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Thor’s Hammer with Jordan Hanson · The Trauma Therapist

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Trauma Theverists podcast. My name is guiming
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Speaker 1: Person and I interview incredible people who share the story
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Speaker 1: of how trauma has shaped their lives. And a big
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Speaker 1: Our folks, welcome back to the podcast. I'm very excited
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Speaker 1: to as my guest today. Jordan Hansen. Jordan, welcome, Thank you,
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Speaker 1: thank you for having me. You're welcome. Jordan is the
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Speaker 1: founder of Jordan's Artful Wellness, Massage Therapists, yoga instructor, and
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Speaker 1: brain injury survivor whose life was profoundly changed after sustaining
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Speaker 1: a severe injury from transcranial magnetic stimulation or TMS. Drawing
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Speaker 1: from personal recovery, she blends her professional training in bodywork
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Speaker 1: and nervous system regulation with a lived experience to support
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Speaker 1: others navigating trauma, chronic illness, and neurological INDI. Through writing, advocacy,
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Speaker 1: and community education, Jordan is raising awareness about misunderstood brain
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Speaker 1: injuries while empowering others to approach healing with compassion, patience,
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Speaker 1: and curiosity. Joy let's do this all right before we
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Speaker 1: get going share with all listeners where you're from originally
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Speaker 1: and where you are currently.
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Speaker 2: I am originally from the East Coast in North Carolina,
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Speaker 2: and I currently am in Washington State, south southwest Washington.
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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so let's get into it. How did
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Speaker 1: all this start for you?
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Speaker 2: So, I mean, like, mainly what brought me here is
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Speaker 2: obviously the advocacy for brain injury. So I was recommended
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Speaker 2: TMS or transcrinomagnetic stimulation from a psychiatrist, and I was
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Speaker 2: recommended as psychiatrist via my talk therapist, and she basically
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Speaker 2: said that I had an unstable mood at times, not
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Speaker 2: necessarily cyclical, not necessarily deep dark waves of depression, but
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Speaker 2: just enough that she thought some medical intervention would be helpful.
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Speaker 2: So I sat in with a.
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Speaker 3: Psychiatrist for two hours.
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Speaker 2: Of an intake, and I was told that I had
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Speaker 2: an overactive amygdala and this new device called TNS would
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Speaker 2: help me not only better myself and my overactive amygdala,
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Speaker 2: but better me and my future chance of being a mother,
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Speaker 2: a spouse, and things of that nature. So for me,
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Speaker 2: in my time, when I had done five years of
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Speaker 2: other types of therapies like EMDR talk therapy, and things
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Speaker 2: of that nature. I was kind of convinced that this
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Speaker 2: was the next next step for me. Usually it's thirty
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Speaker 2: six treatments is what's recommended.
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Speaker 3: Upgrades of the shop.
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Speaker 1: How old were you, Jordan, I was.
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Speaker 2: I was thirty thirty three, okay, and I was, you know,
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Speaker 2: obviously recommended it and then thirty six to fifty six
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Speaker 2: treatments and I only did three before I voluntarily quit
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Speaker 2: because the symptoms adverge symptoms were so incredibly severe upon
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Speaker 2: the first treatment.
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Speaker 1: What hold hang on? What was what is TMS? Give
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Speaker 1: our listeners a kind of.
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Speaker 2: Overview, So again, transcernental magnetic stimulation not very clear in
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Speaker 2: the name, but essentially what it was described to me
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Speaker 2: is that it is a device and some of them
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Speaker 2: are helmets.
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Speaker 3: Some of them have like wands.
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Speaker 2: And arms that go over to usually the left side
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Speaker 2: of your head, since that is your prefrontal cortex, where
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Speaker 2: the mood center is. That's what they're targeting with electromagnetic energy.
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Speaker 2: And it is supposedly supposed to stickulate dormant areas of
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Speaker 2: the brain, and because I had an overactive magdala, they
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Speaker 2: were trying to stimulate every other area around to allow
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Speaker 2: my magdala to calm down, so to speak, so that
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Speaker 2: it's usually there's a bunch of different protocols with a
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Speaker 2: protocol that I did was a nineteen minute session and
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Speaker 2: you do it consecutively for about six eight weeks, every
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Speaker 2: single day.
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Speaker 3: Usually weekends are off.
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Speaker 1: Now when you're receiving this treatment, are you feeling anything?
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Speaker 2: So they is described that it should feel like a
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Speaker 2: woodpecker or a rubber band snapping on your head, but
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Speaker 2: for me, it was much much more severe.
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Speaker 3: Actually, I described to.
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Speaker 2: Both the technician and a psychiatrist on day one in
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Speaker 2: the room that it felt like Thor's hammer slimming down
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Speaker 2: on an ice pick. I mean, my eyes instantly welled
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Speaker 2: and I frozen in fear because the pain was so it.
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Speaker 1: Now that that is not the actual device doing that, correct, correct.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a magnet that's just resting on your head.
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Speaker 2: So it's the energy that's going through the magnet penetrating
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Speaker 2: the skull to the brain tissue.
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Speaker 1: Wow. Yes, So what happens your experiences for the first
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Speaker 1: time and you're like, all right, I'm going back tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: So the halfway through in the nineteen minute session, the
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Speaker 2: psychiatrist asked me on a pain scale one to ten,
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Speaker 2: ten being hospital, how are you feeling? And I'm a
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Speaker 2: little wordy with my explanations, so I kind of gave
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Speaker 2: her a backstory that I have a very high pain tolerance,
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Speaker 2: but I'm thinking it's an eight or nine, and she
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Speaker 2: decided to continue with the rest of the nineteen minutes.
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Speaker 2: So I have a people pleasing nature, and also I'm
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Speaker 2: a marathon runner, so I have that not no pain,
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Speaker 2: no gay mentality, but that push through it because the
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Speaker 2: end goal could be worth it, and that's kind of
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Speaker 2: the drive. The idea of being a better spouse, being
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Speaker 2: a better future mother kind of kept me going. So
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Speaker 2: I after finishing that nineteen minute session, I left the
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Speaker 2: clinic instantly burst into tears, and then upon arriving home,
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Speaker 2: I froze. I was disassociating, and I was drooling, just
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Speaker 2: staring at the wall, and throughout that rest of that
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Speaker 2: evening I was dropping things. I was tripping up and
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Speaker 2: down the stairs. Meanwhile, you know, you gave a wonderful
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Speaker 2: intro for me. I am a yoga instructor and I
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Speaker 2: used to teach with my eyes closed, so those types
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Speaker 2: of behaviors were very, very abnormal for me. When I
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Speaker 2: went in this day too, because it was back to
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Speaker 2: back subsequent treatments. I explained all of this to the
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Speaker 2: staff and they told me that I was just overly
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Speaker 2: sensitive and I should trust the process and keep going.
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Speaker 2: And I did, And that's what got me through day
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Speaker 2: two and day three was I'm the pro pro and
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Speaker 2: I should just I should.
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Speaker 3: Push through and hopefully it'll be better. I'll get used
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Speaker 3: to it. So I did make sense. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Unfortunately for me, what got me to stop at three
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Speaker 2: instead of doing the full course of recommended thirty six
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Speaker 2: to fifty six treatments was the fact that I was
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Speaker 2: training for a marathon and I was six days away,
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Speaker 2: and had I not had that race on a schedule,
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Speaker 2: and had I not been able to run it, I.
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Speaker 3: Think I would have kept going. So I had to.
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Speaker 2: Drop out of my race because I had such incredible
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Speaker 2: pain from the TMS sessions. I was extremely fatigued. I
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Speaker 2: was slurring my words. I could not speak in full
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Speaker 2: coherent sentences, which is very abnormal for me. My friend
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Speaker 2: at the time was in school to be a doctor
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Speaker 2: of physical therapy, and she noticed my feet were really
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Speaker 2: heavy and I was tripping as we were walking the dogs,
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Speaker 2: and so all of these changes, because I was training
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Speaker 2: for a marathon in such good shape, was the perfect
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Speaker 2: red flag for me to say, Okay, listen to your gut,
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Speaker 2: listen to your intuition. Something went wrong and you may
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Speaker 2: not know what it is, but this is not a
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Speaker 2: good treatment for you. I've met other people that have
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Speaker 2: undergone this treatment and continued, all of them despite the symptoms.
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Speaker 3: So I do feel lucky for.
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Speaker 1: That, despite the same symptoms.
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Speaker 3: Correct, Yes, yes, I've met so many.
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Speaker 1: How do you so you stopped? I did? What did
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Speaker 1: you do?
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Speaker 2: I slept a lot, so first, the first month, I
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Speaker 2: was probably sleeping nine to twelve hours during the day
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Speaker 2: in addition to the ten to twelve hours at night.
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Speaker 2: I mean I was sleeping twenty four to seven essentially,
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Speaker 2: is what it felt like. Maybe an hour or two
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Speaker 2: that I wasn't and I dug deep into googling.
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Speaker 3: Any adverse effects.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I felt so alone and so scared, and
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Speaker 2: I don't know if it was the exact right key
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Speaker 2: stroke at the exact right time, but I came across
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Speaker 2: a gentleman's blog on not in America who described a
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Speaker 2: situation exactly like mine. Five years prior, and he had
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Speaker 2: these same exact symptoms. He actually went under the full
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Speaker 2: course of treatment thirty six and he kept going, but
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Speaker 2: he had the same time.
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Speaker 1: How would you, How could one keep going? I don't care.
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Speaker 2: I think it's the hope of wanting to better yourself
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Speaker 2: so much that you and now in talking to other
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Speaker 2: people that are in the same situation I am in,
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Speaker 2: but don't quite believe that they are having adverse effects.
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Speaker 2: There's something called the TMS dip that describes a lot
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Speaker 2: of the symptoms that I was experiencing, and most people,
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Speaker 2: according to the science that's behind TMS, would experience this
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Speaker 2: dip around this second or third week sometimes session, like
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Speaker 2: in the teens to twenties, and it's the same thing.
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Speaker 2: It's irritability, it's cognition deficits sometimes extreme exhaustion, and so
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Speaker 2: a lot of people are seeing that there's this dip
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Speaker 2: and they're hoping that Okay, by session twenty five it
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Speaker 2: will stop.
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Speaker 3: I'll get used to it.
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Speaker 2: So there's a little bit of that, there's a little
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Speaker 2: bit of this hope and drive to be better. Because
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Speaker 2: most people that are recommended TMS, unlike myself, have been
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Speaker 2: battling with depression for years and years and have tried
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Speaker 2: tons of different medications, and unlike myself, I hadn't tried
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Speaker 2: any medications. So I feel like for them, there's just
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Speaker 2: this more hope that if this doesn't work, then they
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Speaker 2: don't know what else, what other cards are on the
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Speaker 2: table for them. And so this gentleman that I met with,
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Speaker 2: he went through the full four course and it was
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Speaker 2: the same time for reasoning he wanted to get better.
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Speaker 2: But he has since spoken out and created a support
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Speaker 2: group that I belong to now of thousands upon thousands
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Speaker 2: of people that are injured and some have hearing loss,
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Speaker 2: vision loss, brain injury symptoms exactly like nine and they
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Speaker 2: are struggling every day to get better. So if I
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Speaker 2: had not found nor scheduled a zoom interview with him
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Speaker 2: to understand his story and how he healed, I don't
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Speaker 2: think I would have the encouragement that I wasn't alone.
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Speaker 2: And that's what he really brought me, which was really helpful.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's strengthened numbers is a really powerful thing,
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Speaker 2: especially when you're on the outside of a medical intervention
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Speaker 2: or procedure that is said to be eighty three percent
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Speaker 2: effective and zero systemic side effects. I felt absolutely crazy.
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Speaker 1: What do they know or do you know what was
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Speaker 1: actually happening. I created those adverse symptoms.
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Speaker 2: So scientifically, the only thing I have is the gentleman
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Speaker 2: that I mentioned who created the support or his name
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Speaker 2: is Jans Hall, and he's worked with several scientists and
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Speaker 2: physicists who have tried to study what is going on
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Speaker 2: in the brain. And he's worked with a lot of
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Speaker 2: people who study ECT as well, because this is kind
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Speaker 2: of like the lower, less invasive version.
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Speaker 1: Of E's going to say that sounds like it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, So he's done studies on the level of
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Speaker 2: energy that enters the head via TMS on the electromagnetic.
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Speaker 3: And it's like one and a half tesla, and he
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Speaker 3: did all.
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Speaker 2: These amazing conversions to understand what it was and basically
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Speaker 2: just to put it down in terms that I understand,
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Speaker 2: it is about one or fifteen hundred times stronger energy
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Speaker 2: wise than the when they did ECT. They found that
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Speaker 2: level of energy that damage is cells TMS is one
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Speaker 2: thy five hundred times stronger. So there is energy admitting
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Speaker 2: into your head that's damaging cells and a staggering number.
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Speaker 2: So that's the science that I believed in what happened
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Speaker 2: because I now have scans that prove it. I have
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Speaker 2: MRAs and spect images that show large divots and cellular
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Speaker 2: and vascular damage on the left side of my head,
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Speaker 2: so I tend.
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Speaker 3: To side with that. I've also talked to people that.
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Speaker 2: Are very pro TMS and have made their careers on it,
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Speaker 2: and they say the science isn't just there, So I
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Speaker 2: honestly think it depends on who you speak to, and
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Speaker 2: it's unfortunately very misunderstood to be so clear.
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Speaker 1: That leaves the question, then, what injuries did you sustain
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Speaker 1: are you living with now?
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Speaker 2: So most of them are traumatic for injury symptoms.
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Speaker 1: So I.
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Speaker 2: Have convergence in sufficiency. My eyes don't work together as
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Speaker 2: well anymore. I have diplopia double vision.
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Speaker 3: I have my.
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Speaker 2: Right eye because the energy was on the left side.
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Speaker 2: A lot of times our body crosses, you know, with
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Speaker 2: what controls the.
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Speaker 3: Side of our body, and.
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Speaker 2: The brain corresponds, So my right side is my main
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Speaker 2: issue with my vision. I have recovered a lot with
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Speaker 2: speech therapy.
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Speaker 3: My main deficit is following.
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Speaker 2: I have to now have subtitles if I'm going to
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Speaker 2: have or watch a movie or have some longer form content,
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Speaker 2: I have to either stop, pause, ask questions, have some
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Speaker 2: sort of subtitles that I can follow along more clearly.
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Speaker 2: And the physical deficits of that work more linked to
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Speaker 2: my vision. So a lot of the heaviness of my
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Speaker 2: walking and tripping and things like that were mainly due
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Speaker 2: to my vision deficiencies, more invisibly now.
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Speaker 3: That I'm more recovering from after a lot of those.
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Speaker 2: Other symptoms are extreme fatigue, and that also comes cognitively
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Speaker 2: and just in a function in general. When I do
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Speaker 2: too much in a day, I'm down for the count
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Speaker 2: for four hours. My even four hour naps don't feel
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Speaker 2: like I'm really rebuilding and recovering. I get very slow
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Speaker 2: on my cognition and thinking and speaking, so word finding
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Speaker 2: feels like I'm hitting and slamming a wall. I cannot
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Speaker 2: think of simple words, and I usually I have notes
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Speaker 2: everywhere I go now because of because of this, so
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Speaker 2: I can look over look at my highlight and try
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Speaker 2: to focus on a word, so I can kind of
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Speaker 2: hide it a little bit better. But those are the
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Speaker 2: main symptoms that I'm living with now. The convergence and
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Speaker 2: sufficiency I don't think will ever be one hundred percent,
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Speaker 2: but I'm very thankful that I've recovered as much as
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Speaker 2: I have.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, you look up TBI.
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Speaker 2: I ticked every single box except a loss of consciousness
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Speaker 2: and nausea for me.
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Speaker 3: Damn Yes, Yes, it's.
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Speaker 1: The Jesus Jordan and that's so now you're working with
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Speaker 1: to help other people. Yes, talk to us about that.
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Speaker 1: How did that come about?
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Speaker 2: I kind of in that the gentleman that I mentioned,
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Speaker 2: James Hall, and speaking with him for the first year
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Speaker 2: after my injury, he told me to focus on myself
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Speaker 2: and focus on my healing because it was so misunderstood.
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Speaker 2: And I mean he was so right. I walked into
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Speaker 2: doctors' offices and I got chuckles when I said teams
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Speaker 2: caused my brain injury. And I finally met people that understood.
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Speaker 2: I met neuroaptometrist, who was just such a godsend. My
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Speaker 2: physical therapist.
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Speaker 3: She was kind of my.
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Speaker 2: One woman superhero for so long because she saw all
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Speaker 2: the deficits that I carried and helped me until I
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Speaker 2: started to find other people that understood my injury. So
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Speaker 2: I think because I struggled so much with being believed
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Speaker 2: that I realized if somebody wasn't wired the same way
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Speaker 2: I was or didn't have the support system that I did,
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Speaker 2: or didn't find the friends and connection that I did
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Speaker 2: throughout this process, how would they heal? And I so
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Speaker 2: badly wanted to be that person that they could see
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Speaker 2: video footage that I took or pictures or read my
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Speaker 2: blog or connected with me online to understand that they're
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Speaker 2: believed and they have somebody here. And that was kind
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Speaker 2: of my drive of Okay, I want to get better first,
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Speaker 2: because I can't support and fill somebody else's cup without
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Speaker 2: knowing the struggles that I had to go through and knowing,
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Speaker 2: you know, everything I needed to do, so that I
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Speaker 2: can then inform them on hey, these are my steps
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Speaker 2: that I took, and I took I kept a blog
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Speaker 2: monthly so that if somebody could find me that way.
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Speaker 3: I'm now active on social media and.
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Speaker 2: Rudd it and YouTube and things like that to try
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Speaker 2: to share my step by step. And in the beginning,
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Speaker 2: I look back at it and it's a brain injury survivor.
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Speaker 4: That has cognitive deficits trying to tell people what they're doing,
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Speaker 4: and so it's not as clear and succinct as I
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Speaker 4: wish it would have been, but it's true and it's raw,
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Speaker 4: and that's really what my drive was is I couldn't
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Speaker 4: imagine having less.
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Speaker 2: Than I had to get me through. And that's what
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Speaker 2: I wanted to provide for people. If they just didn't
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Speaker 2: have the support system or the family to understand what happened.
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Speaker 3: I wanted to be there for them.
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Speaker 1: Experience sounds traumatizing to me. I mean, to have experienced
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Speaker 1: what you did with TMS and then to not be believed,
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Speaker 1: you know, to be made to think that you're nuts
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Speaker 1: and crazy and they'll just keep doing it. That to
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Speaker 1: me sounds like it would it would be traumatizing. Were
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Speaker 1: you able to Are you still able to run marathons?
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Speaker 3: Not?
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Speaker 1: Not?
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Speaker 3: Right now, I'm slowly getting back into it. So oh gosh.
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Speaker 3: My Pete.
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Speaker 2: Had not cleared me to run yet, but I have
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Speaker 2: been communicating with her because I just it's, you know,
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Speaker 2: towards that it falls, my favorite time of year, so I
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Speaker 2: just can I please just try? And so we have
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Speaker 2: this path that my heart rate can't get above one
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Speaker 2: forty five, which means very short, very little, because my
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Speaker 2: heart's not as from anymore. So it's not even a mile,
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Speaker 2: it's maybe five minutes maybe, and then lots of walking
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Speaker 2: still so I have not been fully cleared, but I
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Speaker 2: hope one day I can, you know, sign up for
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Speaker 2: a marathon again.
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Speaker 1: How I mean, I just realized that, you know, I said,
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Speaker 1: not being believed seems traumatic and all that stuff, but
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Speaker 1: just experiencing those those adverse symptoms and being able to
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Speaker 1: reflect back on that seems like it would be traumatizing too.
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Speaker 1: Like you have the awareness to know what happened to you.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I kind of. I just spoke to several other
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Speaker 3: people the other day.
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Speaker 2: I'm very stubborn, so a lot of them are like, oh,
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Speaker 2: you've you know, made lemonade it out of lemons and
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Speaker 2: things like that.
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Speaker 3: And I'm like, well, I don't know if I necessarily.
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Speaker 2: Want to give it to something that harded me so much,
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Speaker 2: because I look back and I see an industry that,
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Speaker 2: in my mind, feeds off of people who are.
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Speaker 3: At a very vulnerable state.
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Speaker 2: Their anxieties through the roof depression is they've been struggling
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Speaker 2: with it for years and years, they've been on and
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Speaker 2: off medications. And you asked me earlier or how it
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Speaker 2: actually works, and I feel like I was very murky,
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Speaker 2: like I don't think I gave you a crystal clear answer,
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Speaker 2: but that was what was what I was told, and
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Speaker 2: it was also the research I've done, and that's what
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Speaker 2: I have written down, Like, I don't know how it
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Speaker 2: works any better than that. And I can just see
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Speaker 2: the red flags from the beginning, stepping into an office
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Speaker 2: and being recommended a treatment after a two hour intake.
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Speaker 3: But my history wasn't taken.
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Speaker 2: Medications I've been on, weren't, you know, as psychiatrists by
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Speaker 2: the psychiatrist. Yeah, and in fact, my notes were falsified.
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Speaker 2: She said that I was on zoloft. So in order
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Speaker 2: to be approved for a TMS, you have to have
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Speaker 2: two failed attempts of medications, and I wasn't on anything,
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Speaker 2: and I hadn't never been on anything. So there's just
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Speaker 2: a lot of red flags. And then there's people that
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Speaker 2: are believe in this procedure and are doing it right.
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Speaker 2: I've talked to people who've made their career on it,
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Speaker 2: and I just think that we don't understand enough when
22:34
Speaker 2: we're pushing these two people, and it can be very
22:37
Speaker 2: traumatic for very vulnerable states. And yeah, I think that's
22:44
Speaker 2: why I am so passionate about sharing my side because
22:49
Speaker 2: it didn't go well and I didn't fill to eighty
22:52
Speaker 2: three percent effective.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god. I mean, just remind everyone was
22:57
Speaker 1: speaking with Jordan Hansen. So how are you working with
23:02
Speaker 1: people in what ways?
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Speaker 2: I created a Reddit community where I post, not weekly anymore,
23:13
Speaker 2: but I try to post pretty frequently to share stories
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Speaker 2: that I've found, science, legal advice, my personal story as
23:22
Speaker 2: it comes out, and things like that.
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Speaker 3: So I connect with people.
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Speaker 2: There both messaging, I have a blog and a website
23:31
Speaker 2: that I keep up with, and fortunately people have found
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Speaker 2: me from all over the world, which is pretty cool.
23:36
Speaker 2: I have friends in France that have undergone this and
23:39
Speaker 2: I've been connecting with them, and then I do a
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Speaker 2: lot of zoom conversations with people, and most of those
23:45
Speaker 2: people I've met either in the social media side or
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Speaker 2: the support group. So Victims of TMS action group that
23:51
Speaker 2: James Hall started that's on Facebook, and we're not as active,
23:58
Speaker 2: but we try to pop in and just meet those
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Speaker 2: new people.
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Speaker 3: So those are the.
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Speaker 2: Three places that I'm most active in connect with people.
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Speaker 1: Are you able to work not right now.
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Speaker 3: I'm slowly coming back into it.
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Speaker 2: So I have friends that are absolutely incredible and amazing,
24:15
Speaker 2: and they own a virtual yoga fitness company and so
24:20
Speaker 2: I'm allowed to teach virtually one class a week right now,
24:26
Speaker 2: and I've started to take on some of their subbing
24:32
Speaker 2: opportunities so I can kind of boostuff from one hour
24:35
Speaker 2: a week to more and kind of see how I do.
24:37
Speaker 2: But I've been doing that for just under a year now,
24:41
Speaker 2: and that's kind of helped me engauge from last year.
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Speaker 3: When I started, I would.
24:48
Speaker 2: Be passed out for two or three hours after teaching,
24:51
Speaker 2: even though I wasn't interacting in person. The memorization that
24:56
Speaker 2: comes in with teaching a yoga class, or just coming
24:58
Speaker 2: back and reminding mysel of what body parts are because
25:02
Speaker 2: I forgot what muscles were muscles immediately after my injury,
25:08
Speaker 2: so I couldn't even remember what a quad was and
25:10
Speaker 2: basic muscle groups. So that's slowly been coming back and
25:14
Speaker 2: I can kind of see that after I teach one class,
25:17
Speaker 2: I maybe can walk the dogs, or maybe I can
25:19
Speaker 2: just sit, but I don't have to nap. And so
25:22
Speaker 2: as I'm starting to see that growth, I'll add more
25:25
Speaker 2: on my but I'm not able to do a full
25:27
Speaker 2: forty hours.
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Speaker 3: You're even part.
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Speaker 1: Time, And remind me when did this happen?
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Speaker 2: It happened June of twenty twenty three, so just over
25:36
Speaker 2: two years ago.
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Speaker 1: Okay, did you or are you pursuing any legal action?
25:47
Speaker 2: You know, guy, I started to in the beginning immediately.
25:52
Speaker 2: I think I got my denial letter in November of
25:55
Speaker 2: that same year, and I remember crying because it was
25:59
Speaker 2: close to my birthday and I just didn't understand how
26:01
Speaker 2: people couldn't see the harm. And I've talked to a
26:05
Speaker 2: few other lawyers throughout this process, and I just learned
26:10
Speaker 2: how difficult it is. And I think one of the
26:14
Speaker 2: questions that I've talked to lawyers are about, is Okay,
26:17
Speaker 2: if you do get to an agreement of yes, we
26:23
Speaker 2: do believe that you know what you said is true
26:26
Speaker 2: medically and all of this it is a malpractice. But
26:30
Speaker 2: then I had to sign paperwork that basically absorbs the
26:35
Speaker 2: clinic and the psychiatrists from any harm done so it.
26:39
Speaker 3: Doesn't go on her record.
26:42
Speaker 2: And the more I sat with that, I might also
26:46
Speaker 2: not be able to advocate or share my story, and
26:51
Speaker 2: to me that that's really important. I want to be
26:53
Speaker 2: able to help people that have gone through the same
26:56
Speaker 2: thing I have, and I've kind of taken.
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Speaker 3: Get a backseat to that because I think in Washington.
27:02
Speaker 2: It's three years, and I thought that by year two
27:05
Speaker 2: I would have found somebody and we would have started
27:07
Speaker 2: a case. And I think I just kind of came
27:10
Speaker 2: to terms on my two year anniversary. Opposite, I did
27:13
Speaker 2: a one to eighty and just thought I'd rather speak out.
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Speaker 3: And share my story.
27:17
Speaker 1: I understand that. Well, I mean, you're doing an amazing
27:21
Speaker 1: job here speaking. Yeah, Jordan, my god, it's so crazy.
27:29
Speaker 1: I mean, I never I never known that much about TMS.
27:34
Speaker 1: I've certainly heard about it. It's been around forever. When
27:38
Speaker 1: was it? Do you know when it was like invented?
27:41
Speaker 2: So from my understanding, NeuroStar in the US was the
27:47
Speaker 2: first to kind of push through the five to ten
27:50
Speaker 2: K loophole, so they're not so it could be labeled
27:53
Speaker 2: as a class too, not as a Class three device.
27:56
Speaker 2: And I believe that was in two thousand and eight,
28:01
Speaker 2: so it was pretty recent actually, but there were other
28:07
Speaker 2: devices that were very similar to TMS well before that,
28:11
Speaker 2: in my understanding.
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Speaker 1: So okay, all right, well let's let's wind down here.
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Speaker 1: How do people learn more about you get in contact
28:25
Speaker 1: with you?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: So, as I mentioned, I do have a blog in
28:32
Speaker 2: a website. It's Jordan's Artfulwillness dot com.
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Speaker 3: On there, I have links.
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Speaker 2: To my Instagram, YouTube, and the Reddit page, as well
28:42
Speaker 2: as James Hall's information about the tag Victims of TMS
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Speaker 2: action group that takes much more of a deep dive
28:50
Speaker 2: in kind of on the science behind TMS and the
28:55
Speaker 2: injury itself.
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Speaker 1: Okay, and we'll have that link up here at the
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Speaker 1: show notes page at the Trauma Therapist podcast dot com. Jordan,
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Speaker 1: my god, I mean, you are so inspiring and really
29:06
Speaker 1: appreciate the work you're doing and thank you for coming
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Speaker 1: on here.
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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.
29:09
Speaker 2: It's a pleasure to speak with you, and I always
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Speaker 2: it's an honor to share my story and people that
29:14
Speaker 2: are willing to ask questions and listen, So thank you.
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Speaker 1: Awesome, all right, we'll be in touch.
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Speaker 3: Thank you.