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Next Meridian Expedition on Vehicle Shipping to Australia and the Importance of Finding Your Own Travel Rhythm · The Overland Journal Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Overland Journal podcast. I'm your
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  Speaker 1: host Ashley Jordano, and today I'm joined by our latest guests,
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  Speaker 1: Nick and Matild of the Next Meridian Expedition. Nick and
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  Speaker 1: Matild are a French Italian couple in the midst of
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  Speaker 1: a world tour and their land rover Defender. In this
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  Speaker 1: episode from the Field, Nick, Matild and I discussed the
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  Speaker 1: ins and outs of shipping a vehicle to Australia, top
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  Speaker 1: tips for visiting Antarctica on a budget, and finding your
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  Speaker 1: own travel rhythm while overlanding. Here we go, we're in
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  Speaker 1: location in Italy and Australia. I hope you enjoy the episode.
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  Speaker 2: And special thanks to Overland Explorer Vehicles also known as OEV,
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  Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to the Overland Journal podcast. I'm your
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  Speaker 3: host today, Ashley Jordano, and I'm currently in Italy beaming
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  Speaker 3: in dex Meridian Nick and Matilda and they're currently in Australia.
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  Speaker 3: So kudos to the power of the interwebs for this
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  Speaker 3: fun podcast extravaganza global overland situation. Anyway, Welcome nickan Matil,
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  Speaker 3: thanks so much for joining me.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Ashley, and thank you for having us.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: We love being so far away and still being able
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  Speaker 5: to chat. That's the real traveler spirits.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So you guys are in, as I said, Australia
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  Speaker 3: and you're traveling around the world and your Defender named Albatros.
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  Speaker 3: What kind of defender are you driving?
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  Speaker 4: We are currently driving a Defender one to twelve from
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  Speaker 4: twenty twelve and uh it's a one ten.
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  Speaker 3: It's nice.
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  Speaker 5: I know that.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was. Britney Hihland did a write up
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  Speaker 3: of your land Rover for Overland Journal with all the
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  Speaker 3: details and all the history behind it. But yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: feel free to share a little bit more about the
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  Speaker 3: build process and how that all got started.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, yes, that's right. So we did have a review
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  Speaker 4: done about a year ago where we went a little
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  Speaker 4: bit about the specifications of the vehicle, about you know,
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  Speaker 4: how many leaders it could carry and tanks, how it
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  Speaker 4: was built inside, and why it was built this way,
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  Speaker 4: and so to quickly recap some of this, we built
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  Speaker 4: out a car that felt like a home because we
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  Speaker 4: would be traveling around the whole world, doing all seven continents,
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  Speaker 4: and so we wanted to make sure it felt cozy
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  Speaker 4: and that everything worked with just a click, and that
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  Speaker 4: we weren't doing too many manual jobs on the car
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  Speaker 4: while traveling. So for example, there's a shower and a
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  Speaker 4: hot shower system. We just switch to a button. There's
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  Speaker 4: lights a little bit everywhere. Inside there's a diesel heater
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  Speaker 4: so that in the cold moments they would it would
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  Speaker 4: really heat up the vehicle. So for example, when we
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  Speaker 4: were in Alaska it was minus ten fifteen celsius and
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  Speaker 4: we were inside in t shirts and shorts, and so
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  Speaker 4: that for us is what you know, should be traveling
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  Speaker 4: for us, just to make it as comfortable as possible.
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  Speaker 4: It's also fun just to build out the car, and
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  Speaker 4: so yeah, we really built it out to feel like
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  Speaker 4: a home and it's got everything you need in terms
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  Speaker 4: of functionalities except for the bathroom. And so if you've
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  Speaker 4: seen a picture of our vehicle, you'll see a shovel
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  Speaker 4: on the bonnet and that technically is our bathroom.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, we used to travel with like much simpler
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  Speaker 5: vehicle with a tent on the side and somethings you know,
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  Speaker 5: like yeah, very very simple. This one is pretty simple
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  Speaker 5: when you look at some gear like in the US
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  Speaker 5: or even in Australia where we're here, we're pretty minimalistic.
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  Speaker 5: But there's a set of like comfort elements that we
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  Speaker 5: knew we wanted because when you live for such a
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  Speaker 5: long journey, we really wanted to have the feeling that
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  Speaker 5: we could stay in this car forever, that we never
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  Speaker 5: would have this attraction to like take a hotel or
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  Speaker 5: go to a camping. We wanted to be able to
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  Speaker 5: stay in the mountains for an entire month if needed
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  Speaker 5: and feel at home because we knew in some countries
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  Speaker 5: we would want to like stay and explore. And that's
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  Speaker 5: the film we have here. So we kind of tested
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  Speaker 5: the vehicle of like several trips in hot places, cold
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  Speaker 5: places around Europe, and we find the tiny bit every
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  Speaker 5: time until we nailed kind of the right level of comfort.
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  Speaker 5: There was still pretty like simple as a setup, but
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  Speaker 5: made us feel like we're at home. We can live
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  Speaker 5: for an as entire three years. And it's also like
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  Speaker 5: important in terms of budgets because first we knew we
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  Speaker 5: couldn't offer to like pay Airbnb's every so often when
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  Speaker 5: we left. So the idea was, let's make this car
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  Speaker 5: home and we will never feel we need to pay
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  Speaker 5: for like sleeping anywhere.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's something when we were building out our
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  Speaker 3: tundra and our pup up camper, we thought about that
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  Speaker 3: as well. We wanted something that was sustainable in a
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  Speaker 3: travel sense. Yeah, so you feel like you can travel
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  Speaker 3: for a long period of time and become just like
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  Speaker 3: you're saying, and I think that's worked. Do you think
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  Speaker 3: do you think that that's been something that's been successful
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  Speaker 3: for you guys? You feel like you're you're at home
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  Speaker 3: and it feels like it's comfortable in a way that
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  Speaker 3: you know, if you don't feel like you need to
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  Speaker 3: get an AIRBNBA or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, totally totally, And yeah, that's one hundred percent. And
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  Speaker 4: the car has gone through a few evolutions since the departure,
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  Speaker 4: because as we travel we notice small things we could
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  Speaker 4: ameliorate or change. But since the get go, it has
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  Speaker 4: always been functional and never felt like we needed to
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  Speaker 4: go camping.
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  Speaker 5: I think the proof of that is that sometimes we
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  Speaker 5: meet people and they invite us to their place and
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  Speaker 5: they're like, oh, you'll see we have a spare bedroom
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  Speaker 5: and we have a full bathroom, and you'll feel amazing
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  Speaker 5: not to camp for a night or two, and it's
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  Speaker 5: super generous, and we love those invitations, but sometimes like
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  Speaker 5: they don't quite realize that this is our home and
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  Speaker 5: this is where we feel the most comfortable, and sometimes
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  Speaker 5: just like packing a bag and going in that's the
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  Speaker 5: bedroom feels like camping for us, you see what I mean,
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  Speaker 5: Like our real bed is in this car.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And sometimes like packing all your stuff up from
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  Speaker 3: being at your home is like packing to on a trip.
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  Speaker 3: It takes a while, and yeah, it's a fun, fun experience.
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  Speaker 3: That's great. That's great, And I love that you tested
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  Speaker 3: it out in different climates and temperatures before you left,
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  Speaker 3: because that's not always able to happen. And with Europe,
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  Speaker 3: I think that that's a bit easier because there's such
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  Speaker 3: a wide range of temperatures and climates and in Europe,
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  Speaker 3: so that's great, so you don't have to go far,
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  Speaker 3: you know, to be able to test a hot, dry
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  Speaker 3: environment or go to the Scandinavian Heundrison winter or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess the only kind of type of climate
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  Speaker 5: we couldn't test from Europe is the hot and humid,
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  Speaker 5: you know, the tropical one. And I think that's the
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  Speaker 5: only one where we can say we suffered the If
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  Speaker 5: there's to be completely honest, if there's one time we
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  Speaker 5: felt we needed to get out of the car, it
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  Speaker 5: was once in Colombia, in a very very humid place.
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  Speaker 5: We were, you know, after a shower, after ventilating everything
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  Speaker 5: we could, we were still like sweating from every part
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  Speaker 5: of our body. It was like nine pm, it was
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  Speaker 5: not getting any colder. And it's the only time over
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  Speaker 5: the entire tip we looked at each other and we
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  Speaker 5: said we're out of here. We wrapped up everything, we
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  Speaker 5: packed up and we weren't like during the night in
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  Speaker 5: the smallest like tracked town and found the ten dollars
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  Speaker 5: hotel room with ac and I think it's the anytime we.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair. Columbia gets like the coast of Columbia
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  Speaker 3: gets really hot, really hot. I remember going into like
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  Speaker 3: grocery stores that had a specifically to just like get
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  Speaker 3: out of them, get out of our truck. This is
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  Speaker 3: like so hot and miserable. But that's great. Uh, that's great.
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  Speaker 3: I love it. What are some of those little changes
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  Speaker 3: that you've made recently?
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  Speaker 4: So the last changes, which is to us Albatross four
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  Speaker 4: point zero, is we had an engine change literally two
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  Speaker 4: months ago. We had a cracked piston just coming out
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  Speaker 4: of a town. We were you know, we packed up
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  Speaker 4: with food and food, fuel and water and we're ready
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  Speaker 4: to go hit the road in Australia, finally going. And
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  Speaker 4: this is the fifth day in Australia after taking the
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  Speaker 4: car out of port, and we're just super excited and
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  Speaker 4: on a tiny uphill, all on a sudden, the smoke
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  Speaker 4: comes out and oil seeping out of the engine and
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  Speaker 4: we're thinking, oh gosh, this looks bad. And then this
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  Speaker 4: very kind mechanic helped us diagnose the issue and it
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  Speaker 4: was it was a cracked piston and so we had
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  Speaker 4: to do an engine swap and that was a month
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  Speaker 4: two months ago.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, that must have been a lot just coming, you know,
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  Speaker 3: several days after in the.
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  Speaker 4: View, Yeah, it was. It was really really a little
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  Speaker 4: bit frustrating, but a little bit at the same time
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  Speaker 4: kind of like it's part of the adventure. It happens.
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  Speaker 4: We kind of knew this was going to happen because
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  Speaker 4: the Defender engines, well at least the modern ones, were
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  Speaker 4: known for not having great reputations, and so we finally
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  Speaker 4: said it before the trip started, like, you know, we
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  Speaker 4: might have to do an engine change because everyone who
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  Speaker 4: has the same car as us will do one. And
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  Speaker 4: then on the way we were thinking, nah, probably not us,
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  Speaker 4: and then it happened to us. So it was funny.
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  Speaker 4: But if you do ask, like about upgrades, the last
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  Speaker 4: upgrades we did was we actually finally were able to
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  Speaker 4: lift our bed up when the pop top goes up.
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  Speaker 4: So that's something we were really excited about because it
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  Speaker 4: takes up a lot of space that bed, and now
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  Speaker 4: that it goes up with the roof, it kind of
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  Speaker 4: creates a whole new space. And so our car is
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  Speaker 4: three meters squared, but it just feels like we've just
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  Speaker 4: doubled in size. In the living room, and we can
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  Speaker 4: finally have an extra guest inside, which doesn't happen often,
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  Speaker 4: but when it does it feels great.
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  Speaker 5: Another one, a big one. We learned our lessons from
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  Speaker 5: tropical areas and before heading to more tropical areas in
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  Speaker 5: Northern Australia where we are now in Southeast Asia, we
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  Speaker 5: changed our tent canvas because we had a insulated, like
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  Speaker 5: very thick tent canvas with only one window, which didn't
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  Speaker 5: allow any flow of air, and so now we changed
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  Speaker 5: it for three window canvas where you can open everything
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  Speaker 5: and get as much breeze as you can. And that's
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  Speaker 5: a lesson from the last time in the tropics in
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  Speaker 5: preparation for Southeast Asia where we're going to boil for sure.
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  Speaker 4: Boil and sweat a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, which popp do you have?
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  Speaker 4: We have a next tech pop top from Germany and
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  Speaker 4: the canvas is from RC in France.
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  Speaker 3: Nice awesome. Okay, So let's go back in time a
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  Speaker 3: little bit here. I'd like to know more about how
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  Speaker 3: you guys got started. I know you both have had
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  Speaker 3: traveled a lot previously to the start of this around
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  Speaker 3: the world trip, and maybe just give a little bit
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  Speaker 3: of background about where you're from. Each of you, and.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, there, so background, I'm a pure bred French product.
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  Speaker 5: Spend the first eighteen years of my life in the Alps,
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  Speaker 5: eastern part of Friends in the mountains, but always you know,
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  Speaker 5: through books, I think in literature in general, like, always
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  Speaker 5: wanted to travel. I was just I'm eighteen, I'm out.
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  Speaker 5: I got stuck a little bit more in Switzerland for
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  Speaker 5: studies in the Alps, and then after that I started traveling.
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  Speaker 5: Spent several months in Argentina working there, several almost a
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  Speaker 5: year in Jordan working there, and then I was dragged
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  Speaker 5: back to Europe. My parents wanted me to do my
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  Speaker 5: graduate school grad school before like wandering on my own.
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  Speaker 5: And that's where I met Nick next to me, who
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  Speaker 5: was a hardcore traveler as well from birth in his case.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, for me, it was natural continuation to continue
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  Speaker 5: traveling with someone like Nick.
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  Speaker 4: Go for your background, Yeah, so mine's a little bit
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  Speaker 4: kind of confusing, but I'll make it short. So born
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  Speaker 4: in Thailand and lived most of my life in Asia,
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  Speaker 4: so for twelve years and then six years in Africa
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  Speaker 4: before graduating high school. So I'm French Italian, I've got
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  Speaker 4: both nationalities, but always did British or American schools, so
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  Speaker 4: I would say English is my first language, not French
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  Speaker 4: nor Italian. And with Matild we actually speak English. In
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  Speaker 4: our videos. Everything is in English because my French is
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  Speaker 4: fine but not great, especially when it comes to writing.
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  Speaker 4: Then did my bachelor's in business in France in a
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  Speaker 4: private English school, and then business masters in Belgium where
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  Speaker 4: I'm in Matilda, so we both graduated our masters. We
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  Speaker 4: both worked in Paris and Belgium for four years. Matilda
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  Speaker 4: was at the United Nations and I was working for
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  Speaker 4: a startup. And then on a trip, we decided to
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  Speaker 4: quit our jobs and leave on this trip. And it
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  Speaker 4: happened to be just before COVID and we had all
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  Speaker 4: of COVID to prepare the trip.
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  Speaker 5: It's when we met. We knew we wanted to travel,
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  Speaker 5: We knew we wanted to like leave abroad, and you
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  Speaker 5: know life, you just find your first job. And we
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  Speaker 5: were lucky at that point, like both our jobs were
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  Speaker 5: allowing us to travel, so we thought, oh, we got
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  Speaker 5: the golden tickets, you know, like we got a job
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  Speaker 5: and they're playing us to travel around. But yeah, after
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  Speaker 5: full five years, you like settled back and you're like hmm.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe Paris and Brussels was not the dream. You know,
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  Speaker 5: like remember what we wanted to do before that, and
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  Speaker 5: we couldn't really get set on like a place where
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  Speaker 5: we would live somewhere else than Europe. And then I
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  Speaker 5: don't remember we were like, oh wow, those guys are
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  Speaker 5: traveling around the world looking at social media somewhere, and
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  Speaker 5: we were like, oh, but it's probably super expensive. We
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  Speaker 5: will probably never be able to offer that. Before we
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  Speaker 5: were like, ohd or something. And then I think you
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  Speaker 5: went online, Nick, and you started asking questions, you know,
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  Speaker 5: how much would it be, how much would be an
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  Speaker 5: yest runt? And you know when you put the met
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  Speaker 5: together and you like I used to travel cheap, not
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  Speaker 5: pay for a hotel every night, all those kind of things,
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  Speaker 5: we were like, huh, maybe we can pay for that,
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  Speaker 5: you know, maybe we can save that kind of money.
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  Speaker 5: And that's where the preparation started.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, people are quite surprised. I think the two questions
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  Speaker 3: that seem to be the most common one how do
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  Speaker 3: you afford it? And two where do you go to
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  Speaker 3: the background? But yeah, it's it's like I've said, I've
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  Speaker 3: said this many times. I think it's great talking to
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  Speaker 3: travelers like you guys, because it's possible. In many cases,
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  Speaker 3: you just kind of have to do the math and
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  Speaker 3: be on a stript budget and sometimes like for us,
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  Speaker 3: it's actually it's actually more makes more sense for us
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  Speaker 3: financially to travel than it does to live home in Canada,
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  Speaker 3: just because various reasons. So for you, obviously it sounds
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  Speaker 3: like it's very similar.
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  Speaker 4: Actually we're back, hey, so.
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  Speaker 5: Again it's actually more No, no, no, of course.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, so it's actually sorry, So for us, it's
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  Speaker 3: it's actually it makes more financial sense for us to
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  Speaker 3: be on the road than it does to be at home.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm wondering if it's kind of similar. It sounds
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  Speaker 3: like it could be for you as well.
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  Speaker 5: I guess we were living in capital cities, so yeah,
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  Speaker 5: our expenses were much higher. We were between Paris, which
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  Speaker 5: is one of the most expensive capital in Europe. Russell's
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  Speaker 5: is much cheaper. But the way of life is such
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  Speaker 5: that when you're a town, you have maybe less free
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  Speaker 5: stuff to do, so you just end up spending more
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  Speaker 5: for maybe things that you are less geared towards. You
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  Speaker 5: see what I mean. Maybe you want to enjoy the outside,
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  Speaker 5: but because you don't have as much opportunities you just
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  Speaker 5: go to a bar, to a restaurant, so well as
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  Speaker 5: it makes sense. Now, yeah, we I think we discovered
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  Speaker 5: a new way of living. We became much more minimalistic
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  Speaker 5: in our way of life, without like revolutionary, without changing
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  Speaker 5: entirely what we do. We I think we realize we
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  Speaker 5: need less.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we've We've come to really enjoy the simple things
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  Speaker 4: of life. And what really makes a journey special is
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  Speaker 4: just meeting all the people. There's so many people, and
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  Speaker 4: actually we'd love to meet you as well. We've been
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  Speaker 4: following your trip a little bit. We've heard about you
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  Speaker 4: through podcasts and magazines, through other travelers, and so for us,
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  Speaker 4: it's meeting the travelers, but also the locals, because locals
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  Speaker 4: always say, hey, why don't you come this way? Or
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  Speaker 4: just sometimes you know, when you're in a loss in
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  Speaker 4: the in Central America, just driving up this track and
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  Speaker 4: then there's a little village and they all come to you,
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  Speaker 4: and the kids run up to and they say, hey,
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  Speaker 4: come on, come over, and you know, and we say, hey,
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  Speaker 4: can we see you in front of your yard? And
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  Speaker 4: they're like super excited, and you spend a whole evening
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  Speaker 4: with them and that's what makes you know, the greatest
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  Speaker 4: memories more than seeing the waterfalls and seeing you know,
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  Speaker 4: each of the beaches and surfing and that's fun too,
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  Speaker 4: and that's what the city was missing for us. And
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  Speaker 4: so one hundred percent we love what's happening here.
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  Speaker 5: And spontaneous interaction, yeah sure, and that sense of community
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: and connection with other people.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: You know, something that is so important in chatting with
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: people from different parts of the world and with their
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: perspectives on life. You don't necessarily get that interaction back home.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: So very fulfilling part of travel. Have you had some
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: of those experiences And not Australia yet, I mean, you're
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: talking about the mechanic and but yeah.
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: I think yeah in Australia. I think the most significative
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: encounter we made was actually when we broke our engines.
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: So Nick was describing we were leaving a town taking
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: that up here, big spot, big smoke coming from the
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: engine bay, and we were there on a Friday end
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: of afternoon. It's always a Friday end of afternoon that
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: that sings. Those kind of things happen on the side
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: of the road. We were calling garage and workshops and
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: they were all like no, we're closing. We're closing. See
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: you on Monday. See you on Monday. And we were like, okay,
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: we'll just have to call a tow truck and wait
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: in the campsite like all weekend. And then this car
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: stops and a guy like two meters door, a huge
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: guy comes out with like working clothes on, and he
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: was like, guys, don't worry.
• 20:59
  Speaker 7: I'll get you out of the highway. Come to my place.
• 21:02
  Speaker 7: I have an apartment. I was per car. You don't worry.
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: You follow me, and we were like all right, all right.
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: And he was so kind. He so he told us
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: to his place and gave us a beer and we
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: started talking and he explained us that when he was
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: our age, about thirty years old, he traveled in Europe
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: in the van and he saw our license plate and
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: he thought, those guys, they're not from here. I need
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: to help them. And he explained us, and when he
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: was in Europe he met so many people who helped
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: him that he had to do it. And we ended
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: up staying like twenty two days or twenty three days
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: at his home where like he had a little like
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: side apartment next to his home. He lended us a
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: small car he was using to teach his starter to
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: drive manual and we cooked for them some French stuff.
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: We talked to the girls about like professional career because
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: there were like teenagers looking what to do in life.
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: They brought you hunting, We went to the beach together.
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: They invited us to eat. Who are going to the
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: football games of the girls? You know, it ended up
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: being the best encounter ever so Australia five star.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it truly was, and it really felt like a family.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: We stayed with them two weeks and a half and
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: it's always the hardest part is when you leave because
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: you have to say goodbye and it just feels weird.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: And so we keep in touch still sometimes on whatsapped,
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: but it's not the same. You know, when you're there,
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: that's when the magic is really there, and it's all
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: about paying forward. I'm sure in the overlanding community it's
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: something that resonates in a lot of people's ears. But
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: you know, now we are the one receiving the help
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: and meeting a lot of people, and then when we're
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: done with this trip, it'll be up to us and
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: we can't wait to see how we're going to do it.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: But we're extremely excited one day, you know, to have
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: a house with a garden and a spare place and whatnot,
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: and just to give it all for free to all
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: the travelers that come through and give them as many
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: a many of these and help as possible. And yeah,
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: it's very exciting. It's very exciting, all of it.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's something definitely that becomes a natural tendency. We've
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: done that as well when we have periods when we're
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: back home or we're staying enough where people are coming through.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: It's so nice, so nice to have people over or
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: to stay. And we've been also on the receiving end
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: many times than we are right now actually, So yeah,
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: it's it's like what comes around with the Laker, because
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: it's like circling over the ending, you know, beautiful thing.
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: It really is. It's it's it's magical and it's like
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: simple pleasures of life, just simple basic humanity, you know,
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: and it you see it a lot more when you're
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: out there than when you're in the city, because in
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: the city it's busy and running and it's good. It's
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: just different. When you're out there, people are like, oh gosh,
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: do you want a glass of water. Hey do you
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: want to come over for a meal, or hey can
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: I help you with something? And they have time for you,
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: and they you know, try and listen and try and understand.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: And that's just for us. It's number one, just the people.
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: It sounds easy, but I mean maybe the surprising fact
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: is that it sounds surprising for most people that nineteen
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: nine point nine ninety nine people that we met on
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: this trip over twenty eight countries through you know, richer country,
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: pro our country, you know, no South Center. Everyone was good,
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: you know, like everyone was kind. You ask for help,
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: people try to help you, and so yeah, in the
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: same way we thought we were hospitable, we will bring
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: it next level when we settled back. Definitely amazing.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: I'm coming to your place.
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, come along.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: What else something that you two were surprised about? Or
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: you when you set off from your place and you
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: have bid idea of what over landing onto actors and
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: now you're I believe what two years pass in?
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's correct.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: What are some things that surprised you?
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: I start, Yeah, I mean it's pretty The first thing,
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: what we just said is that most people are good,
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: not that I assumed there were only bad people around
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: the world that I had traveled before, but I think
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: I had more fears in people, and I discovered that
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: everywhere people are out to help you. And it's full
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: of amazingly great people who want to live a normal life.
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: And in many countries they're categorized as you know, like
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: potential thief and whatever, like we tag them with whatever words.
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: But most people are good. And the second thing, it's
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: more of a personal challenge. But I thought you would
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: be tiring for me as a human used to a
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: routine to get used to sleep in a different place
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: every night, and I thought I would get tired of that. Really,
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: I really thought that would be kind of the limiting
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: factor and I would need to stop somewhere at some point.
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: But Nicka and I were I think we're part of
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: those of vlenders that move all the time. Maybe we
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: don't cover a lot of distance, but we sleep in
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: a different spot almost every night, and that was not tiring.
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: It was actually great, you know, Like it was not
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: hard to find places to sleep. It was just nice
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: to change garden every day and meet new people and
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: meet new places. And I think the fact that we
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: have a comfortable set up plays a lot in that
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: that I feel comfortable everywhere and moving every night is
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: actually not that much of a challenge.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what about you surprising? Honestly, I did not think
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: you'd become a mechanic at the end of this trip
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: owning a land Rover. Everyone says when you own a
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: land Rover, you'll become a mechanic, and it's it's very true.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: So I did. That was surprising to me of how
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: much I'm going to have to put my hands on
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: and off this car. Something surprising is how you go
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: from a normal vacation of two weeks or three weeks.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: Two I wanted to see everything, all the waterfalls, all
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: the beaches, whatnot. And actually the more you travel, the
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: more you say, well, it's actually the people. And so
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: for me, it was surprising that I had a mind
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: shift going from you know, the speedy, yearly holiday to
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: actually this is you know, bigger than a holiday. Now
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: it's part of the life, and it's actually the people
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: that really makes a difference. And yeah, I think those
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: two were my biggest surprises. And then and then, like
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: Matilt said, it's just people are amazing everywhere. It's we've
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: never had one problem on this whole trip. We've only
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: had one tiny little issue in in South America, but
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: apart from that, it's been incredibly good. So yeah, I'm
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: surprised about that because we were sometimes worrying like, oh,
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: some countries we might have to see what we do.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: Not at all. It's people are great.
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: I think A good example is we have this bonnet bag, yeah,
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: on the bonnet of the car, and it holds just
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: with s clips and velcruz like anyone can open it. Like,
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: by the way, if you listen to this podcast, you
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: can open our bonnet bag. You can steal whatever is inside.
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: And when we left we were in Scandinavia, which has
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: a reputation of being extra safe and there's no thief
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: and whatever. So we thought, okay, we keep it on
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: when we go to sleep only for Scandinavia, and then
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: we will put it inside when we sleep in other countries.
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: We never removed it. We went through all Central America,
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: all of South America. We were parking the car in
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: the streets. No one opened that bonnet bag.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah. People are saying that shovel will be used to
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: break one of your windows, or it will be stolen.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: It's the same shovel since two years and a half
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: and no one's touched it, so it might change, but
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: it might change, but it's just to say, how Yeah,
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: it's pretty safe. The media is really putting a different
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: story out there. And yeah, that was the most surprising.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: I would say, awesome. If you could give your selves
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: advice your past elves, let's say, like the day that
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: you left, what would you say.
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would tell me, don't be scared of people.
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: I mean, we've said it over and over again, but
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: don't be scared of people. That's so cool, Like it's
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: the best memories I have from this trip. And sometimes
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: I would be like, oh no, no, no, I'm scared. I'm
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: scared of Nick would go for it, and I'm so
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: happy you went for it, because like we got some
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: of our best encounters by not being scared of people.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I like this question, Ashley. I think it's a
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: really good one personally. One of the reasons why we
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: left on this trip and we wanted to share our
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: videos online is because we wanted to show whoever's following
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: that it's possible to do what you want and to
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: follow your dreams. And you know, we left, we were
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: twenty seven, twenty eight. We don't we don't have much money,
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: but putting the right mindset, I would tell my younger self, like,
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: if you want to do something, or if you want
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: something in life that's reasonable, you can do it. You
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: just have to put your mindset to it and just
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: go for it and somehow it'll work out. And that's
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: why we did. We said we got to do it.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: Let's go. And you need a deadline because if you
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: don't put a deadline, you will never leave. Because you've
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: got your mom's birthday, you've got your cousin's wedding, you've
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: got your promotion at work. I don't know, so you'll
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: never leave. And so we gave ourselves a deadline and
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: we stuck to it. We just modified it by two days,
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: but that's we stuck to it.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: And a quick announcement of our new Tires for Overlanding
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: educational series that is going to be brought to the
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Expedition Portal YouTube channel. This is a six part series
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: that is going to be released over the months of
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: May and June and it features detailed insights on mud tires,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: all terrains, airing, down driving insand vehicle preparation tread lightly
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: and more, and we're grateful to Handcook Tire for helping
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: to support this new series. So take a look at
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: the Expedition Portal YouTube channel for more details.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: That's good advice. Yeah, that date needs to happen. It's
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: so interesting speaking about the leaving process because it's such
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: a weird, like you have this plan and you think
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: you're like, we're going and you're getting the vehicle ready,
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: and I was just remembering from Bill last time we left,
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: how I had these concerns that once we were gone
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: and went around the road, and this was after doing
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: another full trip like a decade ago, you all have
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: these things in my brain that were like, what about this?
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: Are we going to be okay with this? What about
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: when we go here? Am I going to be comfortable?
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: Is it going to be okay? Where am I going
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: to go to bath? Or means I've already done a trip?
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: You know, like all these things that you're thinking about
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: that when you get on the road don't necessarily even
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: materialize as an issue. It's always like things you don't
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: expect that you're like, okay, now we need to tip
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: it or now we need to adjust.
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, human enough, and we get used to things so easily,
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: you know, like you get used to even when we
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: ship the car somewhere and we end up in an
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: apartment or a house for a little bit, you get
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: used to the comfort again, and you're like, how did
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: I do it? You know, being in the car for
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: a bit, you forget about that. But I think the
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: living process, as you say, is probably the most meaningful.
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: Often people ask us what was the best moment of
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: your trip or the most meaningful moment of your trip.
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: It's impossible to pick one, but if a real meaningful
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: moment is that departure moment. I mean, at least for me,
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: it was. It's striking. It's like you leave an entire
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: load of concerns and like all the things that you
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: drag in new previous life, and you I'm back on
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: something radically new. It's radical as a as a move
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: doing the trip. So for me, my most meaningful moment
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: is probably the departure.
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I would agree totally.
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: It's definitely the contrast between the reality of the departure
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: and the anticipation of it. What do you mean I
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: mean that, you know, like you're like, oh, it's going
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: to be amazing. I'm going to be driving and traveling.
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: But the first phase for us was like crossing Germany
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: on the highway and we slept on a highway stop
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: for tracks and ate mac Donald's. You know, on our
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: first night it was just bad. It was traffic German Highway.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: You're like, I'm leaving on a road.
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's true. Good memories of that. Yep,
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: I was your first day. Did you also leave like thinking, oh, yeah,
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: I'm right away, I'll be on top of the mountains
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: or whatever, and then you end up being outside of
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: the I mean, I don't know.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. Okay, So the first time when we left,
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: it was twenty thirteen, I think, and we were in
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: our our pickup, our Toyota pick up with this rooftop
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: tent that we had never used. And so the first
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: night that we slept out in the wilderness in the
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: rooptop tent was the first day of the trip, and
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: it was super windy. Yeah, it was just like whoa,
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: this is weird. And we had all like rubber maid
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: containers with all our stuff, and I had this huge
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: rolly suitcase with us, and like we had so much
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: like stop and yeah, but I just remember feeling. It
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: wasn't amaz feeling leaving. I think we were late, even
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: though we did have a deadline. But yeah, what a
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: crazy feeling that was. And then the most recent one,
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: I honestly don't even remember the day. I think we
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: were in Montana and we sort of left more from
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: like Exoverlands shop because we had issues with our truck
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: and steps, So it wasn't like we're relieving Canada. We
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: were actually leaving from Montana to go and it was
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: a little more. It was a little bit harder to
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: say goodbye this time to everybody than it was last
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: time for some reason. So it's interesting this like psychological
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: whatever mind game of every time you live is a
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: completely different experience and you're a different person, and it's
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: just kind of a fascinating process though it is.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: And one thing that we find really interesting to go
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: along the way you said, is if you try to think,
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: because you left in twenty thirteen, that's a long time.
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: That's awesome. It's still awesome to hear that you're still
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: traveling and enjoying it. But if you were to think
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: of like a specific day, right, because you're like so
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: stimulated doing so much travel. If I was to just
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: throw you a specific day, like I don't know, September seventh,
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: twenty eighteen, You've done a big travel, so it might
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: be harder, but you might be able to remember what
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: happened on that day. You know, if you were to
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: just look at a picture on your phone of that day,
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: it'll maybe give you a reminder of what happened that day,
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: and then you'd be able to give us the whole day.
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: And that's why we've noticed with Matilda is on this travel,
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: like if you were to tell me seventh September twenty eighteen,
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: we won't know what we did. But if I was
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: to look at a photo and we were I don't know,
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: it's somewhere in Canada, and I look at it, I'm like, wow, Yeah,
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: I remember that day, and I'd be able to give
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: you the whole morning till evening, just because there's so
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: much happening. It's not routine, you know, and every day
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: is special. And so that's something we thought with Matila.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: Right goodness, So this is awesome. You know. Everything we
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: do is what we want one hundred percent, and so
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: we'll remember.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: All of it.
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the whole. Like memory process is probably the most striking.
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: Like I think you remember not only the day, you
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: remember the entire week, and you can continue like telling
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: your story from that week onward, like for the entire year.
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: It's so weird.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: It is weird because you're constantly having novel experiences, which
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: is I think an unusual thing now. But at the
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: same time, it's like you forget sometimes where you've come
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: from that like okay, yeah, yeah, like at a checkpoint
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: or something. And this happened to us a lot in
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: South America. Really friendly high wait throw or whatever. Police
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: with pull us over and be like okay, where have
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: you come from? And we're like yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: The memory process, that's so interesting, very different way of
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: life than before when you guys were working city with
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: office jobs. I'm sure, Pour, Maybe tell me a bit
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: about your route, so you were you departed obviously you
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: went through Germany. Maybe you give by a little bit
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: of an overview of what you've done so far and
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: we're headed next.
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: Yep, sounds good. So we left on April eighteen, twenty
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: twenty two, so two days after Easter, and we had
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: done a big departure party with all of our friends,
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: and we had done Scandinavia for about two months, so Denmark, Sweden,
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: Norway and Finland, and then we shipped from Germany to Canada,
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: crossed all of it up to Alaska and prude O
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: Bay to the top top and drove all the way
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: down till Ushuaia, which is in Argentina, all at the
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: bottom of South America, and we drove the wholeway. We
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: did one shipment from Panama to Columbia, and then we
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: went to Antarctica. We went to see the penguins. We
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: went dough the polar plunge, which means jumping in the
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: water at minus one celsius because saltwater freezes below that
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: direct thing around minus two celsius. We slept on ice
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: one evening and then came back to Shuya and drove
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: to Buenos Aires, where we shipped the car to Australia,
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: which we are now. So this would be for US
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: continent five country twenty eighth and the objective is to
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: do all seven continents, so we're missing Asia and Africa,
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: and to finish Australia obviously, and about eighty eight countries
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: in total, so sixty more to go. It was supposed
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: to be a three year trip. We've extended it to
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: four years because there's just too much to see and
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: we're a bit slowered than scheduled, which is normal and
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: totally fine.
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: And let's be honest, it's going to be five probably five, yeah, exactly,
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: And so yeah, we will see.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: We still have sixty countries, but Asia has a lot
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: of smaller countries which might go a little faster. But
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: we'll see how it goes. And we've got tons of
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: ideas of what will happen in the next few years.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: We've got tons of ideas what will happen after the
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: after the trip. But yeah, that's that's kind of where
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: we're at. And we want to finish the whole trip
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: with the same car, and that's why I'm making sure
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: we're on top of the maintenance and learning everything about
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: the car or how it works and what should be
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: fixed or not.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: Good call, good call. Yeah. Question I have for you,
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: were you able to do Antarcticle on a budget or
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: was that somewhere you were like, you know what, this
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: is worth splashing out, let's just budget for it.
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: So for Antarctica, we try to get collaborations because it
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: was completely out of our budget, completely, but we wanted
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: to do the Seven Continents, so we really put our
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: minds to it and said, you know what, we want
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: to go there. Let's try and see if a shipping
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: a ship company wants to bring us there in exchange
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: for videos. And that's what happened. So we did pay
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: a certain fee. We got a big discount, but we
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: still paid a fee to go head on the boat,
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: and that helped us dearly get to Antarctica because it
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: was just otherwise way too expensive.
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: But then we learned also you have those last minute
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: deals that are pretty interesting, especially those days, because they
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: have more and more ships going there, so they're trying
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: to fill up the boats at the last minute, and
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: it seems there was space, like you can get deals.
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: I mean, it remains expensive, but I think there's deals
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: between three and four.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: K, four and four and a half k a very
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: good deal.
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: On last minutes. Yeah, and there seems to be ticket
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: if anyone is interested in listening, Like it's it's a
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: pretty like good chance that you get a spot on
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: the boats, especially those days. From what we heard. Nice.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that is like a I think the word once
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: in a lifetime opportunity to talk around a lot, but
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: that I think that truly is the ones in the lifetime.
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: It's really unique. It's really really unique. And the only
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: advice we can give is to make sure you pick
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: a small boat that allows you for a lot of
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: activities because a lot of the bigger boats they're very
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: luxurious and brand new and they've got all the services
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: you want, but they don't let you go on excursions,
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: so you just see everything off the boat. On the boat.
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: I mean that our boat we had two excursions per day,
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: so every morning and every afternoon we would go on land,
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: we would go khaking, we would sleep on land, we
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: would do the polar plunge. So much happening, and it
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: was a smaller boat so we had more time to
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: actually do stuff. And yeah, so the one we went
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: with is Polar Latitudes and they're incredible. Ash you can
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: decide or not to put this in there, but we
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: do have a promo code of one thousand dollars per
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: person just next Meridian. But we do also want to
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: say that it's really really advantages if you get the
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: last minute deal, which is two weeks prior to a departure,
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: because the price is compared to fifteen K or ten K,
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: it's four K, which is really good. Yeah.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: Did it leave from Isha or did you leave from somewhere.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: Else at least from USA?
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: Yep, fantastic, fantastic. The other thing I've been dying to
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: ask you guys about is the shipping process to Australia,
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: because I know they have these really, really really strict
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: rules about vehicle shipping and the state and cleanliness of
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: the vehicle. How did you navigate that.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: I'm kind of glad you asked that question because we're
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: still laughing about this one. It's crazy. You know, in
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: our all around the world, you'll see a lot of
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: foreign vehicle plates numbers when you're driving around. In Australia,
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: we haven't seen any yet, and that's because a lot
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: of people just by one here. It's much easier and cheaper.
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: So what we did, because we wanted Albatross to be
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: in Australia, is we bought ten tooth brushes. We bought
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: a mask like a swimming goggles mask. We bought a
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: lot of degrees since and we just went for it.
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: We rented the pressure.
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: Washer pressure washer, and we did all of this in Argentina.
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: Before shipping the car, and I was under the car
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: with my mask and the pressure washers, having grease, oil
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: fall in my face and mud, and with a toothbrush
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: going literally through every little bolt and crack and anything.
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: Everything had to be spotless, and Matilda was doing everything above.
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: So the inside of the vehicle were removed, all the shelves,
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: all the furniture that was attached outside and inside, and
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: cleaned everything. We removed some of the mats just to
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: clean under the mat and re superglue them down to
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: the car. The engine was probably horrible too. Matilda was
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: there with a little you know, those little toothpick toothpicks,
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: and she was going through the radiators just removing every
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: fly one by one, just so that you know, because
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: yeah no, and then cleaning every single host. And so
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: we worked, and we did this with a good friend
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: of ours, Tom, who we met through the America as
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: he's a legend and became today one of our really
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: good friends. Whoever follows you'll know who we're talking about.
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: But he did the job with us, so he had
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: his own defender, and we spent eight days, eight am
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: to eight pm every day, and we had swollen fingers
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: cuts everywhere, and we wouldn't stop NonStop, And that's what
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: it takes to get your car to Australia. I would
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: think a little less what we did, maybe it would
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: be fine. But yeah, it's it's a real hassle, but
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: it's worth it.
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: It is thet like it requires in depth cleaning, probably
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: more than you've ever cleaned your car. But I think
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: we probably overdid it a tiny bit because we were
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: not sure, and because also there's a bit of a
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: legend around shipping to Australia. Like I think there's a
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: lot of people who say it's impossible, you never get
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: in cry and tin in your vehicle. It's going to
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: be that you have a lot of like bad omens
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: around like shaming sending a vehicle to Australia. But when
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: we sent it, we actually got in contact with a
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: few people who had like shipped their vehicles who are
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: not necessarily you know, online or on social media, and
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: they were like, oh, I shipped it too. I didn't
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: clean as much, but I cleaned, you know, and they
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: went through. So we don't say that like you can
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: ship eat as any country and you don't have to
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: do the effort but I think what we also learned
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: is that sure it's expensive, show it requires some extra work,
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: but there's.
• 46:57
  Speaker 6: Also some urban legends going around that discourage you from
• 47:02
  Speaker 6: shipping your vehicle, when in the end, I think it's
• 47:05
  Speaker 6: much more visible than what people say around.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, their additional rules in Australia about how old your
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: vehicle can be or is it nearly the cleanliness that
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: they're worried about.
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: I think that age was okay. It was mostly the aspestos,
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: so like old vehicles would have a lot of asbestos
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: and so you might get flagged. Ours is twenty twelve,
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: so I think from two thousand and one in Europe
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: they stopped asbestos, so anything after that they kind of
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: just ignore. But if you have a two thousand and
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: earlier from Europe you might be Yeah, they might. I
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: don't think they'll check you because the agent's always told
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: us if you're coming under a carnate passage, which is
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: the only way you can get in Australia is the
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: first country we needed a carne They said, if you
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: come under that, they won't even check for aspestos because
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: they know you'll leave and so you'll be fine. But again,
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: these are all babies, you know, we don't. We don't.
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: We didn't get checked, so you don't know.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: And then how did you get the vehicle when it's
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: all crystal clean to the port getting all like say,
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: it rains and you need to drive through a puddle
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: in order to get to the port.
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: Welled before that's happened to who before to you?
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean it wasn't Australia, but it was
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: still an issue, so I was curious how you supported it.
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So for us, we actually did it in Argentina,
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: but our shipping was from Uruguay. But it's just across
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: the sea on a ferry, and so we drove super
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: slowly through town. We got to the ferry on the
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: other side, we did a last little powerwash just to
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: get off a little bit of the dust. It wasn't
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: really mud anything, but just dust. And then luckily it
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: was a sunny day, not when dry, and so we
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: drove super slowly to port. And because we're shaving to Australia.
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: If we're shaving to Europe, US or elsewhere, we would
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: have just chipped it. But Australia we came with a
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: few sponges, a little bucket of water, and we just
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: cleaned the tires and a little bit the fenders and
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: then most importantly like the floor mats and the petals
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: because we've been stepping on those while we're driving. And
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: that's it.
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we looked a bit of wind backet and sponges
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: on the port, but you know, we just cleaned it up.
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: But I have to say we got some shiva's when
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: there was like the wind blowing with the trees in
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: Montevideo and Uruguay and we saw some flowers falling in
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: our car and we were like.
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: Oh no, yeah, yeah, my goodness to use this shipping
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: agent and shipping company off were that process.
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: Didn't plan to kind of face you safe when I
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: get nine track, we lost you. Actually we're back now.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: One more time. So you obviously use a shipping company
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: with a shipping agent for the process to take the
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: vehicle to Australia.
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's correct. We always do that. We always get
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: an agent and we always ship it with a broker
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: on each side. We've never done it any other way.
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: I think you can. It's just really hard and just
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: a lot of hassle. But we have heard of someone
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: doing it, but it took him forever, so I don't
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: know if it's worth it.
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they have the expertise as well about the little
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: details that you you might miss. One thing that's yeah,
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: then is obvious, but for you you have no idea.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: So it's always I don't know, we've had good death.
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: But how long like what was the experience like? And
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: then how long did the vehicle take.
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: The experience for Australia, Well, it's the shipping out was
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: pretty good. The arrival was a little bit longer because
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: Australia was you know, they had to check every little
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: thing they needed to check the car, but then they
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: also asked us to put all of our belongings, like
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: literally all of our belongings into a into car cartoon boxes.
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: And so these cartoon boxes had to be non food products.
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: They must have just been there to carry I don't know,
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: some sort of that they didn't products, I mean cartoons
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: that didn't get contaminated by food, by seeds, by anything.
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: So they had to be clean cartoons otherwise that would flag.
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: And so they had to check every single box to
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: make sure that we had three actually three chargers, that
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: we actually had one I don't know drone that we
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: actually had whatever, and so they needed to know everything
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: and itemize it. So that took us probably almost I
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: would say almost two weeks of delay just sitting there
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: at poor and being checked. And then there was just
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: two natural weeks of delay because of ships and you know,
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: moving containers from one ship to the next. We had
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: to actually wait almost a month in Perth, Australia till
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: our car was delivered. But the day was delivered in Australia,
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: you need to go to road expection and all that
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: that you don't need to do in other countries. But
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: we needed to do road inspection and had to go
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: get it roadworthy. But then once it was set, first
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: thing we did is full speed into a puddle. We said,
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: you know what we're not we're here to have final Australia.
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: We're not going to keep the car clean. And so
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: we found a puddle and went straight for it. And
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: then that way we're like, okay, now we're ready for Australia.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: Amazing. See how long did the vehicle take on the water.
• 52:47
  Speaker 5: I think it's it's four to six weeks.
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: I think it was six weeks.
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: I think six weeks officially. But then there's some sort
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: of layover for containers that was happening in Singapore and
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: the first ship missed the layover and so we had
• 53:04
  Speaker 5: another two weeks of delay. So two months on water
• 53:09
  Speaker 5: for us.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah, I feel like crepure shipping a vehicle,
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: you always kind of have to expect it's going to belding. Yeah.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: So yeah, Wow, that's a that's a whole. That's cool.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: I'm sure that you feel it's worth it now now
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: that you're there.
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, totally, because we were going to come to the
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: region and one of the parts of the trip we're
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: really excited about is actually to ferry along the Indonesian
• 53:38
  Speaker 5: islands and so you know, using Australia as a starting
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: point for that is the best because you know, doing
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: it as a loop in South Eastsia we'd feel a
• 53:49
  Speaker 5: bit weird. But here, like we're going to live from
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: Darwin and just go from island to island, and I
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: think it's parts that are a bit less explored with
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: overlanding vehicles. It should be really exciting to see how
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: that works.
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: M Yeah, I'll be eagerly following along for sure. Uh yeah.
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: I have another question for you about how you balance
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: like the tasks of overlanding, so like dishes, and I
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: feel like dishes always comes to mind because they always
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: like camps up and tear down, cleaning, grocery, shopping, laundry,
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: hand washing things with you a YouTube channel, so you're
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: filming videos and driving and figuring out what to do next,
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: like planning. How do you balance all of those things?
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's it's it's a lot of work, but
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: it's all passion, so all of it becomes pleasure and
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: none of it feels like homework, homework or anything except
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: for dish washing. Except for dish washing that always feels horrible.
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: Sometimes we just wish we had carts and plates, but
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: that's just bad. So yeah, no, we we actually try
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: and keep it fair. So for example, when it comes
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: to the normal data stuff like keeping the car clean,
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: cooking things like that, we usually balance out. Sometimes Matil
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: cleans and then I'll do the you know, the food,
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: and then someone else does the dishes. We usually always
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: try to be tidy in the evenings, just so that
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: we're ready to go if anything happens in an evening.
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: We don't leave the dishes for the next morning. We
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: don't leave the car all open, we put away everything,
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: and if the next morning we have to pull it
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: all out again, well we'll do that. When it comes
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: to the videos, well we split kind of the work.
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: Matild's better at portraying YouTube videos and creating a journey
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: and a mood out of it that I was less
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: good at. So Matilda is doing the YouTube and I
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: was better at creating stories and keeping up with Instagram
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: posts and reels. So we kind of naturally split the work.
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: We didn't do it from day one saying this is
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: what you're doing, this is what I do. It's kind
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: of progressively as time went. And so Matilda's a YouTube.
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: I do kind of the Instagram and the planning and
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: the mechanics, and then when it comes to daily car stuff,
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: we both we both do it. It just it just
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: depends on the day and the mood and whatnot.
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: But I mean, I think that's you're very good at that.
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: Like we set up some like habits, so Nick is
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: cleaning the car every time we stop, like he, I
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: think you like it. Also, you put yourself in a
• 56:35
  Speaker 5: kind of transition mood, you know of like just cleaning
• 56:38
  Speaker 5: all of the little part of the car. And then
• 56:40
  Speaker 5: I would start cooking for example. You know, like it's
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: just like little habits that are now ingrained. And and
• 56:46
  Speaker 5: because everything is so small, you everything is not fast.
• 56:50
  Speaker 5: So as long as everything has a spot and you
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: take it out at the right moment. I don't know,
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: it's like muscle memory almost. No, we don't really think
• 56:58
  Speaker 5: about it, you know, wrapping up the car, opening it up.
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: We both have a job and we just like get
• 57:03
  Speaker 5: it going. And yeah, and for the rest, like I think,
• 57:09
  Speaker 5: in the same way like small habits. I mean, Nick
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: is very organized, so we kind of like set up
• 57:14
  Speaker 5: processes for us. And it's really good for me because
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: I'm very disorganized. So I have some sort of like
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: past that I really got used to. And then Nick
• 57:23
  Speaker 5: saved every recommendation on a map, for example, every time
• 57:26
  Speaker 5: we talk to someone, a little yellows down our Google maps,
• 57:29
  Speaker 5: and so when it comes to the itinery, then you
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: open the map and you're like, okay, what's next on
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: my map? You know, And it's not like, oh, I
• 57:37
  Speaker 5: have to do an extra number of research. You still
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: have to do it when we went to a new country,
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: but usually you have a whole lot of dots already
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: from the recommendations. So I think it's setting up small
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: habits probably that help balancing out.
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I would say the hardest and the first
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: thing that we needed to get used to, and I
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: think it's true for a lot of travelers is the rhythm.
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: And it took us. I think I still remember it
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: took us like four months to get into what was
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: our rhythm? Yeah, you know, what time do we wake up,
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: what time we start driving? How many hours do we drive?
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: Do we hike in the morning or do we hike
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: in the afternoon. Do we eat lunch sandwiches or do
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: we cook in the evenings? What time do we want
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: to stop? Are we going sunset or not doing sunset?
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: Are we sleeping at ten or are we sleeping at midnight?
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: And all these small things. It seems basic, but the
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: whole your whole life change. You know, you're not going
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: from a job nine to five. Your whole life is different.
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: It's things to do every day, and it took us
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: almost four months to figure out, you know, what was
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: the best time for us, what was the speed, what
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: was the When are we working on YouTube? When are
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: we uploading our videos? When are we whatever? Everything had
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: to kind of mold itself into our new project, which
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: was the World Tour, and it took us I remember,
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: four months, and then at fourth month we're like, this
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: feels pretty good. Yeah, and yeah.
• 59:00
  Speaker 5: It's a hot one and everyone's different for that.
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can completely relate and understand.
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't imagine.
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: You have seasonal and like time zone differences and daylight exactly. Yeah,
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: so those things you're kind of always adapting when you're
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: going to different places or if it's summer or if
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: it's winter, it's fall, like things always change. You're adapting.
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: But what have you found to be like a really
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: solid way of traveling for you in terms of the rhythm.
• 59:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So to make it really easy, we we try
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: to wake up early, so try to he tries. I try,
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: and then I drag Matilda out of bed so times.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: But six thirty we try to wake up, you know,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: and start the day a little bit early. Maybe we
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: try to have wheels turning by maybe eight. We try
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: to have small light breakfast or something quick. We're not
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: cooking bacon and eggs. We are kind of the ones
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: that just do yogurt and fruits and just kind of
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: just get going and we like to do activities or
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: driving in the morning. For lunch, it's quickly sandwich or salad,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: just something quick, not cooking, not pulling out any stoves
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: or anything. We're just you know, putting cold food together
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: and eating that. And the afternoon would be either driving
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: or activity. So the idea is to do maybe half
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: day of driving or half day and a half day
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: of activity, and then the evenings we like to stop
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: maybe around four pm, maybe two hours before the light
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: goes down, So I say four pm because you're in
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: a straight as down by six, but when it was
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: you know, light till eleven pm, we would probably stop
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: around six or seven and then set up camp, start
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: cooking and eat when sunset is happening, and then have
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: all the dishes cleaned before the night falls. It's just
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: we personally prefer that just because then it's so hard
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: and everything's kind of everywhere, and then having the whole
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: car packed up just before sun is completely gone, or
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: let's say the darkness is here, and that way we're
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: in the car and ready for the second phase of
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: our day, I guess, which is editing videos and working
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: on the social media, catching up on admin, preparing the
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: itinery things like that. So I would say that's kind
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: of our rhythm. But we've met so many people and
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: I've noticed that We've noticed that the ones you can
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: travel with the easiest of the people that have the
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: closest rhythm to you, and you are flexible, but you're
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: flexible for a certain amount of time. There's some people
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: we loved so much, but after maybe a week or two,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: it was just becoming a little difficult, stressful, and so
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: we'd split up sometimes. But the person that has the
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: same rhythm, and we ended up finding one that had
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: the exact same rhythm. His name was and we ended
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: up traveling with him practically the whole Pan American We
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: just you know, sometimes you would do his thing and
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: we would do ours, and we'd meet up again, and
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: it just makes it extremely easy. But anyone's different, and
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: everything's fine, just different.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 5: There's a little change we want to implement also now
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 5: because we have quite a bit of work with the
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 5: YouTube videos and social media and like all the side
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 5: projects we have, and to free time on those of
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 5: those evenings. So that's new we're trying. We're going to
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 5: try to take like maybe a day per week in
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 5: a place we really like where we feel we want
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: to do maybe like two nights because it's a very
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 5: nice camp spot, for example, and maybe have a day
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 5: of like you know, absorbing some of these big work
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 5: so that the rest of the week we have much
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 5: less to do in the evening. So that's maybe if
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 5: we had to think about a change. We've not done
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 5: it for like two years and more. We're going to
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 5: try to implement that to free some evenings for like
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 5: more fun stuff. Yeah.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: I don't know about you actually, since you're doing a
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: lot of podcasts and you're writing articles and how does
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: it work. You guys feel like you're getting sucked into
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: this black hole of you know, all the social media
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: stuff and then it's like I don't have time anymore
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: to do other stuff. Yeah.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been quite an interesting process. The first trip
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: we weren't working, which was stressful in its own way,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: and then this trip where we definitely have like a
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: pretty good workload. But it goes in phases, so sometimes
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: I will just prioritize doing the traveling things, you know,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: like we'll focus a lot on hiking. If I don't
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: have a bunch of deadlines for overland journal coming up,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: I will use that time and then sometimes it's more
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: of a French time. But we do move very slowly,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: and I feel like we for the Pan America trip,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: we were moved being probably close to every day, but
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: on this trip we're not at all like that's not happening,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: like we would be staying like we're three days in
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: one spot maybe or but yeah, yeah, it's such it's
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: an adjustment. Yeah, and we're still trying to figure it out.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: And exercise is like one of the things that can
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: be really tricky when you're traveling, so we're trying to
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: prioritize that as well. So yeah, it's you just have
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: to go slow.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's very easy. It's very Yeah, it's
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: very it's not very it's very hard. It's very hard
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: to figure out what is the right rhythm and you
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: know how to make everything fit and enjoy when you're
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: doing social media. If you're not doing social media, then
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: I think it's easier. It's just that your trip probably
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: ends faster because you don't have all the finances. But
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: if you want to keep doing it, and that's why
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: we make the videos, is because we want to share
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: the world. But we also want to keep traveling, So.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's important. But yeah, the social media is
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: an interesting one I've been thinking a lot about lately.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: And I don't know how this is for you guys,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: but it's easy obviously to get stucked into it, and
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: for me if it's a really fun place to see
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: what people are up to or look for potential story
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: ideas or podcast gets. But it's also like you're you're
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: traveling in this amazing way and you want to kind
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: of absorb it all and you have to kind of
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: like limit your time. And I've been trying instead of
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: like opening Instagram to like open my book. I think
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: like Richard's trying to do that too, Like I've started
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: reading so much more and that's really helped. But yeah,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: my relationship with Instagram here one, I'm like, what am
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: I doing on here? And I don't understand. Yeah, but
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: for you guys, like there's a very specific purpose to
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: your content and your videos and what you're hosting and
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: to continue traveling, but also to inspire other peop Also, yeah.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think you know about I think a
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 5: question we get often about like the social media work
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 5: and just the fact of filming and taking pictures all
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 5: the time. It's like, ah, but isn't that taking you
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 5: away from the trip itself, from the place you are,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 5: from the people you're with. And I don't, I mean personally,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 5: I don't have that feeling in most instances. And I
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 5: think we met that traveler once in Finland and he
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: gave me the best explanation ever. And that's what I
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 5: also feel is he was telling me I travel a lot,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 5: and I realized that taking pictures is forcing me to
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: have that motivation to always find the intriguing element, the
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 5: unique element in the place. For us, like feel the
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 5: same everywhere around the world, like in some ways or another,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 5: but when I have to take pictures of them, I
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 5: have to find why this forest is different from the
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 5: one that was next to it, or you know, like
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 5: at the other side of the country. And so I
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 5: think taking videos and taking pictures with people of landscapes
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 5: or of different countries is the same thing. Like when
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 5: you travel a lot, you're hyper, You're like always seeing
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 5: new stuff. So waterfall and then another one and another one.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 5: You can get bought of stuff, you know, like when
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 5: you're like, oh my god, I've seen twenty waterfalls, why
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 5: would I be interested in this one. It looks smaller,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 5: but taking pictures, taking videos, you're like, oh, why is
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 5: it different? You know, like you kind of challenge yourself
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 5: to always find the uniqueness in the place. And I
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 5: think in our way we feel that, Yeah, the social
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 5: media work there, taking videos, the documenting, all of that
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 5: is challenging us. You know, even after two years and
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: a half, we're still not tired of taking those pictures
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 5: and taking those videos for that specifically, and that it
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 5: challenges us to find what's unique about each place.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, completely, Yeah.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: I think it's also valuable in a sense that you
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: can only take so much gin and so the brain
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: can only handle so much. So if you're taking a
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: picture or you're doing video, when you go back to
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: it later, that is like the ultimate form of a membrane.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe that's maybe that's like some people
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: would disagree, but it's like it just goes in and
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: then it goes out, and my memory is that. So
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: those photos to look back on or those videos to
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: look back on, Wow, that's really special and it's another
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: way of reading being there again in the future.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 4: I guess, oh, completely completely. And the reason why we
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: prefer doing videos and photos is because it would be
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 4: harder for us to scroll through five hundred thousand photos
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: of four years of travel, because I think after the
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 4: fiftieth photo will be like, oh, it's taking so long
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: that if we were watching one of our episodes, it'd
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 4: be like, hey, everyone want to, you know, remember what
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: we did in Norway or whatever. We would go back
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 4: on YouTube and there's a three episodes of or whatever.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: I don't know how many, but we could watch one
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 4: of the episodes of Norway and it will bring us
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: all the memories back in just twenty thirty minutes. And
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: so we said, uh, yeah, YouTube is good. And for us,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: the filming is not something we plan because we're the
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: trip is the trip, and then the filming is what
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: helps us keep the trip alive. And so we have
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 4: no idea what's coming up next week. I mean, sure,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 4: I know the itinery and I know where we're going,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 4: but we don't know what that National park actually has
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 4: to offer. We don't know who we're gonna meet. We
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: don't know if we're going to break down, we don't
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: know if we're going to fall, we don't know if
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 4: we're whatever. And so every day it's kind of you
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: know what's going to happen, and so we always keep
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: the camera closed because there's always something spectacular. And some
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 4: videos are good because a lot of fun stuff happened,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: and some videos are less funny because we've just been
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: driving for three days on a highway trying to get
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 4: to the next place. So it's it's so varied, but yeah.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, very cool. What are your favorite books.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 5: Recently? I love a book called Barbaric Days. I'm really bad.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 5: I have a really bad memory. I would KNIGHTE need
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 5: to find the author.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 4: Kindle.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 5: It's a it's a book written by a journalist and
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 5: he grew up between California and Hawaii, and he has
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 5: a passion for surfing that no one's knows because he's
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 5: been traveling, documenting on political events, et cetera. And he's
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 5: is guiding us through his journey of surfing as a
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 5: young kid and young adults and learning how to serve
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 5: and chapter after chapter, chapter we go from his journalistic
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 5: path and writing past and his surfing path when he
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 5: was younger, and you see his approach to growth through
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 5: his learning of the ocean and through his learning of
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 5: like traveling and like chapter after chapter and I just
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 5: love how smooth it is and how he talks about
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 5: like development of character through those two passions, and the
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 5: surfing is kind of this hidden secrete secret as an
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 5: adult that he has, but it really tells through the
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 5: book how much it like developed him. I don't know.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 5: I just love the connection to the ocean and how
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 5: like the character develops. And it's a biography. I'm going
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 5: to find the hotel. It's William Finnigan.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: Fantastic. I'm going to add that to my list, like
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: Ado sounds and there. How about you.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 4: On my end, I'm not a huge book reader, to
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: be honest. I'm more of a podcast Yeah, so what
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 4: I mean. Two of the podcasts I really enjoy is Invisibilia,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 4: just because they have tons of really interesting topics about everything.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: They will just pick an idea and they'll just make it,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: you know, a challenge to make it a podcast and
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: to do all of the history of it, get the
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: scientifics to talk about it, get all the data, and
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: then spin it off into a full story and then
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: with a conclusion. And so what I like about Invisibilia
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 4: is just whatever topic, crazy idea you can get in
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 4: your mind so I can just give you an example,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: which I think was my personal personal favorite. It was
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: called Poop Friends, and so it's uh, so there's tons.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 4: This is just a silly one, right, but there's so many.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: And so it just explains to you the whole history
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 4: of why poop is a taboo to talk about or
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 4: not to talk about, and why some have friends and
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 4: some don't have friends to talk about poo. And so
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 4: they give you the whole story with scientific data, with history,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: with they do interviews and it all becomes a story
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 4: and it lasts about forty minutes to an hour. Some
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: are much longer. But anyway, there's tons of weird and
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 4: you know, old stories and new stories. So that's one
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 4: of my podcasts. And then the other one is Against
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 4: the Odds. They just take books and just repeat them
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry stories, survival stories and just puts them into
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 4: podcasts and we love those, especially on long driving days.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 4: We just listen to those. When Matilda's reading a book,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: I'll just listen to those. So I'm more of a
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: listener than a reader personally.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: Nice. Yeah, we all learn and enjoy that kind of thing,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: like story information differently. So I love the podcast and
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: audio recommendations as well. Well, thank you guys so much
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  Speaker 3: for coming on the podcast. It's been super fun and
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  Speaker 3: I really look forward to seeing where you go now
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  Speaker 3: xt and what you discover next, and yeah, where can
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  Speaker 3: people find you online?
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  Speaker 4: So we are next Marian Expedition. The name is the
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  Speaker 4: same everywhere on YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, Patreon, and yeah the
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 4: podcast anything you google it will be always on the
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  Speaker 4: Next Maria Expedition. And I think that's about it. That's
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  Speaker 4: that's us and Ashley, thank you very much for having us.
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  Speaker 4: We really enjoyed it. We're also curious on where you'll
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  Speaker 4: be going because we do want to cross paths with you,
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  Speaker 4: so hopefully I don't know which which direction you're going.
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  Speaker 4: Are you going towards Southeast Asia or you're going down
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  Speaker 4: to Africa or maybe you don't know?
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  Speaker 3: Great question I don't know the answer to.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, okay, that's the right an, okay, gotch whatsoever.
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  Speaker 3: We're actually trying to figure out what we're going to
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  Speaker 3: do this winter, like do you embrace winter or do
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  Speaker 3: you run from winter? And we have Shanngan rules to
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  Speaker 3: keep in mind as well as Canadians, so for listeners
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  Speaker 3: that aren't familiar with Shang and that just means that
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  Speaker 3: we get ninety out of one hundred and eighty days
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  Speaker 3: within the Shangan just covers a lot of European countries,
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  Speaker 3: so we be out at certain times. So I don't
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  Speaker 3: know what we were kind of thinking, maybe Turkey like
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  Speaker 3: south and for winter if we don't want to deal
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  Speaker 3: with the cold temperatures. But yeah, it's a really good question.
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  Speaker 3: Originally we were thinking Solk Road, so yeah, stay tuned,
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  Speaker 3: and yeah, it would be great to meet you guys
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  Speaker 3: in real life along the way.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, one hundred perfect. So the mysterious direction will
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  Speaker 4: be we'll have to follow to find out exactly.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, all, and if listeners have any questions on the
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  Speaker 5: journey or like shipping to Australia things like this, we
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  Speaker 5: try to answer everyone who's a politely asking questions on
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  Speaker 5: social media, So yeah, if you want to ask questions,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 5: just say hi and we try to answer as much
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  Speaker 5: as possible.
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  Speaker 3: Fantastic, Well beast of walk with your journey. Thank you
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  Speaker 3: again for taking your time, and thank you so much
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: to the Overrun Journal podcast listeners for tuning in to
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: this episode. I hope you've enjoyed it and we will
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  Speaker 3: see you next time.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you everyone,