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Diva! Conspiracy Girlies! (w. Karen Kilgariff + Martha Kelly) · Brief Recess: A Legal Podcast with Michael Foote & Mélissa Malebranche

• 0:07
  Speaker 1: Welcome to Brief Recess. I'm Michael. Today we're going to
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: be talking about the contentious Pam Bondi hearing, TMZ Guthrie
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  Speaker 1: conspiracy theories, calls to deport Emily in Paris, which comes
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: directly from me wondering whether or not Kirk Coo Bang
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  Speaker 1: was murdered or committed suicide. We have an incredible interview
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  Speaker 1: with Martha, Kelly and all of I'm going to answer
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  Speaker 1: all the questions from your dms, so stick around. Well,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for joining me. Everyone. You may notice that
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  Speaker 1: Melissa is not here, but I've got an extra special
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  Speaker 1: guest co host, Karen Kilgarrett.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, I'm welcome. I'm so excited to be here.
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  Speaker 3: Melissa.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, my best I had to come to LA
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  Speaker 1: because there's a detention center here that I had to
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  Speaker 1: go to for work. And I was like, hey, Karen,
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  Speaker 1: do you mind if I film my show in a
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  Speaker 1: while i'm there?
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  Speaker 2: And I said, no, I'm sorry, you're going to have
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  Speaker 2: to rent it from us. What else were you doing?
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  Speaker 1: Sure? I ven mooted you for the speaker.
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  Speaker 2: Feet Yeah, Absilly did you go? How was it? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: It was great to go and see my client who's there.
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  Speaker 1: There's this like weird thing happening where well, it's not weird,
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  Speaker 1: it's fascism.
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  Speaker 2: But it's weird, though.
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  Speaker 1: Yes it is. It is fucking weird. But there's this
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  Speaker 1: like Afghan families are getting arrested by ICE. And they're
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  Speaker 1: Afghan families who have helped the US government and military
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  Speaker 1: in Afghanistan during the war. So it's kind of insane
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  Speaker 1: because they're here as a si lees from the government
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  Speaker 1: that fell because of America's interference. Yes, and they were translators,
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  Speaker 1: they were intelligence people who brought their whole families over
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  Speaker 1: when the Taliban took over in Afghanistan and then lived
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  Speaker 1: here for a couple of years under a different administration
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  Speaker 1: and now are being scooped up by ICE agents and
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  Speaker 1: being held at detention centers. Horri fine and so but
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's great because when I go to the judges,
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  Speaker 1: they're like, girl, what.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh good? Immediately is a whack.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, but it is like administrative paperwork. Just to
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  Speaker 1: get in front of that judge. You have to like
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  Speaker 1: get the bond motion prepared, which is a nightmare, and
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  Speaker 1: a lot of times people are detained so you need
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  Speaker 1: things signed, which is how are we going to get
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  Speaker 1: it to them? So we have to mail packets out.
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  Speaker 1: It's a whole rigamarole. I mean, it's a disaster.
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  Speaker 2: Thank God for you going to work every day and
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  Speaker 2: just doing it and like having the attitude that you do,
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  Speaker 2: because just even in that where it's like so so
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  Speaker 2: these people who basically sacrifice everything for America and for democracy,
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  Speaker 2: their reward is to be brought here and have democracy.
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  Speaker 2: And soon after they arrive.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly, yes, exactly, And it's like to flee that, come
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  Speaker 1: here and then experience that, it's like damn, yeah, can
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  Speaker 1: I catch a fucking brain.
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  Speaker 2: Just fucking trauma after trauma?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. It's like going from one
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  Speaker 1: bad boyfriend to another.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's your boyfriend controlled everything the world. It's so
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  Speaker 2: beyond I mean the idea that's simultaneous to updates like that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: then it's also Epstein, left, right and center.
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  Speaker 1: This will drop a week from now, So we're recording
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  Speaker 1: a day after the Pambondi hearing. So if we're a
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  Speaker 1: little out of touch with what happens and how that develops,
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  Speaker 1: I just made a video today about Pampondi lying in
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  Speaker 1: front of Congress. Yeah, just the notion that it's one
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  Speaker 1: thing to spin stories in the media like Trump does
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  Speaker 1: all the time. Right, he defends, he denies, but you're
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  Speaker 1: under oath, you're sworn in, Like what are you doing? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this is perjury, this is a felony.
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  Speaker 2: And it's now so normalized. It seems like watching them
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  Speaker 2: go up and speak over and over again, say just
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  Speaker 2: do their their rehearsed lines like those things, and everyone's
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  Speaker 2: trying to kind of get know.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone's like, you're do we even listen to my question?
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  Speaker 1: Like you're saying, what's happening in the Dow Jones we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about victims of sexual violence? Like what is did
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  Speaker 1: you even hear us?
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  Speaker 2: And you've gone one to eighty on this topic?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: It's just insanity.
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  Speaker 1: It's insanity. Let's do a little sidebar. So this is
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  Speaker 1: our segment where we talk a little bit about sort
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  Speaker 1: of like what's happening in our week right now, just
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  Speaker 1: what I talked a bit about what's going on in court, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: with the Afghan families that I'm working with. But it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't have to be whatever you want to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: What's happening, what's happening in your life.
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  Speaker 2: I would say the biggest thing, and this is very
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  Speaker 2: common in this it speaks to how much I'm addicted
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  Speaker 2: to TikTok, but then also the kind of what feels
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  Speaker 2: like a little bit of relief in all of this,
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  Speaker 2: like absolute tsunami horror, and it is that the Bad
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  Speaker 2: Bunny Show. And then these subsequent families watching the show,
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  Speaker 2: so it's their reaction shop for nine minutes, I've watched
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  Speaker 2: at least five differ diferent families for the entire show,
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  Speaker 2: just them watching the show, and it is.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's cool. That hasn't hit my feet at all.
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  Speaker 2: It's just like so it's they're so excited, they keep
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  Speaker 2: recognizing the references. They know exactly what's going on. So
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  Speaker 2: then you're having this like secondary experience of like, I
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  Speaker 2: just enjoyed the fact that I knew how hard it
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  Speaker 2: would be to do that follow shot the entire time,
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  Speaker 2: and that the grass.
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  Speaker 1: Was moving like a producer liter like, how did they
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  Speaker 1: pull this off?
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  Speaker 2: I meanwhile, they're like the last Puerto Rican social club
• 5:30
  Speaker 2: in New York City. There is the one who owns
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  Speaker 2: it called the Club.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, as a New Yorker, I felt very
• 5:37
  Speaker 1: I had this sort of fomo where I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I've never been to that taco stand, and now I
• 5:43
  Speaker 1: never will be able to get in because it's going
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  Speaker 1: to be packed. Yes, it's going to be backed. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and every time I go. But I just I loved
• 5:51
  Speaker 1: the I love spectacle. I love like the spectacle of it.
• 5:55
  Speaker 1: Melissa and I talked a bit about Bad Bunny and
• 5:58
  Speaker 1: in the lead up to the boat the super and
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  Speaker 1: what we were excited for. And I don't watch the
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  Speaker 1: super Bowl at all. Yeah, but I watched the halftime show.
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  Speaker 1: I did watch. It was really fun.
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  Speaker 2: It was so good. I mean I was worried because
• 6:11
  Speaker 2: Kendrick Lamar show was really unbelievable. So I was like, well,
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  Speaker 2: how can they do like how can they do it?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? And Trump was like, We're going to have our
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  Speaker 1: like alternate, our alt kid rock protest show and.
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  Speaker 2: And and it had ten thousand viewers.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. And there's a video of Trump's party for the
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  Speaker 1: super Bowl where they had a huge screen with Bad
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  Speaker 1: Bunny playing. So you didn't even watch his own protest show.
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  Speaker 1: He was watching the Bad Bunny Show.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's amazing. Also, it's that kind of thing
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  Speaker 2: where I think they did it. They slipped it in
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  Speaker 2: so perfectly. It was just like suddenly it was starting
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  Speaker 2: and you were like, it was like you were watching
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  Speaker 2: a movie. Yes, so you couldn't really like or not
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  Speaker 2: that you couldn't, but like it was hard to tune
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  Speaker 2: out because you were suddenly like, well, what's this a commercial?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, a movie?
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  Speaker 2: Another TV show, And then you're in it and it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't matter what language you speak, because you get exactly
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  Speaker 2: what's happening.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and now okay, so my feet is trying to
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  Speaker 1: force Emily in Paris down my throat. Fifth fucking season
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  Speaker 1: of Emily in Paris? What kind of visa is she gone?
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  Speaker 2: She bought the apartment? What's happening?
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  Speaker 1: Can you buy an apartment in Paris? You're an American
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  Speaker 1: citizen who's sponsoring your visa?
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  Speaker 2: Is Emily still an assistant or did she get like
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  Speaker 2: four promotions?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, she's got the fierce wardrobe. Deport Emily in Paris.
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  Speaker 1: That's the one person who should be deported right now.
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  Speaker 2: Get her out.
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  Speaker 1: I can handle it. But yes, thank you for hosting
• 7:39
  Speaker 1: me in La I love it here. It's so beautiful.
• 7:41
  Speaker 2: We're so happy to have you is that weather as
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  Speaker 2: crazy as it sound? Now, you grow that this weather
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  Speaker 2: right this weather right now is so bad. I'm wearing eggs,
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  Speaker 2: like I'm freeze.
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  Speaker 1: This is freezing. Okay. So I was at the hotel
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  Speaker 1: pool this morning before I had to go to court.
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  Speaker 1: That is how cold it is in New York. I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: if there's a window of light, I'm standing in it
• 8:01
  Speaker 1: like a cat. Like if there's a sliver of light,
• 8:04
  Speaker 1: I'm taking it up.
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  Speaker 2: So is it still snowing?
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  Speaker 1: It is unbelievable. It had snowed. It snowed a month ago,
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  Speaker 1: and then it was a deep freeze to sub zero temperatures.
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  Speaker 1: So the snow was beautiful for a couple hours and
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  Speaker 1: then became a solid fucking rock. So if you fall,
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  Speaker 1: it's like backbreaking it is. People are getting jackhammers to
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  Speaker 1: get their cars out. There are these guys going around
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  Speaker 1: New York with jackhammers, hammering ice to get cars out
• 8:32
  Speaker 1: because it's.
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  Speaker 2: Not calm, Like that doesn't happen every year.
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  Speaker 1: Never happened. I don't think I've ever remembered. I've been
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  Speaker 1: in New York almost my whole life, and I've never
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  Speaker 1: seen this before. It's really unbelievable. You know, dogs piss
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  Speaker 1: on it and then it freezes, so it's just like
• 8:45
  Speaker 1: a museum of like dog piss and shit everywhere. It
• 8:49
  Speaker 1: is disgusting. It's actually, don't go to.
• 8:52
  Speaker 2: New York right now, like hanging an amber like an
• 8:55
  Speaker 2: old dragonfly Jurassic Park. You know what? That makes sense
• 9:01
  Speaker 2: now because I saw a video and I thought it
• 9:03
  Speaker 2: was just like random people fall down video, but it
• 9:06
  Speaker 2: was a guy who was on a very slight incline
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  Speaker 2: down by.
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  Speaker 1: So it looks like, oh, well, he's never heard from again, right.
• 9:13
  Speaker 2: Because it looked like they walked into a skate park
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  Speaker 2: that froze and then he slid down a thing and
• 9:18
  Speaker 2: he literally couldn't stand and he couldn't make any movement
• 9:22
  Speaker 2: out and his girlfriend's laughing and filming him.
• 9:24
  Speaker 1: That would be me. I'm that girlfriend. Na.
• 9:27
  Speaker 2: He's like, baby, help me, please, you gotta get and
• 9:29
  Speaker 2: she's like, no, what are you talking about?
• 9:31
  Speaker 1: I tell Brad, if you're gonna fall down, it better
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  Speaker 1: be memable content, and I better be filming.
• 9:36
  Speaker 2: And it kind of always is memeable content because yeah, truly,
• 9:39
  Speaker 2: there's nothing fun you.
• 9:40
  Speaker 1: Let's live stream his funeral, all right, let's take a break.
• 9:47
  Speaker 1: So this is your algorithm is show, and we're going
• 9:49
  Speaker 1: to get into a quick dive into what's happening in
• 9:51
  Speaker 1: our algorithms. I've seen a couple big headlines hitting and
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: again we're recording a week out, so these things will
• 9:58
  Speaker 1: update and I'll try and maybe I'll do drop in
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  Speaker 1: if things changed drastically. But Nancy Guthrie updates Savannah Guthrie's mother.
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: So I am late to the game. I missed a
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: lot of this. Have you been following it all?
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  Speaker 2: Not at all? And people were talking to me about
• 10:13
  Speaker 2: it on Super Bowl Sunday as if we had been
• 10:15
  Speaker 2: watching it side by side the entire time. So I
• 10:18
  Speaker 2: was like, I just pretended like I knew what they
• 10:20
  Speaker 2: were talking about. But I was like, it's starting to
• 10:23
  Speaker 2: sound like the most serious word salad is the world.
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was like wait, and then I'm now
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: I'm googling and I'm trying to figure out. So we
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: did a little research. Her eighty four year old mother
• 10:32
  Speaker 1: has been missing since January thirty. First, it's February twelfth now,
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: so that's like a couple of weeks.
• 10:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: FBI released nest footage of a man in a ski mask.
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: I saw it. It's really spooky. It's really scary.
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: It's so crazy that every horror like horrifying thing is
• 10:47
  Speaker 2: now caught on film.
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it's very Those nest cameras are really even
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: just the guy stealing the Amazon packages off everyone's.
• 10:55
  Speaker 2: Porch is chilling.
• 10:57
  Speaker 1: It's chilling, but we don't chop it down is on anymore,
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: righte guys, because yeah, we can't support Bezos after he
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: please now obliterated WAPO. TMZ has actually been really breaking
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: a lot of this because they're getting these letters sent
• 11:11
  Speaker 1: to them.
• 11:11
  Speaker 2: They're involved, they're involved.
• 11:13
  Speaker 1: And they're just like passing them to the FBI. So
• 11:16
  Speaker 1: it's really interesting. I mean, TMZ to me was always
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: a gossip brag. It was always celebrity gossip, what's happening
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: in the news. But they arrested someone the other night
• 11:26
  Speaker 1: and then he was released a few hours later. There
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: have been reports of activity in someone's bitcoin account. I mean,
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: it's just really spooky.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like, can I put a theory on the table, yes,
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  Speaker 2: do it? And this is a theory. I hope I
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: hope this woman is safe. Yeah, is there a possibility
• 11:45
  Speaker 2: TMZ planned all of this? Because no one cares about
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: celebrity gossip anymore. Whoa, No one cares about that kind
• 11:54
  Speaker 2: of what used to really distract and occupy us. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: it can't match anymore, so the Lindsay Lohan, I'm drunk
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: outside of a restaurant, guys out.
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  Speaker 1: Of our Yeah, no one cares, No one cares, and
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: their viewership is down. I heard a conspiracy theory that
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: Savannah Guthrie had interviewed all these Epstein oh yeah victims,
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  Speaker 1: which I didn't know about, and now when I google it,
• 12:17
  Speaker 1: I can't find anything about Savannah Guthrie interviewing Epstein victims
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  Speaker 1: because the whole feed is covered in her mom's abduction.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I've actually dealt with some hostage situations before. There's oftentimes
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: I get, Yeah, I get calls from people they had
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  Speaker 1: a family member at the border who's being held by
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: the coyotes, the people who traffic people across the border
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: and the cartel. The cartel will hold them and say
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: wires ten thousand dollars or we're going to be head
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: your family member, and it's like their uncle. So I've
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: had to deal with some hostage situations before. But usually
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: what happens is when someone's held hostage, you get the
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: demand pretty quickly. So whenever I've had to deal with it,
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: we get a demand immediately. They say I'm holding them
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: hostage and this is what I want, and we're going
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: to kill them if you don't give us the money.
• 13:10
  Speaker 1: And I will say usually when those clients call me,
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: I say, they will kill them, like that is something
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: that they do. They have no problem doing it. But
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: there's no demands that are at least being released by
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: the FBI on Samanna gu three.
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: So just this vague kidnapping. Yeah, this blooming, kind.
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: Of ominous, threatening guy in a sche mask. And now
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: we're just kind of getting these letters to TMC that
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: are being passed to the FBI. It's been a weird week.
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: Did you see they opened Kurt Cobain's suicide. Okay, so
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: this is like breaking news for the nineties.
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: I thought you were going to say the thing of
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: somebody was talking about that. They're talking about that there's aliens.
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: They confirm there's aliens in.
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: The end, Well, there are so Roth Hernandez in here
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: to tell us we got that one. No, But he
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: died in nineteen eighty four at age twenty seven, and
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: at the time it was world to suicide and it
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: was huge, I mean fans across the world.
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: I mean I remember that day.
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: You remember that day?
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. We were in Golden Apple Comics, me and
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: Brian Posain, my friend and some They said it over
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: the radio. It was the nineties, so the Trestrow radio
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: was playing and the DJ came on and was like
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: kurk coo Bane is dead at twenty seven and then
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: we just were like eugh, and we just left and
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: walked up or drove up to our friend's house and
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: everybody met at one friend's house and we turned on
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: MTV and then just watched like everything made it was
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: the world, yeah, because he was. They were gigantic.
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: It was devastating to you personally.
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: It was we loved them, I mean that whole like
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: because it was Pacific Northwest and I'm from northern California,
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: so it was that kind of like the boys that
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: made it big wow. And they were always so like
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: I've got an old shirt on and you know, I
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: like feminism, Like it was very hopeful.
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: And their lyrics have survived like the time, oh yeah, right,
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: like they're still very relevant and meaningful now. I think
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: about that with TLC as well, like I do, Like
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: I listened to their songs and I'm like, this slaps
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: this still hits hard. Yes, but I wanted to talk
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: to you about this. Two days ago, a peer reviewed
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: paper presented ten points of evidence suggesting Cobain was confronted
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: by one or more assailants rather than a suicide. Discrepancies
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: they noted include the autopsy report, blood splatter, ballistics, body placement,
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: capped syringes, and a suicide note. So they did a
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: full breakdown. The investigator said, the original autopsy report shows
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: organ damage associated with oxygen deprivation. The quote is the
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: necrosis of the brain and liver happen in an overdose,
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: it doesn't happen in a shotgun death. So he allegedly
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: committed suicide by a shotgun. But with new DNA evidence,
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: with new medical techniques, they assess it again and it
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: looks like there is potential foul play in this case. Yeah,
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: which is crazy. It's over twenty years later. Police said
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: he injected himself with ten times the normal amount even
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: a heavy heroin user would have used.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: He was a heavy heroin user, but ten times, but
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  Speaker 2: ten times what he would.
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  Speaker 1: Use, and so I'm I guess I'm curious, and CJ
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  Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong. He injected ten times the
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: heroine and then shot himself with the shotgun. That seems sucks, CJ.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: Can we get the answer on that, because we're not sure.
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what the original finding was was that he
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: took so much heroin and then decided to kill himself afterwards.
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: But what they're saying now in this new report is
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: that that would have been impossible if he got through
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: three of those needles, that he would have even been
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: able to lift the shotgun.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: It's so that's I'm like, I kind of can't process
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: this as it's happening, so I like keep going like, wait what,
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: it's all surreal?
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: Also wait what?
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: But also how did we miss this or who was
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: keeping it under wraps?
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: This?
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, everything's coming out.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: Yes, you know who was who investigated this? Because the
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: quote is where's the quote? This investigator says, we're supposed
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: to believe he capped the needles and put everything back
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: in order after shooting up three times, because that's what
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: someone does while they're dying. Suicides are messy, and this
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: was a very clean scene.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: Now we've all seen. I haven't seen anybody shoot up
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: in real life, but in every movie you never see
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: somebody shoot up all this stuff and then go like
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: this and put the cap back on.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: It's not a get ready with me, it's a for
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: a haul, makeup tatorio, get back on. You're enjoying the high, you.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Immediately start enjoying that high, and cleaning is not involved.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: In most headgunshot dets blood is often drawn into the airways,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: but his autopsy didn't mention that spooky this is going
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: to be. We're going to see something happen here. I
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: feel like we're going to get some sort of breaking news.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: But the new and investigators are not asking for arrest.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: They're just looking at the evidence. So there's no actual
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: suspect here. But I think CJ correctman if I'm wrong.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: They talked to the police who investigated this, and the
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: police were like, it's closed. We did we did the investigation,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: we ruled it a suicide. It's over.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: So folded up in his pocket was a receipt for
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: the shotgun and a suicide note, which was all about
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: how he hates being a celebrity, he hates being in
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: a band, but the only part about suicide was in
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: a different handwriting at the bottom, in someone else's.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: Handwriting, So it honestly sounds like fargo of hit men.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: They were there like, uh, here's what put the receipt
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: in his pocket? Like none of that.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: It's the guy's from home alone.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Coming in and shoving receipts and what's the fun. It's
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: so hacky.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and wait, but now I'm like mad at myself
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: and society. How did we accept this? How did we
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: miss this?
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: We were we were living off the fat of the
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: land in the nineties. Nobody wanted to look at anything.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: We were just all like everybody be quiet, especially the
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: white privileged few, who was like, I pay three fifty
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: and a month for rent. I will not acknowledge anything
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: else happening in this world.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: So it was very much like, oh, what we're being
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: told is the truth? Yes, and wow, okay.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: You have a piece of that. When when you're being
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: lied to and you're like, well okay.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, works for me, they're like, why would the police
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: light to us right? Yeah, okay, okay, cool.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: That's nothing I can even broach right now, because yeah, I.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Have to warn we'll have to cover drop guns on
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: a different episode. We don't have time.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: We'll have to cover receipt as facts, receipt pocketed receipts
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: as indelible facts and evidence in court.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: A shotgun receipt. Fold it up. That sounds so perfect.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Someone who's done that much heroin to fold it up. Yeah,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: for taxes, origami, the old Yeah, what is the Yeah?
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: So stupid, there's there's people here. It was just like
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: we've known this for twenty.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Five I know someone is yelling into their at third
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: while they're driving down the freeway.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Watch a fucking documentary like Michael, go ahead, well now
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: we know.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Now we know, and think, Yeah, thank you to the
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: investigators for looking into this. I mean I hope they
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: I hope they reopen it.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: I'm fascinated because that all that sounds so insane and stupid.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: There's no way that's not real.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Cap On the heroin needle is pretty I wish someone
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: if you just told me that, I wouldn't have gone
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: along with it all this time.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: No, and yeah, I'm pretty skeptical. I don't think I'm
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: like a conspiracy theorist.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Like to think, but now we all are.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: I do think Sylvia Brown was actually psychic. That is
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: my hot take.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Something near water, I see drown something near water.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Honey, the land, Honey of the land. And honestly, I'm like, yeah, honey,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: the land. That's true.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: It is true, it's the land. If you get a
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: noun in there, you just get a really affirm you
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: feel strong about a noun and throw it at somebody,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: they'll have to agree.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: That is the whole premise of mad libs. And you
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: just get a noun in there, you're good.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just be like the land. Am I right? And
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: people are like, yes, I'm spiritual too.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: We're getting we're getting reports of nouns in the.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Studio that is mind blowing.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy? I know I really broke you. I'm sorry.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: I really came in and said please sit down.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: At one point I was like stop thinking you're on
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: a podcast on video right now, because I was like,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: wait a second, if that then this because.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: I know we're living together, Karen and I are getting
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: dinner later and we're going to do a full We're.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Gonna do a full, beautiful mind.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: I want to be that that meme of that guy
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: where it's like a corkboard and he's circling stuff and
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: he looks like crazy, I can't believe this.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what else is coming? Wait, it's so much the handle?
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: What else is coming? Martha Kelly?
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Our guests publican woman makeup filter is coming to save us.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: All forehead corner our next segment. So we have an
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: extra special guest in the studio today, Martha Kelly. Let's
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: bring her in. Let's she's on wires. We're going to
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: have her lower down.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Oh nice, good, like a little angel.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Well, welcome back to Brief Recess. We are here with
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: our extra special guest. This is Martha Kelly. Welcome, may
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Welcome to your ears. Martha Kelly, thank you for joining us.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: We were just talking about your neils.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: Thank you for beautiful. They are press on.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: This is your camera, show them.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: These guys are press on because underneath is a is
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: an absolute massacre of stubs.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: So, and how long were you a hand model?
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: For?
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: About forty five years us, if you don't mind, and
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: I mean now, what's in now is crooked fingers, and
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: which is lucky for me because I runs in my
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: family that your your hands turned into crooked branches as
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: you get older. Yeah, yeah, and so I'm like we're
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: new market.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for hand modeling. The kids love it.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: They love everything about getting older kind of a nart.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Those are good press on nails though, because sometimes when
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: those are they've got a good shape and size to them.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Because when I do press on nails, I have to
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: get like women's extra large toenails, like the big toe
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: fits on my pinky. Really, because I'm just a giant
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: man hands, I can't get a big enough press on. So, yeah,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: you know it's about what I'm getting the what is
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: it the Sally Henson. Yeah, press on toenail. That's when
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: you know it's Halloween in my house.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Well there's a niche in the market.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Then, yeah, there is.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you have some nice man hand.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Press on especially as gender is becoming more and more
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: fluid spectrum is gender like, we need need representation matters,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: We need press on nails that fit all hands. Yeah,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: I've always that.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: I absolutely support toenail sized press on nails for people
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: with larger hands, and I would support if they would
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: make shorter press ons for people uh with uh with
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: tiny nail beds where everything looks look how long those are.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: That's not that's not good for me. I'm not a.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: No, I think I think it's giving Northern New Jersey.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: You have more secretary's life, so you need, like we
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: need to be able to type. You need to be
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: able to.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Answer podcast prolific type is hell book on the show. Well,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: thank you for joining us, Martha. I'm just so thrilled
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: to chat with you. You and I have been TikTok
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: besties for a long time. Yes, I followed you on
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: the socials. We've become friends that way.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Thought it would just be fun to chat with you.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: You.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: I've seen you everywhere. I've heard your voice everywhere. I
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: just was excited when I was coming to LA, I
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: was like, can we get Martha on the show? And
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Karen and you go way back?
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: We do go way back. We go back farther than
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Karen even knows, because I was a fan of hers
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: before we ever met. Oh yeah, you mean my grammar
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: school stuff, the stuff that you were doing in fifth grade.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: No one was doing that right. Yeah.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: I was on the playground. I was the girl who
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: would bully and it was groundbreaking and it was fresh,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: it was exciting.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Listen. Representation matters. Yeah, that is so important. You know,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: we need more girl bullies. Yeah, like we need it.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing. I knew of Martha Kelly when I
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: started stand up, but I didn't know how good you
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: were at stand up until I saw you in La
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: do a set, and I thought, I just you were
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: friends with all the same people I was friends with,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: So I was like, just probably a regular old stand
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: up And then when you see Martha Kelly go to
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: a comedy club and rip those people and new you
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: will not believe your eyes and ears.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: She's truly one of the greatest middle aged woman destroys Heckler.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: It's like it's my YouTube channel.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: You've seen her videos she's done at a time.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: So you came through the stand up comedy scene in Austin, Texas, right, Well.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: I started in LA and then at two years I
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: decided it wasn't fair that I wasn't rich and famous
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: yet in La, so I said, to hell with you guys,
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: I'm moving to Austin, and I moved there and did
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: stand up, which was great because you can get more
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: stage time and smaller especially Austin in two thousand and
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: I moved in January two thousand, so you could get
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: a ton of stage time with no industry people seeing
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: you mess up. And also like the level of acceptance
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: for alcoholism. There is a lot better than here. And
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: I'm an alcoholic so I've been sober a long time now,
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: but when i want those like this, I can drink
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: every night with all these Austin comics and improv people.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: And if you're not the one punching the weight staff,
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: you're like, you don't have a problem, you don't have
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: a problem.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like that in the South. I went to
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: school in New Orleans and it was very supportive of
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: drinking problems. Yeah, yeah, they're really.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: Can't you drive through places and get hard strengths?
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: And the law in New Orleans This is a legal podcast,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: so let me just do a quick legal shout out.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: The law new Orleans is that if you get the
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: dakri drive through and you get pulled over, as long
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: as the it's a it's a styrofoam cup with a
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: plastic lid, and as long as the straw isn't in it,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: it's considered a closed container for dewee purposes.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: That is really wild. It's really wild in Louisiana.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: And they also sell bags of dakri where it's like
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: a slushy machine, and it's just a basically a plastic
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: shopping bag that you can just kind of drop a
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: straw into.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: That is wild.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great. I mean, if you could go back
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: in time to went before you were sober, it would
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: have been a great city for you. Would have done
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: numbers there.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Marc, you and I would have gotten our own
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: bags and then sat on the couch and then gotten drunk.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: With plastic Ralph's bags full of dakers.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Ralph's oh no.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: And maybe some camel camel whites, camel white on the couch.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you both were smoking.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: I still think if I ever found out that I
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: had a terminal illness, I would start smoking again.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Why not? What about the terminal illness of reality?
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: How bad?
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Just get in there.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: I'm paranoid about the only I only know two people
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: this happened to, But I'm paranoid that it's a phenomenon
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: where people who quit smoking for a long time and
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: then started again very quickly got terminal lung cancer. One
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: was my friend's dad and one was was it Peter Jennings.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: It was one of the popular news guys and he
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: started smoking on nine to eleven, and then I think
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: it was like just a couple of years later he
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: died of lung cancer. So I think of like I
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: think of my lungs hiding potential lung cancer going if
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: you ever give us a chance to break out here like.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Those cicadas that sleep for like seven years. Oh yes, yeah,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: it's like that. I do think about cigarettes all the time.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: They're great, real I don't want to you know what.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: They're great.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: When I was in my twenties, sometimes I would wake
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: up in the morning, I'd be super hungover and immediately
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: light a cigarette because I was trying to be as
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: like what I thought was like edgy as possible. Yeah,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: but no one was there, Like.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: You were alone.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: You're trying to prove to yourself camera life, like what
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: are you like?
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: What?
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Who was it for? I don't know what I was doing.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: It's so embarrassing.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're looking and now you're looking back
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: and you're like, girl, what were you doing? Girl?
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: Who are you showing off for?
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: No one's in the room.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: I would do that the Camera of Life smoking while
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: driving around Long Island. That was my thing, and we
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: would smoke. Disgusting they weren't even like good ones. It
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: was like, yeah, menthol Capri.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, did you ever smoke Capris?
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Whatever we could get our hands on because we were
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: like fifteen.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: So it is that one addiction where it's like my husband,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: it's like, you're not allowed ever, even if you're drunk,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: no matter, no matter what, it's the one thing. Yeah,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: you're not allowed to touch them again because it is
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: you will pick it up instantly.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: I have to say, though, the cigarettes and cloves that
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: we smoked as teenagers are the best you'll ever smoke.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Is when you're I don't want teenagers to start smoking,
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: but if you do, those are the most enjoyable cigarettes
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: you're ever going to smoke.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's rebellion just in that three minutes. You're just
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: like fucking mom, dad.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Wild.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: They were big in the eighties, which is when I
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: was a teen, and they were they were lung.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Burning, laced with flavors.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: And I told you this story. I think when my
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: mom found clothes in my pocket because of course I
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: was too stupid to hide them. I left them in
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: my jeans pocket after like going to a concert or something,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: and all because my mom was a psychiatric nurse, so
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: she had a lot of tricks, and she came and
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: just threw them on my desk and goes, I mean,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: you can smoke those if you want to, but they
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: have little shards of glass and them that rip up
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: your lungs. And then she walked away.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: And it was they put fiberglass in them. So I
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: don't know if that was like a legend.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Absolutely it was a lie that parents told their kids.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: But then I was just like, oh my, and then
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: you're like, oh yeah, you can feel it.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: Because and then you form a glass vase in your
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: lungs from the close cigarettes, and how lovely.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: A beautiful red rose, and the beast comes and turns.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: Into a brin.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: And that's how morano glasses made. So we're seeing a
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: lot of you lately. We've got four Head Corner. We've
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: got Republican.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Women, makeup, filter, make up.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Pilter, my favorite, your cat, Gary, Gary. We've got Euphoria.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Coming up in April beautiful.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: And you've become a meme from that one line in Euphoria,
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: which is wild because that day my head was swollen
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: because I had had my.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: Hair colored dark the day before, and they did it
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: twice because the first time it wasn't dark enough. So
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: when I saw that that pre trailer come out with
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: just that me in the window with my head, I
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: was like, that can't that can't be what my head
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: really looks like. Please God, please don't. And then I
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: looked up you know the monster guy from the Goonies. Yeah,
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: that's what to me that I put those pictures side
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: by side or your head your faces too, I was.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Like, was swollen from getting your hair color because.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: They lost Why were your eyes on even?
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Why did I only have one sprig of hair coming
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: up out of a bald head.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: And you grew three feet?
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: But okay, yeah, I mean and I lost a couple
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: of teeth.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Beautiful transformation.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was well because I had an allergic reaction
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: because they left it on for like an hour and
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: a half. I mean they did like two forty five
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: minute cycles of hard, hard Look your hair.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Dye, I mean your hair is not that light?
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: No, but it had been for a while. For several years.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: I thought I was a person who wanted light hair,
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: but then once I got it dark again, I was like, well,
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: my natural color is dark, and the light hair looked
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: always looked a little weird on me. But you know what,
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: we live and we learn.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: It takes time to get your own personal style together. Yeah,
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: many decades for me sometimes.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, to just figure out how you want to
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: express yourself. Sometimes it's press on nails.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: Sometimes it's a gigantic head. Sometimes it's a swollen head
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: on a just on a TV show that millions.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Of kids watch.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: And not only that, but it'll be the one clip
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: that gets released for the entire preview eating up to
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: the show. I just keep seeing that there's show that
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: hasn't aired in five years, and this is the one
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: window into the show that we get. For those fans
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: who've been waiting five years. It's your swollen.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Heads so big, that big old goonies guys starting that's
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: not true, Martha, and.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Those people that have been waiting love you. Those fans
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: love you.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: I'm startled by gen being nice to me. I thought
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: they would hate me because the character is so mean
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: to Zendaya. And also, I just expect, as you, I guess,
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: as you get older as I have, I always expect
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: the younger generations to be like you, old battle axe,
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: you know, but they're really nice. I think generations have
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: gotten progressively nicer since jen X, which is what I am.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: I think they were like, that's enough trauma for everybody.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: We're gonna ye head in the other direction. It's not
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: working out.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: And also I don't see your characters being like mean, true,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: I think you yeah, I guess yeah, this is a
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: drug dealer, this is a danger.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: I will say your performance. And I did not know you.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: I didn't even have TikTok when I first saw you
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: on the show. So this is like, you know, this
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: was the dark ages really like we were slab and
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Chisel still, like this was back analog, Like yeah, so
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: my husband and I like talked about you and your
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: performance as Stranger. I really did not know you at all.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: No one knew me on the internet, and we were like,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: that was the scariest performance, portrayal, casting writing. It really
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: was spooky dookie.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: Well I'm glad. I'm glad it was spooky dookie because
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: that is my that's my school of acting. It's like
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: there's method acting. And then if I could remember a
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: single acting teacher's name, this would have been a funny bit.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: And then the third thing would be a spooky.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: I can't really trying to go through my files for
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: you and jump in.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: I could sella somebody Stella Adler method acting.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: There are a movement one, there's like a movement one.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's somebody's last name.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Good thing. None of us are actors, and yeah, thank god,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: When I'm not an actor, I can't remember a goddamn
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: line for a word or anything. I can't do it. Yeah.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: I do have a hard time with.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: That, but it's only critical to your job.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just that's the one thing that I buckle
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: down and force myself to memorize my lines because it's
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: the only thing that I can ever confidently bring to
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: an acting job is well, I came on time and
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: I know my lines. Beyond that, it's on you. You
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: hired me.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: What are your tricks of memorizing do you have any? Well?
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: First, I just read it over and over again, and
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: it starts to sync in like when you listen to
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: a song over and over but you're not trying to
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: memorize the lyrics. And then I just start remembering it naturally.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: And then I practice going through line by line without
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: looking at the script. But the other other thing that
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: I'm really lucky is that I don't ever have long monologues, Like,
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: I've never had a part where I had to memorize
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: tons of lines. And let's keep it that.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Way, keep it sure, just drop in character.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: It's such a lucky thing to be a character actor
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: because you don't you never have the pressure of carrying
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: a show and you don't have to memorize sons of lines.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: It is the best gig. You get to come in,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: yeah for what a couple of days a week, maybe, Yeah,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: blow everyone away with being that little that little punchy
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: smoky dookie, spooky dookie. You get to just kind of
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: breathe a little life into the scene, into the show,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: and then you're home by six.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It's fun and it's I always think about how
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: after the first season of Three's Company, the Ropers got
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: their own spin off, and I always think about, like
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: that is a cautionary tale for character actors.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: We're always saying that it was Ropers are cautionary tale
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: all the time.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: It wasn't good.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: It got I think it got canceled after one season,
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: and I don't know if it even lasted that season,
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: And so I I've always felt like, yes, of course
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: as a comedian. When I started out, I was like,
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: I want to be like Roseanne or Jenning geroffalo like
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: I want to just skyrocket to the top. And then yes, that.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Was your thought. You're like, I want to be a
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: famous smoke.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: One of the great smokers.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: Let me get enough money to where I can smoke
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: and drink all day and not have to worry about brat.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Do you remember looking at the cartons of cigarettes and
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: being like, who could possibly afford that? I remember that
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: thought of being like, oh no, I'm on a case
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: by case basis here, like where if I could buy
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: the three pack, I would, but we're not in Europe,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: like I'm saving up for that full pack of cigarettes.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: Although, Michael, I have to tell you, because you weren't
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: born at this time, there was a time when cigarettes
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: went up to one dollar a pack and we were scandalized.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: So by the time you were smoking why burning down buildings,
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: you could still get them from vending MISSI Jeans, And
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: I think when I was an early teen you could
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: get them for like seventy five cents, and then they
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: went up to a dollar and then but I think
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: by the time you started smoking, they were probably already
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: like ten bucks a pack.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: They were four. Okay, yeah, I'm completely bald, so I
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: am a little older that, so please be respected. Please
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: respect that. We talked a lot about your hair this
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: whole episode, and it's been really I'm sorry, it's been
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: really inconsiderate. I have to wear wigs, I have to
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: wear a full lace front, and snatched it off you
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: in the first segment, so I do feel like, yeah,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: I'm a lot older. And we used to go to
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: the Native American drive through cigarette on the reservation.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: Oh really it was.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: I grew up on Long Island, so there were Native
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: American reservations and you could buy cheaper cigarettes and it
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: was four dollars a pack. That was Those were the
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: days we.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Had things called And I think there's one here in
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: LA like cigarette stores. Yeah, we're literally they're just a
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: little it was just.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: A hole in the wall whatever. Cigarettes.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Oh it's so funny. It's like, I think the one
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: in Padlum is called discount cigarettes. But every time I
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: drive by, I'm like, stay stroll.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: That's the land of the Free and the home of
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: the brave right there. One of the last the fruited plane. Well,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: you're also in Fallout, Do you want to tell us
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: a little bit about.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: That, John jpm season two, Yes, you've got a really
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: huge role.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: I mean Billboard's skydiving. It's lowered on wires. We said earlier.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: I did get to do a stunt, but I didn't
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: do the falling down part. I got to do the
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: beginning part where the congresswoman gets pushed down the stairs,
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: the steps of the building that they're outside protesting. But
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: these two extremely cute stunt guys held on to me.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: So they're playing the guards who pushed me down.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: How cute? Sorry, could you just describe them a little like.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: A dream body?
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Cute?
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: One of them I worked with before.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: His name just you have a long relationship with him.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: I hadn't seen him since twenty sixteen, and I was
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: so happy to see him. And it's like and the
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: other one I think might have been a little man's
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: rights activist vibe.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: However, because he actually pushed you down the stairs.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: He pushed me down some stairs before the camera was rolling,
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: it's wrong.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: I think it's wrong. Michael might feel Michael might disagree,
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: but I think that's wrong.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: He he But it's like firemen were.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Where they push you down the stairs where they push.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: You down, they go. Get out of the way of
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: this fire, ma'am.
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: It's not about you start making it about you.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: We're deep stairs boots. We could do it. We could
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: do ue. You're not supposed to owe her before you're
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: going to go to rakers. I think that's the other
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: vocal stem we could do for euphoria. I don't know
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: if you have a way to contact them, but we
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: could probably.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: Just drop them a line.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Drop the line type with your nails.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: Click clocking. I do think of your voice in my
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: head saying Diva every day when I'm doing something that
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: I'm messing up, I'm like Diva just the.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Water everywhere people people reach out to me and they
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: say that they talk to their pets that way.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: When the dog is, you know, eating ship, they're like, diepo,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: you're not supposed to do that. Eat a pool.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: Thank God, that's the one one thing my crazy dog
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: doesn't do. Yeah, because some things do like to thank God.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: I would I would have to put her down. I
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: would never, just would never.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Because last week we had Peta on the show, we
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: had a spokesperson forst Me to come out and talk
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: to us. About Vintage first, so I know it was
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: actually great. Okay, I loved it. It's actually it dropped
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: the day we're recording, so today I really loved it.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: It was fun Peter billboards that were like they drew
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: animals but with really sexy human bodies. Yeah, yeah, so weird.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just know. I walked past a PETA office
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: one time somewhere in LA and there were grewsome color
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: photos on the window of the office and I said,
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: I'm so sorry. I'll never be joining PETA if you
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: have to look at that stuff.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, kat we asked her about that. We were like what.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: She was like, yeah, we have to look at it
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: all the time.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: I can't.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: I couldn't, And I can't follow them on Instagram either,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: because I'm like, this is going to keep coming up
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: on my feet. I don't want to see that.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: I do like, I donate to the Humane Society, and
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: specifically the Nebraska one. What's the famous city in Nebraska, Omaha, Omaha.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: They have a shelter there and they have a great
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: social media account, so I started donating to them.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: You've got a little rescue pets at home.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, my two cats came from a shelter in Austin,
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: and then Macy came from a shelter in called One Park,
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: which is temporarily closed because everybody got distemper, which is why.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: The pets are the people who worked there, the people.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: No, the pets, all the dogs. Yeah wow, So and
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: raccoons carry it. So we had a big fat raccoon,
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: which is my favorite kind, on the back fence a
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: couple of weeks ago, and I was terrified of my dog.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: She was trying to get it, and like, oh, yeah,
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: they carry distemper and it's like a tragic So I'm
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: just bringing everybody down for no reason, but.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: It needs to be discussed.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a scary. So but I got her there
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: in two days before Christmas in twenty twenty three. It
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: was heartbroken about losing my longtime dog Rosie, and then
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: met Macy and like, yeah, well at first I was
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: scared of her. She's quite big and she was just
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: silently staring, sitting in her kennels, daring and sometimes dogs
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: are very still before they snap. Yeah, so when I
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: approached her, I say.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: That about you. They did crap me for.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Thee You're going to snap.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: This whole time we actually we had like a full
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: meeting before I'm serious. The producers pulled me aside and
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: they were like, she does slash out, so like, please
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: make her over. We're going to see you across the
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: table from she cobbles people up. But yeah, she were
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: afraid she was going to snap at you. Yeah, she's
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: and you're also really tall. You're like six four six.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: I'm actually seven feet tall. A lot of people don't
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: know that because it isn't true, but but I am.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: And I was scared, and I approached her and I
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: said are you Is this a friendly stare or what
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: are you doing? And I got close and she didn't growl,
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: so and she put her nose up, so I petted
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: her and then I was like, she's sweet. She's way
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: too big for me. And she's a shepherd husky mix.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: Oh that's cute, really big, She's really she's really sweet,
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: but a giant, a gentle giant. But I walked I
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: walked away. I was like, okay, maybe, but she's really
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: too big. And when I walked away, she started whining.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: So I went back and yeah, and petted her more
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: and then said, okay, you're on the short list, and
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: the only other dog that I felt the connection to.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Not the Pygmy girl.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: There was a froggy looking little bulldog mix just sitting
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: in her a little kennel, and I wanted her, but
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: my counts would bully a small dog, so I got Macy.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: I mean it's so hard to go to the pound though,
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: and walk around looking at dogs. Yeah, with depression, it's
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: the worst thing in the world. Yeah, Luckily that that shelter.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: Why I love them so much is because they they
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: had a lot, They have a lot of adoption events.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: They were having one that day and there were a
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: bunch of empty kennels because dogs had gotten adopted. And
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: then they don't try to.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Can I do something insane?
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, are you tuxting Donald Trump?
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Buddy?
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Listen, buddy.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Sorry, that's like real life immigration law right there. No important,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Sometime yeah, it's other lawyers sometimes call me
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: and they're like, and it's about someone who's like getting deported.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: So I just have to like be available. Yes, you
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: can happen. I'm sorry.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: I'm so glad that you do that. Michael. I admire
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: what you do.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Thank you. I will say we were going to talk
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: about this.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: If you stormed off just like get.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Fucked, I'm so sorry story and I have its silence,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: which means that they had been calling. But people have
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: been saying that to me a lot lately. I'm just like,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: thank you for doing this, like thank you for this work,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: and I like, I don't know, I feel that I've
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: been I've been like grappling with what to do with
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: that because I've never really been thanked this much before
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: in my life. But I just don't know what to
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: do with I'm just not used to gratitude. I think
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: just I've always just been the help or the doer,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: the the fix it man, and I don't know, it's
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: been like affecting me emotionally, so like you said that,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: and I just like had to bring it up. I
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: just like I see all the things that other people
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: are doing to support me and the work, just the Internet,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: people volunteering, people getting involved, and it's really it is
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: like making me emotional because people saying like thank you
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: for the work that you do that hasn't happened for
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: the past nine years and I've been like doing immcretion
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: law for that long and I've been going to court
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: and like it's just very moving, not from like a
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: personal I need the gratitude in order to feel satisfied perspective,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: but like I feel it feels like you've been working
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: towards a thing. Maybe this is what you feel like
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: in your career, like you've started getting these roles, like
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: not when you were nineteen, but like later, and it's
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: like it's just like fucking vindicating and validating to be
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: like fuck, like I have been on the right path
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: or like doing the good work. And it's it's very
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: motivating for me to get out of bed and have
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: a crush of people be like you got this, like
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: great work. I'm so happy to see that you're doing
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: that that I've never had to navigate this space with that.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: So it's like, whoa, this is so new and exciting
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: and invigorating. But it's also like it's new, it's just
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: processing a new emotion that I just never really had before.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: It's also probably or maybe if I don't know if
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: you can relate, it's overwhelming to have people be really
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: nice and supportive when you have gotten used to a
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: life where people, maybe your family or something, are more stoic. Yes,
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: like mine were that way. And it's not that they
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: didn't love and support me, but boy, they hated to
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: say it out loud.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Are you are you Irish?
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: Yes, my dad's Catholic.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're Scottish.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. If my dad's proud of me, he has
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: to tell my sister to tell me.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: They can't do it directly that Michael. It's like the
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: situation that everyone finds themselves in is so frightening and
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: cinematic and insane. And I mean, and that's just us
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: who are lucky enough to be observing it from the outside.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: So then to watch you just like blaze through the
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: center of it with like Diva, don't go to rikers.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: It is this kind of thing of like that you
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: represent people who are who are dedicated and have been
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: dedicated thanklessly to like actually help and do something. And
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: I think it's like just to be even ye to
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: be able to tell.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: You I want to correct the record. I'm doing it
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: with y'all, like I am doing this, like with the
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: support and guidance of the people that follow me, the
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: people that reach out to me, Like that is what
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: gets me to that place where I can say dipa
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: and go to court and deal with something horrific and
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: then push it away and go back to life where
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: I have people who are supportive of me, who are
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: telling me that stuff, like it really is a collective,
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: Like I do not work alone, and there are so
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: many people that support what I do in ways I
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: will never meet them and I will never know them,
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: and I won't know what they do because they're a
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: translator somewhere, or there's someone who is a stenographer or working,
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: Like you don't realize the people that volunteer for a
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: nonprofit a thousand miles away who did the work intake
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: with that homeless migrant who ends up a year later
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: on my desk, Like it's just my You don't realize,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: and I don't realize, so it's like thank you. However, Comma,
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: it's with everyone else, Like this is not like Michael
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: did this alone, and I never want anyone to think that.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: No, no, But also you're so supportive. We talked about
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: Minneapolis one day on My Favorite Murder because we were
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: just like, we have to talk about this, so we
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: have to say it out loud and people have to
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: be continue talking about it. And later that day Michael
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: texted me, Hey, reach out if you.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: Need anything else.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: It was so embarrassing. I was like, this story I
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: was not trying to get across to the audience, was
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: that this is really hard for me. But it was
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: like the idea that a man in the front lines
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: is like, hey, let me know if you need it.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: It's like, nope, I don't. I don't mean any That.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Was just like, I don't know. That's the care network.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: We just take care of each other in my life.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: It's great, It's really sweet.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're there entertaining me through it all when
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: I'm watching fall Out in bed, playing games on my
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: phone in the middle center in the middle of America.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: It's a crazy show.
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a crazy show. And can I just say
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: one thing about the immigration stuff and how how painful
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: it is and how enraging it is. During his first term,
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: when there was a picture of Pence standing outside of
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: a chain link fence with a crowd of adult male
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: immigrants who were in this behind this fence, acting like
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: it was just they weren't human, just standing there with
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: the attitude of because people a lot of people focus
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: on like, well, there's women, and there's kids, and there's
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: families and that's to try and reach people who don't
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: have empathy. But an adult man, even a men's rans activists,
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: no one deserves to be treated like that. And and
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: I can't. I just can't handle the way. I couldn't
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: handle being immersed in that. Even if it was to
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: help people, it would it would drag me down because
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: it effing enrages me. And I know that people who
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: do the work that you do have to have some
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: It's like therapists, you have to have some way to
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: protect yourself so you can help people. And like veterinarians
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: and anybody who I mean, I don't know, I said
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: veterinarians instead of human doctors. Listen, get me off my soapbox,
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: edit this up.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: Are going to blow up the internet with your attack
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: on veterinarians.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: But it's like people, everyone personality can help in the
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: fight somehow, Like it doesn't just have to be like people.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: I think I get a lot of the attention because
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: I am loud and I am fearless, and I go
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: and I do it. But again it's this like crush
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: the mob of people behind us who are really thrusting
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: us to the front, and then we're just kind of
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: like the appers. We're learning our lines and we go
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: in front of the judgment to that.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: And it's the benefit of having the Irish Catholic parents
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: who don't reward you, because then you're the kind of
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: person that's like, I'll get my reward and I'll work
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: and no one will ever thank me, and I'll not
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: only survive, I'll thrive.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: I'll choose a career where there's literally winners and losers.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like we have like yes, and you've won, Martha Kelly,
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: you have won.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: So we actually asked you here today to read a
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: text message from my ex boyfriend in your sort of
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: terrifying voice. We thought it would be good for a
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: couple of dramatic readings, so if you could, you don't
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: have to learn the lines.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: It's okay, I love that it, but we would love
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: you to be off book if possible.
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: Great, give me, give me thirty thirty minutes to four
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: hours and I'll be off book.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: Here's the first text.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: Do you want me to just told it?
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: And this is so for context. This is a text
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: I got for my ex boyfriend after it's been about
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: I want to say ten years.
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: I'm mad, already already mad, Okay, please, you.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: Had put it down into your vase.
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: Okay, grow a flower of rape?
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: What what acting coaches that? That's the kill garriff?
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: Still a kill garriffs. Okay, Hey, Michael, I know it's
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: been ages, but I wanted to let you know that
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: I saw what you're up to, and I'm so glad
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: you finally found your thing in life.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: Dad savage right wild?
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: Just an absolute sea word.
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys cuss on this, so
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: I'm not cussing, but.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: It sounds like a passive, aggressive Midwestern how wife is.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I'm so glad you finally found.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: Your finally found your thing.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: Like I was walking around, shoes off, wandering into the
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: cigarette store, and now.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: Your thing is that you knit hats for dogs or something. Yeah, no, fans, Martha.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: I know that is a huge part of your career
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: and you built this prolific knit hatting.
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: I have a loom at home and it's just for dogs.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, And then can you read the Milania Christmas book quote? No,
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: it's not a touch screen. Honting. Diva was serious about
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: the typewriter. That's how we booked her.
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: Oh, Malarnia.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, what do you call her movie?
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: I call her Melopia, Millarnia, Melopia consentos in the dark
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: does he wear night vision goggles that make every tin green?
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: I bet he's like that because Santa likes green. First
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: of all, he wears red.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Sorry, no, this is a clip for context. I gave
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: no setup for this. For context. This is a viral
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: clip of Milania reading a Christmas book that when completely
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: people lost their minds. This is a couple months ago,
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: but it is.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: So, it is real.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: It's real.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in the Dark is real.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's a children's book.
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: Santa can turn into fire. But she says he likes green,
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: and I'm just saying you're wrong. It's red. But anyway,
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: it goes on or heat the vision goggles, and I'm sorry,
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: I'm about do a terrible accent.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: I thought it was great.
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: Oh wait, she got me because okay, or heat vision
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: goggles because he might like read better. She got me.
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: Santa goes up the chimney the same way he goes down,
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: and I have no idea how he does that. Okay,
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: there's no way he goes up the same way he
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: comes down. No, he can't.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: You would just walk, just walk out the door.
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: And when you go down, you simply let gravity take you.
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: If he's going up helm, you simply let gravity.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: Driven into the basement. Every time he's going the same.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: Way he's flying a four story house, he's gravity is
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: sucking him down.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: Why is Malona even Malonia even talking about this.
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: Though, because she's a banana.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: No one in that family should be allowed around children.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: The holidays are like at that house, just people blathering
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: about with the.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: White Christmas trees.
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, or he the vision goggle. Get out of here,
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: get out of the Christmas party.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: Beautiful reading. Thank you Mary. Do you have anything you
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: want to plug? I mean I talked a bit about
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: the shows. Anything you want to make sure that we
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: know about? Fore Head corner and that's on your.
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: TikTok is Martha Kelly Tiktac.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: Yes, which is your Christian name?
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: Yes, Martha Kelly TikTok.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: And you don't have to work because you're from the
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: TikTok Empire.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: I am, and I and people your age don't know this.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: And Karen's younger than me too, so I don't know
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: if you remember this. When tik TACs hit the scene,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: you could not contain the excitement of a child, little
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: plastic box with mens in it, the way we went bananas.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: We called it Grandma's Gold.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: She always had something in her purse.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: That was so weird, that is insane.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: You just could never understand CERTs TikTok, the Mints and
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: Grandma's purse. Yeah, it would bust you out of like
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: true like a nine am mass malaise.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: In church, the Mints really kept you going.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: They really Yeah, wait, should I hand this back to you? Sure?
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: But before Tiktoks, all Mints came in little rolls like
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: SERTs and Life Savers. And then Tiktoks made made their debut.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the market wide open.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: It was so exciting.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: So you can follow her, Martha Kelly, TikTok On TikTok.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And then so Euphour You comes out April twelfth,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: and then a movie called Poetic License, which I have
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: a special place in my heart for and not just
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: because I got to be in it is the stunts
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: I got to do that comes out May fifteenth, and
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: it stars never mind because I will get the name,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: one of the names.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: We're going to throw them up on the screen for
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: you with your mouth.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going to do We're gonna it stars Nicole Kidman,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: The Stars Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman and their reunion debut.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: Eyes two more Masks.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: I tried, which by the way, I twice have tried
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: to watch that movie, and each time it gets to
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: a point where I say, what, how is this a thing?
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: Like? My eyes are snap shut for this one?
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: I fell asleep both times. Is actually is God's honest truth?
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: Are you? Are you asleeping early?
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah? I can't. I don't watch TV until the end
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: of the evening and then I fall asleep within forty
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: five minutes.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: The exact opposite of what doctors say to do about
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: say they don't watch Blue Light right before bed, and
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: you say, you know what, you know what.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: You can't tell me what to do?
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: That's right, tell me what to do next. I have
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: a tattoo that says that, and I showed it to
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: in the car once you did.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: I love it?
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: Lower back?
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: I do sorry, we tell I do. Want to just
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: clarify that the Men's the men's rights activist, potentially other
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: stunt guy, was perfectly nice to me. It was just
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: a vibe, but like firemen. It doesn't matter if they're
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: sexist or chauven is because you feel like they're saving
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: your life.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: So they pushed me, but how long to the coda
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: was wearing to keep me from falling? And I was
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: in love with both of them anyway. I just wanted
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: to clarify, not to disparage him. It was just a vibe.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: It was a vibe.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: But then you had to like truly trust. It was
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: like a trust fall where they could have done some
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: damage wres.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: But but I've been on twice. I've gotten to be
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: on a wire and terrifying and then thrilling, and you
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: want to do it all the time.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: Really does it hurt? I feel like the harness is
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: kind of.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: Like you have to wear basically long John's and a
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: long sleeve shirt so that the harness doesn't dig into
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: your skin, but it's padded and stuff. And then I
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: just wanted to be a witch flying through the trees.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: After the initial are you sure this isn't going to break?
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: This doesn't I'm not. I'm scared what's happening? And then
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: it was like get me, get me up in the tree.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: Yes, what was that role?
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: One of them I can't talk about yet, and that
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: which is I'm so sorry, we love it. I hate
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: when people do the secret secret. I've got a secret.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: It's good marketing, Martha.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: But the other one was for Spider Man Homecoming, which
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: is what I know Jess from. So I was on
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: a wire and the elevator drops from under me, and
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: it truly only dropped three feet and the way that
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: I literally did cry the first take because I thought
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: I was going to die, and like, she's so good.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: It didn't even show you how far I was going
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: to drop. They're like, let's just let's just take.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: I think she's going to die.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: It really was like so much reassurance that this is
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: not even if it broke. Even if the wire broke,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: you'd fall two and a half feet, but also it
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: isn't going to break, but it falls. And then Jess
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: and another guy playing security guards pull me up, but
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: I'm on a wire, so they're not really pulling me.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, So the wire was really for them because I
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: didn't want them to have to keep lifting you.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm also like, it would be super dangerous to
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: rely on people grabbing your hands to pull you up. Yeah,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: it would have I would not have done it without
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: a wire, but I was still scared.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: But just you're scared of open elevator shafts. That's crazy.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's weird. It's a childhood fear.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: First time we really heard about that on the show.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: So yeah, avoid them. I mean, I don't want to
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: tell people how to live, but avoid empty elevator shafts.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: Don't step into them. Whatever you do, you know, avoid them.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: And that is our that's going to be our major
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: takeaway advice from this episode is to avoid open elevator shafts.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: We so appreciate you. I mean, you're famous for your
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: your real life practical advice around elevator shafts, and I'm
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: just so appreciative that you came on the show and
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: share that with us. So you can catch Martha Kelly
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: anywhere you get comic books and this has been for
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: head Corner.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: Thank you for having me, Michael, it was so great
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: to meet you, and Karen as always great to see you.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: Martha, You're number one, your number one.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: So this is tell us from the Dams. Remember, while
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: I am a lawyer, i am not your lawyer, So
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: all my answers are for entertainment purposes only. Always consult
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: a local lawyer. They will know your situation, your state,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: and your law is better than I will.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 5: Hi, Michael and Melissa, A quick question for you guys.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 5: I live in Texas and I heard the Ice might
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 5: be targeting a festival that's happening up here soon, and
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  Speaker 5: it made me nervous. I actually own a festival that
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  Speaker 5: has it's like medium size, ten to fifteen thousand people
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  Speaker 5: over a couple of weekends. If ICE happens to show
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  Speaker 5: up at it, am I allowed to bar them entry.
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  Speaker 5: It is a ticketed event, so it is closed in
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  Speaker 5: except for those you know, ticket booth entry spots, so
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  Speaker 5: there is like a way to block But I just
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  Speaker 5: don't know if we're legally allowed to. The grounds are
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  Speaker 5: not owned by us. We rent them from a local
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  Speaker 5: nonprofit that does own the land. Also, aside from that,
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  Speaker 5: are we allowed to make an official announcement and let
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  Speaker 5: people know the ICE is there or help them hide
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  Speaker 5: or get off the grounds?
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  Speaker 3: What's legally allowed?
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  Speaker 5: You guys appreciate it, really, you love the show nice.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for calling. What an interesting question.
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  Speaker 1: This is like a unique situation because the grounds are
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  Speaker 1: leased and borrowed from a nonprofit. It sounds like so
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  Speaker 1: to answer sort of like the question and order, I
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  Speaker 1: would say, can you legally bar ice entry at ticket gates?
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  Speaker 1: And the answer is yes, Like generally it's yes, they're
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  Speaker 1: allowed in if they have a judicial warrant or some
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  Speaker 1: sort of like legal basis. Like I would say, if
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  Speaker 1: like someone was fleeing the scene of a crime and
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  Speaker 1: they're chasing the perpetrator into that area, then yes, but
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  Speaker 1: generally no, and that would be the for the police.
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  Speaker 1: So no ice is not allowed, so you absolutely can.
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  Speaker 1: How it applies to ticket gates, a gated, ticketed entrance
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  Speaker 1: is part of a controlled access property. So if the
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  Speaker 1: access is limited to ticket holders and staff, then you
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  Speaker 1: have a stronger argument if you do bar ice from entering,
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  Speaker 1: because it's not a public area, right, It's not like
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  Speaker 1: a public federally owned park in the middle of the city, right,
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  Speaker 1: So technically it is more of like a like a
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  Speaker 1: private property in that regard, so they wouldn't be able
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  Speaker 1: to enter without a judicial warrant. Things you should not
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  Speaker 1: do are physically block, shove, touch officers, or get into
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  Speaker 1: it with agents. Just thinking from like a safety perspective,
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  Speaker 1: I want you to be safe. I want your staff
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  Speaker 1: to be safe, even if you think they're kind of
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  Speaker 1: like overstepping, I would advise you personally and your team
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  Speaker 1: to sort of hold back and even if you believe
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  Speaker 1: they're breaking the law and the rules, I just don't
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  Speaker 1: want anyone getting hurt and I don't want any of
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  Speaker 1: your staff or you getting detained. So that is sort
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  Speaker 1: of how I would sort of share what you do there.
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  Speaker 1: The best practices if you are at the gate is
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  Speaker 1: have like a trained lawn enforcement liaison, sort of like
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  Speaker 1: the person on your team. Maybe it's you, maybe it's
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  Speaker 1: someone you trust who's like the GM or head of security,
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  Speaker 1: who's going to be the point person if there is
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  Speaker 1: any ice presence. So and if it is you or
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  Speaker 1: someone on your team is listening to this, I would say,
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  Speaker 1: make sure they ask for ID from the officer and
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  Speaker 1: for the warrant or paperwork, and really read what they
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  Speaker 1: hand you, right, you don't want to just like take
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  Speaker 1: it at face value. Look specifically for a judge's signature
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  Speaker 1: on that warrant, because if it's not judicial, then you
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  Speaker 1: can state and like this is something you can memorize.
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  Speaker 1: You could say, like I do not consent to you
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  Speaker 1: entering and make sure that like someone sort of got
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  Speaker 1: that recorded on film. Can you make an announcement if
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  Speaker 1: there is ice presence there? Yeah, generally yes you can
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  Speaker 1: because it's part of like a security You can say
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  Speaker 1: federal agents are present at the front gate, like that
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  Speaker 1: is absolutely something that it's typically not illegal by itself,
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  Speaker 1: but it does get kind of risky if the announcement
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  Speaker 1: is framed or coordinated in a way to sort of
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  Speaker 1: like help specific people evade the laws. So like a
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  Speaker 1: general announcement is going to be safer rather than saying, like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: if you are undocumented, I know there are X number
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  Speaker 1: of undocumented people here or whatever. That is where we
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  Speaker 1: sort of teeter over into the area of obstruction of
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  Speaker 1: justice and evading evasion, aiding evasion. That is such a
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  Speaker 1: weird like bucket of vowels. Even if it is sort
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  Speaker 1: of like technically First Amendment protected speech, your operational steps
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  Speaker 1: around it can kind of create exposure legally. So I
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  Speaker 1: would just keep it really general. Let people know just
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  Speaker 1: like as a general, FYI sharing this information that there
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  Speaker 1: are federal agents here at the front gate, or there
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  Speaker 1: could be potential presence, especially since you said, you know
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  Speaker 1: that there is more of an ice presence in Texas,
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