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“FRIENDS” MATTHEW PERRY OD DEATH IN HOT TUB: Doctor to Plead Guilty? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: TV superstar Matthew Perry, dead of a drug overdose in
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Speaker 2: his hot tub, the star of Friends. His doctor now
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Speaker 2: agrees to plead guilty in Matthew Perry's tragic ketamine overdose death.
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Speaker 1: What happened?
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Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 2: being with us in the Last Days Friends star. Matthew
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Speaker 2: Perry's doctor, doctor Salvador Placincia, agrees to plead guilty four
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Speaker 2: counts ketamine distribution following Perry's shock death. Placentia, nicknamed Doctor P,
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Speaker 2: faces a statutory maximum sentence of forty years in federal prison.
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Speaker 2: Now right now, he has not entered that plea, but
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Speaker 2: he says he agrees to plead guilty.
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Speaker 1: Will he do it?
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Speaker 2: This leaves only the Ketymene Queen Javin Senga as a
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Speaker 2: defendant who has not taken a plea deal. First of all,
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Speaker 2: let's start with disgraced doctor Placincia.
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Speaker 1: What happened to Matthew Perry?
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Speaker 2: First of all, the same way I like to start
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Speaker 2: every jury trial.
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Speaker 1: Let me start with the nine to one one call.
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Speaker 3: Listen three as on radio in part of the drowning
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Speaker 3: process for a few drew three.
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Speaker 2: You can't tell a lot, but I learned something significant.
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Speaker 2: Let's hear that one more time, said.
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Speaker 3: Three signs and radio as one of the drowning across
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Speaker 3: between three give us.
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Speaker 2: Now, some of those numbers are universal. Sometimes you hear
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Speaker 2: numbers across a police ban or on an ems.
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Speaker 1: That are specific to that region.
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Speaker 2: But what I'm hearing that really jumps out at me
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Speaker 2: is response to the drowning. So at the beginning, it
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Speaker 2: was believed that the friends start died of drowning because
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Speaker 2: that's what was reported to them.
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Speaker 1: But what do we really know? Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our friends at crime online.
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Speaker 4: The Los Angeles Medical Examiner determined that fifty four year
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Speaker 4: old Matthew Perry died from the acute effects of ketamine.
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Speaker 4: Other contributing factors listed were drowning, coronary artery disease, and
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Speaker 4: the effects of Buprenorphineprenorphine is used to treat opioid use disorder.
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Speaker 4: The manner of death has been ruled an accident.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: See, I'm a trial lawyer, and that is why the
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Speaker 2: medical examiners and everybody at the crime lab would go
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Speaker 2: hide under their desk when they saw my beat up
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Speaker 2: Honda pulling up, because they knew I was going to
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Speaker 2: go through it line by line literally to make sense
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Speaker 2: of what they wrote down in their scientific findings. What
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Speaker 2: acute effects of ketamine. Other contributing factors were drowning, coronary
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Speaker 2: artery disease, be prefer blue blue used to treat opioid disorder,
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Speaker 2: manner of death, accident.
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Speaker 1: There's so much there.
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Speaker 2: I could do a whole flow chart on that to
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Speaker 2: try to explain all that to a jury. Luckily we
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Speaker 2: have experts with us. But first I'm going to go
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Speaker 2: to a special guest joining us, Miguel Melendez, joining us,
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Speaker 2: senior writer for E T Entertainment tonight.
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Speaker 1: Miguel, what a pleasure to have you on. Man. This
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Speaker 1: sent shock.
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Speaker 2: Waves through not only Hollywood, but across our country. Because
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Speaker 2: I'm going to follow this up with our shrink, Karen Stark.
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Speaker 1: We think we know Matthew Perry.
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Speaker 2: Why because we've seen him on the big screen, we've
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Speaker 2: seen him on the little screen. We follow him in
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Speaker 2: the tabloids. We think we know him and about his life.
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Speaker 2: We've been following his struggle with addiction, and a lot
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Speaker 2: of people can identify with that. If you haven't had
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Speaker 2: that struggle in somebody, you know somebody close to you
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Speaker 2: has had that struggle. So Matthew Perry was kind of
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Speaker 2: like every man that was struggling with a lot. But
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Speaker 2: to you, Miguel Melendez, I want to go before I
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Speaker 2: get into Matthew Perry himself and how it ended up
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Speaker 2: this way, I want to talk to you about what happened,
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Speaker 2: what surrounded the discovery of Matthew Perry dead in a
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Speaker 2: hot tub leading up to that. Tell me about the
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Speaker 2: discovery and what came out at the time that he
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Speaker 2: was first discovered dead in hot tub.
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Speaker 5: Right, So, what we know of the timeline is that
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Speaker 5: at eleven am, Matthew had played pickleball. At one thirty
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Speaker 5: seven PM is when Matthew was last known to be
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Speaker 5: alive by his personal living assistant to live with him
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Speaker 5: in the Pacific Policy home. He was off to run
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Speaker 5: errand at one thirty seven PM, the living assistant returned
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Speaker 5: home and found Matthew floating face down in the jacuzzi.
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Speaker 5: The assistant jumped into the pool, moved Matthew into the
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Speaker 5: sitting position on the steps of the pool, and found
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Speaker 5: him by the way on the heated side of the
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Speaker 5: pool called nine one one. Paramedics arrived and they moved
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Speaker 5: and they pulled Matthew out of the.
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Speaker 2: Puskay, hold on, Miguel, You're giving me so much information
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Speaker 2: so quickly. I'm drinking from the fire hydrate because Miguel,
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Speaker 2: you know, I like to dissect every single sentence, and
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Speaker 2: I loved everything you just said as far as factually
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Speaker 2: what I'm learning.
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Speaker 1: Could you say it again and very slowly? Okay? Did
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Speaker 1: you say the living assistant him?
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Speaker 5: Yes?
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Speaker 1: Okay. Why did Matthew Perry have a live and assistant?
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Speaker 2: That I can answer you, Nancy.
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Speaker 5: I don't know the exact circumstances of what led to that.
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Speaker 5: I do know that the living assistant, based on this report,
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Speaker 5: is that he administered the Detoks drugs on Matthew twice
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Speaker 5: a day.
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Speaker 1: That's important. Miguel Melendez, Hold on, Miguel, hold the thought.
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Speaker 1: Guys with me.
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Speaker 2: He's a senior writer for entertainment tonight.
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Speaker 1: You all know him.
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Speaker 2: Miguel Melndez giving us everything we need to know to
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Speaker 2: analyze this drug ketamine that claimed the life of Matthew Perry.
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Speaker 1: Karen el start joining me.
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Speaker 2: Renowned TV radio trauma expert at Karenstark dot com. Karen
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Speaker 2: with the c if you're trying to find her, Karen, So,
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Speaker 2: is it like a minder you have with AA that.
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Speaker 2: I don't think they call it a minder. They call
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Speaker 2: it something else, someone that checks in on you. It's
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Speaker 2: like your partner, your buddy. That's who you call when
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Speaker 2: you have a problem or you're going to relapse. Is
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Speaker 2: that what you think is happening here? He had somebody
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Speaker 2: to help him.
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Speaker 6: It's called a sponsor. And his assistant she was his sponsor.
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Speaker 6: She was his minder, as you said, Nancy, So she
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Speaker 6: was there. She could not stop him from taking something,
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Speaker 6: but certainly was trying. That was her role to make
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Speaker 6: sure that he was on the straight and narrow and
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Speaker 6: sticking to his determination to stop. And he was very
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Speaker 6: open about it. But he really did want to stop
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Speaker 6: taking drugs recreationally.
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Speaker 2: He really did, and he made no secret about it.
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Speaker 2: What led up to that moment Miguel Melndez is describing.
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Speaker 2: But first again, Miguel, could you tell me the assistant
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Speaker 2: comes in? You said he was near the heater end
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Speaker 2: of the hot tub.
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Speaker 7: Correct on four PM.
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Speaker 5: That live in the system walks in from running errands,
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Speaker 5: signed Matthew Perry floating space down in the jacuzzi in
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Speaker 5: the heated end.
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Speaker 1: Of the pool.
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Speaker 5: The assistant jumped into the pool, moved Matthew into the
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Speaker 5: sitting position on the steps of the pool, and.
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Speaker 7: Called nine one one.
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Speaker 5: Paramedics soon arrived pulled Matthew out of the pool onto
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Speaker 5: the grass, where he was pronounced that at the.
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Speaker 2: Scene, you know, I think I had it bass ackwars
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Speaker 2: migam melndez I was saying hot tub because I've read jacuzzie.
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Speaker 1: But was the jacuzzi or.
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Speaker 2: The hot tub part of the pool? Was he in
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Speaker 2: a pool or was he in a hot tub or chacuzi?
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Speaker 5: It looked like it was a long pool that has
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Speaker 5: a jacuzi. And then if they're not two separate.
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Speaker 2: Okay, that makes perfect sense. Okay, guys, what led up
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Speaker 2: to this moment? Take a listen to our friend Nicole Parton.
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Speaker 4: Matthew Perry went to his country club to play a
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Speaker 4: game of pickleball with friends around the lane. Am Perry
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Speaker 4: returned to his home after the game and was seen
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Speaker 4: by his assistant, who was leaving the house to run errands.
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Speaker 4: At one thirty seven pm, at four o'clock PM, the
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Speaker 4: assistant returned to the home. Investigator Jennifer Hertzog says the
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Speaker 4: assistant found Perry floating face down in the heated end
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Speaker 4: of the pool. The assistant jumped into the pool and
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Speaker 4: moved him into a sitting position on the steps.
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Speaker 1: And called nine to one one.
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Speaker 4: Paramedics responded, pulled Perry out of the pool and onto
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Speaker 4: the grass, and pronounced him dead on the scene at
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Speaker 4: four seventeen PM. His stepfather, Keith Morrison is listed as
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Speaker 4: the informant, which means the dateline host is who identified
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Speaker 4: Perry to authorities.
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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, that Muson is so horrible on the
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Speaker 2: stepfather to have to do that after the struggle he
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Speaker 2: Matthew Perry went through so publicly against substance abuse. Mike
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Speaker 2: McCormick joining me out of LA owner lead investigator mcm Investigations,
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Speaker 2: Mike McCormick, thank.
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Speaker 1: You for being with us. I'm very curious.
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Speaker 2: Matthew Perry had been so open and public about his
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Speaker 2: battle with addiction. Who I mean, even I know about
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Speaker 2: that two thousand miles away, who would be supplying him drugs,
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Speaker 2: ketamine and all the other things in his system?
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Speaker 7: It was either prescribed to him that Kennedy was prescribed,
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Speaker 7: or he's getting it off the street. There's only several
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Speaker 7: ways of doing it. My understanding is that the from
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Speaker 7: he's a assistant or past girlfriend miss edwards that she's
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Speaker 7: been involved with him off and on from about two
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Speaker 7: thousand and six, and she used to purchase his drugs
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Speaker 7: off the street for him. So the kennamine and other
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Speaker 7: drugs he may have been taking couldn't come from me.
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Speaker 7: Their hiish.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. I understand how he died
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Speaker 1: and why he died, but what.
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Speaker 2: Did doctor p. Salvador Placincia I have to do with it?
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Speaker 8: Federal prosecutors allege that Perry first obtains ketamine from an
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Speaker 8: unscrupulous doctor, aiming to take advantage of the actor's addiction issues.
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Speaker 8: Doctor Salvador Placentia teaches Perry's living assistant, Kenneth Ewa Masa,
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Speaker 8: how to administer the drug and provides ketamine to both
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Speaker 8: Perry and Ewa Masa at exorbitant prices. When the drugs
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Speaker 8: become too expensive, Perry and Ewamasa turned to street dealers,
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Speaker 8: including Jasvine's Songha dubbed the ketamine Queen what.
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Speaker 2: In the last hours, A very dear and intimate friend
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Speaker 2: of Matthew Perry says she doesn't think that ketamine is
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Speaker 2: the cause of death.
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Speaker 1: Why he and what would be the cause of death
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Speaker 1: and what leads her to say that? This is what
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Speaker 1: the medical examiner has to say.
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Speaker 4: The Los Angeles Medical Examiner determined that fifty four year
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Speaker 4: old Matthew Perry died from the acute effects of ketamine.
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Speaker 4: Other contributing factors listed were drowning, coronary artery disease, and
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Speaker 4: the effects of buprenorphine. Buprenorphine is used to treat opioid
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Speaker 4: use disorder. The manner of death has been ruled an accident.
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Speaker 2: Joining us an all star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 2: what we are learning right now, but with me a
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Speaker 2: special guest, Rowena Chew, activist and former assistant to Harvey Weinstein.
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Speaker 2: His name tastes like dirt in my mouth, convicted on
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Speaker 2: multiple rapes, and she has just written a New York
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Speaker 2: Times guest essay, I was a celebrity assistant. The power
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Speaker 2: and balance is very real. Rowena Chew, thank you for
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Speaker 2: being with us. I enjoyed your article. I read it
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Speaker 2: several times over, and I try to compare what you're
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Speaker 2: saying in your situation with Harvey Weinstein may he writ
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Speaker 2: in Hell two, Matthew Perry's assistant number one. Matthew Perry
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Speaker 2: was not a criminal. I was not a rapist number one.
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Speaker 2: But you point out assistants often do things that are,
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Speaker 2: let me just say, legally and ethically questionable.
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Speaker 1: In your case, what does that mean in my case?
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Speaker 9: I worked for Harvey for only a couple of months,
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Speaker 9: and so I didn't have the opportunity to do things
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Speaker 9: that were ethically and legally immoral. But I was making
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Speaker 9: the points that the power and balance is so huge
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Speaker 9: assistants don't get the chance to say no.
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Speaker 2: You also pointed out a quote that compared assistants that
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Speaker 2: they do illegal acts or unethical acts.
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Speaker 1: To the guards and asterwards that they knew what was
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Speaker 1: happening was wrong, And.
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Speaker 2: You make a very subtle yet important distinction, explying.
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Speaker 10: The comparison was really with.
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Speaker 9: Ordinary folks that lived in Nazi Germany, whether or not
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Speaker 9: you can hold them accountable for the events that happened
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Speaker 9: in the country. So I'm really making a point about
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Speaker 9: bystanders that don't have any real power themselves, and they
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Speaker 9: are essentially visible, or they don't have an identity of
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Speaker 9: their own, and they don't have the autonomy to make decisions,
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Speaker 9: and so I feel that celebrity assistance. I also called
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Speaker 9: them butler's I constantly felt that I was invisible, I
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Speaker 9: had no autonomy. I frequently didn't really have a name
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Speaker 9: of my own. I would call people up and say,
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Speaker 9: I'm calling from Harvey Weinstein's office, but I wouldn't mention
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Speaker 9: my own name because I was add insignificant. So when
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Speaker 9: you're in a power balance where you're that insignificant, I
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Speaker 9: think it is incredibly difficult to be then thrust into
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Speaker 9: the spotlight and held responsible for something as serious as
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Speaker 9: somebody's death. I think that I am attempting to shed
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Speaker 9: light on the fact that Kenneth Iwamasa may have had
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Speaker 9: absolutely zero choice in a way that the ordinary person
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Speaker 9: can't understand.
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Speaker 10: He was a living assistant. The power imbalance would have
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Speaker 10: been enormous.
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Speaker 2: At the end of your article, I noted that you
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Speaker 2: stated it is often too easy to turn the butler
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Speaker 2: into the scapegoat. Do you believe that Matthew Perri's assisted
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Speaker 2: who injected him with that deadly dose is a scapegut.
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Speaker 9: I think he may have been put in an incredibly
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Speaker 9: difficult situation. Not only was his employment on the line,
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Speaker 9: but likely his involvement in the industry as a whole.
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Speaker 9: It could have been that he did not have another
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Speaker 9: residence and so as a living assistant. You know, really
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Speaker 9: there's a power back dynamic on many different levels.
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Speaker 10: I also think in.
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Speaker 9: The Weinstein case, at least, that there were many circles
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Speaker 9: of power, enablement and entitlement that were far more deserving
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Speaker 9: of perhaps the legal system going after than assistants. You know,
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Speaker 9: for example, Harvey Weinstein had accountants and board members that
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Speaker 9: certainly knew of what was happening, So I think the assistants.
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Speaker 9: I'm merely making the point that the assistants, I suppose,
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Speaker 9: are the lowest rung on the ladder, and I think
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Speaker 9: to hold them accountable and responsible for the actions taken
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Speaker 9: by a celebrity doesn't take into account the enormous power
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Speaker 9: difference between a celebrity and his assistant.
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Speaker 2: Rowena two is joining US activist former assistant to Harvey Weinstein,
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Speaker 2: who has just written a guest essay four of the
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Speaker 2: Times titled I would Say Celebrity assistant, the power and
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Speaker 2: balance is very real.
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Speaker 1: Miss to you, I.
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Speaker 2: Deeply respect you and what you have to say and
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Speaker 2: your viewpoint, and I highly highly disagree with you.
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Speaker 1: In your case or some other.
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Speaker 2: Assistance, not necessarily Weinstein's other assistants, comparing that to what
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Speaker 2: Ira Massa did in Perry's case, knowing that he had
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Speaker 2: had seizures just sixteen days where he was unable to
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Speaker 2: move or speak after e ketamine injection. Knowing that I
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Speaker 2: consider this much much more serious.
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Speaker 1: But I'll circle back.
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Speaker 2: To you, Misschi, in just one moment, and again I
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Speaker 2: do appreciate what you're saying, but I find it vastly,
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Speaker 2: vastly different than the case of Matthew Perry's assistant.
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Speaker 1: Speaking of the facts, let's go to KILEB.
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Speaker 2: Brantley, joining us investigative reporter with the Daily Mail, who's
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Speaker 2: been on this case from the very very beginning. What
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Speaker 2: I find very interesting right now is that it's all
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Speaker 2: business as usual. Matthew Perry dies in the hot tub
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Speaker 2: with a fatal overdose. The doctor had to put up
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Speaker 2: like one hundred thousand dollars bond. Really that's ten thousand dollars,
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Speaker 2: and regular people talk.
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Speaker 1: You put up ten percent. He's gone, he's out.
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Speaker 2: The so called ketamine Queen has not been sentenced. The
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Speaker 2: assistant Kenneth Ewamasa has not been sentenced. Why I think
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Speaker 2: that the Feds. Have you ever seen a cat with
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Speaker 2: a little mouse, just back and forth and back and
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Speaker 2: forth until it bites its head off. I think that's
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Speaker 2: what the FEDS are doing right now. They're playing toying
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Speaker 2: with the various defendants in order to get them to
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Speaker 2: talk to name other celebrity doctors and other pill meals
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Speaker 2: headed by doctors in LA and other celebrities. I think
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Speaker 2: that's what's happening. But to you, Kiala Brandtley Daily Mail,
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Speaker 2: tell me the latest. We've got the doctor back to work.
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Speaker 2: A lot of people haven't been sentenced. The other celebrity doctors,
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Speaker 2: including one that just got shot in the last day
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Speaker 2: of Celebrity Doctor. He was assassinated in his parking lot
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Speaker 2: following all of the drama surrounding Matthew Perry's death and
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Speaker 2: what's being uncovered. Hamid merschau Jay was shot in his
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Speaker 2: parking lot. He was a celeb doctor focusing on addiction.
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Speaker 2: But I bet a lot of celebrities and a list
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Speaker 2: doctors are quaking in their boots right now, Kiela, what's happening, Yeah, Nancy.
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Speaker 11: So what we know so far, at least when it
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Speaker 11: comes to Matthew Perry, is that doctor Salvador Presensia he
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Speaker 11: is back practicing. He is forbidden by the Drug Enforcement Administration,
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Speaker 11: the DEA prescribing controlled substances, turned over his license that
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Speaker 11: would let him prescribe, but he can and still practice
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Speaker 11: medicine under certain conditions that he works at an urgent
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Speaker 11: care in Malibu, And the only difference now is that
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Speaker 11: his patients have to sign a written consent form for
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Speaker 11: treatment that basically acknowledges and discloses that he is under
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Speaker 11: investigation and lets them know what's going on. But his
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Speaker 11: patients can still see him. He can still practice. The
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Speaker 11: only difference is that he cannot provide, you know, lethal
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Speaker 11: doses of ketamine, as he is alleged to have done
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Speaker 11: to Matthew Perry. And the same goes for doctor Mark Chavis,
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Speaker 11: was also surrendered his DEA license and therefore cannot prescribe
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Speaker 11: to control substances. However, these men are out able to practice,
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Speaker 11: able to you know, continue living their daily lives. As
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Speaker 11: you said, doctor Parfensia put up one hundred thousand dollars
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Speaker 11: bond and he's out. But they will have to await
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Speaker 11: sentencing and you know, see if they can continue to
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Speaker 11: live their life or a feel face.
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Speaker 1: Music, continue to live their lives.
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Speaker 2: Brandley Daily Mail. Matthew Perry can't live his life. And
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Speaker 2: he's not the only one. We now have identified two
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Speaker 2: potential suspects, but two potential victims, other victims of the
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Speaker 2: ketamine queen.
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Speaker 1: Both dead.
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Speaker 2: But right now to Mike McCormick, owner lead investigator MCM Investigations,
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Speaker 2: former lapd ever twenty five years. You can find him
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Speaker 2: at MCMM, mother C corpus mmotherinvestigations dot com.
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Speaker 1: Mike really boohoo.
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Speaker 2: He can't prescribe control substances.
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Speaker 1: That's his punishment.
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Speaker 2: He's back and his fancy sports car and his fancy
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Speaker 2: condo and his fancy office to the stars, making money
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Speaker 2: handover fist. He can't prescribe de ea control substances.
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Speaker 1: I guess not. But you know what he can do.
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Speaker 2: He can elicit get another doctor, a straw doctor as
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Speaker 2: it were, as it were, to write those prescriptions for him.
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Speaker 1: Let me think of an example.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Psychologists cannot prescribe certain medications, right they can't. They
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Speaker 2: work in tandem with a psychiatrist and they get the
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Speaker 2: psychiatrist to write the prescription, see what I mean.
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Speaker 1: So he can be.
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Speaker 2: Doing that, he can have a straw doc actually write
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Speaker 2: the prescriptions.
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Speaker 1: This is such bs. Why is he not in a
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Speaker 1: jail cell?
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Speaker 2: Perry is dead and you know what everybody's talking about
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Speaker 2: his net worth. In fact, his home is being remodeled
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Speaker 2: near the hot tub man.
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Speaker 1: That's going right on the market. It's like it.
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Speaker 12: Never happened, exactly exactly. This is come of a linear
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Speaker 12: justice system.
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Speaker 2: Joining me psychoanalyst to the stars, doctor Bethany Marshall, author
23:08
Speaker 2: of deal Breaker, and you can also see her on
23:12
Speaker 2: peacock and find her a doctor Bethanymarshall dot com dotor Bethany.
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Speaker 2: I want to circle back with you about how this
23:19
Speaker 2: doctor continue treating celebrity patients with the use of a
23:23
Speaker 2: straw doctor. How easy that would be. But we now
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Speaker 2: know this doctor, this doctor knew very well that Matthew
23:34
Speaker 2: Perry had actually seized up. In other words, he could
23:38
Speaker 2: not speak or move for an extended period of time
23:43
Speaker 2: to sixteen days before he died. Yet everything was business
23:48
Speaker 2: as usual.
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Speaker 13: Listen details of Perry's last days in a federal indictment
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Speaker 13: reveal it was very clear to doctor Placentia that Perry's
23:56
Speaker 13: ketemine injections were causing a total loss of awareness. The
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Speaker 13: indictment documents three separate occasions where Perry froze up after
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Speaker 13: receiving the medication, with Placentia commenting, let's not do that again.
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Speaker 14: Defendant Placentia knew full well the danger of what he
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Speaker 14: was doing. In fact, on one occasion, he injected mister
24:18
Speaker 14: Perry with kenemine and he saw mister Perry freeze up
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Speaker 14: and his blood pressure spike. Despite that, he left additional
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Speaker 14: vials of ketamine for defendant Iwamasa to administer to mister Perry.
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Speaker 1: And he's free.
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Speaker 2: If you or I cause the death of a superstar
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Speaker 2: like Matthew Perry, we would be under the jail.
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Speaker 1: So why is he free?
24:44
Speaker 2: And why is it very murky, very unclear as to
24:49
Speaker 2: the status of the other defendants, because the Feds are
24:53
Speaker 2: squeezing them to talk.
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Speaker 1: That's why joining me.
24:57
Speaker 2: Todd Barr, Doctor Todd bar Board certified an atomic clinical
25:03
Speaker 2: forensic pathologist.
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Speaker 1: I'm very curious.
25:08
Speaker 2: Oh yes, He's also featured in Thin Places Essays Essays
25:13
Speaker 2: from in Between Dodger, thank you for being with us.
25:15
Speaker 2: I've been researching and investigating what exactly happened to Matthew
25:20
Speaker 2: Perry when he quote froze that's hardly a medical description,
25:26
Speaker 2: but I've learned that there was apparently a significant spike
25:32
Speaker 2: in his systolic blood blood pressure.
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Speaker 1: What does that mean?
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Speaker 15: High Nancy, thank you. So a spike in his systolic
25:41
Speaker 15: blood pressure just means that he is having a hypertensive crisis.
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Speaker 15: His blood pressure is elevated to a point.
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Speaker 2: Okay, right there, right there? What do you mean hypertensive crisis?
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Speaker 15: That means his blood pressure is at a high level,
25:56
Speaker 15: such a high level that it could cause death. I
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Speaker 15: mean people die from extreme fluctuations in their blood pressure.
26:05
Speaker 15: Blood pressure is supposed to live in an average in
26:08
Speaker 15: a normal range. If you get too high, it's hypertensive.
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Speaker 15: If you get too low, it's hype intensive. And either
26:16
Speaker 15: of those hyper or hypo can cause death.
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Speaker 2: So when he quote froze up, what does that indicate
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Speaker 2: to you? Is that some sort of a stroke or
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Speaker 2: a near stroke.
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Speaker 1: What's a systolic spike in blood pressure?
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Speaker 15: I would say, the term froze up to me, sounds
26:34
Speaker 15: more like a seizure like activity, like a tonic chlonic
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Speaker 15: seizure where the muscles contract and you get into this
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Speaker 15: Ketamine is actually known for its anti convulsive properties. It's
26:49
Speaker 15: used to treat seizures, but in high doses it can
26:54
Speaker 15: actually cause seizures. And as we know by the reports
26:58
Speaker 15: that are out there, mister Perry was administered extremely high
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Speaker 15: doses of this this drug ketamine, which is an anesthetic drug.
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Speaker 15: He was actually found with the levels that were compatible
27:16
Speaker 15: with surgery and that you know, anesthesia that you would
27:19
Speaker 15: need for surgical procedures.
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Speaker 2: It reminds me a great deal of Conrad Murray injecting
27:26
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson with propofol, and it took you know, hell
27:31
Speaker 2: and high water to get Conrad Murray charged and convicted.
27:38
Speaker 2: But even that conviction was not enough to send sufficient
27:43
Speaker 2: shot waves through the celebrity doctor network in Hollywood.
27:47
Speaker 1: And now Matthew Perry is dead.
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Speaker 2: You know it's Cala Brandley's joining me, investigative reporter with
27:52
Speaker 2: the Daily Mail. Kela, I understand that the doctor who
27:56
Speaker 2: is now living alive, he's not in jail like everybody
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Speaker 2: else would be connected to a death. He would provide
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Speaker 2: the medication, the ketamine, along with the kenemine queen for
28:11
Speaker 2: the assistant to make at home ketamine injections. Now, I
28:19
Speaker 2: heard what Rowena Chu said that the power balance is
28:22
Speaker 2: way off, But shouldn't you know instinctively, especially after Perry
28:29
Speaker 2: was having seizures just days before that you should not
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Speaker 2: be injecting ketamine to.
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Speaker 1: Matthew Perry at home.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this assistant needs to be in jail, along
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Speaker 2: with the doctor and the ketamine queen, the street supplier.
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Speaker 2: They all need to be in jail and we need
28:51
Speaker 2: to know their sentences. So what's happening, kel, I don't
28:55
Speaker 2: understand what's.
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Speaker 1: The hold up?
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Speaker 15: Right?
28:57
Speaker 1: Well?
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Speaker 11: Maybe I also want to break down exactly how much
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Speaker 11: ketymine was distributed to Matthew Perry. The doctors Chavis and
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Speaker 11: Placentia distributed twenty vials of ketymine to Perry for fifty
29:10
Speaker 11: five thousand dollars in cash. That's charging him two thousand
29:13
Speaker 11: dollars for a vial, and that vile cost doctor Chavi
29:16
Speaker 11: is just twelve dollars. So you can imagine how much
29:19
Speaker 11: money they were making off Perry. And that's the point
29:22
Speaker 11: that the prosecutors were making. Now the Kenemye Queen Sanga,
29:26
Speaker 11: she sold about fifty vials of the drugs to Perry
29:29
Speaker 11: with Fleming delivering the product that they are Flemming the
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Speaker 11: Hollywood producer, and they sold it to him for eleven
29:35
Speaker 11: thousand dollars. So these people were making a lot of
29:38
Speaker 11: money off of Perry's addiction, and they clearly knew, as
29:43
Speaker 11: you said, he was seizing up. And then you had
29:45
Speaker 11: the person who was injecting him, who was his trusted assistant.
29:48
Speaker 11: So you make a great point that you know, these
29:50
Speaker 11: people should be held accountable, and that's exactly what the
29:53
Speaker 11: prosecutors are trying to do.
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Speaker 14: They distributed approximately twenty vials of ketamine to mister Perry
30:01
Speaker 14: in exchange for fifty five thousand dollars in cash. Defendant
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Speaker 14: Placentia saw this as an opportunity to profit off of
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Speaker 14: mister Perry. He wrote in a text message in September
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Speaker 14: twenty twenty three, quote, I wonder how much this moron
30:17
Speaker 14: will pay. He also stated in text messages that he
30:21
Speaker 14: wanted to be mister Perry's sole source of supply. He
30:25
Speaker 14: wrote in a text message that he wanted to be
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Speaker 14: mister Perry's quote go to for drugs.
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Speaker 16: Matthew Perry's assistant allegedly found Perry in similar circumstances two
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Speaker 16: times in the same week of his tragic.
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Speaker 1: Death, joining us.
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Speaker 2: Rowena Chew, former assistant to Harvey Weinstein, who just wrote
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Speaker 2: a New York Times guest essay, I was a celebrity assistant.
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Speaker 1: The power imbalance is very real.
30:54
Speaker 2: You just heard other examples that celebrity assistants have named.
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Speaker 1: Do you believe that in this.
31:03
Speaker 2: Case the assistant is being scapegoated or do you believe
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Speaker 2: he is rightfully being prosecuted as it relates to Matthew
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Speaker 2: Perry's death.
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Speaker 10: I do believe he's being scapegoated.
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Speaker 9: I mean, we just heard about how other players in
31:16
Speaker 9: this system are making insane amounts of money, and I
31:19
Speaker 9: asked you to think about what does the assistants stand
31:22
Speaker 9: again in that equation, what.
31:24
Speaker 1: Does the money have to do with it? Rowena? Would
31:27
Speaker 1: it make it okay if he was paid more money?
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Speaker 9: Oh no, absolutely not. I'm not saying that anybody was
31:32
Speaker 9: doing anything right. However, there's a big difference between the
31:35
Speaker 9: amounts of money the doctors and the drug dealers were
31:37
Speaker 9: making and what did the assistants stand to gain. I
31:40
Speaker 9: believe the assistant was just trying to survive. He wasn't
31:43
Speaker 9: making staggering amounts of money, and so therefore his incentive
31:46
Speaker 9: to do what he did was very different from the
31:48
Speaker 9: doctors and the drug dealers. He wasn't out there trying
31:51
Speaker 9: to get something for himself. He was merely trying to
31:54
Speaker 9: survive his job. There's a big difference in that.
31:57
Speaker 2: So you believe the difference, and whether he should be
32:00
Speaker 2: criminally culpable is whether he was getting paid for shooting
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Speaker 2: Matthew Perry up to his death.
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Speaker 9: I don't think that there's a huge incentive for him
32:10
Speaker 9: to push this agenda, and therefore I don't believe that
32:14
Speaker 9: he was pushing the agenda. He was merely doing what
32:16
Speaker 9: he was told to do under incredibly strenuous circumstances. So
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Speaker 9: I'm merely saying that as a point of coercion, the
32:25
Speaker 9: assistant is not really this person who should be skapegoated.
32:28
Speaker 9: That there are layers of privilege and abuse of power
32:32
Speaker 9: that are far greater than that. And you know, we
32:34
Speaker 9: can easily point to doctors and drug dealers who were
32:37
Speaker 9: making vast amounts of money and had a huge incentive
32:40
Speaker 9: to push this kind of an agenda.
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Speaker 2: And are actually still making vast amounts of money. Mike
32:44
Speaker 2: McCormick joining me lean investigator of MCM Investigations in Hollywood.
32:49
Speaker 2: Mike McCormick, our respector Rowen and Chew. But I think
32:52
Speaker 2: that's complete BS. I don't agree at all. Everybody in
32:56
Speaker 2: Hollywood is making money off celebs. Webs are making money
33:01
Speaker 2: off the studios. The studios are making money off us
33:04
Speaker 2: and advertisers. That's how it works in Hollywood. It's like
33:09
Speaker 2: one bloodsucker sucking on the next bloodsucker, just like ticks,
33:13
Speaker 2: you know, stuck to the animal. But Mike McCormick, why
33:19
Speaker 2: aren't they in jail number one? And what do you
33:25
Speaker 2: make of what Rowena is saying that the assistant is
33:29
Speaker 2: the scapegoat. I think they should all be put in
33:32
Speaker 2: the same pot to boil and all be tried together.
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Speaker 1: As it relates to Perry's death, Well, I don't think.
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Speaker 12: The assistant is being scapegoaded. I just think he was
33:43
Speaker 12: being more loyal, just doing what the boss wanted him
33:51
Speaker 12: to do. It had nothing to do with money, was
33:55
Speaker 12: job security and loyalty.
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Speaker 2: Okay, hold on to some moment, Doctor Bethony Marshall, Maybe
34:00
Speaker 2: I'm not articulating my point that, well, the assistant lives
34:04
Speaker 2: in a mansion, he makes plenty of money, He rubs
34:08
Speaker 2: elbows with all of the stars, a drives a beautiful
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Speaker 2: luxury car. Maybe I'm not understanding his poor conditions.
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Speaker 1: I don't see it, Nancy.
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Speaker 17: I have a unique perspective on this because these assistants
34:22
Speaker 17: sometimes come to my office. One in particular was the
34:24
Speaker 17: major domo for one of the wealthiest men in the
34:27
Speaker 17: world and had to stand around serving palomas to the
34:31
Speaker 17: family all day long alcoholic beverages, and he became so
34:36
Speaker 17: disgusted because one of the family members was drunk all
34:40
Speaker 17: day long.
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Speaker 10: He was traumatized.
34:42
Speaker 17: He came to therapy and said, I just cannot do
34:45
Speaker 17: this anymore, and he left the job. So, yes, these
34:49
Speaker 17: assistants are vulnerable in the sense that they often do
34:53
Speaker 17: things they don't want to do, but they do have
34:55
Speaker 17: agency in the world. And I think in particular, when
34:59
Speaker 17: you are potentially committing homicide, that's a breach of duty,
35:06
Speaker 17: that's lack of judgment that a ten year old knows
35:10
Speaker 17: not to do.
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Speaker 12: Right.
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Speaker 18: We just know basically, you don't kill somebody. If you
35:15
Speaker 18: administer a drug, they sees you don't administer the drug again.
35:20
Speaker 18: I mean, I'm sorry, but this assistant could have gone
35:23
Speaker 18: and worked at a bar, would probably I would prefer
35:27
Speaker 18: to scrub floors than to inject somebody with a substance.
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Speaker 10: That could kill them. It is just common sense.
35:35
Speaker 18: Of course, there's a power imbalance. Of course, there's a
35:38
Speaker 18: power in balance in life for all of us.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, you know, Caleb Brandtley, I want to follow up
35:44
Speaker 2: on what doctor Bethany is saying. Caleb Brantley joining us
35:47
Speaker 2: from Daily Mail call, and we understand that Matthew Perry's
35:50
Speaker 2: mansion is being renovated, especially around the hot tub, the pool.
35:56
Speaker 1: Area where he died. It seems as.
35:58
Speaker 2: If for Hollywood, including the prosecutors, it's just business as usual.
36:04
Speaker 2: The doctor is back in his clinic, treating patients and
36:08
Speaker 2: making a ton of money. There are no sentences on
36:13
Speaker 2: the people that have agreed to plead guilty. It just
36:17
Speaker 2: seems as if everyone's acting as though nothing happened.
36:23
Speaker 1: Matthew Perry is dead.
36:24
Speaker 2: These people, according to the Feds, are responsible. Why aren't
36:31
Speaker 2: they behind bars? Killa and what, if anything can you
36:34
Speaker 2: tell me about when these people are going to jail
36:38
Speaker 2: and one other question. Apparently one of Perry's intimate friends
36:45
Speaker 2: states that he Perry was deathly afraid of needles, and
36:51
Speaker 2: she is questioning the real cood.
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Speaker 8: Keilla Listen, one of Perry's former assistants and ex girlfriend, Katie,
37:00
Speaker 8: says she does not believe Perry could have possibly been
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Speaker 8: taking ketamine. Edwards describes Perry's intense fear of needles, saying
37:06
Speaker 8: he wouldn't even consider a tattoo due to the phobia.
37:09
Speaker 8: Edwards was no stranger to Perry's addiction and told him
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Speaker 8: he would die in an argument over his drug use.
37:15
Speaker 8: Perry's response quote, you only die when you use needles,
37:18
Speaker 8: and I would never ever do that.
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Speaker 1: Caleb Brandley, what about it?
37:22
Speaker 2: This person an intimate friend of Perry's raising the specter
37:26
Speaker 2: up another cood cause of death.
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Speaker 11: I understand that, Nancy, But it was Katie Edwards. She
37:31
Speaker 11: dated him back in two thousand and six, worked as
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Speaker 11: an assistant until like twenty eleven, so while they were
37:38
Speaker 11: still friends, they hadn't dated in a while. And I
37:40
Speaker 11: understand that she said that he had a fear of this.
37:43
Speaker 11: But Matthew Perry himself had written in his book about
37:47
Speaker 11: these ketamine infusions that he was taking and how it
37:51
Speaker 11: felt and how it was helping him. So I personally
37:54
Speaker 11: am not so sure of that theory. And you do
37:57
Speaker 11: have his assistant and everyone basically admitting to injecting him,
38:03
Speaker 11: And back to your point of why are and these
38:06
Speaker 11: people you know behind bars and what's going on? I
38:08
Speaker 11: think right now it's just a waiting game. We have
38:11
Speaker 11: had clee deals which have gotten us more information from
38:14
Speaker 11: the assistant, from the friend, from one of the doctors,
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Speaker 11: So I think we will be seeing more in due time.
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Speaker 11: There will be a sentence. They will end up facing
38:24
Speaker 11: the consequences.
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Speaker 4: Of their actions.
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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Doctor p Doctor Placincia has
38:39
Speaker 2: also been charged with altering and falsifying documents or records
38:44
Speaker 2: in connection with a federal investigation. Now with the expected
38:50
Speaker 2: guilty plea, he joins three others who have pled guilty
38:55
Speaker 2: in connection with the death of Matthew Perry, and they
38:58
Speaker 2: are doctor Mark Chevez, Perry's assistant, Kenneth Iwamasa, and Eric Fleming,
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Speaker 2: an acquaintance of the Friends star the so called Kennemine
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Speaker 2: Queen Javin Sanga, the only one who has not taken
39:16
Speaker 2: a plea deal? What is her connection to the death
39:20
Speaker 2: of Matthew Perry.
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Speaker 16: Did the drug dealer dubbed the Ketamine Queen refer to
39:27
Speaker 16: Matthew Perry by his friend's character name.
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Speaker 2: And that would be his affinity Matthew Perry's affinity with Batman,
39:38
Speaker 2: and he would call himself Mattman. But according to sources,
39:44
Speaker 2: the so called Keemine Queen, Jasvine Songha referred to him
39:49
Speaker 2: as Chandler in their texts and emails when they would
39:54
Speaker 2: talk about drugs and drug deliveries code named Chandler.
39:59
Speaker 1: Wow, that was a toughie.
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Speaker 2: Apparently, celebrities and celebrity doctors alike across Hollywood are quaking
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Speaker 2: in their boots, afraid that the so called Ketamine Queen
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Speaker 2: is going to rat them out in exchange for a
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Speaker 2: sweetheart deal from the fees. The so called Ketamine Queen,
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Speaker 2: the one that supplied Matthew Perry with the deadly dose
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Speaker 2: of ketamine that ended in his death.
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Speaker 1: Are there other victims?
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Speaker 13: Yes, Listen Jasvien Songha sells Cody mclowery several vials of ketamine.
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Speaker 13: Later that same day, Mclowry's family finds him dead. A
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Speaker 13: family member tells Sogha her ketamine coused mcclowry's overdose death,
40:44
Speaker 13: and Songha googles can ketamine be listed as a cause
40:47
Speaker 13: of death.
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Speaker 8: Eric Fleming, who reportedly acted as a program director at
40:51
Speaker 8: the bell Air rehab Red Door, also had a resident
40:54
Speaker 8: die on his watch. William Cooney, thirty six, was found
40:57
Speaker 8: dead of a fentyl overdose in his bathroom.
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Speaker 2: At the So those are two alleged victims, two more
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Speaker 2: victims of the Ketemine Queen. That makes three if those
41:08
Speaker 2: two victims are to be believed. In fact, Cody's family
41:12
Speaker 2: is speaking out against the Ketemine Queen.
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Speaker 1: And is she talking?
41:18
Speaker 2: Is she making a deal with the fedes to get
41:21
Speaker 2: a light sentence in exchange for ratting out other slips
41:25
Speaker 2: and other doctors? Man, she needs a lot of money
41:29
Speaker 2: to support this lifestyle. So what is the connection between
41:34
Speaker 2: the Ketemine Queen and the other alleged victims?
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Speaker 1: All dead?
41:40
Speaker 19: Coming to light are Broke Mueller's deep ties to suspects
41:43
Speaker 19: Fleming and Sogha. Mueller spent time with Sanghai in one
41:46
Speaker 19: of her many rehabs Dens, and Fleming is reportedly a
41:49
Speaker 19: godfather to one of Mueller's children. Mueller reportedly pressured then
41:53
Speaker 19: boyfriend William Cooney to join her at Pall Fleming's rehab program,
41:56
Speaker 19: where Cooney overdosed and died. Mueller may well have introduced
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Speaker 19: Fleming and Songhaw to Perry as shortcuts to feed his addiction.
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Speaker 19: Federal prosecutors report that Mueller is cooperating with the investigation
42:08
Speaker 19: and is not facing any charges.
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Speaker 2: Let me understand, Caleb Brantley joining us from dailymail dot com.
42:13
Speaker 2: The so called ketamine queen Songha meets up with who
42:23
Speaker 2: in rehab? Let me see is Britton Mueller, who apparently
42:26
Speaker 2: was very close to Matthew Perry. Now how does that
42:29
Speaker 2: connect into Songha the dealer.
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Speaker 11: Well, all roads are kind of leading back to jas
42:34
Speaker 11: In Songha, the Kennymine queen. She was a supplier of
42:38
Speaker 11: multiple people. And now we do find this connection between
42:41
Speaker 11: Brooke Mueller, who spent time with Matthew Perry in the
42:45
Speaker 11: rehab they were close friends. And then we have Eric Flemming,
42:50
Speaker 11: who was a director at the rehab center where this
42:54
Speaker 11: man William Cooney had passed away. So it all is
42:58
Speaker 11: a circular connection of going back to Sanghai. And I'm
43:03
Speaker 11: not have been on the radar for a while. Back
43:06
Speaker 11: in March twenty twenty four, the EDU rated her house
43:09
Speaker 11: and they called it a drug imporium. These seventy nine
43:13
Speaker 11: bottles that some had tested positive for kettymine. So this
43:16
Speaker 11: is no surprise that Ja Zinfanga is involved in this
43:20
Speaker 11: Matthew Perry case.
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Speaker 2: Now two more alleged victims of this woman living the
43:27
Speaker 2: high life that supplied the deadly dose to Matthew Perry.
43:30
Speaker 2: Now would he be her third victim? Why has it
43:36
Speaker 2: taken that to bring her to justice? Are those investigations
43:41
Speaker 2: ongoing now? This by far is not the first time
43:46
Speaker 2: a celebrity has died with enablers circling them like vultures.
43:51
Speaker 1: Listen, how are you doing it?
43:54
Speaker 20: In security?
43:55
Speaker 1: From Burdle Hilton?
43:55
Speaker 8: All right, what going on?
43:56
Speaker 20: I need a paramedic. Apparently I got a forty sic
43:58
Speaker 20: year old female found in the bat I'm to followup
44:00
Speaker 20: guy right now. But they're questing paramedics now, Okay, Fanmonel
44:03
Speaker 20: fell about them? I love rymischannel. I'm not sure if
44:05
Speaker 20: she Fellow. She was in the bathroom with the water
44:07
Speaker 20: four four three four. I'm sorry we had the room
44:09
Speaker 20: four three fourth yet Okay, there's not East West or
44:12
Speaker 20: anything else.
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Speaker 16: That's room four four thirty four.
44:14
Speaker 20: Yeah, okay, you don't know see a country of breathing
44:16
Speaker 20: at all. Apparently she wasn't breathing and she's toy secured
44:19
Speaker 20: she was not breathing.
44:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, Whitney Houston surrounded by enablers. Ultimately it cost her
44:24
Speaker 2: her life. Then there is John Belushi, one of the
44:28
Speaker 2: greatest comedians that ever lived. He was shot up with
44:32
Speaker 2: drugs at the Chateau Marmont and his assistant did hard
44:38
Speaker 2: jail time after shooting him up. Bobby Christina Whitney's daughter
44:43
Speaker 2: od He goes on and on and on. Of course,
44:48
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson, Aaron Carter, Chris Farley went to rehab sixteen times.
44:56
Speaker 2: His younger brother finds him dead in his apartment. Of course,
45:01
Speaker 2: Prince died of a deadly opioid injection. Goes all the
45:05
Speaker 2: way back to Elvis, China, Amy Winehouse and a Nicole
45:13
Speaker 2: spiraled down a drug hole while everyone supported that and
45:19
Speaker 2: enabled her. Kurt Cobain, River Phoenix. It goes on and on,
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Speaker 2: and the enablers are never brought to justice. Straight out
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Speaker 2: to Mike McCormick. Mcm investigations. Don't you know, the catamine
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Speaker 2: queen and all of them. They're like rats on a
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Speaker 2: sinking ship, are ready to deal, ready to name names, addresses,
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Speaker 2: phone numbers, little black books to save their own skin.
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Speaker 1: You don't think they're talking to the FEDS right now? Oh?
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Speaker 12: Absolutely, yeah, They're gonna tell them everything they want to know.
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Speaker 2: Does standage to Todd Barr joining us doctor Barr, board
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Speaker 2: certified and atomic clinical forensic pathologist, Doctor Barr, What do
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Speaker 2: you notice about the death certificate?
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Speaker 15: So, Nancy, I have a lot of real issues with
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Speaker 15: the way this case was decided. As a forensic expert,
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Speaker 15: I have been involved in prosecutions of crimes that involved
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Speaker 15: other people distributing or administering drugs to a victim. The
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Speaker 15: very definition of a homicide is death at the hands
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Speaker 15: of another period, whether it's by omission or comission.
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Speaker 1: In this case, comission.
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Speaker 15: They brought in drugs, they injected them into Matthew Perry's body.
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Speaker 15: They should be charged with a homicide. They should be
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Speaker 15: charged with murder straight up, everyone that's involved.
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Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 15: The second part of this is the official cause of
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Speaker 15: death was listed as the acute effects of ketamine and
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Speaker 15: other conditions. Or contributing conditions included drowning. Now, there are
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Speaker 15: certain stigmata of drowning that you see at autopsy. If
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Speaker 15: those are present, then a drowning occurred. So Matthew Perry's
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Speaker 15: death is literally because of drowning. But then there's a
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Speaker 15: part b or drowning due to the intoxicating effects of ketamine.
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Speaker 15: So he was so dissociative and esthetized that he slipped
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Speaker 15: under the water. If they're going to list drowning as
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Speaker 15: a contributing factor, then that means they had evidence that
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Speaker 15: he drowned. So it should have been listed as a
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Speaker 15: drowning number one due to the effects of ketamine, and
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Speaker 15: the manner of death should have been listed as homicide.
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Speaker 15: So I have a very strong opinion about the way
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Speaker 15: this death certificate was worded, and I believe that sometimes
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Speaker 15: when it's worded this way, defendants get off a lot easier.
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Speaker 15: Now I don't know if in LA they have something
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Speaker 15: going where they were these death certificates in a way
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Speaker 15: so people get off a little easier, But that's my
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Speaker 15: take too.
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Speaker 2: Rowena che joining US former assistant Harvey Weinstein now activists,
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Speaker 2: who has just written a New York Times guest essay
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Speaker 2: called I was a celebrity assistant. The power imbalance is
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Speaker 2: a very real thought to you, Rowena, what do you
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Speaker 2: make of it all?
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Speaker 9: I think there are levels of power that we could
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Speaker 9: go after that are much more intense than that of
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Speaker 9: the assistant. I think the assistant, being the lowest run
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Speaker 9: and the ladder, probably is the last person that anyone
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Speaker 9: should go after, because he has read his little autonomy.
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Speaker 10: I'm not saying that no one should be held accountable.
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Speaker 9: I'm saying that there are levels of power above him
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Speaker 9: that should accountable before he is.
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Speaker 2: Will doctor p plead guilty or will he go to
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Speaker 2: trial along with the so called Kenmine Queen? We wait
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Speaker 2: as just a sunfls goodbye for him