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Some Nutso Fan Theories · Stuff You Should Know

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from house Stuff Works
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  Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark.
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  Speaker 1: I almost forgot who i was for a second. There's
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  Speaker 1: Charles W. Chuck Bryant. Yeah, there's Jerry or is she
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  Speaker 1: really there? I don't even know anymore because it just
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  Speaker 1: occurred to me. We're doing a show on uh TV
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  Speaker 1: show fan Theories, and we have our own little fan
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  Speaker 1: theory here that Jerry doesn't exist. Yeah, that's true. That's
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  Speaker 1: a fan theory which is sort of a common thread.
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  Speaker 1: And a lot of these is either like, oh they
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  Speaker 1: were really dead or you know, or they didn't exist
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  Speaker 1: to begin with, right, and so we've heard from people
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  Speaker 1: for years. I think that Jerry's made up. I love it, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: because they're right. We're we're not saying no, actually, Jerry
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  Speaker 1: totally real. Anyway, I'm looking at it right now. So
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  Speaker 1: I was going through the internet looking for think pieces
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  Speaker 1: essays on why people come up with fan theories or
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  Speaker 1: what about fan theories make them, you know, make shows better.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't find anything. No, I think the answer is obvious.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's why I couldn't find anything. Too. People
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  Speaker 1: just have time on their hands. That's not what I
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  Speaker 1: was gonna say. I was gonna say that it takes
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  Speaker 1: something that's already pretty enjoyable and adds entirely new dimensions
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  Speaker 1: in depth to it. It takes something familiar and you
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  Speaker 1: can go back and rewatch it through different lens now
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  Speaker 1: and you have time on your hands. Right, It's definitely
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  Speaker 1: not something that super busy people do, you know. No,
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  Speaker 1: And then I also was like, maybe I should just
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  Speaker 1: calm down. We don't have to explain everything. We can
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  Speaker 1: just have fun sharing fan theories. That's what we're gonna do.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a summer break one. Yeah, this feels like
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  Speaker 1: one of those. I'm we're both drunk, sure, pretty drunk.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just kidding kids out there, we're just joking. Should
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  Speaker 1: we just get right into these? Yes? Some of these
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  Speaker 1: are gonna be shorter, others are going to be a
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  Speaker 1: little longer, and we're just gonna kind of jump around. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Should we start with the Granddaddy or end with the Granddaddy? Uh? Well,
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  Speaker 1: it's the Granddaddy to you Uma by the wall? No?
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  Speaker 1: Do you like that one though? Yeah? And I thought
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  Speaker 1: maybe if I said it, Yeah, I think we'll start
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  Speaker 1: with say, by the Bell. I don't know why. I
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  Speaker 1: thought if I said it, really only I would know
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  Speaker 1: what you were saying. Um, we'll start with say by
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  Speaker 1: the bell, we'll finish with one that I know you're
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  Speaker 1: talking about. Okay, cool, that's very um click baity, I know,
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  Speaker 1: but so one you won't believe the last one. One
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  Speaker 1: of the things that um is really hard to do
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  Speaker 1: when it comes up when you when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: fan theories, we should say, I guess we should define.
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  Speaker 1: A fan theory is basically, it's where somebody who likes
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  Speaker 1: the show says, hey, you know this show that you
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  Speaker 1: think means this or is about all this, It's actually
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  Speaker 1: this is what's going on almost all the time. It's
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  Speaker 1: just somebody's idea. But the part of the backbone of
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  Speaker 1: a fan theory is that it has to hold up
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  Speaker 1: and just about every circumstance. Yeah, and I'll get one
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  Speaker 1: out of the way quickly. Is a bad example, because
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  Speaker 1: to me, a bad fan theory is uh murder. She
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  Speaker 1: wrote she was really a serial killer because you know,
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  Speaker 1: you never found out what happened to her husband and
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  Speaker 1: all these people are dying around her. I like that one, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but it's just too easy. It's not like to me.
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  Speaker 1: A good fan theory is one you can say, and
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  Speaker 1: this happened, and look at this, and what about this?
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  Speaker 1: About this? So I know what you mean, and yes
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  Speaker 1: you a fan theory doesn't have to do there else
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  Speaker 1: it's just some schmo saying something somewhere. But murder, she wrote,
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  Speaker 1: has a couple of things to back that up besides
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  Speaker 1: the husband. And the husband I think is whatever. But
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  Speaker 1: but the point that I've seen here there Number one
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  Speaker 1: is Jessica Fletcher is a murder author of murder mystery authoress,
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  Speaker 1: and she murders go follow her everywhere she goes. Right,
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  Speaker 1: think about the last time you stumbled upon a murder, Well,
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  Speaker 1: that's just called TV. Okay, So that's one thing hold on.
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  Speaker 1: And then secondly, even when she travels, she stumbles upon
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  Speaker 1: new murders. But more to the point, in her little
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  Speaker 1: town of Cabot Cove, a population, a significant number of
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  Speaker 1: the say two hundred seventy four episodes of murder she wrote,
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  Speaker 1: took place there. If even two hundred of those murders
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  Speaker 1: happened in a town of it would be the murder
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  Speaker 1: capital of the world percentage wise per capita. So I
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  Speaker 1: see what you're saying by the fact that she's a writer.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like she's a detective. Like you can't say it. Boy,
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  Speaker 1: the eight team we're always getting in these crazy adventures
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  Speaker 1: like they were hired to each Yeah, they were seeking
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  Speaker 1: it out. She just happens to be sucked into it.
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  Speaker 1: She just happens to be there. Right. I've never seen
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  Speaker 1: that at TV show either, so that probably something to
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  Speaker 1: do with it. What never seen murder? She wrote, shock
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  Speaker 1: because I was a thirteen year old boy, not a
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  Speaker 1: year old person. It's even better now, really, Yeah, you're
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  Speaker 1: rewatching it? Oh yeah, it's on Netflix and I think prime.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, man, it's good. Check it out. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: not saying like, oh, murder, she wrote good on my hipster.
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  Speaker 1: I've been watching Murder, she wrote for years and years now, Pal, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know have a beard. No, but but hold on,
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  Speaker 1: I think I want to extend this for a second.
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  Speaker 1: You raised a very good point, and I feel like
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  Speaker 1: I defended murder. She wrote with that same point that
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  Speaker 1: a fan theory has to have meat on its bones.
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  Speaker 1: It can't be an offhanded thing. It's proved what you
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  Speaker 1: just said. Prove why Jessica Fletcher is a serial killer.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's that. They there's a couple of them. It's
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  Speaker 1: a little thin, granted, but there's something to back it up,
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  Speaker 1: which makes it a decent fan theory. Not the best,
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  Speaker 1: but a decent one. The other thing is it's really
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  Speaker 1: difficult to pinpoint the origin of fan theories. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like who did this first? Yeah, who came up with
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  Speaker 1: this idea? Well, I've got one for you. So we're
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  Speaker 1: going to talk about the saved by the Bell fan theory.
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  Speaker 1: And people are just like nervous with anticipation about that one. Now,
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  Speaker 1: as far back as I can tell, it looks like
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  Speaker 1: a person. A writer on the website Cracked Cracks website,
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  Speaker 1: a writer named um Man I lost their name Logan Trent,
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  Speaker 1: in two thousand twelve wrote a post called Saved by
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  Speaker 1: the Bell a conspiracy theory. Um so he originated this one.
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  Speaker 1: As far as I can tell, he gives zero credit
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  Speaker 1: to anybody else. And the way that the post has written,
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  Speaker 1: it really comes across like he is laying out his
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  Speaker 1: argument himself. So it's possible. And if if, if you
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  Speaker 1: had this idea prior to two thousand twelve, and you're
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  Speaker 1: not Logan Trent let us know. But I'm bestowing Logan
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  Speaker 1: Trent with the origin of the Saved by the Bell
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  Speaker 1: fan theory, which is one of the best. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: um big shout out to Cract and Mental Flaws and
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  Speaker 1: our own article and who else was me? TV had
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  Speaker 1: a good one? Yeah? Um, Paste magazine had one. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: There's there's a lot of good fan theory uh articles
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  Speaker 1: out there all right. So at long last Saved by
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  Speaker 1: the Bell and I like this one, and I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember watching this show at all. What but
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  Speaker 1: I I know these characters and the gist. So I
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  Speaker 1: had to have watched it at some point. You didn't
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  Speaker 1: watch Saved by the Bell. No, it wouldn't. That would
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  Speaker 1: in my wheelhouse, I guess not. Older teenage boy slash
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  Speaker 1: college Um, well they had Saved the Bell of college years.
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  Speaker 1: They's just for you. Uh. But I do know these characters,
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  Speaker 1: so it had to have absorbed into me somehow. Um.
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  Speaker 1: So here's the deal. Pre Saved by the Bell. This
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  Speaker 1: I did not know. Um. There was a TV show
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  Speaker 1: was it called Good Morning Miss Bliss? Yes? And it
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  Speaker 1: was unbearably bad. He saw that too. So the idea
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  Speaker 1: of this show is there's this boy named Zack. This
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  Speaker 1: is an Indiana, not just Zack, Zack Morris, Yeah, the
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  Speaker 1: Zach played by Mark Paul Gosler, right, Um, this was
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  Speaker 1: an Indiana, of course, not California. And he was troublemaker.
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  Speaker 1: And there was a teacher named Miss Bliss who was
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  Speaker 1: super smart and always thwarted him. She was what's the
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  Speaker 1: name of the lady who was in the original Parent
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  Speaker 1: Trap played the two twins, Hayley Mills. Yeah it was her.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay. Apparently like then, when you signed a contract
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  Speaker 1: with Disney as a child, they own you for a life. Um.
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  Speaker 1: He has a couple of friends named Mikey and Nicky. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: they're always putting him in his place. Uh. He has
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  Speaker 1: a brother, his parents are divorced, and by all accounts,
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  Speaker 1: Zack Morris and good morning, Miss Bliss is a bit
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  Speaker 1: of a schlub who is always sort of getting his
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  Speaker 1: come up it's from other people. Yeah, kind of a loser. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: basically the opposite of Zack Morris and Saved by the Bell.
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  Speaker 1: Did the ever say Zach attack? I think so. I
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  Speaker 1: think there's a T shirt even that said that. So
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  Speaker 1: flash forward and how many years later was this couple.
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  Speaker 1: So good morning, Miss Bliss goes off the air. I
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  Speaker 1: get the feeling it wasn't very popular, or they wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: have rebooted it as Saved by the Bell. They would
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  Speaker 1: have just you know, kept it going exactly. Uh to say,
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  Speaker 1: by the Bell comes along and now Zack is at
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  Speaker 1: Bayside in California. He's Mr. Everything. He's as this article
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  Speaker 1: points out, he's the most popular kid, ins cool, and
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  Speaker 1: excels in everything, sports, music, casual, racism, whatever. That's that's
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  Speaker 1: the logan transporting. Uh. He's the alpha and his circle
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  Speaker 1: friends Mikey and Nikki are gone. Yeah, they're just gone.
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  Speaker 1: No explanation, right, and there's no explanation for any of this,
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  Speaker 1: like how he got to California. But it's it's the
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  Speaker 1: same character, right, it's the exact same character, but there
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  Speaker 1: are some huge, huge changes, Like at his core he
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  Speaker 1: is a different person. Actually not necessarily at his core,
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  Speaker 1: but as far as how he's treated and viewed by
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  Speaker 1: his peers and everyone else, he's the differences night and day.
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  Speaker 1: He's not a duet anymore. He's not a loser. He's
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  Speaker 1: he's a total winner. Has logan trend points out, like um,
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  Speaker 1: if he were to miss a quiz, rather than fail,
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  Speaker 1: he would convince the teacher to hold a bake off,
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  Speaker 1: and then he would win the bake off by cheating.
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  Speaker 1: Like That's that was how like he went through life.
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  Speaker 1: And also very notably his parents were no longer divorced,
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  Speaker 1: they were married, and he didn't have a brother. He
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  Speaker 1: was an only child and was beloved by all right,
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  Speaker 1: Yeah he had Uh. I think Slater was went from
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  Speaker 1: his rival to his um sort of his pal, but
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  Speaker 1: his you know, his second Yeah, his wingman, Screech was
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  Speaker 1: around in both, but I think he was sort of
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  Speaker 1: screeching both, right, didn't changed much, Yeah, it Screech has
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  Speaker 1: always been screeched alright, So what's the big reveal? What's
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  Speaker 1: the fan theory? So the fan theory is that Saved
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  Speaker 1: by the Bell is the daydream fantasy of Zack Morris
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  Speaker 1: who's actually living in back in Indiana at John F.
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  Speaker 1: Kennedy Junior High and that the whole it's great man,
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  Speaker 1: and that the whole um, the whole premise of this
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  Speaker 1: this fan theory is revealed through the theme song, right, right,
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  Speaker 1: So in the theme song, the theme song talk it's
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  Speaker 1: about like how harried Zack is Well, it's all first person, right,
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  Speaker 1: but you assume that it's talking about Zack, because the
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  Speaker 1: whole show is it revolves around Zack. He's the narrator um,
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  Speaker 1: and he's having like a lot of trouble, like getting
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  Speaker 1: ready and he gets out to the bus just in
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  Speaker 1: time to see it fly by, and the teacher's gonna
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  Speaker 1: pop a test and he knows he's in a mess
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  Speaker 1: and dog ate all his homework, And if you actually
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  Speaker 1: watch the show, nothing ever gets Zach. He's untouchable. So
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  Speaker 1: in the theme song it says, it's all right because
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  Speaker 1: I'm saved by the bell, right, yes, which this fan
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  Speaker 1: theory suggests that once once he settles in, either settles
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  Speaker 1: into class and starts day dreaming or gets home at
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  Speaker 1: night and starts dreaming, he can go off to bay Side,
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  Speaker 1: where he's the biggest winner around. That is the bell, right.
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  Speaker 1: So the fact that these lyrics, by the time I
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  Speaker 1: grab my books and I give myself a look, I'm
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  Speaker 1: at the corner just in time to see the bus,
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  Speaker 1: and then eventually writing low in my chair, so she, uh,
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  Speaker 1: she won't know I'm there, meaning the teacher. This all
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  Speaker 1: is Zack in Indiana it describes a different person. Doesn't
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  Speaker 1: make any sense that these lyrics if you had not
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  Speaker 1: known that that was a show that existed and all
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  Speaker 1: you knew was saved by the bill, these lyrics don't
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  Speaker 1: make any sense. But they do if it is all
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  Speaker 1: a fantasy in his imagination. Sadly, it also makes sense
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  Speaker 1: if you think that the producers hired the composer before
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  Speaker 1: they were really aware of what the show is going
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  Speaker 1: to be like, and that's what the composer came up with.
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  Speaker 1: Lyrics wise, Yeah, that's not nearly as fun. Well, the
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  Speaker 1: other thing I like about fan theories is that there
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  Speaker 1: almost not real it's just fans having fun. But I
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  Speaker 1: like the idea to imagine like some subversive writer that's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: well here's what we'll do. This is all elaborate fantasy
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  Speaker 1: of this Zack guy. I've got one other thing that
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  Speaker 1: the I think the Cracked article points out if not
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  Speaker 1: someone else came up with it later. They pointed out
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  Speaker 1: that Zach has the power to stop time and and
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  Speaker 1: address the camera like he breaks the fourth wall fairly regularly,
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  Speaker 1: and um, he can just stop time and move around
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  Speaker 1: within this frozen time, which also, I mean that's a
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  Speaker 1: weird thing for somebody to be able to do if
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  Speaker 1: they're not in the middle of their own day dream
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  Speaker 1: or night dream. I love it, man, that's a good one. Um.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, uh, things like Mikey and Nikki disappeared. Um.
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  Speaker 1: At one point, Kelly is in love with him and
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  Speaker 1: then she just is gone with no explanation. Yeah he
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  Speaker 1: he people kind of pop in and out sometimes with
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  Speaker 1: no explanation at all. I think Kelly dumped him and
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  Speaker 1: then like all of a sudden, she's gone. And she
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  Speaker 1: was like one of the characters throughout the entire save
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  Speaker 1: by the bell Um, and then she's just gone once
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  Speaker 1: she dumps Zach. He's he's Terry. He's really bad at school,
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  Speaker 1: but he got a fifteen o two in the s
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  Speaker 1: A t Like all this stuff is like dream dream stuff. Right. Well,
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  Speaker 1: that's another point that Logan Trent makes is that a
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  Speaker 1: fifteen o two is literally impossible, Like you can't score
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  Speaker 1: a fifteen two. Yeah, so it's all it's even more
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  Speaker 1: evidence that all this is made up and by apparently
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  Speaker 1: not so smart kid man. So that's saved by the
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  Speaker 1: bell Man. You want to take a break and then
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  Speaker 1: get get back to it. I think so I could
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  Speaker 1: do this all day. All right, all right, we'll go
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  Speaker 1: through a couple of quicker ones here. The Fresh Prince
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  Speaker 1: is dead. Yeah, I kind of really don't need to
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  Speaker 1: say anything else, do you. Well? In the uh the
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  Speaker 1: TV's theme song where he talks about getting in a
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  Speaker 1: fight and that's the whole reason he's sent to Bill
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  Speaker 1: bell Air. Yeah, the Fresh Prince of bel Air. It's
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  Speaker 1: a TV show from and the rap that Will Smith,
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  Speaker 1: the real life Will Smith actually plays a character named
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  Speaker 1: Will Smith, and he talks about getting in a fight
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  Speaker 1: and getting sent off to bell Air to get out,
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  Speaker 1: you know, to get him away from the rough neighborhood
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  Speaker 1: and what Philly West, Philadelphia born and raised and um,
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  Speaker 1: so the theory is that he was actually killed during
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  Speaker 1: this fight, and um everything else is you know, his
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  Speaker 1: h journey in the afterlife. Yeah. The cab that picks
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  Speaker 1: him up to take him in bell Air, the rare
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  Speaker 1: cab is supposedly God or some sort of um ethereal
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  Speaker 1: figure that's taking him to the after life, which is
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  Speaker 1: bel Air. His parents are like basically non existent, but
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  Speaker 1: they show up a couple of times. Uh. This is
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  Speaker 1: explained away by the fan theory as his parents visiting
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  Speaker 1: their son's grave. It's pretty awesome. And then um boys,
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  Speaker 1: the men apparently showed up at one point, but they
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  Speaker 1: were like a heavenly choir. Oh, I don't remember that episode.
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  Speaker 1: So that put all that together. Fresh Prince is dead?
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  Speaker 1: That's right? What do you wanna do next? Should we do? Do? Uh? That?
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  Speaker 1: The two of them from Gilligan's Island? Yeah? The drug
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  Speaker 1: ones super lame? Yeah, I thought so too. There's this
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  Speaker 1: one theory that the and this was. You're right, it's
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  Speaker 1: just dumb that that Mr Howell on Gilligan's Island paid
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  Speaker 1: Gilligan and the Skipper to take him out to see
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  Speaker 1: to do a drug deal, which is why he has
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  Speaker 1: a trunkload of catch, trunk full of cash. Ginger's got
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  Speaker 1: a drug habit, Maryann's a federal agent. This just sounds like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like, uh, someone smokes some weed and came
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  Speaker 1: up with like like someone said, hey, what's your first
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  Speaker 1: idea of what Gilligan's Island could have been other than
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  Speaker 1: what it was? And they were drug thing? Man, I
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: think you nailed it. But there's a better fan theory
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  Speaker 1: for Gilligan's Island that Gilligan's island is hell, that this,
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  Speaker 1: like The Fresh Prince of bel Air, takes place in
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  Speaker 1: the afterlife, but not in heaven, in Hell, or at
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  Speaker 1: least in purgatory, That the Minnows shipwreck um caused everyone
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  Speaker 1: on board to drown, and that in Hell, each one
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  Speaker 1: of the characters represents one of the seven deadly sins
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  Speaker 1: Ginger's lust, Marianna's envy, Professor's pride, thirst in Hell, of
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  Speaker 1: course it's greed. Uh, Mrs Howell, I've seen a sloth
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  Speaker 1: and gluttony seen that too. I've also seen Skipper as
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  Speaker 1: either gluttony or wrath. Wrath makes a lot more sense.
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  Speaker 1: And then Gilligan is sloth or is Satan himself? Yeah.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: And one of the giveaways for Gilligan being Satan, well,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: there's two of them. One is that he's always wearing
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: a red shirt. Oh well, so obviously Satan because Satan
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: horror red rugby shirt. Uh. And then uh, he's always
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: although it seems like it's always accidental, he's always thwarting
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: their plans, Like every time they get something something going
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: to get off of the island, Gilligan is the one
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: who somehow screws it. Up and they're stuck there again.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: So he's keeping them in hell and this one actually
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: has legs. Yeah, apparently. Sherwood Schwartz, the creator Gilligan's Island Uh,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: in a book, confirmed that they did. It was his
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: idea that they did stand for the Seven Deadly Sins?
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Is that right? Yeah, So there you go one of
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: the rare fan theories that actually was true. I wonder
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: whoever whoever thought of that was like, no, yeah, I
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: was right. Well that makes me wonder if somehow it
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: got out or something maybe or he was retroactively just
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: being like, yeah, yeah, that's what I meant. Schwartz. Here's
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: a quick spot from Star Trek one that I kind
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: of liked. We'll do both of the Star Trek ones
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: about that. Um and UM on record is not having
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: watched Star Trek Yeah, I mean me neither. But in
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Star Trek six, the Undiscovered Country, the Undiscovered Country. Sorry,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: people are so mad at me right now. Trek he's uh.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: And an ancestor of mine maintained that when you eliminate
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: And that was Spock in that movie. And the source
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: of that was Sherlock Holmes himself from the Sign of
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Four from a book. And so the idea here is
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: that Spock is related Sherlock Holmes. It's a little weird
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: aw about that, but I could see it. I mean
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: they're both pretty rational. Well, Sherlock Holmes, he loved his speedballs.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: I don't think Spot was ever into those. No, he
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: was more involved. You know, Sherlock Holmes love speedballs, though,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: don't you. I did not. Doesn't surprise me. It surprised
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: me at first. So there's another um Star Trek one.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: I love this one that Andy Griffith is the pre
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: apocalyptic world that leads into Star Trek, and this one
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: is pretty awesome. So it's based on a Star Trek
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: episode Chuck Mirie m I R I like Sirie, but
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: with an M and um. In this episode, the Star
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Trek crew beams down to Earth and it's very obvious
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: it's Mayberry, but it's like a poke post apocalyptic Mayberry.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: It's people entirely by kids. And the reason why it's
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: people entirely by kids because some disease has broken out
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: where um, you die at the onset of puberty. Yeah,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: and it's uh, well it is Mayberry because it is Mayberry.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: It's literally the same back lot that they shot both
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: shows at and they just outfitted Mayberry to be posted
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: apocalyptic right down to like Floyd's barbershop. Yeah, but I
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: think they just scratched out Floyd. They scratched out the
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: f and it just said Lloyd. Oh did it? I
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: don't know. I think it's said Floyd's did it really? Yeah?
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Oh it's that on the nose. Huh. I think so, oh,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: this one's great. This is a great fan seal it
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: for you. Then well there's another part two that um
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: the kid who played Barney Fife's cousin Virgil. Uh, he
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: actually appears in this Star Trek episode. What. Yeah, so
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: it's full circle. Gene Roddenberry was like, I'm gonna come
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: up with a fan theory. No one knows what those
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: are yet, but I'm going to lay it down for
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: him decades now the internet comes around. I don't know
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: what that is, but it's going to be something. I'm
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Gene Roddenberry. You know, the the beginning of Andy Griffith
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: when they're you know, walking down to the lake and
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: he skipped the stones on the lake. It's like right
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: in the Hollywood Hills, Is that right? Yeah? My brother
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: drove me up there one time and it's like this
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: look familiar. Uh, And he started whistling the theme song
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: and I was like no, wow. He said yeah, and
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: he's like the bat caves like over there. Oh yeah yeah,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: and it's sort of you know, killed my dreams. The
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: same with mash too. That's like the Hollywood Hills, well,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: like the mountains behind Malibu. Um, when you fly into
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: l A, you can and you're looking for you like, oh,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: I totally see that. That what we're talking about is
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: the helicopter in the opening UM montage for mash. Um
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: was like, it's supposedly flying through Korea, but it's actually Yes,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: it's California where they're shooting, which is way cheaper to shoot. Yeah,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: we shot. I mean I shot a TV commercial over there,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: and I think we talked about this before. There's you know,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: one of the jeeps is still out there. I don't know,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: I don't remember that rusted out and overgrown with weeds
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: and um, but yeah, it's like an old army jeep.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: There're a couple of little remnants. Jamie Farr is still
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: out there, like, hey, how you doing. Thanks for visiting.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: You need anyone today? Can I get a lift back?
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: You need background? I'll be I'm cheap. That's terrible. Is
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: he still around? I'm supposed to know this. He's like
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: my hometown's favorite son. Oh was he really from there?
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: From Toledo? Yeah? Is that why they did wrote that
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: into the show. Yeah, and he's always talking about Tony Pacos,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: which is a real place. Oh yeah, I knew all that,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: but I didn't know if it was. You know, Jamie
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: far is definitely from Toledo. Okay, Well they never let
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: you forget it. Yeah, he's eighty two. Hey, Jamie Far,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: God's pizza. Um? What else we got? So? Um? This
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: one is one of my favorites. This good one. Gar Field,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, is dying alone in an abandoned house and
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: everything that you've seen in all except I believe six
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: of the Garfield Strips, all of them that have been
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: going on since nine is the hallucination of a dying,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: starving cat in an abandoned house. Yeah. I was way
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: into Garfield. Garfield was great, but the books Garfield and
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Bloom County were my two biggies. I was never into
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: bloom County. Man I loved it. Um, I did love Garfield, though,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: I mean it was a little bloom County is a
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: little more advanced, I think, and it's humor, um, which
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: I still got. But Garfield was like kind of perfect
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: for a ten year old Chuck. It was perfect. So
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: what you're talking about is, in October of n Jim Davis,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: the creative, Garfield said, you know what I'm gonna do.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna put out six strips in a row that
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: are not funny. No, they're actually kind of unsightling. Yeah,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: very bleak. And if you go and look at these
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: strips you can find him online obviously. Um, it's Garfield
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: alone in an abandoned house, and it's really heavy. Yes,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Garfield wakes up in the first strip and no one's around,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: and he's starting to get a little panicked, and then
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: it just kind of continues on and and his panic
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: continues to build over the course of the six strips.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Um and finally in the last one, I believe, Uh,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: he wakes up and John and Odie are there and
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: everything's back to normally so happy. But leading up to
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: that point in strip like three four five, it's it's
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: getting a little freaky and um again, like you said,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: there's nothing funny about it's not It wasn't intended to
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: be funny. It was intended to scare. And the idea
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: is is that what we're seeing in these six strips
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: are the actual reality of Garfield and that everything else.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: He finally manages to go back to his basically dying
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: fee her dream that featured John and Odi. Yeah, but
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: well they disappear though in that strip too at the end. Yeah,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Like they appear and then like he goes to give
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: him food and then they like disappear and he's alone
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: again at the end of that sixth trip. Yeah, okay,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: so he's hallucinated them and then is alone and abandoned.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: So that's why. Okay, Right, So then that backs up
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: that whole idea that, yeah, that they're just a hallucination,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: because they're demonstrated as an hallucination in that sixth series trip. Yeah,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: and he's six strip series. That was his intent was
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: very much to do something sad and different, and I
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: think he heard quite a bit from the fans like
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: what is going on? And then apparently he kind of
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: laughed at the idea when someone said, hey, uh, you
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: realize what people think that this is all a big hallucination,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: like every other strip you've drawn as a hallucination of
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: this dying cat. And he laughed about it, but like
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: what what else? What were people supposed to think? That?
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: He just got really heavy and and yourd for six strips.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: And I think the other thing that was so off
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: putting about it too, is it resolves or there there
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: is no resolution? I think on that that seventh day,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: the Sunday one just picks up like everything is totally normal,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: and it never which makes it even more unsettling. And
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: then Chuck, there's a there's a clear I don't know
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: if it was a reference to it or coincidence or whatever,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: but there's this UM animated movie called Allegro Non Tropo
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: and there's a segment in it, um what's the name
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: of the segment Valves triast about a cat that turns
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: out to be a ghost cat. Have you seen it?
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: It's very good haunting, but it's sort of parallels to
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Scarfield story very much. Whether or not was purposeful, we
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: don't know that part right or did Jim Davis like
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: discount that too. I've never heard whether or not he
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: discounts that. Yeah, but that's definitely go check out the
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Garfields strips to just look up like Garfield dead or
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: dying or whatever and it'll bring him up. But um,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: also just I'm sure it's on YouTube. Just look up
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: valves v A L S E treats t R I
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: S t E and uh, it will, it'll get to you.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: It's very sad. Uh And you should plug your favorite thing,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: uh ever, which is Garfield without Garfield. Oh yeah, that's great. Yeah,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: which in that case it was John who was just
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: crazy and hallucinating, right, Yeah, you could make a pretty
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: good case that John was out of his mind when
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: you take Garfield out of any given strip and it's
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: just John like, yeah, shouting out loud, like he's just
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: like like putting his head down on the counter. Good stuff. Yeah,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: I forgot about that. You want to take a break. Yeah,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: we'll take a break and go through another couple of
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: quickies and then the big Daddy. M all right, did
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: you see this Breaking Bad one? Yeah? Um, this one
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: has spoilers for Breaking Bad and a little bit of
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: The Walking Dead, So if you haven't seen that, tune out.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: But there is a theory that's actually I think kind
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: of cool because I love both shows Breaking Bad and
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Walking Dead. That the blue meth from Breaking Bad is
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: what caused the the zombie outbreak in the Walking Dead. Yeah,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: and that's bad. Yeah, but I mean it seems like
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: they're totally unconnected until you start digging in there. That's
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: right when you look at season one, the character of
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Glenn Hey shout out to Stephen Young, he's a listen
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: of stuff you should know. Yeah, what up? Dog? Hopefully
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: still is not anymore. Uh. He drives a red Dodge
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Challenger in that first season UM, which looks kind of
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: like Walter White's car that he eventually ends up with,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: and then in Breaking Bad, when Walter White returns that Dodge,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: he takes it back and the manager's uh the dealership's
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: general manager is named Glenn Ohhen the best one is
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: it comes in season two if you ask me, Yeah,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: I agree, you take it buddy. Uh? Because why you
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: didn't watch either one of these shows? No? No, I did. Okay,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: I saw all Breaking Bad and I've seen I can't
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: remember how far it seemed pretty far into um Walking Dead.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: I'm behind him Walking Dead by like one season. I
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: need to go back catch up. Yeah, Anyway, season two,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Darryl played by Norman Rita's is um trying to take
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: the fever down on tea dog another character. Right, why's
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: it funny? Uh So his brother Merle, he is um.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: He is like this bag of drugs basically, so he
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: looks through the bag, see faces, there's anything that can
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: help bring the fever down, and there is that blue
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: crystal meth from Breaking Bad in his bag. So that's
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: in a good little hint ye. And then before the
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Zombie Apocalypse, Merle, his brother h was actually a drug
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: dealer and he described in one episode his supplier was
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: quote a jankie, little white guy who threatened him with
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: a handgun and said I'm gonna kill you, b word,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: And that very much sounds like uh Jesse Pinkman. Yeah.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: The only way he could have gotten it across more
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: is if he'd mentioned fat stacks or something, right, that
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: would have been like super on the nose. Though, So
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: that's that's a pretty fun theory. It is obviously meth
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: equals death everybody, that's right, especially Blue. Well, the one
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: thing I didn't get was like, what are like all
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: those people on meth? But then I thought, no, maybe
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: just a certain amount and then they infected other people
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: with their zombie juice. Uh okay, I got one. All right,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: this is this is an old one, but I think
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: it's a good one. The flint Stones and the Jetsons
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: take place at the exact same time. It's a good
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: one that the flint Stones are not prehistoric. They're actually
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: set in a post apocalyptic future. And it's say that
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense, does it? The author, I think
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: this came from mental floss, points out why would some
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: cave people create record players with whatever they had on hand?
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: No one in prehistoric times knew what a record player was,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: but if you were living in the post apocalyptic times,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: you would want to be able to listen to records
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: because they had already been invented, so you would figure
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: out how to make a bird put its beak on
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: a record and use that instead. Why do they celebrate
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Christmas in prehistoric times? Good question? Why DoD? Why does
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: the music and the flint Stones any popular music is
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: always like fifties, like English British invasion type of I
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: forgot about that. Twitch twitch um. Why do they have
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: a banking system? Yeah, yeah, that's fairly complex. It is
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: why are these animals talking, Well, that's just weird. Yeah,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you can like place that at
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: the feet of George Jetson. The The thing about the
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Jetsons though, is supposedly they are living up in uh
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: it's not cloud City's orbit City, um, which is supposedly
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: built in the clouds above a small line, which is
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: where the flint Stones live below the small line. And
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: allegedly the thing that divides them really more than anything
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: is income. Yeah, that the Jetsons are wealthy and part
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: of the ones that can survive and live up in
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: the clean air. The flint Stones are part that have
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: to scrape by with whatever they can find back here
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: on Earth. Well, and that George and Fred mirror one another,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: and that Fred labors at this uh, I mean, I
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: don't even know what you call that, like a a
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Corey yeah with Mr Slate um, whereas George works at
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: spacely rockets and assess in this article works for a
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: total of about nine hours a week. And then robots
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: and computers handle everything else. That's supposedly how our life
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: is supposed to be right now, but we're not doing
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: it right really. Yeah, And now robots are just stealing
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: everyone's job. But we don't have anything to show for
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: it except for joblessness, but the bad kind. Right. Um.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: There was a movie called The Jetson's Meet the flint Stones,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: and in that very movie, George Jetson visits the past
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: and has a little kind of a throwaway comment when
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: he sees green grass and he says that it's something
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: he remembers from ancient history. Right, so that one kind
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: of undermines the whole idea. Oh, I don't know. Well,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: if he's saying that he from ancient history, oh I
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: see that part. Yeah, like there was an apocalypse and
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: there was no grass. But if he visits the past,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know. This is falling apart where we talk
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: about it. It It undermines that one. I'm really great Kazoo?
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: What was up with that guy? Yeah? Well this is
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: where stuff you should know is evolved. To remember the
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Great Kazoo? What was up with that guy? The whole
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Christmas thing is weird to me that the flint Stones
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: would celebrate Christmas when they were clearly supposedly before the
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: birth of Christ as being in prehistoric times. And no,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: it doesn't make any sense. There's a lot of stuff.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: The flint Stones didn't make sense about um, how about
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: the Scooby Doo and I thought this was pretty great, uh,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: and not Scooby Doo. See, this is the difference between
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: a good fan theory and a bad one. Bad one.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Scooby and Shaggy are always stoned because look, they're bumbling,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: and they're always hungry for Scooby Snacks, for Scooby snacks.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Bad fan theory, good fan theory. Scooby Doo takes place
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: after the world economy has shattered, right, that's great. Yeah,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: and there's a lot to it, right. Yeah. So the
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: idea is that these guys are driving around and if
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: you really look at the places that they visit, everything's
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: abandoned and run down, always like abandoned amusement park, abandoned
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: ski resort, abandoned everything. Um. And not only are these
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: places abandoned there, they're populated by people who are squatting
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: basically in these abandoned places. They live in the abandoned place,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: and um, the bad guys are and they have no
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: means to support themselves other than by carrying out these weird,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: veiled crimes that they try to dress up as something
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: other world they which suggests that their geniuses so very
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: very smart people living in squalor and are jobless. Yeah,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: was this cracked? Yeah? So it says that, uh, out
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: of the twenty seven villains in the original UM Scooby Doo,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Where Are You Run, twenty three of the twenty seven
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: are motivated by monetary gain via theft, smuggling, or land speculation. Uh.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: And like you said, if these people are geniuses, why
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: are they you know, like I'm gonna squat in this
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: abandoned mansion so I can gain ownership of it. It's
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: all very strange. Yeah. And they point out that the
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: talents that these people have are UM indicate a very
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: wide variety of UM specific schooling. Right. Yeah, two were
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: PhD s. Two or three were PhD s. Two are lawyers,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: one had an ability to produce forged paintings, one could
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: repair boats, one was a magician, the stuntman. So these
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: are highly skilled, highly specialized UM professions that these people
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: are trained in or capable of doing. But yet they're
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: out of work and they're pulling off these very elaborate
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: schemes rather than just having a job in their profession. Yeah,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: and even Scooby doo, Like when they go into a
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: nice vacation spot, it's it's run down and abandoned. It's
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: like Soviet level vacation spot. Yeah, pretty much. So I
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: thought this was a great one. At the very least
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: they had some reason to not just have it be
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: like normal society that they were living in and like
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: they would you know, like when you go back and
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: look at them that they were weird. Yeah, weird settings
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: for shows really sparsely populated because it's anime, there's no
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: reason to do that. Yeah, I could see if you're like, wait,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: not much of a budget, so we got to go
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: shoot at this abandoned musement park. But they like if
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: they or at a restaurant, they're almost invariably the only
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: people there. Have you ever noticed that? It's like a
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: really empty series. It's cool. It makes it a little
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: more haunting. I like it. Are you ready for the
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: last one? All right? I think we've waited well long enough.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: This one is based on the television hospital procedural drama
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Saying Elsewhere, right, which, uh, Saying Elsewhere? If you watched it,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: or even if you didn't, and you just are a
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: fan of like famous endings of TV series Saying Elsewhere
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: was very famous for its ending in that UM also
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: famous for having a bunch of like big stars earlier
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: in their careers. Yeah, Howie Mandel, Denzel, uh At Begley, Yeah,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: begs a lot of other people, UM, but it very
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: famously ended with UM. At the very end, the uh
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: showed a shot at the hospital with the snow falling
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: UM and then you pull back and you realize that
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: that was actually a snow globe held by a boy, right,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: and it's kind of mind blowing. He's like, oh my god,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: because again this is like if you watched Eer or
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: anything Scrubs, what any normal show about hospital life? And
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: it's about hospital life. That's what st Elsewhere was about.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: You know, it was weird and quirky, but it was
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: it was about a hospital. So the idea of drama
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: that the last scene of I think six seasons, yes,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: six years, a hundred and thirty seven episodes about life
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: at a hospital and the characters that inhabited and worked
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: at this hospital, the hospitals in a snow globe. This
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: is totally out of left field, right, make it even
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: weirder in Walks, who had up to this point been
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: the director of surgery. I think, um, Donald Westfall, he's
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: the medical director of st Elsewhere. He walks in. He's
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: clearly not a doctor. He's dressed, he's not dressed like
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: one construction guy. Yeah, the way he's talking, he's super
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: like blue collar. All of a sudden, and he walks
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: into the room where the boy holding the snow globe,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: whose name we will find out is Tommy Westfall. Um,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: he is Donald Westfall's son in the series Stand Elsewhere. Yeah,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: he had been on the show, but he was never
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: like a big character, and he he had autism. And uh.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: In walks Donald Westfall, who's now a construction worker, and
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: says he's talking to his own father. He's like, I
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: don't get it, Pops. He just sits around and looks
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: at that snow globe all day. I wonder what he's
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: thinking in his head, which suggests pretty strongly. Yet everything
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: about Saying Elsewhere all hundred and thirty seven episodes took
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: place in the mind of Tommy Westfall, this boy with
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: autism who's sitting there staring at his snow globe. Yeah,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, in fact, it's it's really it was even
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: more on the nose than that, he actually says, I
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: don't understand this autism thing, Bob. He's my son. I
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: talked to him. I don't even know if he can
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: hear me. He sits there all day long in his
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: own world, staring at that toy. What's he thinking about?
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Like they didn't need to say all that. They should
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: have just to me, showed that and showed him coming
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: in as a construction guy and maybe just looked longingly
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: at the sun. But he's kind of like, you get it. Everyone,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: So America is sitting there like what. At the time,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: this is what nineteen eighty eight, I think when it
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: went off, the was just like what just happened? That's
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: really weird. But then in two thousand two it started
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: to get even weirder, right because there's a TV writer
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: named Dwayne McDuffie, and he wrote a post called six
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Degrees of Staining Elsewhere, and he points out, wait, everybody,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: if all of stane elsewhere, it took place just in
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Tommy west Fall's mind, And then that means that there's
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: a significant amount of NBC shows that also are just
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: in Tommy west Fall's mind. It's come to be called
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: the Tommy west Fall hypothesis or the Tommy Westfall universe multiverse. Okay,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: and uh, it just spreads and spreads and spreads. And
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: there's a really good this paste article called Tommy's World.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: The TV legacy of St. Elsewhere's Tommy Westfall Universe is
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: pretty pretty much the definitive outside post on it, and um,
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: it lays out a pretty good thread of how shows
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: are connected, and since they're connected, that means that they're
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: all taking place in the mind of this boy with autism,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Tommy Westfall. Right, and it goes a little something like this,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Uh the Doctor some of the doctors from St. Elsewhere
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: went to Cheers one time, Okay, so that means Cheers
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: is in Tommy Westfall's mind. Uh. Frazier was a spinoff
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: of Cheers. Check. That means Frasier isn't real. Yeah, you're
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: getting this. We don't need to say that after each one,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: do we. I think it really drives the point home.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: If the John Larroquette show, um, which was actually pretty good.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: John Larkett is great and that show was very underrated,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: but the lead character played by John Larriaicette was John Hemingway. Um,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: he called in one time on Frasier's talk show on
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Fraser he was one of the Collins as that character.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: So now John Lara Catt's universe is in Tommy west
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Fall's mind. That's right. So on the John larric Uette
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: show itself, they mentioned Yo Yo Dine as a company
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: um a tech company, and in Star Trek, Yo Yo
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Dine uh made technology used by the Enterprise crew. Yo
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Yo Dine right right, Yo You're dying, So that means
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: Star Trek is in Tommy west Fall's mind. That's right.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Yo Yo Dine was also appears again in Angel the
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: TV Josh Wheeden's Angel um it was part of the
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: I think he was a client of the law firm
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Wolfman Hart Angel okay, and then wolf him in Heart
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: um was was representation to another tech company called Whalon Utani,
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: which made tech on the TV show Firefly, things are
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: getting deep now, right, so now Firefly is in Tommy
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: west Fall's mind as well. Uh. Then Whitland Utahni ship
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: was in a spaceship graveyard on the series in Britain,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Red Dwarf Right and then Bring It Home and then
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: the Tartists is in the hangar bay of the ship.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Red Dwarf on the show. So that means that Firefly,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Red Dwarf, and then dr who are all in the
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: mind of Tommy Westfall because all of them are connected
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: back to sing Elsewhere. And and as the author of
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: this paced article points out, this is a normal thread.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: It's spread to something like more than four hundred t
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: V shows being implicated as being in the imagination of
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: Tommy Westfall. Yeah. I think the last count I saw
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: was four and nineteen shows. Um, which you know, if
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: they just get one more than all of a sudden,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: it's a weed theory, right you know, Uh, pretty great.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: Tell him about John Munch though, he's like the all
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: star character from Tommy Westfall universe. All right. That was
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Belzer's character on Homicide Life on the Street and that
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: was apparently a spinoff from st Elsewhere. It was related
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: to it somehow, Yeah, I think so officially related. But
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: then Munch was on a bunch of different shows. Yeah,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: like his character, not just the guy who played him,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: but he got he just popped up in different shows
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: all over the place, not even necessarily just on NBC.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he was on X Files and that was Fox,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: wasn't it. Uh, Law and order, he was on the wire, uh,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: and he was on thirty Rock, so much Munch is
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: just sitting there since he was already connected to St. Elsewhere.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Any show he pops up Bond, he's obviously in the
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: same universe as St. Elsewhere, which again is in Tommy
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: west Fall's mind. So most of the television in the
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: United States come, you know, it doesn't exist except in
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: the mind of a boy with autism who likes this
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: snow globe back in. I wonder how much of that
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: was I mean, not pre planned, but zero from what
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: I understand. Well, they clearly meant to show though that St.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Elsewhere was a figment of his imagination, but I don't
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: think they even stopped and thought, oh that, you know, wow. Well,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: and then most of that stuff came after St. Elsewhere too,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: So I wonder then if someone kind of ran with it,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: like if there's this inside Cabal and Hollywood and the
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: w g A where people are trying to like, I'm
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: sure try these things together. So it's like putting a
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Wilhelm screaming yeah, which we did incorrectly. We tried, tried Jerry, well, yeah,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: that was that was just that was in s Y
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: S k jam Uh you got anything else? No, sir, Well,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: if you want to know more about TV fan theories,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: you can go find him on the internet. Send one
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: in though, if you have one that we didn't talk about. Yeah,
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: a good one though we defined what a fan theory is. Okay,
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: so a good one. Yeah, and nothing from lost Yeah, yeah,
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: I just don't bother if you already said all that stuff.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: So since I said I already said all that stuff,
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: it's time for listener mail. I'm gonna call this hidden Whiskey.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: Remember our live show in Vancouver we talked about the
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Canadian Club had a very special promo in the eighties
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: where they hit cases of whiskey all over the world
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: like a big scavenger hunt, and not all of that
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: whiskey was found. Remember that? Yeah? I remember. So this guy,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Chris ort Loft, writes in about that. He said one
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: of them was hidden in Lake Flats in New York
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: year before the nineteen eighty Olympics and supposedly was never
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: found and a few years ago, more than three decades later,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: my mother picked up the trail when she discovered that
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: it was possibly still out there. I love it. This
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: guy's mom was like what fre you whiskey? I think
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: she was just like it sounds like an adventure, you know,
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: just kidding? Uh where you know? Maybe she wanted the
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: free whiskey too. Um. A fan of cryptic crossword puzzles,
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: word games, and snowshoeing, the allure was too much for
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: her to pass up. Well, there you have it, plus
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: you really liked whiskey. She tracked down a man in
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: Connecticut who had previously searched for it, spoke with customer
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: service at Canadian Club even and with a couple of
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: other leads. She spent months turning over the clues, checking
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: current and historical maps, and hiking through the woods and
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: fields around Lake Placid. I love this guy's mom. Yeah. Um.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: I sat down with her a few times with my
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: thinking cap on in hopes of unraveling the mystery, as
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: did many of her friends and relatives. We have lots
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: of research and speculation amassed as a result, and I
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: was like kind of nervous reading this. I was like,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: she found it, she didn't find it. Um. Sadly, after
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: all the effort and intrigue, we still have no idea
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: where it is. Maybe some kids took it years ago.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: Could be completely buried by leaves and twigs by now,
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: or maybe it's still waiting to be found and someone
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: else can correct the case, so to speak. Blame it
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: on leaves and twigs. Uh, if you were any listeners,
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: want a chance of some by now vintage Canadian whiskey
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: though for the very least, and Enriching walked through the
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: Christine Northern New York Wilderness. The clues as originally printed
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: in the cc AD or as follows, and then he
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: gave them to me, so you can just look that
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: up on the internet. They're out there. It's really love yourself. Well,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: I mean I can't read them all. It's get out
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: your decoder pins. Happy hunting, and do share one with
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: me if you find it. That is from Chris or Law.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Thanks or Laft. Will you appreciate that you have the
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: last name of a person who's only called by their
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: last name. And Mrs ort Law for at the very
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: least your mom. I don't know if that's her name,
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: Madame Madam Mortlaw like that. It's a great explorer and
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: adventure that's how she shelf forever be known in Yeah,
• 52:08
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• 52:11
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• 52:13
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• 52:15
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