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Arizona Tea · That Car Show

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  When given the choice, I take the German car every time.
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  This week on that car show we are back as a crew show.
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  We talk about Arizona Car Week sharing some of the experiences.
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  During the week. I talk about getting my hands on
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  a Lucid Gravity. Spoiler alert, it didn't suck
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  Lucid Gravity. We also talk a little bit about
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  the future of Tesla and when Tesla is going.
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  Just when you thought we hadn't had enough lists, we have a new
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  list. This is the mid list.
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  Apparently all the young people have stopped saying it, so we're
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  allowed to now. All that and a whole lot more on
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  this weeks that car show. Welcome to this weeks that car
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  share when we're back with a cruise show.
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  Before we get started, I think we need to wish special someone
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  a happy birthday. So Missus Barkey senior, many
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  happy returns. We hope you've had a lovely day.
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  We hope Michael has cooked you breakfast in bed and had a
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  wonderful day. That's right, we will.
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  We'll spare you by not singing, but we hope you have an amazing
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  day. Yes, Happy birthday.
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  Thanks, Dan. Yeah.
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  How are you guys doing? Happy to be here.
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  Great to see you guys. Brian, how about you?
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  Yeah, doing OK hanging in there. Is anyone having a great year so
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  far? I feel like it's a mix, right?
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  I think Nikum's having a great year.
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  Yeah, yeah, Nikum's having a wonderful year, aren't they?
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  I our good friends at Haggerty shared some information today by
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  former guest of the show, John. But he was comparing year on
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  year and last year, Meekum's total sales at the Kissimmee
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  auction were $215 million this year.
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  And obviously there was some big hitters this year, but it was
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  double, it was $420 million, assuming everyone's going to pay
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  their bills. But yeah, I mean a wonderful.
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  Year, right? But they're generally looking at
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  these stats, they're comparing Arizona Car Week and make them
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  and everyone is up year on year, which is good news I guess for
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  the automotive used car markets. I mean, that's what they always
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  want to see. I mean, if you can, you can
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  double your profits, you're doing OK.
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  Someone's getting a bonus this year.
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  Right. Yeah.
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  But good news, good news, Ryan. How is the Pell St. gang?
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  Is there still stuff going on there?
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  You know, I think one person showed up last week because it
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  was like 1°. So Chris Coleman, good on you.
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  Sorry, none of the rest of us showed up, but was it the week
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  before? We had a pretty good turn out at
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  my place and that was a lot of fun.
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  I'm still getting over that. And that was a beautiful day,
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  which helps, right? So, so lesson learned.
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  If you're going to have a car gathering, you know, pray for
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  good weather, right? It looked really fun and yeah, I
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  mean, So what was it like hosting your own cars and
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  coffee? Like obviously it's the group
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  that you know, but you. Know Yeah, yeah it was supposed
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  to just be our group and then I think the word got out and there
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  were quite a few people who showed up but it was great.
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  Everyone was behaved. No one peeled out we tore
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  through dozens of Donuts. The neighbors came out It was
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  great it was fun. It was exactly what what it
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  should have been and yeah, very fortunate to have such a nice
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  group of friends and acquaintances and neighbors and
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  stuff. You know it's it's it was kind
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  of a throwback cars and coffee. It felt organic and it felt you
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  know I mean it was it was lo fi the very best way which was
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  which was cool. So thank you to all of you who
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  who showed up for that. I was really pleasantly
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  surprised at the at the numbers and the quality of cars.
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  There were some amazing cars, right?
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  Well, OK, so tell us what you had like which which kind of
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  special cars we're going to. Do it was a spider Rs.
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  There was a beautiful 930 portion turbo that showed up in
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  a really unusual blue color. That friend had just picked up
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  our buddy Tom Horan and his new Emery outlaw that was that was
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  here lots of GT threes and GT fours and that kind of thing.
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  There was a bug eye Sprite there was because there's an old MR2.
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  I mean, there's all kinds of cool stuff mostly, Mostly
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  Porsche, pretty Porsche heavy of course, but just missing the two
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  of you in your perspective. GT4 and 4 point O GTS 4 point O
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  so. What is the etiquette for if you
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  host a cars and coffee at your house?
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  Because like if I was to come for dinner, I'd bring a bottle
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  of wine. Did they bring whiskey?
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  Did they bring doughnuts or did they bring anything?
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  Unfortunately, no whiskey, but lots of people brought
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  doughnuts, bagels, that kind of thing.
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  Coffee, which was which was nice.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  It's, you know, it was a Sunday morning.
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  I could have passed around the collection plate, I suppose, but
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  you know, it was. It's nice just to see everyone's
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  faces in cars. You know, they're not so a good
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  currency, aren't they? They are, yeah.
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  I want to do it again, though. It was a It was a hell of a lot
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  of fun and you know it. The pictures looked great and,
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  you know, short of getting to be there, it was a great way to
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  participate and kind of get a little slice of the fun that you
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  guys were having, Yeah. It was great.
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  It was. Great.
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  And the weather looked amazing, which we've had here too the
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  last 10 days. I think so.
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  The next time, if you're going to go to Ryan's house, he's got
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  VIP parking, but you have to bring a bottle of whiskey that
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  sounds. There, there you go.
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  So you know I have way more garage than I have fleet right?
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  So I filled in one of the blanks with a buddy's beautiful 356
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  Cabriolet, beautiful black car, just a lovely, lovely car.
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  And I thought maybe, you know, if I kind of, it would manifest,
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  right? Like if, if this car spent some
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  time in my garage, it looks so good sitting next to my GT4.
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  Of course, when he went to start it up, the thing let out the
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  biggest backfire ever heard. And I see people sort of duck
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  and, you know, like big puff of smoke, like cartoonish puff of
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  smoke. And of course, he swears it had
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  never happened before, but it was kind of a nice, nice
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  punctuation to the day, if you. Yeah.
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  So thanks for. Let me pretend that car was mine
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  for a morning, you know? We do a little like Field of
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  Dreams, like if you park it in the garage, eventually you'll
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  have one. That's right.
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  I thought about just closing the door.
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  You know What Car you know? Didn't see anything.
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  Because that is 110. That's right, right.
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  They could do a little detailing and get a mechanic's lien going
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  or something, you know? But I won a 356 seeing that car
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  in my garage and it was just such a nice compliment to what I
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  have. And they're just such good cars,
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  such good cars. Beautiful thing, but.
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  Is that something that you have wanted before?
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  No, it's something that since I've been involved with the
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  Colorado Grand, you know, they've really grown on me.
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  And you know, I realize a lot of these cars, they don't fit so
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  well in right. But the 3:56 I've been just
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  fine. And you know, it's familiar and
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  they're just, you know, they they don't break down like some
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  of the other cars do. They're really reliable relative
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  to some of the other stuff. And they're just they're
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  timeless. You know, I wish I would have
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  kind of gotten into them ten years ago, but, you know, buy
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  high, sell low, right? Yep.
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  Even boxers are expensive these days.
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  Like the original, boxers are going up in value.
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  I feel like about that, right? I know I feel like it's right on
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  the cusp of you could still find one now, but that's not going to
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  be true for much longer. I think people are starting to
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  because it's more, I think of the Porsches, those are
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  currently still more, a bit more accessible.
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  Yeah. But that may not be the case
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  much longer. Yeah.
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  Yeah, I was reading that the Pacific Northwest is getting, I
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  guess, I'm sorry, we're putting it, it's getting a lot less
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  rainfall than normal. Is that right?
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  Yeah, it's been, I think, and I think that's been true the last
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  couple of years, like maybe the last four years.
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  There has been an unusual period of sunshine and clear skies in
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  January, which we never used to have.
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  But it does allow you to get your fun cars out if you thought
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  they were put away for the whole winter.
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  So we took the GT4 out last weekend I think and.
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  Speaking of waking up the neighborhood, right?
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  Yeah. Do you have like a route now?
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  Have you got like a route that you can go to?
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  No, so that's been kind of fun just exploring and you know,
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  because I know the roads up here a little better than Tory does.
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  So it's been fun kind of showing him a few of them.
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  But really a lot of my just kind of like cruise driving has been
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  in California. So yeah, it was fun to sort of
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  just get out and go and, you know, just cruise and get get
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  reacquainted and remember just how good the car is because,
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  man, you know, I don't care what's going on, a few seconds
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  behind the wheel and all is right with the world.
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  Such a good car. There we go.
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  And I misread your notes, Lindsay, because you went to the
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  advance meet at the racetrack and I thought you said that
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  there was an electric mix of cars and it was eclectic mix of
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  cars. I mean it sounds like a shit car
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  joke. You're like, I'm so glad you
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  went and I didn't. Yeah.
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  That's really funny. I mean, it felt electric.
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  It, it was crazy because, and because of the weather being so
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  good, they had kind of an impromptu cars and coffee down
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  at Pacific Raceways in Kent, where the performance driving
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  school is. And we got there it like we were
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  maybe 1/2 hour after it started. But you know, it's kind of open
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  house and there were probably 150 cars there.
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  Like I've never seen that many cars there at one time.
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  It was like going to the Willow Springs reimagined and seeing
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  the number of cars there and just going like there's more
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  cars here than there have been in 10 years.
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  Like I've never seen that many cars at Pacific at once.
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  Almost the whole paddock was full, which was so much fun.
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  And it was, they were all over the map.
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  Like I was just looking at my pictures, you know, there was a
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  one of the most recent generations, GT350 Mustangs,
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  blue with white stripes, which is what I had.
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  So that's always a treat to see. And they had you know, there was
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  the kitchens who run the school. They now have a pro 3E30 race
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  car. So that was there.
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  I hadn't seen it in person. That was fun.
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  Obviously a lot of Porsches. There were two of the the black
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  Wing sedan Cadillacs, which is like one in that launch.
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  Blue. So cool, yeah.
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  Well, and they're such a sleeper, if you don't know what
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  they are and then you hear them and you're like, wait a minute,
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  like what's going on there? And there was this gorgeous Audi
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  like midnight purple wagon, which was really cool.
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  Several E30 M threes, several E36 M threes, a few of the most
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  current M3 generation, like in really unique colors.
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  One was this like brilliant metallic teal.
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  And then there was a rust colored one.
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  And what was really cool is then there was an E36 rust colored
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  one and you could see them. So it was like, you know, seeing
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  the progression in real life. Lindsay Most importantly, were
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  there any E39-M5 owners? That were out for blood.
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  There were not. Yeah, right.
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  I had more than a couple people reach out.
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  If you haven't heard the last episode, we did a bit on cars
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  that worst cars you've ever driven, which is strong
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  language, but you were really underwhelmed with the E39-M5.
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  And it wasn't a car I thought was going to be brought up in
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  that segment. But the consensus seems to be
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  the the good cars are really good and the cars that aren't,
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  aren't. And.
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  Oh interesting, but they are a loyal a loyal bunch.
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  They are. I figured that would generate
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  some engagement, one way or not. Yeah, I know.
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  Well, and it's so funny because I dropped off the M3 for service
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  today. And as I pulled up to the shop,
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  there was an E395 series in this gorgeous, you know, ice blue.
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  And as soon as I rounded the corner and saw it, I went.
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  Oh, and then I was laughing at myself because I remembered what
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  we talked about last week. I mean, I really do love them
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  so. OK, Lindsay.
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  Yeah, right. And then there was a typhoon at
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  the Avant. Oh.
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  Wow. OK, black.
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  Typhoon there was a beautiful kind of mustard yellow 912.
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  There was a 1978 Cadillac in this like you know the butter
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  yellow kind of of that era that was really cool.
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  There was a one of the new Alpha Julia Quadrifolio in that
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  brilliant emerald green that they have.
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  So this wasn't collectic. It was it was a really fun mix.
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  It was like a true, you know what you when you go to a cars
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  and coffee that isn't themed and you're just it was like mixed
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  nuts. It was so much fun because every
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  row was this really random mix. It was modern vintage, you know,
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  high performance, regular all over the map.
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  So definitely worth going. And you know, it's always fun to
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  get to see the performance crew, too, so we got to catch up with
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  them and see the dogs and it's all good.
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  Yes, Cool. Yeah, we made the rest of the
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  weather. I was on a mission last weekend
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  to report back on Scottsdale Car Week.
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  Yeah, Yes, I was. All about it.
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  I made it out alive, which is a good thing.
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  It's huge. This year it was huge, from
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  everything from car sales to everyone was down there.
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  And yeah, it was a good week, a really good week.
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  And it started at Radford Race School.
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  So this was formerly the Bondurant School of Racing.
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  And yeah, so we went there and they've obviously got the Dodge
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  Hellcats. And at that point I didn't have
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  a car to drive. I was being chauffeured around
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  in a VW Atlas and I was going to get a Hellcat for the week.
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  They were going to give me a Hellcat, but then Market Radford
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  said, hey, do you want to try this instead?
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  And he gave me the keys to elucid gravity.
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  What an amazing surprise. Right.
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  And not being a big electric car person, like, you know, I was
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  like, do I want the keys to this or give me the Hellcat?
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  But we decided that the, yeah, the Gravity was going to be a
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  better car for the purposes of the week in terms of hosting
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  compliance and, you know, doing a lot of driving.
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  And yeah, it was, it was quick. It was, it's probably the
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  quickest car I've ever driven, which is saying something.
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  And it was like, what's the right way of putting it?
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  It's like seductively quick in terms of like you want more, you
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  just it. Lulls you into.
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  Yeah, I mean lots of. People siren song.
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  Siren. You had the actual siren song
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  behind you and then you're screwed.
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  Yeah, that's. In all the ways.
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  A lot of people were saying, oh, is that a people carrier all
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  week? So I think it has a split
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  identity. The The thing is like when you
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  want to drive it quickly, you want it in the lowest setting.
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  So it doesn't actually look, it looks more like a wagon or a,
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  you know, a people carrier than it does.
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  So it should. Be.
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  But that's because you're you're driving it low.
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  So is it so you can raise and lower the ride height?
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  Yeah, yeah, big time. Yeah.
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  There's like 5 or 6 settings I didn't even realize.
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  That. I think it was a pre production
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  car, so I hope it was a pre production car because some of
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  the technology was a bit amiss. But I really loved.
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  We went to Sedona for the day and I, I took it on a very
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  spirited drive back through the mountains.
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  We went to various locations that, you know, that had
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  twisties and even one set of roads that we had that were
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  twisties were one lane, as in there was a separate road to the
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  left that was going up the hill and.
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  We were going down there like Split Highway.
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  Yeah, split highway and the regen, you have settings on the
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  regen and that like I haven't had many electric cars and they
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  were and you were a purveyor of an electric car.
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  But the regen on it, obviously it doesn't work when your
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  battery is fully charged because it's got nothing to regen into.
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  But it was you could set it to hard, which was fantastic
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  because it it really helped breaking into the corners.
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  Apart from the time where I went all in into a corner and it
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  failed And luckily I managed to get it out of the corner of the
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  other side. But I don't know if that is a
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  you know, maybe it needs to come with a warning saying if you go
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  into a corner quicker than 100 miles an hour, it's not going to
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  work. I didn't think they're.
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  Like we have a word minor heads up.
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  But I I work OK though. The brakes.
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  I think Jesus was my copilot. Into that corner.
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  Yeah, it's got regen braking and the the power of the Messiah
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  because, you know, I mean, out the other side official.
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  Term. Yeah, it was a Code Brown moment
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  for sure. Yeah, well, that was the only
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  time it failed on me. But I loved the regen.
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  It gave me confidence in performance driving.
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  But it's it's the heaviest car I think I've ever driven as well,
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  so. And did you feel the weight when
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  you were driving it? Yeah, yeah.
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  I mean, they've done a good job of trying to reduce that, but it
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  is a it's like it's probably one of the heaviest cars on the
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  market. But on the freeway, like you
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  would just put your foot on the accelerator and like you were
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  doing 110 allegedly before you knew it.
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  Yeah, it was earthquake. Because Lindsay and I have
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  driven this car, but only in the confines of downtown LA during
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  the auto show, right? So.
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  I think you drove the air, didn't you?
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  We drove the air. All three of us drove the air a
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  year ago, and then this year we got to drive the gravity.
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  So I was really excited when you said you had one for this
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  extended length of time. Yeah.
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  Well, and so Ryan did you, what did you think about it?
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  Because when we drove the air in 2024, I loved it instantly.
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  Yeah, it was one of the few cars that I just went like,
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  absolutely, yes, all of it. I'll take it.
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  Yeah. The gravity I didn't have that
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  sort of gut response to. Yeah.
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  I thought the gravity seemed a little more buttoned up a
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  little, you know, just better put together, I guess, you know,
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  because when we drove that that that air, it was I think a
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  pretty early one. I don't think we had full power
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  in either of these, you know, these cars and we drove them
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  unlike you, so didn't really get a sense of the power in quite
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  the same way. But they're neat because they're
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  unlike anything else, right? They just they have a vibe
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  that's just different and you know, they're they're they're
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  cool. I really I thought they were
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  very comfortable. I like the fit and finish, the
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  quality of the materials, but, you know, it's, it's, it's hard
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  out there, you know, for a small electric car company.
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  And so I don't know, you know, what the future holds, but I'd
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  love to see them succeed because I think they've got a really
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  compelling product, you know, and I think maybe I'd like the
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  air. I think maybe I'd like the sedan
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  better in a, in a way, I'm not quite sure I'd have to drive
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  them both again, Lucid and, and do a vacuum act.
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  And this time give us the full bore, you know, versions,
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  please. Yeah, so.
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  I don't know what settings, but the settings on the new one that
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  is calm and calm is like eco mode.
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  And I think that's a riff on Tesla because Tesla have a
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  similar phrase. Yeah, next one, which really is
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  probably why I love the car. It's called Swift there.
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  You go so the middle of. That talk about a match made in
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  heaven. Yeah.
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  And then the Nordus 60 like if you want to if you want to beat
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  like GT3's off the line. The nought to 60 is is called
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  Sprint so it's got 3 modes on it.
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  But I couldn't get Apple CarPlay to work.
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  Let me let me guess, you never took it out of?
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  Swift. No.
• 20:22
  Yeah, it lived in Swift. Why would you?
• 20:26
  Right? Three days in, I discovered that
• 20:29
  electric seats also were massaging seats.
• 20:32
  Oh. So that was cool.
• 20:34
  Yeah, yeah, that's a nice discovery.
• 20:37
  Yeah, it was. It was a lovely surprise.
• 20:39
  But what does this do? Oh, hello.
• 20:44
  Yeah, buy me dinner first, right?
• 20:45
  That's right. We.
• 20:46
  Can. Let you down.
• 20:49
  We should have had like a Taylor Swift lyric on deck to share.
• 20:53
  There we go. Edits it and lights it.
• 20:56
  Can't you, Ryan? Or we can just do an insert your
• 20:59
  favorite Taylor Swift lyric here.
• 21:01
  Yeah, we're also one in the comments guys.
• 21:03
  Yeah, there. You go.
• 21:04
  Wittiest comment wins. I challenge you go.
• 21:07
  Yeah. There you go, but Counting Crows
• 21:10
  titles also work. Yes.
• 21:13
  True. So how many people, how many
• 21:16
  people like what was the most, how many, what was the Max
• 21:20
  number of people that you had in it during the week when you.
• 21:23
  Were tearing people around. I had four people in it at one
• 21:26
  point. They all agreed that when you
• 21:27
  really put your foot down, everyone feels nauseous in the
• 21:30
  car. But they did love the heated
• 21:33
  seats in the back. So, but yeah, at one point there
• 21:36
  was four of us in it and there was an extra row.
• 21:38
  So there's three rows. Yeah.
• 21:41
  But you don't get much luggage space with the three rows, So
• 21:43
  obviously you put the 3rd row down if you want the luggage
• 21:46
  space. Very cool.
• 21:47
  But yeah, I want to spend more time in one and hopefully with
• 21:51
  the technology working. Like I couldn't get CarPlay to
• 21:53
  work and so I had to separately match Spotify.
• 21:58
  So there was a separate app for Spotify and you do a QR code.
• 22:01
  So but yeah, I loved it. A, you know, for an electric car
• 22:05
  and I had all sorts of problems with Tesla and we'll maybe come
• 22:08
  onto Tesla in a minute. But at the end of my spirited
• 22:11
  Dr. I ended up with 30 miles left and managed to navigate to
• 22:15
  a Tesla hyper chargers. And this is like probably 6 in
• 22:19
  the evening and I'm about an hour and a half away from
• 22:21
  Phoenix. So anyway, I go to plug in,
• 22:24
  nothing. I then download the app, and if
• 22:28
  you've used the Tesla app, you download the app and then it
• 22:31
  emails you a code and you put the code in.
• 22:34
  But the problem was there was such a delay.
• 22:36
  Every time I would make the request go to the e-mail, by the
• 22:40
  time the e-mail came in, the page had expired.
• 22:43
  Exactly. Yeah, The air was quite blue
• 22:46
  with insults towards Mr. Mask at that point.
• 22:49
  But eventually I then got it working.
• 22:51
  And then for some reason that Tesla charger wasn't on the
• 22:54
  charging app kidding me. And the nearest, the nearest
• 22:57
  Superchargers were 30 miles away and I had 30 miles left in the
• 23:02
  tank or the tank, I guess the battery.
• 23:05
  So yeah, it was very, it was a very, it was like, I think I may
• 23:10
  have claimed I'm never going to drive another electric car again
• 23:13
  at one point. Clearly I did the next day.
• 23:16
  But yeah, so the the charging network was still very
• 23:19
  frustrating. Threats were made and not
• 23:21
  counted. That's right.
• 23:22
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 23:24
  But I know you guys saw some news around Tesla, so I don't
• 23:26
  know if you want to share that now.
• 23:28
  Yes, I just read that Tesla will be discontinuing the Model S and
• 23:34
  the Model X in favor of transitioning that factory over
• 23:39
  to build the Optimus robots. So before long, the robots will
• 23:44
  run amok at Tesla. Did they transform from the from
• 23:48
  the semi truck into the right? That was, that was Optimus
• 23:53
  Prime. Optimus Prime in the
• 23:54
  Transformers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 23:56
  I mean that might be more like I feel like they might have better
• 23:59
  luck selling the robots if they did transform into a semi.
• 24:03
  Because Elon is saying that they are giving the Model S and Model
• 24:07
  XA an honorable discharge as they transition over to because
• 24:13
  he says we're all moving towards autonomy, whether that's
• 24:16
  accurate or not. And he's anticipating building a
• 24:19
  million robots, I think a year and selling them.
• 24:22
  I mean, I guess I'm more, I'm also interested in like, who are
• 24:26
  who's the target audience for these robots too?
• 24:30
  Well, let's break this down, because there's a lot going on
• 24:32
  here. When did the Model S come out?
• 24:34
  How many decades ago was that? It's been a while, right?
• 24:39
  2012 was it earlier here? Shall I, shall I give our
• 24:43
  research? Please, please, Because you're
• 24:47
  just dealing with an old car whose time has.
• 24:50
  You're saying 2012? I think that's pretty.
• 24:52
  Is it maybe? 202011 I think they're about 17
• 24:58
  years old, So what would that be?
• 25:01
  22,000 and 9. 2009. Will will you look that up?
• 25:09
  Since 2012. 20120 Ryan Wow. There's a reason he's the number
• 25:14
  one writer on Autoblog. It gets the facts right first,
• 25:20
  every time. That's true.
• 25:21
  That's so we. Never doubted you.
• 25:25
  But it's an old car. That's an old car, right?
• 25:27
  I mean, it's that's a lot of model years, right, for
• 25:33
  anything. And I think they've, I want to
• 25:35
  say they did a nice job of keeping it current, but I was in
• 25:38
  one recently and it really does feel old now, right?
• 25:40
  Even a new one feels old. It's dated.
• 25:43
  And the Model 3, I think when it came out was just a superior car
• 25:46
  in so many ways. But the Model X, right?
• 25:53
  I don't know when that must have been a couple years later,
• 25:55
  right? So.
• 25:56
  I am happy to find. That out, you know, these are
• 25:59
  old cars. Their, their, their time has has
• 26:01
  come and gone. I mean, you know, I thought
• 26:03
  you're gonna say they're gonna get rid of these cars so they
• 26:04
  could finally start production of the Roadster.
• 26:07
  Right, they're just trying. To distract everybody with these
• 26:12
  robots. Yeah, look over there,
• 26:14
  squirrels. Yeah, yeah.
• 26:17
  So the Model X began production in 2015, so just a couple years
• 26:22
  after. That OK, OK.
• 26:23
  So yeah, what's left? In production, what are they
• 26:25
  still going to make? They're going to make the truck
• 26:27
  still. Yeah.
• 26:28
  The model 3. And the model. 3.
• 26:31
  And the Y yeah Y. You know, and the cab, is that
• 26:35
  like there's an autonomous cab as well?
• 26:37
  Are they making that now? That is a great question.
• 26:41
  They distracted everyone with the robots and did not talk
• 26:43
  about that on the call, at least in the article I read.
• 26:47
  Are these The only time I've seen one of those robots was at
• 26:49
  a party and it was a bartender like perfect?
• 26:53
  We all do need one, yeah. Actually, now that you mention
• 26:57
  it, yes, I could use one of those at my house.
• 27:00
  Yeah, actually I. Know what are they for like
• 27:03
  what's the purpose are they just sort of like Butler robots or
• 27:07
  are they you know I. Mean that's what I was
• 27:09
  picturing, but I. Guess industrial.
• 27:12
  Right, like how capable are they?
• 27:14
  You know, like could they be in a factory or whatever?
• 27:17
  The the only video I've seen, and maybe it's the same 1 Dan,
• 27:21
  this robot was supposed to be passing out bottles of water.
• 27:25
  And what it looks like is that the robot takes off a headset.
• 27:29
  So the inference is that the the Tele operator like wasn't logged
• 27:34
  out, took the headset off. The robot mimed that or mimic
• 27:38
  that and then fell backwards and knocked over the water.
• 27:42
  Oh. So on that note, maybe stick to
• 27:47
  building the Model S and the Model X.
• 27:50
  Yeah, yeah, it's I have to be careful.
• 27:53
  I just applied for a role at Elon.
• 27:57
  He has a brother named Kimball Musk who has a company called
• 28:01
  Nova Sky Stories. And I didn't know until after I
• 28:04
  applied for this job, it's a creative director role that that
• 28:06
  there was an affiliation. Nova Sky Stories does these
• 28:10
  amazing like aerial displays with thousands of drones.
• 28:13
  And I thought it'd be a very cool company to work further up
• 28:16
  in Boulder here. I did a little digging and
• 28:19
  apparently this came about this Kimball and his wife were a
• 28:22
  Burning Man a couple of years ago.
• 28:24
  I guess the weather was bad. They couldn't burn the man or
• 28:27
  something. And he thought, Gee, what this
• 28:29
  what Burning Man really needs is a drone show.
• 28:31
  And that that began, you know, this, this.
• 28:34
  Company show I'm the man to deliver.
• 28:36
  Yeah, if anyone's listening. I have Ryan, you're.
• 28:40
  Creative director right here, but right.
• 28:42
  Yeah. So yeah, yeah, you know, it's.
• 28:45
  A small world, Yeah. Yeah.
• 28:47
  Yeah, yeah. Small world, soon to be.
• 28:49
  Full of the drones after me get the job.
• 28:53
  You could have so much fun with drones would.
• 28:55
  That be amazing. Would that be like?
• 28:58
  It could be like graffiti. You could, you know, tag the
• 29:01
  sky. There's your new There's your
• 29:06
  new slogan. If you get the job, Brian, what
• 29:08
  you've got to do is you've got to create that car show logo.
• 29:11
  Inlets, Sky inlets. Have you ever actually seen one
• 29:15
  of those shows? Like, they're really impressive,
• 29:17
  right? They're.
• 29:18
  Incredible. Yeah, yeah.
• 29:20
  You know. I saw one actually at Lamar,
• 29:23
  They do a fireworks display. Dan, I don't know if you saw the
• 29:26
  fireworks, but this year they had a drone element to it and
• 29:30
  they spelled Le Mans in the sky vertically and they spun around.
• 29:35
  I mean, it's it's remarkable. What?
• 29:37
  They it's a 3 dimensional element, you know.
• 29:40
  Yeah, it was from the Indianapolis 500.
• 29:42
  Really. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 29:48
  They're like, you know what? We're just going with Indy.
• 29:51
  Yes. Anyway, back to car week,
• 29:55
  Arizona car week that is. So after getting the adrenaline
• 29:59
  fix at Radford Race School, and if you've not been, I would
• 30:02
  highly recommend it. Those guys are, you know, ahead
• 30:05
  of their craft when it comes to teaching safety, specifically
• 30:08
  driving. We went to a the owner of
• 30:12
  Radford's house for the evening and this is one of the highest
• 30:17
  demand tickets in the week. It's pretty hard to get an
• 30:21
  invite to that to that event. And I walked in, who do I see
• 30:25
  there smiling, giving me a big hug?
• 30:28
  Friend of the show, Jorge Aquino.
• 30:31
  He has clearly made it in the Arizona car community because he
• 30:36
  he got an invite to the artist to get in town.
• 30:38
  He was in good form and he was kind enough to introduce me to
• 30:42
  all his friends. I kind of felt like a personal
• 30:44
  concierge service. And every time I turn around,
• 30:47
  there was another guest that he said, hey, you guys should meet.
• 30:50
  So it was a wonderful evening. Got to hang out with Justin Bell
• 30:54
  as well. That's.
• 30:56
  Awesome. Yeah, and the folks from events,
• 30:58
  so Adam and Nikki, who's the director there and his husband.
• 31:03
  Yeah, Justin. So yeah, it was a good evening
• 31:06
  and a good way to start. They actually reunited Justin
• 31:10
  Bell with he won Le Monde in a Dodge Viper and as part of that
• 31:15
  he kind of got to buy a Dodge Viper stroke get given and that
• 31:19
  car was there. So he got reunited with that
• 31:21
  car, which is. Pretty Oh that's cool is that
• 31:23
  was that the year that he and his dad were on the same team
• 31:26
  that. That was earlier, Yeah, that was
• 31:28
  earlier. So that was in a Harrods
• 31:29
  McLaren. And yeah, they they ended up
• 31:33
  leading the race for many, many laps.
• 31:36
  And they weren't supposed to. So what I mean by that is this
• 31:38
  wasn't the factory team. So in theory the factory team
• 31:41
  for McLaren should be doing better than a privateer team,
• 31:45
  right? But yeah, they ended up, yeah,
• 31:48
  leaving. He's got some great stories
• 31:50
  about, like, you know, when you do the people transfer the mom
• 31:53
  when you swap drivers. Apparently he just pulled his
• 31:56
  dad out and his dad went rolling down the pit lane.
• 31:59
  Like, the adrenaline was so much that he just, like, dragged him
• 32:02
  out. And this is obviously Derek
• 32:04
  Bell, who is one of the, you know, the most important people
• 32:08
  in Motorsports, so. He's got a few accomplishments
• 32:12
  to his name. He's been around a little bit.
• 32:14
  So that was day one in the can. Good way to start the week.
• 32:18
  Day 2 we went to private collections and the first
• 32:22
  private collection I went to, you know, this gentleman had all
• 32:26
  sorts of Lamborghinis, all sorts of black series, Mercedes.
• 32:31
  But the most impressive achievement of all his cars is
• 32:34
  he invited us all into his living area.
• 32:37
  And you walk through the front door and what is facing straight
• 32:42
  ahead of you is a DeLorean. And then you look at the math of
• 32:47
  the door width and everything else.
• 32:49
  And he tells this story that he bought the car, but only on the
• 32:51
  condition that the person selling the car could get the
• 32:53
  car into the house. And the car does not fit through
• 32:57
  the front door. So the car actually got craned
• 33:00
  over the house and then moved in from the back.
• 33:04
  So you know, you know you've made it when you can buy a De
• 33:07
  Lorean and have it craned into your house.
• 33:10
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. How many robots have you got?
• 33:13
  Yeah. I mean, it'd have been much
• 33:15
  easier, wouldn't it, if Optimus and his friends would come along
• 33:17
  and move it? But yeah, so that was an
• 33:21
  accomplishment. You know you've made it when
• 33:22
  you've got a De Lorean in your front living room.
• 33:24
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And maybe that's the right place
• 33:27
  for a De Lorean. I was thinking that because for
• 33:30
  the most part, we all say we like to see cars driven and it's
• 33:33
  tough to see cars that are just tucked away.
• 33:36
  But that might actually be the perfect situation for a DeLorean
• 33:40
  just given their, you know, especially with the age that
• 33:43
  they are, because it's still being celebrated and enjoyed in
• 33:46
  a way that makes sense for that car.
• 33:48
  Have either of you ever driven A DeLorean?
• 33:50
  Because I haven't. I have.
• 33:52
  You know, maybe I'm being too, too hard on them, but you know,
• 33:56
  it's. No, I mean, I don't think
• 33:58
  they're known. I don't think they're known for
• 33:59
  that Reliability, yeah. Yeah, no, it's it's weird
• 34:02
  though, isn't it? Because in theory, part of them
• 34:04
  should be a good car because the chassis was developed by Colin
• 34:07
  Chapman of Lotus. So in theory.
• 34:10
  But then they went and put a French engine in the back.
• 34:12
  That's right. And a crappy gearbox and the
• 34:15
  ingredients didn't equal a great car.
• 34:18
  But I was. Going to say what it's it's
• 34:20
  lesser than the sum of its parts.
• 34:22
  Yeah, it's not usually the case. A rarity.
• 34:25
  But an icon like very few cars are and right, right?
• 34:29
  You know, right? That's why I think maybe
• 34:31
  displaying them is the perfect solution.
• 34:33
  That's OK, yeah. So he had a hoverboard in it,
• 34:36
  and he had oh. That's amazing.
• 34:38
  What? Was the character in Marty?
• 34:40
  McFly. Marty McFly, he had a driver's
• 34:43
  license, a California driver's license with a picture and said
• 34:47
  Marty McFly. So it was all about the little
• 34:49
  touches, which was cool, yeah. That is cool, I love that.
• 34:53
  Yeah, no. Plutonium was actual plutonium.
• 34:56
  That's right, Yeah. Everyone was glowing that
• 34:59
  evening. Literally.
• 35:03
  So that was the first car collection of the day.
• 35:04
  And then we went off to Sedona. And if you've not been to
• 35:08
  Sedona, it's a beautiful, beautiful location.
• 35:11
  You know, it's out in the desert.
• 35:12
  You've got the, you know, those rock formations that I guess
• 35:16
  remind me of like Airwolf or something like that, sort of,
• 35:19
  you know. Speaking of the 80s, yeah.
• 35:21
  Yeah, the theme continues. Right, like the future Airwolf.
• 35:25
  What else can we get in this show?
• 35:27
  But yeah, it's cool. And then we came back.
• 35:29
  And then that evening I ended up going to the auto club.
• 35:36
  So this is a car storage and kind of, you know, a membership
• 35:39
  club. They hosted a specific party for
• 35:42
  car week. Everything was done really
• 35:44
  nicely in terms of like red drapes all the way around and
• 35:48
  then through the drapes were roof cars mainly pushing
• 35:51
  through. So you could only see like two
• 35:53
  quarters of the car, which is quite nicely done.
• 35:57
  They had folks on like high wires so it was almost like a
• 36:01
  Cirque du Soleil meets roof. Don't fall on the roof.
• 36:05
  Yeah, and in the corner there was also a Zinger and I caught
• 36:12
  up with a guy called Cooper from Zinger.
• 36:13
  So shout out to him. He does all that social media
• 36:16
  and he's a good guy. So he's a that was a.
• 36:18
  Photographer too. He has worked with Haggerty and
• 36:22
  brought Arrow to do a lot of their photography as well.
• 36:25
  There we go, small world. Very small world.
• 36:27
  I mean, as always, yeah. And then that was Thursday,
• 36:32
  Friday was Barrett Jackson. And I guess firstly, thank you
• 36:38
  to Barrett Jackson for the hospitality because they were
• 36:40
  very kind enough to give us hospitality.
• 36:43
  We weren't in the Craig Jackson suite, but we were next to it,
• 36:46
  so it was pretty good. You were in Craig Adjacent,
• 36:49
  which is just as nice. Yeah, right.
• 36:52
  What an eye opener of an auction.
• 36:54
  So I'm used to RM and Bonhams and maybe Goodings.
• 37:00
  This isn't that. This is a massive, well, a
• 37:05
  massive auditorium and they are playing a volume game.
• 37:12
  So what I mean by that is the literally the cars are all on
• 37:14
  one side of the stage, go across the stage, then go up for
• 37:19
  auction and they get they're in two positions during the
• 37:21
  auction. The first position is the middle
• 37:23
  of the stage and then the second position is slightly on the down
• 37:26
  ramp. But I would say that each car
• 37:29
  was selling or not selling within like a 2 minute window.
• 37:33
  So it's like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, car, car, car, car.
• 37:39
  And it was a lot of American. I was there on the Friday and
• 37:43
  the further on the last days, the Saturday, and the nicest
• 37:46
  cars get sold on the Saturday. So I didn't see the nicest car,
• 37:49
  but it was also a really interesting mix of people.
• 37:53
  I think the car park was mainly full of trucks, so not
• 37:57
  necessarily your people, Lindsay, but it was it was full
• 38:01
  of trucks, the side halls that everything from watches to, you
• 38:06
  know, book yourself on a bison hunt.
• 38:08
  So that might give you an idea of some of the some of the
• 38:12
  guests do you feel? Like that, like is that is there
• 38:17
  a lot of overlap in that Venn diagram is like if you're going
• 38:19
  to Barrett Jackson, you might buy a car or also go on a bison
• 38:23
  hunt. Sheep, bison.
• 38:24
  I think also cigars is another big thing.
• 38:27
  So there were lots of areas outside where people smoking
• 38:29
  cigars. OK, OK.
• 38:32
  Interesting. Yeah.
• 38:33
  So it was a shock. It was a shock.
• 38:35
  That's quite an electric mix. Yeah, it's like the State Fair
• 38:39
  or something. Buy a hot tub.
• 38:41
  Yeah. Yeah, it's, you know.
• 38:43
  Lots of jeans and T-shirts. That was the kind of theme of
• 38:46
  the day. It's a good spectator sport
• 38:49
  because you can walk around and see what cars are about to come
• 38:52
  through the auction and they all get driven through.
• 38:56
  There were some beautiful Broncos.
• 38:58
  So yeah, there was quite a few beautiful Broncos that kind of
• 39:01
  went through. Were they like first Gen.
• 39:05
  Like what era? Like the classic, but the Resto
• 39:08
  classics, yeah, you know, all done very nicely color wise and
• 39:12
  yeah. They're just so adorable there.
• 39:15
  Yeah, there was one. I watched it briefly, like I
• 39:19
  think midweek, and there was a 90s Cadillac sedan, one of the
• 39:24
  big ones, one of the Brougham, if anybody remembers those.
• 39:27
  And it was such a that. Meant, but I used to see the
• 39:29
  script, you know. Yeah.
• 39:31
  And this one was just, you know, burgundy inside and out and had
• 39:35
  the, you know, vinyl roof, I think, or the cloth roof.
• 39:39
  I don't know if you remember those.
• 39:40
  And it it was, there was a lot of 90s cars in that segment.
• 39:44
  But that was such a throwback to, you know, I remember seeing
• 39:47
  those in high school, man. I haven't seen Broome on the
• 39:51
  side of a car in a long time. It was I kind of wish I'd gone
• 39:56
  on the Saturday now because my friends that did go bumped into
• 40:00
  the actor that played Officer Frank Poncharello from these
• 40:05
  series. I saw that.
• 40:07
  I saw that. You know, yeah, that was his
• 40:10
  hero status in my head. And.
• 40:12
  Yeah, yeah, Guy. And yeah, I.
• 40:15
  Was always Camp John Baker to be to be honest.
• 40:19
  But you know, I like punch too, and would.
• 40:21
  You accept punch in a pinch. I would accept punch in a pinch.
• 40:24
  There we go. So he was there, I think that.
• 40:27
  Pinch from punch. Wow, pinch punch first the
• 40:30
  month, right? Either or.
• 40:35
  I promised that none of us have been drinking tonight.
• 40:37
  I. I know Troy.
• 40:39
  You know I. Mean I just this for?
• 40:41
  Charisma. Yeah, that's well, that was
• 40:45
  Friday. What was he, What was Punch
• 40:47
  buying? Was he buying a 78 Kawasaki?
• 40:51
  There were no motorbikes. So OK, he was at the wrong.
• 40:53
  Auction for that, right? Ponch was there for the bison
• 40:56
  hunts, obviously. Clearly.
• 40:59
  Ponch Ponch was there for the ladies, let's be honest.
• 41:02
  Yeah, so that was Friday. Friday night was I wasn't gonna,
• 41:10
  I was doing a dinner and I wasn't gonna go.
• 41:11
  But then I found out that some friends were at the events
• 41:14
  party. So went to the events party at
• 41:18
  the warehouse. Nice function Rebecca a lady
• 41:22
  called Rebecca owns the warehouse and she's done an
• 41:24
  amazing job with it. It's it's a really cool location
• 41:27
  for the week. It was an art studio and car
• 41:30
  storage, so there were four artists there for the week and
• 41:34
  they'd all created art based on a 250 GTO.
• 41:38
  So that was pretty cool. That's.
• 41:40
  Cool. That beats a base of flowers.
• 41:42
  I mean, that's that's a nice subject to much.
• 41:46
  Better than the Van Gogh, right? Yeah.
• 41:49
  Was Lynn Heiner one of the artists that was there, You
• 41:51
  know? Yeah, I'm with Lynn during the
• 41:53
  week, actually. Lovely lady.
• 41:54
  She's lovely. She's based in Southern
• 41:56
  California and so we cross paths, you know, as often as
• 41:59
  we're in the same place. But yeah, just I real after you
• 42:03
  said that, I realized I had seen a picture of her, but I didn't
• 42:05
  know about the venue. So is it is the warehouse like
• 42:09
  an event space? Is it typically car themed?
• 42:13
  Yeah, I think it's definitely a car themed location.
• 42:16
  It's got a couple of offices. It's got, I think there's car
• 42:20
  storage there as well. So it's got everything I think.
• 42:25
  But it was cool because I was also catching up with some of
• 42:27
  our rival podcasters. So if you guys know Filippo and
• 42:33
  Nick from this car pod, is that right?
• 42:37
  Is that there? I I, I don't think they're big
• 42:40
  yet, but they'll get, they'll get there one day, you know,
• 42:41
  I'll find. They'll see you later, yeah.
• 42:44
  Yeah, I managed to catch up with those and they're super nice
• 42:46
  people. It's awesome.
• 42:47
  So it's good to talk to them and very cool.
• 42:50
  Dan Pilling in Podcast Wars, Yes.
• 42:52
  You should. Have had like a podcast off or
• 42:56
  something. Yeah, yeah.
• 42:59
  Freestyle. Well, it's always fun to talk
• 43:01
  shop. Yeah, yeah.
• 43:03
  And they were in good form. Nick had bought, he's got an SLR
• 43:06
  Mercedes convertible. That's right.
• 43:08
  That's really. So he'd driven that from I guess
• 43:10
  San Diego way on. OK.
• 43:13
  That's a good drive, not too long, but you definitely get
• 43:16
  some time in the car. Yeah, he was saying that he
• 43:18
  wouldn't have risked it in his old car, which was a
• 43:20
  Lamborghini, but he felt more comfortable in the Mercedes.
• 43:24
  When given the choice, you know right?
• 43:26
  Right. What is 1 to do?
• 43:27
  Yeah. Take the German car every time,
• 43:30
  yeah. Yeah.
• 43:31
  So, so that was Arizona Car Week.
• 43:33
  I think it's one of these events where you go every other year or
• 43:36
  you go every three years. I think if you do it every year,
• 43:39
  it's probably you know the same people, you know the same events
• 43:43
  and probably not too much of a differentiation.
• 43:45
  Did you get to drive at Radford on the track?
• 43:49
  Not this time. I have done before and to be
• 43:51
  honest I could have done but work was unfortunately in the
• 43:55
  way but I have done in the past of the track.
• 43:59
  Yeah, no, I knew. I remember when you did the
• 44:01
  school because you we got to hear about it.
• 44:03
  Yeah, that was the police officer turned up and he had a
• 44:07
  Charger, a new Charger, and he was allowed to use the track.
• 44:11
  And I'll tell you what, no one was getting away from a speeding
• 44:14
  ticket in the Chandler area. If he was behind you, he drove
• 44:17
  like he stole it and it was a police car.
• 44:20
  That's amazing. Well, I mean, anytime, you know,
• 44:23
  I didn't get to get out at Pacific on Saturday either, but
• 44:27
  you know, even racetrack adjacent is a good time.
• 44:30
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, and so you mentioned you
• 44:33
  were going to get a Hellcat, and I'm glad to hear that you didn't
• 44:37
  because there was a jewelry store robbery in Orange County
• 44:41
  and they used Hellcats. But so now we know it wasn't you
• 44:44
  for sure. Yes, I have an alibi and a
• 44:47
  gravity right. Yeah, but tell me I saw that
• 44:51
  story and they escaped in two Hellcats.
• 44:56
  Either one was being pursued, yet they both managed to crash
• 44:59
  and then they were all arrested. So.
• 45:01
  Right. Talk about literally crashing.
• 45:03
  Out as possible. I mean.
• 45:07
  Just a shout out to Jorge, our buddy Jorge down in Phoenix,
• 45:10
  because he's really owning that whole Arizona Car Week thing.
• 45:13
  He was pumping up podcast episodes left and right.
• 45:16
  I don't know how he does it. I don't know where he gets the
• 45:18
  energy. He does these things on the fly.
• 45:21
  He's he's our generation's automotive.
• 45:24
  Charles Kuralt. I think he's he's on the road
• 45:27
  and he's recording and he's capturing every story and he's
• 45:30
  going that. So it's good to see.
• 45:33
  Yeah, good. It was good to see.
• 45:34
  Being there, I missed being there.
• 45:36
  His friend was so nice, So nice. Oh, that's awesome.
• 45:39
  Yeah. It was Youtubers, it was
• 45:41
  artists, it was owner, the detailing shops, but they were
• 45:45
  all really nice car people, so he was in good company.
• 45:49
  That's what it's. Always.
• 45:50
  It's always fun to, you know, because a lot of us are not in
• 45:53
  the same place very often. Like we're lucky that social
• 45:56
  media has connected us. So it's cool to meet people in
• 45:59
  person when you are in the same place.
• 46:02
  Yeah, no, totally, totally. Ryan, you had an idea around
• 46:07
  definitions of mid cars. Well, everyone seems to like
• 46:10
  these little collections of cars We do, right?
• 46:13
  You know, the the worst cars you've ever driven, you know,
• 46:16
  like the E39-M5. And so Lindsay, you've got a 13
• 46:20
  year old, I've got a 13 year old and we'll pick up on the lingo a
• 46:24
  little bit. Can't say 6-7 anymore.
• 46:26
  I'm not quite sure what's next. But for a while they were using
• 46:28
  this term called mid. And you know, so it's kind of
• 46:31
  like, I don't know, Dan, you asked me what it meant and tell
• 46:35
  me if I'm wrong, Lindsay. But it's kind of like the, I
• 46:37
  don't know, the dad bought or the mom jeans of cars, right?
• 46:40
  Like the most mid car, right? So what is the most mid car?
• 46:43
  Just like not a bad car, but just like kind of the most
• 46:46
  average of cars. Like if you asked a kid to drive
• 46:49
  to draw a car, you know, what would that car be?
• 46:52
  You know, and, and so I mean I. Would say they're unremarkable.
• 46:58
  Unremarkable. I don't do the job.
• 47:01
  Totally functional, nothing wrong with them, but it doesn't
• 47:04
  get your blood going when you. So could we say that other
• 47:07
  podcasts are mid? Absolutely all mid.
• 47:11
  All other podcasts the car. All other ones.
• 47:14
  Yeah, every single one is mid. Yeah, it's mid.
• 47:17
  What I'm hearing is that there wasn't a podcast war in Arizona,
• 47:20
  but Dan would like. To start one mid, mid, yeah,
• 47:25
  just to clear it so. That Joeling glove has been
• 47:29
  launched under the crack, right? Well, and I think that really
• 47:33
  we're right on schedule because like you said, Ryan, the kids
• 47:35
  aren't using it anymore. So it's just perfect timing for
• 47:38
  us to pick it up. Right for us olds right to, you
• 47:41
  know, to come in, you know, so yeah, I think it's just, you
• 47:46
  know, like, again, not a bad car, just kind of average, you
• 47:49
  know, probably nothing too obscure, right.
• 47:52
  Like what what else would be a would be a mid car?
• 47:55
  Yeah, they just just so average, right.
• 47:57
  So I don't know who. So I asked you each to pick 3
• 48:02
  and I Lindsay is, is another parent of a 13 year old.
• 48:05
  I think you probably have a pretty good sense of the word.
• 48:06
  So what'd you go with? So at first I kept thinking
• 48:11
  because there was at one point I had a Cayman and it was in the
• 48:14
  shop for a week, but they kept telling me it was ready.
• 48:18
  And the way the setup, you'd get a rental car and then you had to
• 48:22
  walk over to the shop to pick up the car.
• 48:24
  And so you'd throw the rental car key through the slot and
• 48:27
  then I'd go to pick up the car and they'd say, just kidding,
• 48:29
  it's not ready. So you'd get a different rental
• 48:32
  car. And that happened I think twice.
• 48:35
  And finally I was like, I'm going to hang on to these keys
• 48:37
  until I find out that the car's actually ready.
• 48:40
  And so that was a week of multiple mid cars, but it was
• 48:44
  long enough ago that I couldn't remember them.
• 48:46
  But I definitely, you know, I had sort of a sense memory when
• 48:49
  you said Ryan, like what is a mid car that's available?
• 48:53
  I went whatever those three were absolutely fit the bill.
• 48:56
  But also kind of like we've talked before about sort of
• 48:59
  unremarkable rental cars, a lot of them fit the bill.
• 49:04
  But what I landed on and I decided to go, I decided to
• 49:08
  include a gas car, a hybrid and an electric.
• 49:11
  There are used and new options and I would say, you know, just
• 49:16
  generally unremarkable, but nothing wrong with them and they
• 49:19
  get the job done. So the three that I chose are
• 49:23
  are the Tesla Model 3, because they are.
• 49:26
  We're just overrun with them here.
• 49:28
  And so it's like I'm kind of glazed over at this point on
• 49:31
  them. Yeah.
• 49:32
  Yeah. Same thing with a Toyota Prius.
• 49:35
  Yeah. You know, they're used in.
• 49:37
  I know a lot of people. Think though right?
• 49:39
  I had the Toyota Prius, old shape.
• 49:41
  Yeah, the old. Shape cool.
• 49:44
  No, the old shape. Isn't drive cool though?
• 49:46
  That's the only problem. Well, yeah, and the Ford Fusion.
• 49:54
  Oh, that's a good one, that is. Just a.
• 49:56
  Car, yeah. Right.
• 49:58
  They're fine. I, I think that's what it is.
• 50:00
  Like, they're fine, but they're not super exciting, engaging,
• 50:06
  you know, grab your attention and just like, yeah, I think.
• 50:10
  Those would all be good first cars for our soon to be 16 year
• 50:14
  old 13 year olds too, right? Because these are not cars and
• 50:18
  enthusiasts would ever go for, right?
• 50:19
  And I'm going to tell you right now, there's one car we all
• 50:22
  have. I that was, it was funny when I
• 50:26
  was choosing, I was like, I have a feeling we're all gonna,
• 50:29
  there's gonna be one that we have all chosen so.
• 50:33
  Yeah, shall we? Keep going and find out.
• 50:35
  Those are those are good because you've got a Prius too.
• 50:37
  It sounds like the end. Yeah, but yeah, the old Prius,
• 50:41
  right the. Old Prius.
• 50:43
  Yeah. Did you have?
• 50:44
  One, you remember the Yeah, I've got I, I said the, I said the
• 50:48
  Toyota Prius. Maybe this is an obvious one,
• 50:51
  but any year, any generation, any trim level, to me, it's the
• 50:54
  car for people who don't care about cars, There's no joy in
• 50:57
  the drive. They don't excel at anything
• 50:58
  other than maybe fuel efficiency, though the latest
• 51:02
  iteration does look pretty good. There is a reason the Prius is
• 51:05
  the car that more often than not shows up when you order an Uber.
• 51:09
  Yes, that's that's the Prius, right?
• 51:12
  And well, and, and we have a ton of taxi.
• 51:19
  Prius is up here too. Yeah, OK.
• 51:22
  Yeah, I guess. So this was going to be a nine
• 51:24
  car list and now it's A7 car list because we all let's see.
• 51:31
  Where Ryan's going next? Yeah, that's true.
• 51:32
  You want me to go OK, right. The Prius was just so obvious.
• 51:36
  And and and then I went with the Honda CRV, the official vehicle
• 51:41
  of mothers in law everywhere. Tell me I'm wrong.
• 51:47
  We can't. And you know, I mean, the, the,
• 51:50
  the last generation had pretty good cars, right?
• 51:53
  But they're just, you know, they're just, they're just cars.
• 51:56
  Well, they're functional. They're functional.
• 51:59
  They're functional. There's a reason mothers in law
• 52:02
  buy them and drive them and. That's hilarious.
• 52:06
  Back up into me in parking lots. But the third one is neither.
• 52:10
  Here nor there. A car much like much like, you
• 52:15
  know, we talked about the worst cars you've ever driven and the
• 52:18
  Chevy Malibu came up for me. I was.
• 52:20
  Shocked, I almost put that one on my list.
• 52:23
  OK, well, I didn't, I didn't pick it.
• 52:25
  I didn't pick it. But this one has a a lot of
• 52:27
  parallels, almost as long in the tooth.
• 52:29
  And it's a car that had to make sure it was still being sold.
• 52:32
  But is you talk about average middle America, you know, Iowa,
• 52:37
  you know, sitting in the left lane, it's the Chrysler Pacifica
• 52:41
  slash Voyager. I didn't know that they made a
• 52:44
  Voyager. They brought the name back.
• 52:45
  I think for the lesser, you know, the, I don't know, the
• 52:49
  less upscale 1. Lower trim level or whatever.
• 52:52
  So is it a? Is it still a Plymouth Voyager
• 52:56
  or is it a Chrysler? No, it's a Chrysler.
• 52:58
  And and of course you know, if you go to chrysler.com, there is
• 53:01
  but one vehicle and that is the minivan.
• 53:03
  But now there are but two vehicles because they call it
• 53:05
  two different things, right, Depending on, you know, whether
• 53:08
  you're in the position to to lay out 40,000 or 45,000, right.
• 53:12
  The town and country incidentally is gone.
• 53:14
  That's come up a couple times in conversation.
• 53:16
  The town and country is no more, but this is a car.
• 53:19
  It'll be back. Yeah, yeah.
• 53:21
  I mean, you know I always slap a little wood grain vinyl on a on
• 53:25
  a car and call it a day, right? It's the pause of an era.
• 53:31
  Which by the way, Speaking of our buddy Jorge, he heard our
• 53:33
  last our last episode, and he said his mom had a town and
• 53:37
  country. And as Jorge said, that thing
• 53:40
  slapped. And I told him, Jorge, that was
• 53:42
  just the vinyl flapping in the wind.
• 53:46
  Next week we need to come up with a list of cars that slap.
• 53:50
  Slap. We're going to do that.
• 53:55
  My daughter. Your daughter.
• 53:57
  Cringing. Cringing right now.
• 53:59
  Yeah, I was going to. Say we're going to countermand
• 54:01
  all of the slang is no longer in use, really show our age and use
• 54:06
  it incorrectly, and just make our kids cringe as much as
• 54:09
  possible. That that's it I have to add
• 54:11
  when I you know, they're big in Iowa, these things, right?
• 54:14
  And I, I did a whole thing for auto blog about how, you know,
• 54:17
  usually when there's a car in the passing lane in Iowa, it's
• 54:20
  one of these things. Well, the last time I was there,
• 54:22
  I someone being driven by the Iowa Department of Corrections
• 54:25
  as a prisoner transport vehicle. And, you know, and then going
• 54:30
  right past, it was like a family in their, you know, their
• 54:32
  minivan. And it's just, it's like, yeah,
• 54:34
  it's kind of what it is, right? Transport prisoners or your
• 54:37
  kids, you know, Costco, the county jail, you know, you're
• 54:40
  good. It just kind of does.
• 54:42
  The one half a dozen of the. Other one, but I looked it up
• 54:45
  and I was shocked to find out that it actually has AV6 with
• 54:48
  286 horsepower. That is the one engine option
• 54:52
  which isn't terrible in a world of 2.0 turbos.
• 54:55
  This thing actually has a an honest to God Chrysler V6 that
• 54:58
  that pumps up pretty decent power.
• 55:00
  So so now you know but. I feel like there's a lot of
• 55:03
  advertising potential there. I mean, look at the versatility,
• 55:06
  family cars, prisoners, you name it, you know the Pacifica slash
• 55:13
  Voyager has got it covered. You got bodies to shuttle
• 55:16
  around. This is this is this is your.
• 55:19
  But you know, I had one on. Go ahead.
• 55:20
  Sorry, it's. I was just going to say, talk
• 55:22
  about an engine that's never going to be used for what it was
• 55:25
  designed for. Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah.
• 55:28
  It's like putting indicators on a BMW Zing.
• 55:34
  Yeah, yeah, I did have an honorable mention.
• 55:38
  Yeah, here we go. What's your honorable mention?
• 55:40
  The Tesla Model 3, but specifically the single motor
• 55:43
  car. You know, I, I used to work for
• 55:46
  a big accounting firm and that was the car that he used to see
• 55:50
  a lot of in the parking lot. Terrible car for terrible
• 55:54
  people, and I'll leave it at that.
• 55:57
  And it's that's the single engine one the.
• 55:59
  Single engine one that's. You've heard it here. 1st.
• 56:03
  Also, can I just say I don't think I ever expected to hear
• 56:07
  the phrase big in Iowa? Yeah.
• 56:10
  That car show big in Iowa. Not anymore.
• 56:15
  Yeah. Is Iowa famous for potatoes or
• 56:18
  did I make that up? Corn.
• 56:19
  Famous for corn. Yeah, and sitting in the passing
• 56:22
  lane. Yeah, who makes the potato
• 56:24
  sandwich? Idaho, Idaho.
• 56:25
  Idaho, Idaho. The other I state.
• 56:29
  Yeah, in the morning, yeah, but it's probably California
• 56:33
  anymore, to be honest, right? So it's.
• 56:36
  Yeah. So I had the I had the Prius.
• 56:43
  Do we think that next year Haggerty will be bringing out
• 56:46
  the bull market, the mid market and the bullshit?
• 56:49
  I think they're going to steal a lot of ideas.
• 56:51
  Right now. These.
• 56:52
  Kids might be on to something. The Aztec pretty mid, right?
• 56:57
  Oh. Absolutely spectacular currently
• 56:59
  on the market, but you know. It's retro cool now though,
• 57:02
  isn't it? Yeah, I think it's way better
• 57:04
  than mid. Also, I have to say that I'm
• 57:06
  contractually obligated to say that It's spectacular.
• 57:09
  OK, and it was part of the the vows.
• 57:11
  Yeah, to you take this man and agree.
• 57:17
  Do you? Promise to see on the camera.
• 57:18
  It's just like a hostage video. It's got a cinder block wall
• 57:22
  behind you and you don't say the.
• 57:25
  Right thing. I love the Pontiac, as to say.
• 57:30
  It correctly. Wow, are you blinking in Morse
• 57:31
  code currently? Marriage really changes a
• 57:34
  person, doesn't it? I'm also blinking how much I
• 57:38
  love the ads just to make sure my bases are covered.
• 57:44
  Probably. And then I had some maladry.
• 57:46
  Next, the Maladry. OK.
• 57:48
  OK. That's yeah, that's there.
• 57:50
  Yeah, that exists in the mid. What is the Chrysler?
• 57:53
  That was like a. It was round at the back and
• 57:57
  they did a convertible but not a convertible.
• 57:59
  Oh, the Sebring. The Sebring.
• 58:02
  Yeah, the Chrysler. The Sebring.
• 58:04
  That was another mid. Yeah, there was the were the
• 58:07
  Avenger. No, I mean, all these cars could
• 58:10
  qualify. We were like, we're, we're.
• 58:13
  You know, we have a pretty long list.
• 58:15
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but it's interesting that
• 58:17
  a lot of them are either Japanese or American.
• 58:22
  Yeah. Isn't it?
• 58:24
  I know that like, you know, look at the America for example, then
• 58:26
  a lot of their businesses scale. So they're creating colours for
• 58:30
  scale, right, selling lots of them.
• 58:32
  But it's interesting that it was those two.
• 58:36
  Yeah, they kind of landed majority in those two regions.
• 58:40
  Yeah, yeah, you want one more Japanese 1?
• 58:42
  The Rav 4 could have been on there too.
• 58:44
  I almost had the Rav 4. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was on
• 58:47
  the list, but an old one, not a new one.
• 58:49
  OK, OK. Yeah, though they made a A6
• 58:53
  cylinder with I think 270 horsepower for just a year or
• 58:56
  two several generations back. That was crazy quick, like 0 to
• 59:00
  16, like 5.4 seconds. Look it up.
• 59:02
  It's a real thing. So now you know.
• 59:04
  Now you know. Bull market next year, Yeah, I
• 59:07
  was talking to someone who said that they leased A Rav 4 and for
• 59:10
  a while they did an all electric version, if you guys knew that.
• 59:14
  I think I did know that. Like early on, right?
• 59:17
  It was like one of the first. Super early on.
• 59:19
  EVs yeah, it was like. 300 bucks a month to to lease it.
• 59:25
  But it had like AI think a range of 90 miles or something 100
• 59:28
  and. 50 miles. 150, OK, Yeah, the same owners that now have
• 59:32
  the hydrogen cars out in California.
• 59:34
  That's right. They moved on to the Mirai.
• 59:39
  Against the Mirai owners got together and were suing because
• 59:43
  there was nowhere to actually fuel the cars.
• 59:47
  Or the infrastructure did not. It was not built out as they
• 59:50
  were told that it would be. Right.
• 59:51
  So these were hard to the. Mirai.
• 59:53
  Right. Yeah.
• 59:55
  There was 1 station in Orange County that I knew about because
• 59:59
  I knew I had family friends that bought 1.
• 1:00:01
  And I remember saying like, that's great, but where do you
• 1:00:04
  get hydrogen? And there was actually a station
• 1:00:06
  not that far away, but I think it was just the one.
• 1:00:09
  You could do a meet and greet for the Mariah Owners Club there
• 1:00:12
  couldn't. You well.
• 1:00:14
  There anyway, why don't? We just.
• 1:00:16
  The station. Somebody bring Donuts?
• 1:00:19
  Yeah, you need. To get my bad hydrogen joke.
• 1:00:21
  Come on. What was that?
• 1:00:23
  Wait, say it again. I said, oh, the humanity.
• 1:00:30
  Nicely done. Hurry.
• 1:00:32
  Maybe that's nice when you have to repeat yourself, but no.
• 1:00:35
  No, we were just talking over you.
• 1:00:37
  Prius Taxi for Ryan. I think it's getting one
• 1:00:42
  ordered. You know what I saw?
• 1:00:43
  I posted this to Instagram. I saw a street parked Checker
• 1:00:46
  cab in Denver the other day. Really so cool to see.
• 1:00:50
  Yeah, I haven't seen one of those in years, but I'm just old
• 1:00:53
  enough to remember riding in, you know, one or two as a kid,
• 1:00:56
  right? And they're huge.
• 1:00:57
  They're long. They've got the jump seats.
• 1:00:59
  It was just the last thing I expected to see in in Denver,
• 1:01:03
  parked in the snow on the side of the street.
• 1:01:05
  But apparently there's an outfit, it's called
• 1:01:07
  denverchecker.com, and you can rent it for events and things.
• 1:01:10
  So I'm thinking the next time you 2 are in town.
• 1:01:13
  Hikes peak. Let's take it.
• 1:01:16
  Wait, but can you nap in the back of it though?
• 1:01:19
  You could do whatever you could. Make.
• 1:01:21
  Breakfast back there are you it's huge.
• 1:01:23
  We do our podcast back there. I mean, wow, you know, it's.
• 1:01:27
  Podcasting from the Checker Cab. From the Checker Cab, Yeah.
• 1:01:30
  It's when I come in, yeah. That's really funny.
• 1:01:34
  That's cool, so have we completely slowed to the mid
• 1:01:37
  list now? Yeah, how many?
• 1:01:39
  So how many cars did we end up with?
• 1:01:41
  So I had Tesla Model 3 single motor, Yeah, the Toyota Prius,
• 1:01:48
  the old body and the Ford Fusion.
• 1:01:51
  And then Ryan, you had. I had the the Chrysler Pacifica
• 1:01:58
  and the the CRV, but that Ford Fusion, that might be the most
• 1:02:03
  mid of the mid, even though, right, Only you had it.
• 1:02:06
  And then Dan, you had the Prius, you had the Malibu, Malibu and
• 1:02:12
  the the Chrysler Sebring. Yeah, OK.
• 1:02:16
  Yeah, that's a that's pretty. That's pretty.
• 1:02:18
  I just saw one of those, actually.
• 1:02:19
  I hadn't seen one in years and I saw one on the road.
• 1:02:22
  It's crazy. Again, talk about a highly
• 1:02:26
  inappropriately named vehicle. Right?
• 1:02:28
  The the, the the sheep ring. But that's a it's a thing they
• 1:02:31
  do. It's all in the contrast, right?
• 1:02:33
  So, OK, so we had 7 total. That's a pretty fun list.
• 1:02:37
  Yeah, not as fun as the worst cars you've ever driven, but
• 1:02:40
  it's amazing how how we all kind of, you know, tuned in on the
• 1:02:44
  same, yeah, same kind of thing, you know?
• 1:02:47
  Yeah, we all understood the assignment for sure.
• 1:02:49
  Yeah, yeah. That's really funny.
• 1:02:53
  Next week, your favorite 67 car? Yes.
• 1:03:00
  Yeah, you, you joke. And I've just interviewed
• 1:03:01
  someone for a different podcast and they had a 67 Al Camino, I
• 1:03:05
  kid you not. OK.
• 1:03:08
  Is it like in original condition?
• 1:03:11
  Is it restored like? What's the story?
• 1:03:13
  They have owned it for 59 years. Oh wow, yeah.
• 1:03:19
  Come in soon. But it was the way that this
• 1:03:23
  gentleman, I guess is an elderly gentleman and he kept saying 67
• 1:03:26
  and he knew what it was all about, so.
• 1:03:29
  Shark jumped all right. Yeah, that's how you know the
• 1:03:32
  kids are definitely not saying it anymore.
• 1:03:37
  That is really funny. I love it.
• 1:03:40
  What else you guys got? Well, Consumer Reports brought
• 1:03:44
  out their car reliability lists. Right.
• 1:03:47
  That's right. And I wondered if you guys
• 1:03:50
  actually took Consumer Reports with a pinch of salt or whether
• 1:03:54
  you would actually consult them, like would they have any
• 1:03:56
  influence if you were to buy a car, would you look at that
• 1:03:59
  list? I would, I mean, I have in the
• 1:04:01
  past and I think I think it's one of many factors when you're
• 1:04:06
  buying a car, especially because a lot of times you know, you
• 1:04:09
  need a certain type of car, so you can't just go to the list
• 1:04:13
  and go like, what's the most reliable?
• 1:04:15
  And I'll just get that. But I've definitely used it to
• 1:04:19
  help decide like when you know you need like a pickup truck or
• 1:04:23
  whatever, then how are they rating the pickup trucks to
• 1:04:26
  decide in that like for that ask basically.
• 1:04:30
  I would challenge you guys in terms of knowing what the list
• 1:04:33
  is now and knowing what's in the last place before you saw that
• 1:04:37
  list. Would you have gone got one and
• 1:04:39
  would you still get one? Yes.
• 1:04:44
  So it's the last place. Let's find this last place,
• 1:04:47
  Rivian. Yeah, which is?
• 1:04:48
  It's a bit of a shocker. Yeah, yeah, I, I've never owned
• 1:04:52
  a Rivian, but everyone I know that has owned one or owns one
• 1:04:56
  seems to love it. So you know, a bit of a, you
• 1:04:58
  know, a bit of a, a surprise, you know, it's a young company,
• 1:05:02
  but. Yeah.
• 1:05:03
  Have you guys, have either of you ever known anybody who has
• 1:05:06
  had issues because they are more prevalent now?
• 1:05:09
  Everybody that I know, same thing, loves them.
• 1:05:12
  I was really impressed with the quality, you know, the fit and
• 1:05:16
  finish. So I was very surprised to see
• 1:05:18
  it at the bottom of the list do. You wonder if it's mostly
• 1:05:21
  software stuff, like the software stuff that gets sorted
• 1:05:26
  out. But it isn't like, you know,
• 1:05:27
  we're not talking about like, you know, like drivetrain.
• 1:05:30
  Stuff necessarily, yeah. Yeah, Yeah, I know they do
• 1:05:33
  updates without telling the owners no.
• 1:05:37
  So because I think their model is that they send engineers out
• 1:05:41
  to your cars, right? OK, Yeah.
• 1:05:44
  And they can do changes to the car and I think as part of the
• 1:05:46
  contract, they don't have to tell you what they've done.
• 1:05:49
  So you. Know well do they do they do
• 1:05:53
  open air updates too so you. Just make.
• 1:05:55
  Up and they're software updated, yeah.
• 1:05:59
  But it is weird, like no one I know has ever complained about
• 1:06:02
  reviewing reliability and yet this list which they pulled over
• 1:06:06
  300,000 people. So I guess.
• 1:06:08
  It has some level of statistical significance.
• 1:06:13
  Sure, sure, sure. Say that again, I think there
• 1:06:18
  are still a lot of people that look to consume reports.
• 1:06:20
  I, I think to this day they don't take anything from the
• 1:06:23
  companies, right? They review, I think they buy
• 1:06:25
  all the vehicles and all that. I think there's something to
• 1:06:27
  that. Plus I like circles.
• 1:06:28
  They've got that system, you know, you know, that kind of
• 1:06:32
  tells me what I need to know. But you know, I, I have, I will
• 1:06:36
  say I have referred to Consumer Reports and now we've got to
• 1:06:39
  reach out to like Molly's cousin to get his login because we
• 1:06:42
  don't like pay for the subscription.
• 1:06:44
  And you have to be a member to look at this stuff, right?
• 1:06:47
  It's a. Family share plan is what?
• 1:06:48
  You're saying that's right, you know, at least till they find us
• 1:06:51
  out like Netflix. But right, you know, I would go
• 1:06:54
  there and 1/2 for like washing machines and that kind of thing.
• 1:06:58
  But maybe this well, I was going to say this stuff that doesn't
• 1:07:00
  have an enthusiast bent, but go look up washing machine
• 1:07:05
  collectors on YouTube because they're out there too.
• 1:07:07
  You know, people have basements full of them and they have
• 1:07:09
  parties and they watch them go around.
• 1:07:10
  So there's an enthusiast for washing machines too.
• 1:07:13
  But I, you know, to me, a car is such an emotional purchase,
• 1:07:17
  right? So I think to your point, it
• 1:07:19
  would be one, one element of you know, but I, I want to hear, I
• 1:07:22
  want to hear from someone who's driven the car and you know all
• 1:07:25
  that as as well. So.
• 1:07:28
  If you're listening and you've had a bad Rivian experience, let
• 1:07:30
  us know, yeah. Yeah, I'm really curious because
• 1:07:33
  like you said, Dan, I mean, they do, they do aggregate a lot of
• 1:07:37
  information. But I wondered, you know,
• 1:07:39
  briefly, like, is it bad data just because you would think
• 1:07:43
  with the number of people that have them at this point, we
• 1:07:45
  would have started to hear stories about that, so.
• 1:07:47
  Yeah, where's Tesla on this list?
• 1:07:50
  Tesla is the most direct competitor.
• 1:07:52
  In the top 10, which is good for them, right?
• 1:07:55
  You hear more negative press around.
• 1:07:58
  Them. Yeah, I was going.
• 1:07:59
  To say that's. Shocking quality control.
• 1:08:02
  And, and I think we have to give the disclaimer here that there
• 1:08:05
  were some models, some brands that were excluded, right?
• 1:08:08
  Just out of out of numbers, right?
• 1:08:10
  So Alfa Romeo was not on this list, nor was Dodge, Fiat,
• 1:08:14
  Infinity, Jaguar Land Rover, Lucid, Maserati, Mini,
• 1:08:18
  Mitsubishi, Polestar and Porsche.
• 1:08:20
  So I'm guessing had those been included, maybe things would
• 1:08:23
  have shifted around a little bit.
• 1:08:25
  Also interestingly, both of the cars I own didn't make the list
• 1:08:29
  at all, so. That means you're never going to
• 1:08:32
  have an issue. That's right.
• 1:08:34
  You're perfect. That's what that means.
• 1:08:35
  They're just going to work forever.
• 1:08:37
  You know, it's interesting Dodge isn't on there, but Ram is,
• 1:08:40
  which is one of the, you know, family brands, I guess.
• 1:08:44
  Yeah, yeah, That's just great, Gar, isn't it?
• 1:08:46
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:08:46
  Didn't that sell enough Dodges? That's kind of crazy.
• 1:08:49
  That's in some some company. It's a much more sort of obscure
• 1:08:52
  company that's. Right.
• 1:08:55
  It's interesting that Ram made it, yeah, but Dodge didn't.
• 1:08:59
  Yeah, I. Guess it's fine.
• 1:09:01
  Four are Japanese tracks. It is German.
• 1:09:07
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:10
  And is in there at #10. Yeah, it's a little bit of a
• 1:09:13
  surprise. I don't see Hyundai.
• 1:09:18
  There are 12. It's kind of right in the middle
• 1:09:21
  tell. Me this was This survey was done
• 1:09:23
  before our friends in Porsche Colorado Springs bought their
• 1:09:26
  car. That's, that's true.
• 1:09:28
  That's true. Also Mercedes-Benz #19 one above
• 1:09:31
  Lincoln, right? So, you know, there was a time
• 1:09:34
  that Mercedes-Benz would have been #1 done and done, you know,
• 1:09:37
  and that's obviously no longer the case.
• 1:09:40
  Interesting. Again, what are the parameters?
• 1:09:42
  What are we? What are we measuring here?
• 1:09:44
  You know, But interesting nonetheless.
• 1:09:47
  It's always interesting to look. At I used to like.
• 1:09:50
  Yeah, that's a buyer, Rivian. I know.
• 1:09:53
  Absolutely. When that new, was it the R3?
• 1:09:55
  The little launcher looking with.
• 1:09:57
  That yeah, it's just like 2 years out isn't it?
• 1:09:59
  I think. Yeah, that's a.
• 1:10:00
  There's one in between that's coming out this year.
• 1:10:04
  Yeah, it's just smaller SUV, the 2.
• 1:10:06
  Yeah. Right.
• 1:10:07
  Yeah, yeah. It's an interesting year, isn't
• 1:10:10
  it, for electric SUV, because you've got that, you've got a
• 1:10:12
  scout. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:14
  Oh God I love the Scouts. Those are just.
• 1:10:17
  Those are cool too. We got to see those up close at
• 1:10:20
  the auto show and it was so much bigger than I expected.
• 1:10:23
  But yeah, yeah, really cool. The fact that they've got,
• 1:10:27
  they've got their little engines on them, haven't they?
• 1:10:29
  So you can, if you've got an emergency, you can still use
• 1:10:33
  gas. That's right.
• 1:10:35
  Which I love the idea of. You could use that.
• 1:10:39
  So I think you get like 500 miles range acclaimed with and.
• 1:10:43
  Yeah. So it sounds like a really, it
• 1:10:46
  sounds like engineers have gone to that problem and solved it,
• 1:10:48
  right? What's the direct competitors?
• 1:10:51
  I guess it's Rivian. I think Rivian is, yeah.
• 1:10:53
  I mean, with all the, you know, the, the things that slide out
• 1:10:55
  and this and that and, and, and, well, maybe that's it.
• 1:11:00
  Have you seen the Rivian trucks? So, you know, the Rivian trucks
• 1:11:04
  have got a cargo hold that goes through the.
• 1:11:07
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:08
  So there's an option that you can get which is a kitchen.
• 1:11:11
  That's right. Yeah, that slides out of there.
• 1:11:13
  How cool is that? But this is what I'm thinking.
• 1:11:15
  Like what if one of the utensils didn't work right?
• 1:11:17
  Does this land you on Consumer Reports?
• 1:11:19
  On the on the list of you know? Right.
• 1:11:21
  Like what's the, what's the threshold to be considered
• 1:11:25
  reliable or unreliable? I mean, there's all this bad,
• 1:11:28
  Dana. Or right, that can go wrong on a
• 1:11:30
  car that's complicated, right? So.
• 1:11:33
  Right. Yeah, people used to say, oh, I
• 1:11:34
  don't want to buy the electric, you know, Windows or that's one
• 1:11:37
  more thing to break. Or yeah, automatic seats.
• 1:11:41
  Well, it's another moment. That could breakdown, Yeah, OK.
• 1:11:44
  I'm gonna enjoy moving myself back and forth easily and not
• 1:11:47
  worry about it. Yeah, no, that's funny.
• 1:11:53
  Consumer Reports for the win. So yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:56
  What have we got coming up? Was there much coming up?
• 1:12:00
  The rain has returned here, so the driving days may be few and
• 1:12:04
  far between again going forward for a bit.
• 1:12:06
  Yeah, so. We'll see.
• 1:12:07
  Yeah. What about you guys?
• 1:12:09
  I'm supposed to do ice racing up in Georgetown, so up in the
• 1:12:16
  mountains a little bit from Denver.
• 1:12:18
  I guess it depends on whether the ice will be icy.
• 1:12:21
  It depends on what the weather does.
• 1:12:24
  But I'm looking forward to that. Shout out to friend of the show
• 1:12:28
  Daryl Vaughn. If you listened back, as far as
• 1:12:32
  the steering committee, he was a sponsor for a long time.
• 1:12:34
  He was a realtor, right, That we would always talk about.
• 1:12:37
  And he picked up a second Gen. MR2.
• 1:12:41
  It was the car he wanted as a kid.
• 1:12:43
  And he's going to throw some snow tires in that thing and
• 1:12:46
  we're going to go drive that around a frozen lake.
• 1:12:47
  So that should be fun. That's amazing.
• 1:12:50
  I can't wait for. That legalized racing.
• 1:12:53
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is like a structured event,
• 1:12:55
  and I think it's actually a reservoir.
• 1:12:57
  So if you do fall through, I think it's only about 20 feet
• 1:12:59
  deep. So they can probably recover
• 1:13:01
  you, you know? It's ice, cold water, iron.
• 1:13:03
  It's 20 feet deep. It doesn't matter if it's 10
• 1:13:05
  feet deep. And I like the they can probably
• 1:13:10
  recover. They could probably, yeah.
• 1:13:12
  You know it's perfect. They're just pulling out a barky
• 1:13:15
  ice cube at this point, right? He died.
• 1:13:20
  He died doing what he loved, yes.
• 1:13:24
  Well, that sounds like a lot of fun.
• 1:13:27
  Yeah, what about you? I got a couple of test drives
• 1:13:29
  next week, but I can't talk about it yet.
• 1:13:31
  But yeah, I got an interesting film shoot next week, so we'll
• 1:13:35
  see how that goes. Drag, drag strip and lots of
• 1:13:39
  different cars of of different types.
• 1:13:41
  So when I can talk about it, I will, but it may not be for a
• 1:13:45
  few weeks. It's.
• 1:13:47
  Embargoed. Yes, we're we're waiting with
• 1:13:49
  bated breath for the embargo to lift So you can share.
• 1:13:52
  You can share with us. I think that's a show, isn't it
• 1:13:55
  guys? I think that it might, just
• 1:13:57
  might be. Yeah.
• 1:13:59
  So what is the phrase? The pace?
• 1:14:01
  That is, remember always be driving and go drive for me
• 1:14:06
  since I can't right now. Yeah, if you're in none of the
• 1:14:09
  Pacific Northwest, take a drive for Lindsay.
• 1:14:12
  And if you're in Colorado, do some ice with Ryan.
• 1:14:17
  And if you're in California, yeah, come, come hang out.
• 1:14:21
  It's I'm hoping, hopefully going to catch up with Jay Ryan soon.
• 1:14:24
  He's back in town. Yeah, I just saw that there's a
• 1:14:30
  another episode of the podcast, so we'll have to catch up.
• 1:14:33
  I'm sure he's talking about the tour.
• 1:14:36
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