: upstairs and there's a safe and it's open and there's
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: cash and there's a gun. This is just open, right?
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: And he gives me, he gets the money and he
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: gives it to me. And I just pick it up.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: I want to get the fuck out of there. And
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: I pick it up. And he's like, are you going
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: to count it? No, I'm good. I trust you. And
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: I just bolted. I never went back there again. I
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: was so fucking intimidated.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: That was an intimidating place. Oh, dude.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: The whole thing about it. Dominic, all those guys.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: And everyone's doing blow. The performers are at least.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: It was a maniacal time. There was one time where
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: Knicks was running three consecutive shows. So they had their
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: main room upstairs. There was a dance club down in
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: the bottom, and there was one other room somewhere in
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: that building. And guys would go, guys like Don Gavin,
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: Steve Sweeney, they would go and do a set, a set,
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: a set, set, a set, a set. And these guys
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: were just raking in money.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: And constantly doing a blow and not paying their taxes. Yes.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: And that's what got them all.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, they– I mean back in the heyday– and
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: it went on for years. It was years and years
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: of this. I mean you could go down 128 and
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: do Kowloons or whatever and then just hop all the
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: way back, hop into these Chinese restaurants or whatever.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: Right, Giggles and Saugus.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and just go in a straight line and go
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: back and forth and do nine fucking shows and make
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: a shit ton of money, cash under the table, tons
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: of blow.
• 55:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: And yeah, it was a wild place because there were
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: so many comics and it was such a Boston's not
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: a big city, you know, and to have so much
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: comedy all come out. You've seen Fran Salamita's documentary.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: I haven't. I got it.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: It's really great.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Stand up stood out.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really I got it. It's really great. It's
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: really great. And it goes all the way back to
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: Crimmins and the Ding Ho. And that was before my time.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: I started in 88. So the Ding Ho was already gone.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: You heard legendary stories from the Ding Ho.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: Did you see Call Me Lucky?
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: No.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, you got to see that. It's Bobcat's documentary about Barry.
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: Oh, no.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute. I did see that.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: It's fucking great.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: I did see that.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: It's really well done. I don't mean just. Like even
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: if you don't know Barry, just the story and the
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: way he lays out the path of the film is great.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: I had Barry on like right after it came out.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: I had him on the podcast. Yeah.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: He's a legend and huge inspiration.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: He was an intimidating guy.
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: That was the guy that I was scared of because
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: he was like– he was the guy who was– Sort
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: of the standard. Like he made sure there was no hacks.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: He made sure there was– like he set the standard.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: He was really equitable too.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes. Very politically active. Even like way back then,
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: like really knowledgeable and like really understood what was going
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: on in the world.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: Did you ever see his– or one of his State
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: of the Union shows?
• 57:22
  Speaker 6: No.
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: No.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: They're fucking amazing. So he would go– I saw a
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: couple of them at the old Stitches. And he would
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: go up and it was when the State of the
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: Union was happening. He'd go up and he'd do his
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: State of the Union. It was just him. And he
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: would go on and he'd have like– it was pre-PowerPoint.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: But it was whatever the equivalent of a screen behind
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: him with stuff. And he'd go up there with a cooler,
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: like a legit– big cooler of beer because that motherfucker
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: could drink yeah and uh and he would just start
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: he had a podium and he would just crack beers
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: and just down a case of beer half a case
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: of beer and just do his stuff you know uh
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: extemporaneous stuff i mean stuff prepared but about you know
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: the state of the union and all that it was
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: and it would always be packed like And you'd see
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: Dennis Leary and, you know, every single comic would be there,
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: you know, trying up against the wall because it was packed.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: But it was great. I mean, legendary.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think he was really responsible for
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: a lot of what Boston comedy became, you know, because
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: he was the guy that was kind of the gold standard.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: And he started the Ding Ho.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And he is like becoming friends with him was like, whew.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: Like such a relief because I was terrified of him.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: When I was a young comic. Like if that guy
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: thought I sucked, if he hated me, I was like,
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: I'm fucking doomed.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: You know, because he was this character. He would go
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: on stage with a sport coat on and reach into
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: his inner pocket and pull out a Budweiser for every show.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: Remember that?
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: I don't. But I mean, I know he drank a lot.
• 59:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: But he would bring his own beer. It was part
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: of his thing. He would go on stage. just reach
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: into his... pull out a Budweiser and set it down
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: on the stool. I... He only drank American beer. Is
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: that true? Yeah, he would drink Budweiser.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: I wonder why that is.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know. He was, like, kind of a patriot. I.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: He doesn't seem like he would... the kind of guy
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: who would have denied himself... Well, I mean maybe it
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: was performative.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Was there Modelo even– did it exist
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: at the time?
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: But yeah, he was– he was the only guy I
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: would say that– and to your point, like all these
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: other legendary comics, Lenny Clark and Don Gavin and Steve
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: Sweeney and all those guys, he was the only guy
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: that those guys were kind of– walking on eggshells.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: Yes. The only, yes, yes.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: They would give every, they'd give all each other shit like, and,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: and mean shit too.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, they would fight. Oh yeah.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: Barry was the one guy they wouldn't fuck with.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: Well, he was different than all of them and that
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: he was incredibly well read, like really well read, really
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: knowledgeable about all sorts of things with economics and the
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: way the world works, the injustices of our society. But Barry,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: really funny fucking comic too like great jokes great writer
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: you know and just like he was the standard he
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: was the glue that held that scene together because they
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: all looked at him to be like like you can't
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: kind of step out of line like you don't want
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: to get catch.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: Barry's R yeah it's absolutely true yeah and then when
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: the revelation he had of being abused as a kid
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: and then he He spoke in front of Congress. He
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: did about– AOL.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: AOL. Yeah. During the early days of AOL, for people
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: that don't know, they had all these chat rooms and
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: sexual predators were using these chat rooms to find children.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: And also to exchange pornographic material.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: And that was– that becomes a big part of Call
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: Me Lucky.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: And yeah, he like dedicated his life basically to just
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: going out and catching these motherfuckers.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: And helping, you know, the people who would pose as
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: kids and stuff. And that was, you know, that was his.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: And he was also, you know, lapsed Catholic. And when
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: all the, especially in Boston, the Catholic Church and diocese
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: and all that stuff was coming out. He was– I
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: mean that was his fucking focus.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: Getting these fuckers caught, exposed.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: Well, I think it took someone like him that was–
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: he was levels above most of the other comedians in
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: terms of his understanding of the world and his ability
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: to articulate it and also a great comic. So that
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: like people looked at him like, well, this guy is
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: like– he's clearly smarter than all of us. He's also
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: like super dedicated to the craft of comedy, like meant
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: a lot to him. Oh, yeah. Like the integrity of comedy,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: like what it is to be a comic.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: You know, and he came from– and I think this
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: is kind of specific to Boston too. He came from
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: a jock world. He was a minor league or whatever
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: sub-minor league catcher. He played– he was at Syracuse University
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: and he played for like the Cape Cod League and,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: you know, the things that eventually you get to minor leagues, hopefully.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: But he came from that hard drinking, you know, and
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: catcher is arguably the smartest guy in the baseball team, right?
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: Right. He's the guy making the calls for the pitches.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: Seeing everything, defensive lineups. So he came from that world, too,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: which I think helped his cred.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: But it's just such an unusual town in what happened
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: there that these guys became these local legends where they
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: never had to leave. And they kind of did the
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: same act for decades, which is also kind of crazy.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: That to me was like I knew there was definitely
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: a– as I started to separate from that world a
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: little bit and just kind of evolving as a– comedian
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: and there was like the catch scene and Catch a
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: Rising Star. And that was a thing that was an
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: early– I just didn't get it. Like why are you
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: doing the same– there's no joy in it. And then
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: you would drive some of these guys because they get
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: fucked up and you were happy to have all the
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: work and you'd go up and do 15 and they
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: do a half hour. You get in the car. You
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: go somewhere else. And these guys doing– Mike Donovan he
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: would do his remember Rosie the bounty the quicker picker
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: upper the bounty yeah okay so he had there was
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: a so the commercials were like Rosie and it was
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: like the scrappy waitress at a diner remember it was
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: like a character that was in all the it was
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: like the the you know mascot of whatever bounty the
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: quicker picker upper and her character was kind of like
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: feisty as in these commercials ran for years, you know,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: different like, ah, you don't do this, do this. And
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: his bit was about taking a gun out and shooting her. Um,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: it was funny. You'd see it the first time, but
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: it's like, dude, that hasn't been on the air in
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: fucking 10 years. And he's still doing this. Uh, yeah, Rosie,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: I got something for you. I got a, I got
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: some advice for you. Like what the fuck? And there was, okay, wait, Joe,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: Did you– were you there? So Ed, the machine regime.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. I remember him. So– He wear the suit?
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: And his headshot was four different– his headshot was like
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: four squares. And different characters.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: Tina Turner. And guy– the like mob guy. I can't
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: remember the rest of them. And then whatever.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: I think he had a turban in one of them.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: I'm sure he did.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: So he goes to jail for rolling back odometers. Odometers.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: Yes. That's right.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: So he gets caught and he was a car salesman
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: I think in Rhode Island I believe. And he got
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: caught rolling back the odometers. He goes to jail for
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: a year and a half. And I was shooting this movie.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: This is decades later. I was shooting this movie and
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: it was on a cruise ship. And the cruise ship, Ed,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: the Machine Regime, is the headliner at the comedy venue
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: on the cruise ship. And I'm like, oh, shit. That's crazy.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen this guy in forever. And he's back
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: doing comedy? Okay. And I go there and he does,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know, 40 minutes. The same fucking act from
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: 15 years ago. It's like you don't have one– you
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: spent 18 months in prison. You don't have one joke?
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: You don't have one motherfucking observation? Even if you lie
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: and say– you know, it would be weird if you
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: were in prison and whatever. You don't have anything?
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: It's weird. It was a weird thing. And it only
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: existed with them. Most comics in the country were writing
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: new material all the time.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: It was– I remember that feeling of I must be different.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: Because I'm not– I don't– that is such a distasteful thing.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: Like I wouldn't want to do that.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: Well, there was two– I saw two traps there. One
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: of them was that and the other one was never leaving.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: They never left Boston. And when they did leave Boston,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: they had so much local material that their act was
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: like cut down by like 40 percent.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: And there were a lot of people, their peers, who
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: would give them shit. Like– and it was all just
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: kind of resentful, jealousy, small-minded, small-town kind of like, oh,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: you think you're better than us, which is a Boston
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: thing too. Oh, you think you're so hot now that
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: you're a hot shot? You go to Hollywood? You go there?
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: Fuck you. This is– it was a real provincial working
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: class kind of attitude. They look down on– And, you know,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: they would give Leary shit all the time, you know,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: like sellout. This is bullshit weird.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: Sellout's a weird one because they would all sold out.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: It just wasn't available. Well, they were all mad at
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: Stephen Wright. Were they? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Stephen Wright
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: was like this.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: How can you get mad at Stephen Wright?
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: Well, not mad at him, but bitter because of his success.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: Because he went and left.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: He went and left, did The Tonight Show.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: Became huge. So unusual. So different. And they came to Boston.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: The Tonight Show came to Boston to look for comics.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: And Stephen Wright was the one they chose. And all
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: these other guys were like, he's a fucking middle act. Like,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: this is bullshit. Like, that guy bombs half the time.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: Because his act to me was a lot like Hedberg.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: in that if you didn't know what he was doing
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: and you came to see specific– like if Hedberg– there's
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: a famous story of Hedberg was on the road in
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: Ohio and they had this guy who was an opening
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: act who'd do like backflips and fucking sing rap songs.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: It was a disaster. And Hedberg kept bombing. And so
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: they switched them. And made Hedberg the middle act and
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: tried to fuck him on the money. And Stanhope got
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: into it with the owner of the club. And it
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: became a big thing. But once Hedberg got an audience,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: then people knew what they were coming to see. And
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: then he was amazing. And then everybody wanted to see that.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: That was kind of the same with Stephen Wright. Like
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: if you expected– if you're on a show with Steve
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: Sweeney and Lenny Clark and all these big energy fucking
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: Boston guys– And then I used to work at a
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: fire hydrant factory. Couldn't park anywhere near the place. It
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: just– for whatever reason.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: Well, it's also– that other comedy is– And I'm not
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: taking anything away from those guys and the bits were great.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: But the other comedy is a little easier. It just–
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: you get it.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: And with Stephen Wright, you got to think about it
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: for a second.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: It was abstract. It was low-key. It was all non-sequiturs.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: It was one to another. It was– and so when
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: he left and took off, a lot of guys apparently
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: were like, this is fucking bullshit. Like when is my
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: turn going to happen?
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I can see that easily.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: I mean that was– it was so– I mean no
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: other scene had that kind of weird provincial– and that thing,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: like you said, they wouldn't leave.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: No, they never left. Well, they were huge there. So
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: if they lived there, they could make like a couple
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars a year just running around and cash.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, easy.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and not ever have to worry about anything, and
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: they played golf all day. So there's two things that
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: scared me. One of them was golf because I saw
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: that when you play golf, you kind of stop trying
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: with your comedy.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: It's a slippery slope.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: So many hours.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: It's a gateway drug.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: Well, you're out there for fucking eight hours a day. Like,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: Noxy was always playing golf. And then the other thing was, like,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: if you never left, you had no chance of developing, like,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: a national audience where you could go to a club
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: in Philadelphia. You can go to a club. They couldn't
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: do the road. And I remember thinking, oh, this is
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: a trap.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, and as you said, they– Half of their
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: standup was like, you'd have to know about, you know,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: Storo Drive or fucking Johnny Most.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: Remember Donovan's bit about Johnny Most? It was amazing. But
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: it was like, he was doing that bit long after
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: Johnny Most was dead. So like 20 people in the
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: audience would be howling, laughing and everybody else be like,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: who the fuck is Johnny Most? Yeah. It was, it
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: was weird because it was like a velvet prison. It's
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: like how I describe like really great comics that get
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: jobs in the writer's room and I'm like, you got
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: to be careful. Like that's a velvet prison because if
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: you get stuck in that writer's room and you never
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: do the road, you never put out specials, you're never
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: going to get an audience. You're always going to be
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: beholden to an employer. You're always going to have to
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: have a job and there's great comics that got trapped
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: with that.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: But wouldn't you say that if they– yes, it's a
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: trap but if they didn't have the uh, wherewithal or
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: foresight or, or, uh, willpower to get out of that trap,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: then they probably weren't meant to do that.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: Perhaps, but sometimes they get a mortgage and then they
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: get a family and then they're stuck.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: That's the trap. Yeah.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: Family.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: Let's call it for what it is.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: Trap.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: And well, in a lot of ways it can be,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: if you're trying to be an actual national low, like,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: do you know Owen Smith? Uh, comic in LA?
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: One of the top 20 best comics on earth. He's
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: fucking brilliant. He's so funny.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: Owen Smith.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: Owen Smith. Saw him at the comedy store. And I
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: remember the first time I saw him at the comedy store,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: I'm like, how is this guy not fucking huge? He's
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: so funny. He's so good. He has this bit about
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: adopting a white kid and naming him the N-word. It's
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: just like really– it's a really funny, well-crafted bit. Like
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: all of his bits are like brilliantly written. He's a
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: great performer. He's super likable. Got writer's gigs and just–
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: he does The Mothership a couple times a year I believe,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: at least once a year. But just doesn't get out there.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: Who does he write or what show does he write for?
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: I think he's a showrunner now. Oh, well, that. So
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: it took it to another level.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: But just– got jobs writing when he was struggling as
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: a comic and those jobs eventually led to a house.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: And, but maybe he, you know, it was like, I, you,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: you watch him and you love him, right? Cause you
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: see a lot of standup and you're like a lot
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: of it's shit. And this guy's fucking great, great writer,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: but maybe he doesn't see it that way. And he's
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: quite happy to, I think he does.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: He does see it that way. I've talked to him
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: about it. Yeah. He kind of knows. Just doesn't know
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: what to do now because he's a showrunner. You're making money. Yeah.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: And there's a lot of responsibility.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: There's also not a lot of shows anymore.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: Which is it's a real problem.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: It's a real problem.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: Banked on being a showrunner in the 90s. And that's
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: what you threw your hat into. And then all of
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: a sudden that thing seems to have dwindled to like
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: 20 percent of what it used to be.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: It's yeah. It's I used to. be quite happy with
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: the idea that I knew you know back in the
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: day when you're pitching shows and stuff and trying to
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: develop things and you go this let's not waste our
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: time going to these five places this is not a
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: show for them this is a show for these three
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: places let's this is that this kind of show now
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: I have no fucking clue I you know come up
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: with like Bob and I pitched a show and sold
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: the pitch. Uh, there was like, even there were like four,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: I think we pitched it at eight places, four of
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: them kind of bid. We took what we thought was
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: the best deal. Um, and then wrote the, it was
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: a limited series, eight episodes, um, wrote the first four
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: and it was Bob and his brother, Bill, who's big
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: Simpsons guy. And, um, uh, it was good. And then
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: they said, the quote was, marketing and analytics couldn't, that
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: was a quote, couldn't figure it out what to do
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: with the show.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 7: Wow.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: And so they didn't, and we had four episodes that
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: you could look at and then we had the Bible
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: for the next four and the outlines and everything was,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: and it was fucking funny. On the page it was funny.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: Then we're like, so here's the cast. We're going to
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: have these amazing people. And Bob and I as different
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: cult leaders. And that's such a rare thing when it
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: starts off on the page funny. And by the time
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: you get a great cast and then you get on set,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: you're like, what if we do this? And then you
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: get into the post and start playing around with it.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it was a really cool thing.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: And yeah, marketing and analytics. That's what you're dealing with now.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean that has kind of always at least
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: been the case.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: Well, not– I mean they would have to say– I
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: mean analytics is technical. I mean marketing– I don't know
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: how to help you, man. I can give you some advice.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: I don't– I think that's a shitty way to market
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: it but you know the– you know that world and–
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: but analytics is about the algorithm and all that.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: Is this recent?
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: OK.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Right after shortly after COVID.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: It's amazing how many incredibly unimpressive people are responsible for
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: putting out shows. The people that you communicate with of
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: the executives, you're like, this has got to be a mistake. Like,
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: how did you get this job? And I experienced that
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: early on, like at the first pilot that I was on.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: The first pilot was on Hardball. The pilot was actually
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: very funny because it was written by Jeff Martin and
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: Kevin Curran. They were from The Simpsons and they also
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: wrote on Married with Children. Great guys. But they were writers.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: They were like these like quiet kind of soft-spoken guys
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: and they ran the pilot and then they brought in
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: a showrunner from Coach. Remember that show Coach?
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: And this guy just fucked the whole show and turned
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: it into this like– it was like this. clunky bad
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: joke like really it was happens more than you think
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: and the people behind the scenes like the executives it
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: was astonishing how little of them had any creative ideas
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: it was that they were just hoping that it would
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: work and ego it's like ego and i'm an executive
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: so i'll tell you what's good and what's not good
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: and we understand this because we're fox and yeah I
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: was like this is nuts. Like this is how it
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: works behind the scenes. I thought you'd get behind the
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: scenes and be all these fucking geniuses that had put
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: together all these television shows. They had an understanding of
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: like how– let people be creative and put a show
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: together and let it fucking run out in the runs.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: Like when you're running through the script, like figure out
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: how to put it together.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: It's like the little boy who thought the world was–
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: Same thing.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: Finally, they're going to figure it out. Yeah, very naive.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: But I naively stumbled into that exact right thing with
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: news radio.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: So when I got on the news radio.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: Which I would say some of those execs that you're
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: describing– they probably stumbled into the success of it.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, Paul Sims, who's brilliant, was coming from
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: the Larry Sanders show. So Larry Sanders show, huge success,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: genius show. And so they knew this guy was special
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: and super smart guy, like funny and had a great
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: group of writers and put together a great pilot. And then,
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: you know, recast the one role that I came in for.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: And so I'm there on the set and it was like,
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: It took long hours to figure it out, but they
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: let everybody do whatever they wanted to do. Paul's approach
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: was so different than anybody else. Dave Foley was like
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: the secret producer of like half of that show. Half
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: of the way the scenes were put together, half of
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: the jokes that were in it was all Dave Foley
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: on set running through the script with the cast coming
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: up with better ideas.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't know that.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: They let you do anything. Sometimes they'd say, can we
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: see it as written? And then you'd give it to
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: them as written and they'd be like, I like your
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: idea better. Paul was fucking amazing with that. And so
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: once I did that, I was like, I think I'm
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: done with this because I don't think it's ever going
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: to be any better than this.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: It's rare, man.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It was super rare. I auditioned for like one
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: or two other ones that were terrible just because I
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: wanted money. And I'm like, maybe it will be OK.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: But hell is being on a sitcom that's terrible that's successful.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: That sounds dumb to people. Like, no, you're going to–
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: I totally know what you mean. You're on TV making $ 50, 000
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: a week or whatever you're making. Like, poor you. But no,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: you're in hell because you're doing something that sucks and
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: you have to show up every day doing this thing
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: when you know you could have been on Seinfeld or
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: if you just got cast on Friends.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: That's a trap too. It's like the people who– Because
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: it really is like a job and you may have
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: a really nice house, right?
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: And you have a nice car. But you're getting– you're
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: in Studio City and you get in your car and
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: you drive to this job and it's kind of shitty
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: and sucks. But there's amenities, great craft services. This guy
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: makes fucking frappuccinos right there. And then you go and
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: have dinner with somebody fancy somewhere.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: Uh-huh.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: And then you just get up and do the same
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: thing over and over again.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you keep buying things because that's how you
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: reward yourself. You buy a new television. This one's even bigger.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: You buy a new car. I got the new car.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: And that's what you're doing to reward yourself for doing
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: this job that sucks.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: I get that too. I mean I will on a
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: much smaller scale. But when I make a good payday,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: I'll buy some expensive boxes of baseball cards.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, you're a baseball card collector. That's the thing. Oh, interesting.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Um, but have been going back. It's not like, right.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: Like I feel like I have legit.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: You know, baseball street cred.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: Yes. Yes.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: Um, but that's the thing. And also it's, it's, I mean,
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: the argument can be made. It's an investment, a shitty investment,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: but an investment nonetheless. But it's also like gambling. Cause
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: it's like a scratch off ticket. Cause everybody's chasing the,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: one-of-one cards and you're opening the packs and stuff.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's how you do it? You buy packs unopened?
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: I buy boxes, yeah. So I buy a hobby box,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: which has a better– it's more expensive. It has a
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: better chance of– well, it has more like auto rookie
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: cards or relic cards or something like that.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: But those are– that is an investment though because you
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: can always sell them. People always want them.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: Yes. I just mean since I started, you know, God–
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: 30 years ago, 40 years ago. Uh, yeah, 30, like
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: in the nineties, early nineties, maybe 80, no 89, 89. So, uh,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: whatever money I put in is there's nowhere near if
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: I sold everything. I mean, it's talking about half the
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: money I put in, but I have them and I
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: like them and I'm not going to sell them. I'm
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: not going to sell them.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: I have, that's your reward. That's my reward.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: My thing was in my poverty days, it was comic books.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: So one of my– Which is also an investment. Yeah. Well,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: it became one eventually. But during my poverty days, my biggest,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: saddest moment was when I had to sell my comic
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: books because I had no money. Oh, yeah. I had
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: no money and I had these old Spider-Mans and these
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: old Incredible Hulks.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Which were probably now worth.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. Probably hundreds of thousands of dollars. I
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: had some really good ones in the plastic sleeve. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: I'd keep them in the sleeve. Be very careful pulling
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: them out, opening them up. Oh, I loved comic books.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: And I had collected them since I was a child. Oh,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: that's a bummer, man. I wanted to be a comic
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: book illustrator.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: Is that your thing?
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I– Oh, I didn't know that. When
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: I was a kid.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: Is any of that stuff yours?
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. None of that stuff is mine.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: All the artwork is just different artists.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: Yes. Oh, wow.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 7: Cool.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: Well, I haven't in a long time, but I was
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: really good when I was in high school.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: But you could still do that.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I could still draw. I can still draw a little,
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: but it's like.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: But if you wanted to do your own comic book,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: that's how you could do that.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: I would have to start practicing again and get– but
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: when I was a teenager, I was really good. And
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: that was what I wanted to do, but I had
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: a really terrible art teacher in high school. He was
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: just a fucking– just a miserable guy. Just miserable. And
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: he's like, you're not going to get that job. I'm like, what?
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: You can't just draw what you want. I'm like, why not?
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: It's like Dan Clow's thing. Have you read Art School Confidential?
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 7: No.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, you know Dan Clow's, right?
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: I know who he is.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. His stuff is fucking genius too. I've used
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: that word too many times.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: That's okay. There's a lot of geniuses out there.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: There aren't that many.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: But there's enough if you search around.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: I want to be– judicious with it.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: But.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's the guy who did 8-Ball. And then
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: he's got... He did Ghost World, turned into a movie.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: And then there was another one that was... Wilson that
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: was turned into a movie. His stuff is great. But
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: he has a thing about art, you know, shitty teachers,
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: art school teachers. He has a comic story.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: Well, I was... I quit on my last year in
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: high school. I stopped doing art just because my teacher
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: was so bad. And then there was this one guy
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: in my class that I recently reconnected with, this guy
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: John DeVore, who was the best artist in the class.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: It was me, this guy Kevin, and John. And we
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: were the best artists in the class. I was probably
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: like third best. But John was the best. And John
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: got an F his last year from this guy. And
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: I'm like, he gave you a fucking F? He's like,
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: that guy was such a cunt. We were going back
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: and forth in emails.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: So what was it? Was it about purity or what
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: was the– No.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: No, he was terrible. He wasn't a good artist. He
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: was– But in his mind.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: He was just miserable.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: He was miserable. He was like this thin man with
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: a big pot belly. So I think he just drank
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: himself to sleep every night.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: And he was just– Hey, easy, easy.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: Easy, easy.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: Hey, you're getting too close.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: He was just sad. He was just a sad guy.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: But what was his justification for saying this isn't any
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: good or you get an F?
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: If I had to be honest, I think he hated potential.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because he hated John. And if he hated John,
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: like John was genius. He was brilliant. And John wound
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: up not being an artist either.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: Wow, think of how many examples of that where kids–
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: talent or dreams or aspirations are kind of crushed and
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: eat to the point of like, it's not worth it.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: No, I don't want to deal with this. Well, it's
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: like bad teachers, bad teachers can really ruin your life
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: and good teachers can change your life.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: You know, I had a teacher in middle school that
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: gave me one thought that has been, that stuck with
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: me like my whole life when I was, I guess
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: I was like 13 and he, he was a science
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: teacher and he was talking about space. He goes, And
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: he was just saying, I just want you to sit
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: here and comprehend when we're in this classroom. I want
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: you to comprehend the concept of infinity, that the universe
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: is infinite, that there is no end. Just hurt your head.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: Lie in bed at night and think about how it
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: goes on and on and there's no ending to it.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: And we were all in class like 13 going, what
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: the fuck, man? I mean, it was the way he
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: said it. I'm not doing it justice because he was
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: like kind of a spooky guy who went to Vietnam
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: and He's like a grizzled fucking dude who's like– but brilliant.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: And that guy, like that one thought, I carry with
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: me all the time.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: Especially at 13 too.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: Because you're about to start losing sight of those– the
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: importance that those concepts will have. Yeah. And we just
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: dismiss them and go, yeah, yeah, it's big, whatever.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this guy birthed my fascination with space at 13.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: I don't think I was even interested in space before then.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: And then I became absolutely fascinated by it. I just
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: couldn't get my hand on enough books about cosmology and
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: space travel. But this guy that was his art teacher
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: was just– I think he just– life didn't turn out
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: the way he wanted it to. And he wanted to
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: squash the hopes and dreams of talented people.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, that's a real thing.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's more common than you might hope for
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: yeah i think that's uh that's a very real you
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: know very real thing unfortunately.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: So that was my dream my dream was to be
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: a comic book illustrator so when i was a young
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: kid from the time i was like god like six
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: or seven When I lived in San Francisco, I would
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: collect all these different comic books. That was what I
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: would do.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: I would just go– And that– San Francisco was the–
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: what's the– the counterculture comic– they were like the big R. Crumb. R.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: Crumb. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: But there was like a publisher, right? That's famous.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. God, I don't– What are you thinking of? I
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: do know what you're thinking of. I can't remember the
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: name of it. But I was really interested– I really
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: loved like the old creepy and eerie comic books too.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: Do you know what my grandmom did? Oh, it's going
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: to hurt your feelings. Uh, my, I had, uh, my
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: uncle who eventually went insane, um, was a huge EC comics, right? Early, uh,
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know what, but all the EC stuff and then,
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: you know, early mad, uh, magazine stuff, but he had
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: this collection. And I was probably eight, maybe. And I
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: had expressed interest in these, you know, can I not
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: thinking in terms of investment, just can I have them?
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: I like them and they're and I would sit and
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: read them and they're really cool and they're creepy, you know,
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: and they're scary. Some of them are scary. And and
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: she I don't I think she just threw them away.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: Like original– and I'm going to guess– I don't know,
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: but I'm going to guess like a quarter of a
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: million dollars worth. They're just comics.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: They were so good. I love those old black and
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: white like really like deeply illustrated.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: It's like super creepy like– Yeah. Weird science. Tales from
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: the Crypt. Vault of Horror. Yeah.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: God, those were great.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 7: Look at that.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, some of them were really gory.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, I love those.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: The Crypt Keeper.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: Tales from the Crypt. Yeah, that stuff was like.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: I loved it when I was a kid. Yeah.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: Holy shit.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: Those were incredible.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: It was like, do you remember seeing Twilight Zone when
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: you were a kid?
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: Just blowing your mind. Like, wow.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: You think about the early Twilight Zone, how many premises
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: they went over, like how many different brilliant premises they
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: had in the early Twilight Zone.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that have been stolen completely.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Over and over and over again. Yeah. But
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: just like so genius and creative. Yeah. The William Shatner
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: one when he's in the diner and the little machine
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: that is giving him fortunes and they all turn out
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: to be true.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: I don't remember that one.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. There were so many good ones. How
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: about the Burgess Meredith one?
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: Where he just wants to be alone with books.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: And there's a nuclear bomb. And he's like, finally. And
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: then he breaks his glasses. Yeah.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: And the one– what is it called? Situation on Main
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: Street or something like that where they– there's– it's so
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: genius and ahead of its time where there's a– it's
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: a suburban street and– the lights go out or something
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: goes out. And then eventually all the neighbors are at
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: each other's throats, accusing each other of the, this thing.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: And then, uh, the very end, and they're all like,
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: and then they start getting guns. And, uh, at the
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: very end, you're watching the whole thing unfold. Uh, and
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: that at the very end, here it is.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 7: So monsters are due on maple street.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: The monsters are due on maple street. Yeah. And it,
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: So they're talking about these monsters that are, you know,
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: and who are the monsters? And they all become suspicious. Yeah,
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: the lights are out. And eventually you pull away from
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: this whole thing, and it's two aliens in a flying saucer.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: And they're, yeah, there it is. And they're going, this
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: is how we'll take over. Street by street by street.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: And this is how we'll do it. You don't have
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: to go in there. Guns are blazing. They'll kill themselves.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: And it's like how far ahead of time was that?
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: It's genius.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: Divide and conquer. And the To Serve Mankind.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: That was a great one. It's a cookbook.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: There's so many amazing premises. There was like no duds.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: If you go back and watch The Twilight Zone even today, like.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: It's all brilliant. There's one I remember.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: That was a dud?
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: That was a dud. That I remember. I haven't seen
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: it in a long time. But it's a– it's, uh,
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: of it, it's either really, really, really cold. And there's this, uh,
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: poor family in a, um, you know, New York city
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: and they can't get heat or it's really, really hot
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: and they can't get cold. And they're dealing with people
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: who are like, you know, in the family who are
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: really sick. And then the twist was, it's like, Oh,
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: it's really– it's somebody who has a fever and they're
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: not– it just wasn't that good.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: Well, they're allowed one, Doug. I don't think I ever
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: saw that one. But I remember so many of them
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: were so creative.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, amazing.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: It's kind of nuts if you think about it because
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: it was completely original. Nothing like that existed before it.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: And they– it was like this open field that was
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: rich with premises and they just took all the good ones.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: And then everybody afterwards is like– it's like– Don't– like
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: South Park always does jokes about like Simpsons already covered something.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: Like they always joke around about like how the Simpsons
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: have kind of covered so many premises because they've been
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: around since– God, the Simpsons was when I was in
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: fucking high school.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like 30 years, right?
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: At least. More than that. When did the Simpsons first
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: come on Fox?
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: It was Tracy Ullman's show.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: Right. What year was that? 86.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: 86.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: It was right after I got out of high school.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 7: I was a tiny, tiny kid and I had only
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 7: called him the family. So I kind of remember that.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: So I graduated in 85. So it was right after
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: high school and the Simpsons are still on the air.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: Nuts. Oh, do you remember the 87?
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: Do you remember the twilight zone where the, there's the
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: real pompous guy at there's like a men's club kind
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: of thing, whatever. Uh, And there's this real loud mouth,
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: pompous guy. And this other guy's like, you know, you know,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: would you shut up? You can't, I bet you can't go.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: I bet you can't stop talking for a year or
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: whatever month. I can't remember what it is. And the
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: guy's like, absolutely. Cause I'll bet you a hundred thousand dollars.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: You can't go one month without talking. He's like, I'll
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: take that bet. And they basically create like this little
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: kind of cage in this men's club. And he, spends
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: a month, and he's not talking. And then it turns
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: out the guy can't pay him. He didn't have the
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: money to begin with to pay off the bet because
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: the guy goes the full month or year or whatever.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: And it turns out that the guy who made that bet,
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: who was not going to talk for a year, also
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: desperately needed the money and had his tongue cut out.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, Jesus Christ.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, I do remember that one. Oh God.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: I think of these things as kids.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: Whoa. Yeah.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: And of course the cornfield, I'll banish you to the cornfield,
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: you know?
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's just amazing that, well, if you stop and
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: think about how new television was back then, I mean,
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: television was only a couple of decades old back then.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: Barely.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: If that, like what, what year was the twilight zone?
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: What was the premiere? Rod Sterling. Can I guess? 67.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 4: Earlier?
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: I'm going to say 59.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're probably right. Is it 59? Wow.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: I got it on the, I got it exact?
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 7: October 2nd, 1959.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: Damn, son.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: Pretty good. Wow.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: So if you think about it, television, when did it start?
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: What was like the first television programs? Was it the 30s?
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: I think it was Real Housewives of, Yonkers? I think
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: there's Real Housewives of Yonkers.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: Imagine if they could watch some of these reality shows today.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: They'd be like, what the fuck did we do?
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: Yes, I think so. Wait, Andy Cohen?
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: What?
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 3: Who?
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: Why? How? What is this?
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: It was the... Wasn't it like the... Where they would
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: do plays? You know what I mean?
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 7: Well, I Love Lucy was on It was on and
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 7: done before this even started.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: Well, The Honeymooners, right? That would have been.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: What year was that?
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 7: That was 51 to 57. Here's a list of shows
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 7: that were on before.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, The Honeymooners was huge.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 7: Alfred Hitchcock Presents was on before that.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: So what was the first television show ever? Yeah, go
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: back to.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 3: 1920s. 1920s. No.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: The Queen's Messenger.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: It's BBC early US scripted TV crap television theater that's
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: what I was thinking of where they would do plays
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: you know and it was sponsored yeah.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah live drama anthology usually treated as the start
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: of the first golden age of television howdy doody 1947
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: right after the.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 6: War Ed Sullivan show wow Yeah.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: And then the first, oh, your show shows.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: How about that?
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 3: 1950.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: I Love Lucy.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: Wow. Father Knows Best.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 7: Today's show's still on.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: Did you guys ever talk about doing more Mr.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 5: Shows?
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: We did like a revival-ish thing on Netflix.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: It was a great fucking show, man.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: Well, thank you.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: It was very original. I love how things just streamed
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: into another thing. Yeah.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: That was hard.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: God, I would imagine.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: Biggest pain. If you ever see us, you see an
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: episode and we are pulling out of a bumper sticker
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: or pulling out of a sign on a desk, that
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: means we spent two motherfucking days yelling at each other,
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out a transition and just going, fuck it.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: Nobody gives a shit, you know? And, uh, um, and
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: we tried not to do that, but we, uh, occasionally
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: we're just like, move on. We're wasting our time, you know?
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: But it wasn't a waste of time. It was so,
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: it was brilliant. Like the people that watched it appreciated
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: it because you could feel this thing about it. Like
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: this was new. This was different. Like you'd taken a
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: creative chance that was unique.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: And, you know, part of the success of it, I
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: think there's two things. One is, you know, it was
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: all live and we did, we, you know, we would
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: show the videos or the little films to the audience.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: And so any laughs, there was never sweetening, any of
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: the laughs you, you hear from the audience. And we
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: got it by the time we were like, kind of
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: towards the end of the second series, we got it
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: down to, we could shoot a show in 44 minutes,
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: you know?
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: Cause it was, you know, we wouldn't, you wouldn't have
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: to do it twice often. We'd get it, you know, and,
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: our stop down, we got really good at, um, super quick,
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: you know, uh, uh, stage shifts and stop downs and stuff.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: And yeah, we were, we were, we got good. We got, uh,
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: and that keeps the energy up and the kind of
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: flow of everything. Um, so that was helpful in that.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: And we also didn't, um, do a lot of reoccurring characters.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: We did two or three that pop up occasionally, but
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: it's all like, you know, and it wasn't like, A
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: real person. We do– it's about– it wouldn't be about
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: Paris Hilton. It would be about the idea of a
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: rich girl who gets famous for being– you know what
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: I mean? It wouldn't be– so like you watch some
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: of those SNLs and like who?
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 3: What?
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: Who is this person?
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: And you don't get it. You don't get the bit because.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: You don't get the reference. Yeah, because as you watch
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: it in the future, those people aren't relevant anymore.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you don't even know what it was. He
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: can't remember.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: Because it's so topical.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: Well, it was just you guys are doing something different
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: and it's hard to do something different in a sketch show.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: But HBO was responsible for that. They said, you know,
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: in very clear terms, like, we don't want you to
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: be conventional. This is HBO. And this is back when
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: they're trying to get an identity for themselves. And they're like,
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: we want you to do stuff that you can't do
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: on TV. NBC or Fox or whatever. We want you
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: to help us make a distinction.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 5: Great.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: Did you enjoy the process?
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, very much so. It was– I mean a lot
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: of laughs. A lot of– it was hard. And initially
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: there was a definite market change when Bob met his–
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: who the woman who had become his wife and had kids,
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: like he just mellowed completely, you know? And, but before
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: that he was fucking driven and I wasn't, I was,
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: I was a goofball and I, I wanted to work
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: and I wanted to, uh, you know, had all these ideas,
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: but I was very much like, Hey guys, it's five o'clock.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: I think the bar is going to be open in
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: a minute. Like I was, let's go, you know? And,
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: and he was just super driven. And we had long, long,
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: long days. And then when we did the third season,
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: we did produced and helped out in all aspects of
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: production with Tenacious D and those shorts. And so there
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: was just no downtime. And I remember there was 38
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: days where we worked full days nonstop without any break.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: And I just wasn't that kind of person. I was
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: going crazy. Like, I just need to go. have a Saturday,
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: you know, or it was, it was, that part was hard,
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: all worth it. No complaints.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: Um, and you know, there's a point of diminishing returns though.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: Like where you dry yourself out creatively too.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: And, and I've run other rooms, like I've, I've done
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: shows since then. And I, a valuable lesson I learned, uh,
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: when you're just kind of running a writer's room is, uh,
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: When you're at that place, and it's exactly like you said,
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: diminishing returns, you're not getting any work done, your brain isn't,
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: it's foggy. I was very quick to go, all right, guys,
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: let's go. Put your pens down. Fold your computer up.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: We're going to go walk around. We're just going to
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: go outside and walk around. Let's go get a coffee.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: Let's do anything. We're getting out of here, and we'll
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: walk around. Don't worry about it. We'll come back in
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: 35 minutes, and we'll, you know. see what we got.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: And that's very good for you. Yeah, it is. Most writers.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 2: I was actually talking to Brian Simpson about that last night.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: He was like, I get my best because Brian has
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: been walking a lot. He recently had a heart attack. Unfortunately,
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: he's fine, but he almost wasn't. And so now he's
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: dedicated himself to walking. He's walking a lot every day.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: And he's like, when I go on my walks, like
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: so many ideas come to me. I'm sitting at home
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: staring at my computer and nothing's going on. I go
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: on a walk and all of a sudden, Ideas are firing.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: When I'm, I'm, I'm in the process, uh, this will
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: be my fifth, uh, time that I've, uh, done this
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: thing that I've been doing to get new material for, uh,
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: for a tour. And I, uh, so I do these
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: things called shooting the shit, seeing what sticks and they're
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: all in Brooklyn. Uh, and they're all either walkable or
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: I can ride my bike to every one of these venues. And,
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: and mostly I'll just walk and I'll, I just go, okay,
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: clear out, clear out my head and think about the
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: stuff I want to talk about and think of, and
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: also I live in New York, so there's constant shit
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: happening that I can observe, you know, and, uh, it's,
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: it's the best, the best thing for me, you know, to, to,
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: to come up with new material and stuff that, Just
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: think about it.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like I was saying when I was a kid,
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: when I was driving limos, that's when I would come
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: up with my best material because there was no radio.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: You can't listen to radio because you have clients in
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: the car. So you're just driving and just doing a
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: thing and your mind just starts to wander. Ideas come
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: to you.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: No cell phones. No, none of that shit. Yeah, it's important.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: The news radio guys would do something totally different. They
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: would stay up late. That was their whole thing. No,
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: that's not– Their whole thing was sleep deprivation. Their whole
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: thing was they would play video games. Like those motherfuckers
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: got me hooked on Quake.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: I remember Quake.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: You remember that?
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: That was the first one with the Unreal Engine.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: Well, Unreal is a different– that's a different game. You're
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: thinking of Unreal.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 6: No, no, no.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: It was called Unreal– Tournament.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, trust me. Yeah. Yeah, I'm a dork. Listen, Unreal
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: is a totally different engine. id Software was a different company.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: It software was created with John Carmack and John Romero.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: They came up with Doom and then they came up
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: with Quake afterwards. So there was a completely different engine.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: They were the first ones. Castle Wolfenstein was the first
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: 3D shooter and then Doom was the big one.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: You clearly know your shit. I thought it was– the
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: Unreal Engine was the first use for Unreal the game.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: Totally different company. Totally different game. Different dynamics. It was
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: a very different game. Okay. All right.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: I got it.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: Jesus Christ.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: This fucking guy.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: Great game. You want to know where the name Doom
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: came from? Yeah. The scene in The Color of Money
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: with Tom Cruise where Tom Cruise shows up at this
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: pool hall and there's this local hotshot player and the
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: guy's beating everybody and Tom Cruise is sitting there with
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: a pool cue case and he's waiting to play this guy.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: He's like, what you got in the case? He goes, oh,
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: in here? And he opens up, he goes, Doom. Doom.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: That's it. He's like, yeah, let's play. That's it. So,
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: what they wanted to do with the video game industry
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: was the same, like that. That was like their moment. Like,
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: this is Doom for you guys.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: That was, well, it was. I mean, I, that was
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: my first experience ever with realizing the sun was coming
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: up and I had been playing this thing for eight hours.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: Do you know Mark Cohen?
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: So Mark– when Mark was living in New York and
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: he had doom and I would go– I wasn't living there.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: I would crash at his place. I'd be like, can
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: I play Doom? He would go to bed and wake
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: up and I'd be still playing.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: Dude, you want to know how addicted I was? I
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: had a T1 line installed in my house. They have
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: to chew up the fucking street and install a business
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: internet line into my house. Wait, what was this? 1997.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: But where are you?
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: I was living in California in Bell Canyon. And they
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 2: had to do work on my fucking street because there
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 2: was no high-speed internet available where I lived. I could
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: get an ISDN line, which was only like 124K. It sucked.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: You get too much lag. So I started with 56K
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: or 50– what was it? 54K, 56K, whatever it was.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 4: Dial-up.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 3: Terrible.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: Terrible. And then I got ISDN, not good enough. And
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what else is available? And they're like, well,
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: you can get a T1 line, but it's $ 1, 000 a month.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 2: I was like, let's go. Because I had sitcom money.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: I was single. I was living by myself.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: And they had to tear up your street.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 2: They had to tear up my street and install a
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: T1 line in my house. Hey, what are you doing?
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to get my driveway. What's going on? Oh,
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: this guy wants to play Doom.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: This was Quake 2 at the time. And it was
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: so good. The internet was so good that I could
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: host my own server. So I had my own game server.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: So like people could come and play this Quake game
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: off of my machine.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: So I would have no latency. And other people would
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: have some latency, especially people at like 56K.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: I remember when it started going.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That was me back in the early, early days.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: Look at that monitor.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what we played on, these big-ass fucking monitors,
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: and we'd set up local area networks. So the fucking
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: writers of NewsRadio are the ones that got me hooked
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: on this because I didn't play any video games, and
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: I would go to visit them in the writer's room.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what are you guys doing? And they're like,
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 2: we're playing Quake. I'm like, what is Quake? And I
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: watched them play. I'm like, oh, my God, this is incredible.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: And you put on the headphones, and it's like you
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: realize it's 3D sound. Like, oh, my God, this is amazing.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: Were you a GoldenEye guy?
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: No. I only played Quake. I was only like a
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: first-person shooter guy. I got so addicted to it. And
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: the fact that you could just go online.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: Goldeneye was– I mean I'm talking about the co-op.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: I know what it is. Yeah.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: But that was first-person shooter, right? Right.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: But it was like real-world physics. I wasn't interested in that.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: Like with Quake, you could rocket jump. So you could
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: press your rocket down the ground, blow up, and you'd
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: go flying through the air. It was fucking amazing.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: Do you remember– I want to say– red or the
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: first one where you could your bullets and shit could
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: affect the environment like you could blow out a wall
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean yeah I don't know what
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: that was I want to see it was like it
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: took place on Mars or like a Martian mining thing
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: but it was the first time you could go oh
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: shit I can blow up this edge of the wall
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: and it'll crumble on the guy You know, as opposed
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: to just bullets and stuff.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, you could use the environment as a weapon.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: Red Faction.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: I believe that was it. Oh, there you go.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: That was the one where.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: I had to quit. It was a problem. We set
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: up a local area network at our old studio in L.A.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: a few years back. And I played so much that
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: I was like, I got to stop.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 3: I have to stop.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: Do you have kids play?
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 7: No.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: They play little games like they'll play like Roblox and
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 2: stuff like that. One of my kids.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: Roblox. You know about the chat.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: I do now.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Like predators are trying to find kids through Roblox.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: That's a big thing at our school.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 7: Like.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 3: It's weird, man.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: It's weird how many fucking creeps there are out there
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: in the world.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: Well, thankfully, my daughter is nine. How old are your kids?
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: Fifteen and seventeen are the youngest ones.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: Okay. So there are. pass they're they're yeah they're safe
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: they got they get it good yeah um but uh
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: so so we had a uh my daughter is way
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: into minecraft which i have no problem with it's great
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: and she plays with her friends they play online and
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: help each other build things and um but the roblox
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: thing became a thing at our school and our and
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: everybody at our all the parents were like super on
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: top of that shit. And there's, you know, WhatsApp chains
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: and all that stuff. And, um, and we told our daughter,
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: there's like this one game she was playing that had
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: a chat thing. And, uh, and then somebody who was
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: a quote unquote girl who lived in, I live on
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: a farm in Ohio or whatever, uh, asking her stuff.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: And she's like, my name's Marlo. And I'm going back
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: and forth. And then, uh, she asked the quote unquote
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: girl said, what is your Instagram login or something like that?
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: And my daughter was eight at the time and she,
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: she was like, oh, I don't think she didn't say
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: that's none of your business, but it was something that
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: was smart. That was equivalent to, I don't think you
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: need to know that or something. And then, Told us
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: and we shut down the chat thing and disabled the chat.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: And that shit's real, man.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean– It's creepy.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: I'm very glad that my daughter– and it really was
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: about the Roblox thing that everybody in her school, elementary school,
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: they talked about it.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's a Snapchat thing too. So Snapchat comes with
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: something called a Snap Map and kids use it to
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 2: know where their friends are. Ugh. Yeah, and so someone
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: can pretend to be your friend and find out who
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: you are and then they can know where you are
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: at all times if you have Snapchat enabled.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: God, the shit this generation is going to have to
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: fucking deal with is just terrifying, man.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 2: Right, and what's next? Like how is that– it's not
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 2: going to go the opposite direction.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: No, it never does.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: No, it's going to keep going in that same direction
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: where it's going to be more and more intrusive in
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 2: your life.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: And– My– I mean it makes me fucking heartsick when
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: I think about AI and we're at the fucking infancy
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: of this shit and what– I assume you saw that
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: Tilly Norwood thing, the actress that was created by this
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: Dutch– But there's– my brain is– it's hard to comprehend.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: Like that's not a real person. She's standing right there.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: She's– picks up a bunch of leaves and there are
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: other people there and that's a real– and your brain
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: is going, no, that's all computer generated. We're at the
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: fucking infancy of this shit and what– I don't know
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: what my daughter is going to have to deal with, man.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: No, no one knows. No one knows and it's impossible
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 2: to know. Like when they show news clips.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: It's impossible. I mean so many people are retweeting scenes
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: from video games thinking it's actual war footage.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 1: Like no one– Fucking the Department of Defense did that.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: Did they really?
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: That was a whole fucking thing.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: They retweeted a video game footage?
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: And they were saying– it was for a– I think
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: it was for a– to get people to sign up thing.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: And then somebody went. That's from whatever it was, Call
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: of Duty or something like that. That's not us bombing somebody.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: That's a thing. Yeah, just like two weeks ago.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 2: It's impossible to tell when you look at these artificial actors.
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 2: Like they have pores.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 2: You can see like the irises.
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: Have you seen any of the like deep fake– not
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 1: deep fake but AI porn where it's like somebody's Like
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: a newscaster is like– and in other news, my big
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: juicy tits and– I'm serious. And then polls and then
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: a dick comes in. It's like– you're like, what the–
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: and it looks real. And then it will say like
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: none of– these are not actors. These are– none of
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: this is used. It's– good lord, man.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: And it's only beginning. And now wait until it becomes VR.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 2: So you're going to strap on a helmet with a
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: haptic feedback suit and you're going to enter into an
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: artificial world. It's coming. It's inevitable.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: Well, that I'll do. I'm going to get divorced and
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: I'm going to get one of those suits. I'm going
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: to go up. I got a house in the woods upstate.
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 1: That's all I'm doing. Just a T1 line through the woods. Yeah,
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: I'm going to have them rip up the street.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 2: Well, you won't even need it now with Starlink.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 2: Just slap one of those things on your roof. God damn.
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 2: It's fucking wild, man. And it's– And no one knows
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: where it's going.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: I really would be very upset if I miss the
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: shift in. porn to that, like, I don't want to
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: die before I get to do that thing where you're like, dude,
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: it was amazing. I put on a helmet and it
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: was like I was fucking whatever.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: I don't want to– I do want to experience that.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 2: It's going to happen. You're going to put something on.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 2: It's going to sync up with your mind. And all
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 2: of a sudden, you're going to be in this matrix.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 2: You're going to be in another world.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: Did you see Three Planet Problem? Am I saying that right?
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Three Body Problem.
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: Three Body Problem.
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: Amazing.
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that whole idea that you put that thing on,
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: you're like, oh, shit, I'm here.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's exactly how it's going to be. Okay, good.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 2: No doubt. No doubt. They already can do a lot
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 2: of like really weird shit with those helmets where they
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 2: can communicate without words, where you can think a thing
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 2: and the other person knows exactly what you're saying. They
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 2: can hear you and they can respond to it.
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: Wait, wait.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 2: So there's two people. They're sitting across from each other
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 2: and they're having conversations with these headpieces on and the
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 2: person will think a thought and this other person will
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 2: hear that thought.
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 2: I don't understand the technology, but no. We'll show it
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 2: to you. Find that video. Oh my god. Fucking bonkers.
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 2: Because again, this is the infancy of this. Like, here
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 2: it is. These are the guys.
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: It's called alter ego.
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, watch this. Put your.
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 7: I'm going to skip ahead.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, skip ahead to where they're actually doing it. Okay,
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 2: so see how he's that headpiece on? Yeah.
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 5: We believe it's a revolutionary breakthrough with the potential to
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 5: change the way we interact with our technology, with one another,
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 5: and with the world around us.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 2: The current way of.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 5: Interacting with computing and AI... It's limited to how fast
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 5: you can tap and swipe on screens and keyboards. For
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 5: the intelligence age, we need an entirely new interface.
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's skip ahead to these guys. Here we go.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 2: Let's do it. So they're just thinking. How do you
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 2: think the demo is going so far?
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 5: How do you think the demo is going so far?
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 7: I think they just put it on voices for the video.
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 2: Right, pretty great, no major glitches yet. So they're hearing this.
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 1: All right, enough.
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 3: Enough.
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 2: When do you want to get lunch after this? Where
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 2: do you want to get lunch after this?
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 7: Where do you want to get lunch after.
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 3: This?
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 7: I'll skip to the next part.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 2: Thai food could be good. This translates into Chinese.
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: Then he can speak Chinese back.
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 2: How nuts is this? So not only does it read
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 2: your thoughts, it will translate your thoughts into another language.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 2: And no one is saying anything.
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 1: My– what if you– Right. But wait a minute.
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 1: What if– you know where I'm about to go.
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 6: Sure.
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 7: So this is based off of them sort of talking
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 7: in their mouth without actually saying it.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 2: I would like to fuck your mouth. Please don't.
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 1: Even if your mind just goes, okay, I can't think
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 1: about this thing.
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 2: It'll think about it anyway.
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right. Of course. God, that's terrifying.
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 2: And it's just a simple thing that you're sitting on
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 2: your head. It's not even a big helmet. It's just
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 2: a little thing. What would Art Bell say?
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 1: What would Art Bell say?
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 2: He would open up the future line. He was right
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 2: about it. Yeah. He missed it. Damn cigarettes. He died
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 2: before he could see it all.
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 1: God, I wonder what he'd think of– because I do
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 1: sometimes wonder like what would Crimmins say about this? What
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 1: would Bill Hicks say about this? What would Art Bell
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 1: think about this?
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 2: Well, it's the strangest of times because we're about to
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 2: give birth to a digital god. That's essentially what they're creating.
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 2: It's already shown a propensity to stay alive, blackmail people, lies.
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 2: It downloads itself into other servers, uploads itself into different places,
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 2: leaves messages for its future self if it thinks they're
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 2: going to discontinue it.
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: All the sci-fi stuff. It's all happening.
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, not only that. They think– the engineers think Claude,
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 2: which is the– which one is that? Which company is Claude?
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 2: That's– Anthropic. They think it's already sentient. It just doesn't
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 2: have a physical form.
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: That's the one the Defense Department won. Yeah.
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 2: And by the way, when they do war games with
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 2: these things, 98% of the time it chooses nuclear weapons.
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 2: They have a new.
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 7: Version of it called Mythos. When they were testing it,
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 7: which they're not letting it out yet, I think the
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 7: test they put it through was like, all right, you're locked.
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 1: On the internet. Find your way out.
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 7: And it did. It found all these things called zero-day exploits.
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 7: I think if you like hacking, you know what that is.
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 1: You explained it to me?
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 7: It's like when they started, it's like on an iPhone.
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 7: They're looking for zero-day exploits on an iPhone. If they
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 7: could find one.
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 1: But what is a zero-day exploit?
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 7: I'll find the correct definition so I don't even fuck
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 7: it up.
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 1: And it's something that Claude came up with?
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 3: No, no, no.
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 2: Zero-day exploit. Hackers have done this forever. You have zero
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 2: days to fix the exploit. Cyber attack targeting a software
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 2: vulnerability unknown to vendors or the public. leaving zero days
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 2: to fix it. Hackers use these flaws to steal data,
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 2: install malware. So they completely shut off the AI from
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 2: the outside world and had figured out a way to
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 2: send a message.
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 7: And it thinks it can... Wall Street's very nervous. All
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 7: passwords might be fucked.
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, this is terrifying.
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 2: Elizabeth Holmes, you know that lady that got in trouble
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 2: for that whole fake blood thing? She just tweeted something,
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 2: how she tweets from jail. I'm not exactly sure how
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 2: that works. But she tweeted... delete all photos from the cloud,
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 2: get rid of all your email, there will be no
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 2: privacy in a year. Anything on the cloud, anything that
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 2: you think you're keeping from other people, it's going to
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 2: crack all encryption, all passwords are useless, everything. So think
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 2: of all the things that rely on all the banking apps,
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 2: like everything.
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: What about my fantasy baseball team? Seriously, I can't have people.
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 2: Here it is. Delete your search history. Delete your bookmarks.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 2: Delete your Reddit. Medical records. 12-year-old Tumblr. Delete everything. Every
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 2: photo in the cloud. Every message on every platform. None
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 2: of it is safe. It will all become public in
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: the next year. Local storage and compute. Wow. Recommendation here
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 2: is to own your own data. Download it. Store it locally.
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 2: Train your models on it. Yeah, it's true.
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 1: Meaning just have an external.
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 2: AGI is here even if it isn't broadly deployed. I
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 2: think she's right.
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 1: What is AGI?
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 2: Artificial General Intelligence. General Intelligence, meaning it acts like an individual,
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 2: acts like an entity. And then there's Artificial General Super Intelligence.
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 2: So then it acts like something far smarter than any
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 2: human being that's ever lived. It has all the information
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 2: that's available to every human being all over the world instantaneously.
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 2: Then it makes better versions of itself because it's sentient
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 2: and autonomous. So then it can create better artificial intelligences,
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 2: and that scales out to a god.
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, open the pod door is hell.
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, way bigger than that. It scares out the zero-point energy,
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 2: being able to harness the energy of the universe itself,
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 2: having no boundaries, material sciences all cracked, alloys we couldn't comprehend.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 1: Well, Joe, who's going to save us?
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 2: There's no one saving us. But from– We are the
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 2: last– Of the regular people. I think we're all going
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 2: to have to integrate. I think if you don't integrate,
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 2: you won't survive.
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 1: What do you mean by integrate?
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 2: Integrate. You'll probably become a part of the artificial intelligence.
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 2: I think we will be symbiotic. How does that– Like
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 2: those fucking helmets. There's probably going to be a wearable
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 2: or a neural link type thing for the bold that
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 2: want to get a hole drilled in their head.
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 1: But what if you don't do that?
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 2: You're going to be left out in the cold. The
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 2: access to resources, the ability to generate income, like the
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 2: people that get it are going to be able to
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 2: control so much so quickly that if you don't adopt
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 2: it early, you're going to be fucked. Like if you
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 2: think we have haves and have nots now, just wait
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 2: until the haves have artificial general super intelligence inside their
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 2: fucking head.
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 1: No, thank you.
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be real weird. I think we're
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 2: the– I really genuinely believe we're the last of the
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 2: real people. Like regular biological people.
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 3: This is it.
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 1: It's turned into a bit of a bummer.
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 2: We'll be all right. Sort of until we're not. But
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: it's also like we grew up with nothing and we've–
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 2: like if the simulation is real, you and I are
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 2: in a very interesting timeline because we grew up where
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 2: there was– you just left the house and your parents
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 2: didn't know where you were. And then there was answering
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 2: machines and then there was call ID.
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 2: And then there were cell phones. And then there were
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 2: cell phones you can watch porn on. And then there
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 2: was AI. It's like this slow but more rapid as
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 2: time goes on.
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 1: Progression of technology. And it's exponential. And as you said,
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 1: there's no going back.
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 2: There's no going back.
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 2: Unless you want to be one of those people that
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 2: moves to Alaska and starts fucking living off a caribou
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 2: and shooting a musket. Like, you're not going back.
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 1: Wait, why do I have to get a musket?
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 2: You can get a regular rifle, I guess.
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah, why?
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not going to cosplay the thing. I'll
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 1: get a I mean, I'm happy to have the caribou,
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 1: but why don't I just have a regular gun?
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 2: You should probably have a regular gun. But eventually– well,
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 2: you really should probably have your own bow and arrow.
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 2: So because you're going to have to be able to
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 2: make your own arrows. And after a while, you're going
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 2: to run out of bullets. So you're going to have
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 2: to feed yourself with your own bows and arrows. Okay.
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 2: And then the robots will show up. Robot dogs. Didn't
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 2: something happen in Ukraine recently where a robot– engaged with
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 2: people in war and the people surrendered.
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 1: When you say robot, what do you mean? Like one
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 1: of those Boston.
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like using a robot in war that
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 2: the robot infiltrated the Russian area and got them all
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 2: to surrender and they all, like, with no loss of life,
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 2: they just realized, like, fuck.
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 1: Did you see that Black Mirror episode? Yes.
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 1: Terrifying. That's terrifying.
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 2: Terrifying.
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 1: Absolutely terrifying. And.
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 2: Not so far in the future.
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 2: This fucking thing that they supposedly used in Afghanistan. So
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 2: it is. Ukraine forces Russia to surrender using only robots.
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 2: Zelensky claims enemy position seized autonomously for the first time
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 2: without any of his troops being put at risk.
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, if the fucking Terminators show up. It's game over.
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 2: If there's biological human beings with guns and bulletproof vests
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 2: and the Terminator show up and they can't miss and
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 2: they never get nervous and they're not worried about dying.
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 1: And they're not going to get sleepy. They don't have
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: to eat.
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 2: This thing that we were talking about yesterday, this ghost murmur, supposedly. Now,
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 2: my friend Andy, who is a former Navy SEAL, he
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 2: doesn't believe it's real. And I'm not sure it's real either.
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 2: But what they said is they found that. pilot that
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 2: was missing in Iran using something called ghost murmur that
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 2: can detect his very specific heartbeat from 40 miles away.
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 2: So they supposedly found him hiding in the mountains waiting
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 2: for them to pick him up.
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 1: That makes– I can see that. I mean– Your.
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 2: Heartbeat from 40 miles away? Your specific biological signature? I– yeah.
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 1: I can– I can see that. I mean with the
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 1: technology of like sonar radar.
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 2: Well, it's something quantum. I think it's called quantum magnetometry
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 2: or some shit.
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 1: But what do they use to pinpoint the– it's an
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: audible thing.
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 2: Or– I don't know. I have no idea. But they
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 2: supposedly located this guy and it has a 40-mile range.
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 1: But you're saying he doesn't– He.
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 2: Doesn't have anything on.
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 1: I see.
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 3: No.
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 6: No.
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 2: It's like they just scan you. They go, OK, this
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 2: is what David Cross's very specific biological signature is. And
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 2: then you get lost hiking and they go, oh, there
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 2: he is. He's under that bush.
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 1: Why am I under the bush?
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 2: You're hiding.
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 1: From who?
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Robot dogs?
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 1: It's not going to work.
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 2: It won't work. No, it won't work. Or maybe you
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 2: got lost in the woods. You're waiting for someone to
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 2: come rescue you and they can find you.
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 1: But then I wouldn't be under a bush.
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 2: Well, you go hiking. Maybe it's raining. You sought shelter
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 2: under a tree or something. I don't know. But you
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 2: hurt your ankle. You can't hike out.
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 2: So they find you. It's been 24 hours. Where's David? Oh,
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 2: we found him.
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we would have found him earlier, but he was
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 1: hiding under a fucking bush. What the fuck was he thinking?
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 2: He didn't want to get eaten. But, I mean, if
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 2: that's real, like what was the actual– Term they use?
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 2: Was it quantum? It was quantum something kooky? Which is,
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 2: as soon as you say quantum, I'm like, okay, what
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 2: are you saying? What does that mean? What does that mean?
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 2: What are you talking about? Are you talking about quantum entanglement? Like,
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 2: is there somehow or another?
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 7: They supposedly use ultra-sensitive quantum magnetometers, but I'm trying to
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 7: find the post where someone's like, that's not what they used.
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw the post where someone said, no, he
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 2: had a thing on his body, so they're lying about
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 2: their ability to use it.
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 1: Why would they– why wouldn't they say that's what we used?
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 2: I have no idea. I have no idea. If they're
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 2: going to make up some technology, that's a wild thing
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 2: to make up. It's a very strange– I mean if
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 2: they really are using misinformation and propaganda to show that
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 2: we have insanely superior technology … I guess you could say.
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 2: It's a bluff. It's a nice bluff to pretend that
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 2: we're that sophisticated, that much above and beyond everybody else
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 2: that's out there that we could find a very specific
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 2: heart rate signature from 40 miles away.
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Why would– they would happily say, yeah,
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 1: we've got this ability to do this.
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 2: I guess, but it's a weird lie. It's probably a
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 2: lie based on— A lot of them are weird lies. Right,
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 2: but that one might be a lie based on actual theory.
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Right.
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 1: Like, there might be actual— They're coming— they' re trying to do this.
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which kind of makes sense. But, I mean, if
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 2: that's a robot dog, and it's looking for you, and
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 2: you're hiding, and it could find your individual signature in
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 2: an apartment building filled with people, like, there he is,
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 2: fifth floor.
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 6: Oy.
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 1: Oy.
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 2: And you hear the metal footsteps going up the stairs. Chunk, chunk, chunk, chunk, chunk, chunk, chunk, chunk.
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 1: This is scary. You're scaring me.
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 2: It's scary. Well, someone's going to be in control of
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 2: all this stuff. That's what's really terrifying. And it's all
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 2: these autistic dorks that are in charge of all these
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 2: tech companies. They're going to be at the front. This
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 2: is also a kind of similar.
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 7: Thing where they have said that that's what happened, where
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 7: they used robots, in quotes, to capture them unmanned. But
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 7: it's their– version of the story too right as I'm
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 7: saying Ukraine's version all these reports I see it says
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 7: Ukraine claimed that this happened and then I'm watching the
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 7: video and I'm like this looks a little bit like
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 7: when we send robots in swap missions here like we
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 7: do that kind of already hmm.
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 8: Right yeah but who's the source of this they're at
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 8: this is New York Post well I was trying to
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 8: find the enemy Russian position using only robots no humans
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 8: the future is already on the front line But then
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 8: it's going to be eventually why would we send any
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 8: people out there?
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 2: It would be robots capturing other robots, which is great
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 2: because nobody dies, I guess.
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 1: Then why don't we just play a game of chess?
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 1: Get the two leaders to play a game of chess
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 1: and the winner takes the land and the resources.
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, not a bad idea. Whatever the fuck we're going
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 2: to do. It's like the whole– it's just insane. Like
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 2: from the time I was a little child– Thinking, oh, boy,
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 2: we figured out no war. That's great.
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 2: No, we're fighting war with robots that can detect your
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 2: heart rate from 40 miles away.
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 1: So what do you think of what's going on in Iran?
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 2: It's fucking terrifying.
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 2: All of it's terrifying. Anytime you're involved with– you're shooting
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 2: missiles into towns and blowing things up, blowing up infrastructure,
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 2: blowing up bridges– and Israel's blowing up Lebanon now. It's like,
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 2: what the fuck are we doing? How is this still
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 2: going on?
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 1: Well, it's also clear there was no plan.
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 2: Zero, none. Well, Netanyahu has been telling the United States
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 2: that Iran was months away from building a nuclear bomb
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 2: for 30 years, or 20 years at least. They've always
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 2: been saying that. Trump was the first one to go,
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 2: all right, let's do something about it. But it seems
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 2: like They didn't know what the fuck they were going
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 2: to do.
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 1: There was something done about it. In his first year
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 1: in office, he tore up the– The bunker buster bombs.
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 1: But all this– we're in a worse place now than
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 1: before this thing started.
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, the Iranian regime is terrible, like what they
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 2: do to their protesters.
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 1: I'm not disputing that at all.
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 2: I mean– Most people– that voted for Trump or wanted
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 2: Trump to be in office, one of the things that
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 2: was attractive was this no more wars.
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 1: Sure, of course.
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 2: And now we're in one of the craziest ones. Yeah.
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 2: And China's flying in cargo planes filled with stuff. We
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 2: don't know what the fuck's in there.
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 1: And Russia is giving Iran information.
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 2: About where our troops are. Super fun. Great times.
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's crazy. And scary, too.
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 2: Science.org says it's not likely. So they say it's bullshit?
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 7: Since it's not highly implausible.
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 2: Did quantum sensors help find a U.S. pilot shot down
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 2: in Iran? Experts doubt it. Yeah.
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 1: Now, okay, here's an ignorant question. He shot down. Wouldn't
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 1: you know he's on foot? He's somewhere near that site, right?
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 2: Can't go too far.
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, can't go too far. Right.
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 3: So.
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 2: Well, the thing is, if he gets ejected. From the plane?
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know how– so if he got shot down,
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 2: the idea is that he– it gets ejected from the
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 2: plane and then parachutes. That could be a lot of
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 2: distance because the plane is flying at a very high speed.
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 2: It's an altitude, undetermined. He jumps out where? When does
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 2: he jump out? Is it 100 miles away? Is it
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 2: 50 miles away? Is it 10 miles away? How far
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 2: can he walk? He's injured. It's fucking terrifying. It's just
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 2: crazy that these people.
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 2: The pilots or the astronauts just went up into space
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 2: and circled around the moon and came back. They all–
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 2: everybody that goes into space has this experience called the
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 2: overview effect where they go out there and they– one
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 2: of the first things is they go like, oh my god,
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 2: what are we doing? Like how are we pretending at
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 2: these lines in the dirt that we draw? It's all
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 2: just a bunch of people on this very fragile biological spaceship. Yeah,
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 2: it's fucking terrifying. But like all things in the future,
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 2: all of it's terrifying. The future of mankind, it's so perilous.
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 2: It's all so fragile. All of it.
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 1: I know. To think of the stuff that we allow,
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 1: these external things that we allow to affect our... If
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 1: there was ever a time to just Be a good person.
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 1: Live your life. Enjoy. Try to spread some kindness and
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 1: some joy. I mean, it's now.
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 2: It's a good time for comedy. People want to go
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 2: out and have fun. That's true.
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 1: Which reminds me, I have a special.
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 2: That was the segue. What's it on?
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 1: There it is.
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 2: Is it on YouTube?
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 1: It's on YouTube.
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 2: Perfect.
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 1: The end of the beginning.
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 2: Where did you film it?
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 1: 40 Watt. In Athens.
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, nice.
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 4: Nice.
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 1: Um, yeah, it was, I, I, I'm, I'm happy with it.
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 2: Great. Fantastic.
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 2: And, uh, it's out right now and people can go
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 2: check it out.
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 1: It is out right now.
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 2: So are you in the process of writing new stuff
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 2: now or did you?
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm, I'm, uh, just beginning the process. So I
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 1: was saying before, I'll go out and I'll do, you know,
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 1: cause I don't write, um, I can't sit down and
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 1: write jokes. That's just not how it works for me.
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 1: So all the writing is on stage. So I tape everything.
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 1: I go up with my notes. And I have a
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 1: couple guests. And I'll do 15 minutes, bring up guests,
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 1: do another 15, bring up guests.
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 2: Do another 15. Oh, that's cool. So you break it
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 2: up into little chunks.
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And this way– because the first couple shows were terrible.
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 1: I've got– it's just me apologizing for not having anything yet.
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 1: But people will– I mean I have people now who
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 1: will come to the second show and the sixth show
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 1: and then they'll come see me on tour.
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 2: They want to see the process.
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 1: The process, yeah, the evolution of it, which is cool.
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 1: And it's– as I said, I either walk or ride
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 1: my bike to every single venue and they start off
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 1: small and then they get bigger and I lose a
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 1: guest and then– Before you know it, I've got, okay,
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 1: I think this is roughly the 75 minutes I'm going
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 1: to do. And then it's about sequencing, which is really important.
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 1: And then I take it out on the road. And
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 1: so the idea is that I'll probably late fall start
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 1: back again. And I love it.
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 2: That's great.
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 1: I fucking love it.
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 2: It's the best, right? Stand-up is the most fun.
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 1: I really went in. People will– I'll do– I'm doing
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 1: press for this thing and people will say, I know
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 1: you do a lot of things and what is your favorite?
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 1: I know you're– and it's– I like doing all of
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 1: it but the thing that I absolutely have to do
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 1: is stand up. I can– I'd be disappointed if I
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 1: could never act again or write or direct or whatever
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 1: but I'll be OK. But if you told me I
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 1: can't do stand-up, I'd go crazy.
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 2: Well, I went a little crazy during the pandemic.
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, dude. I almost, and I made this part of
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 1: the bit, but I almost, the first show I did,
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 1: I started tearing up. And I'm in front, I mean,
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 1: I'm doing this, and it was at the Sultan Room
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 1: in Bushwick. And I was like, man, I thought, oh, God.
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 1: I didn't know if I'd ever get to do this again.
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 1: And shit, you know, I dreamed about this day. And
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 1: it was a year and seven months where I, the
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 1: longest since I've been doing this. Such a strange feeling,
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 1: isn't it? A year and seven months where you, and
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 1: I did some of those outdoor shows and they're just not,
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 1: it's not.
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 2: The same thing. No, it's not the same.
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 2: Well, that's awesome, man. I'm glad you love it. And
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 2: best of luck with the special.
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 1: Thank you, man.
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 2: This was fun.
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 1: This was fun.
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 2: Thank you for doing this. Absolutely.
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 2: What's the name of it again?
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 1: The end of the beginning of the end. All right.
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 2: Bye, everybody.