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Shahin Hassan: Resilience and Authenticity in the Face of Pressure · The BEYOND Podcast

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  Unknown: Shane, welcome to be on the Boardroom podcast.
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  Thank you. No need to be nervous.
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  Yeah, I promise.
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  I promise I don't bite.
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  This is just easy.
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  It's about your life, it's about your experience in The Apprentice.
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  So I'm not asking anything terribly controversial.
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  And also outta the apprentice candidates.
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  You are not one of the ones that have something shall I
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  say, dark or secretive or very controversial or anything like that.
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  You are a lovely, hardworking person.
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  Yes, you are on the show and everything, but you're a really nice guy and
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  it's difficult to find dirt on you.
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  So there to anyone thinking that all apprentice contestants are
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  crazy, mad controversial people.
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  Okay?
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  Here is someone who's not that.
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  You're just a lovely guy.
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  Unknown: Yeah, I guess you could say that.
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  Yeah, you are.
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  Yeah. You're
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  Unknown: hardworking.
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  You're from a good home.
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  Yeah.
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  We're gonna get to it, but let's start with Apprentice.
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  What did you think about it?
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  Unknown: It was an amazing experience.
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  It really was.
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  Obviously it's surreal getting onto it as well.
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  The whole selection process was quite challenging.
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  It was quite tough, quite demanding as well.
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  And then actually making it on the show was absolutely surreal.
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  When you see it from the outside you think, do you know what, this
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  process should be straightforward.
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  You know what, how difficult can it be?
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  But when you're on the other side of the fence, you realize
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  how tough it actually is.
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  And I was pretty naive.
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  In thinking that it was gonna be a straightforward process and I'll probably
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  be one of the strongest candidates there.
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  Yeah.
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  But actually you realize you are not really in control of anything.
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  And that probably played a big part in why it was so challenging and so tough.
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  Unknown: Is that the most difficult thing then for you?
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  The fact that you were not in control of your, what is it
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  of your brand, of your day?
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  What was it
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  Unknown: it is not easy filming something like The Apprentice.
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  When you've got so many characters so many contestants.
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  And are you
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  Unknown: saying the contestants were difficult?
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  Unknown: You've got a variety of people personalities and just
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  recording the show as well takes a lot of effort, a lot of people.
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  From the production side, you can imagine it, it's not easy.
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  Try and do all that.
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  But also in terms of the production and what they want to
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  portray to the audience as well.
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  Takes a bit of control over what you say, what you do, et cetera.
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  Yeah, all of that, you're free to say whatever you want, but how it's
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  edited in the end is is stands there.
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  Yeah. But you
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  Unknown: dunno that when you're on it.
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  Do you?
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  Of course not.
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  Of, not of course have no idea how they're editing.
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  No, you don't.
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  But you can see how they wanna steer you.
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  Yeah. If you're on it Yeah, absolutely.
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  And intelligent enough, and you know how they're probing you and
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  what they want to get from you.
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  But yeah, I suppose losing control of your day, how you manage your
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  day, that is quite difficult.
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  I found that difficult not knowing anything.
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  What's coming throughout the day, not knowing when you're going to eat, not
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  knowing how long you have to wait in a room for just that loss of control.
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  It's quite a challenge.
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  I think
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  Unknown: I agree.
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  You're not allowed to take your mobile phone with you, so you are
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  blocked off from the outside world.
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  You are in this little bubble and you are, you're chaperoned everywhere.
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  So you really can't say anything or even talk about the task even
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  when you're off camera as well.
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  All those things made it a lot more difficult.
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  You don't have access to information or anything like that.
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  Unknown: For those that didn't watch your episode,
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  sum it up nicely for us.
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  What happened to you?
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  When did you go out?
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  How'd you get fired?
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  What happened to you?
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  Yeah, so
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  Unknown: the first task was it was a selling task and we went
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  to South Africa and it was the task was to sell tour tickets.
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  And yeah, it was unfortunately week one, which I had to, I was fired in.
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  Yeah. Why
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  Unknown: were you fired?
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  Unknown: Because I didn't make enough sales.
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  And that's what, did you really not,
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  Unknown: or was it edited like that?
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  Unknown: I did make sales, but it wasn't enough.
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  And yeah I guess it was edited that way as well.
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  Unknown: Were you nice too nice in the boardroom to people?
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  Unknown: Do you know? In the boardroom?
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  I think I was I think I, I had no other choice but to fight my corner,
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  but maybe during the task I could have been a bit more aggressive.
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  Which I probably didn't do.
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  And maybe I was playing it safe as well, which wasn't
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  the right tactic at that time.
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  Yeah.
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  Unknown: 'cause everyone's looking to throw someone
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  under the bus from the second.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah. Definitely The second you're in it.
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  So I think that's what
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  Unknown: happened.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah. Oh, sorry.
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  Too much of a Mr. Nice guy, I think.
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  And too honest.
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  Unknown: How did it feel being fired?
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  Unknown: I was devastated.
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  Really devastated because I genuinely thought I was a really strong candidate.
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  And you kinda was it
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  Unknown: shocking? Were you like completely whoa,
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  Unknown: do you know what Yeah.
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  Towards right at the end when I thought, do you know, what do
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  I have an argument to stay in?
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  And I saw Lord Sugar looking at me, and I knew, do you know what?
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  I just had a bad feeling.
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  He's gonna, he's gonna let me go now.
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  And he did, but I was genuinely disappointed to be honest.
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  Unknown: Just 'cause you're just a nice, sensible person.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  You weren't an aggressive shock in there that, that's,
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  Unknown: no, there's some really loud characters and that their
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  personality really rung through.
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  And you, when you are, when you're trying to be authentic and just being
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  yourself, sometimes you gotta step outside the box and go all that.
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  And maybe I didn't do that.
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  Unknown: You know what the thing is about some of the apprentice
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  personalities and when you get stuck in that house with them and
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  you have all these big characters of obviously being, selecting
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  people for the big personalities, and then you're in that house.
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  Did you not find that?
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  It just sucks the living life out of you to be around such, I would consider
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  myself quite a big personality, but I was like, oh, around these people.
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  They just siphoned the energy out of me.
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  I just thought, oh my gosh.
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  Do you feel that?
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  Unknown: Yeah.
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  I just didn't understand where they got the energy from, honestly.
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  Oh my gosh.
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  I like my own time as well oh, you don't
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  Unknown: have any of your own time.
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  You don't have
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  Unknown: any of your own time.
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  You're always together and they even
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  yeah.
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  I just didn't understand where they got the energy from.
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  It was just so much energy.
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  Like hyperactive.
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  Unknown: Now that you've gone through it, has it changed
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  your view of, let's say, Lord Sugar or the whole process itself?
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  Unknown: You know what, now that I've been through it you see what it's
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  really like from the other side.
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  O obviously I have a huge amount of respect for how it's produced how they
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  select the, the candidates, et cetera.
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  But I feel like it's it's done and dusted now, and I've moved on
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  from that that time in my life.
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  But yeah, from time to time I still watch it.
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  Still a huge fan of it, but I think over the years the format's changed
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  the way it's edited, obviously now that I've been on the other side,
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  you know what it's really like now, you know what it's really like.
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  Yeah.
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  So I guess, I take away a pinch of salt now that actually it's,
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  Unknown: okay. So tell me more about how it's edited.
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  Unknown: You may do a task or say a certain thing, they can edit it in the way they
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  see fit, best best for the audience to capture the audiences reactions.
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  And obviously it's a reality TV show they need to increase ratings, et cetera, so
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  they do need those big personalities.
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  So yeah, I do feel like it's now become more of a game show
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  rather than say a business show.
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  'cause it's
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  Unknown: become less of a business show over time, you'd
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  Unknown: say? Yeah, over time, I would say so.
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  And also the tasks are quite repetitive now.
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  I think, there, there's a a formula which they've used for so many years
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  now and that's quite predictable as well with those things in mind yeah
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  I would say they know how to edit it to make it best for the audience.
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  Unknown: Yeah.
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  You can see how it becomes difficult for some candidates if they've
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  been made to look a really bad way.
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  Yeah, absolutely. You didn't have that, did it?
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  Did it impact your career at all?
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  No.
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  Negatively.
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  Unknown: Yeah.
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  No, not necessarily.
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  Luckily I came out unscathed in all honesty.
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  My personality is more or less aligned to how they portrayed me.
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  Unknown: What is it that you're doing now?
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  What's your job?
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  Unknown: So I do multiple things.
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  I'm a consultant by profession in engineering.
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  So I do consultancy work.
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  I buy and sell cars and I invest in property.
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  So buy selling,
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  Unknown: cause is that a side hustle?
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  Unknown: They're all side hustles.
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  My main, I've always engineering's your main engineering is my main
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  profession bread and and it's my bread and butter and I've been working in
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  that field for the past 20 years.
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  But I've always had a side hustle whether it's selling t-shirts printing t-shirts
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  working in the family business or buying and selling cars or investing in property.
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  Yeah. So
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  Unknown: you love entrepreneurship, like I can see
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  why you wanted to go on the ship.
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  Unknown: Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  It's not so much more, not really about the making the profit, but just doing
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  something that you really like and creating value out something is what I
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  like, it's the process of doing something like that really makes it interesting.
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  Unknown: Okay.
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  So I was just wondering how.
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  If you're portrayed as not being able to sell and then your main job
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  is sales, how that would impact.
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  'cause that would be quite something, whereas a side hustle, it's it
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  almost would help you, wouldn't it?
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  But if it's a very serious corporate sales role, that might be difficult.
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  Unknown: Exactly.
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  And this is the kind of thing which on The Apprentice, the way they portrayed
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  me doesn't really align to what I do.
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  And I'm quite successful in what I do.
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  Yeah.
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  And also in, in The Apprentice, there are different types of selling as well.
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  This was like on the street selling.
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  Yeah.
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  I still manage to sell, but market style.
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  Market style. Market style and shouting.
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  Exactly.
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  And that's not really my style, but I managed to do some sales, but it's not
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  what they wanted to show on the screen.
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  Unknown: about sales apprentice.
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  Yeah. You will.
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  If you are not selling, you're gone.
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  Yeah.
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  It's very difficult to come out of that.
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  Yeah. If your stats are low.
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  Yeah.
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  If you want to just for anyone wanting to go on, if you wanna remain in
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  there, you've gotta be, you have
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  Unknown: got, you have to be.
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  Absolutely. Yeah.
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  It's like no matter
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  Unknown: what happens excuse me, at least I'm selling what you are doing.
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  Exactly.
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  Unknown: Exactly.
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  Yeah. Definitely.
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  Unknown: But you were lucky to not have trolling.
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  That's quite a bad thing, or did you have a bit?
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  Unknown: Do you know what I didn't have that much to be honest.
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  And, after the show, what did
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  Unknown: you have the trolling, what did they say to you?
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  Unknown: Some were like how did you make onto the show you couldn't sell?
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  But then there were others who were quite like.
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  Disappointed the fact that I went out in the first week because they were really
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  they're aspiring, young entrepreneurs who really want to see me go to some
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  fans, who are quite disappointed.
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  Yeah.
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  You respond to them, say, I'm really sorry I tried my best.
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  And
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  Unknown: yeah.
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  So do you feel like a reality TV star?
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  You feel like you've gone to that club now, you've been on reality tv.
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  Do you feel reality TV ish or not?
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  I.
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  Unknown: I And you went
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  Unknown: out quite soon, but still.
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  Yeah,
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  Unknown: It's a big show.
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  It's a big show.
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  It has had a huge impact on my life.
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  In all honesty.
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  I've had lots of opportunities, which was great.
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  Something that really came to me, which I was, I, I was quite taken back
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  was the amount of people who wanted me to talk to younger people go to
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  schools, invitations to schools, yeah.
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  Colleges.
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  That was really humbling and it was a great honor, to be honest.
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  So that was the positive thing that came out.
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  And but I don't consider myself as a reality TV star.
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  It was a reality tv.
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  That's quite a
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  Unknown: label, it is a label.
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  Unknown: Yeah.
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  And when you do meet people who find that you are on it they think you are one,
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  Unknown: it's a difficult one, isn't it?
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  To say.
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  'cause you're trying to remain serious and corporate and things,
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  but then, you can look at Trump.
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  Unknown: Yeah.
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  Unknown: He's probably broken that ceiling for the reality TV stars.
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  You can, yeah.
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  Whether you like him or not, he's broken it.
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  Yeah, no, absolutely.
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  So I suppose you can the sort of maybe the looking down on it or
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  saying, oh, it's a little reality.
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  Okay, you try get on it then go on.
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  Any one of the shows, even Big Brother, please do audition.
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  Yeah.
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  And let's see if your personality will see you through.
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  Come on, go on.
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  Let's see.
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  It's not easy.
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  It's difficult, isn't it?
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  Unknown: not easy.
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  And the one thing I say to people, and even, I remind myself, is to always
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  stay authentic, be honest with yourself.
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  Don't lie.
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  'cause people can see through all that.
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  Don't create a fake persona as well.
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  Just be yourself and yeah.
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  That, that, that's really important.
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  'cause also they recruiting
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  Unknown: for personality.
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  Yeah.
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  And they've seen it all.
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  So if you're being fake they know.
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  They know the fake.
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  Exactly.
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  You've gotta be comfortable.
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  Yeah. And unashamedly yourself.
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  Yeah.
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  And if you don't like your personality, don't apply.
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  Exactly.
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  'cause they'll, your personality's gonna be magnified to tenfold.
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  They love, if you're a nerdy, they'll really work on that.
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  Nerdy, if you're very nice, they'll work on the nice, if you're very
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  serious, they'll work on it isn't it?
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  They mag definitely magnify.
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  'cause they need to have those boxes.
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  Doesn't matter which show you're on.
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  Absolutely.
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  Everyone's got their sort of thing, don't they?
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  Yeah.
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  But what did it mean for you to represent your Bangladeshi background
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  on such a massive platform?
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  Unknown: Yeah.
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  That was a huge honor, huh?
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  It was.
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  I didn't realize at the time how much Yeah.
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  They're watching and how many people are actually watching.
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  And I was taking quite aback on that front.
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  But it was quite humbling real honor.
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  Lots of people reached out to me who I really didn't know.
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  And I wasn't on social media or anything like that as well.
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  I didn't realize how big that community really was.
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  And but yeah, it was really good, really nice.
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  And yeah, I had lots of opportunities from that, to be honest.
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  So that was really good.
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  So you
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  Unknown: didn't really realize how many within the bangs
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  community were watching you.
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  Yeah. And then they start to message you.
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  Yeah. And they were rooting for you.
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  Yeah.
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  So it is pressure because you don't want to let anyone down.
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  No. They want you to do what?
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  No. You don't.
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  It's difficult.
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  Unknown: It's difficult.
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  But even when someone from the community does something whether it's, getting on
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  a, a platform like The Apprentice or do something really good for the community,
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  they all do get behind the individual because it's a proud moment for them Yes.
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  For the community.
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  And that, that does really shine through.
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  And it's a really nice thing to have.
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  Unknown: proud of you.
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  You're doing really well.
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  Unknown: It's really good.
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  Unknown: So tell me about your dad.
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  Unknown: Yeah, my dad he, he's my inspiration he's a
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  huge role model in my life.
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  He came here when he was 15.
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  He had to support his family back in Bangladesh.
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  And he worked really hard throughout his life to support his family in
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  Bangladesh as well as us in, in, the uk.
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  And yeah he's had lots of success and lots of failures in life and I've seen him go
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  through all those experiences and events and that's probably what inspired me to.
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  Follow his footsteps and also apply to be on the Apprentice.
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  Yeah.
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  Really. He inspired you to yeah.
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  Yeah, he did.
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  He did.
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  Unknown: Hard worker and good family values.
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  Unknown: Yeah.
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  He's a, he is a real hard worker still working today.
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  Unknown: Old is he now?
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  Unknown: He's gonna be 70 in a few months.
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  And that is the mindset that he's got, he can retire, but it's the, you can
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  never take that away from someone, when they've got grit and entrepreneurialism
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  and a vision or a passion for something.
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  You can never change that in someone.
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  It'll always be instilled and they'll, and I think they'll keep
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  doing that up until they, when it's time, when it's their time to go.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah. What's
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  Unknown: he taught you about family values?
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  Unknown: Family values are really important.
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  Being, having integrity is doing the right thing even when someone's not looking.
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  Doing the, doing it honestly.
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  And yeah.
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  Making sure that, your family is really important.
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  And that's the main thing is making sure family first, the
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  first look after your family.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Unknown: So you experienced a hard start, didn't you?
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  Unknown: We've, we come from a working class background and we all had to work
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  really hard and but seeing my dad go through various businesses where he's
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  made successful businesses and failed at some as well, has taught me the value of,
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  being resilient through difficult times.
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  And that has given me the motivation to work at something
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  and giving it a hundred percent.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Because you know what will happen if you don't.
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  Yeah.
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  Fully commit yourself to it and obviously you gotta be smart about it
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  as well and make the right decisions.
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  But yeah, that's what I'd say.
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  Yeah.
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  Unknown: Resilience really is something, isn't it?
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  Yeah.
• 15:33
  Stay and be strong and work through it and be prepared for the up and the down.
• 15:38
  Yeah. For the things that matter.
• 15:40
  You stay resilient, consistent, and it just pulls you through, doesn't it?
• 15:44
  Yeah, absolutely.
• 15:44
  It's so important.
• 15:45
  Unknown: Ev even, going through the apprentice process, coming
• 15:48
  out of it as well, you need to be really tough and resilient.
• 15:51
  You do.
• 15:52
  Because you can fall into a trap where you have a really high and then a really
• 15:56
  low and your mindset will change as well.
• 15:59
  So because of that, you need to be really steadfast in what you do.
• 16:03
  Unknown: This was an interesting journey for me too.
• 16:04
  I didn't know where this podcast, like what's gonna happen, which of
• 16:08
  the candidates are gonna come on?
• 16:09
  Is anyone gonna wanna come on?
• 16:11
  Who would want to talk to another apprentice?
• 16:13
  Crazy candidate.
• 16:14
  Like I was thinking like, do I even do this?
• 16:17
  And, why would I wanna do this?
• 16:19
  And so on.
• 16:19
  And when I was in the process of looking at candidates and reaching out to them
• 16:23
  and asking if they would come on or not, there were huge number that just
• 16:27
  didn't wanna come on for so many reasons.
• 16:29
  And one of them, the resilience thing, what you're talking about, some of them
• 16:35
  really took a battering that show broke.
• 16:38
  Broke them.
• 16:38
  They've had to their mental health problems, medication,
• 16:42
  depression social isolation.
• 16:47
  Some of them, they want nothing to do with it.
• 16:48
  It's like a bad experience.
• 16:50
  And then obviously you've got the other group that's, they wouldn't
• 16:52
  necessarily mind that they're not depressed or anything but also the
• 16:55
  pressure of you're in oppressed going, what are you doing now?
• 16:56
  Whatcha are doing? Come on.
• 16:57
  Are you making money?
• 16:58
  You richer?
• 16:59
  And going I don't wanna talk about what I'm doing because I'm not
• 17:02
  as successful as I want to be.
• 17:03
  In my mind.
• 17:04
  Even though you're like, listen you don't need to be rich.
• 17:06
  Just talk about your experience.
• 17:07
  Talk about yourself.
• 17:07
  We're doing very few, actually, very few, the minority.
• 17:12
  Were like, we're gonna come on, we're gonna talk about it.
• 17:14
  Whether it's good, whether it's bad.
• 17:17
  There are some that don't wanna talk about the very controversial
• 17:19
  things, which I can understand.
• 17:20
  They're like, we don't wanna talk about it, but they're
• 17:21
  confident enough to come on.
• 17:23
  That's a small percentage.
• 17:25
  Yeah, it really is because after all that.
• 17:29
  When you sift through it, only that little group is left that are willing
• 17:32
  to still talk about it and yeah.
• 17:34
  Acknowledge I've even been on it and are okay with that.
• 17:37
  Majority know.
• 17:39
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 17:39
  Unknown: It's crazy.
• 17:40
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 17:40
  Yeah.
• 17:41
  And that's the the other side of reality TV v is no one really knows what's going
• 17:47
  on in someone's life and it's easily misrepresented and what the audience see
• 17:52
  for that, half an hour or 45 minutes.
• 17:55
  You can't judge someone by their actions in that moment because number one, it's
• 18:01
  edited anyway and so you probably won't see them in the best light or you might
• 18:05
  do, but then you dunno what's going on.
• 18:08
  Yeah.
• 18:08
  In their mind you don't know what's made them go on The Apprentice.
• 18:11
  You don't know what their origin story is or what their belief system is.
• 18:15
  And yeah.
• 18:15
  And as you say, people are going through
• 18:18
  Unknown: some are bad Yes. Really bad.
• 18:18
  Are really bad,
• 18:19
  Unknown: Mental health issues Yeah.
• 18:20
  And whatnot.
• 18:21
  And it's the other side which should also be respected as well.
• 18:25
  So Absolutely.
• 18:25
  I totally agree with you.
• 18:26
  Yeah, absolutely.
• 18:27
  Unknown: Because also when you come out of something like that what
• 18:30
  sort of home is this person going back to?
• 18:32
  What support system do they have?
• 18:34
  You can psychologists and everything, but who's at home to give you a hug?
• 18:38
  And have a little cup of tea with, you've got your dad, your family,
• 18:41
  I've got my family and the big arms are waiting for Oh, and that hug
• 18:45
  and that like the support network.
• 18:47
  It makes everything okay.
• 18:49
  Yeah. Doesn't it?
• 18:49
  Yeah. It's oh, alright.
• 18:51
  But if you don't have that, and let's say you go home and there's an empty house and
• 18:54
  you're on your own and your mind's going, then you know, that's a different story.
• 18:59
  Unknown: Yeah. No and that's the thing.
• 19:00
  When you do go on a show like that, and if you don't have that
• 19:04
  network is who do you go to?
• 19:06
  And you can find yourself alone.
• 19:09
  And this is where you get into a depression mode and it's
• 19:11
  really hard to get out that.
• 19:13
  If you don't have, or if you don't speak to someone about it, because everyone
• 19:16
  assumes, oh, you've been on The Apprentice or you've been on a reality TV show.
• 19:19
  Yeah.
• 19:19
  You must be set for life now.
• 19:21
  Exactly.
• 19:21
  And it's not the case.
• 19:23
  It's not the case at all.
• 19:24
  It really, you have to make it work.
• 19:26
  You have to make the moves and in a way it's harder
• 19:30
  Unknown: because you go on and especially if you're in a
• 19:32
  corporate field, they're like, oh, come on an apprentice candidate.
• 19:34
  Or you're another, you're probably horrible and you're
• 19:37
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 19:38
  Unknown: Stupid and you dunno how to sell and you're arrogant and you
• 19:40
  have to overcome all those obstacles.
• 19:42
  Actually I'm professional.
• 19:43
  I'm very serious.
• 19:43
  Exactly.
• 19:44
  Unknown: Exactly.
• 19:44
  Yeah.
• 19:45
  Creates,
• 19:45
  Unknown: it can create a problem.
• 19:47
  Absolutely.
• 19:47
  And it can also be an, it depends how you milk it and use it.
• 19:50
  But yeah.
• 19:51
  So you built your career in engineering, you're branched into business.
• 19:54
  So what keeps you motivated and comfortable in yourself?
• 19:59
  Unknown: My motivation has always been to be successful, but getting that
• 20:05
  balance which is, at one point, am I gonna be happy in, in, in life.
• 20:11
  And I feel like you need to get that balance right in terms of,
• 20:14
  when are you gonna be happy?
• 20:15
  And when do you start realizing actually, time is precious as well.
• 20:20
  You gotta make the most of it.
• 20:21
  Time is like a currency.
• 20:22
  Weighing that up it's I'm at a point in my life where I think I, I did
• 20:27
  the hard work in my twenties and thirties where now I can relax a bit
• 20:32
  now and enjoy time with the family.
• 20:35
  So that's quite important to me.
• 20:37
  And yeah, when I think about the future, I think about my kids and so
• 20:40
  they, they're my motivation as well.
• 20:43
  How old are they, your kids?
• 20:44
  So I got two girls nine and seven, and then I've got a baby boy.
• 20:48
  He is gonna be two in January.
• 20:49
  Unknown: Okay, so quite young still, you're like Yeah, quite young.
• 20:52
  Unknown: I want to be able to provide for them and give them
• 20:54
  a good basis a good foundation.
• 20:58
  So they have a decent start in life.
• 21:00
  Unknown: So are you happy then?
• 21:02
  Yeah.
• 21:03
  Sounds like you're,
• 21:04
  Unknown: I think I am.
• 21:04
  I think I am.
• 21:05
  And one of the main things is having a belief system as well.
• 21:08
  Making sure that whichever religion you follow for me, I need to make
• 21:13
  sure that we follow our faith.
• 21:15
  And that's something that I instill in my family as well.
• 21:17
  Unknown: So you, that's important, your kids, they
• 21:19
  have to their faith follow?
• 21:20
  Yeah, absolutely.
• 21:21
  Yeah.
• 21:21
  Unknown: Yeah, because, 'cause that's what grounds me as a person.
• 21:24
  Yeah. It does ground, doesn't it?
• 21:24
  We talked about depression or when you have times in your life where you're
• 21:28
  feeling a bit low, for me that was, reaching out to my faith and yeah.
• 21:32
  Unknown: percent
• 21:33
  Unknown: that, that, that helps me.
• 21:34
  Unknown: We don't talk about faith enough at all, I feel
• 21:37
  and it's almost I dunno, in the west it's become oh yeah, whatever.
• 21:40
  I just think it's quite harsh to say not everyone, but it has become diminished.
• 21:43
  Europe, it used to be based on Christian values back in the
• 21:46
  day and I'm Roman Catholics.
• 21:48
  Yeah.
• 21:48
  It is for me I will pray like when I'm traumatized or something.
• 21:51
  Yeah.
• 21:51
  I get really upset then I pray, I pray to my God angel.
• 21:53
  I pray to God.
• 21:55
  And also things like it helps you like in when you're sad about something,
• 21:58
  in our religion it's it teaches you that you have to allow for the morning
• 22:02
  and then you must put it down and.
• 22:05
  Yeah.
• 22:06
  Too bad, yeah.
• 22:06
  It's gone.
• 22:07
  You grieve, but the grieving ends.
• 22:09
  Yeah.
• 22:09
  Yeah.
• 22:09
  It's not something you carry through that's, that you're right.
• 22:12
  Those are the stabilizing grounding values that if you have
• 22:15
  them, it makes things easier.
• 22:17
  So much easier.
• 22:18
  Yeah. Doesn't it?
• 22:18
  Unknown: Yeah. No, absolutely.
• 22:19
  Unknown: Tell me about classic cars.
• 22:21
  I don't know anything about classic cars.
• 22:22
  My sister's husband he lives in South Africa.
• 22:25
  He's all into that kind of thing, and they go to all these shows.
• 22:27
  Yeah.
• 22:27
  And they've got all these fancy cars and things and I don't
• 22:31
  know, like why classic cars.
• 22:33
  Yeah. What's cool about classic cars?
• 22:34
  Yeah. Sell it to me.
• 22:35
  Unknown: So I've always had a passion for cars.
• 22:38
  Yeah.
• 22:38
  And ever since I was a kid, and obviously growing up, you see all these
• 22:42
  cars on the road and it's a passion.
• 22:45
  It's grown over time.
• 22:47
  And why, I guess they're like modern classics.
• 22:50
  So from the, like the nineties era and the eighties and you see these
• 22:55
  cars when you were growing up and now I've got the opportunity to buy
• 23:00
  them restore 'em, and then, okay.
• 23:02
  And sometimes, if I really like them, I'll keep 'em, otherwise I'll sell 'em on.
• 23:06
  So
• 23:07
  Unknown: Like what cars what do you buy?
• 23:08
  Unknown: Let's see classic Mercedes cars, like a, a 90 92 Mercedes sl.
• 23:13
  Two seats, a convertible.
• 23:15
  They're really nice to buy and sell.
• 23:17
  I've currently got a a Mercedes s class, which is a 1998.
• 23:21
  It's a modern classic, but it's one that I've always seen when I was at, when I
• 23:25
  was going to school, I always used to really have a soft spot for that car.
• 23:29
  And I used to see it in magazines and luckily I had the chance to
• 23:33
  buy one about four years ago.
• 23:35
  And yeah I've had that ever since.
• 23:37
  And that stored away.
• 23:38
  And yeah, OO other cars vintage or classic Ferraris as well.
• 23:42
  Unknown: quite an expensive hobby.
• 23:44
  This one.
• 23:44
  Yeah.
• 23:45
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 23:46
  It's liking
• 23:46
  Unknown: cars.
• 23:46
  Let me collect some, it's not toys like like in the old, when you're a
• 23:50
  kid, you have your little toy cars.
• 23:51
  These are proper big cars and you're buying, restoring, keeping some of them.
• 23:55
  Yeah.
• 23:56
  So you end up collecting cars.
• 23:57
  That's crazy.
• 23:58
  Unknown: Yeah it's, it is an expensive hobby.
• 24:00
  We could start off small.
• 24:01
  Some of the classic cars are, not that expensive.
• 24:03
  You can start off with a couple of thousand pounds to be honest.
• 24:06
  And spend some time restoring them.
• 24:07
  But yeah, it's a nice hobby.
• 24:09
  Now then I'll sell one and but yeah, that keeps me busy on the weekends.
• 24:13
  What
• 24:14
  Unknown: is it about the car? Is it.
• 24:14
  It's look, is it the manufacturer?
• 24:17
  Is it the engine?
• 24:18
  What is it?
• 24:20
  Unknown: It's a bit of everything.
• 24:20
  It's a bit, and it's something like what can I say?
• 24:24
  How you relate to it.
• 24:25
  So how you relate to a brand.
• 24:26
  There might have been a certain time in your life where
• 24:29
  you've grown up with a brand.
• 24:31
  And when you start reading into the, the stories of the brands as well,
• 24:35
  that makes a huge difference to what as a collectible to yourself.
• 24:39
  You read the Ferrari brand story and how Ferrari became brand.
• 24:44
  It's a sporting pedigree.
• 24:46
  And winning races, and it's all about the cars dynamics how the engine was
• 24:53
  designed how it feels on the road.
• 24:55
  So that's a sporting, pedigrees, a sporting brand.
• 25:00
  And then you compare other brands like Mercedes more about the technology,
• 25:05
  about the luxuriousness and how they built German engineering.
• 25:09
  And then you look at British brands like let's say Bentley.
• 25:11
  Handcrafted Handbuilt.
• 25:13
  Now with technology, they do it a lot with automation.
• 25:16
  But yeah, it's every brand has a story and when you could tell it and experience
• 25:21
  that and drive that it really does.
• 25:24
  Connect you emotionally as well.
• 25:25
  Unknown: Which is your favorite and why, which one
• 25:28
  are you most connected with?
• 25:29
  Unknown: Because I've owned a Ferrari and having been through that process
• 25:33
  of kind of restoring a classic Ferrari it was a Ferrari 4, 5, 6 I would say
• 25:39
  I'm quite attached to that brand.
• 25:41
  And when you read the story of the Ferrari story it's very much
• 25:45
  connected to the racing pedigree and how they became a, a major brand in.
• 25:52
  In the world.
• 25:53
  That I guess would be the one brand that I really do connect with.
• 25:57
  Yeah.
• 25:57
  Intimately. Isn't
• 25:58
  Unknown: Hamilton going to Ferrari?
• 26:00
  It's, what do you think about that?
• 26:01
  I
• 26:01
  Unknown: think it's an amazing move for him to go into the Ferrari family.
• 26:07
  It'll be an interesting season next year.
• 26:10
  Unknown: Do you think he's gonna perform on the same level,
• 26:13
  Unknown: He's a lot older now.
• 26:14
  And you want, everyone probably will compare 'em to Schumacher and
• 26:17
  I hope he does make a big impact.
• 26:20
  He's had a difficult time at Mercedes, so I think because he's
• 26:25
  had the opportunity to go to Ferrari now he's got something to prove.
• 26:29
  So I think mentally he'll push himself as hard as possible, and I think everybody
• 26:34
  in Ferrari will also be right behind him.
• 26:36
  Unknown: What's the one value from your upbringing, the one
• 26:41
  that you want them to carry forward?
• 26:42
  Unknown: The one value, I would say is to have a good belief system.
• 26:46
  Because by being grounded in, in, in your belief system, you have you,
• 26:53
  you'll automatically get things like integrity, as I said before, doing
• 26:58
  the right thing when no one's looking.
• 27:01
  And yeah, I think that would be the.
• 27:04
  The key value is having a belief system.
• 27:07
  And automatically, integrity plays a huge part in that.
• 27:10
  And being yourself, being honest to yourself and yeah.
• 27:15
  Unknown: Okay.
• 27:15
  Important in terms of, cultural heritage and background.
• 27:19
  So as a Bangladeshi British engineer, entrepreneur, what do you think we
• 27:23
  often overlook about the contribution of immigrants to this country?
• 27:27
  Unknown: Look, immigrants in this country have played a huge
• 27:30
  part socially, economically.
• 27:33
  We play a huge part and because we do play such a important part without us,
• 27:40
  Britain isn't Britain as it is today.
• 27:45
  And yeah, we do play a huge part.
• 27:48
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 27:48
  And what do you think about the UK's direction on immigration?
• 27:52
  Unknown: Look the challenges that they have at the moment with, immigrants
• 27:57
  coming in illegally, that's not right.
• 27:59
  And there should be mechanisms in place and you gotta follow the
• 28:03
  process to get into the country.
• 28:05
  So that must be followed.
• 28:07
  And we want the right people coming into the country who will contribute
• 28:11
  to society, to the economy, who will help the economy grow.
• 28:17
  That's what we want to make it a more diverse and strong place to live.
• 28:22
  And so that is what I support.
• 28:24
  Unknown: Is.
• 28:24
  It is it is a bit like you wouldn't let everyone and anyone come into your house.
• 28:28
  You look, who is that?
• 28:29
  Yep.
• 28:29
  Security, this, that you can come in, you're a friend, whatever.
• 28:32
  Then you let people in.
• 28:33
  But it can't be free for all, I think, isn't it?
• 28:35
  Yeah.
• 28:36
  But at the same time, you need the skills and you need to be able to pull
• 28:40
  in and I love the way that the UK's diverse and there's a lot going on and
• 28:45
  it's that international like sizzle.
• 28:47
  It does put it on another level.
• 28:49
  Yeah. There's massive advantages to that.
• 28:51
  Yeah. Massive advantages.
• 28:52
  But yeah, it needs to be safe, secure, doesn't it?
• 28:55
  It just,
• 28:56
  Unknown: yeah, no.
• 28:56
  If you look at say, NHS for example the, I think it's like a quarter of the workforce
• 29:04
  are from ethnic minority backgrounds and, they provide such an important
• 29:08
  service to everybody without them.
• 29:12
  It will cripple pretty much and come to a standstill.
• 29:15
  That's just an example of the NHS.
• 29:16
  But then if you look at, say, technology, the amount of scientists the engineers,
• 29:22
  the programmers that UK need to compete on a global scale, we do need that influx of
• 29:29
  the right talent to come through to help these companies in the UK who are based in
• 29:33
  the UK to really thrive and make England or uk a superpower to compete against
• 29:40
  the likes of say, America, China, India.
• 29:43
  Unknown: In that case, we can't have brain drain.
• 29:44
  No.
• 29:44
  'cause there's so many intelligent, qualified people leaving because they're
• 29:47
  getting higher paid jobs elsewhere,
• 29:49
  and there's this whole thing like the labor government and, raise
• 29:52
  taxes, let's punish the rich.
• 29:54
  Let's do that.
• 29:54
  But I'm, I am really not of that mindset.
• 29:57
  I am genuinely of a mindset of create an environment in your country that
• 30:02
  encourages that growth, that sizzle, make it a fertile landscape that
• 30:07
  businesses wanna set their roots in.
• 30:09
  Yeah. Make it fertile for them.
• 30:10
  Because with these businesses come, jobs come the intelligent, the brain powers
• 30:15
  coming in, and then the economy starts moving because you can raise taxes
• 30:18
  as much as you want, and you can make life very unpleasant for everyone here.
• 30:22
  But where's your growth coming from?
• 30:24
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 30:24
  Unknown: And even the growth plan that we have now in the UK
• 30:26
  for growth, I don't buy into it.
• 30:28
  I don't buy into the whole, I dunno how much you know about it, but
• 30:31
  the whole like let's just invest in this green energy and everything.
• 30:34
  Yeah. I love the environment.
• 30:35
  I'll do anything like I'm crazy about birds and I'm
• 30:37
  obsessed with the environment.
• 30:38
  Okay.
• 30:39
  But at the same time, you've gotta be realistic.
• 30:41
  Yeah.
• 30:41
  And wind and solar energy, I was actually researching it this morning.
• 30:47
  I was looking into it is, it's very good and they're investing it or whatever.
• 30:51
  On some level it's, it seems good, but actually when you look into what you need
• 30:55
  the components that comes from China.
• 30:58
  And it's if you wanna be independent with your energy, then why are you doing that?
• 31:03
  And also, nuclear, it's more reliable because the output is like 90%.
• 31:08
  Whereas with wind and solar it's 30% or 35, so you're not really
• 31:11
  getting banged for your buck.
• 31:12
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 31:12
  Unknown: But the UK is investing massively.
• 31:15
  Yeah.
• 31:15
  Into wind and solar.
• 31:16
  Unknown: We do need a a bed of, businesses who are gonna be thriving, who are
• 31:22
  gonna be creating new opportunities.
• 31:24
  And if you do deter those entrepreneurs or those startups that really
• 31:29
  want to be based here, but then if you scare them off, they'll go to
• 31:32
  other countries, because they'll be providing them with grants
• 31:35
  potentially lower taxes and whatnot.
• 31:37
  They really do need to focus on, what's it gonna take to make the UK a superpower?
• 31:42
  Because China are increasing their manufacturing capabilities.
• 31:48
  You got the likes of India as well who are real superpower now.
• 31:52
  Now you've got Trump in, he wants America to be a, establish themselves
• 31:57
  as a as, as a manufacturer.
• 31:59
  Now, they're gonna be investing a lot of money into the rust
• 32:03
  Belt to create new opportunities.
• 32:05
  So for the UK to compete with those economies, we do need to
• 32:10
  make it as and, interesting and enticing as possible for Yeah.
• 32:15
  UK startups and businesses in general and give them some relief
• 32:18
  on, on, on some of these Yeah.
• 32:20
  Technologies.
• 32:20
  You've got
• 32:21
  Unknown: an entrepreneur running the country, so he's
• 32:22
  gonna look at the assets.
• 32:24
  What do we have, what are our resources?
• 32:25
  What are the people?
• 32:26
  How much money do we have?
• 32:27
  How much debt do we have?
• 32:28
  And then manage the books, and make it so you're growing and getting profitable.
• 32:31
  It's like business.
• 32:32
  It's business.
• 32:33
  Come on.
• 32:33
  Unknown: Trump has appointed Elon Musk Yeah.
• 32:35
  To do some efficiencies.
• 32:37
  Yeah.
• 32:37
  Unknown: I think it's fantastic, to be honest.
• 32:39
  It's really interesting.
• 32:40
  You've got someone who is highly intelligent, who has run successful
• 32:45
  companies all his life, and now he's managed to get a seat at
• 32:48
  the table with president Trump.
• 32:51
  And now he has the opportunity to cut out waste.
• 32:55
  Waste and imagine if,
• 32:57
  which, there's a lot of it.
• 32:58
  Yeah, of course.
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  And, in this government, if you had to, if you looked into the nhs Yeah.
• 33:01
  You know how many spiderwebs cobwebs Absolutely.
• 33:05
  You Oh my God.
• 33:06
  Unknown: And I'm certain some people are worried in the government
• 33:10
  that, oh, if America have done this, why can't we do something?
• 33:13
  Yeah. Because they're
• 33:13
  Unknown: hiding. They're hiding.
• 33:14
  Yeah.
• 33:14
  Not there's employees in the office, they hide.
• 33:16
  Yeah, absolutely.
• 33:17
  They.
• 33:17
  And
• 33:17
  Unknown: I was on LinkedIn just this morning.
• 33:19
  And the owner of BrewDog, even, he was saying, do you know what, maybe
• 33:23
  I should apply for a job like this in the UK government, there's an
• 33:26
  opportunity here to cut out waste.
• 33:28
  And, but they
• 33:28
  Unknown: don't want you to 'cause they wanna continue hiding.
• 33:30
  Unknown: Yeah, exactly.
• 33:31
  And that's the scary bit.
• 33:32
  And, for someone, like a party like labor that's not good.
• 33:36
  Unknown: On Elon Musk, he released the tweet actually.
• 33:38
  Okay.
• 33:39
  About energy costs in the uk and it's like lists like a whole bunch of, top
• 33:44
  countries, important countries, whatever.
• 33:47
  And their energy costs.
• 33:48
  And then you've got the UK at the top with the costs almost off the chart and then
• 33:54
  everyone else there and with low costs.
• 33:56
  Yeah.
• 33:56
  So this is what I'm talking about, the UK.
• 34:00
  Already it's 50% Yeah.
• 34:02
  Renewables.
• 34:03
  And we're going heavy into that.
• 34:04
  We're spending money.
• 34:05
  It's very expensive to get this going.
• 34:08
  Yeah.
• 34:08
  Very expensive.
• 34:10
  We're massively in debt.
• 34:11
  How are we rich enough to start going to the most expensive energy when look at
• 34:17
  our costs, look at our debt, our growth,
• 34:21
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 34:22
  And that's I guess the good thing about Trump is he has that belief
• 34:26
  that they can do it themselves.
• 34:28
  Yeah. And he is taken on the right people.
• 34:30
  Yeah.
• 34:30
  And he's not scared of, politicians who are bullies Yeah.
• 34:33
  And always been there bullies and know it all.
• 34:35
  And I think UK obviously, don't have that stance and they can't do that.
• 34:39
  Really?
• 34:40
  Unknown: Yeah. We need someone for the uk.
• 34:42
  That's okay, you putting America first, we're putting the UK first.
• 34:45
  We're putting the UK back on the map.
• 34:46
  We need like a Thatchers style tough, put its arms around the country and go
• 34:52
  Right world, the UK's back and we're all about Britain and this is how it's gonna
• 34:57
  be from now on and use what we've got.
• 34:59
  Use what we've got in house and grow that instead of, stop wasting money.
• 35:04
  Unknown: I agree.
• 35:05
  But it's really difficult.
• 35:06
  Who would do that?
• 35:07
  We need
• 35:07
  Unknown: someone with guts that's brave.
• 35:09
  Pretty smart.
• 35:10
  You don't have to even be that smart 'cause this is quite basic stuff, not with
• 35:12
  Unknown: sugar, right?
• 35:16
  Unknown: Come on.
• 35:17
  Absolutely not.
• 35:18
  No.
• 35:19
  No.
• 35:19
  I don't think the country can.
• 35:21
  No deal them.
• 35:22
  Unknown: No.
• 35:22
  Unknown: I mean you would have them as advisors,
• 35:24
  like the sugars and that.
• 35:25
  Yeah.
• 35:25
  I totally would believe in bringing people, like getting it right.
• 35:28
  You tell me from business perspec perspective, what
• 35:31
  would you like to see on tax?
• 35:32
  Unknown: The other, the challenge that we have is obviously that's one
• 35:35
  group of people who want that, but then you've got socialists who want.
• 35:39
  Unknown: Oh, socialists.
• 35:40
  Unknown: The, the come on the great, for the greater good for people
• 35:43
  who are struggling, it's a greater
• 35:44
  Unknown: good for them when you know.
• 35:45
  Unknown: Yeah. So you know, it's getting that balance.
• 35:47
  Okay. But
• 35:48
  Unknown: socialist countries, so like in Sweden.
• 35:50
  Yeah.
• 35:50
  So their healthcare system is incredibly efficient.
• 35:53
  Yeah.
• 35:54
  It's, but it's built for a socialist system.
• 35:57
  Yeah.
• 35:57
  It's designed in that way.
• 35:59
  It's quite centralized.
• 36:00
  Not like our NHS with multiple units and divisions.
• 36:04
  It's run in a way that's good for socialist type government, but their
• 36:07
  debt is very low compared to us.
• 36:10
  We have a totally different scenario going on.
• 36:13
  And we need to look at it like that.
• 36:15
  Unknown: I, you are, as you were talking, I was just thinking, yeah.
• 36:18
  You look at salaries.
• 36:19
  Yeah.
• 36:19
  The average salary in the uk versus the rate of inflation
• 36:24
  and the cost of house prices.
• 36:26
  How do you tackle that?
• 36:27
  You compare that to say the nineties even, early noughties.
• 36:31
  There's no way that a, a buyer now who's just come out of university
• 36:37
  is able to afford to buy a house.
• 36:39
  And what the government's doing now is obviously restricting all these
• 36:44
  landlords and investors in not to buy property and give them a chance.
• 36:49
  But then that's the opportunity is you need investors.
• 36:53
  You need those people who will create those opportunities, the jobs who will
• 36:57
  be developing properties, et cetera.
• 36:59
  And yeah.
• 37:00
  By trying to tax heavily tax those investors and developers, it still
• 37:06
  alienates these, first time buyers because they still can't get
• 37:09
  onto the, property land anyway.
• 37:12
  So it, it's a real, difficult situation that they've put a lot of people in.
• 37:16
  When it comes to investing in the uk,
• 37:19
  Unknown: difficult.
• 37:19
  Yeah, no, it's not a good place to invest right now.
• 37:22
  And the other thing, Musk said, actually, I dunno if you saw this, was he also
• 37:25
  attacked the labor government now.
• 37:27
  So on free speech saying that they're releasing criminals from overcrowded
• 37:31
  prisons, but then putting people into jail for opposing, contradictory Yeah.
• 37:37
  Views to the government.
• 37:38
  What do you think about that?
• 37:38
  Unknown: I don't see why Elon Musk is getting involved in British
• 37:42
  politics, to be honest with you.
• 37:43
  I don't care that he owns Twitter, but there's no need for him to
• 37:46
  meddle in UK politics and he's quite controversial himself, to be honest.
• 37:51
  He was he didn't support Trump all his life.
• 37:53
  He, it is only been the last few years last few Mo a couple of
• 37:57
  years probably where he switched sides, to be honest, though.
• 37:59
  Unknown: He was, yeah.
• 38:00
  He was Democrat.
• 38:01
  Yeah.
• 38:02
  So I turned,
• 38:03
  Unknown: I don't see why he's meddling in UK politics.
• 38:06
  There's no need for him to do that.
• 38:07
  It's
• 38:07
  Unknown: okay to change your mind, but yes.
• 38:09
  Vance changed his mind.
• 38:10
  His, yeah.
• 38:11
  He hated him, and then now he likes him.
• 38:13
  Oh, there you go.
• 38:13
  Yeah. But you're allowed to, yeah.
• 38:15
  Unknown: Allowed to, Elon Musk probably has a, a hidden agenda.
• 38:17
  Anyway.
• 38:18
  He's now made it into the White House.
• 38:21
  Yeah.
• 38:21
  You never know what, who do you think's gonna be the next president?
• 38:24
  Elon Musk might be knocking.
• 38:26
  I'll tell, you'll tell you what I like on the door.
• 38:27
  Unknown: I want someone that's gonna really like with every single cell
• 38:32
  in their body want the best for Britain.
• 38:34
  Yeah.
• 38:34
  And bring Britain like properly back on a map.
• 38:37
  We've got very political Yeah.
• 38:38
  This is just really swung in that direction.
• 38:41
  I don't know, it's obviously a hot topic, but what, in your
• 38:44
  opinion, that makes a good leader?
• 38:45
  And then I've got one more question after that.
• 38:47
  Unknown: It's how to motivate your people and empowering them and trusting them.
• 38:55
  And what Covid has taught us is that you need to trust your employees, the
• 39:00
  people that work for you, because work can still be done even when you're
• 39:04
  at home or not on site and stuff.
• 39:07
  Yes.
• 39:07
  So I think that shift, that mindset has shifted and it's
• 39:10
  probably changed a lot of peoples.
• 39:11
  Unknown: Last question.
• 39:12
  It's twofold.
• 39:13
  What's next for you?
• 39:15
  And also how would you like to be remembered?
• 39:18
  What do you want people to know about you?
• 39:21
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 39:22
  Next for me, I still.
• 39:25
  We'll be investing in property.
• 39:27
  So I'll continue doing that.
• 39:28
  Continue buying and selling cars.
• 39:31
  And yeah try and keep fit, stay healthy.
• 39:35
  I think those are the kind of, and enjoy life, to be honest.
• 39:38
  Unknown: How do you wanna be remembered?
• 39:39
  Unknown: To be remembered?
• 39:40
  Someone who's authentic and honest?
• 39:42
  A realist, one thing I'd probably say is to, your audience is don't
• 39:47
  be phased by what on social media because it's not always real.
• 39:52
  A picture.
• 39:53
  Can say a lot of things.
• 39:55
  You look at someone and you think they're really successful, they don't
• 39:58
  have any problems in life and whatnot.
• 40:00
  But actually when you look deep into their life, you realize they have problems,
• 40:06
  everyday problems that you have as well.
• 40:08
  So don't think that they are someone really special.
• 40:11
  They just everyday people.
• 40:13
  Unknown: That's life.
• 40:15
  Thank you for coming on the podcast.
• 40:16
  Thank you for having me.
• 40:17
  It's been lovely having you.
• 40:17
  Yeah. Thank you so much.
• 40:18
  Unknown: Thank you.