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Fraggle Talk Episode 11 - "Deep Dive" with Donna Kimball ("Mokey Fraggle") · Muppet Fan Podcasts with ToughPigs.com

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  Hello and welcome to fraggle, talk.
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  The Unofficial Fraggle, Rock podcast brought to you by tough
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  pics.com. This is the podcast where we
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  cover Fraggle. Rock back to the Rock Episode by
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  episode along with a talented producers.
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  Former's, writers and Builders who helped put it together.
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  I'm your host silly creature Johannes.
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  Today, we're talking about episode 11, Deep dive in which
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  the fraggle Pond is full of pink goo, the myrtles have the
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  hiccups and everyone just needs to chill out.
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  Our guest today is a puppeteer who's worked the Henson company
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  on dozens of projects, including puppet up, Sid the Science Kid,
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  or to Ned and as aughra on The Dark, Crystal age of resistance,
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  outside of Henson, you seen our work on community Angel, h.r.,
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  pufnstuf and Gia. He was even one of Doc, ock's
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  arms and Spider-Man 2. That's pretty cool.
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  I'm back to the Rock. She stars, as cotterpin doozer,
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  the Storyteller and the one and only Mochi.
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  We are extremely pleased to welcome, Donna, Kimball to the
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  podcast. Hi, Donna.
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  Hello, hello, how are you, Joe? I'm great.
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  It's great to have you here. It's lovely being here.
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  I'm so glad. Well, we obviously a lot to talk
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  about because Mochi is a pretty big part of the show.
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  So number, One question, how did you get started with Mochi?
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  I know that this is not your first foray into into Mochi
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  performance. So how did you get started with
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  her? Yeah, that's right.
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  Years ago, Lisa asked me to cover Mochi in the bed Folds 5
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  video, I don't remember what year that was.
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  Two thousand thirteen to Fifteen, but that was, when I
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  first met Karen, and because she came to And it was wonderful.
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  You know and Karen was so great and helpful and giving me notes
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  when I would be to remember mokey's movements or more smooth
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  and you know, lyrical and okay. Great, great great.
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  So she was just so helpful in, you know, that first inhabiting
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  of Mochi that I did because you know I was pretty nervous taking
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  on a and iconic beloved character.
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  So that was fun. That was a fun, couple of days
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  and wonderful. In her and she's so I'm just
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  going to start by singing care and Pearls Praises it's rare.
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  It's rare to work with a performer who is so connected to
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  that character that she plays. I mean, she's been read most of
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  her life really is. She was so young and telling
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  those stories that she told us about the original series.
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  It was just, you know, we sat at her feet with giant eyeballs
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  metaphorically just to here. All of her wonderful stories.
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  And she's, you know, such a generous generous performer and
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  just so Pro and so prepared. And I just can't say enough good
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  things. So, you know, meeting her right
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  away. On that, that first Mochi thing,
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  was was wonderful. And then, we did the puppets for
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  puppetry benefit at Henson for the center for puppetry arts and
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  I got to do Mochi live and actually speak as her.
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  So, Had you know, study a little bit think I had like one or two
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  lines and then we sang, follow me which was great scary.
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  Wonderful. And then and then rock on came
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  along and yeah, I was asked to do that and wow.
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  Okay. Yes please.
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  And then it was picked up as a series so so that I've off we
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  went so. So yeah.
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  It's like I said it. You never had to.
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  It's like doing audition for mochi.
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  He you just you were just asked and, and like thrown into the
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  fold, that is correct. I feel super lucky to have had
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  that. I mean, that's a lot of trust
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  that they place in you to to do that.
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  And, you know, you feel that the Gratitude and the, the weight
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  and the responsibility of it together at the same time.
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  So yeah, it was wonderful. Eternally grateful.
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  Well, lucky for you, for sure, but definitely lucky for them.
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  And Company because not only, I mean, I think obviously they
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  chose you because you are a talented performer, everyone
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  knows that because we could just look at your work, but the fact
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  that you can also take a character like Mochi who as
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  Karen probably mentioned to you is a very specific character to
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  get right in the way. She speaks The Way She Moves,
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  she's very Zen until she's not, you know, she's very you'll
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  smooth and it can be a very large presence and the fact that
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  you were able to kind of get into that, so So easily,
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  although I don't know how easy it was but how you could get
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  into it so easily and mimic care a excuse me, Kathy Mullins
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  voice. So well, it was very lucky that
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  you just have all those qualities already.
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  Well, thanks I, I did do a whole lot of homework, of course, you
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  know, and all I done, auger in the middle of these things, of
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  course. So I think that was I ended up
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  using the same System of trying to voice match because I'm
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  fairly new to voice matching but for Agra and from okey to I,
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  well I recorded all of Agra onto an MP3 with just a very basic
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  system. A microphone, two laptops and a
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  you know, a speaker just a little, You Know, MP3 that I
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  would keep on my phone and listen to and I did the same
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  thing for a Mochi but the trick was that mokey's voice evolved
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  quite a bit between season 1 and season.
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  Five, sure. So in the course of my MP3 that
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  I made, I thought wow, they're these are very different voices.
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  So I had to make a choice as a performer, so I chose season 1
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  mokey's voice which is airier little more of a lilt up and
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  down a little more of a head voice.
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  I kind of liked that for the character for the look of her
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  and also I felt that separated me vocally from what Karen was
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  doing as read. So um, so it was, it was very
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  deliberate to choose the, you know, the season one that I have
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  my always have my little sentence from the from the OG
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  material and this was like, you know, them do this,
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  reconstructions dear, diary, know what's the deal with?
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  I'm paraphrasing doozer constructions, but I knew my
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  calls was just, you know, from that's from one of the first few
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  episodes that was like, oh yeah, I love this little monkey.
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  So, so that's that's the one Ayah.
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  Yeah, that's the monkeys voice that I chose I love it.
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  So obviously Kathy Mullen performed this character
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  originally you must have got a lot of influence and inspiration
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  from her and from her performances you know I have to
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  say I think she is one of the most brilliant puppeteers that
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  I've ever seen. I think her work is exquisite
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  and detailed. I think her she's just got it
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  all man, her the voices. She does her acting ability how
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  great she is technically as a puppeteer, she can sing.
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  I mean, she's such a, she's such a giant in my eyes, such as
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  Shiro. That I met her in person, one
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  time at the, the, the red carpet or purple carpet premiere of
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  Dark Crystal. And we had a lovely chat, and we
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  have a had, a photo taken together that her grandson took.
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  And I had asked her head, she met Louis leterrier yet.
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  And she said, no and I knew what a huge fan he was.
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  So I literally took her by the hand and walked her all the way
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  across the party through all these people and said, Lilly
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  this is, this is Kara, this is Kathy and I just stepped back
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  and, you know, all of it to Titans meet.
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  But just, I mean her work is exquisite.
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  I hope that she's happy with without with what I did with
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  Mochi, but she's just An amazing amazing performer.
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  She is she's a wonderful human being and I'm sure she's happy
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  because you really are doing Justice Beyond Justice to these
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  characters. Thank you.
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  But your Mochi is it is a little bit different from Kathy's and I
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  can't exactly put my finger on why maybe you can you can
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  elaborate a little bit but it's maybe she's a little bit more
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  high energy or it's that she's more open to Things like it
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  because Kathy's Mochi was almost like, blind to everyone else
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  like she was in her own world and your monkey doesn't have
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  that as much. Would you agree with that?
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  Or is there something else that you kind of put your own spin on
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  to, with the character? I think a lot of it was informed
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  by the writing of course. But I think that it's a bit of
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  both, she's kind of like certain that everything, you know,
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  certain that her way is correct. She sees, I think it's both.
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  I think that she does have a bit of a blind spot here and Are
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  particularly in this episode and I think I just really love that
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  the aspect of my version of Mochi.
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  And that, I think she she sees her.
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  It's a bit Grandeur. She's a bit Grandeur and sees
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  more than she actually does. She thinks she sees more than
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  she actually does and I find out how their it's about.
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  Yes. And very, it's a flaw that she
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  has and therefore, superhuman. And Ball and funny.
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  So I always dig for the flaws and the characters because they
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  make them super interesting and it's a comedic gold mine.
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  Yes, especially on this show. Yeah.
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  So there is another big change in Mochi.
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  Since her previous appearance, which is actually her
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  appearance, she is a bit of a redesign.
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  Were you at all involved with deciding how the new Mochi would
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  look or move? Thing like that the producers
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  make the decisions about how a character you know the
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  appearance of a character changes, I can tell you that the
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  producers are the biggest fans of the show that you will ever
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  meet. And I believe that when a change
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  like that is made, it's made with the greatest amount of care
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  and love. So I had full trust in them so I
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  was not Consulted. It's just that's decisions like
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  that are made way of puppeteers. Pay grade at least a puppeteer
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  who's not a producer and that was, that would be me.
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  Sure. That being said, I loved, I love
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  the new look of her eye. I think she fits into this world
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  and, you know, sometimes a person needs a little makeover
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  and like a, some Oak over, it was awful.
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  It's just, it's, it only stands. Out because everyone else looks
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  exactly the same, you know, with except of Maybe Junior gorg.
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  Everyone looks exactly the same in some of our characters are
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  even the same exact puppets. So, to have only one fraggle to,
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  to go through a makeover or Moke over it.
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  I do just that it stands out, it's not a good or bad thing.
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  It's just, it's just an interesting thing to notice.
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  Mmm. II agree with you and I know
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  that, you know, change can be hard for for fans, but I think
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  ultimately, with seeing the show, I think most people, it
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  seems to me have accepted it and seeing that, you know, I'm just
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  looking at this shot right here on your on the tough pigs
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  website. And to me to me she looks like
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  she's part of this this world now and this iteration of the
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  show. Yeah.
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  So I can prevent. Yeah she's got this.
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  Like so Described her as having this art teacher look, which I
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  think fits her very well and without like, aging her up too
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  much because I understand that was one of the reasons why they
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  wanted to update. Her design was.
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  So she didn't feel like the adult of the group quite as much
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  as before. Yeah.
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  And I'm glad for that because to play the, to play the mom
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  character, when you're not, the mom is not fun.
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  I feel as an actor, it's the least fun aspect.
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  Of a character to play it. I am a mom so I'm not doing down
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  the moms but I think it's just not fun to for the audience or
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  it's not fun for certainly for me as a performer.
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  So I love that. She is.
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  She's caring and nurturing but she's not, you know, it doesn't
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  feel like she's in charge or she doesn't have to be the stick in
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  the mud of the group. Exactly.
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  She's exactly parental figure. Mmm, Yeah, right.
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  And she's game for all the adventures, you know, as much as
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  anyone else and You know, her body is the same.
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  So her arms are super long when they don't have a cardigan on
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  them and and of course, her arms are revealed, so, the option of
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  live hands was went away. So I had the Fantastic Kira
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  Hall, who was my designated assist to and Kira was with me,
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  pretty much in every shot doing mokey's other arm, because it
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  was a lot to handle because her arms are twice as long as Jordan
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  block. A car pulled out with these arms
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  for me and I compared mokey's up Kira.
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  Your puppets like half the way half the size, the huh?
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  So Kathy, and she said, she's big and she's heavy.
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  And she is, yeah, she needs those those hugging arms.
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  You know, she needs people to get to everyone in the hug of
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  the same. Tread I can toggle for my
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  friends. That's right.
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  And then some throw in a couple of spots do, but that's
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  interesting that you say that about the life hands is
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  something. I've been wondering since the
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  beginning of the series that she's she's no longer alive hand
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  character or like you say doesn't have the option of
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  becoming a live hand character. And I don't know, there was
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  nothing special about there. Being only one fraggle, who
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  could manipulate or could, you know, the old Mochi was very big
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  on grabbing other characters and holding them clothes in an
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  Embrace, which I think is probably harder for you with the
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  rod hands. I don't have a question in that,
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  it's just an interesting observation, right?
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  And it's, I tried to be, as touchy as the original as Kathy
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  was, is the original Mochi. And she heard her say that she
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  is touchy by Nature, and I think I am too.
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  So. So yes, we did a lot of whenever
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  I was next to a character that it was in trouble.
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  I would always try to at least put a hand on them, or their
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  back, grab them, hug them, ya think, but it's yeah, it's fun.
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  So, but puppeteering wise, it's no, it's no more difficult
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  technically to hug with rods, or with with life, let's get to
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  know, really? Yeah, one thing I've been
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  wondering about her outfits, she's got that great necklace.
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  That has all the Little doodads, hanging off of it.
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  We're any of those anything that you had, either a connection to
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  or something that maybe you've created some kind of head Canon
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  as to like why she has this thing dangling around her neck?
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  Or is it just like random shiny things that she likes?
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  I wish I was in on the the email chain that the EPS had in
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  designing and to choosing each of those pendants.
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  I just would just study them in between takes oh Paper clip.
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  Oh, little little little bamboo thingies.
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  So, no one. Ever wonder, why they chose that
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  one. Is more like, why did they
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  choose these wonderful? Right?
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  But I thought why did Mochi choosing up.
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  Exactly little things that find their way down, you know, down
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  into the into the cave. Yeah, little bell.
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  Hmm. How about without the Belles
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  thing in it? Silent Bell?
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  What does that mean? Hmm, it is kind of interesting
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  that she sort of has Artifacts from outer space around her
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  neck. Maybe doesn't even realize it
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  right. Well, interesting, something
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  unpack and season two, maybe exactly.
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  Yes, Moki is not the only fraggle that you perform on the
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  series. You also perform the Storyteller
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  who unfortunately does not appear in this episode, but we
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  got to talk about her anyway. So how did you get that?
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  How did you get assigned as the Storyteller?
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  Well, we had internal auditions. Once the main cast was cast, we
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  had internal auditions for these secondary role so I read for
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  trash Heap. I see Joe and Storyteller so
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  they asked us to submit two or three versions of each character
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  and I submitted for Storyteller and yeah I mean I wanted each
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  one of them like, ooh, which one do I want?
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  Ooh, I kind of want to be trashy because She's iconic but who oh
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  I see Joe is new and it's an opportunity to put your own
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  stamp on a character and then whoo storytellers got that great
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  song. Gosh who would be happy with any
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  one of them? And then Johnny told me shortly
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  after we started production and I got Storyteller I'm like great
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  which version he said a version to I was like really my my
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  landlady character this is a character and a voice that I've
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  pitched so many Times and no one ever has taken it.
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  So I was like, yeah, apple they selected this particular voice.
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  So I was like, okay. And so I would I had to go into
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  rehearsal room one day where I wasn't on set and I brought a
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  lie Eisner with me to assist me because they were available and
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  then we were working with the producers assistant Caroline and
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  then Chris a PA and we just started, you know, recording
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  just recording What I had my with the character doing
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  dialogue and just so the producer because could say, you
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  know, yay nay little more this L'Amour that and we just kind of
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  went crazy and I really just wanted to make Ali laughs
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  because Ali has the best laughs Ali was usually Karen's and
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  Red's designated assist but he was with me this day and we just
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  went nuttier and nuttier and I don't like Grant just making her
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  move all around swallowing. Words and just, you know, like I
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  I'm not drunk. I just, I'll a gross motor
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  skills. And so her first time I asked
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  Johnny, is it okay? So I didn't hear anything back
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  was. Do I get the thumbs up for this
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  version of Storyteller? He says I didn't hear anything
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  either so I guess so I'm like sweet.
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  So I just went for it man. I just kind of went a little
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  bonkers and so her first day on set was in In actually episode
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  1, with j.j. directors, she had no dialogue.
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  It's when there's a crowd of fraggles, listening raptly to
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  Uncle traveling Matt and you know, it's early in the Chute
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  and everyone's behaving and everyone's kind of, you know,
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  being still and attentive. And I'm Storyteller down in the
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  front and I just turned everyone go guys.
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  Quiet JJ was directing. Jae Suk Hoon.
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  Who is that? I would Storyteller.
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  That's Donna. Oh okay, so she would just say
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  anything do Anything and never walked in a straight line and I
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  just, I just had a blast and she called every director JJ.
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  Yeah. Okay, Georgia.
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  Where are you saying? I love that.
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  There's a character who can literally just do anything
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  though, like that. There's, there's so much value
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  in that. And, you know, we are main
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  characters have a lot of flexibility, but there's really
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  only like two or three fraggles who can literally just get away
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  with anything and your version. The Storyteller is one of those
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  which is fantastic. It's so much fun.
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  Thank you, thank you. I did have a blast.
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  You know she's in, she's an older lady with a comfy clothes
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  and a statement necklace with nothing to lose.
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  That's right. My kind of gal, and I love her
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  collection of glasses. I love, I love the way that her
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  eyes work, wear it with the glasses with the eyelid that
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  lift up if she needs to, you know, show surprise or whatever
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  it is. That's gotten so much fun for
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  you or I worked that. Yeah, I realized if I could, I
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  could flip my head up really quickly and they would, they
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  would stay great Polly. I had a little too much fun
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  with, uh, with uh, that's great. I also have to call out the
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  like, the Soul Train Line dance in a previous episode where all
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  the fraggles are dancing and she's doing this like hip
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  thrusting thing that I can't figure out.
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  I'm not a puppeteer. So I don't know what you're
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  doing down there to make her move.
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  That way. My arm doesn't do that.
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  So it was hysterical. Do you want me to tell you?
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  Yeah, you go for it. Yeah, I have the body, I had the
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  body and here I had the hands. And so, you know, I'm doing the
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  head in the body and opposite direction and then what I wanted
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  to do was have her backing up directly into camera, great.
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  You know, sort of doing this back up thing.
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  Yeah, but it wasn't working and so Kira suggested.
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  Can you make a pun about sideways booties lab?
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  I was like, okay. I just again, waiting for
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  someone to say, yeah, that's too much.
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  That's just too much, you gotta back off easy.
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  This is you wrote that line perfectly.
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  It was right there. I figured, you know, older kids
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  will just think she's funny and, you know, pushing it a little
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  bit and see exactly. Yeah.
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  That was that was that was a that was a sweaty day.
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  That was a fun day. I bet it was.
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  Yeah. Well, as we mentioned a couple
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  times, you also played all Grand age resistance, which was
• 22:14
  fantastic. Did an amazing job?
• 22:17
  Your, your version of Agra was so spot-on.
• 22:22
  I honestly thought that, of course, I don't remember her
• 22:25
  name. The original performer of the of
• 22:27
  the character Billie Whitelaw, thank you, Billie.
• 22:29
  Whitelaw was, was who, you know, we know now she has passed, but
• 22:33
  I thought she was still doing the character because the voice
• 22:35
  was just perfect. Thank you.
• 22:38
  Can you tell me your couple of the, the main similarities or
• 22:42
  differences between working on the age of resistance, set
• 22:45
  versus the back to the rock set aside, of course, from the
• 22:49
  country of origin, Well, you know, I didn't work on the set
• 22:55
  of Dark Crystal. Oh, I didn't know that.
• 22:57
  I assumed that you were there. No.
• 23:00
  Kevin Clash performed her and did scratch dialogue.
• 23:03
  But I did, I did scratch track for Kevin to perform with, and
• 23:08
  to shoot with, on the day. And then he would record new
• 23:10
  dialogue. And then that would bounce back
• 23:13
  to me in a TR, you know, months later.
• 23:16
  So, I visited the set, which was amazing.
• 23:18
  I mean, you know, it's just wonderful.
• 23:21
  When a puppet show has a big budget, that was the two main
• 23:25
  similarities and and that I was gifted with recreating an iconic
• 23:30
  character. But so yeah I so wasn't on set
• 23:36
  but it looked awesome. I certainly wanted to be it
• 23:38
  wasn't I'm sure ryung. Hey I wanted to be there to I
• 23:41
  get it Rita. Yeah as Rita if she could just
• 23:45
  put me in your suitcase and throw in one more Americans.
• 23:48
  Nope. Yeah.
• 23:51
  I'm sorry about that but you got to play in Calgary with the rest
• 23:55
  of the Fraggle Rock crew and you got to be in this episode number
• 23:59
  11 which was deep dive. As we've said, let's talk about
• 24:03
  it. How about that?
• 24:04
  Let's do it. So this episode begins in red
• 24:08
  and mokey's Cave where the roommates I love.
• 24:11
  Always when we get to see fraggles wearing pajamas and
• 24:14
  specifically with these two characters with their hair down
• 24:17
  like the guys and that's that's mokey's original row.
• 24:20
  By the way. That's The original series.
• 24:22
  Well that's cool. I love that.
• 24:23
  That's and just saved everything.
• 24:24
  That's so cool. There's so much to do and read
• 24:29
  can't decide. But first before she does
• 24:31
  anything, she has to take a dip in the fraggle Pond, which is
• 24:33
  how she starts every single day wouldn't you?
• 24:36
  If you have been Fraggle Rock we get this cool scene of her at
• 24:41
  the top of the diving Rock and she's full body.
• 24:45
  She's stretching, she looks real.
• 24:47
  I love stuff like that. It's so cool.
• 24:50
  Just I assume we've you've chroma keyed out.
• 24:55
  Karen prowl for that shot and before she can jump, pogie is
• 25:01
  there. He blows his whistle and tells
• 25:02
  her that she can't dive because the fraggle Pond is filled with
• 25:06
  this pink. Goo and more importantly, pogie
• 25:11
  has a whistle and he's going to use it throughout this episode.
• 25:14
  Right? So good for poke.
• 25:16
  Don't we love pogie? We love poke.
• 25:19
  Poke was was Fraggle, Pond, really filled with that that
• 25:23
  pink goo, because I know that you guys are usually use real
• 25:26
  water on sets, but was there really a senior Taliban that it?
• 25:30
  In fact was, oh, I seem to recall that, yes, because I
• 25:34
  remember that shooting the, the GU being sucked up by the vine
• 25:41
  was, is it reverse? Its gue coming out of the vine
• 25:44
  is truly about in Reverse. So yeah, I do believe there was,
• 25:48
  there was going that there. Pond, I seem to recall that
• 25:53
  seems really hard to clean her away from it, but kept the
• 25:56
  puppets far as far away from it as possible because we could be
• 26:00
  a little acts that are pro, right?
• 26:02
  But yes, I believe there was there was good in that pond.
• 26:05
  That's pretty cool. More.
• 26:06
  Practical effects wish I could say it smells like peppermint
• 26:10
  because doesn't it look like it should smell?
• 26:12
  Yeah that or yeah. I was thinking either some kind
• 26:15
  of berry or like Pepto-Bismol you know like kind of Miss
• 26:19
  medicinal. What did it smell?
• 26:21
  Yeah. I don't recall I don't think it
• 26:26
  had a smell that was bit of a miracle on our department.
• 26:29
  Okay. Cars better that than like
• 26:31
  rotting milk. You know what I mean, right?
• 26:33
  Yeah, I've been a bad bad day at work.
• 26:37
  We were checking in with the myrtles.
• 26:40
  The since the pinku is continue to the water, the myrtles are
• 26:42
  all have all been relegated to boobers, laundry buckets and
• 26:47
  they all have the hiccups We already knew all this
• 26:51
  information, but buber wanted to see it again while wearing his
• 26:53
  doctor clothes, which I think is adorable.
• 26:56
  And also a great way to get some plot, Exposition into a new
• 27:00
  episode Gobo suggest that we can scare the myrtles to have them,
• 27:09
  get rid of their hiccups. So boober when we have to
• 27:12
  brainstorm and this is actually something that we've seen in the
• 27:15
  original Fraggle, Rock series. That's boober is an expert in
• 27:19
  scares. There was an episode called
• 27:21
  scared silly, where he scares Wembley over and over and again
• 27:24
  to test his belubius So it's a little bit of hidden commentary.
• 27:29
  Excuse me continuity wouldn't be surprised if Johnny tartaglia
• 27:33
  made that cable'. He looks like he's a fraggle
• 27:36
  database are Johnny he is yeah something that's been referenced
• 27:41
  many times on this podcast of the fact that Johnny knows
• 27:45
  everything and remembers everything from the series and
• 27:48
  in Sisson including everything from the old series.
• 27:52
  Which I as a man, I'm so grateful for not saying that to
• 27:55
  make fun. I love it.
• 27:55
  Yeah. Oh yeah, I know.
• 27:58
  Red wants to help with the situation but she can't focus
• 28:01
  until she's had her first dive of the day but she can't dive
• 28:03
  until they fix the water situation and she is stuck in
• 28:05
  this endless loop. But Mochi is there to tell her
• 28:09
  that the universe is telling read that she needs to relax.
• 28:14
  Read is not exactly the relaxing type, of course, hmm.
• 28:18
  Is that something that you have in common with with Mochi?
• 28:21
  That's oh gosh. Yes.
• 28:23
  I am. If I am your friend, I'm the
• 28:25
  friend who is full of unsold. Sedate advice, most of it's a
• 28:30
  great, but it's good advice. No.
• 28:33
  But, but yeah, I'm definitely, you know.
• 28:37
  Yeah, I think I am a little bit of.
• 28:38
  Okay, this means something, this means something sure.
• 28:42
  This has significance. What does it mean?
• 28:44
  Well yeah I'm definitely both of those aspects of Mochi for a
• 28:49
  sure. Yeah.
• 28:51
  Yeah. The universe is telling you that
• 28:54
  you know XYZ. Yeah.
• 28:56
  Also this is something Not like my father does.
• 28:59
  And I sometimes catch myself doing of like giving someone
• 29:01
  advice and going, why don't you take my advice, I told you the
• 29:04
  answer, just do it. Yeah.
• 29:05
  Like why don't you just go? Yeah I told you to tell why
• 29:08
  aren't you telling ya? My sister is the same way she
• 29:11
  and I will say, you know, I I told him I don't know if people
• 29:15
  would just listen to me. That's right.
• 29:17
  To be so much easier. I have all the answers and it's
• 29:20
  so arrogant. I mean, admittedly is.
• 29:23
  So I love I just love not to jump ahead but I Of mokey's Arc
• 29:28
  in this episode. And it's this this episode is
• 29:32
  the biggest lesson for me personally, that that I don't
• 29:37
  want to get ahead. Go, you do you think do you?
• 29:39
  Okay? We'll get there.
• 29:39
  Alright, well, stay tuned folks. Okay, so this is the part where
• 29:44
  we get to see traveling Matt's post card.
• 29:46
  He's got some great advice for red, he's frolicking in a flower
• 29:50
  bed, he discovers the puff Epistles, which are clouds in
• 29:54
  the sky, which made me think at first, I was like, oh, makes
• 29:57
  sense. Fraggles don't know what clouds
• 29:58
  are because they live in a cave. Then it made me think well,
• 30:01
  they've been in the gorgs garden to the quarks not have caves.
• 30:06
  Excuse me, a clouds over their heads or well.
• 30:09
  Maybe the fraggles are a little more concerned with not getting
• 30:12
  thumped by a gorg and they haven't, you know, they're all,
• 30:15
  that's where they need to have their eyes, right?
• 30:18
  Yeah. I'll accept that as an answer
• 30:19
  that makes sense. Yeah, you gotta keep your head
• 30:21
  forward and not guess. Want to make sense Hugh.
• 30:23
  Glad I passed that one. Who Matt wants to relax with
• 30:30
  those puffy pickles. So he's going to go up there
• 30:33
  and, you know, be among them as a skydiver and we get a classic
• 30:38
  traveling Matt freak out as he skydives.
• 30:41
  And I love whenever there's a moment where traveling Matt is
• 30:45
  explaining in the narration, like it was so relaxing and I
• 30:48
  wasn't scared at all. And of course we're seeing on
• 30:50
  screen, like his eyes are popping out of his head.
• 30:52
  He's, you know, screaming his head off and it's terrible, so
• 30:55
  funny. So funny, you know, I have to
• 30:57
  say that those were all done on locations.
• 30:59
  So Uncle traveling Matt days were separate from set, but
• 31:03
  seeing it all put together with Uncle traveling Matt's.
• 31:07
  So, flippin funny with Frank mesh polite and Kevin Clash
• 31:11
  tag-teaming as Uncle traveling, Matt just, so, so funny.
• 31:16
  Those are some of my favorite scenes.
• 31:18
  I just think they're hilarious. They are hysterical.
• 31:21
  So you never got to work on any of the Travelling Matt segments
• 31:23
  for this. No, sadly, but when Uncle
• 31:26
  traveling, Matt was on the. Rock it was like Yay Uncle
• 31:29
  traveling Matt's back. I know I love that guy.
• 31:34
  We interrupt this podcast for a special postcard from our uncle
• 31:38
  traveling. John's Heart A glia and A
• 31:40
  fraggle fast fact. Today's fraggle fast.
• 31:43
  Fact is choreographing puppets is hard.
• 31:46
  Yes. Choreographing puppets is hard
• 31:48
  especially because for the most part, you only see from the
• 31:50
  waist up on a puppet. But what you have to remember is
• 31:53
  for everything, the puppets doing on-camera, there's a human
• 31:55
  being, a very large human being attached to that.
• 31:57
  A puppet right below frame. So we have to fit sometimes 25
• 32:01
  puppets into frame and we had to figure out where those 25 human
• 32:04
  performers can stand so that they can all see a monitor so
• 32:08
  that everyone can move safely, so that we're not tripping over
• 32:11
  each other, so that the camera doesn't get in the way.
• 32:13
  So it's a lot of logistics. And oftentimes, what we would do
• 32:16
  is on the directors, rehearsal days, every time we get a new
• 32:19
  director, we would have a rehearsal day to figure out
• 32:21
  difficult sequences including musical numbers, we would figure
• 32:24
  out the choreography on that day.
• 32:26
  So when the actual day, It came to shoot the song.
• 32:29
  We kind of already knew what we were going to do.
• 32:31
  One of my favorite musical moments to stage on Fraggle Rock
• 32:33
  was Kragle Lagoon, which is Reds.
• 32:35
  Big kind of fantasy vacation number in episode 8.
• 32:39
  And we did, we had so much fun doing Conga lines and circles
• 32:42
  around red and red was doing this.
• 32:44
  Awesome dance with her Maracas. It was a lot of fun, took a lot
• 32:47
  of work and there's a lot of bodies getting in the way and
• 32:50
  twisting and contorting to make it look good.
• 32:52
  But that's the fun of puppetry and I hope we hope you enjoyed
• 32:54
  it. All right, back to the podcast.
• 33:00
  So read decides, if she can't dive, she needs a new extreme
• 33:04
  activity. She is going to zipline through,
• 33:07
  the Great Hall but Mochi is telling her no, no, universe is
• 33:11
  telling you, you need to slow down and read says, I am red, I
• 33:15
  move. I jump sometimes I lunged, but I
• 33:17
  do not sit still, which is accurate.
• 33:22
  I don't need to tell you that. That's very red.
• 33:24
  She can't stand still, stand still at all.
• 33:27
  Which sounds exhausting for Karen.
• 33:29
  The Karen always has to be on the Move.
• 33:31
  Yes. Karen is a very active person.
• 33:34
  She you know, she's a very sporty person.
• 33:37
  She always has gear the proper Gear with her.
• 33:40
  She's a Johnny always said that Karen is the person you want
• 33:44
  with you in the zombie apocalypse because she has.
• 33:48
  She has everything last March we.
• 33:51
  We took a gondola up to some snowy peak in Calgary.
• 33:56
  A bunch of us went. It was my birthday.
• 33:58
  And so bunch of us went and Karen had their, we get off the
• 34:02
  gondola and Karen reaches into her bag and Shobha, Shobha.
• 34:06
  She had this like collapsible poles like to hike with the snow
• 34:11
  is like, amazing. It's what those out that's
• 34:16
  totally prepared, totally active but yeah, she she canoes she
• 34:21
  bikes, she hikes. She's a, she's a, she's a go-go
• 34:24
  goer. Wow, so she would zipline over
• 34:28
  the Great. If she could Karen probably
• 34:30
  would. Yeah yeah we would I'm leaving.
• 34:35
  Meanwhile we're going to check in with the Doozers there.
• 34:37
  They have a support group circle because they have been able to
• 34:40
  build lately and I love this shot of them sitting around the
• 34:44
  circle and they're all kind of in mid Panic or mid.
• 34:47
  I don't know depression depressive episode I love that.
• 34:52
  Some of them are wearing knitted clothing.
• 34:54
  I think one of them is actually knitting and that seems to be a
• 34:57
  call back to the original series episode.
• 34:58
  Great radish famine, when they are not able to build because
• 35:03
  they don't have enough radishes and the Doozers shift from
• 35:05
  construction to knitting. So is it is part of their their
• 35:10
  blood that they love to knit gotta stay busy.
• 35:13
  Exactly. Idle Hands.
• 35:15
  Idle tiny, these are hands. Doctor level is the leader of
• 35:18
  this group. He has a tiny little clipboard
• 35:21
  and it one point we see the clipboard.
• 35:23
  Like he kind of shows it to the camera.
• 35:25
  I pause it to see what he's been writing and he had been
• 35:28
  doodling. There's a little picture of a
• 35:30
  dog. There's a little island.
• 35:31
  There's a picture of a drill. He is probably not very good at
• 35:35
  his job. He's not taking accurate notes.
• 35:36
  At all. No no.
• 35:39
  But he did have some good advice.
• 35:40
  Sometimes you gotta walk away and come back with fresh screws.
• 35:44
  That's true. Right.
• 35:45
  That's true. Yeah, we're going to see that
• 35:48
  especially with cotter pin who check in with because she is
• 35:54
  still trying to figure out what's going on with this pink
• 35:55
  goo and how to clean it. And even No, the other teachers
• 35:59
  are telling her it's you know, to walk away.
• 36:02
  She's like a can't. I'm in the middle of this
• 36:04
  project. Had a focus on it and hey, you
• 36:07
  are cotter pin. Yeah, that's pretty neat.
• 36:11
  I was, I agree. Was that a guy like a gimme that
• 36:15
  because you were playing Kathy Mullins characters that you
• 36:18
  would also be cotter pin or was at an audition process as well.
• 36:21
  Nope no it was just, it was a bundle.
• 36:25
  I was given the bundle of Mochi and cotter pin both and Yeah,
• 36:30
  what a great character cotter pin is and I want I can just so
• 36:36
  relate. She's hard on herself, she
• 36:38
  pushes herself, she's pretty you know, Relentless she uses that
• 36:44
  word Relentless but gosh I just I just love how busy she is.
• 36:49
  Did she just takes things on and she's pretty selfless.
• 36:52
  Yeah. So heard architect together.
• 36:57
  My gosh Johnny and I We just caught up in.
• 37:01
  Did I ever tell you about the time?
• 37:02
  I was Loni Anderson's Pool boy, because just yesterday, sir.
• 37:09
  So we said, we were going to come up with like a spinning
• 37:11
  wheel of like some celebrity in some weird occupation and spin
• 37:16
  it. So Johnny gets, could I tell you
• 37:17
  about the time? I was Eric, Estrada's
• 37:20
  pedicurist, that's right, are not the manicures, just the
• 37:24
  pedicurist. We can't reach his fingers, he's
• 37:28
  so tiny me, I know, right? Anyway.
• 37:32
  Yes, as if I love it, that's, that's got to be such a blast.
• 37:36
  And one of the great thing about Cotter pin, in my opinion is,
• 37:39
  she's one of the few characters from the original series, who
• 37:42
  had like, a really full story arc because she starts isn't
• 37:46
  this this newbie, but she has ideas and then she gets, she
• 37:50
  graduates to becoming, you know, like a cyst, an architect.
• 37:54
  And she's the one who ends up having these relationships with
• 37:58
  the fraggles. And kind of bringing them into
• 38:00
  her world and she's not the same doozer that she was, you know,
• 38:05
  if between the first episode middle of the series in the end
• 38:07
  of the series. So I love seeing some of those
• 38:11
  characteristics carry through to the new series which you know,
• 38:14
  as we know is is like this soft reboot where she's the same
• 38:18
  doozer as she was before but also not really yeah, yeah, I
• 38:24
  love that she's just, you know, this the same but but different
• 38:28
  and I just love that she, you know, she kind of helps to save
• 38:32
  the day and, and, you know, subsequent episodes, but she
• 38:36
  just kind of just doesn't stop. And she just wants to keep
• 38:40
  growing learning and it's not about ego for her.
• 38:43
  And, you know, she's very much a doozer and it's, you know, it's
• 38:46
  all about work, work work. But yeah, her spirit her, you
• 38:52
  know, her cool little vehicle that she drives.
• 38:55
  I mean, come on the all the vehicles, getting an upgrade
• 38:59
  Made. Yes, just the doozer Dome days
• 39:02
  where, you know extremely bit claustrophobic days but gosh it
• 39:06
  was it was fun playing with all these dudes are some it looked
• 39:09
  so good that doozer. Joey did we first walked in and
• 39:13
  saw that we were all like, ah, what this play set?
• 39:18
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
• 39:20
  Someone get Henson licensing on the phone.
• 39:22
  We need a yeah. Need to do is replace that were
• 39:24
  there. Any interesting challenges to
• 39:27
  performing a doozer as Opposed to like a hand.
• 39:29
  Puppet, like a fraggle? Yeah, very much.
• 39:32
  So we had two different versions of each one.
• 39:35
  We had the the remote control version and then the rod puppet
• 39:40
  version. I think we ended up using the
• 39:43
  remote controls mostly but there was a big learning curve with
• 39:46
  the Doozers on this show because they're all mechanical and you
• 39:52
  know wires and you know things they are prone to to you know a
• 39:58
  little snack. Who's here and there, but an
• 40:01
  amazing team who would were always at the ready flying in.
• 40:05
  And just going to the doozer part of the Creature Shop in
• 40:09
  Calgary and seeing all the little tiny props, the tiny
• 40:12
  drills, the little tiny hands that would change out and tiny
• 40:17
  little accessories that they would wear.
• 40:20
  I mean, such detail. I mean, you just and I Remember
• 40:24
  Loving, just loving the Doozers. I love the Doozers.
• 40:34
  And yeah, like I said once once we got over that learning curve
• 40:40
  it was it was great. Such fun with with so many radio
• 40:44
  control Parts. Something must have gone wrong
• 40:48
  at some point, are there any interesting stories about
• 40:52
  something with the Doozers, just completely not working or
• 40:54
  falling apart, or disaster striking Cutter pin did catch
• 40:59
  fire one time, what? Yeah, there was a day where you
• 41:04
  know, Kira was a holding cotter pin, the rod version and she was
• 41:09
  oh this is getting warm and then 0 and then we saw a little bit
• 41:13
  of smoke and little Flames. Jason was right there just roof
• 41:17
  and so it was, you know, just a couple of seconds but you know,
• 41:20
  these things, these things can happen.
• 41:22
  But yeah, people are right there, taking care of it.
• 41:25
  So it was a it was a Dramatic event.
• 41:29
  But it literally lasted two seconds.
• 41:31
  But we talked about it all day long.
• 41:33
  Oh my gosh. Yeah, horse.
• 41:35
  I mean, also lets terrifying for a number of reasons.
• 41:37
  Yes. And not the actual puppet, the
• 41:40
  the battery part that was on the handle.
• 41:43
  So yeah, right. Gotcha.
• 41:44
  Yeah, I've heard some battery and then right.
• 41:48
  And then back away where we've heard similar stories, like we
• 41:52
  obviously know the story about you know the fire that broke out
• 41:54
  on the age of resistance set and I Was present.
• 41:58
  This I won't go into too much detail on this but I was present
• 42:00
  for a minor similar fire where, you know, like the spark in the
• 42:06
  smoke but not the real fire on a Sesame Street thing that.
• 42:12
  Yeah, it was, it was like they had a new thing, a new Gizmo and
• 42:16
  and they were testing it out and, you know, it was one of
• 42:18
  those like two seconds later and Elmo would have caught fire and
• 42:21
  then you lose an Elmo, you know, thankfully, that didn't happen.
• 42:25
  Everyone's okay. But Papa, His day is dangerous
• 42:28
  business. You know, tell you what, I think
• 42:32
  can happen. My, um, it's true.
• 42:35
  So later on in the episode, what we can, we can put a bow on the
• 42:39
  little, the doozer story line here.
• 42:41
  Cutter pin does agree that she needs to take a break.
• 42:44
  Come back with fresh eyes, fresh perspective.
• 42:47
  And she drops one of those vines into the water and it see that
• 42:51
  it sucks up the the pink goop. That'll be something that
• 42:54
  carries through to the next episode.
• 42:56
  But I love that you told us that That they shot that in reverse
• 42:59
  because I genuinely didn't know. I didn't think about it.
• 43:01
  I just assumed it was actually sucking up the pink goo, the
• 43:06
  magic of Cinema. They're really that's Hollywood.
• 43:12
  A mysterious Sky bucket is dropping into the fraggle Pond
• 43:16
  and it is from Junior gorg who is getting some water for junior
• 43:20
  jr. His plant junior is worried
• 43:24
  because like he was not expecting this pink goo but it
• 43:26
  seems that Mom paw Gorg love it because they're using it as mud
• 43:30
  masks. Mom's chin.
• 43:32
  Fur has never been softer. I will take her word for it
• 43:38
  later on, in the episode Junior, realizes the pinku is actually
• 43:41
  hurting jr. Jr.
• 43:43
  And he makes the realization that what's good for the gorgs?
• 43:45
  May not be good for the plants and he douses Junior journalism
• 43:49
  water to clean and clean them up.
• 43:51
  Were you at all involved with the the the gorg segments of the
• 43:55
  show? Very little, I got to be junior
• 43:58
  jr. In one of the later episodes
• 44:04
  forget which one wasn't this one?
• 44:06
  Where do you know, Juniors pot is sitting on on the bank of
• 44:13
  next to where the fraggles come out.
• 44:15
  So there was one time where I was the I was free.
• 44:17
  I was the person and ran underneath figured out this
• 44:21
  does. This Is Us Okay and like I've
• 44:23
  done Spider-Man. I know how technical things.
• 44:26
  Work, you lift, you initiate the movement from the base.
• 44:28
  I got this side, so, um, I popped that in for a couple I
• 44:33
  think it was gosh, was it the, it may have been during the, the
• 44:39
  cutaways for the song, the big one heart song or than the final
• 44:46
  episode. Yeah, I may be mistaken, but it
• 44:50
  was definitely one where where jr.
• 44:52
  Jr. Revives.
• 44:54
  But yeah, I actually had a couple days off when it was gorg
• 44:57
  time because I just was not needed or there was, there was
• 45:02
  always a blue cube set up either on stage 3 where the gorgs
• 45:05
  garden was or on stage one or both.
• 45:09
  So anytime there was a ton of extra footage that would be
• 45:13
  second unit or even third unit. I think on some days where
• 45:17
  anything full body with a fraggle or you know some doozer
• 45:22
  stuff to was shot in a blue cube so we were always rotating
• 45:26
  Between sets. So you yeah, usually on gorg
• 45:28
  stuff it was generally in the blue cube doing something right.
• 45:32
  Well there's a great shot. I think it's in the first
• 45:34
  episode where Junior gorg picks up Mochi and mochi does be the
• 45:39
  noodle and slides out of his hand.
• 45:40
  And we were told that was done live for the shot Juniors hand
• 45:45
  and they shot. Obviously you in that blue cube
• 45:47
  as Mochi. Yeah, that's cool.
• 45:50
  I was so fun to shoot in layers. I don't know that I've ever done
• 45:54
  that. It was it was just super
• 45:57
  exciting to do that. So I would sort of shape her to
• 46:01
  to be in his hand and and my favorite part was, of course was
• 46:06
  Kira's. Help was sliding out and sliding
• 46:10
  over and making a weird noise. I think be the noodle, who play
• 46:14
  all that? He can barely hear it.
• 46:17
  He's a noodle just sort of making, of course.
• 46:22
  Yeah. When you're when you sort of
• 46:25
  forget that you have bone For a second and just think it sounds
• 46:28
  dumb that sound is in their final version.
• 46:32
  But yeah, shooting with layers like that.
• 46:34
  It was really oh, that was the the one in the in the first
• 46:38
  episode where you're shooting the you see the fraggles from
• 46:41
  behind and they're running and they do the big leap, they fall
• 46:45
  down to the trash and that's where they first meet trash Heap
• 46:47
  in this iteration that was we're sitting in place on little rolly
• 46:54
  stools under the Frame making these frogs run, but we're
• 46:58
  watching our puppets on this moving shot and I don't remember
• 47:02
  if they were doing it live on the gorg set simultaneously with
• 47:06
  us or if it was pre-recorded but it was like a video game.
• 47:10
  So like on the side monkeys got a little rock and I think I went
• 47:13
  around it for a second and then did a quick glance back and then
• 47:16
  we all just wow jump that is like this is like puppeteering
• 47:19
  in a video game. This is so cool.
• 47:22
  Yeah, yeah that like kind of like a new love that a new
• 47:25
  muscle. Too kind of exercise there
• 47:27
  because yeah, yeah. Usually you can least like I'm
• 47:30
  sure you're always looking your mom and Bruce anyway, but like
• 47:32
  if you need to you can glance up and see.
• 47:34
  Okay there's a rock there you know, I can get around that.
• 47:37
  Yeah yeah such helpful also because it just orient's you and
• 47:40
  lets, you know, you know where you are.
• 47:43
  What you're looking at, where junior is all of that stuff.
• 47:47
  So it was and I think the one of the first times whether when you
• 47:51
  first see them coming into the gorgs garden and there's a ramp
• 47:54
  of blue Ramp. And you see like Johnny you're
• 47:58
  walking down that was done on Blues.
• 48:01
  I think you only see full body Gobo, full body, red and that
• 48:04
  one in the rest of us are just kind of peeking behind.
• 48:07
  But yeah, they built a blue ramp and everything and they layered
• 48:09
  in the the actual fraggle whole. So you know, we could see what
• 48:14
  was going on. Oh, it's just so fascinating and
• 48:17
  it's super helpful as a performer in the kind of thing
• 48:20
  that like they could easily add in post if they wanted to and
• 48:24
  they make it It much easier for you.
• 48:27
  You can have such a more natural performance when you can see
• 48:30
  live. Exactly what's going to be
• 48:32
  seeing on screen. Yeah, it's you can tell you
• 48:36
  could see that professionalism, you know, as a viewer good.
• 48:39
  Yeah. Yeah, definitely.
• 48:41
  Okay. Next up, we check in with Doc
• 48:43
  and sprocket sprocket has fleas and he's wearing a cone that
• 48:48
  makes him look like a cute lamp Doc, is trying to give him his
• 48:52
  flea pills, but he just won't have a he spit it out.
• 48:55
  She Tries with putting it in with a cookie and a block of
• 49:00
  cheese while tickling him with some of these.
• 49:02
  We get a really cool shot with the as if the camera is inside
• 49:06
  sprockets mouth, as we she's fun.
• 49:09
  Yeah. Do you know how they did that?
• 49:12
  Oh, I I wasn't there that day, but I would guess that they
• 49:16
  built a special, you know, sprocket rig for that, and
• 49:20
  framed up on Lily through that. And I imagine it's larger than
• 49:24
  the actual sprocket, right? But, but yeah, yeah, that was
• 49:28
  those fun POV shots. Just I just love.
• 49:31
  Am I thought that added so much? But yeah, that's my guess is
• 49:35
  that they built a big interior. Interior of sprockets math.
• 49:39
  Yeah. Did you scam right?
• 49:42
  Yeah. Did you ever get to play on the
• 49:44
  the dock Workshop? Set with those folks?
• 49:47
  Yeah, just a little. I assisted Frank mesh light on
• 49:50
  Uncle traveling Matt. When he comes back in the last
• 49:55
  Odd or two when he comes back and you know that was I think
• 50:00
  that was my first day on set back in January because you
• 50:02
  know, we shot all the dock and sprocket stuff at the very
• 50:05
  beginning of the shoot. So all of that was done in
• 50:08
  January and then we moved to the fraggle to the Great Hall.
• 50:12
  So yeah, and we shot in of a so 12, where cotter pin comes in
• 50:19
  climbs, climbs up the furry Mountain, Harry Mojo, and then
• 50:23
  climbs up on the desk we ended up reshoot.
• 50:25
  It at the end because like I said there was this learning
• 50:28
  curve with Doozers and so yeah we reshot all that which I was
• 50:33
  glad about because I think that was also my first day who you
• 50:38
  want to nail your first day and it was a little it was a little
• 50:41
  challenging so I feel like that's benefit.
• 50:43
  Yeah. Everyone's first day is
• 50:45
  something extremely challenged everyone is just like thrown in
• 50:48
  feet. First to something that like
• 50:50
  it's not just like getting your puppet on screen and seeing a
• 50:52
  few lines. It's not an hour.
• 50:54
  We're going to have your doozer. Climbing on a dog up the up the
• 50:57
  thing. And, you know, here you go duck,
• 51:01
  right? Yeah.
• 51:03
  And you just do your best and sometimes you get to reshoot,
• 51:05
  sometimes you don't. But yeah, are you just got to
• 51:09
  get out of rally and leave the ego behind and get in there and
• 51:14
  do the thing. Exactly.
• 51:16
  Get the shot. That's good advice for all of
• 51:18
  us. Just get in there and do the
• 51:19
  thing. Do the thing, get in the air.
• 51:22
  Check that ego at the door. Exactly.
• 51:26
  Back in Fraggle, Rock boober Wembley have come up with
• 51:29
  something pretty scary to help the mughals break out of their
• 51:31
  pickups. The scary thing is basically
• 51:34
  Wembley covering his eyes, you know, putting his arms up and
• 51:37
  going raaah, it doesn't work. It was terrifying but it did not
• 51:41
  work but Mochi has a great response.
• 51:44
  This like dead Pam. Like your you guys were gone
• 51:46
  quite a while. That's what you came up with.
• 51:51
  Yeah, so great loves it when I love what she does when she's
• 51:55
  got a little Fast. Yeah, yeah, that's fun.
• 51:59
  Later on in the episode Gobo boober Wembley, you're going to
• 52:02
  try a couple more times to scare the myrtles that cover the sums
• 52:05
  of cover themselves in blankets and throw them off and Shout.
• 52:08
  These are all very like cheap low-key voice to scare them.
• 52:12
  I noticed, like there's no real, like interesting puppetry
• 52:15
  effects or computer, animated assistant, whatever new props
• 52:21
  and characters to build. It's like now we're just gonna
• 52:24
  peek a boo and scare them. Real, real low Tech.
• 52:27
  Those guys had so much fun shooting those scenes.
• 52:29
  I have to say, they just, there are also silly for rank Jordan
• 52:33
  and Johnny Gosch, they had a lot of fun.
• 52:36
  The the scene where they're there, they have the graphic was
• 52:41
  like first going to do this? That's later though, isn't it?
• 52:43
  That's a little bit later about the last.
• 52:45
  Yeah. Okay.
• 52:45
  You talk about gladly no go ahead go for it.
• 52:48
  Yeah we shot that like first thing in the morning so I was
• 52:50
  kind of still working. It's like all three of those
• 52:54
  guys had had like 17 shots of espresso before because they're
• 52:57
  all like weird. But as performers and all that
• 53:00
  energy is in the show which is just so exciting.
• 53:03
  I remember thinking, okay? They're like flying high with
• 53:07
  all this adrenaline and monkeys not monkeys.
• 53:09
  Just kind of like oh my gosh. Okay, so they walk past and I
• 53:13
  just had her staring at these giant white eyes and I just kept
• 53:16
  her, kept her there for much longer than they ended up using
• 53:21
  in the tank but it was, it was really hilarious.
• 53:24
  Yeah. They the boys.
• 53:25
  A blast with this episode, for sure.
• 53:28
  Yeah. And honestly Mochi does Mochi.
• 53:32
  Does look real great, you know, opposite them like you're right.
• 53:37
  They have this high energy and they're being very silly and
• 53:39
  funny but Mochi being so far back reserved and so deadpan
• 53:44
  with like no like that. Yeah, that's not a thing.
• 53:48
  Like it makes it doubly hysterical.
• 53:51
  I think it's I think it's great. I think it's mokey's really
• 53:53
  funny in those scenes. Red is ziplining through the
• 54:00
  Great Hall and she smacks right into a giant doozer.
• 54:03
  Construction and Falls. Her tail is all zigzaggy bent.
• 54:08
  We later, find out that it's sprained.
• 54:11
  I like that she says, like please don't tell me that was my
• 54:13
  belubius and pogi runs in blows his whistle.
• 54:17
  That was your belubius. We are spared, the get smart
• 54:20
  joke of I asked you not to tell me that but we got it.
• 54:25
  We knew it. This is where we get our first
• 54:29
  song of the episode Red sings. Once upon a time, I knew my name
• 54:33
  which came from the original series, the episode gobos
• 54:36
  discovery. That one was sung by Gobo.
• 54:41
  He's questioning whether or not he wants to continue being an
• 54:43
  Explorer. So I guess both of these
• 54:45
  episodes are about fraggles, having these identity crises.
• 54:48
  Mmm, red is backed up by two interesting-looking puppets,
• 54:54
  which I recently learned And are called the sneels do that.
• 55:00
  Yeah. Like these colorful rat carrot
• 55:02
  creatures. The only made a couple of like
• 55:05
  blink and you'll miss it appearances on Fraggle Rock.
• 55:08
  Like the only time I've ever seen them as like they're
• 55:11
  literally just passing through the screen.
• 55:14
  They were mostly used as one of those deals.
• 55:17
  Where are you? Yeah, I did the snails in that
• 55:19
  number. So it myself an end Hayward were
• 55:22
  worse kneeling in there and I think there's a giant clam back
• 55:25
  there too. That's also singing backup.
• 55:27
  I think that was Dan Garza. Yeah.
• 55:30
  It was, it was so wonderful to participate in that, that
• 55:35
  beautiful song and I know Karen had told us that she got choked
• 55:41
  up quite a few times, reporting that song, thinking of Jerry and
• 55:46
  their special friendship and how wonderful he was.
• 55:48
  And yeah, he was part of the stories that, you know, she
• 55:54
  would tell us You know, I think their bond was very special and
• 55:58
  that was very evident. So yeah, gorgeous song, I loved
• 56:02
  everything about that. Let the background vocals, I
• 56:04
  thought were the arrangement was beautiful.
• 56:09
  The lighting I thought was great and you know it's really for
• 56:13
  this iteration of the song that that moment of, if I'm not this,
• 56:18
  who am? I is so powerful and I think we
• 56:22
  can all relate to that. I think we've all had moments
• 56:24
  like that in our lives. So yeah.
• 56:27
  Beautiful song, beautiful. And Karen really does sing the
• 56:31
  heck out of it. Smells really a terrific
• 56:34
  performance. And yet as you say, you know,
• 56:37
  the question of, if I'm not this, who am I?
• 56:38
  That's pretty deep for a kids show.
• 56:40
  Yes, it is. Yeah, we're I think Fraggle Rock
• 56:44
  is always gone there, you know, in the original show and this
• 56:47
  one too. But in a more in a more modern
• 56:51
  and updated way. Yeah.
• 56:55
  The song ends Mochi enters to console.
• 56:58
  Red, red. Ask sir, how do you help when
• 57:01
  you feel helpless which man that breaks my heart.
• 57:04
  Mmm. And then she blows her nose on
• 57:06
  Mochi shirt, which doesn't exactly break my heart, but it's
• 57:10
  a little sad. And again, you got a great
• 57:14
  deadpan response from okey, just like, okay, this is happening.
• 57:17
  All right, let it all out. Oh yeah, it was fun mokey.
• 57:23
  Takes her to the mood ring which He's a cool-looking cave with
• 57:27
  these reflective cracks in the walls.
• 57:30
  That's got to be real, right? Like that's a real case that
• 57:33
  they built it. Absolutely is we we joked around
• 57:37
  that it looked like the inside of large.
• 57:40
  Marvin stomach. We'll see if that makes the
• 57:45
  final version, but I kept saying that and finally, you're going
• 57:50
  to our Wrangler extraordinary was like, please stop saying
• 57:54
  that please. Now I can't unsee that.
• 57:56
  We can't unsee. It's kind of a little more fiber
• 58:03
  awful. I just love all these so you
• 58:06
  cannot see it right? You think it's right?
• 58:09
  Yeah, percent. But all of these cave seeds are
• 58:12
  just gorgeous. The set design on the show.
• 58:14
  I can't get over it. Well, beautiful, and I love the
• 58:18
  way this cave looks particular with those.
• 58:20
  I don't know how else to say that those like opaque cracks in
• 58:23
  the walls, that like the kind of shiny.
• 58:26
  Their kind of reflective really gives it a different look than
• 58:29
  the other case that we've seen on the show.
• 58:31
  Yeah. There they have a like their
• 58:35
  holes with lights behind and then different color gels over
• 58:39
  them. And the lights were a little
• 58:40
  warm when they're in the islands because you know there's modular
• 58:44
  pieces Is that that move around that puppeteers can get into, or
• 58:48
  behind or something like that? So yeah, those lights were a
• 58:51
  little toasty that was a toast that was great and bit tricky,
• 58:57
  because they're so scratchy though, a lot of the rocks of
• 59:01
  Fraggle Rock that the fraggles could get stuck to them.
• 59:05
  Oh, it's like like velcro almost.
• 59:07
  So we would have to be really careful when we were actually on
• 59:10
  the rocks and it wasn't clothing between, you know, so You didn't
• 59:15
  want to Spill the fabric of the of the fraggles.
• 59:20
  So, yeah, it was when monkeys sitting with her hands on the
• 59:22
  Rocco's employee to get that hand off of the rock.
• 59:27
  So it was a bit of a trick that we owned navigate throughout.
• 59:32
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 59:32
  Like sitting on the other cars in summer, you know?
• 59:35
  Yes right. Yeah.
• 59:40
  Mokey is going to teach read how to meditate, which does not seem
• 59:44
  Scooby up Reds alley, mokey shows her how it's done and
• 59:48
  there's cool lighting change in the cave, which read takes note
• 59:52
  of these colorful blobs. Start to float around mokey.
• 59:58
  It makes it look like she has. She has control over the
• 1:00:01
  Infinity Stones or something. They are thought bulbs and
• 1:00:06
  things like worry, stress, happiness, and fear and mochi
• 1:00:09
  can acknowledge them and let them pass.
• 1:00:12
  And that's what gives her this feeling.
• 1:00:14
  Of peacefulness. Yes, I thought what a great
• 1:00:19
  description of what meditation is for kids?
• 1:00:23
  Yeah, that was tremendous because, you know, if you've
• 1:00:26
  ever met if you've ever meditated, Joe you'll know that
• 1:00:29
  thoughts will fly by like like like like clouds and you and you
• 1:00:34
  supposed to say, like okay that's a thought, it's just, you
• 1:00:37
  know, I'm a release it, let it go and get back to being
• 1:00:39
  centered in the here and now and trying to keep your mind as free
• 1:00:42
  as possible. But yeah, that I thought Comes
• 1:00:44
  in and you're supposed to let it go.
• 1:00:46
  But but to have a bit of visual there, I thought was just really
• 1:00:50
  cool and just a great way to to show kids what medication
• 1:00:53
  actually is absolutely for a good or not good.
• 1:00:57
  But right, it wasn't good for read.
• 1:01:00
  Well and I am very much like red in this situation where like I
• 1:01:04
  can't like you told me to close my eyes.
• 1:01:05
  I got a million thoughts that are that are flying through my
• 1:01:07
  head, there's no identifying them and letting them pass.
• 1:01:10
  It's just like, I can't shut it off.
• 1:01:13
  So I need something like red. Where I'm gonna do this.
• 1:01:16
  Other thing that will help me Focus.
• 1:01:19
  Like it's an actual active activity and that's how I can
• 1:01:23
  kind of get myself back on track.
• 1:01:25
  So I very much related to read in these scenes and it's true
• 1:01:31
  because she is already bored, like, she just sitting there and
• 1:01:36
  so fun. This team is so fun to do.
• 1:01:38
  I thought on paper, it was just hilarious and I to get to have
• 1:01:44
  mochi. Get a little more agitated as it
• 1:01:46
  goes because you're trying to know, you can really benefit is
• 1:01:48
  to just throw rocks at the end again just, you know, better
• 1:01:54
  this time right? Just don't mess it up.
• 1:01:57
  It's also funny. And just just such perfect
• 1:02:01
  capsulation encapsulation of this friendship.
• 1:02:04
  This relationships between these two, right, and the right
• 1:02:07
  shoulder to the juxtaposition between these two, very
• 1:02:10
  different characters, who love each other very much.
• 1:02:12
  But, but yes, but their energy level Our are not exactly on the
• 1:02:16
  same, the same place. Yeah, so fun.
• 1:02:20
  And it's funny because like I at first, I thought like there's no
• 1:02:22
  way Reds gonna get into this because she's got no eyelids,
• 1:02:25
  her eyes are on top of her head and she always looks shocked,
• 1:02:28
  but she grows eyelids for a minute.
• 1:02:30
  So she could try meditating and that did make me think.
• 1:02:35
  I'm something I want to ask you is mokey's, one of the few
• 1:02:37
  characters who has retractable eyelids.
• 1:02:40
  How do they work as a puppeteer? And Is it something that you
• 1:02:47
  particularly enjoy using? Or is it more of like an added
• 1:02:50
  challenge to to playing the character?
• 1:02:54
  I love an iMac. I had my first iMac on another
• 1:03:00
  Hanson. Coppage animals.
• 1:03:02
  It was very different. It was a cable one.
• 1:03:05
  So it didn't have a battery or any servos or moving Parts.
• 1:03:08
  Well, it was moving Parts, but it wasn't electronic.
• 1:03:11
  This version was a battery pack. So, The service you made a bit
• 1:03:15
  of noise. But boy, I just love it because,
• 1:03:19
  you know, you can get so much expression and I feel like it
• 1:03:23
  just adds to the to conveying the emotion to conveying humor,
• 1:03:29
  you know, all of that stuff and I Johnny said, she's got a
• 1:03:33
  really cool iMac that's like, okay, you're gonna give me a toy
• 1:03:38
  to using it. So, I'll just, I'm just gonna
• 1:03:40
  push until someone tells me to back off and no one ever did.
• 1:03:43
  So, So yeah, I I'll work and iMac because it's just another
• 1:03:49
  great tool to have as a puppeteer.
• 1:03:51
  And when you, when you can, you know, things like, you know,
• 1:03:56
  like in the moment where she is consoling, red mokey is
• 1:03:59
  consoling, red and then, and then read, you know, blows her
• 1:04:02
  nose in the dress. I can pop the eyes open to go.
• 1:04:04
  Okay. Yeah, no problem.
• 1:04:06
  And you know, but in the mouth a little bit said, yeah, you you
• 1:04:09
  little punk. So, just just all of those
• 1:04:13
  things. Just another toy to use to do
• 1:04:17
  what you need to do. I just love it but yeah, not
• 1:04:20
  every fraggle is so lucky. So we would of course, stop tape
• 1:04:24
  pop some eyelids on red or whomever and right.
• 1:04:27
  And then there was you, it's especially cool that mokey's
• 1:04:31
  iMac, doesn't only go up for surprise but they can close all
• 1:04:36
  the way all the way. Is that right?
• 1:04:38
  Yep. Yeah.
• 1:04:39
  That's pretty neat. Yeah, so the neutral is like if
• 1:04:42
  I like if I let go of the Mac, it's 75, 80 percent, that's her
• 1:04:47
  neutral of open and so that I can push it and it will go up to
• 1:04:51
  opening 100% And then pull it the opposite way.
• 1:04:54
  It's a wheel, a little wheel on a bike, a bike handle, and then
• 1:04:57
  go the opposite way. And you know, for set and
• 1:05:00
  anywhere in between for sadness or yeah, kind of place you and
• 1:05:04
  or you know anything so yeah, love it and it's like a wish all
• 1:05:09
  puppets had them the oh yeah, I'm sure.
• 1:05:12
  I assume it's attached to your arm rod.
• 1:05:14
  Add a her arm Rod. It is yes to her, left arm rod
• 1:05:18
  and it can detach. So there would be times where I
• 1:05:22
  would have the, just the I make in my hand.
• 1:05:25
  And Kira, having both of mokey's, hands.
• 1:05:27
  I think one of the promos that you see, I think the BTS was on
• 1:05:32
  social media and you see that it's that I think the theme song
• 1:05:37
  dedicated to a claw. So yeah.
• 1:05:39
  Yes, Akira has both and I just have the iMac.
• 1:05:42
  So so yeah, we would, we would shake things up.
• 1:05:44
  Very things that way. It's great.
• 1:05:47
  I love it. So red is not relaxing at all.
• 1:05:52
  This is not working unsurprisingly so she gives up
• 1:05:55
  she leaves. The cave will get back to them
• 1:05:58
  in a second, but Gobo Wembley and boober have one more plan to
• 1:06:01
  scare the mughals, as we said, it was this high energy scene
• 1:06:06
  where they've got this whole Illustrated plan that involves
• 1:06:10
  blue pie a smoke bomb giant Wembley claiming that He ate
• 1:06:15
  boober, it's foolproof. It's got to work.
• 1:06:19
  But of course, the The Fog he's the that they're using for smoke
• 1:06:22
  bombs, they they're actually grease berries when we drop some
• 1:06:26
  Global slips on them and he collides right into boober,
• 1:06:28
  boober takes a pie in the face, comedy classic, and it makes
• 1:06:33
  them were girls laugh, which actually cures them of their
• 1:06:35
  hiccups. This is basically Monsters, Inc,
• 1:06:39
  rules mokey, Takes note of this and she says, oh well, you tried
• 1:06:47
  to force your plan that didn't work.
• 1:06:49
  And that's what I've been doing to read, which is a an
• 1:06:51
  interesting observation for her. You can't push too hard.
• 1:06:56
  That's right. Again a great lesson for
• 1:06:59
  grown-ups, like me as well as is for kids that and then going
• 1:07:04
  into that great song and I love that, she gets this lightbulb
• 1:07:08
  moment and learns this lesson and then the song happens right
• 1:07:12
  up right after that so it's really a continuation of that
• 1:07:15
  thought. I thought that was very
• 1:07:16
  interesting and that's a great song to but just yeah it's just
• 1:07:22
  you need to Let other people figure they're out their own way
• 1:07:26
  out. If they ask for help great.
• 1:07:28
  Be sure to you know offer that help but you know we'll all get
• 1:07:32
  there in our own time. So great, great, great song, I
• 1:07:35
  love that song. Yeah.
• 1:07:37
  So the song is called no two paths and I think I'd have to
• 1:07:42
  revisit all the the songs from the show but this has got some
• 1:07:45
  of maybe my favorite choreography of any song that
• 1:07:48
  we've seen so far. Mainly because first of all the
• 1:07:52
  choreography is very simple. It's just The fraggles moving
• 1:07:56
  swaying like there's nothing really technically different
• 1:08:01
  about it but there's like a what's the word like a symmetry
• 1:08:07
  to it where you know, a character will pop up behind
• 1:08:09
  another one and then someone pop up on the other side and then
• 1:08:12
  there's, you know, five fraggles on either side that are all
• 1:08:15
  swing in different ways and passing by each other.
• 1:08:17
  And, you know, there's a point where Mochi and Gobo drop down
• 1:08:21
  and then pop up in the back behind the myrtles.
• 1:08:25
  I think it's just a cool. It's very like visually.
• 1:08:27
  It's just a really cool way to Showcase that song rather than
• 1:08:29
  just like having the character sit there and sing it and maybe
• 1:08:32
  sway a little bit. Yeah, yeah, I love that.
• 1:08:35
  That was a, that was a sweaty day.
• 1:08:37
  Also, it was later in the shoot. So it was a little warmer but
• 1:08:40
  Johnny said I'm going to really push the choreography on this
• 1:08:42
  number. I'm like bring it.
• 1:08:44
  I love puppy choreography. So I'm like the harder the
• 1:08:47
  better just bring it on and you know that puppets popping up in
• 1:08:51
  the front and back. That's that's a good old.
• 1:08:54
  Texas, which I think it was Andy Hayward and a meager.
• 1:08:58
  See, I think we're were also go and mochi and that seems.
• 1:09:03
  Yeah, that's cool. And yeah and stuff.
• 1:09:05
  That was a fun day. How many monkeys are there?
• 1:09:07
  How many monkey puppets? Did you have on set?
• 1:09:09
  Well, there's the water version of all the puppets.
• 1:09:13
  So I think there are 23 total of each of the fraggle five, so to
• 1:09:20
  Classic puppets, one water puppet, right.
• 1:09:24
  I think all that can also be a technically a stunt puppet.
• 1:09:27
  So right? I think so I'm not the official
• 1:09:30
  person to ask but from what I gather that's it.
• 1:09:33
  Yeah, so it's good to know. It's always interesting, the
• 1:09:36
  song ends and Wembley hiccups and everyone kind of gives them
• 1:09:40
  a look and he says, don't worry. It was just a one-er that's a
• 1:09:43
  nice little bit. Yeah, mokey apologizes to read
• 1:09:49
  for for trying to help her. I guess we're trying to teach
• 1:09:52
  her how to meditate She realizes that she just can't push read
• 1:09:57
  into meditation. It has to be her choice that she
• 1:09:59
  wants. This kind of help and you know,
• 1:10:01
  red explains like you know she's an action fraggle.
• 1:10:03
  This is how she clears her head and you know, she likes to dive
• 1:10:07
  headfirst yell will be hit the water and then just let
• 1:10:11
  everything disappear and mochi realizes like that.
• 1:10:14
  Actually does sound really peaceful.
• 1:10:16
  She didn't see it before and we get this great moment where read
• 1:10:21
  closes her eyes and she is pretending that she's swimming.
• 1:10:23
  You can Arms moving like, she's doing the brushstroke and they
• 1:10:28
  kind of do like a possible dream sharing that we've seen the
• 1:10:31
  fraggles do before. Or they can, you know, enter
• 1:10:34
  each other's dreams where Mochi and red are swimming underwater
• 1:10:38
  with the merkel's and it is very calm and peaceful, it's exactly
• 1:10:43
  what red describes and it's not something where suddenly red is
• 1:10:50
  basically doing a very quiet, peaceful meditation, it's still
• 1:10:52
  very active. But it's, you can also see how
• 1:10:57
  this could be her version of of a meditation and of a hard Focus
• 1:11:02
  for her. Absolutely, it is.
• 1:11:06
  And I love that the audience is seeing Reds version of
• 1:11:09
  meditation because they've already seen mokey's version,
• 1:11:12
  but this is what meditation is for.
• 1:11:14
  Read It Centers her it makes her calm and peaceful and and then
• 1:11:18
  you know Mochi comes into her world in in Reds point of view.
• 1:11:24
  You know, and that's why when you come back and you see them
• 1:11:27
  in their room, red is swimming, but monkey isn't because in
• 1:11:31
  mokey's version which we don't see, they are just, you know,
• 1:11:34
  possibly being still together. But yeah, I love that and that's
• 1:11:38
  just going back to the no two paths.
• 1:11:40
  This is this is Reds way of meditating and achieving that
• 1:11:44
  goal. If you will of being calm and
• 1:11:46
  peaceful and mokey's, version is a different path.
• 1:11:50
  So, yeah. That was beautiful.
• 1:11:52
  It's always tricky. Remember when we were shooting
• 1:11:54
  Underwater stuff. It's always tricky though.
• 1:11:56
  It's like, well, can you turn can Mochi turn around even more
• 1:11:59
  to see red like you can, but you're going to see this.
• 1:12:01
  You're going to see a blue bicep laughing, but a body soap.
• 1:12:05
  So that's when you see mokey's body.
• 1:12:08
  That's literally as far as I could turn without, huh?
• 1:12:11
  But I blocking her. But yeah, just one of the tricks
• 1:12:13
  about blue screen. Nothing blue can cross.
• 1:12:15
  The puppet. So already has to be behind so,
• 1:12:20
  but Jazz fun day with fans, making the making it look like
• 1:12:23
  water. Water cool.
• 1:12:25
  Yeah, but I thought it turned out beautifully.
• 1:12:27
  I was really really pleased with how it turned out when you film
• 1:12:31
  that scene. Was it done?
• 1:12:32
  Kind of the same way. It was we were talking about
• 1:12:34
  what the gorgs where you could see live the backgrounds and the
• 1:12:39
  water effects or was it just we're just shooting this on blue
• 1:12:42
  screen and someone's going to do the rest of it in post?
• 1:12:45
  Yeah that one was we did not to have the background so and that
• 1:12:50
  was a less complicated shot so I don't think we necessarily
• 1:12:53
  needed it. For what we had to do.
• 1:12:56
  So yeah, most of the time we did not have that it was really just
• 1:13:00
  for those super complicated ones where we needed to know where
• 1:13:04
  things were. Yeah.
• 1:13:06
  Yeah. Well that brings us to the end
• 1:13:08
  of this Fraggle. Rock episode.
• 1:13:10
  We're do you have any other memories from this one that you
• 1:13:12
  want to share or even something from another episode of back to
• 1:13:15
  the rock that we didn't get to? Oh gosh, I love those big
• 1:13:20
  question. Really, I mean, you know, I can
• 1:13:22
  just say that this Was the, I've been so lucky in my career but
• 1:13:28
  this is the show. That's just my absolute favorite
• 1:13:32
  where I think the reading the scripts and hearing those songs
• 1:13:36
  from Harvey, Alex. And Matt like the show is in
• 1:13:39
  such good hands, Johnny and Hallie just being dynamos and
• 1:13:44
  you know, making it happen and just the tone on set.
• 1:13:48
  The crew we had the cast, we had to me where everything was just
• 1:13:51
  great and you know, not 100% perfect.
• 1:13:54
  We're human and we have our our foibles and good days and bad
• 1:13:58
  days. But man, we just were just kind
• 1:14:00
  of annoyingly crazy about each other.
• 1:14:03
  So there was a whole lot of love under the frame.
• 1:14:06
  So I hope that that carries through.
• 1:14:09
  But we're all just so pleased with how it all turned out and
• 1:14:14
  loved the process. Love the product.
• 1:14:17
  Love the response and grateful to you guys, too, for for, for
• 1:14:22
  liking it, and promoting promoting, It?
• 1:14:24
  Well, you made it easy, you made a product that's very, very
• 1:14:28
  likable. Well you know it's a big few
• 1:14:31
  when when it the reviews are good and responses, good, so
• 1:14:36
  we're all yes super happy. Well, we are super happy that
• 1:14:41
  the show has really been as phenomenal as it is and as true
• 1:14:45
  to the original as it is, which was obviously very important to
• 1:14:48
  the the Diehard fans like us and we're really grateful for you.
• 1:14:54
  For being here, for being a part of this show for bringing so
• 1:14:57
  much life into Mochi and cotter pin and the rest of the cast,
• 1:15:01
  you're just doing a phenomenal job and we're going to keep our
• 1:15:04
  fingers crossed for more episodes and more fraggle stuff
• 1:15:08
  coming along but, but yes, but also thank you for being here on
• 1:15:11
  the podcast. It was just a treat to chat with
• 1:15:14
  you today. Well, thank you.
• 1:15:16
  It's my pleasure. Thank you.
• 1:15:19
  No good. Well that brings us to the end
• 1:15:22
  of another episode of Fraggle talk.
• 1:15:23
  But Stay tuned as tough pigs own.
• 1:15:26
  Beth cook talks more about the themes of this episode in our
• 1:15:29
  dive deeper segment coming up right now.
• 1:15:42
  Welcome to dig deeper. This is Beth cook and I am
• 1:15:45
  joined once again by executive producer and president
• 1:15:47
  television and the Jim Henson company Hallie Stanford.
• 1:15:50
  Wow, talking about Deep dive, Well we're going to do a deep
• 1:15:56
  dive into deep dive. Love this episode because really
• 1:16:00
  you know, one of the biggest tools and I think that we can
• 1:16:04
  all see it out there is meditation and for calming
• 1:16:10
  ourselves for connecting with ourselves.
• 1:16:13
  And what happens also, when we have to sit still and we don't
• 1:16:17
  want to sit still, I think actually I think that one so
• 1:16:21
  much harder and that's why this story is about red, having to
• 1:16:24
  sit still. And so I just love that what I
• 1:16:30
  Mochi has a lesson in this to but really what we're trying to
• 1:16:32
  teach here to kids and parents is different, people have
• 1:16:36
  different ways of relaxing and of finding their reset button.
• 1:16:45
  And so one way may not work for one person and another person,
• 1:16:51
  and they work a different way. So, I know that's true.
• 1:16:53
  Particularly for me, when it comes, Um's to meditation.
• 1:16:57
  I actually love medicham very Mochi in that sense, but then I
• 1:17:01
  have plenty of friends that they find great meditation.
• 1:17:05
  They cannot sit still, the thoughts are buzzing, they don't
• 1:17:08
  like it, but they feel it when they're playing sports when
• 1:17:11
  they're playing basketball there in a flow.
• 1:17:14
  Yes. And the stress is, you know,
• 1:17:17
  going, you know, going away when they do these things.
• 1:17:20
  So, yes, this is a story about red.
• 1:17:23
  You know, hurting herself and healing but Really at the heart
• 1:17:26
  of it, it's about how do we, how do we reset?
• 1:17:29
  How do we remove that? And this very, very anxious time
• 1:17:32
  that we live, you know, we all we all have like skinned her
• 1:17:36
  knee or, you know, have to slow down his per sec.
• 1:17:41
  But I also think we all need to recharge more than ever.
• 1:17:46
  It's a very anxious world. It's a lot of toxic stress
• 1:17:50
  globally and the workplace at home and so we all have to hit
• 1:17:54
  those reset buttons. And we may need to do it in a
• 1:17:56
  different way. Again, I love to hike, that
• 1:18:00
  really relaxes me. I think that my son thinks that
• 1:18:03
  hiking is is a punishment. He's like you're punishing me
• 1:18:07
  right now, like this is a punishment, how does he, how
• 1:18:11
  does he relaxed handball? And video games?
• 1:18:14
  That's it. He needs to go to his boy cave
• 1:18:16
  and just reset, and do that. And then, come on out and feel
• 1:18:19
  fresh. So we all have a different way
• 1:18:21
  of doing it. And that's really what this
• 1:18:23
  episode is about. Mmm, And I love that.
• 1:18:27
  It's so relatable that, both red and cotter.
• 1:18:30
  Pin are coming at this episode from a place of.
• 1:18:35
  I want to help there's so many problems and I just need to
• 1:18:39
  power through it, right? And it turns out at the end of
• 1:18:44
  the day that if you give yourself permission to rest that
• 1:18:50
  that can lead to New Perspectives, which can lead to
• 1:18:54
  new ideas and And you end up being more effective than if you
• 1:18:57
  had just kept trying to power through it.
• 1:18:59
  Yeah, I think that that conversation for her to take
• 1:19:02
  that, take that break, that came out of Jim Henson himself taking
• 1:19:08
  like walks when he needs to think and problem solve.
• 1:19:11
  I think we were like, yeah you know, everybody needs a
• 1:19:14
  different like break to come back and get that that light
• 1:19:17
  bulb and I'm I'm pretty sure that that's where that
• 1:19:20
  particular one came from. Like let's just like change what
• 1:19:22
  we're doing is change it up and come back.
• 1:19:25
  I think that was something that he did.
• 1:19:27
  So I'll have to confirm that with a fax, but I'm pretty sure
• 1:19:31
  I'm like accessing my memory when we were brainstorming
• 1:19:35
  different approaches to the same topic and I think that was some,
• 1:19:38
  I think that was a Lisa Henson share.
• 1:19:40
  Oh, I love that and wrench doozer.
• 1:19:43
  Gets this great line. Sometimes you got to put down
• 1:19:45
  your tools and come back later with fresh screws.
• 1:19:51
  It's amazing memory for lines. I have a memory for lives.
• 1:19:56
  I do it's all written down. This is in my notes.
• 1:19:59
  Oh my God. I love it.
• 1:20:00
  But it's so funny. It's so good.
• 1:20:02
  I'm telling you these writers are everything.
• 1:20:04
  They are everything. They're so great.
• 1:20:07
  Just wanted to say that. I love how the lesson in this
• 1:20:11
  episode goes. So many layers deep like red,
• 1:20:13
  learns it from mokey mokey learns it from Uber and Gobo and
• 1:20:17
  Wembley. They learn it by accident and
• 1:20:19
  cotter, pin learned it from wrench and it's just all
• 1:20:22
  connected in that great Fraggle Rock.
• 1:20:26
  I know I love it when I love the boys in that episode.
• 1:20:29
  They're very very funny in that episode very silly.
• 1:20:33
  You know some of the episodes had to be heavier than others.
• 1:20:36
  Right. Like this one was liked this.
• 1:20:39
  One was light and we had a lot of fun with that and you do have
• 1:20:44
  to have that balance. When you're mapping out show,
• 1:20:47
  you have your heavier episodes, like the Uber discovering his
• 1:20:51
  belubius close, and then you got to have your dirty dice.
• 1:20:57
  And I love that. We get to see visually both for
• 1:21:02
  Mochi and for read what relaxing looks like for them, we get
• 1:21:05
  these wonderful thought, bulbs for Mochi.
• 1:21:09
  And oh, here comes a thought and I acknowledge it and accept the
• 1:21:12
  message that it's bringing me and then it goes on its way, and
• 1:21:15
  Reggie's, can't do that. That's right.
• 1:21:18
  It's that it's that monkey mind, right?
• 1:21:19
  Like there's some kids and some people that are just like I
• 1:21:23
  can't I can't I don't know what to do with that and actually the
• 1:21:25
  real solution is just Just Let It Go.
• 1:21:27
  Like just it's here. You can see it.
• 1:21:30
  Let it have that chatter and then push it on but it's harder
• 1:21:34
  for her and it does smoking telling her just relax has the
• 1:21:37
  opposite effect and it has the opposite effect.
• 1:21:41
  I agree, I hate it. When people say that to me, who
• 1:21:43
  doesn't hate it? When somebody says, just come on
• 1:21:45
  and relax. You need to calm down.
• 1:21:47
  You need to calm down. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:21:51
  That doesn't work. Yep.
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