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Diante Lee on Super Bowl Expectations, Will Darnold lead Seahawks over Patriots, Rooney rule dishonesty | 02.06 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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Speaker 1: a hater. It is Deontay Lee Friday coming to us
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Speaker 1: live from, you are actually in San Francisco right now.
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Speaker 2: I am in San Francisco right now. Chilling in downtown SF, man.
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Speaker 2: It's been a while since I've been here too, so
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Speaker 2: it's good to be back.
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Speaker 1: Even though that game is not in nobody's San Francisco.
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Speaker 1: At all.
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Speaker 3: At all.
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Speaker 2: I just want people, if you have never been to
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Speaker 2: the Bay Area, to look up downtown San Francisco to
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Speaker 2: Levi's Stadium. And I want you to look at that
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Speaker 2: long-ass blue line, if it's blue. All right? Because chances are,
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Speaker 2: there's going to be a lot of orange and red
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Speaker 2: in there. All right? There's a big logistical problem, I think,
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Speaker 2: with having the Super Bowl out here.
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Speaker 1: You know, there are a lot of broad terms in geography.
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Speaker 1: I am from Houston, which is a broad term.
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Speaker 3: 100%.
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Speaker 1: However, like... New York is a broad term, but if
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Speaker 1: you are coming in to visit New York, it narrows
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Speaker 1: very quickly, right?
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: But I feel no term is broader than Bay Area.
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Speaker 2: 1,000%.
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Speaker 1: Bay Area means a lot of things. People are like,
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Speaker 1: y'all from the Bay. Those of us who ain't even
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Speaker 1: from there know you need to be a little bit
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Speaker 1: more specific.
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Speaker 2: Way more specific. I was just talking to somebody yesterday.
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Speaker 2: If I walked up to a random Super Bowl goer
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Speaker 2: and asked them if they had ever heard of Hayward, California,
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Speaker 2: chances are they have not. If I asked about Vallejo,
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Speaker 2: they probably only know it because of E-40 or kick
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Speaker 2: the sneak. It is way too nebulous a term for
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Speaker 2: the amount of cities and areas that it's in. I
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Speaker 2: was actually talking to a native yesterday and they were like,
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Speaker 2: San Francisco and the Bay Area is really a place
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Speaker 2: for locals. I think that that's a lot of California
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Speaker 2: when you talk about it. You mentioned it with New
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Speaker 2: York City. I think LA is the same where it's
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Speaker 2: so sprawling that when you say LA, people can get
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Speaker 2: whatever image they have of LA and you're probably accurate
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Speaker 2: based on where transients and tourists come. But for the
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Speaker 2: most part out here in the Bay, you've got a
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Speaker 2: bunch of Hills that ain't nobody trying to walk, right?
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Speaker 2: You got a bunch of areas that don't nobody know
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Speaker 2: about out here. You got bridges going in all kinds
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Speaker 2: of different directions. So, you know, I think it's hard
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Speaker 2: if you are not a California, not a native Californian
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Speaker 2: to figure out exactly what it means to be in
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Speaker 2: the Bay area and even in San Francisco specifically.
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Speaker 3: All right.
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Speaker 1: So this is my thing about this Superbowl, right? Obviously,
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Speaker 1: San Francisco and Oakland are not the same city, right?
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Speaker 1: But like, again, being from Houston, where Houston, the north
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Speaker 1: side and the south side, those are really like two,
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Speaker 1: if you said they were two different cities, they would
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Speaker 1: be two different cities that would be big enough to
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Speaker 1: be different cities. Only one of them would have the teams, right?
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Speaker 1: But they would, but you know, I feel like if
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Speaker 1: you said San Francisco and Oakland were in the same city,
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Speaker 1: you could sell the argument. Right. 100 percent. Very different places.
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Speaker 1: But if they were under the same city limits, you
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Speaker 1: could sell the argument, much like all the five boroughs
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Speaker 1: in New York City. Right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's great. I think that's a great
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Speaker 2: that's a great way to kind of think about it.
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Speaker 2: And then just shooting off from Oakland, you know, Berkeley
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Speaker 2: is Oakland adjacent, but not Oakland. You know, Alameda is
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Speaker 2: its own thing.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is you cannot sell San Jose
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Speaker 1: as being the same city as those other places. And
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Speaker 1: they get roped into what they call it, Bay Area.
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Speaker 1: I did a talk once at Santa Clara University, and
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Speaker 1: you fly into San Jose to go to Santa Clara.
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Speaker 1: I've been in the Bay Area before. I've been to
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Speaker 1: San Francisco. I've been to Oakland, okay? San Jose might
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Speaker 1: as well have been 500 miles away, dog. It might
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Speaker 1: as well have been Eureka. What's the other one y'all
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Speaker 1: got up there? Petaluma. It might as well have been
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Speaker 1: one of those as far as I was concerned, and
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Speaker 1: that's where the Super Bowl is more or less.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. It's funny you bring that up. I think that
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Speaker 2: that's that's kind of inherent to the California experience.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 2: Like people say you from someplace and then they ask
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Speaker 2: more identifying questions and they are quick to tell you
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Speaker 2: that where you are from is not the place that
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Speaker 2: you just said you're from.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 2: All you got to do is say the wrong thing
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Speaker 2: about being from L.A. and somebody will let you know.
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Speaker 2: That's the valley. That ain't that ain't from where we're from. Brother,
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Speaker 2: I thought the Bay Area is just like that in
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Speaker 2: that in that regard.
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Speaker 1: I thought I was going to graduate school in L.A.
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Speaker 1: I was going to Claremont.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, see?
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Speaker 1: And I just can't. All you need to know about
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Speaker 1: Claremont was when I moved there, they ain't had BET
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Speaker 1: on the cable. And on that note, we have an actual,
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Speaker 1: factual Super Bowl, man. Like, we are here. We're probably
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Speaker 1: getting to some other NFL, too, because something else happened
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Speaker 1: with the Eagles that all the football people keep telling
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Speaker 1: me is a giant deal, and we may need your
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Speaker 1: help in explaining it as you prepare to wreak more
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Speaker 1: hell upon Nick Sirianni.
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Speaker 3: But.
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Speaker 1: The more I think about this Super Bowl, I feel like,
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Speaker 1: and it's unfair because we all know how hard it
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Speaker 1: is to get to a championship in any sort of way,
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Speaker 1: but it sure does feel like the Patriots got there
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Speaker 1: without really doing that much. And I know that's not
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Speaker 1: fair to say, but it can feel that way at
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Speaker 1: some points. I feel like I watched Seattle beat the
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Speaker 1: brakes off San Francisco and then win a game that
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Speaker 1: may have been the Super Bowl, the NFC Championship. I
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Speaker 1: feel like The Patriots played one half against Denver, and
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Speaker 1: that's all it took, right? And, you know, the game
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Speaker 1: against the Texans, they were playing. C.J. Stroud was playing
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Speaker 1: for them. The Chargers had me at left tackle, you
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Speaker 1: at right, you know, so they was running to the right,
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Speaker 1: but still, you know?
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Speaker 2: No, I'm with you. It's funny, like, I was talking
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Speaker 2: to our buddy Charles McDonald about that yesterday, right? Like,
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Speaker 2: you bring it up to a Patriots fan, and of
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Speaker 2: course they're going to get cagey, and they say, hey,
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Speaker 2: we played three elite defenses on the way to the
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Speaker 2: Super Bowl. And you did. You got your ass kicked
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Speaker 2: by all three. Somehow, you find yourself here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they scored 10 points against Denver.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it took Jared Stidham literally losing his mind
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Speaker 2: on one play to decide that football game. All right?
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Speaker 2: It took five C.J. Stroud turnovers and Drake May dropping
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Speaker 2: the ball a whole bunch on his own before you
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Speaker 2: guys were able to pull away in that game. Like
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Speaker 2: I said, I think the Chargers are just kind of
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Speaker 2: dead in the water going in, evidenced by the fact
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Speaker 2: that they immediately fired their offensive coordinator after that football game.
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Speaker 2: All right. So I do think that I would never
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Speaker 2: say that a team's road to the Super Bowl is
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Speaker 2: fake because there's just so much attrition that goes on
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Speaker 2: in this. Right. I will always kind of give give
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Speaker 2: at least a little nod or a little kind of
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Speaker 2: a little kind of acknowledgement to what it takes to
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Speaker 2: get there. But I was looking up yesterday on True Media.
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Speaker 2: that they have only run 40 plays on offense where
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Speaker 2: they were trailing by more than eight points all year.
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Speaker 3: Wow.
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Speaker 2: And I started going back, right? Because I'm like, historically,
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Speaker 2: what does this mean? So over the last decade, there
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Speaker 2: were only three other teams that did this. The 2015 Patriots,
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Speaker 2: who were lost to history because they ended up going
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Speaker 2: to a bunch of Super Bowls again after this. This
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Speaker 2: is a team that lost to Denver in the AFC
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Speaker 2: Championship game. People should go back and watch that team,
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Speaker 2: that offense. We're talking about prime Rob Gronkowski. OK, we're
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Speaker 2: talking about fresh Tom Brady. All right. And they were
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Speaker 2: a wagon before running into Denver. You had the twenty
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Speaker 2: nineteen forty niners, which was at that point in time,
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Speaker 2: the best offense outside of the Chiefs in football. And
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Speaker 2: then the twenty twenty three Ravens, who might be the
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Speaker 2: most impressive of the three, because they played nine teams
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Speaker 2: that made the playoffs that season. If you think that
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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty five is the same team that I
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Speaker 2: just mentioned with those three, then we are looking at
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Speaker 2: two entirely different sports. You know, they're not the same
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Speaker 2: as what we are typically used to getting in the
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Speaker 2: Super Bowl, especially out of that conference.
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Speaker 1: So I think the stat we've seen, and I can't
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Speaker 1: remember exactly what it was, but I don't think, do
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Speaker 1: they have, did they have the weakest schedule by opponent's
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Speaker 1: record of all time, or are they just in the
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Speaker 1: mix of teams that were there?
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Speaker 2: I want to say they're in the mix.
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Speaker 1: Okay, because I know the worst for a very long
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Speaker 1: time was the 99 Rams. And also on that list
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Speaker 1: is the 72 Dolphins. OK, for those of you who
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Speaker 1: were too young to remember it, the 99 Rams looked
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Speaker 1: like a video game. Like they looked like nothing we
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Speaker 1: had ever seen before. The 72 Dolphins, obviously the only
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Speaker 1: team to go through the regular and postseason undefeated and untied.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 1: They were that was the middle team of a run
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Speaker 1: of teams that went to three straight Super Bowls in one, two.
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Speaker 1: I'm saying all that to say at no point did
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Speaker 1: we ever say this about the New England Patriots. The
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Speaker 1: things that I'm saying about those other teams, that's never
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Speaker 1: the way that we felt about them. And again, we're
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Speaker 1: all acknowledging you got to do something in order to
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Speaker 1: get here. But I've watched this team play these playoff games.
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Speaker 1: And at no point did they look impressive, right? The
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Speaker 1: most impressive thing that they did was the stones on
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Speaker 1: that Josh McDaniels to run that bootleg for Drake May
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Speaker 1: to get that first down to ice the game. But
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Speaker 1: what am I saying? The most impressive thing they did
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Speaker 1: was not let him throw the ball. And granted, it
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Speaker 1: was in the crazy snow, right? So I don't want
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Speaker 1: to sound like a hater, but you saw it and
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Speaker 1: I did too.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. You know, I think about I think about the
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Speaker 2: 2015 Panthers, right? The cam MVP season, they were able
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Speaker 2: to kind of beat up on a mostly down NFC
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Speaker 2: South that year, but you get to the playoffs and
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Speaker 2: you kick the shit out of the Seahawks and you
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Speaker 2: kick the shit out of the Cardinals who were the
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Speaker 2: next best team in the NFC. And by the time
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Speaker 2: you get to the Superbowl, it's like, we're not going
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Speaker 2: to talk about how light your schedule was when you
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Speaker 2: were undefeated for the first 14 weeks of the year
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Speaker 2: or whatever it had been. Right. Because we got those
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Speaker 2: signature moments that just hasn't happened. And I think it's
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Speaker 2: fascinating and people don't know what to do with this
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Speaker 2: team Because it's rare that you get this kind of
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Speaker 2: pathway to a Super Bowl for a team that is
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Speaker 2: going to have one of the top two candidates to win. MVP.
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Speaker 2: The guy who might be holding the MVP trophy never
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Speaker 2: had an MVP caliber moment in the playoffs up to
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Speaker 2: this point. And now you're playing maybe the best team
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Speaker 2: in football in the team that when people ask me,
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Speaker 2: as I've been walking by the one that I continue
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Speaker 2: to kind of couch by saying, I don't want to
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Speaker 2: be the asshole and say that the Super Bowl is
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Speaker 2: going to be a blowout. But I watched that other
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Speaker 2: team play and what they have beaten to get here
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Speaker 2: is a hell of a lot more impressive than what
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Speaker 2: we've seen from New England.
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Speaker 1: Well, quarterback postseason runs are interesting because, I mean, it's
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Speaker 1: going to come down to this one game sample that
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Speaker 1: is in front of us. And we are evaluating May.
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Speaker 1: on a three-game sample. Sam Darnold, if we were to
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Speaker 1: have evaluated him really previously on about a six or
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Speaker 1: seven-game sample, had been poor until he got to go against,
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Speaker 1: I mean, the Rams defense, they're not quite the Make-A-Wish foundation,
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Speaker 1: but they do make dreams come true, right?
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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Speaker 1: And they had him looking good. But I think about
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Speaker 1: those 2020 Bucs, the last Tom Brady championship, and people
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Speaker 1: won't remember this, but that was not a strong postseason run.
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Speaker 1: to Tom Brady, right? Like, he made some plays. I
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Speaker 1: don't want to pretend like he didn't do anything, but
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Speaker 1: he didn't play well in that run. They got to
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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, and he certainly played well enough, but
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Speaker 1: it was in part because it looked like the Chiefs
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Speaker 1: had nine people on offense, right?
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Speaker 3: 100%.
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Speaker 1: That is... That's still the most, I don't, people think
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Speaker 1: that this is just what the kids call it, glazing. Nah, man,
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Speaker 1: it is possible Mahomes put up the most impressive performance
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Speaker 1: I had ever seen in that game.
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Speaker 2: We'll never see that again. I don't care what the
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Speaker 2: outcome was. We will never see that again from that position.
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Speaker 2: I've never seen a quarterback look like that, right? Like,
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Speaker 2: you're a basketball guy. You've seen those NBA efforts where
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Speaker 2: somebody says, hey, 41 shots is what I got to
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Speaker 2: do to not lose by 50. Then 41 shots it is,
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Speaker 2: and I'm going to shoot 32% from the field, right?
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Speaker 2: And hopefully we can just hold on long enough We
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Speaker 2: don't really see that in the NFL context, and that's
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Speaker 2: exactly what that game was.
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Speaker 1: It looked like a high school situation where... Some guy
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Speaker 1: is really, really just like almost like those clips of
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Speaker 1: Zion with his high school team.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: Except those clips are always him and his merry band
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Speaker 1: of white boys against another merry band of white boys.
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Speaker 1: And it was just Zion. But you know, when you
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Speaker 1: see this happen, where there's like some monster guy that's
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Speaker 1: on one team and it's nobody else. When we get
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Speaker 1: to our break, I'll give you the comparison that I
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Speaker 1: will make to this that would work for California football.
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Speaker 1: But it's the one dude that's on and you play
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Speaker 1: it against the number the number three team in the state.
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Speaker 1: And the only person that's good is you. That's what
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Speaker 1: it looked like.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. It's when your discipline team that run the wishbone
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Speaker 2: get to the state championship. Now you got to see
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Speaker 2: the team from the large metro area that got all
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Speaker 2: the athletes.
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Speaker 1: Yes. And it's just, but they just got that one
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Speaker 1: running back. And every time he get the ball, you'd
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Speaker 1: be like, yo, he only got three yards right there.
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Speaker 1: But did you see the spin that he put in
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Speaker 1: the stiff arm that he hit him with right there? Right.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. That's the kid that's going to Rice or Stanford, right?
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Speaker 2: He's going to be the one doing GoPro and something
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Speaker 2: other than sports, but he's great for the high school level.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes. I mean, that's what Mahomes looked like in
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Speaker 1: the course of that. Just like, what else am I
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Speaker 1: supposed to be doing here, right? Like, what am I...
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Speaker 1: You know what? This also happens in high school, not
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Speaker 1: so much anymore, but it used to be where you'd
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Speaker 1: have a running back that was bigger than the lineman.
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Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
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Speaker 2: Yes. Actually, I got a perfect story for that. I
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Speaker 2: went to go see Royce Freeman, who went to school
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Speaker 2: in the Imperial area of Southern California. So we talking...
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Speaker 2: desert land, and I watched him come and play a
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Speaker 2: private Catholic school, so this is very much the exact
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Speaker 2: kind of situation that you're describing here. And the second
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Speaker 2: I saw him get off the bus for warm-ups, I
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Speaker 2: was like, ah, that's what Oregon looks like. I need
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Speaker 2: to take a picture of this to show the rest
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Speaker 2: of the high school players what the difference is between
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Speaker 2: this kid and the team that might end up going
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Speaker 2: to win a state championship because he's bigger than their
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Speaker 2: starting guard.
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Speaker 1: It happens. It happens. But I mean, you... You make
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Speaker 1: it interesting. You talked about Seattle. Like, we've seen them.
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Speaker 1: When they look good, they look good. And especially when
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Speaker 1: they can run the ball. Like, and it's in a
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Speaker 1: way that's, like, I don't understand why they can't run
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Speaker 1: the ball. Because when I've watched them, they haven't been
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Speaker 1: able to run the ball. But it's like, they look
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Speaker 1: like they should just be able to run on anybody. Like,
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Speaker 1: what's the holdup there?
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I think that it's one of those
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Speaker 2: kind of weakling things, right, on offense, especially when you
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Speaker 2: start talking about offensive line, right, that the worst of
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Speaker 2: the group ends up negatively impacting the team a lot
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Speaker 2: worse than the best players in that unit can positively
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Speaker 2: impact them. Because if you look at their tackles, Abe
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Speaker 2: Lucas and Charles Cross, they look pretty good in the system.
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Speaker 2: They're big guys, right? They block pretty well. Gray Zabel,
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Speaker 2: I would say, is probably one of the best rookie
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Speaker 2: linemen that we got out of this past draft class.
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Speaker 2: But I'm right there with you. You think about this
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Speaker 2: is a Shanahan scheme, which is supposed to be able
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Speaker 2: to take scrubs up front and be able to get movement.
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Speaker 2: And they run the play calls that are supposed to
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Speaker 2: work against the defensive looks that are supposed to work.
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Speaker 2: And it's two yards. It's four yards. It's six yards
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Speaker 2: when it could have been 20. I think that this
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Speaker 2: might be one of those games, though, where you get
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Speaker 2: that Kenneth Walker hits the edge untouched for 30, 40
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Speaker 2: yards because there is just a significant speed difference between
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Speaker 2: the way that Seattle plays on offense. and what New
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Speaker 2: England looks like on defense.
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Speaker 1: So you don't even feel good about their defense?
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Speaker 2: I really don't.
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Speaker 1: I really don't.
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Speaker 2: I really don't. I think that the AFC Championship game,
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Speaker 2: had they actually gone and beat Bo Nix, I might
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Speaker 2: have felt a little bit differently because then you would
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Speaker 2: have beaten Sean Payton with the quarterback that he trusts, right?
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Speaker 2: I might have believed it a little bit more. But
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Speaker 2: this is a team that has played in the snow
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Speaker 2: twice against two very bad offenses and has gotten the
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Speaker 2: gift of a whole lot of turnovers. You watch them
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Speaker 2: on a snap-by-snap basis, and I think that some of
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Speaker 2: this is reflected– When you ask Seahawks people who have
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Speaker 2: been around the team what the feeling in the locker
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Speaker 2: room is, what the feeling is coming out of practice,
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Speaker 2: and just about everybody there, for as gracious as they'd
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Speaker 2: like to be, will let you know, like, we watched
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Speaker 2: the film, you watched the film, and you tell me
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Speaker 2: what you think is about to happen. And usually when
15:53
Speaker 2: you hear that from a football player who has been
15:55
Speaker 2: programmed over years to be as deferential as possible to
15:59
Speaker 2: their opponent, it kind of lets you know where things stand.
16:01
Speaker 2: I don't think that anybody would be surprised if Seattle
16:04
Speaker 2: comes and kicks their teeth in on Sunday.
16:05
Speaker 1: When the team that talks like that says watch the film,
16:08
Speaker 1: that's when you get nervous. I don't know if you
16:10
Speaker 1: know the story on 06, Florida won the SEC championship game.
16:15
Speaker 1: I think they played against Arkansas in that game. They
16:18
Speaker 1: won it, and then whoever their film guy was, whoever
16:20
Speaker 1: was tasked with watching Ohio State, and Ohio State had
16:24
Speaker 1: run through the nation undefeated that year. The film guy
16:29
Speaker 1: comes up to Urban and looks at him, and Urban's like,
16:32
Speaker 1: so what you got? He says, two touchdowns. He's like,
16:35
Speaker 1: what do you mean? He's like, we're going to beat
16:37
Speaker 1: them by two touchdowns. Like he said, just simply by
16:39
Speaker 1: watching the field, it was clear that they were going
16:43
Speaker 1: to win that game by two touchdowns. And of course
16:44
Speaker 1: they won it by four. I want to say, but
16:47
Speaker 1: like that was, that was just what they got off dabble.
16:50
Speaker 1: So when, when they, when somebody says something like that,
16:52
Speaker 1: it's like, Ooh, the thing that makes it interesting to
16:55
Speaker 1: me about this Seattle team is, and I think for
16:57
Speaker 1: most of America, this is probably the case. Part of it,
17:01
Speaker 1: I guess is because of so much of the discussion
17:03
Speaker 1: around Sam Darnold, because, he's somewhere between famous and infamous
17:08
Speaker 1: because of the kind of interesting nature of his career.
17:11
Speaker 1: I don't feel like we know very much about who
17:13
Speaker 1: these other people are who are on this team. Like
17:16
Speaker 1: I even felt like with the Legion of Boom, by
17:18
Speaker 1: the time we got to a Super Bowl with them,
17:21
Speaker 1: even though it was really like the second year of
17:23
Speaker 1: that run, in part because he had Marshawn Lynch, I
17:25
Speaker 1: think in part also just because Richard Sherman had talked
17:28
Speaker 1: himself into our consciousness so much that we paid attention
17:30
Speaker 1: to everybody else. We knew who the dudes were who
17:33
Speaker 1: were on that team. I don't feel like we really
17:36
Speaker 1: know who these dudes are that are on this team.
17:39
Speaker 1: But they've been apparently the best team in the NFL.
17:42
Speaker 2: Well, and I mean, there's no mouthpiece there. It's not
17:44
Speaker 2: that they don't have a Richard Sherman. They don't have
17:47
Speaker 2: any mouthpiece at all. Because outside of Sherman, then, you
17:50
Speaker 2: still have Michael Bennett, who was a talker, right? He's
17:52
Speaker 2: interesting in his own right. You have Russell Wilson, who
17:55
Speaker 2: just has a public persona, even at that stage in
17:57
Speaker 2: his career, right? Because we had spent so much time
17:59
Speaker 2: with him at the college level. Right. You have Marshawn.
18:03
Speaker 2: You had... You know, you had Golden Tate at a
18:06
Speaker 2: point in time there.
18:06
Speaker 1: You had Pete.
18:07
Speaker 2: You had Pete, right? So like everything they're projecting at
18:11
Speaker 2: that time is if you're not looking at us, we're
18:14
Speaker 2: going to make sure that you look at us and
18:15
Speaker 2: give us a certain level of respect or we're going
18:17
Speaker 2: to force it up out of you. I do think
18:19
Speaker 2: with the Seattle team, and some of this comes down
18:21
Speaker 2: to coaching too, right? Like you hear Mike McDonald talk
18:23
Speaker 2: and it's like, that's a schemer. That's not a guy
18:26
Speaker 2: who is walking in trying to win your hearts and
18:28
Speaker 2: mind over with some inspirational speech. He's going to tell you,
18:32
Speaker 2: you line up here, you do this and you're going
18:33
Speaker 2: to win. And I think that the players have kind
18:36
Speaker 2: of adopted that as well. The same is true of
18:37
Speaker 2: Clint Kubiak, right? Like Clint Kubiak ain't getting in front
18:40
Speaker 2: of the microphone and giving you a Sean McVay-esque three-minute
18:44
Speaker 2: answer on why he made a certain decision. He's just
18:47
Speaker 2: going to show up with the pencil, put it on
18:49
Speaker 2: the paper, and you go do what it is that
18:51
Speaker 2: I drew up. And I think that the players kind
18:53
Speaker 2: of come across that way as well. And when you
18:55
Speaker 2: think about Sam Darnold, for a guy who has had
18:58
Speaker 2: an opportunity to fail as many times as he had,
19:00
Speaker 2: and I think that you made this point on social
19:02
Speaker 2: media as well, we would typically kind of have a
19:05
Speaker 2: tighter grasp on like who that guy is off the field,
19:07
Speaker 2: what his motivations are like, how he reacts to, you know,
19:11
Speaker 2: all the things that he has been through in his career.
19:13
Speaker 2: I honestly, had he not been a USC guy, I
19:15
Speaker 2: don't think I would have ever heard his voice prior
19:17
Speaker 2: to making this Super Bowl run. And it seems like
19:20
Speaker 2: everybody there is kind of cool with it being that way.
19:23
Speaker 1: Only thing I ever heard him say, I did not
19:25
Speaker 1: hear him say, and that was when he said he
19:27
Speaker 1: was seeing ghosts. Seeing ghosts, right? That's the only time. Also,
19:30
Speaker 1: Mike McDonald, if I was the security guard, at that stadium,
19:34
Speaker 1: he better wear his lanyard everywhere. Cause if he tried
19:39
Speaker 1: to walk past me without, hey, hey, hey.
19:41
Speaker 2: Hold on, partner.
19:42
Speaker 1: You in the polo, you in the polo. Hold on, partner. Hey,
19:46
Speaker 1: I'm in a hurry. I got to get to the, game. Hey, hey,
19:48
Speaker 1: everybody got to get to the game, partner. Exactly. You
19:51
Speaker 1: can get headphones anywhere, big dog. Show me some ID.
19:55
Speaker 2: Absolutely and then step to the side with me real
19:57
Speaker 2: quick yeah yeah yeah.
19:58
Speaker 1: Yeah because somebody talked to him right now exactly white
20:02
Speaker 1: man think i'm gonna just let him by i don't
20:04
Speaker 1: know you know fuck who he say he is um
20:07
Speaker 1: i would have no idea darnell yeah and i was
20:09
Speaker 1: making the point about darnell where i just everybody and
20:12
Speaker 1: i'm curious you especially someone who works in works in
20:15
Speaker 1: coaching and people who don't know deontay's a high school
20:17
Speaker 1: football coach um I just felt like we got so
20:20
Speaker 1: revisionist on Sam Darnold. Like, how could the Jets let
20:23
Speaker 1: go of Sam Darnold? Were you here?
20:25
Speaker 2: Exactly.
20:26
Speaker 1: He was bad. Like, there was no way. And look,
20:30
Speaker 1: a guy like him at his size, with his talent,
20:34
Speaker 1: I think they got a third round pick for him
20:36
Speaker 1: or something like that. And you could always go find
20:39
Speaker 1: somebody to try again on him. No, no, no. You
20:41
Speaker 1: could not. But everywhere he went, he was treated with
20:44
Speaker 1: a very particular sort of optimism of like, oh, no,
20:47
Speaker 1: we feel Kyle Shanahan. What's Kyle Shanahan did it right?
20:50
Speaker 1: Like Kyle Shanahan doing that is like when when a
20:54
Speaker 1: musician that's really famous or really big, like the Beatles
20:57
Speaker 1: talking about Chuck Berry. Now, all of a sudden, everybody
20:59
Speaker 1: got to get down with Chuck Berry. Because the Beatles
21:01
Speaker 1: said Chuck Berry was that.
21:02
Speaker 2: Dude, right? Absolutely.
21:03
Speaker 1: And then they jumped in the time machine and they
21:05
Speaker 1: went and did it. I felt like that was when
21:06
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan said that about Sam Darnold. Like, maybe you
21:08
Speaker 1: need to go do that about Trey Lance. Anyway, sorry,
21:12
Speaker 1: going all over the place. My point simply being, Sam
21:15
Speaker 1: Darnold was not good in these other places and he
21:17
Speaker 1: fell apart last year for Minnesota. Like a team that already, look,
21:21
Speaker 1: they got it wrong with McCarthy, but the mistake was
21:23
Speaker 1: not letting Sam Darnold go. Even this year, Dominique talks
21:27
Speaker 1: about this. They have not coached Sam Darnold like they think.
21:31
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold is that guy, right? He is a starting quarterback.
21:35
Speaker 1: Nobody made a mistake in letting him go. It's just
21:38
Speaker 1: worked out very well for Seattle. And somewhere in this,
21:41
Speaker 1: Geno Smith's got to be like, you know, I could
21:43
Speaker 1: do that, right? I mean, 100%. Like, no shade to
21:46
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold. And not trying to do too much to
21:49
Speaker 1: big up Geno Smith, who had a terrible year with Oakland.
21:51
Speaker 1: But something tells me Sam Darnold with Oakland would be terrible, too.
21:55
Speaker 2: I mean, we saw that with the Jets, right? We
21:57
Speaker 2: saw that with the Jets. I think that the comp
22:00
Speaker 2: that I kind of drew a couple weeks ago coming
22:02
Speaker 2: out of the conference championships is like, I think that
22:04
Speaker 2: this is the closest that we're going to get to
22:05
Speaker 2: Brad Johnson in this era. A guy who was benched
22:09
Speaker 2: basically everywhere he went before he got to Tampa. And
22:12
Speaker 2: when he got to Tampa, people were looking at John
22:13
Speaker 2: Gruden like, you left Rich Gannon to make this guy
22:17
Speaker 2: your starting quarterback? And you're telling me that this team
22:19
Speaker 2: is going to go win a title that way? And
22:21
Speaker 2: then he shows up and does literally just enough to
22:23
Speaker 2: get them over the hump.
22:25
Speaker 1: Right fast for the younger people. Yes, you left Rich
22:28
Speaker 1: Gannon two-time first-team All-Pro and one-time MVP. Sounds crazy to
22:32
Speaker 1: say now, but it happened, and it was real.
22:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, y'all got to go back and watch Rich Gannon, okay?
22:39
Speaker 2: That's a name that I think, you know, had we
22:41
Speaker 2: had social media, would have been a meme by the
22:43
Speaker 2: end of his career. But you talk about prime Rich Gannon.
22:46
Speaker 2: That motherfucker was slinging the rock, okay? At a time where...
22:50
Speaker 2: Slinging the Rock was not as widespread as what you
22:53
Speaker 2: might think.
22:53
Speaker 1: You know what? It was also at a time where
22:54
Speaker 1: a guy like Rich Gannon, he was another one, hung
22:57
Speaker 1: around for a really long time. But it was a
22:59
Speaker 1: quarterback time where a guy like Rich Gannon, because one
23:02
Speaker 1: thing John Gruden loves is a quarterback that ain't that good.
23:05
Speaker 1: And he wound up with the right guy, just good enough,
23:08
Speaker 1: but not that good at the same time.
23:10
Speaker 2: Which means that you got to do what the hell
23:12
Speaker 2: I say.
23:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, y'all got to throw to Tim Brown and Jerry Rice.
23:14
Speaker 1: Just throwing it out there.
23:16
Speaker 2: There you go. I mean, you're talking about the last
23:18
Speaker 2: best years of Tim Brown, too, when he was always
23:21
Speaker 2: open and Jerry Rice, like you said. So, yeah, I
23:23
Speaker 2: think that I think Brad Johnson is probably the closest
23:25
Speaker 2: comp you can come up with. And it's funny. It's funny.
23:28
Speaker 2: I was looking at some of the some of the
23:30
Speaker 2: recent games he had before he entered the playoffs. Right.
23:32
Speaker 2: Because he's been on this streak of not throwing any
23:34
Speaker 2: interceptions and not losing any fumbles. I'm like, man, this
23:38
Speaker 2: is very similar to the quarterback that ended up winning
23:40
Speaker 2: the championship last year. Right.
23:42
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to say Jimmy Garoppolo.
23:44
Speaker 2: I mean, and it's in that it's kind of in
23:46
Speaker 2: that realm, too, during that 2019 run.
23:48
Speaker 1: Right.
23:49
Speaker 2: Where the guy's not turning the ball over. And now
23:51
Speaker 2: all of a sudden things do look functional because your
23:53
Speaker 2: quarterback is not literally handing the football game away. And
23:58
Speaker 2: I would say it's funny because usually you get to
24:00
Speaker 2: these games and you start asking, like, all right, is
24:03
Speaker 2: the old guy going to show back up? But this
24:05
Speaker 2: comes back to what we were talking about earlier, the
24:07
Speaker 2: level of competition that they just had in the NFC
24:10
Speaker 2: championship game. is about as tough as it's going to
24:13
Speaker 2: get for any team who was making a playoff run
24:16
Speaker 2: this season. And if you were able to beat the
24:18
Speaker 2: Rams with Matt Stafford playing the way that Matt Stafford
24:21
Speaker 2: had been playing, I got to feel like, Sam Darnold,
24:23
Speaker 2: you can come out here, complete 19 passes for 219 yards,
24:28
Speaker 2: two touchdowns, both of them happening within the five-yard line,
24:32
Speaker 2: and you'll get Super Bowl MVP, and nobody is ever
24:34
Speaker 2: going to remember a single snap of the game that
24:36
Speaker 2: you just played. That's kind of where I think we're
24:38
Speaker 2: at with this team, and I think it's a fascinating place.
24:41
Speaker 2: We start talking about the hierarchy of quarterbacks and what
24:44
Speaker 2: it takes to be a Super Bowl winning quarterback because
24:47
Speaker 2: the A-list guys have not won, will not have won
24:50
Speaker 2: either of the last two.
24:53
Speaker 1: You know, what's going to be really funny is that
24:55
Speaker 1: if Seattle wins this and Sam Darnall is Super Bowl MVP. Now,
25:01
Speaker 1: to be clear, no one was looking for their version
25:04
Speaker 1: of Jalen Hurts after the two Super Bowls that he
25:07
Speaker 1: went to. But there is going to be a discussion
25:10
Speaker 1: about how somebody needs to go find their version of
25:13
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold after this with nobody even having any idea
25:16
Speaker 1: what the fuck that means. We're supposed to find somebody
25:19
Speaker 1: that we think is sorry? Right. We're supposed to go.
25:23
Speaker 2: Find Big Ginger Cubs?
25:26
Speaker 1: What exactly is that going... Yeah, you know what that is?
25:30
Speaker 1: That is just advocating. What you're saying is never give up, right? Basically.
25:35
Speaker 1: Don't give up. Don't ever give up. And if that's
25:38
Speaker 1: the case, you know who I'm going to say everybody
25:40
Speaker 1: would need to go look at? Two guys did. If
25:42
Speaker 1: it's don't give up, don't ever give up. Trey Lance
25:44
Speaker 1: and Anthony Richardson. I knew those were.
25:46
Speaker 2: Going to be the two. I knew those were going
25:48
Speaker 2: to be the two. I knew those were going to
25:50
Speaker 2: be the two.
25:51
Speaker 1: Hey, look, I feel like Trey Lance never, Trey Lance
25:53
Speaker 1: never got a chance, right? Like I think Anthony Richardson,
25:56
Speaker 1: you could argue got a chance. It didn't do much
25:58
Speaker 1: with it. Trey Lance had some bad luck and just
26:01
Speaker 1: weird old Kyle, Kyle Shanahan, another guy who prefers his
26:04
Speaker 1: quarterbacks not be good.
26:06
Speaker 2: Absolutely. You know, and it's going to be interesting when
26:08
Speaker 2: we start talking about a guy like, you know, Jackson Dart,
26:10
Speaker 2: maybe a half decade from now, especially if things go
26:13
Speaker 2: poorly in New York, he's going to be the exact
26:15
Speaker 2: kind of quarterback that I think would fit that description
26:18
Speaker 2: of like, just talented enough for me to close my
26:20
Speaker 2: eyes and convince myself that this is a guy that
26:22
Speaker 2: we can win games with and let's build something around
26:25
Speaker 2: him and ask him not to blow the game for us.
26:27
Speaker 2: You know, and I do think that, you know, in
26:29
Speaker 2: this era now where these quarterbacks are making so much money,
26:31
Speaker 2: we are going to see teams, I think, especially to
26:33
Speaker 2: your point of Sam Donald wins this, who genuinely convinced
26:36
Speaker 2: themselves that a better pathway to winning a championship is
26:40
Speaker 2: having a Baker Mayfield, a Daniel Jones, a Sam Darnold,
26:44
Speaker 2: and hoping that you build literally the best defense in
26:46
Speaker 2: football than trying to just go get a really, really
26:49
Speaker 2: good quarterback.
26:52
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26:54
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26:56
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26:58
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27:00
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Speaker 1: All right, we are back with Deontay Lee, and we're talking,
29:39
Speaker 1: you know, it's always a time to talk about quarterbacks
29:42
Speaker 1: and quarterback development. And I find that people like me
29:46
Speaker 1: can very often, and these are people who are not
29:49
Speaker 1: football players and not, you know, of that world. It's
29:52
Speaker 1: real easy to point at all these things that we
29:54
Speaker 1: think are stupid in the ways that positions are coached, evaluated,
29:58
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. And we're like, Hey, man, nobody
30:01
Speaker 1: knows who's going to be a good quarterback. Look at
30:03
Speaker 1: the draft. Look how many times they missed, so forth
30:05
Speaker 1: and so on. And the thing I hear people say
30:08
Speaker 1: most often is that quarterback is the worst coach position,
30:11
Speaker 1: yet no one seems to really offer us solutions for
30:14
Speaker 1: how to coach it better. My hot take is it's
30:17
Speaker 1: really hard to throw a 10-pound thing of air down
30:22
Speaker 1: the field in a spiral with a million things going
30:26
Speaker 1: on There simply aren't that many people who are capable
30:29
Speaker 1: of doing this at the level that we ask them
30:31
Speaker 1: to do it.
30:32
Speaker 2: I would I would go as far as to say
30:34
Speaker 2: that that talking point, which I heard all the time
30:37
Speaker 2: growing up.
30:38
Speaker 3: Right.
30:38
Speaker 2: Especially you think about like the late 2010s as the Brady's,
30:42
Speaker 2: the Roethlisberger's, Matt Ryan, all those guys are phasing out.
30:45
Speaker 1: Right.
30:45
Speaker 2: And we're kind of in that in-between phase where the
30:47
Speaker 2: young guys hadn't really taken over the league.
30:50
Speaker 1: That phase where they didn't realize you needed to have
30:53
Speaker 1: some wheels in order to play.
30:54
Speaker 3: Exactly.
30:55
Speaker 1: Right. And so they basically doomed a whole generation of
30:58
Speaker 1: white dudes because they didn't tell them it was OK
31:01
Speaker 1: to run.
31:02
Speaker 3: Shit.
31:02
Speaker 2: I mean, you think about those drafts between 2013 and 2018.
31:04
Speaker 2: I mean, it is a wasteland of quarterbacks. You can't
31:06
Speaker 2: walk it back.
31:08
Speaker 1: You can go farther back. Like, you take it back
31:11
Speaker 1: to 2005. Post-2005, you'll pop up with a Matt Ryan
31:14
Speaker 1: and a Matthew Stafford.
31:16
Speaker 2: But overall, it's nasty in there. Dark days. Dark days.
31:20
Speaker 2: Some Christian Ponders in there.
31:23
Speaker 1: Blaine Gabbard. Blaine Gabbard, sorry. Blaine Gabbard. Blake Boris. Same guy,
31:29
Speaker 1: different year.
31:30
Speaker 2: But I bring that up to say, like, I would
31:33
Speaker 2: say that today, that talking point has never been more asinine.
31:36
Speaker 2: I would actually say that quarterback coaching has never been
31:39
Speaker 2: better when you look at just what the baseline is
31:42
Speaker 2: over the last two to three seasons of where these
31:45
Speaker 2: guys are. You can speak to this because you have
31:48
Speaker 2: a longer view of this than I do. A quarterback
31:51
Speaker 2: like Baker Mayfield does not get to get to Tampa Bay.
31:55
Speaker 2: If they're bringing you to Tampa Bay, every year we're
31:57
Speaker 2: looking to replace you. I got to see, in my childhood,
32:01
Speaker 2: I saw Trent Green get treated like he was the
32:04
Speaker 2: gum on the bottom of every team's shoe, everywhere he went. Today,
32:08
Speaker 2: a guy like Trent Green would be somebody that they're saying, oh,
32:10
Speaker 2: we can coach that up and get nine wins out
32:12
Speaker 2: of that guy, right? And people would be confident and
32:14
Speaker 2: happy about it. I think that we have definitely, I
32:17
Speaker 2: think there was a time where that was true. I
32:19
Speaker 2: think that to your point, a lot of this is
32:22
Speaker 2: inviting people into the rooms to play quarterback, to work
32:25
Speaker 2: with quarterbacks that weren't being invited into the rooms decades prior, right?
32:30
Speaker 2: I think that getting more athletic guys, getting black quarterbacks
32:32
Speaker 2: in the mix has been a big, I think has
32:34
Speaker 2: been a big piece of this as well. And what
32:36
Speaker 2: that has done to reshape people's priorities at the position.
32:40
Speaker 2: But ultimately, I think that we're in a great spot
32:43
Speaker 2: with quarterback development and quarterback coaching. The problem is, like
32:46
Speaker 2: you said, there aren't going to be more than a
32:49
Speaker 2: dozen guys at best who can do what we're asking
32:53
Speaker 2: people to do. And this is in a time where
32:57
Speaker 2: quarterback has never been safer to play. Receiver has never
32:59
Speaker 2: been safer to play. It's never been easier to protect
33:02
Speaker 2: the passer than it is right now. And we still
33:05
Speaker 2: are maybe topping out at about 10 to 12 guys
33:08
Speaker 2: in a given year that genuinely look like they are
33:10
Speaker 2: difference makers at this position.
33:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the argument that I make or the point
33:14
Speaker 1: I make is, hey, man, them dudes was running the
33:17
Speaker 1: ball all the time back in the day. It wasn't
33:19
Speaker 1: just because they were uncreative, right? Now, granted, it was
33:21
Speaker 1: also a different set of rules then. But throwing the
33:24
Speaker 1: ball is really, really, really hard. And dangerous. That's kind
33:30
Speaker 1: of like what happened to mid-range jumpers in basketball. Well,
33:32
Speaker 1: it used to be that they could clothesline you. So
33:35
Speaker 1: you might want to stop 15 feet from the basket
33:38
Speaker 1: and take this nice, safe jump shot.
33:42
Speaker 2: Exactly. This floater means that I get to stay standing, okay?
33:46
Speaker 1: Like, we talked about this the other day, talking about
33:47
Speaker 1: Michael Irvin. Hey, man, well, Michael Irvin is like, I
33:50
Speaker 1: played when there was pain. It used to be a
33:53
Speaker 1: whole different game over there. Like, I don't know if
33:57
Speaker 1: you remember this, but when Steve Atwater went in the
33:59
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame a couple years ago, I was like,
34:01
Speaker 1: what is his video going to look like? Because it's
34:03
Speaker 1: just going to be a series of things that you
34:06
Speaker 1: can't do anymore. Like, it would be like... Like running
34:10
Speaker 1: the Steve Atwater field before he goes into Hall of
34:12
Speaker 1: Fame would be like running Amos and Andy's greatest hits.
34:15
Speaker 1: Hey man, we can't tell those guys the jokes.
34:18
Speaker 2: We don't say this stuff out loud no more. People
34:21
Speaker 2: don't put microphones in front of people who say this stuff.
34:24
Speaker 1: No, no. We would have been deplatformed.
34:27
Speaker 2: And to think.
34:29
Speaker 1: In the time of Atwater, there were also dudes like
34:33
Speaker 1: Andre Dirty Waters who we said, hey, you're going too far, buddy.
34:38
Speaker 1: Atwater was not going too far.
34:41
Speaker 2: You think about that in today's context. I mean, I
34:44
Speaker 2: was watching when I think Tony Jefferson lit up Travis
34:47
Speaker 2: Kelsey or one of those receivers late in the regular
34:49
Speaker 2: season in the same game that Patrick Mahomes got hurt.
34:51
Speaker 2: And the outcry I saw on social media was like, Oh, man,
34:54
Speaker 2: this is about as clean as it gets. By the
34:56
Speaker 2: spectrum of safety catches a wide receiver crossing the middle
34:59
Speaker 2: of the field that don't see him coming, this is
35:01
Speaker 2: about as good as it gets. I grew up with
35:03
Speaker 2: Sean Taylor, okay? I saw Bob Sanders be willing to
35:07
Speaker 2: risk your life and his to knock you down.
35:11
Speaker 1: I once watched Sean Taylor, and in retrospect, this is
35:15
Speaker 1: the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen when he took
35:18
Speaker 1: the punter out at the Pro Bowl.
35:19
Speaker 3: Oh, 100%.
35:20
Speaker 1: Buddy, buddy. Rest in peace. But it was the Pro Bowl, man.
35:23
Speaker 1: First of all, I don't know why you guys are
35:26
Speaker 1: running a fake punt or anything like that at the
35:27
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. I think that Sean Taylor's counter was, I
35:32
Speaker 1: felt disrespected.
35:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, you playing with me. You acting like I'm not
35:35
Speaker 2: me out here.
35:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't provide that man the opportunity to do
35:41
Speaker 1: what he did in that moment.
35:44
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
35:45
Speaker 1: Can't put it on the board. But yeah, if quarterback
35:48
Speaker 1: is so badly coached, man, why everybody getting all this money, right?
35:53
Speaker 1: Doing all these things, it just seems impossible. And I
35:57
Speaker 1: just don't think that people can grasp that somebody figured
35:59
Speaker 1: out that if you can get one of these three, four,
36:00
Speaker 1: five dudes who could do it, we can set the
36:02
Speaker 1: world on fire. And everybody keeps trying to make every
36:05
Speaker 1: quarterback into one of those three, four, five dudes. As
36:08
Speaker 1: opposed to, like you say, the Baker Mayfield situation. And look,
36:11
Speaker 1: there've always been guys like that. teams have figured out
36:15
Speaker 1: how to coach and build a team around. The best
36:17
Speaker 1: football team I believe that I have ever seen was
36:19
Speaker 1: the 1991 Washington team. Mark Rippon was their quarterback. And
36:23
Speaker 1: if you don't know nothing about Mark Rippon, it's not
36:25
Speaker 1: your fault. Right.
36:27
Speaker 2: I would say that those early 90s Washington teams were
36:30
Speaker 2: about as close as you could come to a perfectly
36:32
Speaker 2: constructed football team. You go back and watch the Brown
36:35
Speaker 2: of football that they were playing, it was beautiful. And
36:38
Speaker 2: they didn't ask very much out of their quarterback. So
36:40
Speaker 2: I think that you're right, and I think that The
36:42
Speaker 2: other thing that's happening because we're seeing more success with
36:44
Speaker 2: these kind of mid-tier to below mid-tier guys that becomes
36:47
Speaker 2: problematic is we keep trying to drop the threshold lower.
36:51
Speaker 2: That's really what the issue is, right? Like when I
36:54
Speaker 2: see Tua Tungavailoa, who I think is a functional quarterback,
36:57
Speaker 2: but people try to convince me that he's in the
36:59
Speaker 2: same conversation as the people that I would conventionally believe
37:02
Speaker 2: are top 10 quarterbacks. That to me is a reflection
37:04
Speaker 2: that A, we have come a long way with developing
37:06
Speaker 2: the position and B, people still don't know what the
37:09
Speaker 2: hell they are watching. when it comes to this position.
37:11
Speaker 2: When I see people talk about Michael Pennix before he
37:14
Speaker 2: had blown out his knee this past year and try
37:16
Speaker 2: to convince me that that is going to be a
37:18
Speaker 2: franchise-changing level quarterback. Buddy, I've watched Atlanta for all my life.
37:23
Speaker 2: You have had franchise-changing quarterbacks. You judge him up against Favre, Vic,
37:29
Speaker 2: and Ryan, and you tell me that that's the same
37:31
Speaker 2: thing that we're looking at in this guy. And it's
37:33
Speaker 2: just not. And then I think there's a name that
37:35
Speaker 2: I won't mention on this podcast, I think, for everybody's sanity.
37:39
Speaker 2: who a lot of people are trying to convince themselves
37:41
Speaker 2: will be the next franchise quarterback who just got.
37:43
Speaker 1: A new head coach. How about Bo Nix?
37:45
Speaker 3: Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
37:46
Speaker 2: We talking about Northeast Ohio.
37:47
Speaker 1: Oh, the other one, the other one, the other one,
37:49
Speaker 1: the other one, the other one, the other one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
37:51
Speaker 1: You know, and I think that this is... Yeah, yeah, yeah, boy, man.
37:55
Speaker 2: He and J.J. McCarthy, I think, are like the ultimate
37:57
Speaker 2: reflections of maybe the threshold has dropped so low that
38:01
Speaker 2: we are trying to convince ourselves that literally anybody can
38:03
Speaker 2: be let up in this club.
38:05
Speaker 1: Hey, man, I've never seen a broader consensus of people
38:09
Speaker 1: down on somebody quite like the world is down on J.J.
38:12
Speaker 2: McCarthy.
38:13
Speaker 1: I mean, outsiders, I mean, insiders, everybody's down on him.
38:19
Speaker 1: I ain't heard nobody sound as as there are people
38:23
Speaker 1: like me and you who get frustrated with the conversation
38:26
Speaker 1: around Shador Sanders. But we don't even though neither of
38:29
Speaker 1: us thinks he's that good. We don't like talk bad
38:32
Speaker 1: about him.
38:33
Speaker 2: Right.
38:33
Speaker 1: They talk bad about.
38:35
Speaker 2: Crazy about that man. They talk crazy about that man,
38:38
Speaker 2: which is a wild swing because he was from a
38:41
Speaker 2: college football perspective, as close as you would have seen
38:43
Speaker 2: at that level to what we've seen in the NFL
38:45
Speaker 2: with Josh Allen. And I think that you've done a
38:47
Speaker 2: really good job of pointing out that there's a lot
38:49
Speaker 2: of wish casting that happens with certain quarterbacks about wanting
38:53
Speaker 2: them to be successful.
38:54
Speaker 3: Yes.
38:54
Speaker 2: I think the JJ walked into the league with that
38:57
Speaker 2: kind of groundswell behind him. Some of that is Harbaugh
39:00
Speaker 2: kind of stamping you as a guy. right before you
39:02
Speaker 2: get to the league and you get with Kevin O'Connell,
39:04
Speaker 2: who we all view, I would say, as a good
39:07
Speaker 2: quarterback developer, given what he's gotten out of Kirk Cousins
39:10
Speaker 2: before he went to Atlanta, what he got out of
39:12
Speaker 2: Sam Ronald before things went sideways this past year. And
39:15
Speaker 2: I think everybody kind of looked up after about a
39:17
Speaker 2: month and said, oh, no, this ain't it. Completely not it.
39:22
Speaker 1: Completely out. Completely out.
39:24
Speaker 2: And I can't say I blame him because I watch
39:26
Speaker 2: him and I'm like, oh, that's Zach Wilson. I've seen
39:29
Speaker 2: you before.
39:29
Speaker 1: It's that bad.
39:30
Speaker 2: It's Zach Wilson-esque. It is Zach Wilson-esque.
39:33
Speaker 1: I watched him win those couple games late. He was
39:36
Speaker 1: out there when they won them, you know?
39:38
Speaker 2: He was out. Correct. He was out there when they
39:40
Speaker 2: want him. Just like, you know, Zach Wilson was out
39:42
Speaker 2: there when Robert Sala was putting together great Jets defenses
39:46
Speaker 2: for a couple of years.
39:48
Speaker 1: I want to ask you right fast about the Eagles.
39:53
Speaker 1: They just their offensive line coach just left. Now, it
39:55
Speaker 1: seems like their new offensive coordinator wants to hire his
39:58
Speaker 1: own full on staff. But you football people really looked
40:02
Speaker 1: at this as a bad news situation for the Eagles.
40:05
Speaker 2: It 100% is. I don't even know if there's a
40:07
Speaker 2: way to spin it positively. And I think that, A,
40:11
Speaker 2: there's a lot of conflation happening because there's so much
40:15
Speaker 2: up in the air with Philadelphia. There's the A.J. Brown storyline,
40:19
Speaker 2: which we probably won't even get to for another week
40:21
Speaker 2: or two as they assess what the trade market is
40:24
Speaker 2: going to be because I do think ultimately he's going
40:26
Speaker 2: to be moved. There was a good week where people
40:29
Speaker 2: in Philadelphia were wondering whether or not Vic Fangio was
40:32
Speaker 2: going to retire as defensive coordinator. And then your offensive
40:35
Speaker 2: line coach says, and I think that this is very important,
40:38
Speaker 2: that he said, I am not retiring. My time with
40:42
Speaker 2: the Eagles organization has come to an end, right? And
40:45
Speaker 2: then I went and I read Tim McManus at ESPN
40:47
Speaker 2: and some of his reporting, I thought was really painted
40:51
Speaker 2: what was going on with this coaching regime and about
40:52
Speaker 2: as negative a light. Much more negatively than I would
40:55
Speaker 2: say anything I would have said, right? Because you're talking
40:57
Speaker 2: about a guy who has been running the run game,
40:59
Speaker 2: who has developed guys like Jason Kelsey, Lane Johnson, Jordan Mailata,
41:04
Speaker 2: I mean, these are three people, Lane Johnson maybe notwithstanding,
41:06
Speaker 2: because he was kind of a physical freak coming out
41:08
Speaker 2: of college at the time in terms of speed and
41:10
Speaker 2: size and all that. But Jordan Mailata is an international
41:13
Speaker 2: pathways guy. And Jason Kelsey is one of the smallest
41:16
Speaker 2: offensive linemen that we have ever seen become a Hall
41:18
Speaker 2: of Fame player ever. And you took the ability to
41:22
Speaker 2: design the run game away from that guy, right? To
41:25
Speaker 2: the point where he said, I don't even want to
41:26
Speaker 2: be here no more after I've been here for a decade,
41:29
Speaker 2: decade and a half. I don't know how you could
41:32
Speaker 2: spin this positively, and I think, again, it kind of
41:34
Speaker 2: points what we've been talking about in my few appearances here,
41:37
Speaker 2: which is that you've got a head coach that I
41:39
Speaker 2: just don't think has a tight enough grip on the wheel,
41:42
Speaker 2: and worse than that, it feels like every time they fail,
41:46
Speaker 2: people start looking at Nick Sirianni and saying, you don't
41:49
Speaker 2: get to talk to me like that, which is crazy
41:52
Speaker 2: for a guy who has the winning percentage that he
41:54
Speaker 2: has and the Super Bowl appearances that he has. It
41:57
Speaker 2: feels like everybody walks out that building feeling like, I
42:00
Speaker 2: can take a lot of shit from a lot of people,
42:01
Speaker 2: but not that guy.
42:03
Speaker 1: I also want to point out that trading A.J. Brown
42:06
Speaker 1: is like trading the doctor because he said you got cancer.
42:09
Speaker 2: Right. What's happening?
42:11
Speaker 1: Like you're firing that man for being right. Because I
42:14
Speaker 1: think every time he does that, by the way, he's
42:17
Speaker 1: never mad. He's never disrespectful to anybody when he does it.
42:21
Speaker 1: You just listen to it and you're like, that chick's out.
42:24
Speaker 2: I can't argue. How are you going to argue that?
42:26
Speaker 2: When a man touched the ball, the offense looked good.
42:30
Speaker 2: In the last two years where he hasn't touched the
42:31
Speaker 2: ball a whole lot, we keep asking what the hell
42:34
Speaker 2: is wrong with this offense. I'm not saying the correlation
42:36
Speaker 2: and causation are the same. I'm just looking at the
42:39
Speaker 2: trend lines. That's all I'm saying.
42:42
Speaker 1: Him reading that book on the sideline will never not
42:45
Speaker 1: be the funniest thing I have ever seen in my life.
42:48
Speaker 1: Just agree. Like think about how bad it has to
42:54
Speaker 1: get for you to reach the point where you're like,
42:57
Speaker 1: here's what I'm going to do this guy.
42:59
Speaker 2: Not just any book. One of them self-help.
43:02
Speaker 3: Yes.
43:02
Speaker 2: Find your best inner self type of book.
43:05
Speaker 1: Yes. Somebody going to ask me what's going on over here.
43:10
Speaker 1: Somebody going to ask me what we need to know. Right.
43:13
Speaker 2: Right.
43:14
Speaker 1: One to ask you this also, while I was thinking
43:16
Speaker 1: about it, we talked about the Rooney Rule earlier this week.
43:19
Speaker 1: You be coaching, you be black, you do them both
43:21
Speaker 1: at the same time, obviously at a different level. But
43:24
Speaker 1: I'm curious, though, because football is still football, right? And
43:27
Speaker 1: you're still going into some rooms, I'm sure, where people
43:29
Speaker 1: have to get themselves wrapped around the idea of you.
43:33
Speaker 1: What I do think is interesting is that I've noticed
43:37
Speaker 1: in the NFL that In the last few years, black
43:40
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator hiring, I, like, with my eyes, I see
43:44
Speaker 1: that going up, right? Like, I see moves being made there. Man,
43:48
Speaker 1: AS ain't trying to let a brother call no plays. Like,
43:50
Speaker 1: I talked about how this is the era of the
43:52
Speaker 1: boy genius, and the only black boy genius I could
43:54
Speaker 1: think of on offense that's ever been was Brian Johnson,
43:57
Speaker 1: who was the offensive coordinator at the University of Utah
43:59
Speaker 1: at 25, but nobody's ever let him call plays two
44:01
Speaker 1: years in a row.
44:02
Speaker 2: Right, right. And he might not get that shot, you know, like,
44:06
Speaker 2: I've thought about that, obviously, for a while. Once I
44:08
Speaker 2: became a coach in 2016, that was always a thought
44:12
Speaker 2: of mine is where I want to take this, what
44:13
Speaker 2: the trajectory looks like. And I knew two things for
44:16
Speaker 2: certain that was going to change my trajectory. A, I
44:19
Speaker 2: wasn't about to be doing all this round-the-clock recruiting shit
44:22
Speaker 2: that college coaches do, right? So that kind of wiped
44:24
Speaker 2: that off the board for me. You also weren't going
44:26
Speaker 2: to make me no running backs coach. You weren't going
44:28
Speaker 2: to make me no running backs coach and make my
44:30
Speaker 2: recruiting area– the greater Houston area, right? Or, you know,
44:36
Speaker 2: going to South Louisiana because you don't got nobody else
44:38
Speaker 2: on the staff that can go in these rooms and
44:40
Speaker 2: talk to these mamas and daddies, right? And I knew
44:43
Speaker 2: another thing was if I wanted to get to the
44:45
Speaker 2: NFL level, that the best pipeline to set your trajectory
44:50
Speaker 2: as high as possible is not afforded to somebody who
44:53
Speaker 2: looks like me. They ain't letting your black ass touch
44:55
Speaker 2: quarterbacks and they ain't letting your black ass touch that
44:57
Speaker 2: play sheet. Or even offensive line, right? Exactly. That was
45:01
Speaker 2: always my thought. Now, I do think there are more
45:05
Speaker 2: black quarterback coaches across the league than I would have imagined.
45:09
Speaker 2: But then you got to look at who they're connected to.
45:11
Speaker 2: And it's typically us looking out for us, right? Gerard
45:16
Speaker 2: Johnson is in a great spot in Houston right now.
45:19
Speaker 2: But if he leaves Houston, you are now leaving a
45:22
Speaker 2: black head coach, black quarterback combination, right? That is a
45:26
Speaker 2: tough spot, a tough selling point. I think across the
45:29
Speaker 2: league for reasons that have nothing to do with Gerard Johnson,
45:32
Speaker 2: who should be, you know, the kind of quarterback of
45:34
Speaker 2: a Sean Mannion is getting coordinator looks. I don't know
45:37
Speaker 2: why Gerard Johnson can't be set on a similar trajectory.
45:40
Speaker 2: And I think, and I was listening to your show
45:42
Speaker 2: actually earlier this week when you pointed it out. I
45:45
Speaker 2: think that the other piece of this that people really
45:47
Speaker 2: have to grapple with in our line of work is
45:50
Speaker 2: how they talk about the damn rule. Cause I think that,
45:53
Speaker 2: This was an abject failure in my estimation by the
45:56
Speaker 2: media and how we talk about the Rooney rule specifically
46:00
Speaker 2: and the way the teams are interfacing with that rule.
46:03
Speaker 2: I should never read a tweet ever that says this
46:06
Speaker 2: team is now free to pursue interviews with the candidates
46:09
Speaker 2: they want because they met the requirements of the Rooney rule.
46:14
Speaker 2: That's not the spirit of the rule. That's not why
46:16
Speaker 2: it's here. But what it does do is identify exactly
46:20
Speaker 2: what this rule is and ain't, right? it's one of
46:23
Speaker 2: those kind of saying the quiet part out loud, right?
46:26
Speaker 2: Which is not new information for people who pay attention
46:29
Speaker 2: to this. But I do think that as we see
46:32
Speaker 2: regression happening socially across all these different spaces, I think
46:36
Speaker 2: that it is definitely showing up in the coaching field.
46:39
Speaker 2: And when you leave a coaching carousel where over a
46:42
Speaker 2: quarter of the league turns over and the most color
46:44
Speaker 2: we got at head coach is a child of Lebanese immigrants.
46:47
Speaker 2: And I love Robert Salah. In this league, after what
46:51
Speaker 2: I thought was some small steps towards progress, I think
46:55
Speaker 2: that there is a lot that we as media members
46:57
Speaker 2: need to do to be able to hold these people's
46:59
Speaker 2: feet to the fire. Because what happened, I think, over
47:01
Speaker 2: this past hiring cycle is about as close to unacceptable
47:04
Speaker 2: as it gets, given where we've been and where this
47:07
Speaker 2: league likes to lie to us and tell us that
47:08
Speaker 2: it wants to go.
47:10
Speaker 1: And I think the media point leads to something that
47:12
Speaker 1: we always have to remember, and I think people misunderstand,
47:15
Speaker 1: is that when white people are talking about race, they're talking.
47:18
Speaker 2: To each other. Exactly.
47:20
Speaker 3: Right.
47:21
Speaker 1: Like it's racist. It affects their lives. And for the
47:24
Speaker 1: media people, they white buddies that they call it up
47:28
Speaker 1: to talk about this stuff are like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
47:30
Speaker 1: So now we can go ahead and we can get
47:32
Speaker 1: in the streets and we can do whatever. And never
47:34
Speaker 1: for a moment do they stop and think people view
47:37
Speaker 1: the rule to me. as like I say, as an impediment,
47:41
Speaker 1: as opposed to you could use this as an opportunity.
47:44
Speaker 1: And this is why I always say when they blame
47:45
Speaker 1: the rule, they're so off is that back in the day,
47:47
Speaker 1: Mike Toblin got hired because he got one of those
47:50
Speaker 1: interviews with Miami. And then the word got around that
47:52
Speaker 1: he had killed it. And the Steelers were like, yo, well,
47:54
Speaker 1: let's do that. The only people that went from doing
47:57
Speaker 1: that are the teams in the NFL. They have the
47:59
Speaker 1: ability to do that. David's like, nah, we don't even
48:01
Speaker 1: feel like doing none of that no more, apparently. And
48:04
Speaker 1: the stakes are so high here where it's like, hey, man,
48:06
Speaker 1: don't y'all want to... Like Vance Joseph, who was doing
48:09
Speaker 1: a great job as the defensive coordinator with the Broncos.
48:11
Speaker 1: He did not do a good job as the head
48:13
Speaker 1: coach of the Denver Broncos. But at this point, you
48:16
Speaker 1: would think that somebody else... Like, he figured... Somebody will
48:19
Speaker 1: let him be the Sam John on the coaching. You
48:21
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying?
48:22
Speaker 2: Well, if he was on the other side of the ball,
48:24
Speaker 2: he is a head coach a year ago, if not
48:27
Speaker 2: two years ago.
48:28
Speaker 1: Well, you remember when Raheem was like, hey, put me
48:30
Speaker 1: on offense, dog. That's the only thing that's going to work.
48:32
Speaker 1: And then I think it was the Falcons where the
48:34
Speaker 1: defense got so bad that they had to come on
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Speaker 1: back and they had to put it back at defensive coordinator.
48:39
Speaker 1: And then he got lucky. He got to go work
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Speaker 1: kicking with McVay.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. I mean, and that's to the point of you
48:45
Speaker 2: have to be lucky enough to get into the network
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Speaker 2: that they care about now. Raheem happened to be in
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Speaker 2: Tampa Bay when Kyle Shanahan was in Tampa Bay. Ta-da,
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Speaker 2: under Gruden. So now you've got just enough of a
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Speaker 2: connection now where people can say, and I think that
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Speaker 2: for him, I don't know, I don't want to say
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Speaker 2: this about him because it reduces his own qualifications, but
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Speaker 2: I do think based on the way that we've seen
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Speaker 2: owners and GMs make these hires, I think a lot
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Speaker 2: of Raheem getting these shots is you get us access
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Speaker 2: to the tree that we want to get access to,
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Speaker 2: but we don't have other ways to pluck at it otherwise.
49:18
Speaker 2: You get Raheem you get exactly. Robinson who ended up
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Speaker 2: failing as an offensive coordinator, but he at that time
49:23
Speaker 2: was the next hotshot offensive guy that can go call
49:27
Speaker 2: plays here. Right? I think that that is a problem
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Speaker 2: that we're all going to have to deal with. And
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Speaker 2: I think that it's fair. It's fair for us to ask,
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Speaker 2: not just these owners and GMs, but these head coaches.
49:36
Speaker 2: I like Sean McVay as a person. I think that
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Speaker 2: he's a very earnest person. You know, Coach, I think
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Speaker 2: that he is about the right kind of stuff when
49:42
Speaker 2: it comes to player development. I think it's fair to
49:44
Speaker 2: ask why his offensive staff looks like his offensive staff, right?
49:48
Speaker 2: I think that that's 100% fair to ask. I think
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Speaker 2: that Kyle Shanahan has done a pretty good job with
49:52
Speaker 2: trying to diversify his staff. And most people who go
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Speaker 2: that work, that are people of color, that work on
49:57
Speaker 2: offensive staff end up getting a shot. Mike McDaniel, for
50:00
Speaker 2: whatever jokes I might have about Mike McDaniel, you know,
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Speaker 2: he did go get a shot. He gave Mike McDaniel
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Speaker 2: the most important part of his offense, which is the
50:07
Speaker 2: run game. They had a great run game, and he
50:09
Speaker 2: ended up getting a head coaching look as a result
50:11
Speaker 2: of it. But some of the rest of these guys,
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Speaker 2: the LaFleurs, the Kevin O'Connells, a lot of people have
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Speaker 2: respect for his coaches. I think that if we were
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Speaker 2: going to improve this, that fire, I think, needs to
50:20
Speaker 2: trickle down to them as well. We need to ask
50:22
Speaker 2: exactly why the coaching pipeline that they acknowledge, I got
50:25
Speaker 2: them the gigs that they've got coming up, working with quarterbacks,
50:28
Speaker 2: working as an offensive coordinator, why it is that their
50:32
Speaker 2: staff always ends up looking the way that it does
50:34
Speaker 2: on a year-to-year basis.
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Speaker 1: All right, last question for you. What is the funniest
50:39
Speaker 1: name that you could imagine turning up in the Epstein files?
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Speaker 2: Oh, that's a great question. That's a great question. The funniest.
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Speaker 2: Funniest and legitimate, not like the tip line.
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Speaker 1: Oh, any name. That don't matter what the name is.
51:03
Speaker 2: Honestly, just because she has been so unhinged over the
51:07
Speaker 2: last couple weeks, my first thought went to Nikki. Honestly,
51:09
Speaker 2: that whole Young Money conglomerate would be the funniest for
51:14
Speaker 2: me personally, right? Because then you get all the people
51:17
Speaker 2: who are in their little fan bases falling out. That's
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Speaker 2: a great question, though. What about for you? Who would
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Speaker 2: be the funniest for you?
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Speaker 1: Well, my original one was Tim Tebow. Now I just
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Speaker 1: thought of another one.
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Speaker 2: Oh, that's great.
51:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, now I just thought of another one. Ringo Starr.
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Speaker 1: Just look up and Ringo in there. Try to make
51:35
Speaker 1: it happen.
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Speaker 3: Hey, man.
51:37
Speaker 2: I do think. I think that Ringo would be a
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Speaker 2: funny one. I think that I would like to see
51:46
Speaker 2: what the dynamic looks like on the opposite end of it.
51:48
Speaker 2: You were talking about it with the Tisch family, right?
51:50
Speaker 2: And you got to go home and go sit at
51:52
Speaker 2: that dinner table. Somebody will ask some questions for you.
51:54
Speaker 2: I would like to see what the gender dynamics would
51:56
Speaker 2: look like in reverse. I want somebody to walk in
51:58
Speaker 2: and be like, hey, so. That's really what you went to, huh, lady?
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: That's how we rock it when you're away from home,
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Speaker 2: when you're on them trips?
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Speaker 1: So that's how you wound up having dinner with Bill Gates, huh?
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Speaker 2: Right. Okay.
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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no. It's cool. It's cool. It's cool.
52:13
Speaker 2: It's all good. It's all good. I guess I have
52:15
Speaker 2: more to learn about you.
52:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what? Multitudes. You can
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Speaker 1: tell you multitudes, don't you? Nasty ass motherfuckers. That is
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Speaker 1: Deontay Lee. Check him out at the Ringer. Talking about football,
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Speaker 2: Thanks, bro.
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