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Episode 18: Previewing the 2024 NCAA Frozen Four · The PodKaz: USCHO Women's Hockey

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Usccho dot com. It's Frozen four, time into Women's hockey, and it
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is the podcast Frozen four Preview. Hi, I'm Todd Maluski here with Nicole
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Hasey, and we've got the top two teams from the w CCHA the top
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two teams from ECAC Hockey. Kind of liked we thought it might be trending
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for a lot of this season. Nicole, it's Wisconsin and Ohio State out
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of the WHA, it's Clarkson and Colegate out of ECAC Hockey, and this
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is you know, it's hard to argue that these aren't the four best teams
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throughout the entirety of the season, isn't it. Yeah, absolutely, I'm
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not sure. I think at the beginning of the season, I wasn't sure
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about Clarkson, but they certainly proved themselves. That's not to say that they
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weren't a good team. I just wasn't sure if they were top four,
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and you know, otherwise it you know, these are the teams that were
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ranked a top the country season started and have shown themselves through you know,
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all their conference, playing in, playing out of conference, and Colgate beating
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or splitting with Ohio State that first weekend sort of set the tone that you
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know, this was a team not to mess with. So yeah, I
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think we knew these were the two best conferences. They've had multiple ranked teams
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in each of them throughout the season, and so yeah, it does.
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It does certainly feel that like in the end, the bracket sort of played
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out how we expected and we got I think probably the four top teams in
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the country playing. Yeah, we will have a full rundown of all of
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the dynamics at play in these two semi final games that happen on Friday.
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We'll have that later on the show, but first we want to kind of
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get take a look at how we got here, and it ends up being
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an entirely chalk first weekend, first week of the NCAA tournament Thursday of the
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regional semifinals. Three of those games Cornell with a seven to one win over
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stone Hill. Isy Daniel, named the day earlier as a top three finalist
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for the Patty Kasmier Award, had a goal and three assists for Cornell,
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and it was it was a one to one game at one point stone Hill
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scored to make it one one and but it was pretty clear after that point
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that Cornell was a lot deeper, stronger team and ran away with that one
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pretty quickly then, right, but shout out to stone Hill for outscoring two
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of the other teams that played that day, which I'm not sure any of
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us what it gets into the day. So I thought it was a good
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showing for them. They you know, they didn't get rolled over right like
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that game built in sixty minutes against a team like Cornell, It's going to
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be tough for them, but I thought it was a really good building block
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for a program like that to play the game they did for you know,
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probably two full periods before things kind of started to fall apart. So yeah,
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good for for stone Hill, and you know, definitely joking a little
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bit about teasing some of the other teams that didn't score, but yeah,
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good for them. They they played a good game. They had a great
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season, and I think that nothing but good can come for them from having
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this experience. And then things got weird the rest of the night. In
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Columbus, Minnesota, Duluth beat Yukon won nothing in two overtimes. And if
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you are confused by that, because you turned it off after Yukon scored in
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the second overtime. Well that got back for UMD challenge for offside on the
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zone entry, and it was looking pretty clearly, pretty clear. Yeah,
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I was wondering because we noticed that there are blue line cameras at Ohio States
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building, wondering whether that was what saved the season. And I think you
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probably could have from the just the regular centerrized camera scene that that was offside
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looking back on it, and then yeah, the announcers definitely said like,
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oh, I think that's coming back. Oh they called it a good goal,
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So definitely in even in like the run of play, it was,
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it was a pretty obvious size. And then for ohiose eight they shake that
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off. You know, I'm sorry at Ohio State. Um D shook that
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off and then got a man in mcmon goal uh To that did did survive
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a goalie interference challenged by Yukon. Uh To win that one one nothing,
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two overtimes. Some pretty good goaltending on both sides therev Gascono thirty three saves
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for um D, t Chan forty eight saves for Yukon. The tough loss
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there, Yeah, that one. You you can talk about a lot of
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things in that game that the two reviews in in overtime one, you know,
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a fairly cut and dried off side one. But the the goali interference
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on um d's winning goal, some questions there. If you're Yukon, uh,
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probably some valid questions on whether that one should have stood or sure that
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Like, of course this happened at Ohio State, so we don't have great
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video of it, of up close video, but the the consensus that I
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was reading seemed to be that the U m D player was pushed into the
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goalie and therefore goalie interference didn't come into play. I don't you know,
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Yukon might not agree with that, but yeah, I that's It's just a
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tough way to go down. I did think it was a good story because
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Man and McMahon felt like she was the reason the Yukon goalie, Yukon goal
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had that got called back, had gone in. She felt like she was
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screening her her goaltender, and so it was a bit of a redemption for
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a fifth year player to be able to be the one that scored that unfortunate
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on the off sides because it was a gorgeous goal that Yukon scored. We
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got a behind the a view of that goal from behind Gascallon and so you
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could really see how well she was screened both by her players and the others
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the other teams. So they really was a really great seeing eye shot to
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the score there, and so unfortunate for Yukon that that got called back and
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U M. D. You know, really liked it. Overtime this weekend
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and then another overtime in the Madison Regional game Saint Lawrence winning one nothing over
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Penn State and apple sauce fueled goal by Christina Ball. She gets her I
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hope she gets a sponsorship deal. Yeah. She said after the game that
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she was she she needed a boost and they had she doesn't need apple sauce
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regularly, but they had it out on the cart outside the locker room for
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him, and she went to it and apparently found her found another level to
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get to in overtime and scored the winning goal there. Emma Sophie Nords from
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thirty six saves for the shutout another a tough loss for Katie Disa for Penn
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State forty three saved a lot of them, I mean some really good saves.
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That game kind of went both goalies, Yeah, went back and forth
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and stretches. It kind of started slow, but then it picked up and
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it was really there. Probably should have been a goal or two in regulation
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just from the quality of chances, but it did go to overtime scoreless,
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and Saint Lawrence advanced, the first time they advanced in quite a while.
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They I think, lost four in a row in the tournament dating back to
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Okay, now my memory is challenge here. I'm thinking two thousand and seven.
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That's the date that sticks with me. Yeah, that's what I was
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going to say, so, but it's that was a few days ago and
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a few games ago, so so, yeah, that was the Thursday night
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games, and then it just seemed like that there was It felt exhausting a
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little bit, having watched one of those games of person and the other two
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to keep track of everything virtually. Yeah, it was just like, you
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know, another reason why this would have been great to spread these games out
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a little bit for for viewing purposes. If you're you know, kind of
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the neutral observer and want to watch everything, but we un you're standing a
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Thursday night. It's not easy to or a Thursday is not easy to spread
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games out, I guess. Yeah, and we got a lot of questions
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about this on Twitter. I'm sure you did. I know I did,
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and like my plan is to talk to some of the NCAA people this weekend
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at the Frozen four, so hopefully we can get some answers about why those
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can't be spread out more. I do think that right now they allow the
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host university to choose the time that works best for them. It's a busy
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time of the year and there's a lot of sports going on. But yeah,
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it was unfortunate on Saturday that everything was happening at the same time,
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and so I really do hope, particularly if we stay with streaming, that
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we can spread this out so that the people can be watching more than one
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game, because not only was it annoying, but then everything was at intermission
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at the same time too. They didn't even overlap well enough, like stagger
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them a little bit. So I know I hadn't really answered. I got
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a lot of those questions and the answers I don't know. And we're hoping
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to get some answers from some folks at the NCAA this weekend, so we'll
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report back on what we hear. Then we got the Saturday in the regional
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Finals, where they spot in the frozen four on the line in four games
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at four regional sites, Colgates at home with a three to one win over
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Cornell. That one was tight until late Allison Simpsons scored to break a one
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to one tie. With four to eleven left. Colgate added an empty netter
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to get back to the frozen four, and that was a It felt like
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Cornell was hanging in there for for a lot of that game, and it
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just it the Big Red could not find that goal to go ahead and couldn't
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hold off then to get to overtime either. No, And I think that's
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where Colgate's depth and maybe Cornell's blackup depth really came into play. I just,
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you know, that's what talking to some people that watch more of the
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East Coast games in person and things like that, like Colgate returned a lot
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of their roster this year, and they've been, you know, in recent
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years, haven't so much been rebuilding as reloading, like they haven't been graduating.
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It kind of you know, They've they've got this really experienced, really
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talented team and that's that's just really hard to come up against. And yeah,
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I think it's just a matter of that Renell could match up to them
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first line to first line, but when you start getting into the second,
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third line of Colgate, that's when things become a little more difficult. And
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Alisa Peterman played in everyone played a part in every one of the goals that
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Colgate scored. So yeah, there's a lot of threats on that Colgate team.
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Yeap over in Madison, Wisconsin for st. Lawrence zero in a result
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that feels like is kind of baited. Now when Wisconsin hosts an NCAA tournament
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game, it's now five straight NCAA games at Labon Arena that the Badgers have
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had a shutout. It goes back to a Renee Debien doing it twice,
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Kristin Campbell doing it twice, and now Avian McNaughton got twenty five saves for
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that win. That shutout street goes back twenty fifteen and stretches almost three hundred
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and three minutes if I'm remembering it right, which is just kind of remarkable.
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It speaks to the situation the Badges have put themselves in over the years
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when they do host to to you know, be in position to play games
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that they're comfortable winning. But you know there's been a pretty good variety of
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opponents they've had to play in that stretch too. Yeah, absolutely, I
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think when not just saying twenty fifteen, but that it was. It was
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when Marie Plan was still in college and Victoria Bach scored the last goal.
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And I feel like I really need to like stress how long ago that was,
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because I feel like that really puts into perspective that like that was a
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really long time ago. And obviously like they didn't host the last couple of
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years and COVID and things like that. But yeah, playing in Labon is
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an experience and it's something that the Badgers have really worked to their advantage,
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and other teams come in and it's you know, playing there is it is
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unlike anywhere else in the country. Ritter hasn't been selling out to the same
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extent, and so it's a small Laban is small, and they fill it
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and it gets lowed. And Saturday was fun. Man, that that crowd
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knew was in on everything in that game, every every touch it was.
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I was kind of shocked they were as loud for you know, a good
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pass or a good save as they were for a goal. And so it's
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fun when the crowd is engaged. But yes, it makes it a pretty
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unique experience in women's hockey, and the Baddress have really like honed it to
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their advantage. Chris Wells, the St. Lawrence coach, was saying that
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after the game that he was glad his players got a chance to play in
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that environment because there that's not always the way, even in NCAA games,
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you don't always get atmospheres like that. And yeah, Wisconsin sold that out
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in four minutes. Tickets sold out for that game when they went on sale
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earlier. Well, the hope is that everybody gets that experience right like it
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should be that it stinks that more campus campus sites don't get that kind of
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support. You know, they were there were good crowds on Saturday across the
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country, but it would it just would be nice. It shouldn't be an
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anomaly what happens in Madison. And my hope is for a lot of these
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programs that they get to experience that too. But yeah, you were talking
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about, Well, all I have thought about since that game is him talking
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about he felt like his team played the perfect game, like that was the
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game they needed to play to have a chance, and they just were kind
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of unlucky some stuff didn't go in. I mean, there were a couple
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of goofy plays where like the Badgers cleared one off the line as it bounced
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off McNaughton's mask and into the bread basket of the back checking player a Badger
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and they got lucky to clear that out and seeing Lawrence hit a couple of
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posts, and that that game really could have looked very different had some Lawrence
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scored earlier in the game. But kudos to them because I thought they played
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They did a really good job of forcing Wisconsin to adjust, and the Badgers
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did finally adjust, but probably not till late in the second yeah, maybe
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the third, So they really they had them off their game. Edwards said
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postgame, you know, like I was unprepared for that, like it,
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you know, it pushed me a little bit. And so, yeah,
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they played a great game, especially considering they came, you know, off
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that overtime and things like that, and it's like we were talking about an
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interesting environment and just the whole nine yards and they executed exactly as he wanted
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them to, and so, you know, it does sometimes that's just what
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happens, is that you do what you're supposed student still doesn't come out that
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way, but kudos to them, and I was impressed with with how well
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they handled kind of all of that since they haven't really had any of that,
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that sort of experience definitely over in Columbus another shutout perhaps say nine nothing
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over Duluth in the that regional final. That was a maybe the result we
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we thought it would be, but the score line was definitely caught me off
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guard. Jocelyn Amos goal and to assist Hannahbilka two goals. Reagan Kirk had
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only had make sixteen saves, so that shut out and it definitely did seem
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like and this is what Duluth as experienced against Ohio State in its last few
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games, just not being able to get really any of the play going their
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way. And Ohio State came out fast and they scored twenty two seconds.
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It did not stop. This is our game and they will do that to
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you. You give them the opportunity, they will absolutely crush you. If
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if if you're if you're not maybe not prepared for it. Isn't isn't even
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the way of saying it, but just not if you don't have the pushback.
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Yeah, I mean, I do think It was probably the worst game
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of Gascon has played in several months, if maybe the season, like maybe
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the overtime, like she just just some uncharacteristic fumbles and things, and so
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I do think early on Ohio State got a bigger lead than UMD thought they
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would get that early in the game, like just unfortunate bounces and things like
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that, and so that really, I mean, that game was out of
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hand for them, I like quick, very quickly, and at that point,
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I'm not sure. You know, as a und player, it's it's
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hard to keep keep pushing back against that. But you know, Nadine Muzrell
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likes to say relentless, talk about her team being relentless, and I feel
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like that game was the epitome of what she's talking about. Like that was
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Nadine Muzzrel style, Ohio State style, Like they're going to give you no
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quarter. There is there is nowhere to go. They're gonna push and push
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and push and push, and they did it to a t yep. And
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then because you know, one overtime, two overtime, three overtime wasn't enough
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in at Clarkson, Clarkson three, Minnesota two in four overtimes, Clarkson,
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of course, had to score with an extra attacker with less than two minutes
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to play. Dominique Petrie got that goal. Then she scored in the fourth
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overtime on a power play that game last week, But Clarkston does. That's
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what they've been doing. That's you cannot count them out until the final horn.
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That's I think what we've seen. Right. Yeah, one hundred and
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twenty five minutes and forty four seconds fell just a little bit short of being
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the longest game in NCAA tournament history. That's now behind second behind Wisconsin's one
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thing win over Harvard in four overtimes and two thousand and seven the quarterfinals that
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when lasted one twenty seven h nine. So yeah, that and it looked
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like, I don't know, maybe you saw this too. I'm not sure
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if I was maybe just in, you know, picturing things that I want
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that you know, maybe fit in with that time that they amount of time
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that they played, But it felt like the legs were getting really really heavy.
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And then the third overtime and then especially in the fourth because there were
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a lot of you know, just kind of long hopeful shots that like,
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hey, maybe this will go in. Then we can be done here,
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Yeah, for sure, and like who blames them? Right, Like that
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is that is a whole game and then some and uh, nobody's prepared for
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that. That's just and they are that the you they went full out for
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those first three periods, Like it was a really great, evenly matched game.
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That like that's why I was talking vote you know last week going into
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this, Like I was excited to see these two teams play each other and
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how they're how they matched up against each other. And so they played hard
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for three periods and then had to play four more, three and a half
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more. But yeah, and I think that's particularly the power play there,
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So you're already tired, right, and then then you're on the penalty kill
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if you're Minnesota in that situation. And yeah, it was Uh that game
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started an hour before the one in Madison. We did full post game,
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which takes longer during NCAA's like full press conferences. We both wrote our stories
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and we left Lavon and that game was still happening. It so just to
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like it was over five hours long. Just give people an idea of how
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long that game lasted, how long those girls were skating for, Like just
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an absolute athletic showcase they put on. But yeah, tharks and squeaks.
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So that last the goal in the final two minutes is they've been wont to
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do and me and I would be anybody who is thinking about heaving to play
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them should very much be practicing that like two minute drill for lack of a
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better term. Right, So that is the regionals that left us with ohiose
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Clarkson, Wisconsin and Colgate in the Frozen four, which we will discuss shortly.
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But before we get there, before we take a quick break, I
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wanted to mention we have awards season again happening this week. Patty Casmier Award
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will be announced on Saturday. That's a twelve thirty pm Eastern ceremony at the
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Whitmore Center Arena in Durham, New Hampshire. It's also going to be on
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NHL Network. The top three vote getters will be there as finalists. Isy
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Daniel of Cornell, Casey O'Brien of Wisconsin, Kristen Simms of Wisconsin. So
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the Badgers have two of those three finalists they will play Friday night and then
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see I well one of those two players ends up with the Trophy or or
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if it goes to easy Daniel. So we also have a Goalie of the
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Year award being announced at some point this week, along with all Americans and
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those Coaches of the Year I believe will be announced the goalie of your finalists.
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You happen to know them off the top of your head, Nicole Are
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do we know yet that? Am I allowed to say it? No?
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I don't know. Well, it'll be a surprise. We'll let the award
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speak for itself when it comes out. I think we can all probably imagine
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who the names to watch for on this list. There are a couple of
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them are playing in the Frozen Four this week. I mean the goalies that
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have gotten teams there Michelle Nick for Clarkson, Reagan Kirk for Ohio State,
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probably pretty decent chances of being that award. Yeah, I was pretty excited.
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I have to say this was the hardest I thought about, or I
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had to ponder on who to vote for for Patty has didn't the end the
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three that I had as my top three or the three that were announced.
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It's just in years i've done this, there've been some pretty straightforward, obvious
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choices, and I think there was I think any time you've got teammates,
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it's difficult to make to decide you know, who's to make the differentiate differentiation
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and you know who might quote unquote deserve it more than the other. And
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then there was discussion about players that weren't necessarily it just it got more complicated
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and I was really hoping somebody would convince me, and that did not happen.
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And so then I waffled all day long on Monday, about last week
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before I had to to send my voted and I was definitely trying to make
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sure that I wasn't only voting for Badgers because they're who I've seen in person
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and I'm most familiar with. But in the end, that is, however
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the people voted to and so that made me feel better that I was I
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had checked myself appropriately. I think, if there's anyone that's watched more hockey
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than you this season involving these players, they're well, I don't think there
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probably is. Everybody else has a life. No, I did, h
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Yeah, I was. It's just, you know, it's something that I
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try to be aware of. It's it's much easier to tell, you know,
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the strengths of a player when you see them play live, particularly with
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the quality of streams that we get, you know, and I try to
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watch a lot of hockey, but then sometimes that means I'm not watching any
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hockey really well, I've got too much hockey going. And so I just
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I do take it really seriously and want to make sure that, like I,
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you know, there's there's no way to avoid some of your biases,
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like this is where I live, these are the games that I watch.
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I would love, you know, to make enough money to travel and go
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to more games, but I bet you all can imagine that that's not what
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happens when covering women's hockey. So yeah, it's it was just something that
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I was really aware of that I didn't want to be to be biased in
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any way, and and so I really listened to what, you know,
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what was said in the conversations by coaches who had seen all the players.
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So I was really happy to the to in the end just because I had
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like I was texting Todd, I was like, I don't know what to
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do, and I was like asking my husband, who goes to a bunch
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of the games and things like that, and so I just I think I
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needed like somebody to tell me that it was okay to vote for those two
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And I just wanted to make sure that I was, you know, doing
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right by by the people that are up for it and that that we take
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it seriously. So yeah, I it was just it was a different experience
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because in the years past it's kind of been a little more clear cut for
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me. So it was interesting the first time since twenty thirteen that team has
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had multiple of the final three h and that in twenty thirteen Minnesota had all
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three of the final three. And in all of those cases, I think
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it's happened five times before this that one of the players from that team that
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had the multiples ended up winning the award. And so I'd always thought that,
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you know, do do players you know that, Does that indicate that
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it's a split? Yeah, but that doesn't seem to bear out when when
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looking at the history of things. One, I think, of course you
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look to and check that and you would know that, friends, that is
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still very todd to do that. Uh. And secondly, like that's that
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is really interesting. H Yeah. They sent us, you guys, they
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sent us an NCAA record book pdf last week and Todd had it printed out
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and bound with him at Lebon this weekend. So and it got used.
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I will it got used several times. I am going to tease but also
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be a little jealous. Well, but it was very unbrand for you.
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I will say that the the women's record book obviously has a lot fewer years
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in it than the men's one, and therefore is a lot less taxing on
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my back in my backpack. So I'm okay with that. Yeah, No,
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we all we were all looking well, none of us knew we were
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going to be looking at overtime records as right, but there it is,
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right and quickest first goals of games and things like that, right for sure,
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that's all in there all right. When we come back, we are
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going to take a close look at the first frozen fourth semifinal Ohio State versus
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Clarkson. So stay with us on the podcast. Hi, and welcome back
25:22
to the podcast. I'm Nicole Hasey, He's Todd Maleski. We're going to
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talk about the first semi final. They'll be played this Friday, four pm
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Eastern. Will be number one Ohio State first, number four Clarkson. I
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think there feels feels like the consensus from folks I've talked to kind of across
25:44
the board feel like Ohio State is the team to beat for everybody that it
25:48
seems unlikely that they don't. They don't feel very stoppable at the moment.
25:52
Poor Clerkson coming off the having played two full games bit of their weekend.
25:57
Lucky for them at least they didn't also then have to do a bunch of
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travel. They had hosts of that game. But yeah, it's uh,
26:03
they definitely got a tough hill to climb in this, this first semi final
26:07
this weekend. Yeah, the the thing that jumps out to me is that,
26:12
you know, look at season long stats and Ohio State has been the
26:18
best offense. Uh, they kind of were running neck and neck with Wisconsin
26:22
for a long time and and now they've they've taken over the number one spot
26:25
there at five point three goals a game. Clarkson is the best defense in
26:29
the country at one point two to one goals allowed for game. So that's
26:33
that's gonna be put to the test. Obviously, We're going to see how
26:37
how much, uh you know, that can withstand. Because I feel like
26:44
we saw this last week Ohio State got dinged in the w C HG Championship
26:48
game, gave up six goals and they were upset and they were you know,
26:55
you felt like they were going to use that. And then we saw
26:57
them come out and put up nine on the with and win nine nothing.
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And that was, you know to me, uh, you know, more
27:03
than I thought, but not more than I thought they could do. I
27:07
guess, uh, we know, yeah, that's there, and it just
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it just all came together for them and and they kept things rolling. And
27:17
we know they have the the skills and the players to do that. Uh
27:19
and the depth, I mean really to do that. It's not like a
27:22
one line thing or they're they're running out you know, the same two lines
27:26
are are doing all the damage. It's it's it's a lot of people that
27:30
are contributing to to what's going on, both offensively and defensively. And then
27:33
so I think Clarkson's gonna have have its handsful in stopping that. But you
27:40
know, they've they've had experience in having to stop high powered offenses this season,
27:45
so so I I think, yeah, if you're you're you're leaning one
27:51
way at Ohio State here, But I wouldn't like we're talking about before.
27:55
Don't let Clarkson stay close towards the end because uh, there's there's their chance
27:59
to get right back in. It is uh, it is playing it close
28:03
till the end and then uh swooping in and making things happen. Yeah,
28:08
I mean, forgive me if this is a little too cliche, but it
28:11
does. The Ohio State feels a little like the Hulk. You don't like
28:15
you won't like me when I'm angry, because that's that's kind of there's that
28:19
Nino feels a little bit like a Hulk smash, Like yeah, I you
28:23
know, at the press conference after losing to Wisconsin the WHA Tournament, to
28:29
Nadie mazer Al said she hopes her team's fisted off and like will yep,
28:33
I think they were yep, And uh, I think they used that.
28:36
And she is master motivator for her team, Like you know that that was
28:41
you know, sort of on the tip of everybody's tongue, never far from
28:45
anybody's mind for the past week. And so it was already, you know,
28:49
they're already the number one deep in the country. They were already a
28:52
juggernaut, and then you sort of added all this extra bit to it and
28:56
and now they had that huge win at home, and it feels a little
28:59
bit like a bould around rolling down the mountain. But one thing that I
29:03
think will be interesting, and as you mentioned, Clarkson's strong defense, but
29:07
like Clerkson's two leading scorers are defenders. So if you have to be focusing
29:12
so much on defense to slow down a team like Ohio State, what does
29:17
that do to Clerkson's ability to have a potent offense. I mean, I
29:22
think you know, we saw we've seen them be like beat Colegate, like
29:26
have the ability to still do that. But I do think that will be
29:29
interesting. The other thing is that Ohio State is usually usually the team that
29:33
had a really strong defender scoring for them with Sophie Jakes, but they haven't
29:37
had to play against one in quite the same that Like, obviously KK Harvey
29:41
is good but win and is like at the back at the blue line,
29:48
and it's just a different way. I don't know how to like, those
29:49
are different type of defenders and so in terms of like preparing for those shots
29:55
from the blue line from Gosling and when, and that will be interesting just
29:59
to see sort of how the two teams prepare for each other. But yeah,
30:02
a lot of Parkinson's offensive playmaking comes from their defenders, and not just
30:07
out of the back, but like at the blue line. And so if
30:10
they are playing, you know, sort of a stronger, stouter defense to
30:14
try and slow down Ohio State, then then they're gonna need some of the
30:18
rest of their players to really pick it up a little more. But you
30:21
know, Dominicq Petrie obviously had both those goals, and like they have players
30:25
that are capable of doing it, they just haven't had to, and so
30:29
it'll be interesting, you know, like it's an interesting time to try and
30:32
have to figure that out. One of the things I tend to look towards
30:37
in in you know, one shot games or you know, one single elimination
30:41
games are special teams because well, you never really know how many power plays
30:47
you're going to get, what kind of game it's going to be, whether
30:48
the referees are going to you know, let let things go or be really
30:52
stringing on things. I feel like we're at a point where I've seen a
30:57
lot more let go than probably you know, would have expected in some games.
31:03
But if it comes down to special teams, we're looking at a Clerkson
31:11
team that has the best you know, along with the best defense, the
31:14
best penalty kill in the country, and it's fifth on the power play.
31:18
Ohio State's only ninth on the power play and has the nineteenth best penalty kill,
31:21
and so those are not numbers I would have expected out of them,
31:25
but they do so well at five on five that it kind of makes it
31:29
moot sometimes that they're kind of that that they're not excelling on special teams I
31:33
guess, right, And then to go back to the fact that it may
31:37
not be a power play, but that should it come down to close at
31:41
the end, Clerkson is going to pull their goalie and play with the man
31:45
advantage. That something that they've done very very well. So it is a
31:48
kin to a power play, and again they are quite good at it.
31:52
And Ohio State's penalty kill has not is not do not match the rest of
31:56
their proficiency. Right right, right be interesting And just to the eye test,
32:00
I would say is that we're most likely going to see Hockey East refs,
32:06
and I thought that they really let things go and let the teams play
32:10
in the game that we had in Madison. Just to the eye test,
32:15
so I think I thought that maybe it would be like the they would be
32:19
called the game a little tighter than they did. There were some hits there
32:22
that I thought were you know, could have been penalties that that you know,
32:25
they they let go as you know, they were not necessarily intentional contact,
32:31
but they were contact nonetheless, and and so that kind of raised the
32:36
question of well, you know, where does that where does that line sit?
32:39
Right, there was an open ice hit and the clerks in Minnesota came
32:44
that didn't kick. Yeah, So anyway, all of that is to say,
32:47
you know, all the refs and all the conferences sort of have reputations
32:51
about like what we think it'll look like, and I'm not sure that that
32:53
played out last weekend. So that definitely I think leaves some question marks.
32:59
I'm like, what these games might look like and how they'll be called.
33:01
Yeah, these teams both score first a lot, and so that's obviously a
33:07
big part of their success. Really, all four of these teams that are
33:10
in the Frozen four score first a lot of Ohio State twenty seven to two
33:15
when scoring first, and Clarkson twenty eight and one. So that's you know,
33:22
obviously a big part of dictating the way a game is played. Whether
33:25
you're chasing or able to play with the lead, and so I think that's
33:30
something to watch for and who gets the first goal, but maybe even more
33:35
who controls the first five minutes ten minutes to start on a better foot,
33:40
because if you're Clerkson, you definitely don't want to fall behind and have to
33:45
be chasing Ohe State at that point. No, And the other thing is
33:47
that I think this was going to be something of a foot race to begin
33:52
with. That's just Ohio State's style and knowing how tired Clarkson is, They're
33:58
absolutely going to push pay here and they're gonna try and wear it tire them
34:02
out, and so I think Clerkson just needs to be smart about making sure
34:07
that they still have gas in the tank or the third period or anything that
34:10
might come after. But I think we've seen teams, I think particularly this
34:15
postseason, we've seen teams play really well for two periods against the squad and
34:19
then kind of taper off in the third and that's when the game gets blown
34:22
open. And so I just think there really has to be smart management of
34:28
the pace of play and not chasing Ohio State too much so that they don't
34:32
have anything left in the tank in the third period. And like I said,
34:36
I think that would have been Ohio State's plan anyway. But knowing how
34:39
exhausted Clerkson has to be after playing you know, two whole games in one
34:44
day, I think that is absolutely going to be like a point of emphasis
34:49
for Ohio States to really try and push Clerkson up and down the ice.
34:54
The other thing that I think, for me, I think will be interesting
34:57
is probably just like goals in the dirty areas, how I don't gritty goals.
35:02
Both these goalies are going to be, you know, finalists for Goalie
35:06
the Year. We think, we know that they're you know, some of
35:08
the best in the country. We know that we've got really great shooters,
35:13
but like you know, Clarkson is gonna block shots. They are, I
35:15
think they've got like more than one hundred blocks more than Ohio State. Like
35:19
they're gonna get in front of the puck. They're gonna do what they can.
35:22
But it's about like getting in those dirty areas and putting shots that are
35:24
gonna force the goalie to give up a rebound, not just putting them in
35:29
a bread basket. And this is in both directions. I think both teams
35:32
have to focus on not just putting the puck on net for no reason,
35:37
but like with a purpose and having people be able to stake some claim in
35:42
front of the net using size, because I do think you know, Clerkson
35:46
Clerks and these defenders are are quite big, and so it will be interesting
35:50
to see sort of like how the lines shakeout and who's going to be able
35:53
to find that space up front. Both of these teams are on some pretty
35:58
good runs here too. Ohio States only lost twice in twenty twenty four,
36:04
both of those who were two Wisconsin, So another team that's in the Frozen
36:07
four. Clarkson's only lost once in his last nine and that was the Colgates
36:13
in the championship game with THECAC Hockey. So there's there you have to be
36:19
going in. You know, you have to play your best at the best
36:22
at the end of the season and the most important games. And I feel
36:27
like these are teams that have had a couple of hiccups, but have you
36:31
know, maybe you know, learned out of that, and that's what you
36:35
have to do when you when you don't win a game, you have to
36:37
figure out, well, what happened? Why could we be better? I
36:42
think we saw how State definitely did that at least from a motivation standpoint,
36:46
Clarkson had to had to grit it out and and and get something done in
36:51
in the regionals after losing in the ECAC championship game. So yeah, some
36:58
some teams that are definitely playing pretty well going into the Frozen War here.
37:04
Yeah, I mean, the other thing that we could say is talking about
37:07
like common opponents, And the one thing I'll say is that Clerks and you
37:10
know, need to disclore that Lake goal and needed seven periods to beat Minnesota,
37:15
and Ohio State handled Minnesota this year, and so just kind of looking
37:20
at those matchups that will be interesting as well. I loved Ohio State Colgate
37:24
to open the season, but now I wish that game those games came later
37:29
in the season because I feel like I want to know how they would match
37:31
up now. But yeah, I feel for everybody because it does it Ohio
37:38
State feels a little inevitable. I have to say, yeah, before we
37:43
go on, we're going to take a break and go on to preview Wisconsin
37:46
against Colgate. I think it's worth mentioning that this is a replay of the
37:51
twenty eighteen tournament. Yeah, in Minneapolis, that one you know, and
37:57
so in wha territory, the ECAC came in and and swept the way that
38:01
cha in overtime, Clarkson beat Ohio State won nothing in overtime. Colgate beat
38:07
Wisconsin four three and double overtime, and then Clarkson won the championship and in
38:12
an extra session against Colgate. So some some interesting flashbacks there too, it
38:19
is, and you know, like that was Ohio State's first ever frozen four
38:22
mean, just coming off of crazy how much things have shifted for them in
38:28
this six years since. Right, Yeah, we'll get into some of what
38:35
we I think. I hope Wisconsin would have learned from that game and Colgate
38:38
would have learned from that game because I thought that was a really interesting matchup.
38:42
But yeah, it was Clarkson needed, you know, sort of had
38:45
the bigger stars at that point, and and those stars took over the game,
38:50
right, Like Elizabeth Gagear was huge in that game. And so it
38:53
may be who what individual effort, Like who's gonna step up and be the
38:58
person? Because neither these teams has sort of one player that has been their
39:02
superstar, right like they've it's been scoring by committee on both sides, and
39:07
so maybe it's that you know, you need a Hannah Bilka to be and
39:12
she was, you know, has been even bigger than you know, then
39:15
we know she can be the past couple of weeks. But like maybe it's
39:20
it's somebody that has to step up and be even bigger, you know what
39:23
I'm saying. I talk about like players that get the look in their eye
39:28
that like, f this, I'm not gonna let my team lose, and
39:30
like who's gonna Who's going to be that player for either of these teams?
39:34
Yep, we'll find that out on Friday, that's the first semifinal, four
39:37
pm Eastern time in New Hampshire. When we come back, we will talk
39:43
about Wisconsin and Colgate in the second semifinal. Stay with us on the podcast.
39:53
Welcome back to the podcast and our special look at the Frozen Four.
39:58
I'm Todd Mleuski here in the Cole Hasey and we are on to the second
40:01
semi final, which is Wisconsin against Colgate. These are teams that played for
40:07
a spot in the Frozen Four last season at Colgate and Wisconsin won that one
40:14
as the sixth seed, beating Colgate, which was the three seed last season.
40:20
Colgate again the three seed this season, Wisconsin. The two these are
40:24
teams that you know, so there's some familiarity there with with the teams.
40:30
Obviously some pieces are different this season. I look at both of these teams
40:38
being in the top three in scoring, Wisconsin second, Cold Skate third,
40:45
Colgate's second in defense, Wisconsin is sixth. This is a a game that
40:53
could get up there if if the the offenses are able to play it with
41:00
some pace. And I wonder if that's if either one will try and avoid
41:05
that or if they'll just kind of both want to, you know, say
41:09
here, here's our best. You wouldn't try and stop it now? Yeah?
41:15
I think so that. You know, we mentioned that these teams met
41:17
in twenty eighteen, and I felt like Wisconsin really froze in that game.
41:22
I think they hadn't really seen a style of play like Colgates, where you
41:28
know, they really embraced their replay free and it's not systemless, but it
41:31
is system fluid, and I think Wisconsin really struggled with what to do with
41:38
that, and I felt like they held off for quite a while right that
41:42
went into two overtimes, but eventually Colgate went out and I think that there
41:46
has to be lessons for the Badgers, and that in being able to take
41:52
on that fluidity and change their own style and their own approach. I think
41:57
that there was probably some some humble pot in terms of like I think they
42:00
thought they just could play their game and they were going to take what nobody
42:04
could handle it kind of thing, and that was not the case. And
42:08
so I would say, if you're a Badger fan, one of the positive
42:12
you can take out of last weekend is how well they adapted to Saint Lawrence.
42:15
As we said, it did take till a little bit later in the
42:17
game, but they did really change their approach. Like what wasn't working.
42:22
They weren't able to take the puck up the ice and through the neutral zone
42:27
with speed the way they wanted, and they started using the boards and and
42:30
you know, moving the puck and getting around that way and really did change
42:34
the way that they were trying to enter the zone. And so I think
42:37
that that is a positive. Like those are two things that stood out to
42:40
me when I was thinking about this in terms of like how these Tube teams
42:44
matched up before and how you know, Wisconsin played this past week. But
42:47
yeah, it's a there they're pretty similar styles. There's a fluidity, there's
42:54
depth, there's shots that are come from every part of the I US.
43:00
You've got, you know, finesse players, You've got a couple of really
43:02
hard shots. You've got threats from the blue line, like the up and
43:07
down. Like you said, the statistics everything like these two matchup really well.
43:09
And it's what's going to make it a really fascinating game. I think
43:14
if I'm looking at the numbers right that I jotted down here is this six
43:20
of the top eight scores in the country are on these two teams, if
43:23
I'm remembering it right. So I mean, yeah, there's the potential for
43:27
this to to get up there. And then so then you look at you
43:30
know, how will the goalies account for that? How much are they going
43:36
to have to have a say in things? And Kaylie Osborne for Colgate has
43:40
has put up a nine to forty two, say percentage. Jama McNaughton for
43:44
the Badgers is nine thirty three. It's you know, it's it's a lot
43:51
to ask of a goalie, you know. And we can really say this
43:53
about all these teams when when the opponent has has the firepower, has a
43:59
good deal of firepower. So then you maybe you take a step out too,
44:04
and you say, who's who's gonna be better through the neutral zone and
44:07
who's going to be to be better defending through the neutral zone? So those
44:10
are the the things that might end up being really critical in in in you
44:16
know, a team not being able to take over if if you're able to
44:21
hold them down and and eliminate easy zone entries. I think that is kind
44:27
of where you you start to to to say, well, look this is
44:30
you know, you're you're not getting anything easy or free on us. If
44:36
you can play that way, uh, defensively and with structure that way,
44:40
that's uh that lets you you know, have a have a pretty good hold
44:45
on on the way you know, playing the game you want to play it.
44:49
And so that's that's something I'll be looking forward when this game comes up
44:53
on Fridays. Who's who's able to I guess, be be more in control
45:00
of the way they want to play it? Yeah? I think who is?
45:06
They're both possession teams, right, so like something's got to give there
45:09
and I think maybe not this year, but years past when you would see
45:14
the Badgers and Gophers and it ends up being like arguably ugly hockey in that
45:17
there's like very little possession and patna, the finesse and prettiness, and it's
45:22
just about, you know, like who who can make the plays and who
45:25
can can hold the puck when they're getting pressure, when time and space is
45:30
gone, and you know, it's kind of like the puck is jumping all
45:32
over the place at all times, and how can you handle it when you
45:36
don't get to play the game you want to be playing. So that will
45:39
be interesting. I will say, you know, like Wisconsin wants to not
45:43
just be quick, but they want to get to the net quickly on that
45:45
transition. They don't want to let the defense set up in front of them.
45:50
I mean they know from the WHA with teams like Bmidgi and things like
45:53
that, they don't want to give teams the opportunity to sort of create that
45:58
fortress in front of of the nuts. So, you know, I think
46:00
for Colgate it's about like you said, in transition, particularly like Wisconsin is
46:05
already starting off down the ice before they fully have control of the puck on
46:08
defense, and so they have to anticipate that and not let the Badgers get
46:15
breakaways, not let Casey O'Brien take off things like that, and I think
46:20
Colgate is probably better when they are set in the zone than the Badgers are.
46:27
But Wisconsin is gonna if they do get sort of set in the zone
46:30
and don't get those early opportunities, They're going to try and just really move
46:32
the puck quickly, so they're you know, gonna circle it around and cycle
46:37
it around and try to basically sort of create that fast zone entry. And
46:40
so I think if you get them sort of stuck in the zone and just
46:44
kind of like passing statically, Colgate's better in that situation than the Badgers are.
46:51
I think on offense, if the Colgates got it in the zone is
46:53
passing it around, I think they're they just handled that a little better.
46:57
That's the the Badger style doesn't let it to that very well. When we
47:00
talk about teams that want to play possession games, a lot of times,
47:05
what fuels that is having an advantage in face offs, and we've seen where
47:09
Wisconsin can use that to its advantage a lot. This season. I mean,
47:14
Casey O'Brien is one of the best in the country, winning just under
47:17
sixty percent for the season, which you know over thirty nine games whatever it
47:23
is now is a pretty pretty good number. But I know that there's going
47:31
to be you know, some opportunities there for you know, for trying to
47:37
gain possession off of face offs, and that may be some one area where
47:39
Wisconsin can gain an advantage if O'Brien is able to win at that rate.
47:46
Yeah, you know, Casey's face off ability in the fact that she sort
47:51
of perfected that, like took the off season and came back to do it
47:53
as one of the reasons she was high on my voting for petty Hits.
47:57
So definitely it's something that I didn't appreciate as a really important part of the
48:01
game when I first came around, and have really grown to understand, particularly
48:06
in women's hoke, how important it is to be able to walk away with
48:09
that puck and make a difference when you're you know, if you have younger
48:13
goalies or you have younger defense, things like that. But you know,
48:16
Danielle, Sir Dakney takes a bunch of their face offs. They kind of
48:21
colgate splits it a little more, you know, Sir Dakney, calton Kova
48:23
and Nina Bricks seem to switch off taking that They each, you know,
48:30
have taken what about five hundred each, and so Nina Brick seems to be
48:34
pretty pretty tirn good at it. She's at sixty three percent. So yeah,
48:37
face offs could be a really interesting and important part, a detail in
48:40
this game that people should pay attention to. One thing that stood out to
48:44
me looking at some numbers. Again, Colgates won thirty one games when scoring
48:49
first, thirty one and one. They've won thirty two games total, so
48:53
they're pretty good at getting that first goal and then dictating the way the game
48:59
is played. Think that's that's something that we talked about in the Ohio State
49:04
Clarson game. That seems like another really important factor here too. Yeah,
49:09
it was only really interesting because the Badgers scored quick and then that seems like,
49:14
oh goodness, is what's going to happen in this game. And then
49:15
then they didn't score again for quite a while in their quarterfinals, so that
49:19
did not necessarily was not the harbinger of the way the game's going to go.
49:23
So I thought that was just interesting contrast between the two. And you
49:27
know, the Badgers kind of have a reputation for a slow start and so
49:31
you know, they've They've obviously been better in this postseason than overall I think
49:35
we've seen from them. But that will be an interesting Like you said,
49:37
those first few minutes are just really going to be crucial. H I wonder
49:42
how much you think the revenge factor comes into play here for Colgate. I
49:46
don't think that, you know, it's it's for on Wisconsin side. It's
49:50
been six years since that NCAA Tournament game in Minneapolis that Colgate won, but
49:57
it's it's still pretty fresh for I would imagine for a lot of the players
50:00
that were there last season and had hopes of getting to the Frozen Four and
50:05
played at home, but had Wisconsin come in and and and win that game
50:08
and kind of, you know, take it away from them, I would
50:13
feel like that's probably a factor going into this. Yeah. Absolutely, And
50:17
I mean this is fundamentally the same Colgate roster that they had. You know,
50:22
there are a couple of new faces, obviously, but this team that's
50:24
why you know they were bringing highly coming into the season and why you know
50:28
they've been sort of top ranked and a pick for for the national championship since
50:32
day one because they had a ton of experience, you know, where everybody
50:36
else has to sort of get used to their new team and figure out lines
50:39
and things. They mostly just kind of skated on the ice as a continuation
50:44
from last year. So as you said, there's there's definitely I think got
50:45
to be some some lingering like this is ours, like we're we want this
50:52
so and they also have you know, sird Acne is just such a huge
50:54
part of this program and really helped bring them to a different level and so,
50:59
you know, being her senior year and some of that, you know,
51:01
some of the nostalgia and that part of that, the feelings of like
51:06
we want to win this for people that were so important to us. Yeah,
51:09
Colgate has the second best power play in the country thirty five percent.
51:15
So if we get into like we're talking about a special team's game, Coldgate's
51:21
that thirty five percent of Wisconsin's at thirty one percent and third. And I
51:23
one of the things I remember about that that twenty eighteen game. Not to
51:28
go back to this too much because that that is a while ago, but
51:31
I think Colgates scored three times on the power play in that game, and
51:35
including the game winner in the second overtime, which was unusual against the Badgers
51:43
that season that they had a really good penalty kill and and so that's if
51:46
you're able to break that down, if you're able to get a few more
51:50
chances on the power play, even if you only have one or two power
51:52
plays, if you if you capitalize that, that that's a game changer.
51:55
That's a you know, especially in the game we're thinking is going to be
51:59
close, that's that's huge, right, And then in the other direction,
52:05
the kill is huge, So it's it's going to be a massive momentum swing
52:07
for whomever you know comes out ahead on that power play. So yeah,
52:13
the again, how the games officiated, how the players play, how disciplined
52:19
everybody can be, I think really will will play into the outcome of this
52:22
one. Yeah, well, I think we know these these games are gonna
52:27
be fun. And when you get to the Frozen four, that's you know,
52:30
obviously there's a lot on the line, but you're getting the best teams
52:32
there, and you should be getting some of the best games. House say
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Clarkson's four pm Eastern on Friday, followed by Wisconsin and Colgates seven thirty pm
52:42
Eastern on Friday. Both of those are on ESPN Plus on stream and are
52:47
not free. Just a reminder to everybody you do need to pay the monthly
52:52
ESPM plus costs. So I think there was questions about that, and I
52:55
think some people thought they were told they were free for the quarterfinals and all
52:59
this sort of stuff. But when ESPN brought the bought the broadcasting rights,
53:04
they bought the right to do what they wanted with it. So if you
53:07
plan on watching those games, you do need to be subscribed to ESPN Plus.
53:10
There may have been some miscommunication because the games that were on BTN Plus
53:15
were free to watch even if you didn't have US, because they aren't the
53:17
rights holder. And then the championship game four o'clock Sunday on ESPNU, so
53:23
that's a full televised broadcast assuming you get ESPNU as part of your package,
53:30
which I guess is not a given, but also on ESPN Plus as well.
53:37
That's gonna pretty much wrap up our look at the Frozen four in the
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two semi finals. We did want to mention that Nicole has some some stickers
53:47
that she has made, and so if you're going to be in Durham and
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if you see us on the concourse or anything like that, please say hello.
53:55
Let us know you're a listener. We'd love to hear that. We
53:58
love some feedback, absolutely, Nicolie, You've want to describe these stickers and
54:02
what people can be on the lookout for there. Sure, it's just a
54:07
small oval vinyl sticker. It's got our logo. It has Patty with her
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54:23
of came about quickly mid year for us, but we've been we've been having
54:28
great feedback. We we love that people are listening. We love that you're
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54:35
about them every week. So we really appreciate you all. And even if
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to remember. We think that we our press box takes us along the concourse,
54:45
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54:49
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casual. It might be easier to stop us, but you can definitely message
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O dot com. Nicole will have some stuff ahead of the Frozen four and
55:13
then all the coverage from the Frozen four in Durham So and our plan is
55:16
will definitely do a wrap up episode and then we were talking, we'll probably
55:21
talk a little bit about worlds and when things start to kick up with the
55:24
Transfer portal and anything else that might come up, we will do some more
55:28
episodes in the off season. I'll just go ahead and apologize now for my
55:31
dog. Are weing in the background? I'm sorry, everybody. I have
55:35
a basset holm. That's what he sounds like. We're talking. Ripley should
55:38
be part of the show at some point, so yeah, so I apologize
55:42
he's being very noisy today. But yeah, we will not be saying goodbye
55:46
until September and when this is over. So we're excited to keep talking about
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women talking and we're so glad that you guys are here listening. On that
55:54
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and make sure you stay around for next week's wrap up and then into the
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future. So for Nicole Hasey and Todd Mluski, thanks for listening to us
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