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Stage-setting vs. Date-setting, & the United Nations Suspicious 7 Year Agreement (ft. Andy Woods) · The Week in Bible Prophecy

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  Speaker 1: The Week in Bible Prophecy, a Prophecy Watchers podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, everyone, welcome to the podcast today. I'm here in
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  Speaker 2: studio with doctor Andy Woods.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome here, Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah for those listening, and we're gonna be We're gonna
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  Speaker 2: be talking about an interesting topic. And I'm sure you've
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  Speaker 2: seen this. I know you've reported on Andy in the
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  Speaker 2: sense of they're coming this fall September eighteenth, in nineteenth
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  Speaker 2: that the UN is having this summit, which is a
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  Speaker 2: summit kind of re engaging the nations, that they're trying
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  Speaker 2: to re engage the nations going back to the twenty
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  Speaker 2: fifteen Paris of Paris Climate Agreement, where an article came
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  Speaker 2: out in June thirteenth. So let me all just read
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  Speaker 2: this this first paragraph to set the stage. The title
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  Speaker 2: is this is from the UN dot org, so this
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  Speaker 2: is straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak. The
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  Speaker 2: title is we need seven years of accelerated transform action.
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  Speaker 3: To achieve the SDGs.
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  Speaker 2: Or Sustainable Development Goals. And as day of June thirteenth,
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  Speaker 2: and it says almost eight years have passed since the
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  Speaker 2: international community agreed to take bold and transformative steps to
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  Speaker 2: achieve the twenty thirty Agenda for Sustainable Development, a plan
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  Speaker 2: of action to secure the rights and well being of
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  Speaker 2: everyone on a healthy, thriving planet. Today, at the halfway
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  Speaker 2: point to twenty thirty, that promise is in peril and
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  Speaker 2: a fundamental shift is needed in commitment, solidarity, financing, and
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  Speaker 2: action to put the world on a better path. And
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  Speaker 2: it is needed now. So for those that maybe they're
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  Speaker 2: hearing about this for the first time, what in the
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  Speaker 2: world are they talking about here?
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting because it shows you these one worlders
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  Speaker 1: thinking are at least thinking in seven year increments. And
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  Speaker 1: we know from Daniel nine to twenty seven that whether
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  Speaker 1: this is that we don't know yet, but there is
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  Speaker 1: coming a seven year in this case between the anti
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  Speaker 1: Christ and unbelieving Israel. So they're thinking in seven year increments.
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  Speaker 1: Is just in this case it's a little different. There
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  Speaker 1: sort of looks to me like they're making a pact
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  Speaker 1: with all of the nations to kind of bring in
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  Speaker 1: these what they're called s SDG's sustainable development goals, and
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  Speaker 1: so there's some interesting parallels with Bible prophecy.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's what I see is one of the
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  Speaker 2: reasons they wanted to address this is you have this
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  Speaker 2: agreement from again from twenty fifteen. So even there they
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  Speaker 2: weren't thinking in seven years, they were thinking in fifteen
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  Speaker 2: year increments. It just happens to be that with COVID
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  Speaker 2: happening over the past few years, they've seen some increases,
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  Speaker 2: some speed up, and they're realizing, man, we need to
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  Speaker 2: take advantage you hear some of them. We need to
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  Speaker 2: take advantage of what we've had here. As it relates
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  Speaker 2: to some of the fear mongoring and the crises, it's
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  Speaker 2: always a crisis, right, So they are grouping and it
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  Speaker 2: just happens to be right now in twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker 2: But I think for those that are prophecy watchers, all
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  Speaker 2: of us are that when we see the UN say
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  Speaker 2: anything with a seven year timeframe, it brings up the
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  Speaker 2: hairs on our head.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, doesn't it shouldn't it be? Why not?
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  Speaker 1: Well, well sure, I mean Bible prophecy predicts a one
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  Speaker 1: world government headed by an antichrist and apparently at some
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  Speaker 1: point he's going to enter into a peace treaty with
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  Speaker 1: the Nation of Israel guaranteeing her security. So today when
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  Speaker 1: we talk about globalists or one worlders, you know, that's
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  Speaker 1: what these SDGs are. They're wanting to bring all seventeen
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  Speaker 1: of these things into existence through the solution and I
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  Speaker 1: put that in quotes right through the solution of one
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  Speaker 1: world government. When the big guns talk about seven year treaties,
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  Speaker 1: we say, well, that's a very interesting similarity with what
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  Speaker 1: I know is coming in Bible prophecy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, one of the things I would like to
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  Speaker 2: do is is to compare what we're seeing with this
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  Speaker 2: article again June thirteenth, and their connection with what they're
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  Speaker 2: hoping to accomplish, and then try to take what they're
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  Speaker 2: saying here and then to see if what is happening
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  Speaker 2: there matches what we see in Daniel nine twenty seven
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  Speaker 2: and whether I mean, this isn't an official that the
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  Speaker 2: Paris Climate Agreement again that started in twenty fifteen, so
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  Speaker 2: some of the goals that they have here, it says
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  Speaker 2: in their report of the roughly one hundred and forty
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  Speaker 2: targets with data, only about twelve percent are on track
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  Speaker 2: to be achieved by twenty thirty. Close to half those
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  Speaker 2: showing progress are moderately or severely off track, and some
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  Speaker 2: thirty percent have either seen no movement or regressed below
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  Speaker 2: the twenty fifteen baseline. Giving up on the sustainable development
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  Speaker 2: goals or the deadline presumably past twenty thirty to meet them,
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  Speaker 2: is not an option. The world has been rocked by
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  Speaker 2: a series of interleaked crises, the COVID nineteen pandemic conflict,
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  Speaker 2: the climate crisis, and a weak global economy. Recommitting to
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  Speaker 2: the twenty thirty agenda is the best roadmap out of
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  Speaker 2: these crises. But we are a fast running out of
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  Speaker 2: time to correct course.
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  Speaker 3: So this it.
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  Speaker 2: Reminds me of ram and Manuel, you know, right, never
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  Speaker 2: let a crisis go to waste exactly. They have these ideas.
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  Speaker 2: We don't know anybody's heart. I don't read hearts. I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure there might be some that mean well, but we
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  Speaker 2: do know that the world lies under the power of
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  Speaker 2: the wicked one. So tell me kind of your thoughts here,
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  Speaker 2: you know, in the sense of this, this re engagement
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  Speaker 2: that you know, using recommitment.
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  Speaker 1: Well, to be frank with you, if I was not
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  Speaker 1: a Bible student and a Bible prophecy advocate, and I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know anything about Bible prophecy, to me, what they
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  Speaker 1: say makes sense. I mean, it does make sense that
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  Speaker 1: we should have. Let's just leave the Bible out of
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  Speaker 1: it for a second. Just from a humanistic perspective, world
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  Speaker 1: government makes sense to the human mind because we have
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  Speaker 1: all of these potential nuclear weapons around the world. Why
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  Speaker 1: not just isolate them and put them in one person's hands,
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  Speaker 1: and we've saved our planet. The problem is the Bible
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  Speaker 1: tells us at the Tower of Babel, and it tells
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  Speaker 1: us concerning the prophecies about the Antichrist the end of
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  Speaker 1: the Age, that if you get world government and it
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  Speaker 1: falls into the wrong person's hands, as God said in
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  Speaker 1: the Book of Genesis, chapter eleven, nothing will be impossible
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  Speaker 1: for them. And there he's talking about the potential for evil. So,
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  Speaker 1: as a Biblicist, when I see the powers that be
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  Speaker 1: grabbing the strings of global government, I'm saying that's not good.
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  Speaker 1: Number one, because eventually this, this centralized power prophetically is
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  Speaker 1: going to fall into the wrong person's hands. And number two,
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  Speaker 1: this is certainly stage setting for the things that are
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  Speaker 1: on the horizon concerning Bible prophecy. I don't think prophecies
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  Speaker 1: are such that they're fulfilled in a vacuum. If you
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  Speaker 1: just go back to the first coming prophecies, the stage
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  Speaker 1: was all set for those first coming prophecies. And if
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  Speaker 1: the stage can be set for the first Advent of Jesus,
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  Speaker 1: why can't I see it being set for the second
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  Speaker 1: Advent of Jesus. And so when I see these interesting similarities,
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  Speaker 1: that's how I categorize it. I categorize it. It's stage setting,
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  Speaker 1: you know, ultimately concerning what's to come, because the stage
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  Speaker 1: has to be set well in advance, you know, for
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  Speaker 1: the fulfillment of God's prophetic word. That's what I think
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  Speaker 1: is happening in our work.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I like to say that we don't
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  Speaker 2: go from living in maybe one day to the full
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  Speaker 2: anti crisis system of the next, right, I mean, it
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  Speaker 2: takes in.
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  Speaker 3: Here in many ways.
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  Speaker 2: If you if you put Mayberry back in the FIFTI
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  Speaker 2: it's just you know whatever, it's uh, it's taken. It
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  Speaker 2: takes a couple of generations of stage setting. And if
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  Speaker 2: you like, you like what you just said is great.
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  Speaker 2: Going back to the first century, I think God began
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  Speaker 2: the stage setting of the Messianic era of the first
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  Speaker 2: going with Alexander the Great, the Hellenization, right, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: we have Greek getting God established at three hundred years
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  Speaker 2: so that when the time when the Gospel did go out,
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  Speaker 2: be easy to go out. And even Rome coming in
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  Speaker 2: and the census and everything, I mean, these are old powers.
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  Speaker 2: And God's like, yeah, I'm stage setting this because my
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  Speaker 2: son's coming.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, right down to the piercing. Because zachari at twelve ten,
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  Speaker 1: Isaiah fifty three, verse five, Psalm twenty two, verse sixteen,
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  Speaker 1: I'll say his hands and he'll be pierced. The Psalmist
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  Speaker 1: is more clear that his hands and feet will be pierced. Well,
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  Speaker 1: the Jews didn't pierce people and crucified people. They executed
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  Speaker 1: them through stoning. So Rome under POMPEII about what sixty
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  Speaker 1: three BC coming into the land of Israel, taking away
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  Speaker 1: from the Jews the right to execute their own criminals,
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  Speaker 1: and popularizing what the Assyrians had invented, the crucifixion. As
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  Speaker 1: all of that comes into place, that's the Lord moving
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  Speaker 1: his hand in preparation for the piercing of his son.
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  Speaker 1: So if something like that can happen for the first Advent,
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  Speaker 1: clearly we're seeing this kind of thing preparatory for the
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  Speaker 1: Second Advent.
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  Speaker 2: Especially because when we look I tend to think and
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  Speaker 2: oftentimes we see there's a difference between the I think
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  Speaker 2: a prophecy, which prophecy often is a snapshot boom revelation thirteen.
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  Speaker 2: There's a snapshot of this global government that has instituted
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  Speaker 2: a market the beast, and you're like, okay, and then
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  Speaker 2: it steps away.
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  Speaker 3: But you're like, well, how did it get there? Again?
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  Speaker 3: It just didn't happen overnight.
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  Speaker 2: So now you have generations even going back to nineteen
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  Speaker 2: forty seven or the establishment of the United Nations itself,
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  Speaker 2: you know, moving from the League of Nations. I mean
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  Speaker 2: that was a long that's even before Israel.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so you had that.
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  Speaker 2: Idea of needing or precipitating a world government going way back.
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  Speaker 1: And I think the mistake that a lot of our
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  Speaker 1: camp makes that are very enthusiastic about prophecy, and we
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  Speaker 1: should be enthusiastic about Bible prophecy, but they the mistake
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  Speaker 1: we make is we say this is that, in other words,
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  Speaker 1: we confuse stage setting with an actual fulfillment. And that's
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  Speaker 1: where we start saying things like, well, this coming UN
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  Speaker 1: conference is the peace treaty with Israel. We don't know
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  Speaker 1: that yet, and therefore the rapture has to happen at
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  Speaker 1: a particular point to precede these seven years. Well, we
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  Speaker 1: don't know that yet either, I mean, and we don't
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  Speaker 1: know how long the stage setting is going to happen,
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  Speaker 1: you know, before we move into specific fulfillment. So I
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  Speaker 1: think we're confusing a lot of times stage setting with fulfillment.
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  Speaker 2: Especially and again the motive. The motive is I hear,
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  Speaker 2: I'm excited. I'm excited, So to see the stage setting
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  Speaker 2: is really exciting. But then you know, some people are
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  Speaker 2: are They're very careful, which is very wise to say, well,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that the rapture is going to be
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  Speaker 2: between now and then or that is like you said,
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  Speaker 2: that is. But nevertheless, sometimes there's a high level of
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  Speaker 2: implying it yes, and which leads people to let's talk
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  Speaker 2: about that for a moment. Some people well I never
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  Speaker 2: said it was the exact fulfillment, but there's a strong
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  Speaker 2: level of implication. And then so people get excited, and
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  Speaker 2: maybe I think we need to we maybe let's ask
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  Speaker 2: that question. I'm you're a pastor, you know I passed
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  Speaker 2: for a long time. We look out for the different
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  Speaker 2: levels of people in the church, different levels of maturity,
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  Speaker 2: spiritual understanding, all the different and as a shepherd. You
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  Speaker 2: sometimes you have to bring it down to the to
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  Speaker 2: the to the to the least common denominator. But there's
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  Speaker 2: levels of maturity there. So if we if we say
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  Speaker 2: something that potentially could be careless, they're going to run with, well,
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  Speaker 2: so and so said or implied we might have a
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  Speaker 2: way out, say oh, I didn't say that, but they
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  Speaker 2: left with the flavor that man September eighteenth, that's the covenant.
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  Speaker 2: That's that is the Covenant of Daniel Lyne twenty seven.
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  Speaker 2: And then September twenty fifth comes and October fifth comes,
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  Speaker 2: and then it leaves them with what.
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  Speaker 1: Well, if we're not distinguishing, like we are here between
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  Speaker 1: fulfillment and stage setting, and we're giving people the impression
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  Speaker 1: that the prophecies have to be fulfilled a specific time
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  Speaker 1: and start attaching dates or as you say, leaning towards
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  Speaker 1: certain dates, giving our souls a little wiggle room. I
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  Speaker 1: love what you said. What are we doing for the
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  Speaker 1: immature believers in the church. I mean, we're really setting
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  Speaker 1: them up for disappointment and disillusionment. It's it's a lot
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  Speaker 1: like the pro life movement, when a pro lifer goes
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  Speaker 1: off the rails and shoots doctor, a doctor an abortionist.
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  Speaker 1: What does that do to the pro life movement? It
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  Speaker 1: sets it back, I would think a couple of decades.
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  Speaker 1: That's what we do. When we don't distinguish stage setting
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  Speaker 1: from actual fulfillment. We take our whole dispensational eschatological group
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  Speaker 1: and we just lose credibility, not only in the eyes
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  Speaker 1: of Christendom, but in the eyes of the unbelieving world. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I think I had a friend of mine who, well,
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  Speaker 2: I went to school with him, and so this is
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  Speaker 2: probably two thousand and eight. He in graduate school, and
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  Speaker 2: I said, He's like, oh, you're a prophecy guy. And
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  Speaker 2: then back then I go, yeah, man, I'm excited, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and he goes, yeah, you know, he grew
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  Speaker 2: up in a Baptist church. Everything's pre trip, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And he goes, man, you guys, you know. And I
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  Speaker 2: say this in a nice way, but I just got
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  Speaker 2: tired of the burnout. I mean, it's like everything that happened,
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  Speaker 2: it was this, it was this, and again probably whatever
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  Speaker 2: whatever mistakes were happening, and whoever teach was teaching, they
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  Speaker 2: were mistaken the fulfillment for the stage setting. As you
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  Speaker 2: just said that that very good distinction. But for him,
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  Speaker 2: whatever led him there, he's given up on watching it
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  Speaker 2: all now because he just said, I can't take the burnout.
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  Speaker 2: So how do we you know, how do we keep watching?
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  Speaker 2: Jesus told us to watch, right, That's what I say
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  Speaker 2: to us, said, all watch Mark thirteen thirty seven. How
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  Speaker 2: do we keep watching without getting burned out?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. One of the greatest comments I've ever heard or
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  Speaker 1: read in print on this is by the late Charles Rory.
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  Speaker 1: He said, prophecy the field of eschatology is damaged by
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  Speaker 1: its friends and its foes alike, the foes who read
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  Speaker 1: too little into it. And we know, we all know
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  Speaker 1: movements that have moved into allegorization replacement theology, and they
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  Speaker 1: just describe no significance to these end time events. And
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  Speaker 1: then he said, it's equally damaged by people that read
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  Speaker 1: too much into it and cross the line and maybe
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  Speaker 1: start intimating it specific specific fulfillment dates, which is only
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  Speaker 1: going to lead to disillusionment. And so those that's the
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  Speaker 1: balancing act that we are are in as we're doing
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  Speaker 1: this kind of ministry. We're not allegoris. We believe that
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  Speaker 1: these prophecies will happen in real time. But we're not
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  Speaker 1: going to go beyond what scripture says and start ascribing
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  Speaker 1: and assigning dates that the Bible doesn't do. And so
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  Speaker 1: that's a tough balancing act, but we have to do
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  Speaker 1: it to stay credible. I believe so.
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  Speaker 2: The you know, we all know the phraseology or even
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  Speaker 2: the idea of eminence, but even matter twenty four thirty six,
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  Speaker 2: you know, no one knows the day or the hour
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  Speaker 2: is that is? Was that true only in the time
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  Speaker 2: that Jesus said it? And now we can know or
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  Speaker 2: is that true for all time? That no one will
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  Speaker 2: ever know exactly.
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  Speaker 1: My understanding of it is no one will know exactly
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  Speaker 1: I ever. I do well, once you hit the seven
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  Speaker 1: year tribulation period and the actual treaty is entered into
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  Speaker 1: people that understand the world will know because they'll days, right,
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  Speaker 1: and particularly when the temple is yes, yeah, they will know.
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  Speaker 1: But we're not in that time period yet, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So I think the best we can say is, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we're in the general season of the Lord's return. There
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  Speaker 1: are things happening in our world that are absolutely unprecedented,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't think there's any problem bringing that to
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  Speaker 1: people's attention. I mean, just to give you one example,
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  Speaker 1: the two witnesses killed in Jerusalem. It says in Revelation
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  Speaker 1: eleven around verse eight, that the whole world is going
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  Speaker 1: to watch this, Yeah, and then they're going to be
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  Speaker 1: resuscitated and brought into heaven and the whole world is
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  Speaker 1: going to watch and be astonished. Well, one hundred years ago,
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  Speaker 1: how is that even possible? And it's kind of funny
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  Speaker 1: to watch older commentators trying to make sense of that. Well,
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  Speaker 1: we don't have to wonder anymore at all what that means.
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  Speaker 1: We know exactly what it means because we have all
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  Speaker 1: the technology. We can go to websites right now and
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  Speaker 1: look at live feeds of things happening in the temple
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  Speaker 1: area in the city of Jerusalem.
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  Speaker 3: Webcams are everywhere now, yeah, so.
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  Speaker 1: I can look at that and say, you know, we're
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  Speaker 1: certainly in the season of the fulfillment of end time events.
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  Speaker 1: Now as to specific dates, like when people kind of
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  Speaker 1: corner off part of the year as okay, this is
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  Speaker 1: high alert time, I'm wondering, well, what do you do
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  Speaker 1: with the rest of the year. Is the rest of
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  Speaker 1: the year not high alert time? Because as I understand
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  Speaker 1: the Bible prophecy. Every day is high alert time because
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  Speaker 1: the rapture is an imminent event. And so I think
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  Speaker 1: it's you know, crossing the line to me is going
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  Speaker 1: beyond just the prophetics season and moving into specifics that
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  Speaker 1: the Bible doesn't give. That's where we get into trouble.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is when we start saying, I mean we
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  Speaker 2: understand the feasts, you know, Colossians two sixteen, the feasts
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  Speaker 2: are shadow and Jesus fulfilled the first feast. We see that,
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  Speaker 2: the spring feasts, and but when they start, when I've
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  Speaker 2: heard again that framework is there. I mean, I think
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  Speaker 2: Jesus died on love and bread, passover feast, the first
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  Speaker 2: roots fulfilled, even the church on Pentecost.
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  Speaker 3: I see that. That's pretty obvious.
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  Speaker 2: But what I as I've read a variety of things
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  Speaker 2: of people looking at the fall feasts, you know, trumpets,
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  Speaker 2: yom kipur and tabernacles, I haven't seen anything that I
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: felt that was satisfying of how that exactly that would
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: work tightly, tightly, tightly for the second coming, the rapture
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: of the tribulation. And there's like, oh, well, the day
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: the m kupor is representative of the the tribulation. Well, oh,
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: that's interesting because it's a single day and now we're
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: extra planning it into seven years. That didn't we didn't
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: do that for the first the first feast, they were
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: on a specific day. They wasn't extrapolated out. So I mean,
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: have you seen anything that's that you would think is
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: is very tight and nice?
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Well, I like your terminology tight because I have two
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: cars in my garage. They look very similar. They both
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: have a steering wheel and seatbelts and an engine. But
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: it's an error to say car A equals car B.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: So a lot of the one of the logical fallacies
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: you can commit is you say similarity equals equality. And
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: I see that a lot in our prophecy circles. Is
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: people are looking at similarities and there's some very fascinating similarities.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: But until those prophecies actually happen, you can't say it's equality.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: No one has that ability to do that.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think so either. Again, there's there's I
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: love conjecturing, sure, sure, but to two to see it,
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: it's a it's a little I think it's just it's
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: not satisfying. I don't find it fully compelling. Looking historically
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: compelling there it is even first been. It's five to seven,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: and Jesus is our past overland. Great, he's the first fruits, right,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: So we see that. Lets let's transition here for a
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: minute because you know, so we have these we have
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: this upcoming meeting September eighteenth. It's happening starting the day
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: after Rosha Shana ends on September seventeenth. I'll read this
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: last thing and then this is a quote from their
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: June article. It says, this is what they're recommending in
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: these seventeen different sustainable goals. It says at the global level,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: a once in a generation commitment is needed to overhaul
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: the international financial and economic system so that it responds
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: to today's challenges, not those of the nineteen forties. It
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: is essential that countries have the resources needed at scale
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: to invest in both their immediate recovery and in long
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: term sustainable development outcomes, including climate action. A surge in
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: SDG financing is needed, with a SDG stimulus of five
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: hundred billion dollars per year, with simultaneous reforms of the
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: international financial architecture. This is a lot here to make
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: it resilient, equitable and accessible for all. It is also
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: critical that developing countries have better access to global trade, science, technology,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: and innovation. Unprecedented collaboration among Group G twenty members will
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: be needed to support developing countries to advance SDG and
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: climate action. It's not too late to turn this around.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: So here they're talking about overhauling financial overhauling financial and
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: economic system.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: What do you think that, let's speculate, let's have fun here.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: What do you think this is referring to that? What
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: are their goals here?
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Well, the ultimate name of the game when you're talking
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: about globalists is you want to erase the doctrine of
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: the nation state. In other words, they're thinking is our
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: problems are global in nature, so they're not going to
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: be resolved through individual nations. So ultimately they want to
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: do is bring in kind of a supra structure, a
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: transnational structure that the other nations of the Earth have
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: to acquiesce to. And supposedly we all have to do
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: this because our problems are global in nature and the
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: only solution is global government. And so it's a way
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: really to consolidate power into fewer and fewer hands.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: And I think here, as we've seen this, to me,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: this reeks of the great reset. To overhaul the international
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: and economic system is to respond to today's challenge. So
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: what I just read was we need to reset it
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: because in order to respond to what they deem are
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: the crises, the fear mongering that they just spend on
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: the first part of it, we got to reset everything
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: and economically, financial and economics. You're like, well, that sure
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: sounds interesting that economics appears in Revelation thirteen, which we
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: see as that snapshot is the end, but again the
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: stage setting, how does it get there? Well, we all
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: believe that that snapshot of Revelation thirteen is most likely
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: a cashless or digital type system or something at least
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: cashless economic, But how do you get there obliterating that's
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: my word, or overhauling? We see, that's what's going on
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: now right with CBDCs, with the FED. Now that's just
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: one government part of it. They really do need to
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: get rid of cash, right.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the citizen has to shrink in terms
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: of privacy, autonomy, state has to grow. So all these
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: things you're reading about here is pushing us, you know,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: in the in that direction. Now, this we want to
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: be clear, is not the mark of the Beast correct,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: because we don't have the beast yet. My understanding is
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: that system is not really fully functional, or let me
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: put it this way, up and running until the second
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: half of the tribulation period basically. But as we said earlier,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: prophecies can't be fulfilled in a vacuum. I mean, you
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: can't go from a independent and prosperous America where citizens
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: have autonomy and freedom to that kind of system that
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: we're talking about in Revelation thirteen without a stage setting
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: transitional period. So that's the category I put these things in.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: It.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: It's inching us. Maybe that's not even the best word,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: because it seems to be happening pretty quick. But we're
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: being what was it Cass Sunstein in the administration has
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: the book called Nudge. You know, we're being nudged in
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: this globalist direction. I think the CEO of Blackrock the
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: tape that surfaced in twenty seventeen where he basically made
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: a statement that you know, you know, people have to
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: be forced into correct, correct behavior. Yep, we're being pushed, nudged,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: whatever word you want to use, you know, into this
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: system that ultimately will become the market of the Beast. System.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And so again we have for those listening,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: we have this, we have the snapshot of the end
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: or the snapshot of a system in place. But then
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: going back that these are all just part of the
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: stage setting. And so we were not saying that this
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: is the market of the Beast or this is Revelation thirteenth.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: Clearly it's not.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: But the snapshot we have, we extrapolate backwards and we go, oh,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: this idea of overhauling the financial system. We think, well,
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: that certainly would make sense of how they would do that.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: So that when that time, which we see is Revelation thirteen. Yeah,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: this is this is where a lot of that begins.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: So let's let's let's let's talk a little bit about
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: we've kind of laid the foundation for this conference that's
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: coming up, this UN conference that is seeking to reaffirm
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: their words recommit based on the twenty fifteen Paris Agreement, so.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: For seven years.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: So in the Book of Daniel, chapter nine, this is
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: where I think some people are making some parallels. And
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: my question is, okay, let's just see the fact is
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: September eighteen, this is what they're doing. They have the recommitment,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: they have a seven year goal to reach twenty thirty.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Does this match what we would expect from an exegetical perspective?
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: In Daniel nine t seven or I'll read it here,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: it just says, this is the ESV. He shall make
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: a strong covenant with many for one week, and for
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: half of the week he shall put an end to
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: sacrifice an offering. On the wing of abomination, shall come
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: one who makes desolate until the decreed end is poured
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: out on the desolt. Later, so you have the new
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: King James. Maybe read the New King James and see
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: how we have a little bit of variation.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, says then he shall confirm a covenant with the
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Many for one week, but in the middle of the
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: week he shall bring an end to sacrifice an offering,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: and on the wing of abominations shall be one who
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: makes desolate even until the consummation, which is determined, is
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: poured out on the desolate.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: So we have some similarities, we have some differences there.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: But I think let's start out with what we're answering today.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Is we're trying to is is this prophecy in Venue
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: ninet twenty seven? Could it be fulfilled by the United Nations?
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Making this recommitment with the nations of the world for
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: seven years.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Are they similar?
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: First of all, I would say, from an next gentle perspective,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: what's the context who we have a covenant with the many?
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: That's it's clear in Hebrew.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Lah, But what's the context here? Who's this covenant with
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: and who and who's making it? Going back to even
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: verse twenty four help us out.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the many is Israel. If you go
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: over to Daniel eleven thirty three, I think you'll see
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: that the many there is defined as the nation of Israel.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: So when people are saying this many is these conglomeration
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: of nations that the UN is pushing towards these SDGs,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't think the two this passage and
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: what we see happening there is exactly the same. More,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: when you go back to Daniel nine twenty four, and
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: what people need to understand is God gave to Israel
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: a clock. Four hundred and eighty three of the four
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: hundred and ninety years have expired, leaving seven years left
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: for the nation of Israel. That's our whole logic for
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: believing in a future seven year tribulation period. And when
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: God entered into that clock with Israel. As Daniel way
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: back in the sixth century, you know, during the days
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: of the Babylonian captivity, was given this four hundred and
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: ninety year stopwatch, as I'll call it. It says very
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: clearly in Daniel Chapter nine, verse twenty four that this
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: is given seventy seven's four hundred years. Four hundred ninety years,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: in other words, are determined for your people and your
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: holy city. So who was Daniel's people Israel? Who was
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: his city Jerusalem? So unless this seven year issue that
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: we're talking about here with the United Nations specifically relates
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: to Israel and the city of Jerusalem, which as far
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: as I can tell, it does not specifically, we're not
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: in a position to say this is that.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that as you said, there there's a
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: similarity of there's some similarity of language. I would say,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: really the the they're not calling it a covenant for sure,
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: but that's that's okay. They're called it an agreement, the
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Paris Climate Agreement from twenty fifteen. I tend to look
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: at this and say, there's it's I'll be stronger for
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: USBI from Ondo in that I think what's happening in
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: September seventeenth and eighteenth, or is it's not even possible
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: that this could be a fulfillment of Daniel nine twenty
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: seven because of what we just said.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: Is that number one.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: The unless that day comes and they say this is
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: specifically targeting Israel, which was there's nothing in this little
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: thing that we read about that agreement specifically targeting Israel
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: and the city of Jerusalem and the people of Israel,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: then you'd have to say, well, is it this UN
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Secretary General Because there's a he it's a singular right,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: There's going to be this one singular individual, not a
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: plurality of agreements. Right, So there's several things that weigh
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: against that even being possible unless somehow the information that
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: we get about that fall conference changes, which hypothetically, I
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: suppose one guy could arise out of there and say,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: heck with all the other nations, I want this to
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: agreement to be with Israel for seven years. That would
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: be the only way I could say that would be
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: even possible to be fulfilled.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Right, I mean you use the language tightening up. There
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: has to be a lot more tightening between now and then. However,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: stage setting, stage setting global government yep, seven year increments. Hmm.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Seems like we're inching closer to what the Bible says,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: but we can't say this is that.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's interesting too that there's I guess in
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: my mind, we've got to remember that the original Covenant
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: was fifteen years, so they didn't really have anything significant
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: about seven. It just happens to be that right now.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: They're taking advantage of the current political geopolitical climate to say,
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: let's reaffirm it now. Could this be if we're being
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: very broad and generous, if they talk about seven years
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: here and then maybe later they like the seven year
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: idea and the Antichrist likes the seven year idea because
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: they've used it before, back in twenty twenty three.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: Whatever that means.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Could that stage set in their thinking of a seven
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: year Maybe that doesn't bother me.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean, what's happening now could evolve
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: further into what the Bible says, and that's what we say.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: I think that's what we keep seeing with all these
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: stage setting things. That's the reason they're so interesting to
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: us is they don't seem to make a U turn
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: and go back the opposite direction. I mean just the
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: development of technology. You know, Uh, you talked earlier about
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: a cash list society. We're not moving further and further
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: away from that idea, No, you know, we're getting We're
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: getting closer and closer. That's why all this stuff is
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: so intriguing. It's just in our camp we have a
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: lot of enthusiasts that haven't been taught the difference between
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: stage setting and fulfillment, and they're making unwarranted conclusions. Is
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: what I think is happening.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: And sometimes, you know, you use the word intimate. I
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: think that's oftentimes it's it's not well, I didn't say it, yeah,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: but you intimated it. And I know if I if
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: I say to my wife something and I can I
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: want to leave myself out the caveat she's I could say, well,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: I didn't say that, she goes, yeah, but you intimated it.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: You're just as guilty, you know in that regard.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Let me ask you this question because one of the
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: things that comes down in the Daniel nine twenty seven
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: comes down really to the first word that you have
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: there coming from Gavar, this idea of strong or to strength,
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: and this is it's very unique. It's in a hiphil
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: for those that want to know it's a Hebrew hipphil.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: It only appears one other time, in Psalm twelve five.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: So some versions like again the New King James says
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: he will confirm a covenant, the ESV says he shall
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: make the linguistics of that vary twice, it only appears twice.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Can we be dogmatic either way on whether it means
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: confirm something original or to make something that would be original.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: What's your thoughts?
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think you could be dogmatic because I've
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: heard preachers prophecy. Teachers say what has to happen is
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: you have have to strengthen something that already exists. Yeah,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: you have to make it stronger. Well, I would be
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: much more comfortable saying that's an option. Yeah, that's a possibility,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: but there's other possibilities exegetically and linguistically as well. The
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: way I'm understanding Prophecy is, I know this is not
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: in chapter nine, but over in chapter twelve he talks
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: there about many will go to and fro and knowledge
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: will increase. Now I'm understanding going to and fro as reading.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: You're reading to and fro and knowledge is increasing knowledge
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: of what knowledge of the prophetic word. In other words, prophecy,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: by God's design, is meant to get clearer and clearer
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: the closer and closer you move towards the fulfillment of
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: those events. So our generation knows a lot more about
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: it than a past generation, not because we're smarter, living
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: at the right point in time.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: More correlations.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but should the Lord Terry. The next generation will
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: understand it a lot better than we will, and certainly
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: the people in the tribulation period itself, because we know
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: that there will be people converted post rapture, we'll understand
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: it way better than all of us. Books.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: They're going to be able to say, I want to
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: go find his library.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: And so I call this and I'm real careful about it.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: This is not progressive revelation because revelation has been given,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: books of the Bible been written. It's our understanding of them.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Particularly in eschatology. Prophecy increases as you get closer and
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: closer to the end. So with all of that being said,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: that's why we have to hold on to loosely some
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: of these things we see in the world. I mean,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: we may see part of the picture, but not the
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: whole picture yet, because we're not living in the exact
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: right amount of increment of time. So it's just a
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: matter of being somewhat humble about it, you know, and
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: not dogmatizing.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: I would totally agree, because I think that's why I
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: was asking is this required by Is this required to
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: mean a reaffirmation of a pre existing And I think
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: it doesn't.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: That's very important.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: One commentary the way that again, a lot of people
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: they talk about the nature of this particular Hebrew word
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: in this particular sense, but this person wrote force the
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: idea of making it's forcing an agreement by means of
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: superior strength, And even the Paul Tanner commentary it says this,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: looking at some of this, it says, the Hipphil then
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: might mean something like he will cause a covenant to
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: be strong because it is a causative.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: That's what the Hifhil does.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Or great for the many. This does not seem to
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: lend support to the idea that the covenant itself is strong,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: much less that he confirms. Rather, the idea seems to
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: be that he strongly establishes a covenant with the many,
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: or perhaps that he enforces covenant. This receives some support
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: from the septuageno Theodosian, you know. So the second thing
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: to let's just kind of summarize here. So we're saying
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: that the text is saying that we can't be dogmatic
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: on that it's a reaffirmation of a presisting covenant.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: It can be.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: But then secondly, the many lavra viem and Hebrew only
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: appears in Daniel eleven thirty three. So who is the many?
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: I think that's a little stronger linguistically, especially if we
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: keep it in the Book of Daniel. This phrase only
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: appears like seven times in the whole Testament. It relates
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: to that construction. But Daniel eleven thirty three clearly is
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  Speaker 2: referring to Jews.
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  Speaker 1: Right, And when you do word studies, it's you're working
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  Speaker 1: your way outward. Yes, So obviously they examining the same
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  Speaker 1: word has the most potency inside the same book written
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  Speaker 1: by the same author. Yeah, particularly if it's in the
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  Speaker 1: same context.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And two chapters later, it's pretty much in the it's.
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  Speaker 1: In the prophetic, you know, generally the prophetic section. Well
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  Speaker 1: that that should carry the most weight. Now, once you've
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  Speaker 1: established that, it's okay of drifting outward. Further, I noticed
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  Speaker 1: you had Esther and you know, some Isaiah and some others,
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  Speaker 1: and you could take those into account, but you hold
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  Speaker 1: onto those a little bit more loosely exactly. And so
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  Speaker 1: that's why I think the many here is not, you know,
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  Speaker 1: some kind of agreement with all the nations. It's it's
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  Speaker 1: more focused on Israel.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I guess if we the as we kind of
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  Speaker 2: wrap this up in thinking about the what's coming, this
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  Speaker 2: fall stage setting for sure contributing to.
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  Speaker 3: The overall.
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  Speaker 2: End game that we see in the prophetic snapshots not
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  Speaker 2: only of Revelation but of others. But I think my
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  Speaker 2: encouragement is to people is is think, in terms of
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  Speaker 2: a new believer or even an unbeliever, that we need
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  Speaker 2: to be super super careful to even really intimate things
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  Speaker 2: because and not leave ourselves out this caveat Well, I
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  Speaker 2: didn't say it specifically. I think that's just that's unhealthy.
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  Speaker 2: I've seen the damage that it does. I have too, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, and we how many people, I mean, we've
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  Speaker 2: seen it over and over those watching going back to
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  Speaker 2: eighty eight reasons.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, that's right.
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  Speaker 2: You know the other book I got saved in nineteen
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  Speaker 2: ninety three, and the first book, it was like nineteen
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  Speaker 2: ninety four, this is it, and I got pretty excited.
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  Speaker 2: And then it was, you know, the year two thousand
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  Speaker 2: and then it was twenty twelve, and then well, twenty
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  Speaker 2: eleven with the Harold Camping yep, and we see so
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  Speaker 2: many people get burned down.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. In fact, I was teaching the Bible local Bible
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  Speaker 1: College at the time, and it was around that time
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  Speaker 1: when Harold Camping's prophecies were popular, and the students asked
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  Speaker 1: me what I thought about those, and I went up
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  Speaker 1: to my office and got his nineteen ninety four books. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: exactly is twenty and eleven. I go, here's what I
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  Speaker 1: think Camping's prophecies. He's he's crossed the line. He's no
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  Speaker 1: longer dealing with stage setting. He's moved into specific areas
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  Speaker 1: that God has given us no revelation on concerning dates
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  Speaker 1: and timing stage setting. I'm good. But when you start
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  Speaker 1: to drop out of life and I'm actually teaching, it's
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  Speaker 1: interesting you bring all this up. I'm actually teaching Second
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  Speaker 1: Thessalonians right now at my local church. That's the point
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  Speaker 1: of the book, because there were people that were quitting.
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  Speaker 1: They weren't holding down jobs. There were Paul calls them
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  Speaker 1: busy bodies because they felt that they were in the
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  Speaker 1: seven year tribulation period. So Jesus is going to touch
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  Speaker 1: down in less than seven years, and why save for
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: retirement or hold down a job or anything. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and you were talking about you've seen the damage. That's
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: the kind of damage that happens when we go beyond
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  Speaker 1: what's written.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that. So the clarification is is I
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  Speaker 2: don't for me, it's that I'm not I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to lump somebody who is even hinting or intimating something
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  Speaker 2: might happen this fall in the same camp as someone
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  Speaker 2: who's making specific prophecy. Obviously there's a distinction. What I'm
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  Speaker 2: saying is that even those that are hinting it still
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  Speaker 2: are going to be causing damage. Sure that that's ultimately, Hey, guys,
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  Speaker 2: it's not as wise, it's best not even to hint it.
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  Speaker 1: Right at it.
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly right as it relates. Now, we could say, hey,
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  Speaker 2: could that be a stage setting thing?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I guess we'll find out. But any final words you have.
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  Speaker 1: No, I just I think this is a great conversation.
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  Speaker 1: It's a healthy conversation. It's it's something that's needed in
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: our camp, because in our camp we don't really have
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  Speaker 1: the allegoris, but we do have sensationalists, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: we don't want to by our heads in the sand
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  Speaker 1: and pretend like things happening in our world have no significance.
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  Speaker 1: There's a large sector of the Body of Christ that
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: does that, and we're not part of that. But there's
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  Speaker 1: another sector that ascribes too much meaning to prophetic subjects.
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  Speaker 1: They go, I keep going back to this, They go
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  Speaker 1: beyond what's written, and we don't want to go down
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  Speaker 1: that road either you know, or even him at things
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  Speaker 1: that God doesn't reveal because of disillusionment that sets in
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  Speaker 1: and the discrediting of our movement.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, And I'll speak from my own personal failure.
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  Speaker 2: And so I mean being excited, but then allowing that
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: excitement and any emotion to then I think I've discovered
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  Speaker 2: something like maybe a connection between this or a certain
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  Speaker 2: number and this verse, and then my emotion is excited,
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  Speaker 2: and then now I have double emotion of believing I've
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  Speaker 2: discovered something unique, and then I allow that to flavor
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  Speaker 2: my hermeneutics or my exto Jesus or how I interpreted.
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  Speaker 2: I think then I can't see it any other way.
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  Speaker 2: Then I'm in big trouble. So I've done that myself.
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  Speaker 2: And of course I evnan never it really didn't have
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  Speaker 2: a public ministry. But I remember one time I was
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  Speaker 2: so excited seeing things in the late nineties and I
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: was teaching a Bible study. I was a newer believer.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: I was teaching a high school group and we were
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: talking about revelation and they were like, well, Manda, when
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: do you think Jesus coming. Do you think it's gonna
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: be the year two thousand, and I'm like, no, probably not. But
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: I said guaranteed, guaranteed by the time by twenty ten,
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: because I saw so much going on.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't think any of them have ever remembered.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: I hope they don't.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: But then twenty ten came and then twenty fifteen and twenty,
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, I hope they have forgotten what I
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: said back then. And I said it because I was enthusiastic.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: I was excited to see the Lord. But in that
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: it's still not wise and I don't want to hurt
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  Speaker 2: anybody's faith and cause it to be burned out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I taught a Bible study in nineteen eighty nine
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  Speaker 1: on the Book of Revelation. And the only I was
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: about twenty two years old when I did it. And
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: the only thing I can say amen too, is the
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: internet didn't exist then and so there's no record.
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  Speaker 3: Of what you taught back.
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  Speaker 1: Good, So I appreciate God's grace.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Then well, doctor Wood, appreciate your time. And here we are.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for listening to our podcast this week. Again,
• 45:29
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• 45:31
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• 45:33
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• 45:37
  Speaker 2: But this is an important topic and keep watching as
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: we are. You know, Gary likes to say, we like
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: to say we are watching as Jesus told us to.
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  Speaker 2: So appreciate listening this week and we'll see you next time.