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Freeeeedom! | William Wallace · Beheaded

• 0:04
  SPEAKER_00: Hello and welcome to Beheaded.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_00: Hi everybody, all you execution fans out there.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_00: Executionados, as I've uh called some of you.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_00: I like that.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_00: Executionados.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_00: This is already season one, episode eight.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'm Megan Moore.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm Elizabeth Black.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, episode eight.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_00: Let's do this.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_00: We did it.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're ready.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_00: We uh we referenced this in the last episode, but we are going to do William Wallace today.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_01: You really, I think started if if you didn't listen to the last episode, I highly recommend you going back.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_01: But you really gave a good sneak preview that got us all excited to talk about this.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_00: I like that you say sneak preview, like I was like uh next to the case.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't planned.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it really wasn't planned though.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's true.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, not much of a teaser.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_00: I straight up told you what this was gonna be about.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_00: So I hope you've been excited on Pins and Needles for two weeks, ready for William Wallace.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_01: We uh, in the honor of the Scots tonight, we are drinking Scotch.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_01: Scotch for the Scots.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, blended Scotch whiskey.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_00: This is Cuddy Sark.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_00: And it says the spirit of adventure lives in us all.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_00: Blah blah blah blah blah.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_00: Ooh, actually, this is a really good description that I should read because it actually ties in very well.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_00: So the bottom says, Our actions define who we are, and then it says, It is the courage of our convictions, the mark of true character, and the desire to be different.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_00: It is the original easy drinking scotch.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_00: That is the perfect for the description of William Wallace right there.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_00: No lie, we didn't read this until just now, and this is perfect.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_00: This is a I read it in the grocery store actually.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't even plan this.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_01: I mean I went on purpose because it says like made in Scotland, about the freedom of Scotland.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_01: I thought it was.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_00: I'm glad you noticed it.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_00: It was very intentional on my behalf.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_01: We do a really good job of these things.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um, okay, so we have our scotch.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_01: And you know what the scotch went really well with that I made a really good like artesian dinner for Elizabeth.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_01: Uh in our last episode, we had mentioned Salisbury steak, the Link cuisine version nonetheless.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I come into Megan's today, and lo and behold, she's like, I have a surprise for you.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_00: Which is becoming a theme now, I think, when we start podcasting night.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know why, but we always just sort of like, oh, I got this thing, or like Elena prepared this dish or whatever.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_00: Something to look forward to.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_00: Something to look forward to, I guess.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_00: It just gets us excited to start doing everything together.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but so she brings me over and she's like, Look what I made.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_00: And it's a like, what is it?
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_00: Marie calendars?
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_00: Lil No, it's on lean cuisine, right?
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_00: So I wanted the lean cuisine one.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_01: However, I this really isn't for reasons of being like health conscious or I don't know, like I really don't have any like passion towards this.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_01: But are you saying she's not fat and she doesn't need to lose weight?
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm saying I don't have a microwave.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_01: And lean cuisines, it said all over the box, like do not put in the oven.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_01: This is microwave only.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I was afraid it would like burn down my townhouse and melt everything.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_01: I think she should you should question any food that says do not put in the oven.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_01: So the Marie calendars had a conventional oven uh cooking version.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I know if for anyone who hasn't tried living without a microwave, I promise it's possible.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_01: You can do it, and it just forces me more to not eat like frozen quick things.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_01: Even like I have an air popper instead of a you know microwave popcorn, but there's an out for everything.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_01: You forget, like the microwaves are not that like old of a 70s?
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like the 70s, I think.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_00: So anyway, I'm going on.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_00: That's actually a good no good point, though.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_00: We actually we broke our microwave for a few months, and uh my boyfriend, he's kind of like oh like I'm not hypochondriac, but kind of a weirdo about some things.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, this is a good thing.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_00: Now we don't use the microwave.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_00: Like we're only gonna use the oven and the toaster oven.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_00: But me, I I'm the brat who's like, well, I've always had a microwave.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_00: What do I do without a microwave?
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_00: So I was the difficult one.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's really hard.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_00: I feel bad because it is it is healthier to not have a microwave.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm I'm the weirdo who likes, I don't know what goes on with a microwave, but the whatever molecular implications of it are.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm the one that, you know, well, I actually saw this really cool thing that was they had plants and they watered the plants, like all the other factors were the exact same.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_01: But they used one water, was like cooled off microwave water, and then the other was fresh water, and the plant with the cooled off microwave water died way quicker.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_01: I'm the plant that's gonna do it.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_01: And that's not that's not what like made us stop using a microwave.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_01: Honestly, what made us stop was we moved into this townhouse and it didn't come with a microwave, and there's really not room for it.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_01: And it was one of those things Jake and I were like, We'll get it, we'll get it, we'll get it eventually.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's on our our list, and then like a couple of things.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you were gonna put it in the pantry, right?
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because there's really not a lot of counter space, and then we were like, you know, I don't think we need it.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_01: Let's just see how long we can go without it.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_00: And we're over a year now, so it's not that hard.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_00: Well, next time it breaks, I vow to you all that I will not go back to the microwave.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_00: But I mean, maybe when I when I grew up, like my parents just didn't tell me the microwave was a bad thing.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_00: And so I was probably the stupid kid that, like, while you're microwaving something, it's like a commercial where you sit there and you like watch it.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_00: Your face is pressed up and oh my gosh, my hot pockets are gonna be ready in 20 seconds.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_01: All the wave Yeah, literally.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_00: Literally, my boyfriend, when I was what, 28 when I met him, was the first one who told me, like, hey, don't put your face near the microwave.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, they say like pregnant people aren't supposed to stay in near.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, that might be a point.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_00: So now I'm extra weird about microwaves.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, oh wait, God, it's it's on, go away, run away.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not a health freak or anything like that.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_01: It was really out of more being a cheapskate than anything, but it works.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_01: Anyways, back to your Salisbury steak.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_01: Give me a review.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_01: What did you think?
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_01: It was Murray calendars.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_00: So it was my first experience with Salisbury steak.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's not, I love it when you're like, is it a cut of steak?
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, mmm, that would have been.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I still can't quite define it.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_00: It's more like a beef patty.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_00: It is, it's like a meatloaf.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's like a beef patty meatloaf, and this one came sauteed in some sort of sauce with uh like potatoes.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's the salzberry.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_00: The gravy.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yum, it was so good.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's kind of like it's kind of like the hot dog of steak.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_00: But I love hot dogs.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_00: I that was no hot dog.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_00: This was just, it was kind of mushy, it was fine.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_00: The taste was fine.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_00: It was just the consistency was like a un like a meatloaf that wasn't quite done.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_00: I would eat it again if you offered it to me for me.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe it would be better in the microwave.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_00: We'll try that.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's probably meant for microwaves.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but it did come with some mac and cheese, and that was fabulous.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_00: And then Megan also made a charcuterie board, and that was also great.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_01: I have to admit though, when I went to the grocery store last night and I picked up the scotch, and I picked up the like one single Salisbury steak frozen meal.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_01: I looked like a depressed.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like I also like was half not pajamas, but like my hair was kind of thrown up.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_01: I looked like I had gone through a rough day.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_01: And then here I am at the checkout line, like one frozen Salisbury steak meal and a whole bottle of scotch.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_00: They're like, ooh, young divorcee.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_01: I saw the look of the cashier, like, oh honey, I'm sorry.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, no, it's fine.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's actually I'm for a fun night with my personal.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_00: For a fun night, believe it or not.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_00: This is what we do on Friday nights.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_00: It's cool, I promise.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_00: So I appreciated it though.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_00: I liked the steak, I like the scratch, you know.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_00: And it's funny because one thing um I was thinking about on my way over, I was like, I think our tone generally sounds different based on what type of alcohol we're drinking.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_00: Oh no.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_00: No, but I think this is true because I feel like with wine, we just like I don't know, we go a little bit further into ourselves, we're a little more like intuitive, even deeper, I feel more vigorous tonight because we're gonna be able to do that.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say, I think our um William Kidd episode where we had rum, and then this one we're a little bit more like aggressive.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_01: Because we're like, uh you feel good, like you feel like a man.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_01: Let's start talking in the Scotch as I can't say Scotch to Shaq.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_01: I can't I can't say I'll work on it.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's not bad.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_01: We'll work on it.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_01: We'll work on that.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um It sounded more like uh Liverpool.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_01: I had my scotch.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I wasn't drinking it, but I bought my bottle scotch and the Salisbury steak, and guess what I was binging on on Netflix.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_01: What were you watching?
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I'm embarrassed to say it.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_01: So last week.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_01: The Witcher.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_01: No, last week we had I I made a really dumb comment when I went back and edited our um our episode on uh Margaret Pohl, and I had made a comment like, oh, Margaret Paul is in rain.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't know why I said that because she's not.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_01: I was gonna say, I don't remember her being in rain, I just went with it because she's like, different decades.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_01: She died with King Henry VIII, rain is about Mary Queen of Scots, and Henry is already dead.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so, anyways, I kind of started watching it and I had some like strong feedback last time.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but like I told you, you gotta give it a chance because it's not meant to be historically accurate and it's not a documentary by any means.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_00: Very critical, but I also it kind of sucks you in.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_01: I also can't stop watching it, and I'm mad at it, and like I'm watching it and I'm angry at it, and like, no, they're wearing 1920s like silk tight-fitted dresses.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_01: Her name's Lola.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_01: Her name's Lola and Kenna.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm also, there's another part of me that I can't stop watching it, and I'm on like episode 15 or something.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_00: I told Megan, I said, I think the point of Rain, and again, I didn't create the show, I don't know, but I feel like if I were to create a show like Rain, my goal would be to show history through like a modern lens.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like relatable, and you like the outfits, and you kind of get into the gossip girl feel of it.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_00: Kind of like Marie Antoinette was similar.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and that was very modern, that was very intentionally modern.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_00: This one it kind of strays between like, okay, it's historic, okay, it's not, who knows?
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_01: And there's some things in it that are accurate.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I kinda like how Catherine D'Emici they talk about how she used poison a lot, and that really was something about her that she was a little bit into the occult, liked to play around with poison.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_01: So some things are true.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_01: I just can't get past the costumes.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_00: But that it's fine.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's fine, I promise.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_00: Once you get into, I I told her like once you get to like the sixth episode, you're just you are.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'm in episode 15.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm just saying, like, at that point, you're like, okay, I guess I'll keep watching this.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, it's the end of season one.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_00: I guess I'll go to season two.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_01: That's what happens in freaking Netflix keeps you going.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_01: So they're like, next episode is countdown.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, oh, remote's over there.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_00: That's what their algorithm does.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, what's the optimal time that people won't find their remote to change it?
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, 15 seconds or whatever it is.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's the optimal time to just start the next episode.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_00: So Megan's on episode now.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_00: Fine.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_00: We'll we'll give you a review further into her rain watching.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_00: I bet you like it.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I'm still waiting for it.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_00: I can't tell you at what point I start to really like it because it would give too much away.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, you've already told me a lot.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_00: You listeners already know.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_00: I know, but Megan doesn't know yet.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_01: I do know what happens to Mary Queen of Scots at the end.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay, so that's no, not that part.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_00: I'm saying there's like intrigues before that that you're like, ooh, juicy.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_01: Our last bit of follow-up from our last episode.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we really tried so hard to figure out the Tower of London question.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_00: The like Tower of London capacity, how many prisoners it held at once.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_00: We legit could not find this answer.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_00: We found visitor numbers, um, but we could not find an actual capacity.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_00: So what's funny is like the only time I like found anything somewhat reliable when I looked for Tower of London capacity, it was like unique wedding venues of London.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I didn't know this.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's still it's still being rented out.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_00: Would get married there in a heartbeat.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_00: But I didn't know it was an event space at all.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's literally for you know whatever ceremony you want.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_00: So there's literally Let's go have a ceremony there.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_00: I don't even care what it's of.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_00: My quincineta, my second quincineta.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_00: My yeah, I when I turn 30, it's two quinceignetas in a row.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_00: We could do that.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, no, but literally, like it's it's like reception holds zero to three hundred people, a dinner holds zero to two forty.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_00: If you want the outside space, it's one person to a thousand people.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_00: It has all these different capacity um things, and so it's funny because I'm like, that's not what I was looking for, but thanks for giving me the information.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_01: Can you still contact them though?
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe they would know.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like, maybe if I called them and I was like, oh, I'm having a wedding here in the spring.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um, also, how many prisoners were held at the tower?
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: Be like, so I'm having a wedding.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_01: So just out of curiosity, how many people can I fit in a dungeon?
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_01: In a dungeon.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't want them to be stuffed, like stuffy or yeah, comfortable quarters for how many prisoners.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, guess in the dungeons.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, say you give them some fur slippers and a fur coat and you they're comfortable.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_00: Roughly what would that number be?
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_00: What would that look like to you?
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_00: We might call just to see how that conversations.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe email.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_00: Email might be safer.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_00: Email might be safer.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_00: So you're gonna be like, ma'am, we get this call.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_01: Ma'am, you need to stop calling us now.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_01: If anybody has this answer, again, we're trying to figure out how many people at a time would they imprison in the Tower of London.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_00: We have some um listeners from the UK, so maybe you guys know.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_00: We straight up just don't, we can't find the information.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_00: So if you know, we'd love to hear.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_01: We're on Instagram, we're on Facebook, we're on the Twitter.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_01: I like to say the Twitter, but I have Twitter.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_01: Zero idea what I'm doing on Twitter.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_01: It is a foreign concept to me.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what Twitter is anymore.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_01: I don't get it.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_01: We have an email account.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_01: We're becoming very professional.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_01: It is beheaded.podcast at gmail.com.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_01: If anybody wants to send us oh no thoughts, spam.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: Send it on over whatever's on your plate there.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_00: Alright, so we'll just go ahead and jump into the story of William Wallace, um, which was really fun for us to research together.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_00: We again compared our notes as we always do, and then we watched the end scene of Braveheart Together.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_01: End scene?
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_01: I watched that is a three-hour movie, and I watched the entire thing today.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_01: Today.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't work today, so I had a lot of time to watch.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_01: Isn't that nice?
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_00: Didn't watch.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's fine.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_00: I was at work all day.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's okay.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_00: I came over after work.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, we watched the end scene together of the execution, and man, it was it was kind of tough to get past that.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's a really intense end scene, and I haven't seen it.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't watched Braveheart in a couple years.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I love Braveheart, and I talked about this in the last episode.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_00: One of my favorite execution scenes, but I haven't just sat and watched it in a while.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's really intense.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_00: I ha close to tears.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_01: I was getting anxiety just watching it.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_00: And it wasn't even the full execution.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_00: I was changing.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_01: They they hide a lot of it.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we'll know what's going on.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: When we get to his execute his actual execution, we'll talk about what was different in the movie versus the actual execution.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so there was some things that were different, but even with the differences, it was uh oh, it's hard.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's hard to watch.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how people actually witness it in real life.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_01: I definitely feel like William Wallace is someone that a lot of people know because of the Mel Gibson movie.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't want to keep referencing it too much, but I think it is something relatable that we can kind of use as a fact versus fiction.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_01: And um, at least for me, as I'm reading about the different kings and battles and historical things happening at that time, I it's nice to envision, like, oh okay, I I remember this battle in the movie or something, and kind of gives you um a sense of where things are at.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_01: A little bit of context.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, a little bit of context.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_01: So I do really like when they have big Hollywood movies like this about well, it's more of a cultural touchstone.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like if you were alive in the last 30 years, you probably have seen this movie in one shape, you know, way, shape, or form.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_01: Thriving at that time.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that was prime Mel Gibson.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_01: He was a beast at that time before he got a little off the rocky.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_01: A little wacky.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_01: As many celebrities.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_01: Gorgeous in that movie.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_01: He's very handsome.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_01: Speaking of gorgeous, not to jump around things too much, but I don't think Mel Gibson's portrayal was that far off from the real William Wallace.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_00: Not too much.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_00: There was a few things that critics really pointed out when it came out, like historians.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, they said that it was unconfirmed whether or not he had a wife or a lover.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, she might have been a fictional character, and it might have been not just for the movie, but like throughout history, she might have been fictionalized to maybe humanize William Wallace.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_00: Like, oh, he had this great love.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: He needed a reason, Marion.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and that was his reason for the assault.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: We'll get into why things again.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but even as far as like physical appearance, I mean Mel Gibson is a pretty, pretty nice looking guy in this movie.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_01: Kind of um how the real William Wallace was described was as a tall man with the body of a giant, yeah, with lengthy flanks, broad in the hips, with strong arms and legs.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, with all his limbs very strong and firm.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_01: Ooh.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, Mel Gibson, we see you there.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_01: Hi, William Wallace.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: Hey William.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um, sorry, I'm jumping ahead a little bit.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: So let's try to get that part out of the way.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: He was most attractive.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_01: I am researching him and just envisioning these strong arms and legs.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think uh, you know, for all of his military might, he was rather a uh dashing man.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: Uh he was born in 1270.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_01: Very long ago.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_01: Early 1300s, at the very end of his life.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_01: So this is over 200 years before the Tudor era and some of our other um executions we've been talking about.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_00: And before we uh, I mean, we don't want to give too much away at the beginning, but he did die in 1305.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_00: And if you do the simple math, he was only 35 years old when he died.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_00: And again, it's one of those things where you just have you know perceptions of people before you really research uh them as people, and you're like, oh wow, like I thought Mel Gibson might have been 50.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how old he was.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_00: 35, so young.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: And it's one of the youngest people we've executed on this show.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_01: Ooh, I like I like that.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: Margaret Pohl was 67, one of our oldest.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_00: Ramseys was in his 60s.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um Romanoff Nikki, he was 40s.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: 40s, I think.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: He was fairly young, um, but older than William Wallace for sure.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_01: Maria Antoinette was in her 40s, I think.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: I think she was in her 30s.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, really?
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that sounds about right.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think I'm pretty sure she was in the world.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_01: William was pretty young, and that's like the other hard thing because when you're hearing these executions, and especially this one, because he dies in such a gruesome way, you can't help but put it into your mind of like, wait, this is someone of our own age.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm 31, Megan's 30.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Jake is 35.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, uh, I know.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_00: My boyfriend is uh 34.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, 33.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_00: I know how old he is.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: What?
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: I know your birthday.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_00: Uh once you get past 30, you don't remember.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: So with William Wallace, um, he grows to really be an icon of his homeland.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but when he was young, it's a little unclear of his exact history, but he was most likely born of lesser nobility.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: There's really little known about his mother, his father.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, some people think that uh he was the son of Sir Malcolm of, and I'm gonna say this wrong, Elder, Elder Heir.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: That's how you say it.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um they do they read from letters from William that his this is funny, that his um father's name was Alan Wallace.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_00: And when I said that to Megan, I was like, I think his father's name was Alan.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_00: She's like, what a modern name.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, she's like, is it Derek Wallace?
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like Caden Wallace.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I mean, it sounds like a Michael, Michael.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um so we we don't know exactly his lineage because it was kind of conflicting, but it was known that he was of Leicester nobility.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because of his name, Wallace, they think that back in the day, like maybe even centuries before he was born, that his family immigrated from Wales.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_00: So they was of Welsh descent.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um and so that was really all they knew about his early, early years.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um King Alexander the Third was uh the one who ruled Scotland up until he was sixteen.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: So during that time, it was very much a time of when William was sixteen.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, so thank you.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, to be clear.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: So when William was sixteen, up until he was sixteen, King Alexander III ruled the land.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: So it was very much a time of prosperity and peace.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so he grew up in a very stable country.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: And actually, so there are some rumors.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: Again, they don't have a lot of understanding of what he was like um before he made a name for himself, but people kind of assume that he had some military experience, perhaps when fighting um with Edward and kind of that whole thing, but um but they don't know for sure.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_01: They assume he has some military experience just because he was so good at what he was doing, right?
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: And he was like such a strong guy on the battlefield.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and when you're in a country that is somewhat uh, you know, uh stable, uh again, there's not a lot to do in this era for work or anything.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: So you might become a mercenary where you're just being paid to fight.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_00: So he could have been kind of going around fighting for pay wherever was really called for.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: So again, that background is fairly unclear, but they figured once he kind of rise to the fame that he did, um, he had to have some sort of military experience.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_00: So it's assumed again, maybe born of lesser status, maybe a mercenary while he was young.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but when he was 16 is when the country really started to shake up.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um so King Alexander III died in 1286.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_00: So he fell off a horse.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_00: Stupid way to die.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: And it was, but that was like such a sudden death, too.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_01: And people weren't expecting it and they really weren't prepared of ooh, what happens when our king dies?
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_00: So what did happen was um Margaret, the maid of Norway, um, he she was his heir.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_00: So here's this woman.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_00: She was woman, dreaming.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: She was a girl, really.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_00: She was three woman.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: Woman child.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_00: Woman child.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_00: Girl child, three-year-old woman over here.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_00: So she obviously didn't have an heir.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: She was too young, and she felt fell ill really, really young and died in um 1290.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so only four years after King Alexander III died, uh, there was a time where it was like, okay, well, at least we have Margaret.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like, she's gonna grow up, she's gonna be the heir, and she Dies on a voyage.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_01: And they have no one.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_01: They actually called this the Great Cause in Scotland because they were left without a monarchy.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: They had no king.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: Nothing.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: They didn't know who to turn to.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: They didn't have an air lined up.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: So what they did was they called it the guardian of the kingdom.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um, guardians of the kingdom of Scotland.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: You were essentially a steward.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's kind of like a de facto emperor.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: They were were they elected for that?
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_01: I would say so.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_00: It probably had to be, or the nobles met and decided, okay, who among us, you know, should be.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of like Game of Thrones.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_01: They all sat in a circle and they figured it out, and then they got the crippled guy to be like, hey, you, you're a good guy.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_00: Which is kind of what happened.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: Well, first, what they did really quick was the Irish nobility um elected King Edward I.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_00: They brought him in to arbitrate.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_00: So he was of England, and he, you know, they said, Hey, like, we're up in Scotland, we're trying to figure out what to do.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_00: Can you help us essentially figure out who who's going to take over?
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so he went up there and uh yeah, he you can kick it off, but decided that it so the guardian of the kingdom went to John Balliol.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: Balliol.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um that's B-A-L-L-I-O-L.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_01: Balliol?
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: Bal.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, I'm gonna just keep saying it and keep making it worse.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna stop.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um and he was very weak.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_00: He was.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_00: No one really respected him as much as a leader.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so right away you can see how the tension starts.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_00: And when you think about it in term of in terms of William Wallace's age, I mean, and we can probably all relate to this who are over the age of 16, but once you're like if you grow up in a very, I don't want to say sheltered, I'm sure his existence wasn't sheltered, but if you grow up in a time of peace and prosperity up until you're 16, and then by the time you're 20, you recognize that there's not a lot of stability in your country anymore, and things have kind of, you know, fallen by the wayside, and you don't know who to turn to in terms of rule, and then this idiot comes, you know, into power.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_00: Hello, you're 20, your testosterone's high, you're angry, you're like, wait, I grew up in this peaceful era, this peaceful kingdom, and now you're telling me that this guy, this John guy, is gonna take over my land.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_00: So he became rather an unruly guy.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: And Edward I, again, the king of England, who's coming into Scotland to arbitrate for them and help figure things out.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: He actually like imprisons John Balliol.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: Did you read about that too?
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he put him in a jail because he was so incompetent.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: He's such a bad leader, and that's really this is the start of the issues when now England is ruling and controlling Scotland.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: Making decisions for Scotland.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: Because Colin's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, we want to be our own country.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, we don't have anyone on the throne right now, but back off a little bit.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: And this is when all the trouble starts going down.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_00: So the first thing that William Wallace was really known for was the assassination of um uh William Hesselrig, who was the sheriff of Lanark, I believe it is.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_01: Lanark, and he was like the high sheriff.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_01: So he was a British guy who was the sheriff of one of the little towns in Scotland.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_01: And this is where it becomes becomes back versus fiction because there's some stories saying that William Wallace was married to Marion or something.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_00: Her name was I'm gonna say this.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_01: Braidfutes.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_01: Braidfute.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_01: Marion Braidfute.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, which ties it back to again the Mel Gibson version of Braveheart that he that the sheriff killed Marion and William assassinated the sheriff out of avenge.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, of avenging his dead wife.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_00: And again, we don't know if this is because we couldn't really find anything about her.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_00: We don't know if she was a real person at all.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_00: So it could have strictly been legend.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um, as I mentioned at the beginning, it could have been a way to maybe humanize William Wallace.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like, oh, he wasn't just a pillager and a murderer, but he actually was in love and he did all this because he was avenging, you know, his dead wife.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_00: So maybe legend, maybe that was true.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe he did, in fact, have a love of his life, um, you know, as the movie portrays uh that he was really fighting for, but we had no record of her at all.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: So it could have been very well that he was just a bachelor who did everything on his own terms and he just wanted to do this to gain power.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: And more recent historians are leaning towards the fact that she never existed, yeah, because they um they cannot find any family name by the name of Braid Fute in the 1200s or in the 13th century in Scotland at that time, which I think we all love a good romance story and a good love story, and yeah, that made for a great Hollywood movie.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_01: And even before that, though, like it was in um Blind Harry's this poet of the 15th century wrote a poem, and I think that's where it kind of started.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: He wrote a poem about William Wallace and talks about his wife Marion and how he had to avenge her death.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: So I think people like that idea and they can hang on to it, but um There's not much evidence.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I also think he was just like this like gun ho bachelor of a guy who really loves Scotland and really loved power and really hated the sheriff of Lannark, yeah.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_00: Whatever his name is.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's just a dude in his 20s and 30s wearing a kilt with the sword.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_00: So you you know who knows what the what the real history is.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_00: We'd like to believe that he was in love and did all this for that, um, but we're not a hundred percent sure.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_00: Which really quick, I just want to quickly interject.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you had your wedding in Scotland, right?
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: No, I didn't.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, nope, no, uh close, close.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we had a marriage blessing in Ireland.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, quick quick side story.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_01: Quick side story.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: We legally got married in Vegas because we wanted to get married in Ireland, but they have really strict rules if you're not of Irish citizenship.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and if you're not Catholic and there was like too many hoops to go through.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_01: Fun fact.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, so we legally got married in Vegas, but then we went to Ireland to have a marriage blessing.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: So we called it a marriage blessing because we were already legally married, but it was basically everything besides it on paper.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um and it was very like Braveheart-esque, and I always like to say that because I love that scene where they secretly get married in the forest, and it was just Jake and I, and oh, I kid you not.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_01: His name was Friar John, the guy who married us.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, his name was because in in Ir in Ireland they have friars instead of priests.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_01: So his name was Friar John.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_00: And wait, did Friars still wear the robes, you know, like Friar Towns?
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_00: No, he looked like a priest.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: He had a white priest outfit.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, let me believe what I believe.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_01: And his head was shaved in a little circle and wait, oh really?
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's it.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_01: I just wanted to I just wanted to give you something.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's it, that's it, that's what I wanted.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we I'll try to make this story quick because I like it.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: Go ahead.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: We go to Ireland and we were getting, we were staying at Ashford Castle.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: Which fun fact in the words of Elizabeth, fun fact.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: Fun fact.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Ashford Castle is the castle that they use in rain for all the outside scenes.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, wait, so when you're watching rain, do you really want to be?
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, that's really pictures.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_01: That's really cool.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: Literally, the fountain and everything.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_01: I have pictures in front of the fountain and the courtyard and all of that, we were there and everything.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_00: We had to post that.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_01: I remember when we went there, we we went there in 2012, and I remember when we were talking to some people, they're like, oh, they started filming something here, but it was before Rain got released, so people didn't know what it was for.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so, anyways, that's pretty cool.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: We were planning on getting married in the chapel of Ashford Castle, married or you know, have our blessing with our friar.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: And and again, it was just Jake and I.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_01: We didn't have all of our family and friends.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_01: It was a very private, um, special thing between the two of us.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_01: And we chose Ireland just because I think my love of history and I don't know, Ireland is just really freaking cool.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_01: So we just really wanted a gorgeous.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um castles and everything that I love, whiskey, just basically everything I love.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um, a couple days before the blessing, they tell us um you're not allowed to have any type of ceremonies in the chapel without paying for the wedding fees.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, come on.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_01: Which was very expensive.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, no, no, no, it's not a wedding, it's just like a little ceremony on Monday.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's a birthday party.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_01: On a Monday afternoon.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um they didn't let us do it without paying a lot of fees.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_01: So, to make a long story short, our photographer recommended a really cool place.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was between the photographer and the friar kind of came together, and they're like, Well, there's this abbey, but it's deserted and you may not like it.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_01: There's tombstones and it's completely demolished.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_01: You're like, I love that.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so excited at this point.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, let's go see it.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, well, let's it's free.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, well, how much does it cost?
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like, well, it's just an abandoned place, like anybody can just go there.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_01: So we show up, it's called Clare Abbey in Ireland.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's um, it's kind of like it's on the on the western coast.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um kind of near Cliffs of Moor, but not really.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's a little bit north of that.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and we show up and it's like overgrown, and there's no ceiling, like everything's demolished.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like there's no ceiling, there's no anything, there's just the frame of what the Abbey was.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like the foundation.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: And little does like the fire and the photographer, who they're the ones kind of like got us there.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_01: Though they're they're the only ones that we're with.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um and they're kind of giving us the background.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: Little do they know I'm obsessed with King Henry VIII and all of this.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, Well, King Henry VIII came through and tore this up during the Reformation.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm like, yeah, I'm just like goggling all over the place.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, I'm sorry, it might be a little dark and dreary.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_01: There's tombstones and there's like sheep wandering around.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_01: You can see where the stained glass windows were and they got broken out and everything, and they're like, they're like, Are you sure this is okay?
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, this is perfect, this is what I wanted.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_01: And it was free, it was so cool.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_01: Can't beat that.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_01: But it was very Braveheart-esque because I felt like they kind of ran away and it was very private, and um, we just needed like the flute music in the background.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_01: Beautiful.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry, we're talking about William Wallace and I know we could go on for hours and hours and hours about this, so let's let's get back to it.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um we're back to the part where He kills the Sheriff of Lanark, and it's his first kind of big act as like a known leader in in Scotland.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so again, he starts to be recognized for whoa, like this guy, you know, he's a badass, he's going around, he's kind of just not caring, he's taking power back from England.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then comes the Battle of Stirling Bridge.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_00: This is my favorite.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and this is when they started trusting William, like, okay, well, maybe we give this guy some men, he starts going at it.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: He starts leading battles.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_01: The Battle of Sterling, if you again going back to context where we keep referencing Braveheart, I know, but I know people have seen it and it's easy to follow.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_00: Again, guys, cultural touchstone here.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: This is the big battle where he does his famous speech, they can't take our freedom, and then they all like moon the other team that you can.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't say moon.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: They moon both ways, they go front and back.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so the Battle of Sterling.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_01: This is true.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_00: He the Scots were completely outnumbered by the English.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_00: So we think, and the numbers kind of vary depending on sources, but we think William Wallace's troop was about like 5,300 strong.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_00: Still a big number.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_00: Still huge, like a little over 5,000.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but the uh the English, on the other hand, they had about two to three thousand just cavalry, and then perhaps about six to ten thousand infantry.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_00: So huge.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um obviously that is not a fair pairing.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so what they did was they strategically used their kind of terrain and area as an advantage, and they went across Sterling Bridge, where it was very narrow.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_00: And this is similar to if you've seen the movie 300 or know the battle of 300 in, you know, uh Greek history, but they funneled them in so it'd be easier to fight.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_00: So instead of just going across a battlefield where it's your 5,000 versus their, you know, 10,000 or so, um, you actually just let them kind of filter in through the bridge where they said it was only three men abreast, which is like three men across.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_00: So you're getting waves of men three at a time.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_00: So if you're a superior fighter, you're the one just like taking them down, taking them down.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and then it's a bridge, so you can just knock them off to the side, they're not really.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but that was taking a long time.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_00: No, for sure.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_00: And it's funny because it's like at that point you're fatigued, but you're dealing with people that are like gung-ho and ready to see you, and you're like, okay, here's not a lot.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm sure they also traded out because there was enough of them to like maybe they had like a cue system, like a rotation.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, okay, Jimmy, you're up next.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_01: Take out a few guys.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_01: Alright, John, and I don't know, Jimmy John.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: Jimmy John.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know why I come up with these names.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but this all happens in September of 1297.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and uh it got to the point where there were so many men on the bridge that the bridge actually collapsed and a lot of the English had drowned.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, again, because the uh the Scottish kind of like retreated, they didn't go all the way across.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like when the bridge collapsed, a lot of the English were the ones that fell down with the bridge.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so huge victory at the end of the day.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_01: Which they don't show that in the movie, do they?
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_01: No, they just have like an actual arrows in battle and they win.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: There had to have been good reason why they were so outnumbered and still won.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that makes sense.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_00: So um so there was a man called Hugh Hugh Crossingham, who was uh Edward the king, or yeah, he's the king at this point.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_00: He's the treasurer.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so he was also in the battle, but uh at the end of the battle it was said that he was captured and filleted.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_00: Ooh! So literally like filleted like a steak?
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like flayed, like taken.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I thought you meant like fillet.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_00: I did say fillet.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_00: I meant flayed.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_00: Flayed.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like super chef Bobby Flay.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so they flayed his skin and they gave the skin as tokens of like victory in battle.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_00: So they gave it to the people.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_00: When when Megan has Scotch, she's like, uh, duh.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_00: Of course I'd wear the skin.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_00: And they said that William Wallace himself took a part of the skin like head to toe, like one giant part of his skin.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_00: And wore it as a baldrick for his sword, which is like a harness, you know, like a holster for his sword.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_00: He was a savage guy, like.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_00: He was, which is funny, because again, they try to humanize him and, like, oh, this man who killed Friends.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_01: Especially compared to the posh English.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_01: It reminds me very much of like the Patriot, too, similar.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_01: Also mel good.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_01: I just realized.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of like the wild militia versus the organized British.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_00: No, and that's military.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_00: Perfect point you bring up because they did say that throughout all of this, the uh the Scottish really did what the uh American, well, I guess Americans you can say at that point, colonists, um, in the American Revolution.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_00: They used the terrain to their advantage.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_00: They were very strategic about um the opportunities they were given, like the bridge scenario, where they're like, okay, I see how this is gonna work.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_00: Like they used very strategic tactics of opportunity um versus again, like Megan said, like the tight-knit kind of English who were all skilled as being knights and skilled in very like rigid battle.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_00: So it was very similar to like colonists versus the British and the um the American uh revolution and the Scottish versus the English, which the English should learn.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_00: Seriously.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_01: After all this, don't learn from his learn from your past history, that's what I say.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so he goes back to Scotland after this huge victory and they knight him, which is pretty cool.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_01: So now he's finally a knight and not just a crazy Neanderthal running around the terrain of Scotland, but he's knight now.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Scotland is really um confident in him and confident that he's gonna go and defeat the English, and this is just the start of many battles and getting their freedom back.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_00: So he's officially dubbed the guardian of Scotland at this point, which is the old title.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's the old title.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you're essentially the steward of the country.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_00: So they don't want anything as tyrannical as a king, but they want this guardian, they want someone to run.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_01: They need someone to show them what to do, and it's so funny to think of how like they were such a peaceful country before, and like yeah, they just needed someone to maintain that to lead them and they didn't want England to be their control, they wanted to be their own country, their own freedom.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_01: You can only say that so many times.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think I don't think you can say it enough.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_00: So but he was only he was only 27 at that point, too.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_00: So he became the guardian of Scotland when he was only 27.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so then 12 uh 98 comes around when he's 28, and this is when the Battle of Falkirk hits.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_00: So this was another invasion of Scotland.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_01: Because he's doing like a few rebellious battles at this time.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_01: But these are like the two big ones to look to look out for, right?
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so the there was a second invasion of Scotland.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_00: So again, the English, you know, finally over like regrouped and were like, okay, we have to take this guy down.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_00: He's becoming too powerful in Scotland, we have to get him.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but again, Wal Wallace was fairly strategic in this way.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_00: He meant to be more strategic than it actually panned out.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but what he did is he didn't um come to combat.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like they were ready, guns blazoned, coming into Scotland, being like, okay, this is how we're gonna get him.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_00: But he was smart about it at the beginning and kind of lured them in, and he waited for their resources to dwindle, for their spirit to die, and just kind of stood back a little bit, waiting for them to defeat themselves.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because there wasn't like uh victory on their side, um, on the English side.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_00: All of a sudden, there was some civil war, not war, but civil battles, people being like, wait, why are we here?
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_00: Like, we don't, we're not even defeating the Scottish.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_00: So he let them turn on themselves.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_00: Smart, yeah.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_01: Smart man.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so it was a very smart move again, kind of using his opportunities around him, being like, Okay, these guys are coming in way too hot.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_00: Let's let them cool down before we even try to go about this.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_00: But then they found out that he was encamped nearby.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_00: So they, you know, f found out where he was, where he was residing and where he was waiting it out.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_00: So that's officially when they went to overtake him.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so he he wasn't overtaken.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_00: There we I don't uh know officially how this like ended, but it it didn't end well because essentially, like, the English won this battle.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_01: This was a huge defeat for the Scots.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he wasn't taken at this point, but no, but he did kind of William Wallace went back to Scotland kind of with his head hung low, and so much, in fact, like this was such a huge defeat on them that he resigned as the guardian of the Kingdom of Scotland um in favor of Robert the Bruce, um, another character in Braveheart.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we won't get too much into him, but he um kind of hands it off to this guy.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_01: The the next few years are a little bit unclear of exactly what he was doing.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_01: We know he was in Scotland, which is actually like a risky meet move on him because Edward is still after him, like they're still pissed at him.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_00: And at this point, his reputation is so badly bruised in Scots or in um I said Scottsdale in Scotland.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_00: Where do we live?
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_00: We're in Scottsdale, he was in Scotland.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but so his reputation was so badly bruised that again he was just kind of he retreated, he was in hiding.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_00: So what meant to be his strategy of I'm going to like retreat and then win, it ended up a retreat and then loss, and then he didn't know what to do with himself.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_00: So he's kind of sulking around Scotland at this point.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and Edward I is still after him, basically.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_01: Still brewing, still pissed at him, and still wants his head on a spike.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um brings us to 1305.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um, William sends a letter to Robert the Bruce, and uh Bruce basically asks to meet Wallace near Glasgow.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's how you say it right?
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_01: Glasgow.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_01: Glasgow.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_01: Glasgow.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_01: Uh we'll get there one day, sure.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_01: Literally, we're gonna go there.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um and basically there's some Scottish people who are betraying William.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, specifically Sir John Menteith.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so there's these fellow Scottish knights who are the ones who hand in William, which is again so against the bro code.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_00: So against bro code.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_00: You can't do that.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_00: You can't.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_01: Sir John, you know, you're only in your late 20s, and or I guess at this point.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Jack Short was also a servant involved in it, and of course they got paid off.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_01: They got paid to betray Wallace and set him up and get him captured by the English.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_01: People are so predictable in this era.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_01: Why'd you do that?
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_00: Please.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so they hand him over.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_01: They hand him over.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_01: He's first taken to the Carlisle Carlisle?
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_01: Carlisle?
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_01: Carlisle.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_01: Carlisle Castle.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but this isn't it.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like they could, they could just execute him immediately, but they needed to make an example of him.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_01: And Edward I, you can imagine like how giddy he must have been like a little kid, like hee hee hee, I finally got him.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's like the extreme version of tag.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, and he and he wants to make a show of William and make sure everybody can see this is what happens to rebels, this is what happens to traitors, yeah, this is what happens when you don't fall to English rule.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_01: So it wasn't enough just to capture him and and execute him right then and there, or even just keep him arrested.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_01: They have him travel 300 miles to to London, and they are keeping him at the Tower of London.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_00: Our favorite place.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so um he was tried for treason and his uh essentially the way he acted in war, because they said again that he was ruthless, that he murdered everyone, regardless of age.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: Age of gender or anything that he was just a complete, you know, um barbarian.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_00: And they also, I read this, they said that they made him a garland of oak.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_00: Did you read that?
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_00: Which means he's king of the outlaws.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_00: It like crowns you as king of the outlaw.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_01: It was just a mockery.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_01: And even the whole trial was just a show because in no way, shape, or form would they have let him get off innocent.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_01: They did the trial just to like cover their grounds and go through the process.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but there was zero, he had no lawyers, he didn't really get a say.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_01: He did say one thing, which is awesome.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_00: This is my favorite.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_00: You can take this.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'll read it.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_01: He says, I quote, I could not be a traitor to Edward, for I was never his subject.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_01: So he is standing firm, and he he will refuse to submit to Edward I.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_01: And he will refuse to admit that he is like under English rule and he is Scottish true and through in his blood.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_01: That is just so powerful.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_01: So he gets um obviously convicted as guilty for high treason.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_01: And he gets the ultimate sentence.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_00: This is just the worst.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_00: And we again we talked about it last time, but we'll go into a little more depth because it is even.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_00: Put your scotch down.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_00: Get ready for this.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_00: So, first of all, and this is different than the movie because in the movie he could just kind of it's carded in like on a little cross thing.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, he was actually naked and dragged for we think six miles.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_00: I read six miles, yeah.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um he had his trial at Westminster Hall, but he was being held in the Tower of London.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_01: I I had someplace, the actual execution spot, but it was about six miles away.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_01: I want to say like Elm something.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I didn't read the actual place was.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_01: But he was naked, being dragged by a horse um through the street.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_01: So this is kind of like the first step of pain.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_01: Imagine being dragged for six miles naked.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_01: And this is very much a Game of Thrones scene.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_01: Which shame.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_01: So everyone is in the movie, they kind of do this where people are throwing some cabbage and whatnot at him.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_01: But what really happened was they were throwing feces.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_00: Feces excrement, poop.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_00: He had all three words for the same thing.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_01: Also, okay.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_01: Not to get into the dirty details.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_00: Who's poop?
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like animal poop?
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe stuff on the street.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_00: Well, at that time, both animals and humans kind of went to the body.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_00: I guess they just kind of took their pills.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_00: There was no like sewer sewage system.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_00: So you just kind of got your bucket and you were like, ah.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_01: So here's this first like form of torture.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, people are throwing shit at him.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's funny when you see movies because they're always like, we have cabbage and tomatoes and that we're throwing at you.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_00: And we're like, aren't you starving?
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_00: How do you just have a pretty good salad right there that you're throwing extra food?
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_00: You're like, oh, trader.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_00: Cabbage and tomatoes, you're if that were me in that era, I'd be the one picking up the cabbage and the tomatoes in the street and wait, wait, okay, okay.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_01: You're such a saver, that would be this is a this is pretty good, yeah.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_01: This is good, this is good conditions.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_01: Get my tubware out.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_00: I I like it.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like I'd be the one making sure that my my family ate that evening.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, okay, so he's being dragged through the streets.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_01: They are throwing shit at him.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_00: Literally.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_01: Literally.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_01: And then they get to the site of execution.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_01: And he is being, this is, we're gonna go into detail now.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_01: We should start off.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_01: If you have children listening, now's a good time to turn it off.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_01: I hope you don't.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_01: I hope you don't.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_01: Don't be a bad parent.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_01: You should never never listen to us with you with your kids.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_01: We're not good examples.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but this is what we're gonna call this is drawn and quartering.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_01: Which was a the most severe sentence, probably, that anybody can get for high treason.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so the first thing they did was they hanged him.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_00: And it was funny because uh when we were watching the the execution scene in Braveheart, we were like, oh okay, this makes a little more sense how they would hang him.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_00: Because if you actually hang somebody, drop them, you drop them, like their neck might snap, and they didn't want him to die at that moment.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_00: So it makes sense, it could be historically act historically accurate that in the Braveheart scene they put the rope around his neck and then they kind of raise him.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they raise him up instead of a snapping, so that way it's just uh, you know, kind of a strangulation.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and they just kind of like half-strangle him just enough before he's passing out.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_01: And it's funny because really, like the death of hanging is reserved for robbers and murderers.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_01: So it's kind of like I kind of picture it as he's getting every death sentence for all types of crime.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_00: That's a good way to put it, yeah.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_00: Depending on what the crime was, it's like, oh, well, you're gonna be.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_01: You get a little strangled, you get a little disemboweled, you get a little this, you get a little that, a little bit of disembowelment in my life, a little bit extra.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_01: Stop.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_01: You're giving me a lug.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_00: Mambo number five is very appropriate for this more of an execution scene.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so so after they hang him, the first thing they do is they castrate him.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_00: So if you've seen Braveheart, this is the part where he's just lying on um, not the table, but whatever the cross thing is that they have for him, and they just show him like wincing in pain.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_00: They don't show the actual castration that they cut off his junk.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_01: You don't really know, like they never actually say in the movie what they're doing.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_01: I remember watching this movie at a pretty young age.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I thought I knew everything at this moment.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_01: What did you think was happening?
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_01: Did you know?
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_01: I I knew about like disemboweling, which even I You did Seven-year-old Megan's like, I think they're taking out his intestines now.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_01: I must have been like 13 or so.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_01: I had already I already had the internet at this point, and I was already pretty um interested in executions and torture.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_01: Ooh, we'll stop there, Megan.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_01: So anyway.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_01: I had an idea that they were cutting him open.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, but they don't really reveal too much, and I think for good reason, obviously.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_01: They show the knives and everything of what they're all their tools they're working with.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, what they would do is emasculate him, which to be quite descriptive, they're cutting off his penis and his testicles.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_01: Awful.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_01: And they kind of dangle it around for everyone to see, make a show of it.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_01: And this was very much like the jeering crowd, the yeah, the whole town is that one.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_00: When you're a noble person, you know, getting executed at the block and it's just noble people in attendance.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_00: This is a good thing.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because we talked about the private and the public.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_01: This is definitely a public execution.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_01: And one of the things we had mentioned too while we were watching the scene, and everybody's like really into it, and like, yeah, get him, and throwing stuff at him.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I guess like to put it in their perspective, they were told he's the bad guy.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's true, you know, and he was a bad guy.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_00: And you're ignorant, you'll believe whatever.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so they really think he's getting what he deserves.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_01: He's someone who like pillages and murders, and he is getting what he had coming for him.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_00: So I guess in a way, you're like, this is your entertainment.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_00: You're like, okay, we got it, and like we got for that.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_00: Which still doesn't justify how heinous these are.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's pretty heinous.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_00: But maybe in that perspective, you're like, okay, I guess you can kind of see where they're coming from.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_01: So after he gets emasculated, he gets disemboweled.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_00: So if you don't know what that means, that means they cut open your stomach and they take out your intestines.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't know which way they do this in.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_00: I think we mentioned in our first episode.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like squirming as I'm sitting.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_00: You can see me getting antsy over here.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_00: But in our first episode, we mentioned, like, at the torture museum we went to at the Renaissance Fair, they show like a little, like, almost like a like a pulley system, I guess.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_00: You kind of turn this little wheel and it like slowly withdraws everything.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_00: So we don't know if it was that or if it was straight up a person who kind of dug inside.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was someone just digging.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_00: I think it might be.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_01: Pulling it out.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_01: And then they would show him.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_00: Show him and show the audience.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_00: Show the audience here's all the things.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_00: Burn the parts in front of him.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_00: And uh we all we mentioned this in the last episode: the hanging, the castration, the disembowelment.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_00: One thing we found when we were researching this specific execution was they probably cut out his heart next.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_00: So if you survived the hanging, the castration, the disembowelment, which they would make sure you do because they would pour water off to make sure you don't pass out.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the next thing that they would do was cut out your heart.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_00: Awful.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes they say that they would take out your heart, they'd show it to the crowd, and it was still beating.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and they'd be like, this is the traitor's heart.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_01: This is the traitor's heart.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_01: We don't know if William Wallace's heart was still beating, but we were pretty sure that it was taken out of his chest.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_01: Oh gosh.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I just want to think of the executioner who's doing this because that takes a lot of you gotta have strong stomachs.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_01: No pun intended.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_01: That's a lot of guts.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's a lot of gut you gotta have for doing that.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, strong stomach.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_01: I can't imagine.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_01: So hopefully at this point, pulling his heart out has killed him.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_01: You would think.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_01: But just to really double check, they would chop off his head.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_01: And then you're officially gone.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_01: Officially gone in case your heart wasn't enough.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_01: In case the heart was in case you really have no soul and the heart really was just there for show.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_01: And then they would cut off their forelimbs, so arms and legs.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_01: And again, this is all for the drama of it and for the show.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_00: And when people are drawn and quartered uh in this era, it's it happens in a lot of ways.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_00: I think for William Wallace, they literally just cut him into four.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_00: Whereas some like usually drawn and quartered means each of your limbs is attached to a horse.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_00: And you might be still alive when this happens.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_00: And the horse all go separate directions and pull you apart.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_00: So that's typically when drawn and quartered is being talked about.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's usually how you die is you're you die that way.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_00: But in this instance, hanged, castrated, disemboweled, all your things burned in front of you, heart taken out, beeheaded, and then cut into four.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I'm exhausted.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_01: That's a lot.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_01: That is a lot of a lot of forms of it.
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so they dipped his head in tar and they put it on a pike and it was put on Tower Bridge.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_01: His two brothers also, I don't know, were they drawn in London Bridge?
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, did I say Tower Bridge?
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_01: London Bridge.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_01: Came falling down.
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_02: Tower Bridge.
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um Were his brothers also drawn and quartered or just beheaded?
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_00: I think they were just beheaded.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not, I'm not sure because I didn't research the brothers too much, but they were killed later, executed later, and put their heads next to him.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_00: They put their heads next to him.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm wondering how long this tar preserves your head for.
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_00: For a good amount of time.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_01: And again, it was there as a show.
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_00: So people knew, hey, don't mess with us, this is what'll happen.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_00: Could you imagine like walking into somebody's home back in the day and they're like, here's the bridge, there's the river, and uh, if you look up here, we have some traitors on the spikes.
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, and there's Willie Mollis' head.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_01: Say hi, Willie! Look at him smiling down at us.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_01: You'd like to take a selfie later, he's available.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_01: Oh gosh.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_01: And then they put his four limbs in very strategic places.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_01: So it was in Berwick, Sterling, again where the Battle of Sterling was.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_01: Perth and Newcastle.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_01: Did you read anything how they displayed the body parts there?
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_01: They just like I have an imagination and I think they just strung it on.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, maybe they like nailed it to a piece of wood or they like strung it up by some rope.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_00: People were also illiterate then.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_00: So when you have a picture of William Wallace and you're like pointing an arrow like this, this guy, it's him.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_01: I know, right, right?
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like, with like mom, whose whose leg is that?
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like, ooh, let me go ask the townspeople who are looking at.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_01: I can't read, honey.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_02: I can't read it.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_01: I imagine it like, you know, how you have like welcome to Scottsdale, you know, and like the little town welcome signs.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_01: I imagine them putting it next to the welcome town sign.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_01: Very welcoming.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if that was a thing or not.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_01: Could have been.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I have a fun fact for you.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I love fun facts.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, as you know.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_01: I know you do.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_01: So they determined that the cost of his execution, because we've talked about this before, how executions were not cheap.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 55:47
  SPEAKER_01: You had to pay for the executioner.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_01: I've already paid for mine, it's a lot of money.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_01: I suppose, like supplies.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, location.
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's like a venue.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's like a wedding.
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I need the venue.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_00: Ooh, what am I gonna wear?
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_00: Do I have flowers?
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_00: This is just like a very dark.
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_00: Good guy.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_01: Uh William Wallace's cost of execution was 61 shillings and 10 pence, which in today's money would be about 2,150 pounds or about 2,800 US dollars.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_01: I would say that's a fairly expensive execution for back then.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_01: I suppose.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's because of all the steps.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_01: I've never paid for caskets, so I couldn't tell you.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_01: I couldn't tell you.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_00: But but I think to be murdered, like the cost of just like, hey, kill me, I think that's high.
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_01: I think like just a hanging or just a beheading would be less than all the steps probably.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_00: That executioner worked for as much.
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say it's an upsell.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_00: They're like, they're like, okay, for disembowelment too?
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_00: Whoever sold that execution actually wouldn't have bowed it well quite well.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_00: They're like, okay, so we'll just hang him.
• 56:49
  SPEAKER_00: Great.
• 56:49
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so that's gonna be uh whatever shillings.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, but you know what we should do after that?
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_00: How would you like it if we just kind of cut off his junk?
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_00: That's gonna be an extra.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_00: But we can do it because.
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_00: You know what?
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_00: We have a bundle package today, so if we do the first three.
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_01: And we'll get your two brothers afterwards for half price.
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_01: Special deal for you.
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_01: But we're people.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, so that's basically the story of William Wallace.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, the cool thing is, of course, he has monuments now, and he's gone down in history as a He's the icon of Scotland.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_01: There's actually an, and I would really love to go here.
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um, there is the National Wallace Monument, which is in Sterling.
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_01: Funny enough, where one of his limbs was also located.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, and they have, it looks like they still have one of his swords that you can go and see.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_00: I'd be curious to see if they ever gave him a proper burial, like where his limbs ended up.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_00: Did they ever like recover them and put them in one place?
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_00: Or were they just in the wild and attacked by animals?
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_01: Probably rotted at one point.
• 57:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm just saying, did were they ever recovered?
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_00: Because usually that happens, they recover the body somehow.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like the Romanovs, they did that.
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_00: But I suppose for him, he was just in too many places.
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_01: That was a bad joke.
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_01: You're on one tonight.
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_01: That's got you.
• 58:17
  SPEAKER_00: You guys should take a little tally of like, okay, like how does she react to whiskey?
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_00: We get dark.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_00: We haven't had whiskey yet.
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's bad.
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_00: Don't do it.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_01: Don't do it.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_01: Well, do you have anything else to add about William Wallace?
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um, oh, actually, as I was thinking about all this, I think this is a prime episode for a little quitter quo.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_00: Remind me what that is.
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so quitter quo, okay, Latin for like this or that.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_00: So we talked about this in our third episode with Captain William Kidd.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_00: William Kidd we did this.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so like which would you rather do?
• 58:45
  SPEAKER_00: Because I was thinking about Oh no, I don't want to be disembelled or No, no, no, we're not gonna get okay.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_00: We already talked about the really gruesome stuff.
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_00: So this is more just general because we talked about the beginning of the episode how William Wallace um was one of the younger people that have been executed thus far in our podcast.
• 59:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so would you rather Oh I hate these would you rather would you rather die as William Wallace did?
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_00: Meaning you're in your 30s, you die in a blaze of glory.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_00: I'm in my 30s.
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so this is you, right?
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, you're in your 30s.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um you die in a blaze of glory where like fame and monuments come after you.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_00: Statues?
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_00: All the big statues.
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but you have to die again, young in your mid-30s, 35, and you have to die in the most horrific fashion you could probably think of.
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_00: So that's option one.
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_00: Young blaze of glory, die horrifically.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_00: Or similar to like like a Margaret Paul or maybe a Salem Wish.
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_01: She was also had a botch.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, okay, not botch.
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we won't say botch.
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_00: We'll say just a like a clean execution.
• 59:51
  SPEAKER_00: So say you're 65, 70.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_00: Like I go to sleep?
• 59:55
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_00: You're still killed.
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_00: But you have a long life.
• 59:59
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 59:59
  SPEAKER_00: You die quickly, swiftly at the block.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_01: Am I happy?
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you've had a very happy, like, you know, mostly generous.
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_01: What class am I?
• 1:00:08
  unknown: Class.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_00: You're asking a lot of questions here.
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so you're high class.
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_00: You're okay.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_00: You're a high class um lady of town, and you die when you're 70.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_00: One quick little swift chop because they think somehow you're treasonous when you're 69 years old.
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and you're unfortunately die without any monuments, nothing to your name.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you die fairly unknown.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_01: Why do you ask me these big lessons?
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's a big thing because it's a quitter quote.
• 1:00:36
  SPEAKER_01: Alright, well, that's a good question.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_01: You go first.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thanks.
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_00: I will answer as I think about it and hear your answer.
• 1:00:41
  SPEAKER_00: Name the ambitious Slytherin that I am.
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_00: I would be young, I would go out in a blaze of glory and give me the worst 15 minutes of my life, maybe two hours, however long it takes to do all that stuff.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_00: I'd take it.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_00: I'd take it.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_00: If I knew that I was essentially immortal and you'd put up monuments in my name, do it.
• 1:00:59
  SPEAKER_00: Do it.
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I would take.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm going opposite.
• 1:01:02
  SPEAKER_00: No way.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_01: I would.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a Hufflepuff.
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_01: So I would say long, happy life.
• 1:01:07
  SPEAKER_01: Got a lot of family.
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of friends and family and love.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_01: Quick death at the end.
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_01: I don't need fame and glory because I will be infamous in heaven, living a long, happy, virtuous life.
• 1:01:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's very sweet.
• 1:01:24
  SPEAKER_00: We still ultimately die the same way.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_00: I just have a little bit.
• 1:01:29
  SPEAKER_00: We're not that different.
• 1:01:31
  SPEAKER_00: You think every day become more of a slither and the more I hang out with you, but I think she is.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's fun.
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_00: It's funny because like when I met Megan years ago, like very much a Hufflepuff in many ways.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, it's sweet and so much, everybody polite.
• 1:01:44
  SPEAKER_00: She still is polite, you know, but over time I've seen these glimpses of death here.
• 1:01:52
  SPEAKER_00: And then, like, and sometimes she shows me these outfits like for our work holiday party this year.
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_00: She's like, what do you think of these five outfits?
• 1:01:58
  SPEAKER_00: And they're all like emerald green and wrist-yeah green.
• 1:02:01
  SPEAKER_00: Green's my color right now.
• 1:02:03
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, well, it's because you're on my side.
• 1:02:04
  SPEAKER_00: I'm literally wearing a Slytherin shirt right now.
• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_00: I wasn't gonna say something.
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_01: And you're wearing a green shirt that says Slytherin.
• 1:02:12
  SPEAKER_01: Ambitious.
• 1:02:13
  SPEAKER_01: I have a wardrobe rotation, and this has fallen to the back of my rotation.
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_01: I have Slytherin socks.
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_01: I should have worn my whole shirt.
• 1:02:19
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 1:02:19
  SPEAKER_01: Why does she have Slytherin socks?
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_01: Because it came in the pack of five.
• 1:02:22
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 1:02:23
  SPEAKER_00: One was the Hogwarts crest.
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_00: Luckily, our friends are all a good mix.
• 1:02:27
  SPEAKER_00: So we have like one other Slytherin, a Ravenclaw, another Hufflepuff in our group.
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_00: You need the balance of our.
• 1:02:33
  SPEAKER_00: We are still seeking a Gryffindor.
• 1:02:34
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know why we don't have Gryffindor friends, but open for availability.
• 1:02:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we have one more spot left.
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_01: Let us know if you're a Gryffindor.
• 1:02:42
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, we really went far on that.
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
• 1:02:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um William Wallace, uh very gruesome death.
• 1:02:50
  SPEAKER_01: But clearly Elizabeth wants the same as a immortal.
• 1:02:54
  SPEAKER_00: I've got four more years left, and I'm gonna go out with a bang.
• 1:02:57
  SPEAKER_00: Oh boy.
• 1:02:58
  SPEAKER_00: Well, Elizabeth, on that note, any last words?
• 1:03:01
  SPEAKER_00: Not today.