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Nurse Sydney Sutherland brutally abducted, raped, and killed while jogging near home · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a gorgeous young twenty five
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Speaker 1: year old nurse goes missing on her routine jog. What
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Speaker 1: happened to Sydney? What happened to Sydney? I'm Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
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Speaker 1: Sydney Sutherland, by twenty five year old mom and a
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Speaker 1: registered nurse, works at a medical center in Newport, Arkansas.
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Speaker 1: On the afternoon of August nineteenth, she goes for a jog,
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Speaker 1: something she does on a regular basis. Sidney even has
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Speaker 1: a regular route that she follows near her home. A
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Speaker 1: UPS driver reports seeing Sidney during her jog between two
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Speaker 1: thirty and three pm that afternoon, but I was the
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Speaker 1: last time anyone reports seeing her. Later that evening, a
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Speaker 1: call comes into authorities. Sydney Sutherland's car, keys, and other
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Speaker 1: belongings are at her house, but Sydney is gone. Guys again,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation.
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Speaker 1: In series XM one eleven, as I was listening to
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Speaker 1: Dave Macketcrime online dot Com, a million thoughts were cascading
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Speaker 1: through my mind, colliding from a regular route, she wrote
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Speaker 1: at the medical center. Did she have a routine time
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Speaker 1: that she jogged? When the UPS driver spotted her like
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Speaker 1: in school buses and other vehicles? Was their video? Can
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Speaker 1: we pinpoint the time she was spotted her car keys
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Speaker 1: at home? What does that mean? Was the car key
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Speaker 1: to her vehicle or her apartment with her somewhere? I
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Speaker 1: used to, and still do, put my car key or
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Speaker 1: the house key interwoven in my shoelaces when I go run.
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Speaker 1: Did she do that? What do each of these things mean?
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Speaker 1: If anything? With me an all star panel to break
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Speaker 1: it down and put it back together again. First of all,
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Speaker 1: renowned defense attorney practicing throw across the country, but joining
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Speaker 1: us today from New York. Jason Oceans, new York psychologist,
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Speaker 1: joining me from Manhattan. You know her well and you
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Speaker 1: can find her at Karen Stark dot com. Donald Schweitzer,
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Speaker 1: former LA detective I like that, criminal defense attorney, don't
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Speaker 1: like that? And you can find him at Pasadena Lawoffice
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Speaker 1: dot com. And he's now the star of an awesome
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Speaker 1: podcast called Exhibit A with Me. Death investigator Joseph Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: Professor forensics Jacksonville State University and author of Blood Beneath
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Speaker 1: My Feet on Amazon, now the star of a new program,
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Speaker 1: Poisonous Liaisons on True Crime Network. But first to Ray Kaputo,
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Speaker 1: lead news anchor for w DBO Orlando. Ray Kaputo, First
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Speaker 1: of all, what do we know about this beautiful girl?
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Speaker 1: You can see her photo at crime online dot com.
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Speaker 1: Sydney Sutherland. Well, Nancy, Sydney. She's twenty five years old.
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Speaker 1: She was as a homegrown Southern girl. She was a nurse.
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Speaker 1: She grew up not far from where she was living
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Speaker 1: at the time, went to Tucker Tuckerman High School. Basically
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Speaker 1: the way people describe her in the community, some of
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Speaker 1: her friends that everybody knew her. She was well liked,
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Speaker 1: her family was well liked. She had a boyfriend. I mean,
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Speaker 1: she was just a young young woman and you know,
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Speaker 1: doing her thing and going place. Now, how done you
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Speaker 1: said she? It was a far from where she lived.
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Speaker 1: Where does she live? She lived in Jackson County, Arkansas. Now,
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Speaker 1: if you're an urban dweller like myself, you might be
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Speaker 1: a little myth that they really like. She didn't even
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Speaker 1: have an address. You know, you hear the sheriff describing
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Speaker 1: where she lived. And it was on a road between
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Speaker 1: Grubs and Newport, And so she lived in a very
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Speaker 1: remote part of Arkansas, a lot of farmland. You know,
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Speaker 1: if you're ever flying above this in a clear day
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Speaker 1: and you look down and you see all these rectangular,
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Speaker 1: morizing patches of green and brown. I mean that's really
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Speaker 1: Jackson County where she lived, very rural, very like a
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Speaker 1: farming community, Jackson County, Arkansas. Where is that in Arkansas?
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Speaker 1: Do you know? Ray Kafuto's northeastern, Northeastern. I've been to
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Speaker 1: Little Rock a lot, but nowhere else. So you're saying
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Speaker 1: northeastern Arkansas mostly rural. Yeah, it's near Jonesboro. That where
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Speaker 1: Arkansas State University is. Ah. Okay, now wait wait, wait
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Speaker 1: wait how far is that from Arkansas State University? About
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Speaker 1: thirty forty minutes to look like on a map. Okay, see,
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Speaker 1: that's given me a whole pool of potential kidnappers. Now,
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Speaker 1: this gorgeous young girl, Sydney Sutherland, aged twenty five, really
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Speaker 1: beautiful lady, but also accomplished. She is a nurse, and
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Speaker 1: she was first reported missing when she failed to return
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Speaker 1: from an afternoon jog. Now curious and I thought about
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Speaker 1: this a lot as I was writing my knee book.
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Speaker 1: I just got the galley here it is, don't be
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Speaker 1: a victim, fighting back against America's crime wave, staying safe
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Speaker 1: while you're exercising. And what got this on my mind,
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Speaker 1: Jason notions, let me go to you because this is
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Speaker 1: in your neck of the woods. Was Karina Vatrono and
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Speaker 1: Molly Tibbitts. Karina Vatrono jogging and Long Island. She always
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Speaker 1: went jogging with her dad, who has now become a
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Speaker 1: friend of mine Field Vatranto and his beautiful wife. The
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Speaker 1: one day she didn't jo jog with her dad, who
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Speaker 1: had been a firefighter, she disappears. And that made me
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Speaker 1: curious about do you jog at the same time of
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Speaker 1: the day. Do you always take the same route? Do
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Speaker 1: you tell anybody you're going? If you always take the
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Speaker 1: same route, people start knowing when and where you're going
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Speaker 1: to jog and how to find you. Jason, do you
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Speaker 1: remember the Karna Vatranto case. I'm quite familiar with. It.
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Speaker 1: Took places that you know functionally Long Island, in the
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Speaker 1: in the section of Brooklyn and Queens where there's a
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Speaker 1: beautiful area by the water, natural right by the water
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Speaker 1: inlet from Jamaica Bay from the Atlantic Ocean. It's it's
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Speaker 1: quite beautiful to run. Um so I am. I am
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Speaker 1: familiar with the case, and you know and the end result.
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Speaker 1: And you raised the great questions all at once about
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Speaker 1: you know, the same time, and who you're with and
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Speaker 1: and kind of get known to somebody who's observing. You
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Speaker 1: talked about kidnapping. I mean, those are the things that
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Speaker 1: are telltale. And of course the consistency of where you
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Speaker 1: run and your route sees you on that route, that
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Speaker 1: could also be comforting. But yes, all those great questions
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Speaker 1: and what happened in the Koreana pa Toronto case when
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Speaker 1: Karina Koreina when she deviated from her regular routine with
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Speaker 1: her dad. And then there's Molly Tibbitts, who always ran
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Speaker 1: about the same time in the same location. Now interesting
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Speaker 1: in Karina Vatronto, the fact that she ran the same
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Speaker 1: place around the same time very often had nothing to
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Speaker 1: do with her kidnap. Her killer. He happened to be there,
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Speaker 1: Channel Lewis. He happened to be there. He had been
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Speaker 1: in the neighborhood before, trying to break into houses. He
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Speaker 1: happened to be there and see her and go into
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Speaker 1: some rage. You know, Donald Schweitzer, former LA detective now
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Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney at Pasadena Law Office dot com. Donald,
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Speaker 1: when you look, when you examine the scenario, the same place,
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Speaker 1: same time, every day runs like clock work. That actually
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Speaker 1: makes it easier to identify a suspect, because you think
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Speaker 1: who's in that area, Like the ups guy always drives
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Speaker 1: that area, like neighbors, people that are delivering back and
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Speaker 1: forth there, Maybe a bus goes by, maybe she passes
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Speaker 1: a particular grocery store. What's even harder, Donald, And you
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Speaker 1: explain why it's when it's random. Yeah, you know, in
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Speaker 1: this particular case, she's in a farming community and the
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Speaker 1: population is small. Everybody knows that you know each other,
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Speaker 1: and it is more difficult because then you've got a
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Speaker 1: database of you know, large communities, you know, possibly the state.
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Speaker 1: You know. Uh, if it's random, you have to go
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Speaker 1: on physical evidence and near mean not tied to DNA
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Speaker 1: or anything like that. Yeah, so Donald Schwitzer is right,
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Speaker 1: much more difficult when it's random. Would you agree or disagree?
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, Yeah, yeah, it is. It is so
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Speaker 1: much more, particularly when you have a large population base
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Speaker 1: to choose from. But you know an answer, I gotta
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Speaker 1: tell you. In this particular case, we're talking about cotton country.
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Speaker 1: That's that's where this happened. This is part of the
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Speaker 1: Mississippi Delta region for farming. And I've been to this area.
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Speaker 1: I have generals of family that actually lived just south
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Speaker 1: of this area. And when you stand it's not like
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Speaker 1: standing in a mountainous region. When you look out over
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Speaker 1: this area and you're flat footed, you can see for
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Speaker 1: miles and miles and miles and miles of nothing but fields,
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Speaker 1: and you know this area where she was jogging, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: These are not improved roads necessarily. They're actually referred to
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Speaker 1: as county roads. And she was on one called forty
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Speaker 1: one when she was last seen, and intersected with a
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Speaker 1: state highway which was eighteen. But again, these are only
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Speaker 1: two lane roads. Listen, this is not a place you
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Speaker 1: wind up in by accident. You have to be purposed,
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Speaker 1: you have to be you have to know the area
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Speaker 1: in order to wind up there. Climb stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Guys are talking about Sydney Sutherland, just twenty five years old,
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Speaker 1: gorgeous young girl, already had her nursing degree, already working
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Speaker 1: at a very vibrant medical center. Her boyfriend also in
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Speaker 1: the medical profession. Take a listen to our friend. Jackson
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Speaker 1: County Sheriff David Lucas. We were singer call yesterday afternoon
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Speaker 1: late that Sydney Sotomon was missing. We started out and
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Speaker 1: got to scene and we've been working pretty much all night.
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Speaker 1: We did finally break it down about two o'clock this
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Speaker 1: morning just for safety concerns because of the darkness. Got
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Speaker 1: started back this morning. Between seven thirty and eight. We've
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Speaker 1: had multiple agencies show up an offer assistance. We've had
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Speaker 1: Jonesboro PD, Truman PD, Newport PD, Tuckerman State please US
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Speaker 1: Marshall's FBI pretty much the whole game, and they're currently
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Speaker 1: on scene right now helping out with that. We're looking
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Speaker 1: at not only on the ground. We've had air searches
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Speaker 1: also from Survival Flight out of Baseball. They brought two
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Speaker 1: helicopters over this morning. Arsas State Police brought their chopper
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Speaker 1: out last night and again this morning. They're currently flying
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Speaker 1: grid and searches. Now I'm gonna go into what is
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Speaker 1: a grid search, but all of this is about twenty
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Speaker 1: five year old missing Sydney Sutherland to you, Karen start
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Speaker 1: New York Psychologists joining us. You can find it, Karen,
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Speaker 1: start with ThEC dot com. Karen. The fact that she
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Speaker 1: works at a very, very busy medical center. Now, yes,
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Speaker 1: she lived and was running out in a very rural area.
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Speaker 1: But as you just heard, I believe it was Ray
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Speaker 1: Kaputo telling us from w DBO that there was a
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Speaker 1: university nearby. That means a college town, and she worked
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Speaker 1: today medical center. And even though it's rural, the medical
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Speaker 1: center doesn't mean that doesn't mean that it is small
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Speaker 1: because for instance, where I grew up, everybody in Middle
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Speaker 1: Georgia would come to those two hospitals. So while it's
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Speaker 1: in a rural area, it services a huge swath of country.
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Speaker 1: So that means that's a big medical center. Let me
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Speaker 1: ask you what does that mean for the search for
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Speaker 1: who took her? That she works at a big medical center.
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Speaker 1: It makes it a lot more complicated, which is what
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Speaker 1: I think you're pointing out, Nancy, because there instead of
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Speaker 1: we're only talking about a small town, you have to
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Speaker 1: consider them a lot of people that are coming from
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Speaker 1: different places. And the reason that's important is there's a
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Speaker 1: possibility that somebody had a fixation on her, that they
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Speaker 1: really were after her, they were looking at her, they
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Speaker 1: were watching her. And then you take that and you
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Speaker 1: add it to the same route every day, the same time,
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Speaker 1: and it makes it a lot easier for something horrific
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Speaker 1: to happen to this particular woman, which is terrible. And
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Speaker 1: you know I address that in this book. And this
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Speaker 1: took me so long to research and write because Karen, actually,
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Speaker 1: you guys, several of you joining me today, we're on
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Speaker 1: the cases with me that we investigated and tried to solve.
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Speaker 1: A lot of them are the ones I tried and investigated.
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Speaker 1: Many of them are the ones I covered where people
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Speaker 1: go out at the same time, take the same route.
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Speaker 1: They're basically begging, hey, notice me here. I am. You
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Speaker 1: can find me so easily because it happens. On the
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Speaker 1: other hand, for our lives, for instance, when I get
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Speaker 1: through with work, or before I picked the twins up
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Speaker 1: from school, or while supper is on the stove, that's
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Speaker 1: a time when you have a forty five minute segment
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Speaker 1: where you can go exercise, preferably outside. So what are
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Speaker 1: we supposed to do stop our lives, Karen, start because
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Speaker 1: there might be somehow of out there. I mean, this
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Speaker 1: woman weren't like a dog as a nurse, so what
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Speaker 1: is she supposed to do? Be hyper vigilant Nancy. I
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Speaker 1: think that it's really important if you're somebody who's in
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Speaker 1: a situation like that. And I hate to say it,
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Speaker 1: but it's really true. When you're wearing exercise classes exercise clothes,
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Speaker 1: that's appealing. It makes you stand out. If you're a
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Speaker 1: young woman, you need you know what, Karen Stark, I
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Speaker 1: never thought I would hear that from you. What do
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Speaker 1: you want me to wear a burk cup while I
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Speaker 1: try to run up a hill? Hyper vigilant Nancy hyper.
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying we change what you wear understaying, well,
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Speaker 1: what were are you saying? Name? Karen Stark? Don't don't
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Speaker 1: have your headphones on so that you can You were
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Speaker 1: talking about what you wear? Well, that's just I wasn't
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Speaker 1: saying don't wear it. It's like a beacon. It shows
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Speaker 1: a young woman, it shows her body, so she has
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Speaker 1: to be especially careful. She needs to know there, well,
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Speaker 1: you know what, You're right that she has to be
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Speaker 1: especially careful and being careful she took with her I
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Speaker 1: believe her iPhone to Ray Kaputo, it's my understanding that
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Speaker 1: she took her iPhone and was wearing an Apple Watch.
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Speaker 1: Is that right, Ray Kaputo, WDBO Orlando. Yeah, Nancy, she
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Speaker 1: had both of those devices on and both of them
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Speaker 1: have the ability to track GPS location to gather geo
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Speaker 1: locational data, and so that's a really good thing that
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Speaker 1: she did have both of those devices on. And as
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Speaker 1: a matter of fact, take a listen to our new friend,
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Speaker 1: Jackson County Sheriff David Lucas. We have the only thing
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Speaker 1: we know of right now is we have a confirmed
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Speaker 1: sighting of her at around between two thirty and three
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Speaker 1: o'clock yesterday afternoon in the area of Jackson County Road
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Speaker 1: forty one, which is just north and kind of west
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Speaker 1: of her residents. She was on foot out walking and jogging.
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Speaker 1: We received that information from a UPS driver this morning
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Speaker 1: that saw her. We're kind of concentrating on that general
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Speaker 1: area because with the phone pings that we've been getting
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Speaker 1: from AT and T, plus the information from the people
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Speaker 1: that said they saw her, it's pretty much going to
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Speaker 1: be in that general area and that's where we're concentrating
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Speaker 1: the most right now. We're not ruling anything out. Okay,
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Speaker 1: let me understand this about the ups driver, do you guys,
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Speaker 1: Jason Oceans again? A lot of crime in your neck
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Speaker 1: of the woods. The missing Connecticut mom of five Jennifer
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Speaker 1: Dulos and the search for the truth about her husband,
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Speaker 1: Fotus Dulos, killing her and the girlfriend his lover, Michel Chikone,
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Speaker 1: is being part of the scheme. I was looking at
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Speaker 1: how the police and investigators pieced together the husband's route
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Speaker 1: the morning she goes missing after dropping her children off
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Speaker 1: at eight am at school. Man. They had it down.
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Speaker 1: They had video at the school. They had video bit
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Speaker 1: from businesses as his car would go by going to
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Speaker 1: her place where she was then leaving. They even had
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Speaker 1: school bus video as bus video I think it was
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Speaker 1: school bus when the doors opened, videos showed Bonus Dulos
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Speaker 1: going by in his car. I was amazed at the
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Speaker 1: way they pieced together his travel out that morning ending
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Speaker 1: up as I recall at a guest at a car
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Speaker 1: wash where he was trying to clean his car out right,
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Speaker 1: It wasn't, it wasn't. It was a full real Nancy.
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Speaker 1: It was pretty amazing. Oh, it was incredible, outstanding. I
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Speaker 1: mean they literally almost had like new Gap. I'm in
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Speaker 1: there so small when they picked it up. So I'm
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Speaker 1: wondering about this UPS driver. Hey Jack, look that up.
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Speaker 1: Whether UPS drivers have video cams in their cars, that
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Speaker 1: is pretty sensational If they do, yeah, front mounted, you know,
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Speaker 1: for litigation purposes in car accidents or inside yep, exactly, Well,
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Speaker 1: it's it's it's smart to do, and you know you
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Speaker 1: do look in a more rural area. And pretty awesome
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Speaker 1: that that UPS driver took notice of that. I kind
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Speaker 1: of think maybe some of them do in more urban
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Speaker 1: areas where accidents more prevalent as opposed to a rural area,
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Speaker 1: just like having CCTV. I mean, think about it. Just
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Speaker 1: got Morgan, Professor Forensics. When I go jogging, I see
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Speaker 1: the same people every time, especially the ones coming toward
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Speaker 1: me walking or running or walking the same dog, are
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Speaker 1: with the same children. I feel like I know them,
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Speaker 1: although I don't know all their names, not as usual procedures,
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Speaker 1: so they don't have videos. So he must have identified
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Speaker 1: her by seeing her, right, Joe Scott, of course he did. Nancy,
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Speaker 1: more than likely, this is this guy's common route. I
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Speaker 1: would even venture to say that he's probably delivered to
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Speaker 1: her residence. At some point in tom These guys don't
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Speaker 1: bury their routes, particularly in these rural areas. And you know, look,
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Speaker 1: he sees her jogging. Like I said earlier, this is
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Speaker 1: a county road. It's narrow. He has to physically probably
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Speaker 1: drive drive around her to stay clear of her so
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Speaker 1: he doesn't hit her. He's probably seen her. A number
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Speaker 1: of crime stories with Nancy Grace, guys are talking about
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Speaker 1: a beautiful missing woman. Sydney Southerland is twenty five years old,
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Speaker 1: already an accomplished nurse with an awesome out jogging. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our new friend, Jackson County Sheriff David Lucas.
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Speaker 1: She normally goes out for a walk and she walks
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Speaker 1: a certain area out there and kind of makes a loop.
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Speaker 1: And that's what she was doing yesterday. That's what we're
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Speaker 1: reported to us. So forty one, forty two, forty three
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Speaker 1: Highway eighteen. That kind of that general loop right there
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Speaker 1: is where she normally walks. What was her family situation?
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Speaker 1: Her and her I believe it's her boyfriend lived together
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Speaker 1: there at the house. We have no indications of any problems.
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Speaker 1: We've been in communication with him and her mom and
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Speaker 1: her brother and her dad, and all indications that we're
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Speaker 1: getting is the family situation is fine. Um, they've they've
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Speaker 1: been out every second with us, So we really don't.
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Speaker 1: We don't. We're not looking at that as far as
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Speaker 1: of course, we're not going to rule anything out. You know, what,
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Speaker 1: why is it you're in Stark that we always look
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Speaker 1: at they live in, the boyfriend, the fiance, the husband first. Well,
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Speaker 1: that's pretty clear, Nancy. It's usually turns out statistically that
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Speaker 1: it's the person who is closest to the distom that
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Speaker 1: you want to invest the gate because it usually isn't
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Speaker 1: a stranger. As much as we might imagine that there's
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Speaker 1: this unknown person coming out of nowhere. Many times it's
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Speaker 1: the person that they know best or somebody around them,
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Speaker 1: and that's why they're looking into that. What about it,
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Speaker 1: Donald Schweitzer? Why always look at they live in or
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Speaker 1: the love inches first? Yeah? I think that statistically it
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Speaker 1: is true that most of the time that's you know,
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Speaker 1: we're to look you know, that's uh where you're going
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Speaker 1: to find the suspect. But I think there's other areas
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Speaker 1: to look too, and that is is the sexual predator databases.
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Speaker 1: If they have such in this world area. I'm certain
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Speaker 1: that they do, because they these predators exist everywhere. So
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Speaker 1: I only looking at the immediate family members and in
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Speaker 1: the boyfriend or anybody else that might be a logical
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Speaker 1: place to look, a real good place to look to
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Speaker 1: see if there's anybody in the area that's had encounters
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Speaker 1: with the police or who has been stopped, you know,
22:14
Speaker 1: hanging out, you know where they shouldn't hang out, and
22:16
Speaker 1: you know, trying to find people like that. You know what,
22:19
Speaker 1: That's a really good point, Donald Schwitzer. And I'm trying
22:22
Speaker 1: to remember the details of a case we cover. Maybe
22:26
Speaker 1: you guys will remember it. For me, I always called
22:29
Speaker 1: her the girl in the pink hat. It was Jessica Lunsford,
22:32
Speaker 1: That's who it was, and she went missing. It turned
22:37
Speaker 1: out a registered sex offender lived caddy corner from the family,
22:41
Speaker 1: but nobody knew he was a registered sex offender, and
22:45
Speaker 1: he took the little girl and murdered her. Her dad,
22:48
Speaker 1: Martin Lunsford, to this day broken up about it horribly.
22:53
Speaker 1: You're so right, and many would argue defense attorneys like
22:58
Speaker 1: yourself Donald Schwitz may argue, well, you're stereotyping. Oh h
23:03
Speaker 1: double l. No, I'm not, because when you don't know
23:06
Speaker 1: a horse, you say they're as hell a good track record.
23:11
Speaker 1: You got a registered sex offender, and isn't it true?
23:13
Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, Donald Schwitzer pointing out it's a great
23:16
Speaker 1: place to look. Once you look at boyfriend, lover, husband
23:19
Speaker 1: x registered sex offenders. You can go to crime online
23:22
Speaker 1: dot com and hit our predator map and see your
23:26
Speaker 1: zip code and see how many sex predators registered are
23:30
Speaker 1: in your zip code? Joe Scott Morgan. Isn't the stats
23:34
Speaker 1: something like every time a predator is caught, they've already
23:39
Speaker 1: offended about a hundred times that we think that we
23:42
Speaker 1: know of. Yeah, and they continue to, you know, to
23:46
Speaker 1: perpetrate even after they've been interdicted by law enforcement over
23:51
Speaker 1: and over again. There's another group of people that you
23:53
Speaker 1: have to consider here, Nancy. One of the key things
23:55
Speaker 1: that you brought up is the fact that this this
23:58
Speaker 1: young lady is a nurse, and nurses deal in a
24:01
Speaker 1: very critical area. You have to understand also in law enforcement,
24:04
Speaker 1: they're gonna want to look into her background at the hospital.
24:07
Speaker 1: What area does she practice in? Is she an emergency
24:10
Speaker 1: room nurse, is she a psychiatric nurse? Is she on
24:13
Speaker 1: a met surge or is she a surgical nurse? Who
24:15
Speaker 1: really knows, But who did she come in contact with?
24:18
Speaker 1: Was somebody did she if she's an ear nurse, for instance, Nancy,
24:23
Speaker 1: you know who passed through those doors? Did she exact
24:25
Speaker 1: body angry this sort of thing. You got to look
24:27
Speaker 1: at that as well. Or did somebody get a crush
24:30
Speaker 1: on her and then suddenly a crack in the case.
24:35
Speaker 1: Take a listen to Hunter or Hogeland, kar k four knees.
24:39
Speaker 1: They recovered Sutherland's phone about a quarter mile from her
24:42
Speaker 1: home earlier today. Now I talked to friends of the
24:44
Speaker 1: family who say this whole thing has them searching for
24:46
Speaker 1: answers as the sun sets. The clock is ticking. We'll
24:52
Speaker 1: never stop searching. No one has seen or heard from
24:55
Speaker 1: Sydney Sutherland in more than a day after she went
24:57
Speaker 1: running down this road, leaving behind pay at the cross roads.
25:01
Speaker 1: We're just really from eyes and the sky to eyes
25:06
Speaker 1: on the ground. Felicia Drake is searching for the girls
25:10
Speaker 1: she watched grow up. It was just devastating. I just
25:14
Speaker 1: thought about her mother and how, you know, how she felt,
25:18
Speaker 1: and how it would be awful and you know, not
25:20
Speaker 1: to be able to find your daughter. Everybody obviously everybody
25:23
Speaker 1: loves her. I mean, you can tell about all the
25:25
Speaker 1: people that's outlooking for her. Sutherland five three brown eyes,
25:28
Speaker 1: blonde hair, was wearing this when she vanished in the
25:31
Speaker 1: middle of the afternoon. You're definitely gonna be looking over
25:34
Speaker 1: your shoulder everywhere you go and not going anywhere alone anymore.
25:39
Speaker 1: Volunteers working around the clock saying they'll never quit looking
25:42
Speaker 1: until Sydney Sutherland finds the road that leads back home.
25:45
Speaker 1: We're just more founder guys. That helps. Anna hurts because
25:53
Speaker 1: out to you, Donald Schweitzer, a former LA detective now
25:57
Speaker 1: defense attorney Jonald Schweitzer, to find her cell phone. It
26:04
Speaker 1: hurts because if she still had it with her and
26:06
Speaker 1: it was turned on, you could ping to her. But
26:08
Speaker 1: it helps to show that most likely that is where
26:13
Speaker 1: she was kidnapped, unless the scene was staged, unless someone
26:19
Speaker 1: took her and threw her cell phone out. How likely
26:23
Speaker 1: is that in this scenario that it was staged. Well,
26:27
Speaker 1: you never know. I mean I think that we would
26:29
Speaker 1: be completely speculating if we felt that we knew that
26:32
Speaker 1: the answer to that question. But if I were on
26:36
Speaker 1: the scene, I would be hoping and praying that we
26:38
Speaker 1: found where it had happened, because then you know, we
26:41
Speaker 1: have possibly, you know, the time, the phone might have
26:45
Speaker 1: some type of a record as to the time that
26:48
Speaker 1: had happened. And you know, you indicated earlier that there
26:51
Speaker 1: was an Apple Watch. Yeah, you know. And I don't
26:54
Speaker 1: know if they found it at the scene. Probably not.
26:57
Speaker 1: And I'm just wondering if the phone is still connected
27:00
Speaker 1: somehow to the Apple Watch, right, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.
27:05
Speaker 1: You're right, Donald Schweitzer, into you, Joseph Scott Morgan. The
27:09
Speaker 1: fact that her phone was left there. I believe you
27:12
Speaker 1: can look at a phone, like if we have Life
27:15
Speaker 1: three to sixty, and I can tell where everybody's phone
27:18
Speaker 1: is and how long it's been there, you know, in
27:20
Speaker 1: the perfect world, so you could tell how long the
27:23
Speaker 1: phone had been laying there. Now, very often we see
27:29
Speaker 1: where the scene has been staged. That means it's somebody
27:32
Speaker 1: connected to her. A random killer doesn't bother to stage
27:35
Speaker 1: the scene. But I have seen cases where the person
27:40
Speaker 1: is kidnapped and the phone is thrown out somewhere. I
27:44
Speaker 1: don't think that's likely here, because she was going out
27:47
Speaker 1: to run and she had on her jagging clothes. I mean,
27:50
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, Joe Scott, Ray Kaputo, I'm looking
27:53
Speaker 1: at a photo that the family shared. It's from ring
27:56
Speaker 1: footage from a family member believed to be the last
28:00
Speaker 1: photo taken of Sydney, just ninety minutes before she went
28:03
Speaker 1: for her run. She has on it looks like a
28:06
Speaker 1: jogging bra with a white tank top over it, and
28:10
Speaker 1: blue jogging pants and pink shoes. With her hair back.
28:15
Speaker 1: That tells me this was at stage she had on
28:19
Speaker 1: running clothes and the phone was found on a regular
28:22
Speaker 1: running route. What about it, Joe Scott, Well, I have
28:28
Speaker 1: to say, Nancy, you know what Don was saying just
28:31
Speaker 1: a month ago about the watch and the phone being
28:34
Speaker 1: tethered together. I think that's kind of interesting. If the
28:37
Speaker 1: phone was just laying there, he gives us an indication
28:40
Speaker 1: that maybe she was just suddenly snatched off of the road.
28:43
Speaker 1: And one more thing I'd like to bring to your
28:46
Speaker 1: attention here is the fact that if in fact, she
28:49
Speaker 1: was using her phone as say, for a media device
28:52
Speaker 1: where she's listening as she's jogging, she's not even gonna
28:55
Speaker 1: have an awareness that anybody's coming up on her. I
28:57
Speaker 1: use my phone all the time when I work out,
28:59
Speaker 1: I can't hear under while I have the things in
29:01
Speaker 1: my ears, so that might also come into places. Yeah,
29:04
Speaker 1: why do you keep doing it, Joe Scott, because I
29:07
Speaker 1: exercise inside of my house. Nancy, but you may not
29:12
Speaker 1: be able to hear your wife creeping up behind you
29:14
Speaker 1: with a frying pan. I'm just saying, guys, we're talking
29:19
Speaker 1: about the disappearance of a beautiful young girl, beautiful Sydney Sutherland,
29:24
Speaker 1: who dedicated her life to helping other people as a
29:27
Speaker 1: registered nurse. Then the investigation in the past hours has
29:35
Speaker 1: just taken a turn. Take a listen to our friend
29:42
Speaker 1: Katie Woodall, a kai Region eight News Cut nine those
29:48
Speaker 1: close to Sydney confirming just a few minutes ago that
29:51
Speaker 1: the body discovered today was hers. This is coming from
29:54
Speaker 1: Sydney's boyfriend's parents. They said the family was told the
29:58
Speaker 1: body discovered today it was Sydney's Crime Stories with Nancy Grace,
30:15
Speaker 1: the News just confirmed in the last hours that the
30:19
Speaker 1: body of Sydney Sutherland has been found. Even more disturbing,
30:27
Speaker 1: CoP's discover that she had been working out at a
30:31
Speaker 1: Jonesboro gym earlier that day. So now they have a
30:36
Speaker 1: new line of investigation. Did someone see her at the
30:44
Speaker 1: gym and follow her, you know, Ray Kaputo, Lead news
30:50
Speaker 1: anchor WDBO Orlando, as Joe Scott Morgan said, this is
30:58
Speaker 1: in the middle of hundreds of miles of cotton farms
31:04
Speaker 1: and other farms. The purp could have come from anywhere
31:09
Speaker 1: and gone anywhere. So now we have to look at
31:14
Speaker 1: forensic possibilities. What do we know about the discovery of
31:20
Speaker 1: Sydney's body, Well, Nancy, it was found really not far
31:24
Speaker 1: from where she lived, a big less than about a
31:27
Speaker 1: quarter of a mile and in the vicinity of where
31:30
Speaker 1: her cell phone was. We know that investigators had started
31:33
Speaker 1: honing in very early on on this in this area.
31:36
Speaker 1: And it wasn't just deputies of law enforcement. We had
31:39
Speaker 1: people out from the community and ATVs of helicopters as
31:43
Speaker 1: you heard. So they ended up finding her body. It
31:47
Speaker 1: was buried and she was strangled, she was beaten, and
31:51
Speaker 1: there was a sexual assault that had taken place and
31:54
Speaker 1: it was all about a quarter mile well an whit
31:57
Speaker 1: minute strangled baiting, sex assault. This reminds me so much
32:03
Speaker 1: of Teresa Halbach, the amateur well professional photographer who was
32:09
Speaker 1: working for a penny Pincher type magazine. Who was murdered,
32:14
Speaker 1: was raped, murdered, burned by Stephen Avery. It went on
32:22
Speaker 1: to be a media darling when people suggested he and
32:28
Speaker 1: his nephew did not do the crime. That tells me
32:34
Speaker 1: a lot, Joseph Scott Morgan, she's sex assaulted, raped, strangled.
32:43
Speaker 1: What does that tell you about the identity of the killer?
32:48
Speaker 1: He knew or Nancy had been in her, in her circle.
32:51
Speaker 1: I have to assume that. And also he buried her body,
32:56
Speaker 1: so that means he took He took a lot of time, Nancy.
32:58
Speaker 1: It takes time. This is somebody that was comfortable with
33:01
Speaker 1: the environment, had the ability, had the tools at hand.
33:04
Speaker 1: He has to have a shovel or something to dig
33:06
Speaker 1: the hole with, and he has to feel comfortable in
33:08
Speaker 1: the environment in which he did this. So this is
33:10
Speaker 1: a very intimate type of event that went on, obviously
33:14
Speaker 1: because it's a sexual assault. But this person knew her, Yes,
33:18
Speaker 1: this person knew her. Agree or disagree, Jason Oshan is
33:21
Speaker 1: joining us out of New York knew her or did
33:24
Speaker 1: not know her, based on the degree the killer went
33:30
Speaker 1: to to hide her body. Now, this was planned and
33:37
Speaker 1: purposeful in every rich way. Just as mentioned, intimate with
33:42
Speaker 1: the area and knowledge, the tools all prepared a very
33:47
Speaker 1: very violent intimate act. How do you determine a cause
33:51
Speaker 1: of death? So at autopsy, one of the things that's
33:54
Speaker 1: going to happen is as the body is opened and
33:57
Speaker 1: you use the tools to kind of reflect the neck
34:00
Speaker 1: or open up the neck, you will you're going to
34:04
Speaker 1: see focal areas of hemorrhage. That that's a spotty areas
34:07
Speaker 1: of hemorrhage that you're going to have in these muscles
34:10
Speaker 1: along the windpipe, and that's going to give you an
34:12
Speaker 1: indication there was pressure applied, a enough pressure, enough pressure
34:17
Speaker 1: in order to render a hemorrhage in that area. And
34:20
Speaker 1: also one of the things, if the eyes were not destroyed,
34:22
Speaker 1: and I hate to be this graphic, you might also
34:24
Speaker 1: see particular hemorrhages which most of the time are associated
34:28
Speaker 1: with the sixty old deaths as well. The body city
34:31
Speaker 1: Sutherland found she had been raped and strangled. Ray Kapeter
34:38
Speaker 1: joining me, lead news anchor WDBO or Orlando. Where again
34:43
Speaker 1: did you tell me her body was discovered? Her body
34:45
Speaker 1: was discovered in a field as about a quarter of
34:48
Speaker 1: a mile from her home and also a quarter of
34:50
Speaker 1: a mile from I believe it's Root sixty seven or
34:53
Speaker 1: Tyroade sixties, one of those big highways that kind of
34:56
Speaker 1: cuts diagonal through the county. But I mean, long story shortage,
34:59
Speaker 1: there wasn't a lot of people that lived around here,
35:02
Speaker 1: so there wasn't a lot of people to see things.
35:04
Speaker 1: In fact, I don't want to sound ominous, but if
35:07
Speaker 1: Sydney was screaming at the top of her lungs when
35:10
Speaker 1: all this happened, there's a good chance that not a
35:12
Speaker 1: single soul herder aside from the person attacking her. And
35:15
Speaker 1: then a development in the case in the last hours.
35:18
Speaker 1: Take a listen to this the sheriff confirming just a
35:21
Speaker 1: short while ago that the suspect is in custody. Who's
35:25
Speaker 1: the suspect's name has not been released, but we can
35:27
Speaker 1: confirm that the suspect is a man, that he's a farmer,
35:31
Speaker 1: and that he's from the Jonesboro area. The arrest coming
35:34
Speaker 1: after more than two days of searching for twenty five
35:36
Speaker 1: year old Sydney Sutherland. Now, going back to some video
35:40
Speaker 1: that we captured earlier tonight, this is believed to be
35:43
Speaker 1: the scene of where the twenty five year old's body
35:45
Speaker 1: was found which is a little north of Sutherland's home.
35:49
Speaker 1: We locked down that entire area. Everything was calmed for evidence.
35:56
Speaker 1: As far as what evidence was discovered and where, I
36:00
Speaker 1: can't really elaborate, but the whole area. We shut it
36:03
Speaker 1: down and locked it down. The sheriff says the man
36:05
Speaker 1: has been booked and will face some kind of homicide charge.
36:09
Speaker 1: A suspect in custody. But who take a listen to
36:13
Speaker 1: Mitch McCoy Fox sixteen News. An Arkansas State Police special
36:16
Speaker 1: agent testified today that Quick Luwellen apparently confessed to investigators
36:22
Speaker 1: that he had killed her and then led investigators to
36:26
Speaker 1: her body. He was wearing a bulletproof vest when he
36:29
Speaker 1: was taken into the Jackson County Courthouse. Take a listen,
36:32
Speaker 1: Did you have anything to say? Did you kill Sydney Sutherland?
36:40
Speaker 1: Come on. During the hearing, authorities testified that Llewellyn was
36:45
Speaker 1: driving on County Road forty one, saw Sydney Sutherland walking
36:49
Speaker 1: and drove by. Investigators say he turned around, abducted her,
36:55
Speaker 1: and put her in the back of a pickup truck,
36:58
Speaker 1: and sexually assaulted her. State least saying that Llewellyn then
37:01
Speaker 1: buried the body on a farm I asked the prosecutors
37:05
Speaker 1: if he plans on pursuing the death penalty. I think
37:10
Speaker 1: it's premature to declare what the state's direction will be
37:15
Speaker 1: on that capital murder only carries two punishments, that's life
37:19
Speaker 1: without and death, and at this point both are still
37:23
Speaker 1: on the table. Straight back at you. Ray Kaputo, lead
37:26
Speaker 1: news anchor for WDBO Orlando. Is it true that the
37:31
Speaker 1: alleged killer was named in the farming family of the Year.
37:40
Speaker 1: That's correct. The Jackson County a family Farming of the Year.
37:44
Speaker 1: I believe it was twenty sixteen. It was a well
37:46
Speaker 1: known family of farmers, and Quake was a third generation farmer.
37:51
Speaker 1: Even though he worked for the family gnently, he did
37:53
Speaker 1: have his own farmers, A guy who knew the farm
37:56
Speaker 1: land well. He knew the geography well in the area too,
38:00
Speaker 1: Jess got Morgan. Are you surprised, No, not at all.
38:05
Speaker 1: In a small community like this, these people admit Nancy,
38:09
Speaker 1: trust me, he knows her, He's seen her. A matter
38:11
Speaker 1: of fact, he's probably driven by while she's out on
38:14
Speaker 1: her you know, daily walk or run. That's when he
38:18
Speaker 1: noticed her. I'm sure she probably does this like clockwork.
38:21
Speaker 1: Nancy and he's driven by, he's seen her. They probably
38:24
Speaker 1: grew up together, moved around the same circles in rural communities.
38:27
Speaker 1: You do that, and that's what happened here. That's how
38:30
Speaker 1: you identify Karen Steart New York psychologists joining us from Manhattan.
38:34
Speaker 1: How is it, Karen, what triggers in the mind? You
38:38
Speaker 1: see someone growing up, probably going to the same high
38:41
Speaker 1: schools together, see her jogging every day, and that one
38:46
Speaker 1: day you decide to kill her. Well, I don't believe
38:49
Speaker 1: it's just one day, Nancy. I feel like this guy
38:52
Speaker 1: had an obsession. He was obsessed with her. He imagined
38:57
Speaker 1: this whole scenario. It was something thing that he played
39:00
Speaker 1: out repeatedly, particularly since we know this was her root.
39:04
Speaker 1: This is what she did, and so it's no surprise
39:08
Speaker 1: to me that one day he could not hold back
39:12
Speaker 1: anymore and decided that this is what he was going
39:14
Speaker 1: to do. It was all there in his head. There
39:17
Speaker 1: was nothing that, in my opinion, was spontaneous about this.
39:21
Speaker 1: So while it may seem spontaneous, he was just driving
39:24
Speaker 1: by and abducted her suddenly, when Karen Stark explains it
39:28
Speaker 1: that way, it's not spontaneous at all. We wait, as
39:33
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