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- 0:01Speaker 1: Welcome to radioiz's Diary of Science and Nature. Your reader's
- 0:06Kelly Taylor. I'll have articles related to science and nature,
- 0:10but first a reminder. RADIOI is reading service intended for
- 0:15people who are blind or have other disabilities that make
- 0:18it difficult to read printed material. Her first article comes
- 0:22from Smithsonian. The headline reads, as interest in deep sea
- 0:28mining grows, scientists raise alarms about the possible ecological consequences.
- 0:37This is from July the eighteenth. The deep sea is
- 0:44an extreme environment, featuring crushing pressure, near freezing temperatures, and
- 0:51total darkness. It can be hard for humans to imagine
- 0:56anything capable of withstanding such conditions, and ye yet life persists.
- 1:02In rare trips to the deep sea, scientists have uncovered
- 1:06sea cucumbers with purple magenta omber coloring, yety crabs with
- 1:14hairy featherlike claws, octopuses with ears like the Disney character Dumbo,
- 1:21irridescent mollusks, and phantasmic jellyfish. This life is all but
- 1:28a fraction of what scientists suspect exists on the deep
- 1:33sea floor. But just as researchers are beginning to discover
- 1:37the multitude of species that call the ocean floor. Home
- 1:41countries around the world are already making plans to mine it.
- 1:46Minerals on the deep sea floor were discovered in most
- 1:49oceans in the eighteen seventies during the Challenger expeditions. However,
- 1:55interest in mining these minerals was not popularized until the
- 1:59mid twentieth six century, when American geologist John L. Merrow,
- 2:04known as the father of ocean mining, promoted the practice
- 2:08in his nineteen sixty five book The Mineral Resources of
- 2:12the Sea. Global demand for critical minerals found in seabed
- 2:17areas like nickel, cobalt, manganese, and lithium or on the rise. Currently,
- 2:22these minerals are most commonly mined in Indonesia, the Democratic
- 2:27Republic of Congo, South Africa, and Australia, respectively. Many of
- 2:32these sites have been accused in recent years of committing
- 2:35a variety of human rights and labour abuses. Concerns about
- 2:40the long term viability of such minds are also leading
- 2:43companies to look for minerals elsewhere. These minerals are used
- 2:48in defense technology, smartphones, electric vehicles, and even medical devices.
- 2:54The International Energy Agency predicts that by twenty forty, demand
- 2:58for these minerals from clean inners technologies will at least
- 3:03double under one scenario. So now the prospectors are turning
- 3:08to the depths of the ocean. The International Seabed Authority,
- 3:11the body in charge of approving exploration and development of
- 3:15deep sea mining projects in the international waters, has currently
- 3:19issued thirty one mineral exploration contracts, but it has not
- 3:24yet approved any commercial mining operations, as the regulations for
- 3:28such activities are still under review. Meanwhile, thirty seven countries
- 3:33have so far taken positions against deep sea mining on
- 3:37international waters, citing potential environmental harms. Last month, the Trump
- 3:44administration announced that the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management would
- 3:49begin to fast track the development of deep sea mining projects.
- 3:53The move follows and executive order President Donald Trump released
- 3:57in late April calling for the expedition of domestic and
- 4:01international deep sea mining projects as a means of strengthening
- 4:05our economy, securing our energy future, and reducing dependence on
- 4:11foreign suppliers for critical minerals. The debate surrounding deep sea
- 4:16mining represents an interesting tension, as the minerals it produces
- 4:21help power many of the technologies that countries need to
- 4:25achieve sustainability. Goals such as reducing reliance on fossil fuels.
- 4:30Yet many environmental scientists are wary of how the process
- 4:35might harm the deep sea ecosystem, an area of the
- 4:38world that we still know very little about. Current estimates
- 4:43say that less than point zero zero one percent of
- 4:48Earth's deep sea floor has been explored. In an effort
- 4:52to understand how the deep sea environment might be affected
- 4:55by mining, we contacted five experts and ask them several
- 5:00d questions. How does deep sea mining work? As of now,
- 5:05geologists are considering three different methods to mine the floor
- 5:09of the deep sea, Though some effects and processes overlap,
- 5:14each type employs different technology that picks up distinct mineral deposits,
- 5:19and their environmental impacts vary. The first of these methods
- 5:24targets sulfide deposits by crushing or on hydrothermal vent systems
- 5:31near the sites of volcanic activity at depths between three
- 5:35thousand and thirteen thousand feet. The second looks to obtain
- 5:40cobalt rich crusts that have accumulated over millions of years
- 5:44on the tops of seamounts between depths of approximately three
- 5:48thousand and eight thousand feet by peeling these crusts off
- 5:53from the bedrock. The third targets polymetallic nodules, potato shaped
- 5:59mineral bits about the size of a fist that contain manganese, iron, copper,
- 6:05and nickel. These nodules are found at the deepest parts
- 6:08of the ocean, at depths surpassing thirteen thousand feet. Polymetallic
- 6:13nodules are mined using a subsea collector. Imagine an undersea
- 6:19rumba about the size of a small house, tracking over
- 6:22the seafloor and scooping up what's there. Hydrothermal vent mining
- 6:28and cobalt crust mining also employ mining vehicles on the
- 6:32seafloor in order to collect sulfide deposits and cobalt crusts
- 6:37after they are broken off and removed. Each mining method
- 6:40involves transporting a slurry of mined minerals to a surface vessel,
- 6:46where valuable minerals are then separated from useless residue. Polymetallic
- 6:52nodule mining has drawn the most interest. Nineteen of the
- 6:56International Seabed Authority's thirty one explorations contracts are four identifying
- 7:03potential sites for mining these nodules, the largest of which
- 7:07is the Pacific Ocean's Clarion Clipperton Zone or CCZ for short.
- 7:13This section of the Eastern Pacific spans one point seven
- 7:17million square miles off the western coast of Mexico. How
- 7:21would deep sea mining affect deep sea wildlife? Scientists are
- 7:27still unsure about deep sea mining's potential impacts on creatures
- 7:30that call the seafloor home, but from what they have
- 7:34been able to uncover, many predict that mining will have
- 7:36an incredibly negative, if not irreversible effect on this unique ecosystem.
- 7:43According to Muriel Rabone, a researcher in the Deep Sea
- 7:47Ecology and Systematics Group at London's Natural History Museum, though
- 7:52the CCZ has been under the most exploration to identify
- 7:55sites for nodule mining, the area is essentially a scientific
- 7:59black hole. There's such extensive knowledge gaps in a lot
- 8:03of deep sea habitats, Raboni says. Rabone was a key
- 8:08or co author of a twenty twenty three study examining
- 8:12biodiversity in the CCZ. Based on existing data on the
- 8:17area's species, Her team found that approximately ninety percent of
- 8:22species in the area are undescribed. Of the few species
- 8:26that have been characterized so far, scientists have uncovered arthropods
- 8:31and worms to the most common creatures on the floor
- 8:34of the CCEZ. Quote. Wherever you're going to be mining
- 8:39in the deep sea, you're going to be disturbing very
- 8:41slow growing types of habitats, says Catherine Miller, an environmental
- 8:47scientist at Lancaster University in England. Quote. There's also a
- 8:51high degree of endemism, which just means the organisms are
- 8:56really highly specific to live in that particular area. According
- 9:03to Miller, because everything evolved to live in an extremely dark, cold,
- 9:07and high pressure environment, species on the seafloor are highly specialized.
- 9:12She adds that any sort of ecosystem recovery will likely
- 9:16be extremely slow or simply won't happen at all, because
- 9:21the deep sea's unique habitat conditions would be so disrupted.
- 9:25How would deep sea mining affect other ocean animals? Environmental
- 9:30concerns associated with each form of deep sea mining are
- 9:33not limited to its effects on species that live in
- 9:37the deepest abysses of the ocean. Species that live higher
- 9:41up in the water column may also be affected by
- 9:44the mining as it dredges up sediment plumes that then
- 9:48rise toward shallower areas. According to Miller, modeling of the
- 9:53proposed mining plans suggests that sediment plumes could drift for
- 9:58several miles through out the water column, though Miller acknowledges
- 10:03that it's difficult to predict exactly how far this sediment
- 10:07plume would travel. Scientists are worried about its potential risk
- 10:11to filter feeders organisms like baleen whales, certain fish and
- 10:16sponges that feed through filtering water. Quote, They're going to
- 10:21be filtering sediment, which could clog up their gills and
- 10:24cause them all sorts of problems, she says. Moreover, the
- 10:28noise pollution associated with deep sea mining technologies also has
- 10:32the potential to harm cetaceans species like dolphins and whales
- 10:37that use echolocation to communicate, even though these creatures largely
- 10:42inhabit waters miles above where the direct impact of mining
- 10:46would be. Quote. The thing with sound is it travels very,
- 10:52very well in water, says Kirsten Young, population biologists at
- 10:57England University of Exeter. According to Young, because the ocean's
- 11:02unique physics, certain frequencies can travel more than three hundred
- 11:06miles through different ocean basins. Quote. Cetaceans use sound to
- 11:12communicate all the time. So if there's something that's a
- 11:15really loud noise, and it could be a loud constant noise,
- 11:18or it could be a sharp bang, and it depends
- 11:20on where it is and what frequency that noise is,
- 11:23it can mask the communication that they have between each other.
- 11:27As young. For example, the noise is produced by deep
- 11:31sea mining technologies could startle deep diving deep toils, causing
- 11:36the animals to rise to the surface much faster than
- 11:39is safe due to the pressure change. A mass stranding
- 11:43of beaked whales in twenty eighteen, possibly due to an
- 11:46unknown source of seismic activity, offers a bleak look into
- 11:51how noise pollution might harm these animals. What would be
- 11:56the long term effects of deep sea mining. A study
- 12:00published this March in Nature confirms many scientists fears that
- 12:04deep sea mining would damage the seafloor ecosystem. Researchers compared
- 12:09to nineteen seventy nine sight of a deep sea mining
- 12:12test in the CCZ with neighboring undisturbed areas, had found
- 12:18that the site still had lower levels of biodiversity nearly
- 12:21forty four years later in twenty twenty three. Moreover, the
- 12:25study found that the physical signs of the test were
- 12:27still visible. Scientists could still see a clear zone that
- 12:32had been stripped of polymetallic nodules and track marks from
- 12:37the vehicle used to collect them. The original nineteen seventy
- 12:42nine tests employed roughly forty five foot long experimental mining
- 12:47machine that mined an unknown quantity of nodules over four days.
- 12:52Daniel Jones, co author of the study and research leader
- 12:55at the United Kingdom's National Oceanography Center, said that the
- 12:59law long term impacts of the mining disturbance are still
- 13:02clear when observing wildlife such as sponges, corals, and sea
- 13:07anemonies that spend their lives largely immobile on the seafloor.
- 13:12According to Jones, although some of the more mobile creatures
- 13:15had begun to repopulate to similar numbers seen in undisturbed
- 13:20parts of the ocean, the diversity of life may take
- 13:24centuries or more to return. Although Jones acknowledges that modern
- 13:29mining vehicles may have the technology to create less of
- 13:33a disturbance than the nineteen seventy nine test vehicle, he
- 13:37emphasizes that the extent of that old test was incredibly small,
- 13:42yet still left a long lasting mark. Modern mining sites,
- 13:46he notes, will likely be the size of a small
- 13:49town or larger. Quote. The current proposed method of mining
- 13:54is still to have a vehicle on the seabed floor,
- 13:57so the mining vessel will be on the seafloor. Miller heads,
- 14:01I don't see how with the weight of that vessel
- 14:03it's going to not cause the same amount of environmental damage.
- 14:09Could mining affect other environmental elements on the seafloor. Andrew Sweetman,
- 14:15a seafloor ecologist and biogeochemist at the Scottish Association for
- 14:20Marine Science, had been doing experiments with benthic landers, large
- 14:26devices used to observe the ocean floor when he and
- 14:30his colleagues noticed something strange quote. They were showing that
- 14:35the oxygen, instead of going down, instead of it being consumed,
- 14:38was going up, Sweetman says. A few more tests later,
- 14:42and Sweetmen's team confirmed that oxygen was being produced by
- 14:46manganese oxide particles on the seafloor, most commonly found in
- 14:50polymetallic modules or nodules. Sweetman and his team coined the
- 14:55term dark oxygen to refer to this discovery. Oxygen production
- 15:00that does not depend on traditional photosynthesis processes which require light.
- 15:07Scientists are still unsure of what purpose the dark oxygen
- 15:10serves in the ocean floor ecosystem. It's even possible that
- 15:14the substance was triggered by researchers' instruments disturbing the nodules.
- 15:20Quote Is it a microbial process linked to the manganese oxides?
- 15:25Is it an electrochemical process linked to the manganese oxides?
- 15:30Is it something completely different that we haven't thought about,
- 15:33Sweetman says quote. Once we figure that out, we should
- 15:37be in a better position to figure what is the
- 15:39ecological world if any of the process in the ecosystem.
- 15:45Sweetmen's findings are evidence that scientists simply don't know much
- 15:49about the deep ocean ecosystem at all. The worry is
- 15:53that if the nodules are indeed naturally producing oxygen, then
- 15:56the removal of those nodules could have grave consequences for
- 16:00the local ecosystem. What are the key takeaways about the
- 16:04environmental impacts of deep sea mining? Mining companies have lauded
- 16:09the lower environmental effects of deep sea projects compared with
- 16:14land based mining, while also emphasizing that the retrieved minerals
- 16:18will be used in green technologies. Quote. The polymetallic nodules
- 16:23literally sit there like golf balls on a driving range,
- 16:27says Gerard Barren, CEO of the Metals Company, which is
- 16:31looking to be the first to commercially mine the ocean floor. Quote.
- 16:35We can pick those nodules up and turn them into
- 16:37metals at a fraction of the environmental and human impacts
- 16:41compared to mining on land. Proponents say that the demand
- 16:46for these minerals will keep rising and that the deep
- 16:49sea offers a valuable alternative source for them. The Energy
- 16:53Transitions Commission think tank reports that under a baseline scenario
- 16:59where we deploy more or clean energy technologies and maintain
- 17:02the same recycling trends, our demand for nickel, lithium, cobalt,
- 17:06and copper will be higher than supply by twenty thirty. However,
- 17:10other groups have pushed back against this prediction. In an
- 17:14October twenty twenty four report, the International Council on Clean
- 17:17Transportation think tank wrote that concerns over a supposed mineral
- 17:22deficiency were quote overblown. Many scientists have doubts about deep
- 17:28sea mining's claim to sustainability. Besides preliminary research on mining's
- 17:34impact on the ocean ecosystem, and still unanswered questions on
- 17:38its potential effects on the ocean's oxygen production and carbon storage.
- 17:43Scientists also say that the deep sea is a near
- 17:46impossible place to regulate. While terrestrial mining can be monitored,
- 17:51says Jung, the CCZ, for example, is a particularly difficult
- 17:55place to oversee, and it would require a serious financial
- 17:59investment meant to fully understand the impacts of mining there.
- 18:03Young's worry is that commercial deep sea mining will go
- 18:06something like commercial fishing, which historically has not been well regulated.
- 18:12Quote the ocean is a bit of a black box,
- 18:14and I don't think we know enough about it to
- 18:16be embarking upon an industry which is going to change
- 18:19it irrevocably. Young ads. I'm not convinced that we can't
- 18:23find the minerals in other ways, and we can't be
- 18:26more responsible with the minerals that we have in use already. Quote.
- 18:31Sweetman emphasizes that scientists need more time to do research
- 18:35and to be more vocal with their concerns. Quote We're
- 18:38going to need to eventually, you know, be brave and say, Okay,
- 18:42we know we don't know everything, but we know enough
- 18:45to make a few decisions now, he says, now we're
- 18:50going to turn to National Geographic. In this article's headline,
- 18:55The Hidden Talents of Nature's Unloved Animals, written by A. J. Jacobs,
- 19:05the vulture has to be one of the most reviled
- 19:08creatures on Earth. The very word vulture is an insult,
- 19:12a synonym for a greedy exploiter. In a way, vulture's
- 19:16bad reputation is understandable for starters. They are neither cute
- 19:20nor cuddly, while with their stooped posture, bare heads, and
- 19:24beady eyes. They spend their days eating dead animals, and
- 19:28they do it in a stomach churning way by entering
- 19:32the corpse at its soft parts such as mouth, nose,
- 19:36or anus. Vultures definitely have an image problem, says natural
- 19:41geographic explorer Darcy Ogata, African program director at the conservation
- 19:48nonprofit Peregrine Fund, who points out that a bald bird
- 19:52sticking its beak up the rear end of a wildebeest
- 19:55wouldn't make for the most appealing magazine cover. The bird's
- 20:00pr problem has real world consequences. It causes us to
- 20:04overlook the vulture's fascinating behavior and vital role in our ecosystem.
- 20:11Without vultures, bad things happen. These birds act as nature's cleaners,
- 20:17hoovering up rotting carcasses and preventing the spread of disease.
- 20:22Considered the drastic situation in India, starting three decades ago,
- 20:26vultures nearly disappeared after millions of them there were accidentally
- 20:30poisoned by medicine used on capples, which turned out to
- 20:34be toxic to vultures. As a result, the countryside became
- 20:38littered with rotting, germ filled animal corpses that infected the
- 20:42rivers and drinking water, and also boosted the population of
- 20:46rabies carrying feral dogs. According to a recent study in
- 20:50the American Economic Review, the decline in vultures correlated with
- 20:54more than half a million excess human deaths in a
- 20:58population sample in India between and two thousand and five.
- 21:03In an ideal world, the disappearing vulture population would be
- 21:06a conservation priority, but it isn't. The vast majority of
- 21:11global conservation money goes to a few top species, usually
- 21:16large animals such as rhinos, elephants, and gorillas. Quote The
- 21:20rest of conservation gets the scraps of Goddes said, the
- 21:24animals fighting over those crumbs are what you might call
- 21:27the d list species, the outcasts. We're talking about the vultures,
- 21:32the naked mole rats, and the probosis monkeys with their pendulous,
- 21:37blobby schnazes. They're not pretty, they're not colorful. They often
- 21:42do gross things, such as eating feces, a habit of
- 21:46the naked mole rat. They are the polar opposites of
- 21:50the conservation icons, the lions, panda's, penguins, and giraffes that
- 21:54star in nature documentaries, appear on our cereal boxes, and
- 21:59get the lead rolls in animated movies. Conservationists call the
- 22:03A listers, charismatic megafauna, or flagship species. Several studies show
- 22:10that they get a lopsided share of donations. As one
- 22:14study puts it, animal charisma Trump's endangered status. Just one example,
- 22:20Amphibians account for about twenty five percent of threatened vertebrate species,
- 22:25but only get two and a half percent of funding.
- 22:27No one wants to kiss or donate to a slimy frog.
- 22:31What does it take to be a very important animal?
- 22:35It helps if you're cute, furry, jumbo size, and or
- 22:39adorned with attention grabbing outerwear. Think the interesting patterns of
- 22:44leopards and zebras. Cuteness is an especially powerful draw thanks
- 22:49to our brains programming que what we find is cute
- 22:52in animals is often the same things we find cute
- 22:54in human babies, such as big, forward facing eyes, says
- 22:59Gabby Salazov, a environmental social scientist and National Geographic explorer.
- 23:05We're genetically designed to love and nurture babies and baby
- 23:09ish animals, such as the panda, which appears on the
- 23:13WWF logo reap. The benefits being on the A list
- 23:17comes with yet another benefit, what psychologists call the halo effect.
- 23:22This means that we mistakenly imbue attractive people in animals
- 23:26with additional positive characteristics, such as moral goodness. It's why
- 23:31so many movie heroes are equipped with gleaming teeth and
- 23:34chiseled jaws, and so many villains have scars. But in reality,
- 23:40both with humans and animals, prettiness doesn't equal benevolence or courage,
- 23:45and neither does ugliness equal nastiness or cowardice. Just look
- 23:49at the two can quote. I love twocans, but they
- 23:53don't just use that beak to eat fruit, says Salazar.
- 23:56They also use that beak to scoop up baby birds
- 23:59from other birds nests, not something you'd see too, can
- 24:03sam from fruit loops doing so, how do we fix
- 24:06this pr problem? How do we get the animal kingdom's
- 24:09outcasts more attention and the conservation dollars they deserve? Salazar says.
- 24:15One key is to tell better stories. For starters, we
- 24:18can highlight the benefits some of these animals provides, such
- 24:22as the vulture's role in garbage disposal. This is actually
- 24:26a century's old strategy and a tongue in cheek letter
- 24:29to his daughter, Ben Franklin questioned the candidacy of the
- 24:33bald eagle as a national emblem. He argued that dumpy
- 24:37turkey was respectable and a bird of courage that defended
- 24:41its home turf, just as the American colonists defended theirs.
- 24:46He contrasted this with the bald eagle, which Franklin called
- 24:49a bird of bad moral character and accused of stealing
- 24:53fish from other birds, which it does. Another strategy is
- 24:57to reframe these animals supposedly bad carearacteristics. For instance, the
- 25:02vulture's unpleasant looking bald head is in fact a clever
- 25:05way to help keep the bird from collecting germs in
- 25:08its feathers when it's eating carcasses. The sloth's alleged laziness
- 25:14is really a brilliant evolutionary adaptation. Its slowness is a
- 25:19super efficient way to survive on a low energy leaf
- 25:22filled diet. The naked mole rat may look like a wrinkly,
- 25:26bucktoothed hot dog, but this quirky creature has evolved to
- 25:31survive without oxygen for eighteen minutes. One other idea is
- 25:36to lean into these animals freakiness. Salazar says there's some
- 25:41new research on water being called ugly cute animals quote
- 25:46ugly cute animals or animals that are so weird or
- 25:49not stereotypically cute that they actually end up being fun
- 25:52and make a smile and laugh. She says some species
- 25:56are wacky enough that they can benefit from this ugly
- 25:59cute fun nomenon. Exhibit A is the blobfish, an Internet
- 26:04star with its ugly mug featured next to captions such
- 26:08as how I Feel on Mondays. Salas are sites a
- 26:13recent study on probosis monkeys and how Internet memes correlated
- 26:18with an increase in donations to protect these Southeast Asian primates. Quote.
- 26:23In this attention economy, there's some novelty and humor we
- 26:26could capitalize on, she says, So let's get the revolution started.
- 26:31It's time to embrace the outcasts. Here's to hoping that
- 26:35one day we see cartoon naked mole rats on cereal boxes,
- 26:39college football teams named the Vultures, and a blobfish getting
- 26:43its own Pixar movie. For now, across these pages we
- 26:47celebrate the bizarrely brilliant traits and behaviors of these d
- 26:51list creatures. And now we'll share just a small portion
- 26:57of an article in The Guardian about the importance of
- 27:01the ocean being realized. David Attenborough, just a earshy of
- 27:06his one hundred birthday, has said that he's come to
- 27:11the realization that the most important place on Earth is
- 27:14not on land but at sea, and this message, backed
- 27:17by undeniable indicators of poor ocean health, has boosted calls
- 27:23for more ocean governance and protection. They had a UN
- 27:28Ocean summit in Nice, France and decided that if ever
- 27:33there was a defining moment for the ocean, it was
- 27:36happening here. There was also a sense of this sentiment
- 27:39being shared in the wider world, where, partly thanks to
- 27:43the Summit, many are finally waking up to the reality
- 27:46of the serious decline of something that makes up more
- 27:50than seventy percent of Earth's surface. That will be all
- 27:56for today's Diary of Science and Nature. Your reader was
- 27:59Kelly Taylor. Now stay tuned for the Health Corner on
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