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My name is June. This is June.
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Warfare, the battle of ideas. Good big guards.
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Thank you for joining me in the trenches.
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Yes, thank you John for having me.
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It's a great pleasure. Just with regards to your
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surname, Gods, that's German. But here in South Africa, in
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Afrikaans, that G gets a, a guttural sound.
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That's quite interesting how that's changed over the over the
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years. Hearts.
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It would be hearts in South Africa.
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I mean, I grew up close to the Dutch border in Germany and I
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know that's how they speak. But so, I mean, I don't, I can't
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speak German, actually I can't speak Dutch either.
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But it's interesting how that how that G sound has changed.
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So. In, in in in German, you
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wouldn't use that guttural sound, would you?
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No, the Dutch do that. I mean that.
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Was like 10. 10 miles away from where I grew up, they spoke like
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that. Don't you find?
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Don't you find languages and accents absolutely fascinating?
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Yeah, how they change, how you can even follow them if you go
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historically back and like English basically was was a
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German dialect until the 11th century.
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And then then in came in, the Normans imported a complete
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language like French was just taken into English and then that
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was kind of mixing together what is then English.
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Is that why they say Germanic? I mean, the Anglo Saxons were
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Germanics, they came over from the mainland and English people
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are closely related to us, although they don't like to be
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reminded of that for some reason.
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But I mean, the UK, it's so small and the diversity of
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accents is incredible. Yeah, because you had over in
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history, you had the Danish people coming over.
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You know all. Kinds of.
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I mean, it was often that there were the Normans, the the
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Danish. But I mean, what I'm, what I'm
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getting at is, is in such a small geographical region, just
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England itself, how the, the way in which people sound becomes so
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dramatically different. And I often wonder how that
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occurred or or why. Well, it was.
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It was even more differentiated like in the Middle Ages before,
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you know, be before these central governments came like in
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Germany or even Germany, France, anywhere.
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If you were born in a certain place and you left that place
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for like 30 miles in any direction, you would no longer
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understand anyone and I. Wonder why?
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Yeah, but that's what I'm asking.
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I wonder why? They were similar.
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I mean, all these different dialects of German were similar,
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but differently enough so that if you move away 30 miles, you
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don't understand the people. And then you came central
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governments. And perhaps you have to speak
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like that or you have to like Paris came and they prescribed
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how everybody was supposed to speak French.
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And then that kind of developed that people could understand.
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But you can still see the differences.
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But the differences were much worse centuries back.
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Yeah. Well, what's interesting, what's
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interesting is that I find you easier to understand than than
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many from people from the UK. I understand that.
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Yeah. I lived there for three years in
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London in the 80s. Yeah, they have so many
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different. I mean, in London you find
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really everything. I mean you find all the all the
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dialects or everything from around the world, all the way
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people speak English, the Italian way, the French way,
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everything, the Indian way, a lots of.
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So, OK, Ludwick, you've, you've spent a long time researching
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Tolkien and the Lord of the Rings Here I find I find his
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work some of the best ever. I, I think if you had to ask me,
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which is my favorite movie, I would say the Lord of the Rings
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trilogy hands down. And I know that it's a bit of a
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departure from the books, but that's not the discussion.
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I'm saying the, the, the general storyline for me is just, it's
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just epic in, in every sense of the, of the meaning.
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Why did you start looking into the symbolism?
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Yes, that was in, in the first decade of this century, I, I had
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to friends who made me get interested.
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One was making me interested in the, in the monetary problem
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that we have. And the other was writing books
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about the symbolism of the Bible.
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And I went into both because I had lots of talks with them and
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I got fascinated, fascinated by both.
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And I wrote, I wrote my first book in 2008 then about the
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monetary system. What what problems develop
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automatically if you circulate the money that the way it has
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been circulated for centuries now and is always circulated
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against an interest on that. That's that's how how money gets
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into circulation. That has different effects that
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you can calculate mathematically like you have an automatic
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scarcity of money. You get an automatic
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redistribution from the working to the rich and super rich
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particularly so that you have this automatic poor rich divide
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that becomes ever graver the longer you circulate money that
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way. And today we have a world where
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a small group of people is about to create a complete monopoly on
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the whole planet. That's because the the the only
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one reason that is, is because we use the money that we use and
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that I wanted to show us. So we have the scarcity, we have
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the redistribution, we have the hostile competition where
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companies go to. War because.
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And which is basically only because the money is set up the
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way it is set up. It wouldn't have to be that way.
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The next is automatic creation of waste so that the resources
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are wasted. Those resources are more and
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more wasted and we transform the planet in more wasteland because
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of having to keep up with the, with the corrosion to grow, to
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grow the economy, which which comes along with the way money
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is circulated. So that, and then centralization
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of power, which is ever ongoing. Then the corruption of law.
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I mean, the, the distortion of law, everything is becoming
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upside down and, and, and ultimately it's, it's mafias and
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criminals taking off, taking over the complete legal system,
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which is what we have globally. And all that you can calculate
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is affected by the money. And you have this small group of
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people which are the only profiteers from the way money is
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circulated. So I showed all that in my book
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and then I thought, OK, this is all mathematics and people are
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not so much interested in. They want to see pictures, they
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want to, they want to see, they want to have both sides of the
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brain tended to. And so I thought, So what?
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What do I use? And then my mind was always
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drawn to drawn to the Lord of the Rings because the the
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central negative symbols are so precise.
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In in describing what money money does, what kind of world
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is created by it? Because the one ring is the
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monetary system and, and the temptation, the strong
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temptation is that if you get a lot of wealth, you no longer
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have to work. So that's this, everybody is
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striving for these, this ability.
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I must have enough and then I have this income and then I have
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that income and then that's. What the whole world is.
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For and that's the one ring, because this one ring then
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creates a world that looks like I've shown.
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I've shown no the destruction, the, the injustices, the, the
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immense power that the Super rich have, the powerlessness
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that the rest of us has, all that comes from from money.
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And and then I showed that and I and I went deep.
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And I mean, I basically you, Sauron is the, the small group
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of people who control the money and who have all the power,
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which are mostly invisible. I mean, you have figures like
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like Elon Musk, Peter Teal, Bill Gates, but they are visible.
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They are not the most, they are not Sauron.
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They are just puppets of Sauron of the people who have the real
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power over this planet. And so, so I went into that and
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and you said and it was very, very well showing all these, all
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these dynamics that I've shown. Particularly there are 9, there
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are 9 effects that money has, and that's the 9 ring race.
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So it all fit very well. And after I published that, I
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thought there's much more in it. And then for a few years I went
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even deeper into it and I saw it's not only about money, but
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it's a big spiritual message to the whole of mankind, the whole
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lot of the rings thing. OK, so just for clarity, you're
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saying that Tolkien symbolically depicted the entirety of of
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mankind from? Our history, yeah.
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And in the last 700 years, basically after the reoccurrence
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of the One Ring, you could say after it was absent for some
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time, you can explain the historical developments of the
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last seven years. If you look at the monetary
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system, it was a dominating factor.
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The money 1st and then the the the hidden superpower, that of
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the people who control the money, who steer everything in
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the way they wanted. All that you can show through
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The Lord of the Rings, yes. And you go all the way back to
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ancient Rome and then go forward to like the 22nd century even.
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There were two times in the past of the Lord of the Rings where
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Sauron actually had the 1 ring on his fingers.
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One was in at the time of Numano, which is symbolically
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for Atlantis. So the Atlantic, the Atlanteans
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were the first who had this at this type time of this this
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thing that they had a hidden elite to controlled everything
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and corrupted everything. Which is ultimately why Atlantis
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was destroyed. And then they searched again
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through the time of Egypt and peaked again in ancient Rome.
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And then luckily they were stopped basically because they
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lost the there. They they failed in expanding
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through Germany, through Germany, because they were
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ultimately stopped there. And then after that everything
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collapsed. But then, so to say, the way of
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thinking that was spread by the Romans, this way of thinking of.
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It it also goes along with the legal, with the legal system,
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which is also symbolized by the one ring.
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It's this attitude that whenever there is a legal dispute, the
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original attitude of our ancestors before the Romans was
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whenever there's a dispute, all people have their rights.
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And you see two people and you see that both get their right,
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Matt. And you see, where's the dispute
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that seemingly not both can have their right?
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But then you see, OK, you find a solution that both can live
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with. And that's that's basic what a
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legal system should do. But what the Romans did is when
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there's a dispute, you find one who is guilty, who has to pay.
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You kind of commercialize it. You always find one who has to
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pay. You put a burden on someone and
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he has to pay forever. And that's what the monetary
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system, you create debt and people have to pay forever.
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And that's not what what an economy should do.
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So this way of thinking was kind of overcome to a certain extent
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through the downfall of Rome and through the Germanic, the
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Germanics taking over Western Europe.
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I mean, the, the Lombards took over Italy, the the Franks took
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over goal, the Goths took over the Iberian Peninsula, the the
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Anglo Saxons took over Britain. So, and that is how the Western
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culture was created. So the Germanics was the
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symbolist Iselador, you know, Iselador who?
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The Germanics who defeated Rome but then took head onto the
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ring, that was this this thinking of the Romans also
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creating hierarchies. Who?
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Rule over the others. So like this way of creating an
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aristocracy was not there and the Germanics before that was
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due to the Roman influence that that developed.
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So you had these hierarchical societies that was holding on to
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the One Ring in a certain way, but the economy was kind of
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freed from that. So there was no, there was no
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this poor, this rich poor divide was not there throughout the
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Middle Ages. It only returned at a certain
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time. And that is when the when the
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small groups formed like in the 14th century that are today
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about to get control over the entire planet.
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And that's all shown symbolically by.
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I mean, yeah, what I wanted to say easy to do was the Germanics
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and they took took over like all the.
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Western Rome like Italy, they took over Italy, they took over
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GOAL which became France, they took over Spain and Portugal
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took over Britain. And that is basically what
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western the area that created Western culture, because that's
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the main parts where the white people from from the states came
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from the basically from that part from that Germanic or
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Germanized parts of Europe and also the Australians and the
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white S Africans. And so that's basically the
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Western world that is Aragon. The air of Isidore.
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The culture that come that goes back to this ancient Germanics
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and the parts of Europe they took over and that is today the
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the part the one person Sauron feels most is Aragon.
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So the one thing that the western that the global elites
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who try to take this planet, the one thing they fear most is the,
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the, the original Western values that we hold and that will
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corrupt, very much corrupted in the last 60 years through all
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the things that happened to the Western world, like the sexual
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revolution, the the feminism and this whole complete spread of
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materialism and selfishness and ego.
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And me, me, me that went into the culture And that is really
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destroying our cultural roots. But if we get back to those
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roots, if we can revive this true Western culture that really
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protects freedom, if we can preserve that, then they will
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fail. And they know that.
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That's why they have been trying everything to destroy the
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Western world in the last 60 years.
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Did you know that Tolkien was born here in South Africa?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know that. And you know that the word
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talking and the name Tolkien is a German word, German name.
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So he had German ancestry also. Yes, and well I believe, correct
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me if I'm wrong, but his father was a banker which gave him some
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insight. OK, it doesn't astonish me.
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I didn't know. It doesn't astonish me.
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I might have it wrong, but I I recall reading that some way.
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Which would also, which would also then feed into how he would
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have understood the monetary system.
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Yeah, and he was absolutely horrified by the world wars.
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He he absolutely hated that Western people, that Western
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peoples were killing each other off.
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That was such a disaster. So obviously, Ludwig, I know
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it's very complex, but just very briefly, anybody listening to
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this will immediately want to know how some of the characters
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fit into the framework that you that you're laying out.
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Yeah, if you know the, the, the the tree of life, you know what
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it looks like. It's, it's like there's a circle
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at the top and then you have two 22 and between the lower 2 ones
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there's a central one and there's one one.
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That's a depiction really of the seven levels of human
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consciousness from physical to the divine.
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So it's a physical, the energetic, the mental, then the
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heart, which is at the center, then the spiritual, then the
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soul level, and then God. And all these levels, for all
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these levels talking has symbols.
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So if you know, if you happen to know the we just briefly touch
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it, right. If you happen to know the
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surmarillion, it it's a Iluva tie at the beginning who creates
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everything. So that's his symbol for God.
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He but he basically creates the Valla and then leaves the scene
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and the Valla do everything, everything else.
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Sorry, my voice. Oh my God, just I have to oil my
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voice otherwise I'm losing it. So the next, the next two parts
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are the Vallas who then went on to create everything in in so
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no. So he created the Vallas and he
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created like these two continents, Aman and Middle
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Earth. Aman is the symbol for unity
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consciousness where you have only God, only the divine.
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And so to say of the positive, negative side, you have only the
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positive. There's no second, there's no
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negativity, just just love and awareness and everything that is
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divine. So but that's a state that you
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can lose and drop into duality where there is also ego and
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negativity. And that place that we can drop
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to is Middle Earth, where where his the elves that committed a
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sin in Amman and then had to leave and had to go to, to to
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Middle Earth. So that's this condition where
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the Bible says when Adam and Eve lost the paradise.
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So that's this fall from unity into duality where everything is
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connected. You can't have joy without
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sorrow. Everything has a second sight
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and that's the experience we make on earth as humans.
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So that's that's basically where he starts and develops
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everything else. It's kind of merely mythological
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at the beginning, but then becomes historical because he
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goes into Numano, which is Atlantis, and then he goes into
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the second time that Sauron had the ring on, which is Egypt and
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Rome. And then that is stopped, but
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not really solved. And then you have the Middle
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Ages and then the monetary system as we have it today
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returned in the 14th century, and then all the problems came.
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So, so you have the soul level, which is the Vallas.
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Then you have the spirit level, which is the Elves.
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It's our spiritual, the spiritual level of our
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consciousness. Then you have the heart, the
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heart which is the half elves and the half elves like Aaron,
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he has, he has an ancestor called Milian who came from a
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man who was who was sent by the Vallas.
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So she was a Maya. So she came from that soul
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level. Then he has elven ancestry,
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which is the spirit level and he has men in his ancestry which is
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the mental level. So which is a symbol that we had
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a spiritual evolution where the heart became the place that
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connects all the levels of our of our consciousness.
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And where you can through the heart, through the love in the
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heart, you can experience God. It's actually the only way to
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reach God is through the love in the heart.
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There's no other way. That's what he showed through
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his symbolism. And also, of course, how we lost
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it, how we got lost in negativity again and again, and
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how it's very complex to read my books, but I'm trying to.
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So you have the soul level. Let's get back to the symbolism.
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Otherwise I get lost. You have the Vallas, the elves,
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the half elves. Then you have men, Then you have
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the dwarves. And actually you have two points
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for the Vallas, which is male, female, 2 points for the elves,
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male, female, 2 points for the men which is male, female, and
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then you have one point for the dwarves.
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And what people don't realize, there's only male dwarfs, which
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of course, biologically speaking, that is impossible.
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But this is a symbolic world. And the qualities he's depicting
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through the dwarfs are mainly male qualities.
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There's no female qualities on that level because on the level
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of on the energetic level, well, the, the energetic part of our
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consciousness is about our desires, our, our sense of how
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we feel taken care of in life. Our, how we, how we feel in, in,
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in a group of people are in society, which where it's about
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comparing with others. That's the energy where, where
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feelings like envy and and, and jealousy come.
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That's the energetic part and where you need to stand like you
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have to take a stand of being renouncing, renouncing your
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desires or taking a stand for non violence, which is male
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masculine attitudes. That's where there's only
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masculine dwarves. And then you have the the lowest
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point, which is the physical plane, which is Middle Earth
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where everything takes place. So every, all our experience is
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bound to this physical body that we have.
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So that's the the entire, the entirety of the tree of life is
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depicted by talking symbolism. And what you don't have there
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yet is the hobbits, which is an additional layer which came
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later where he says they are closely related to men to us.
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And that's depicting that there came a time when human thinking
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was mostly dominated through certain patterns or habits of
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thinking. And hobbits mean habits.
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So there's there's habits and there's three, there's three
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types of hobbits. There's the got the original
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English ones. I don't even know they have
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names. Anyway, one stands.
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That's the three what the Indians call gunas.
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So it's it's tamasic, rajasic and satvik.
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So the the Thomas is the tendency to to, to to to
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laziness, to do nothing, to inertia.
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The the Rogers is a tendency to be active, to be always doing
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something. And the the Satwik is the only
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level of habits that is actually suitable for the spiritual path
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where you have a balance of of activity and inertia, where you
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where you're not prone to laziness and you're not prone to
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restlessness, right, common sense.
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Common sense. So that would be common sense.
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It's, it's, it's, it's a place of the mind where you can stay
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active, but stay focused, always focused and relaxed.
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And that's, that's that that state is what we need to
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progress on the spiritual path. And that's.
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Frodo. Is that Frodo?
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From those hobbits Frodo comes. Yes, OK.
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And and Mary comes and Pippin comes and Sam comes and Bilbo
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comes the bargains, which he explains at some point at the
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beginning of the Lord of the Rings, where where these hobbits
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stem from. For for him everything is who
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does someone belong to and where does he stem from?
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That's that's what defines the meaning of the figures.
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You see where they come from then you can see, OK, what
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quality do they stand for? And the bargains, the word back,
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I mean, the back takes on everything, right?
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The Baggins is his his symbol for common sense.
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It's common sense. So Bilbo both and Frodo,
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difference being that Bilbo is the, I think the right side of
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the of the brain and Frodo is the, the left side.
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And there was a time when Bilbo passed on the ring to Frodo,
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which refers to a time around 1800 when due to
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industrialization, the way people thought in Europe and in
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the Western world shifted towards more towards the more
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analytical side. That also when the school system
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came in, everybody had to go to school and we would, we were
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taught to, well, to, to, to predominantly act with the left
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side of the brain. That was the shift.
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But so we have all these influences in our life and we
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learn so many things, most of which we don't have sufficient
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data to actually have an opinion on them.
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We just hear all these things and, and we don't even have the
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time to, to, to analyse most things to, to come to like no,
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to, to a place where we say, OK, I have saw through this and I
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believe this and this. So mostly through life, because
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we just don't have to, because it's so complex what comes to
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us, particularly through the Internet now and and all the
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media, that the one thing that we always have to keep and use
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is common sense because it's it's our mind that makes a
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decision. You make a decision this way or
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that way. Mostly you have insufficient
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data, but the best guess you have use your common sense.
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And that's why Frodo is the most is the ring bearer because the
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problem that we have in our life, we ultimately have to use
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our common sense predominantly. But even though towards the end
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Frodo was losing that ability. Yeah, because because the, the,
30:46
well, that's a symbol for the spiritual path that as human
30:49
beings, we can only go to a certain point.
30:53
And to ultimately reach the goal of returning to the to the true
31:02
place who we are, to the, to the true child of God that we really
31:07
are, that needs grace. And what ultimately saves him is
31:13
grace. So that grace everyone needs at
31:15
the end. Sam, So I mean Sam, Sam was the
31:18
one who who kind of saved the day in many ways.
31:23
Yeah, Sam. Sam is a symbol.
31:26
When he thought of accompanying Frodo on the path, the first
31:32
thing that came to his mind and master Frodo, are we going to
31:36
see elves? I want to see elves.
31:37
So he's completely focused on this spiritual, spiritual side
31:45
of life. The elves is the spirit, so the
31:47
spiritual values. And so no, the quality stands
31:54
for is optimism, staying optimism, no matter how hard it
32:02
becomes, no matter how big the problems are, how, no matter how
32:08
hopeless everything may seem, and even if our mind things like
32:14
Frodo things, I have no more hope left.
32:16
If you have hope left, you go on.
32:18
I just follow you. That was mostly the end.
32:21
That's this quality. We can reach the World that we
32:26
want. We can reach this world of
32:28
peace, of freedom for everyone. It looks hopeless, but if we
32:33
lose that optimism, we are lost. That's why Sam is the most
32:37
important figure in many ways. We we must have that, not
32:40
because it's justified to be optimistic, but because we
32:46
cannot live without optimism. We have to be optimistic.
32:52
What is the symbolism of Gandalf and Saruman?
32:59
Well, Gandalf is basically this the wisdom chakra here that
33:06
connects through through to the divine.
33:08
So he comes from Amman, which is unity consciousness.
33:12
So gun life is the ability to go even far beyond common sense and
33:20
look with supreme wisdom and things.
33:24
And that's a quality that we actually developing through this
33:29
and and which is which we need. I mean, we need this this
33:33
wisdom. Yeah.
33:37
That's what he stands for. Saruman is you see W the Western
33:45
people, we came from the ancient cell Celts and Germanics.
33:57
And in pre Christian times there was a lot of wisdom in these
34:05
people which was kind of largely destroyed and then yeah,
34:17
unavailable because of Romanization and because of
34:20
Christianization and Sodom. And is the quality that which
34:26
became really active in the 16th, 17th, 18th centuries.
34:33
Like 1 figure like that was Shakespeare because he had all
34:39
these figures which came from the pre Christian time, like the
34:43
I think he had all I don't know if he had elves, but fairies,
34:47
all these things. And he tried to reconnect with
34:50
that a lot. And there were, there were these
34:59
currents in Europe where people wanted to reconnect with that
35:04
time and regain the wisdom from that time that was lost through
35:08
Christianity. And that's a Roman.
35:12
But those, those currents, those spiritual currents, they were
35:19
largely corrupted through nationalism in the 19th century.
35:24
That's where ultimately the fascism and national Socialism
35:28
came from. And that's, that's, that's the
35:32
betrayal of Tarroman. Yeah, you actually see what it
35:36
looks kind of like World War 2 that's being represented in in
35:41
the movie. Yeah, the Urokai.
35:46
I mean there there are these arcs by Sauron who hate daylight
35:52
and the Urokai that Saruman created.
35:55
They can run even in daytime. Which is that the racist
36:04
ideologies that were spread by by the Nazis and the other
36:07
fascist regimes, they were made normal.
36:16
It was normalized to be racist against certain other peoples.
36:22
So this utterly despicable view of looking down on people
36:28
because of just because of who they were, where they were born
36:31
or this was made acceptable. So that is that these orcs,
36:38
these negative, absolute negative, despicable views of
36:43
life, they were made to look normal.
36:46
That's the, I mean, the Urukai, they symbolize this, this
36:54
negativity that was created by, by fascism in Europe.
36:58
And also you see that Solomon after the war of Hems deep, Hems
37:05
deep, he lost all his power. So that was the end of fascism.
37:10
So when he lost, that was the time.
37:13
That's one of the places where you can see where we are on the
37:16
timeline when Solomon lost. That was 1945.
37:20
What's interesting there also is that the trees nature got
37:24
involved with that, with that wall.
37:28
Yeah, that is, I mean, that symbolism goes very deep, yes,
37:33
but the the ends are they are all.
37:39
I mean, Tolkien has mortal and immortal figures, right?
37:45
And the we as human beings, we, we have an eternal spirit and an
37:53
eternal soul which is there before we were born, which will
37:56
be there after we die. And the aspect of the
38:00
consciousness that is eternal in US is symbolized by the immortal
38:07
figures. So the elves are immortal, the
38:10
ends are immortal. The the values of course,
38:13
immortal. The soul is immortal and Sauron
38:18
is not immortal, but he only dies at the end, which means
38:22
that these negative forces that the human mind is bound to,
38:29
which you would call ego. Normally everything that circles
38:32
around ego, that's that's what Sauron symbolizes, also means
38:37
that the ego doesn't die. When your body dies, whatever
38:42
ego you have, you will take into the next life and you have to
38:45
cope with it. And only when you reach that
38:51
spiritual goal can the ego leave and you can reach through the
38:54
place of true freedom and true peace.
38:56
That's basically what the symbolism says in the end.
39:00
But the fascinating thing is that the whole Lord of the Rings
39:02
is actually telling the stories that we the story that we are
39:04
going through right now. We are going through this and
39:10
and I'm getting lost. What what I want to say it's
39:20
it's a bit difficult to keep a focus.
39:22
So the ends they symbolize the place of complete stillness
39:32
within the human mind. So that's that's what you can
39:34
reach through meditation when you I don't know if your person
39:38
who meditates, what if those who meditate, they know when you
39:41
reach this place of complete inner silence and peace, That's
39:46
the ends, right. And at some point that tree bird
39:53
says, on which side am I? I'm on nobody's side because
39:57
nobody is on my side because all the other qualities they
40:00
represent some kind of activity in the human mind.
40:04
But he stands for this silence of non activity that and every
40:09
every motion that is created in the mind.
40:13
Is basically not on the side of the ends you understand.
40:17
And what what he shows is that during World War, during the
40:25
Nazi era in Germany and World War 2IN particularly where the
40:29
propaganda was reaching peak levels.
40:34
And I mean in on both sides and the and and on the Allied side
40:37
where it was just full of anti Nazi propaganda.
40:42
Kill the Germans, kill the Germans, kill the Germans.
40:45
And, and in Germany, of course, there was a Nazi propaganda.
40:52
And that's, that's the, the the Urukai who who went into Fangon
40:59
Forest and really angered the ends because that, that
41:05
propaganda really destroyed the inner silence that people had.
41:12
So it was, it was impossible to escape because it was so noisy.
41:17
And in a way, it was also absolutely ridiculous.
41:19
I mean, if you look at if you look at the ideology that places
41:23
people above others just because of who they were born is it's,
41:27
it's so utterly despicable and ridiculous.
41:31
And people, you see the problem in Germany was people after,
41:39
after the, the Nazis claimed power, those who spoke against
41:44
them, they, they quickly landed in prison and many of them were
41:47
killed. So people knew they had to
41:50
withdraw. It was, it was deadly dangerous
41:52
to speak out against the Nazis. And they, they kind of seeked an
42:01
inner refuge where they disconnected from this noisy
42:04
propaganda. And many really found God.
42:10
Also, many of the soldiers who had them, were they, they were
42:12
in such a desperate situation. They just pray.
42:15
But through their prayer, many of them found this inner place
42:18
where they were connected with God, found his inner silence.
42:23
So Mary and Pippin, they, they are qualities.
42:26
They, they, they stand for merriness and joyfulness.
42:29
So this is Mary and Pippin is for the light heartedness and
42:34
the the the Nazis really wanted to take this complete power, but
42:39
they didn't, which is they wanted to Solomon wanted the
42:44
ring from Frodo, but all he managed was to get his hand on
42:47
Pippin. And Mary was that through,
42:50
through the world they created, they for some years they took
42:53
away people's joy in life and they took away the
42:56
lightheartedness which was these two hobbits.
43:00
But through the revival of the ends, which is that people had
43:05
to go within, through this horrors of World War 2, they
43:09
just had to go within and they couldn't do any, anything much.
43:14
They couldn't do much else. And many found this, this inner
43:19
place of silence. And in this spiritual
43:22
connection, they also found that they would actually be able to,
43:29
to feel some joy in life again and some lightheartedness.
43:32
That is the revival of Mary and Pippi and through the ends you
43:36
see it's a very complex, but it is exactly depicting what really
43:39
happened. It's it's a different kind of
43:42
history books. But because he shows what did
43:45
really happen in humans minds in at that time.
43:50
And that ultimately was a downfall because because people
43:55
reconnecting with God, they, they, they could utterly see
43:59
the, the, this pick ability and, and ridiculousness of fascism
44:05
and of national Socialism. So the Germans also, they very
44:09
much disconnected. There were not many Nazis left
44:11
at the end of the war. They were, they knew they were,
44:14
had been completely betrayed by this and.
44:19
So Ludwig, if we take in a slightly slightly more meta
44:22
view, if if I can say that yeah of like of the control
44:26
mechanism. Is when you ask me certain
44:28
questions, I yeah, I have to explain you what it means and
44:32
why it means. Exactly, exactly.
44:33
Right. So if if we're looking at at
44:35
some of the sort of meta zoomed out control mechanisms, you had
44:39
Sauron, yeah, representing high finance, which you were talking
44:43
about in the beginning. You had the king, the King of
44:46
Rings, Roth, representing the deep states, I believe, and and
44:50
then the. Ring is very.
44:54
Yes. And then Minas, Minas mogul
44:56
representing. What did you say?
44:59
Mainstream media. Yes.
45:02
Mainstream media, the wall comes from it, from Minas Mogul.
45:05
That's where the troops come and that's the wall of the
45:08
mainstream media that started basically, well, they, they,
45:12
they took Osgilia's first. Osgilia is the lowest chakra, so
45:18
they went at people's integrity on the sexual level.
45:21
So they they started the sexual revolution, which is Sauron
45:26
taking Oz. Gilead is a sexual revolution
45:28
and feminism, feminism was always targeted at destroying
45:33
families, destroying the relationship between men and
45:35
women, using women to destroy families.
45:39
That's feminism. And so that was what the war
45:44
started with that what they did in the in the 60s and then they
45:47
went on to to the the fields, which is really spreading of all
45:55
the negativity have been spreading since 1970.
45:58
All this materialism, this complete selfishness that people
46:01
should always think of themselves first.
46:04
Tolkien died before a lot of this stuff played out.
46:08
Yeah. Was he making predictions do you
46:12
think? I don't think he was aware of
46:16
it, but when he was asked if this is, if this is mere
46:21
fantasy, what he's writing, he also said that this is the
46:25
truth. I know I'm writing the truth.
46:28
So what truth? What truth did you write?
46:35
No, he had some knowledge that he was saying, conveying
46:38
something very important, but he was inspired.
46:42
He came from a place, as I perceive it, He came from a
46:45
place of inspiration, divine inspiration.
46:49
And because he was a man with a very, very good heart and he was
46:53
very devout. He was a devout Catholic, but
46:57
really he was, he was really, as I feel it, he was really much,
47:01
very much surrendered to divine love, to the, to the divine.
47:05
And that's why God could use him for that.
47:09
And part of his work was the suggestion that the first half
47:15
of the 21st century, they would be a, what did you call it, a
47:20
5A5 point turning, turning, sorry, A5 stage turning point.
47:27
Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This thing.
47:29
So if you look if you look at the events of I mean we, we
47:34
have, we have 3 elven realms, we have 3 realms of men and we have
47:41
3 Draven realms which is the 9 parts of the of the human mind,
47:47
energetic, mental and spiritual. And if dark forces or ego forces
47:56
conquer the human mind to destroy us, they go for the
48:00
energetic level first, then for the mental level, then for the
48:03
spiritual level. So the the dominance over the
48:09
energetic level is symbolized by by the One Ring coming back and
48:15
then Sauron taking shape again. That's when when everything was
48:21
controlled by money, then the energetic level of the human
48:25
mind was completely controlled by money.
48:27
So the next level was the mental level is the level of the
48:33
political and legal level of, of our societies, which was
48:39
basically taken over by the formation of the deep state,
48:42
which has been ever since controlling our governments and
48:47
also the legal systems which really occurred in the in the
48:52
1700 eighties. And after that you have the,
48:57
the, the total control over the spiritual side, which means the
49:01
ability to determine what we think and not what we think to
49:07
be true and, and, and wrong and what we believe in and what
49:11
opinions we hold. That was the takeover of the
49:15
media, the, the, that they steer what we think throughout the
49:19
media. When they had that, they had
49:21
basically had complete control over the human mind of most
49:25
people. The problem they have is, is of
49:28
course the minorities who, who they don't control were
49:32
dangerous for them. And this, this happened by the,
49:37
by the First World War, basically by World War One, they
49:41
had this complete control through the, through the media
49:45
control of the energetic level, the money, the economy, the
49:49
control over politics, the governments and the control
49:53
about what we think through the mainstream media since World War
49:56
2. So if we ever were to liberate
49:58
ourselves, we had to reverse that.
50:02
So in this reversal started basically in the late 1990s and
50:17
more strongly after 9/11, 911 was a big wake up call for many
50:21
people. And the first thing was that we
50:28
liberate our thinking, which is basically what we have reached I
50:32
think through through the pandemic.
50:40
I think people they lost, they lost, they lost control over a
50:46
critical mass of people. They can't control our thinking
50:49
anymore. There's more than a critical
50:52
number of people who are not no longer fooled by what the media
50:56
tell them. So where we are at is the next.
51:00
So that level we have freed by now.
51:02
The next level would be the like the most brutal level is this
51:12
that they use the that they use the governments to, to to
51:22
imprison everyone they don't want.
51:23
Like that's, I mean, in Germany, there's so many people in jail
51:26
now who spoke out and really that system of the the king of
51:39
the ring race. He came from the witch king of,
51:42
of, of, of Angmar, right? He then transformed into the
51:45
king of the ring race and the witch king of Angmar is
51:48
basically devil worshipping sacrifice of children.
51:54
So what we have to achieve is we have to stop that and we have to
51:56
stop this sacrifice of children to if we really want to take
52:01
down the deep state. And that's what many people have
52:04
been working on in, in, in, in in recent years.
52:07
And I think we're getting there. If they, if they, if we bring
52:11
that town hall that we will gain control over over our
52:14
governments again. And I think that's the next
52:17
step, what we will see this year, next year, I think we will
52:21
see it soon that the, the, the deep state will actually fall
52:26
and all these things. And then we can ultimately
52:29
protect our children that they don't, that they no longer steal
52:33
our children to sacrifice them, which is still happening today.
52:36
I. Mean Lord of the Rings ends on a
52:38
very uplifting night. So then we have the liberation
52:44
of our thinking, which already happened the the takedown of the
52:50
deep state, which is hopefully happening this or next year.
52:55
But after that, even without the deep state, they still have, I
52:58
mean, they own this planet, They still have control over the
53:01
monetary system. They still control finances.
53:04
And they're about to steer things in a way where they are
53:10
abolishing cash. If they managed to abolish cash
53:15
and everyone going along, that would mean total dictatorship.
53:22
So there's something we we cannot allow.
53:24
And there must at least be minority that say, OK, when that
53:27
point comes, there's no more cash.
53:29
We have to create an alternative economy.
53:32
So that's why when the deep state falls, we are not there.
53:35
We are not at the end of our liberation yet.
53:39
But then we have taken 2, two of three steps already if the deep
53:42
state is down. But we have to reach a point
53:46
where where we create true brotherhood among people where
53:54
these these economic measures of exploiting others through
54:02
investment and, and, and getting a return, getting a return on on
54:07
investment is exploitation. And that's what our whole
54:12
economy is based on what we need to do globally or as as a
54:18
mankind as a whole, we need to get back to a place of
54:21
brotherhood where we exploit no one and everybody can live in
54:25
peace and prosperity. And that's the ultimate step.
54:28
And that's going to take some time after still and sometime
54:32
after the takedown of the deep side.
54:34
And I mean, there's much more detail to us, but that's, that's
54:38
a big, that's the overview you wanted to see, right?
54:41
Lord of the Rings took what, 3-4 decades to write?
54:46
And, and Tolkien, I mean, he dedicated his life to it.
54:51
So trying to trying to tap into this just in a space of one hour
54:56
is, is insanity. And I think you've done a pretty
54:59
good, a pretty good job thus far.
55:03
And I suspect, Ludwig, I'll have to invite you back for more
55:07
because obviously there's a lot more, but just what you can kind
55:12
of what I can as we, as we, as we, as we come in sort of for,
55:15
for, for the final lap. If you could, if you could maybe
55:19
perhaps tell me how can we apply to our daily lives?
55:26
You know, Lord of the Rings symbolism.
55:31
It this is all about spiritual reorientation and becoming true
55:38
humans. That's what the whole symbolism
55:40
is. He's shown us how we were
55:43
tempted to go into a materialism and selfishness that we thought
55:50
we have a right to be that materialistic.
55:52
We have a right to be that selfish.
55:55
And then see that this selfishness and that this
55:57
material is really destroying everything that is truly human.
56:03
That we reorient, reorientate and go back and, and find the
56:08
true values in life. That that's something every
56:10
human being has to do to, to, to re, to go back, go over there
56:14
and see what is really important for me.
56:18
What values are so important that this is what I stand for.
56:23
This is what I want to live for. And if enough people do that, we
56:29
take a stand for, for a world where of peace and where, where
56:36
people where we, where the, the social values of how we deal
56:42
with each other become more important than the gains, than
56:46
the financial gains and things, then we can transform this world
56:52
back into what God wants it to be like.
56:54
I mean, it's, it's a spiritual journey that everyone has.
56:57
And it's also a spiritual journey that we take together.
57:01
Collectively, and Tolkien himself obviously didn't like
57:06
the fact that money came with interest and so he would have
57:10
proposed interest free monetary system.
57:14
I don't know if he knew it. I don't know.
57:17
Yeah, he could have. I don't know.
57:18
It was Zivio Gazelle at the time.
57:20
You know, there were three major projects before the Nazis took
57:24
over. There were three major projects
57:26
with which were all crushed. I mean, no, there was one in
57:29
Germany, one in Austria and one in Switzerland.
57:33
The one in one in in Germany was over 1000 companies creating an
57:39
interest free economy among themselves like interest,
57:42
interest free supply chains. And when that like was becoming
57:46
successful, Berlin just looked at it and said no, we prohibit
57:50
this. So it was like.
57:51
Crushed by the by the government.
57:55
And Bergel also when when it was so successful that people
57:59
created wealth in the middle of the World Economic crisis,
58:04
Vienna came and said, well, if you don't stop this, we're going
58:07
to send troops, military troops. So they they also crushed it.
58:11
It's. It sounds a little bit like you
58:13
were referring to the Hanziatic League.
58:17
That was earlier. No, that was.
58:20
That was. In the that was in the.
58:23
Yeah, OK. And it was basically the rise of
58:25
the Nazis that stopped all that there was very was strong.
58:30
But wasn't the Hanziatic League also interest free?
58:35
I'm sure they were in the in the in.
58:37
The trade at the time we had we had an interest free economy in
58:41
Europe and we which was the phase of the absence of the one
58:45
ring. You know the one ring got lost.
58:47
That was a time when in Europe there were forms of interest
58:50
free economy and, and in the Middle Ages are very falsely
58:55
depicted in our history books because it was a time of great
58:58
prosperity, great freedom. Women were naturally kind of
59:02
equal, had equal rights. And and nobody speaks about it
59:09
because they don't want to know us.
59:11
They want us to know it because to know that there's an
59:14
alternative form of of monetary system.
59:17
That would actually liberate. Us and make us all prosperous
59:21
and the only the only ones who would lose out would be the
59:24
Super rich. There would be no billionaires.
59:26
But really, who needs to be a billionaire?
59:29
Nobody needs to be a billionaire.
59:31
Nobody needs that much money unless you want to exploit
59:35
others. All right, Ludwig, this is
59:39
absolutely fascinating. How can I follow your work?
59:44
So I have translated two of my talking books into English,
59:52
which is available as an ebook. There's no, I have no publisher
59:57
in England or or America yet, but it's available in ebook form
1:00:01
and it's also available as an audio book.
1:00:04
So there was an Englishman who lives in Wales.
1:00:10
Oh, no. In Wales has he got an accent
1:00:13
that I'm not going to be able to follow?
1:00:14
No. No, no, he's English.
1:00:16
He just booked. It's English.
1:00:17
No, it's very, it's very, it's very good English.
1:00:20
He speak, he's from Manchester, so it's OK.
1:00:23
I don't know if he has a very, very slight Manchester accent,
1:00:26
but not really. He's he's good English.
1:00:31
No, it's good English. Yeah.
1:00:33
So for those listening, what are the names of the books that they
1:00:35
can search for? So it's the ring annihilation
1:00:42
basically, and the symbolism of talking the.
1:00:45
Symbolism of talking. The whole the whole Middle Earth
1:00:50
world like it explains what are elves?
1:00:53
What are men? What are dwarves?
1:00:55
What are hobbits? What are Wizards?
1:00:58
What do you do these places mean?
1:01:00
What are the seven seeing stones?
1:01:02
What are the different rings? The rings of power?
1:01:06
What are they? Everything is in the similism of
1:01:09
talking. And then the the ring
1:01:11
annihilation goes from ancient Rome basically.
1:01:14
So the second the second time that Sauron had the ring on his
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finger towards like the Lord of the Rings, which goes into our
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future. And yeah, talking shows us we
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will reach this place. We although it looks hopeless to
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many people still we will get there.
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We will reach a place of World Peace and free peace and
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freedom. Not their new world order peace,
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but peace and freedom for everyone and prosperity for
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everyone. We will.
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We will get there. Ludwig Gartz, thank you for
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joining me in the trenches.