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The Kenny Report | 25 August · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me for another week here on the
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  Speaker 2: Kenny Report tonight. The crisis in Australian values starts from
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  Speaker 2: the top, as protests across Australia effectively support the aims.
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  Speaker 1: Of terrorist groups.
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  Speaker 2: With the crime crisis gripping the nation, especially in Victoria
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  Speaker 2: and Queensland, the zero tolerance answer might be just across
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  Speaker 2: the ditch. The mushroom murder sentencing process listens to the
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  Speaker 2: impact on victims.
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  Speaker 1: I'll have some expert analysis on that.
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  Speaker 2: Also Sophiel's worth on the border protection mess in the UK,
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  Speaker 2: and we'll have the Monday Panel of course with Gematonieni
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  Speaker 2: and Caroline Russo.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into it. Our country is in a.
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  Speaker 2: Real crisis about what we stand for and what is
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  Speaker 2: tolerable in public debate. This is about truth and facts
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  Speaker 2: and reality. It's a crisis of leadership and it's about
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  Speaker 2: the way large numbers of people in our country either
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  Speaker 2: don't understand what our country should stand for.
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  Speaker 1: Or they outright oppose it.
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  Speaker 2: At the core of our values is respect for peace, freedom,
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  Speaker 2: democracy and the rule of law, not difficult concepts for
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  Speaker 2: most Australians to sign up to Shirley, but the nationwide
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  Speaker 2: anti Israel and pro Palestinian protests over the weekend showed
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  Speaker 2: we have a problem on this front. Proponents will say
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  Speaker 2: that these protests were compassionate, they were morally virtuous, they
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  Speaker 2: were marching to stop children and civilians being killed in Gaza,
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  Speaker 2: but the reality of the protests was very different. It
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  Speaker 2: always has been since the day after the October the
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  Speaker 2: seventh atrocities nearly two years ago, when people took to
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  Speaker 2: the streets of Sydney and then to the fore court
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  Speaker 2: of the Opera House to celebrate the slaughter of more
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  Speaker 2: than twelve hundred innocent Israelis in the most vile and
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  Speaker 2: barbaric way imaginable. And while most of the people who
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  Speaker 2: marched in Brisbane and other parts of the country yesterday
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  Speaker 2: would have said they were backing a morally righteous cause
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  Speaker 2: calling for peace, their claim just doesn't bear up to
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  Speaker 2: the slightest bit of scrutiny. Firstly, these protests don't fly
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  Speaker 2: the Australian flag or the Israeli flag. They mainly fly
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  Speaker 2: the flag of the non existent state of Palestine, essentially
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  Speaker 2: backing the cause that the Hummas terrorists used to start
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  Speaker 2: this war with their grotesque violence. These are the Hummus
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  Speaker 2: terrorists who still hold hostages and refuse to end the
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  Speaker 2: war they can't possibly win.
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  Speaker 1: Yet.
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  Speaker 2: Nowhere at the protests do you see signs denouncing Hummas,
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  Speaker 2: demanding that Hummas lays down its weapons. Nowhere in these
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  Speaker 2: protests do we see banners demanding the release of hostages. No,
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  Speaker 2: they all demand that Israel stops attack Hummus. They demand
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  Speaker 2: at Israel leaves Hummus in charge. That's just the reality,
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  Speaker 2: isn't it. If these were protests for peace, they would
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  Speaker 2: focus on hostages, they would wear yellow ribbons, and they
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  Speaker 2: would demand that Hummas stops the killing and ends the
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  Speaker 2: daily war crime of holding fifty hostages, twenty alive, another
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  Speaker 2: thirty bodies as bargaining chips they're held.
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  Speaker 1: That's how sick Hummus is.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 1: If you're a protester who.
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  Speaker 2: Believes this description doesn't sit well with you, then stop
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  Speaker 2: joining these protests because that is what they are.
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  Speaker 1: This is the cause you are aligning with.
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  Speaker 2: Start another protest if you like, a real peace protest,
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  Speaker 2: one that denounces Hummus, that condemns terrorism and demands the
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  Speaker 2: release of hostages as well as the protection of innocent
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  Speaker 2: civilian lives, because it gets worse. In the protest, there
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  Speaker 2: were people wearing tea shirts emblazoned with the late Hummas
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  Speaker 2: terrorist leader Jaga Sinhwa. Imagine that a bloodthirsty terrorist lauded
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  Speaker 2: on our streets. And there have been banners and flags
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  Speaker 2: mimbicking those of terror groups like Hamas, Hezbollah and ISIS.
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  Speaker 1: On the Sydney Harbor Bridge last month.
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  Speaker 2: They even carried posters of the Supreme Leader of Iran,
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  Speaker 2: the Ayatollah, who funds terrorism by Hamas and other groups
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  Speaker 2: around the world, and who calls, by the way, for
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  Speaker 2: the elimination of Israel. These are not the banners and
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  Speaker 2: symbols of the heroes of peace. These are people and
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  Speaker 2: ideas that are enemies of freedom, enemies of humanity and
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  Speaker 2: enemies of Australia. And we've heard chants at these protests
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  Speaker 2: about Palestine being freed from the river to the sea,
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  Speaker 2: which even Anthony Albanizi admits is a call to obliterate
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  Speaker 2: Israel and the Jews. And we've heard chants of death
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  Speaker 2: to the idef. I mean, when did peace marchers ever
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  Speaker 2: chant for death? And yesterday we heard this chant even
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  Speaker 2: from the mouths of children. Yeah, they're chanting for the interfada.
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  Speaker 2: That is literally an uprising, but in reality something far
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  Speaker 2: more sinister. There have already been two Palestinian inter fardas.
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  Speaker 2: Here's what they are like in reality.
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  Speaker 4: In August ninth, two thousand and one, a Palestinian suicide
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  Speaker 4: bomber entered the Saparo pizzeria in downtown Jerusalem, detonating a
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  Speaker 4: bomb which killed fifteen p From two thousand to two
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  Speaker 4: thousand and two, the second Interfada caused the deaths of
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  Speaker 4: over three hundred Israelis from sniper attacks, ambushes, and suicide bombings.
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  Speaker 4: Israel called for a cease fire for ten days and
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  Speaker 4: held its fire, yet more than seventy attacks were recorded
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  Speaker 4: during this time alone, culminating in a suicide bombing at
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  Speaker 4: a disco in Tel Aviv when over twenty one people,
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  Speaker 4: including sixteen teenagers, were killed and more than ninety were injured.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Terrorism, suicide bombers and snipers, terrorists killing innocent Israelis. That's
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  Speaker 2: what an interfarda is, and that's what the protesters were
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  Speaker 2: calling for yesterday, and our authorities just let it happen.
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  Speaker 2: By pretend this is all okay. The taxpayer funded media
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  Speaker 2: doesn't show this malevolence in its coverage or explain it. Instead,
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  Speaker 2: they demonized Israel at every turn, and they almost barrack
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  Speaker 2: for these protests.
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  Speaker 1: They run public promotions for them.
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  Speaker 3: Protesters swarmed the streets of Melbourne CBD, bringing Swanston Street
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  Speaker 3: to a standstill. The crowds were significantly smaller in Canberra,
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  Speaker 3: but no less impassioned from the big cities to regional towns,
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  Speaker 3: vowing to continue to march while the people of Gaza
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  Speaker 3: are suffering.
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  Speaker 2: They're just promoting them. But why are the people of
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  Speaker 2: Gaza suffering? Don't you think that Humas might have something.
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  Speaker 1: To do with that?
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  Speaker 2: Or do you blame Israel like the andy Semis do,
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  Speaker 2: like the terrorists do, like Hamas does. But is there
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  Speaker 2: any wonder that the ABC is so appalling when even
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  Speaker 2: our Prime Minister Anthony Alberizi calls these protests peaceful. And
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  Speaker 2: this is a prime minister who uses language like this
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  Speaker 2: bit I'll just show you to describe the terrorists and
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  Speaker 2: the families of suicide bombers who are currently financed by
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  Speaker 2: the Palestinian authority.
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  Speaker 5: It has pledged to abolish the system of payments to
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  Speaker 5: the families of prisoners and martyrs.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he calls terrorists suicide bombers martyrs. These killers are
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  Speaker 2: glorified as martyrs by our own Prime minister. This is
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  Speaker 2: disgusting and our PM trusts the word of Mahmoud Abbas,
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  Speaker 2: the Palestinian leader who pays terrorists now, but who told
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  Speaker 2: our prime minister that in the future he'll stop paying
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  Speaker 2: terrorists and the families of suicide bombers. Did Albineze even
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  Speaker 2: stop to think who he was talking to and what
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  Speaker 2: they were talking about before he agreed to deal with
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  Speaker 2: this man and start arguing his case publicly and then
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  Speaker 2: pretend that this is the man who could forge a new,
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  Speaker 2: peaceful Palestinian state.
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  Speaker 1: We are in a bad place in this country right now.
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  Speaker 2: People spouting the propaganda of terrorists, people chanting for terrorism,
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  Speaker 2: and a prime minister acting like a useful idiot for
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  Speaker 2: the extremists. Many Jewish Australians have spoken to me about
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  Speaker 2: the possibility of emigrating yep, leaving this country for either
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  Speaker 2: the US or Israel.
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  Speaker 1: That feel safer in the US or Israel.
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  Speaker 2: Let that sink in Jewish Australians who say they would
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  Speaker 2: feel safer in the US or Israel than they do
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  Speaker 2: in Australia. Now that tells you how serious our crisis
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  Speaker 2: has become. We all know about the housing crisis in
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  Speaker 2: this country, and we all know about the problem. It
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  Speaker 2: all comes from supply and demand, doesn't It all comes
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  Speaker 2: down to supply and demand. With demand far exceeding supply,
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  Speaker 2: prices are being pushed way too high, and the government,
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  Speaker 2: of course, is central on both sides of this equation.
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  Speaker 2: The federal government pushes up demand by allowing record immigration
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  Speaker 2: and failing to reduce those numbers even though it promised to.
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  Speaker 1: And on the.
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  Speaker 2: Supply side, governments are a problem as well, local state
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  Speaker 2: and federal governments. They don't release enough land, they impose
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  Speaker 2: too many planning controls, and then they add in a
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  Speaker 2: raft of regulation and union involvement that slows construction and
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  Speaker 2: pushes the prices up. But ourbo reckons he can fix
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  Speaker 2: this a it's another big promise. One of his new
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  Speaker 2: measures is to pause the construction Code, something the Liberals
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  Speaker 2: promised in the election campaign and labor bagged. But now
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  Speaker 2: Albaneze is doing exactly the same thing. Just part of
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  Speaker 2: what labor reckons is a great package to boost housing supplies.
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  Speaker 5: It follows as well our policy of more prefab in
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  Speaker 5: different construction of homes so that more homes can be
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  Speaker 5: built more quickly.
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  Speaker 2: Sure we will believe that when we see it, perhaps
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  Speaker 2: it will go away the same way as the power
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  Speaker 2: price cut promise, because we've been given another insight into labor,
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  Speaker 2: governments and construction costs in Parliament House actually, like right
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  Speaker 2: inside the building. While Labor has been cutting back on
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  Speaker 2: staff allocations for the opposition, it organized to give the
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  Speaker 2: Greens a new party room near the Senate, a room
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  Speaker 2: taxpayers have renovated for the Greens at a cost of
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  Speaker 2: just below nine hundred thousand dollars. Yeah, you could build
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  Speaker 2: a hell of a house for nine hundred thousand dollars,
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  Speaker 2: but in Canberra it's just enough for Labor to curry
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  Speaker 2: favor with their mates, the Greens by sprucing up a
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  Speaker 2: room one room. And what's worse is that the way
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  Speaker 2: is the way politicians try to keep stuff like this
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  Speaker 2: secret from the rest of us. The journalists who revealed
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  Speaker 2: all this is in the Australian newspaper has now been
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  Speaker 2: banned from Parliament for a week. So much for openness
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  Speaker 2: and transparency Ade. It's hard to know what Labor found
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  Speaker 2: most embarrassing in this story. The fact it was bowing
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  Speaker 2: yet again to their ideological soulmates.
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  Speaker 1: The Greens.
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  Speaker 2: All the fact that it cost almost a million dollars
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  Speaker 2: to renovate a single room in Parliament House. Would you
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  Speaker 2: really trust this lot to solve a housing crisis? I
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  Speaker 2: talked last week about Sydney's outrageously wet winter. We had
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  Speaker 2: actually some sunshine and clear skies over the weekend. It's
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  Speaker 2: just rained before then, just rained continuously and NonStop for
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  Speaker 2: weeks on end.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, in the Sydney Seed it's.
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  Speaker 2: Been the wettest August on record, a rainfall record broken
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  Speaker 2: way back when August still had more than ten days
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  Speaker 2: to run.
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  Speaker 1: Now, anyone who's been paying.
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  Speaker 2: Attention knows that this is the opposite to climate impact,
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  Speaker 2: to what's been pushed by the climate alarmists.
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  Speaker 6: Even the rain it falls isn't actually going to fill
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  Speaker 6: our dams and our river system. Even the rain it
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  Speaker 6: falls isn't actually going to fill our dams and our
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  Speaker 6: river system.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the man Labor made Climate Commissioner, a bloke
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  Speaker 2: the ABC often uses as an expert on climate change,
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  Speaker 2: a bloke who's certainly got no idea.
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  Speaker 1: But it's not just Sydney that's been wet.
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  Speaker 2: Even while parts of South Australia and Victoria were suffering
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  Speaker 2: through drought. Over in Perth, the normally dry West Australian capital,
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  Speaker 2: has been having a super wet winter.
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  Speaker 7: Other states and territories may be used to this kind
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  Speaker 7: of weather, but for the West, the amount of rain
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  Speaker 7: that has for and it's unusual for this time of year,
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  Speaker 7: purpose to pass it's average winter rainfall of four hundred
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  Speaker 7: and sixty seven millimeters for the first time in twenty
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  Speaker 7: five years. Showers and storms over the state's southwest have
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  Speaker 7: contributed to the rainfall totals.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, even the Golden West is wet.
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  Speaker 2: But you know how the Weather Bureau often gets all
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  Speaker 2: catastrophised about global warming when there's a heat wave or
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  Speaker 2: a new maximum temperature record. Listen to the way they
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  Speaker 2: deal with this rainfall record.
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  Speaker 8: I really explain why this week has been quite active
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  Speaker 8: and we've had a lot of rainfall.
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  Speaker 9: So yeah, it's just the natural variability of the climate.
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  Speaker 10: Really.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, when the weather is hot or dry, they love
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  Speaker 2: to cite climate change and use it as a poor
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  Speaker 2: tent of disaster to come. But when it's rain, it's
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  Speaker 2: just natural climate variability.
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  Speaker 1: No mention of global warming.
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  Speaker 2: They only talk about climate change when the weather suits
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  Speaker 2: their narrative. Still listen to the Prime Minister today and
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  Speaker 2: apparently the scary news is all around us.
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  Speaker 5: Whether it's an increased water temperature that's having an impact
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  Speaker 5: in South Australia, whether it's the droughts in Southern Australia,
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  Speaker 5: whether it's the floods and the mid North Coast, whether
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  Speaker 5: it's impact as well that's having on the West Coast.
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  Speaker 5: We see an increased number of weather events occurring. That
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  Speaker 5: is what the science told us would occur. It is happening.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he ramps up the alarmism, doesn't he, And why
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  Speaker 2: Well for politics, of course he wants to attack the
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  Speaker 2: Coalition over the net zero debate.
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  Speaker 5: If you get rid of net zero, you are saying
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  Speaker 5: climate change is not real and you do not need
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  Speaker 5: to do anything about it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, no, Prime Minister, I don't deny climate change, but
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  Speaker 2: I'm opposed to net zero by twenty fifty because I
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  Speaker 2: understand climate science and reality. First, net zero is not achievable.
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  Speaker 2: That's what the experts tell us not globally, and not
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  Speaker 2: in Australia, not with current technology, and certainly not without
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  Speaker 2: a huge amount of nuclear energy. Second, we will send
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  Speaker 2: ourselves broke trying to get there.
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  Speaker 1: We already are doing that.
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  Speaker 2: Have you checked your power bill lately or how well
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  Speaker 2: Australian manufacturing an industry is going. Third, the rest of
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  Speaker 2: the world is increasing its emissions.
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  Speaker 1: So even though we're destroying.
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  Speaker 2: Our economy trying to achieve a target we can't meet,
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  Speaker 2: whatever we do with our less than one percent of
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  Speaker 2: global emissions will not make one sintilla of difference to
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  Speaker 2: the atmosphere.
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  Speaker 1: Or therefore the climate.
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  Speaker 2: So if you support net zero by twenty fifty for Australia,
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  Speaker 2: you support a massive economic burden covering our beautiful landscapes
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  Speaker 2: with solar farms, wind turbines and transmission lines delivering more
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  Speaker 2: expensive and less reliable power just to meet a target
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  Speaker 2: we can't meet, and to have virtually zero impact on
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  Speaker 2: the climate.
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  Speaker 1: It's all pain and no gain. They won't do a.
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  Speaker 2: Cost benefit analysis of their policies because the costs are
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  Speaker 2: huge and the benefits are non existent. Simple as that,
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  Speaker 2: But Albo reckons he's saving the planet have a look.
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  Speaker 5: It is defying what we see happening around us and
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  Speaker 5: defying the science. My government will act on climate change.
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  Speaker 2: No, Prime Minister, you cannot change the climate. You are
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  Speaker 2: only wrecking our energy grid and undercutting our prosperity.
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  Speaker 1: That's the fact.
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  Speaker 2: Don't treat photos like fools because eventually they'll wake up.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go to Camber now and catch up with Shadow
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  Speaker 2: Assistant Minister for Treasury Dave Shama.
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  Speaker 1: Dave, good to talk to you.
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  Speaker 2: I've got to ask you first up about those protests
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  Speaker 2: we saw on the weekend. You're a former Australian ambassador
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  Speaker 2: to Israel. You understand clearly what a call for an
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  Speaker 2: inter FATA is. Should this be tolerated in this country?
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  Speaker 11: No, I don't think it should be christ I mean
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  Speaker 11: people calling openly for inter fart as people waving the
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  Speaker 11: flags of listed terrorist organizations like come US. You know
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  Speaker 11: they should be prosecuted. That is not within the boundaries
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  Speaker 11: or the acceptable use of free speech and free expression.
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  Speaker 11: And you know, the protesters who were engaged in that
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  Speaker 11: behavior over the weekend, they should be dealt with.
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  Speaker 1: With the full force of the law.
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  Speaker 11: And I'm glad to see at least the Queensland Premier
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  Speaker 11: has come out and said as much today on that topic.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there are reports of our Humma's flag and the
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  Speaker 2: police in Queensland following that up. But I mean chanting
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  Speaker 2: into Farda and displaying photos that obviously you're lauding your
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  Speaker 2: supreme leader of Iran.
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  Speaker 1: Not to mention Jaga Sinoa.
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  Speaker 2: Why don't we see police actively prosecuting, stamping up this
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  Speaker 2: sort of behavior, and perhaps more to the point, why
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  Speaker 2: do we have a prime minister who calls this sort
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  Speaker 2: of behavior peaceful rather than calling it out.
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  Speaker 11: Look, I agree, I mean I think it does need
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  Speaker 11: to be called out. You know, these are terrorist organizations
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  Speaker 11: and terrorist leaders who are being glorified by members of
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  Speaker 11: the Australian public for the taking of innocent life in
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  Speaker 11: a barbaric fashion in the case of Hamas, or being
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  Speaker 11: behind you know, decades of instability and terrorist group funding
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  Speaker 11: in the case of Iran Supreme leader. Yeah, I don't
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  Speaker 11: think we should be support Yes, some of the protests
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  Speaker 11: were peaceful, but there's no doubt that there are elements
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  Speaker 11: of the protesters there that have a very radical agenda
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  Speaker 11: and we have laws in place to outlaw the flying
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  Speaker 11: of terrorists flags to outlaw calling for death and destruction
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  Speaker 11: to another people. We should be using those laws and
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  Speaker 11: the fact that we're not, I think, only means that
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  Speaker 11: we are likely to see this sort of behavior continue.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a terrible problem.
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  Speaker 2: And let me bring it back to the economy and
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  Speaker 2: some of your direct responsibilities. The Prime Minister try to
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  Speaker 2: sell a package on the housing supply, a range of measures,
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  Speaker 2: including one that the Coalition proposed before the election and
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  Speaker 2: Labor and Labor mocked but now they're adopting it. Is
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  Speaker 2: there anything in this package that you think will actually
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  Speaker 2: speed up and speed up the supply of housing and
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  Speaker 2: therefore make it less expensive.
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  Speaker 11: Well, look, there's two things I'd say. Firstly, yeah, Labour
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  Speaker 11: seems to have adopted the coalition pole to freeze changes
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  Speaker 11: to the Building Construction Code on the National Construction Code,
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  Speaker 11: so at least the price of new buildings doesn't continue
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  Speaker 11: to rise because of additional costs and burdens and whatnot.
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  Speaker 11: They've also expanded, incidentally, a scheme that coalition introduced, a
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  Speaker 11: Home Guarantee scheme, which basically allows the government to make
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  Speaker 11: a contribution in the form of a contingent liability as
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  Speaker 11: someone's deposit. But what Labour's done is basically remove the
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  Speaker 11: cap on that it was limited to fifty thousand people
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  Speaker 11: under the Coalition, and remove any means testing or income testing.
• 21:34
  Speaker 11: So that's going to be a huge injection of demand
• 21:37
  Speaker 11: into the market. It's not a supply side measure, it's
• 21:39
  Speaker 11: a demand measure. And all that's going to do is
• 21:41
  Speaker 11: make housing more expensive. So I would say some total
• 21:45
  Speaker 11: out of this, No, houses aren't getting any cheaper as
• 21:47
  Speaker 11: a result of Labour's three day so called productivity roundtable.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I would point out any economists would agree
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: with you. There will be an impact and upwards impact
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: on prices that's unavoidable with those sorts of measures. Let
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: me bring it back to the climate and net zero
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: debate as well. Barnaby Joyce of course is pushing for
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: a net zero bill through parliament. Your party, the Liberal Party,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: hasn't really made up its mind on net zero yet.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Here's what Barnaby Joyce said on Sky earlier today.
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: Happy to have it every week, every sitting week.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: I think it's really important, This is incredibly important. The
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: thing is they don't seem to understand the absolute fury
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: and anger and that it's palpable in regional areas, how
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: people like they literally literally not figuratively crying, just saying
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: you are destroying my life. And where the street is
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: on this is different to where Parliament House is on this.
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: And what it reminds me very much of is the
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: voice debate, you know, where virtue abounded in this building.
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: But once you got out of the door, I went,
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: that's crazy.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Dave Schama, this is going to go on
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: for a while. We heard the Prime Minister earlier. He says,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: this is just a test. You're either for net zero
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: or against it. If you're against it, you're against the planet.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Shouldn't we just be pushing for proper cost benefit analysis
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: of energy policies?
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: I think so.
• 23:08
  Speaker 11: I mean, I think the Prime Minister wants to turn
• 23:10
  Speaker 11: this into a test of belief. You know, are you
• 23:12
  Speaker 11: a believer or are you an appos state? If you like,
• 23:16
  Speaker 11: I don't believe we should be buying into that argument.
• 23:18
  Speaker 11: I think we should be, you know, making this a
• 23:20
  Speaker 11: question of what is going to deliver the lowest cost,
• 23:23
  Speaker 11: most reliable form of energy and we need to be
• 23:26
  Speaker 11: agnostic about the technology that's going to do that. And
• 23:28
  Speaker 11: I think it's clear that you know Labour's record here
• 23:31
  Speaker 11: is abismore. I mean, emissions are not coming down with them,
• 23:34
  Speaker 11: but wholesale electricity prices are orders.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Of magnitude higher than they have been.
• 23:39
  Speaker 11: You know, wholesale gas prices triple what they were a
• 23:42
  Speaker 11: decade ago on the East Coast. And Australia's energy advantage,
• 23:46
  Speaker 11: which was once an international advantage for us, it's now
• 23:49
  Speaker 11: a disadvantage for us, as I think Gary Banks, the
• 23:51
  Speaker 11: Productivity Chairman, made that point in Parliament House here last week.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: And guess what, Nothing we're doing is having any impact
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: on the global CLIs. So this is all a folly regardless,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: is extraordinary to watch. Thanks for joining us, Dave Sharma,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: appreciate it. Liberal Senator for New South Wales, Dave Shama.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: They're joining us live from Canberra. I want to go
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: to other news now. And the mushroom killer Aaron Patterson
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: has been back in court today, six weeks after being
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: found guilty of murdering three relatives with beef Wellington's containing
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: those deadly death cap mushrooms. Relatives of the victims have
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: been delivering impact statements today ahead of Patterson's sentencing.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Here's some of what unfolded in court.
• 24:33
  Speaker 12: Simon Patterson, miss Patterson's estranged husband and the son of
• 24:36
  Speaker 12: Don and Gale, had his words read aloud in court,
• 24:39
  Speaker 12: saying his children now live in an irreparably broken home
• 24:43
  Speaker 12: with only a solo parent, and his children still struggle
• 24:46
  Speaker 12: to comprehend what their mother has done, and almost everyone
• 24:50
  Speaker 12: else knows their mother murdered their grandparents. The sole survivor,
• 24:54
  Speaker 12: An Wilkinson, was the first to face her. His voice
• 24:58
  Speaker 12: broke as he described his wife, Heather, are simply delightful,
• 25:02
  Speaker 12: his love of forty four years, and in a remarkable moment,
• 25:06
  Speaker 12: also said he forgives her, hoping she'll use prison to
• 25:09
  Speaker 12: become a better person.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Extraordinary stuff. Let's bring in doctor x Anthe x Anthe Mallatu.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: He's a criminologist with the Central Queensland University. Good to
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: talk to you, against Anthony when you go start going
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: through this process here, because this has been such a
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: sensational case and so many people have focused on the
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: drama and the unusual circumstances involved. But in the end
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: it's just a reminder that the horrific nature of this crime,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: because this is someone killing relatives and so there are
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: our relatives who are left dealing with this, not children included,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: plus of course a former husband who realizes that he's
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: lucky to be alive.
• 25:47
  Speaker 13: Absolutely good evening, Chris. Yes, whenever something happens within a family,
• 25:51
  Speaker 13: obviously it causes even more trauma. And we have an
• 25:54
  Speaker 13: individual he's been found guilty of three murders within the
• 25:57
  Speaker 13: family and an attempted fourth murder and goes out to
• 26:00
  Speaker 13: them and they were twenty seven. Witness that impact statements
• 26:03
  Speaker 13: read in court today, and so I think that really
• 26:06
  Speaker 13: speaks to the breadth of harm that she is caused.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Tell us about this process of victim impact statements. It's
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: varied around the States. It's a relatively new process come
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: on the stream over recent decades. As I say, state
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: by state, how do you think it can inform the judge?
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Surely the judge is aware of the details of the
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: crimes and will have a sentence in mind.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Anyway, how will he or she allow these statements to
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: impact them.
• 26:35
  Speaker 13: It's an essential part of what is in essence a
• 26:37
  Speaker 13: criminal justice system. So it's not focused on the victims
• 26:41
  Speaker 13: when they give evidence in court as witnesses, for example,
• 26:44
  Speaker 13: they are there to represent the crown to help the
• 26:46
  Speaker 13: crown's case generally speaking, so really they don't have a
• 26:50
  Speaker 13: voice and this is one way of giving them their
• 26:52
  Speaker 13: voice in the process, and it can be very difficult,
• 26:56
  Speaker 13: very emotional for them, but it can be cathartic as well.
• 26:59
  Speaker 13: And many of them do choose to read their own statements.
• 27:01
  Speaker 13: Others will have somebody stand in and read for them.
• 27:04
  Speaker 13: Some choose not to speak at all, but it is
• 27:06
  Speaker 13: absolutely up to them and it's their opportunity to look
• 27:10
  Speaker 13: the person in the eye that's caused them the most
• 27:12
  Speaker 13: harm and actually share their innermost feelings.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: I think there's no doubt about what you say that
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: can be cathartic for the victims and gives them a say.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Even the fact that it's all reported in.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: The media, it helps put the context around the crime
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: that they would like to see people focus on.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: But do you think is there any evidence that.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Actually affects the severity of sentences and the like that
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: the judges then hand out.
• 27:38
  Speaker 13: Not really, I mean the judge will already have a
• 27:40
  Speaker 13: sentence in mind and there will be guidelines. We are
• 27:43
  Speaker 13: looking at three counts of murder, one count of attempted murder,
• 27:47
  Speaker 13: so he's going to be fairly limited in what he
• 27:49
  Speaker 13: can actually hand down. I am expecting a life sentence,
• 27:52
  Speaker 13: so the question will be around parole and he will
• 27:55
  Speaker 13: take a number of mitigating factors, are things that may
• 27:57
  Speaker 13: reduce that sentence and aggravating factors into account and the
• 28:01
  Speaker 13: harm cause to family will be a factor he will
• 28:03
  Speaker 13: be considering. But he is obous totally cross that already
• 28:08
  Speaker 13: from listening to all the evidence that was heard.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: In court, terrific analysis and insight. Xanthe thanks so much
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: for joining us le's doctor Xanthey Mallett with the Central
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Queensland University.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: We've got to get to a break on the other
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: side of crossing life.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: To London because there have been thousands of protesters against
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: asylum seekers. They're being housed in hotels at taxpayer expense.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Of course, thousands of protesters have taken to the streets
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: across the UK angry over the number of asylum seekers
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: being housed in hotels are whopping thirty two thousand people.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: That's an increase of eight percent since last year. Here's
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: some of the reaction from angry Brits.
• 28:54
  Speaker 14: PSAMA and I will say this is a complete traitor.
• 28:57
  Speaker 14: It should not be ruled in this country. He's got
• 29:00
  Speaker 14: no time for the true British people.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: And I don't care if.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: They locked me up for saying that.
• 29:04
  Speaker 14: You know, I've bought out my ass off in this country,
• 29:07
  Speaker 14: you know. And these come here and they get and
• 29:10
  Speaker 14: they get this. These aren't coming through the legal channels
• 29:13
  Speaker 14: and the government and that know that send them straight back.
• 29:16
  Speaker 15: People are happy about paying taxes, and the taxes has
• 29:19
  Speaker 15: gone up, cost of living has gone up for the roof,
• 29:22
  Speaker 15: and they're having a free ride from looking for asylum.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: It's a peaceful seaside.
• 29:26
  Speaker 15: Tell yeah, I grew up around here, so I've seen
• 29:29
  Speaker 15: the change over the last two years.
• 29:31
  Speaker 8: At least.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Let's cross to Sophiel's within the UK. She's News Corps
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Europe correspondent of course, and Sky News contributed. Good to
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: talk to you again, Sophia. This is extraordinary. You've been
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: out at these protests over the weekend, thirty two thousand
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: people at taxpayer expense in hotels. Tell us how this
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: whole border protection disaster is playing out.
• 29:54
  Speaker 16: Well, Great to be with you, Chris.
• 29:55
  Speaker 17: Look, it's playing out extremely terribly here in the UK.
• 29:58
  Speaker 17: It's dominating headline here day in day out on Friday
• 30:02
  Speaker 17: evening local time. I traveled to Bournemouth, which is in
• 30:06
  Speaker 17: southwest England, a couple of hundred k's from London to
• 30:11
  Speaker 17: attend one of these protesters. Now, it was outside the
• 30:14
  Speaker 17: front of the Hotel Britannia in Bournemouth, which is just
• 30:18
  Speaker 17: a couple of hundred meters from the glorious beachside there
• 30:22
  Speaker 17: in the coastal region, and there was a protest there
• 30:26
  Speaker 17: on Friday night. And I can tell you, Chris, tensions
• 30:29
  Speaker 17: were high in this community, which has got a couple
• 30:32
  Speaker 17: of one hundred thousand residents. There's a lot of people
• 30:36
  Speaker 17: very angry about these asylum seekers coming in being housed
• 30:40
  Speaker 17: in these hotels and Chris, the people that did speak
• 30:43
  Speaker 17: to me were pretty annoyed about what's going on, but
• 30:46
  Speaker 17: rest assured. There were also many others who wouldn't go
• 30:49
  Speaker 17: on camera because they were worried of what would happen
• 30:52
  Speaker 17: if they did speak out. So this is an issue
• 30:55
  Speaker 17: that is continuing to festa in the UK and it
• 30:59
  Speaker 17: seems that Sakirs Starmer has failed to get a grip
• 31:03
  Speaker 17: on the issues here with migration.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Look, it's just so obvious and Australians know it. So well,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: and of course Americans know it now as well. If
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: you want to be a sovereign nation, you must control
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: your borders. I would have thought this issue was the
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: number one issue behind Britain leaving the EU, the whole
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Brexit debate going back many years now. Yet governments, especially
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: left wing governments, can't bring themselves to be strong enough
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: to control their borders.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: This must be the wind under the wings.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Of Nigel Faras surely, and is going to have a
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: big impact on the next election.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 31:36
  Speaker 17: He's done an extensive interview in the UK media here
• 31:39
  Speaker 17: on the weekend where he's saying he wants to overhaul
• 31:43
  Speaker 17: legislation here. He wants to introduce a Bill of Rights
• 31:46
  Speaker 17: and he wants to be able to introduce the ability
• 31:49
  Speaker 17: to arrest, attain and to port illegal migrants. And this
• 31:54
  Speaker 17: I can tell you Chris is resonating.
• 31:56
  Speaker 16: With a lot of people.
• 31:57
  Speaker 17: There's a survey in the Times of London this morning
• 32:01
  Speaker 17: that shows seventy percent of Britain's think that Kirs Starmer
• 32:05
  Speaker 17: is doing a bad job of the migration problems here,
• 32:08
  Speaker 17: and fifty percent of those labor voters are also annoyed
• 32:13
  Speaker 17: about this. So his own voting constituency, so he really
• 32:17
  Speaker 17: needs to get a handle on this.
• 32:18
  Speaker 16: But I can tell you, Chris, from being at those protests.
• 32:21
  Speaker 17: The people that are talking to me are discussing about
• 32:24
  Speaker 17: Nigel Farage and their annoyance at Kir's starmer and they're
• 32:28
  Speaker 17: not even mentioning the Conservative Party.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, completely frozen out.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: It's a fascinating political dynamic and we've seen it before.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: It it does have without all the embellishments of personality.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: It is relevent of Donald Trump.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Because I think border control was such a big issue
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: with Donald Trump and his rise in the US. I
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: want to get your thoughts on another fascinating development that's
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: unfolding across the UK because I think it's a familiar
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: to Australians. You know, there's so much uncertainly of our
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: national flag here. Whenever the Prime Minister speaks there's three
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: flags behind him. When we have these protests on the weekend,
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: you never see an Australian flag and in fact people
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: sometimes arrested because of the provocation of an Australian flag.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Can you believe it?
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: But the flag, the national flag in England and the
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: flag of Great Britain is making a bit of a comeback.
• 33:22
  Speaker 16: Well, it is indeed, Chris, because when the Lionesses here
• 33:25
  Speaker 16: are won the EuroLeague in July, many people raise their
• 33:29
  Speaker 16: flags above their homes, above their businesses, and they've kept
• 33:32
  Speaker 16: them up.
• 33:33
  Speaker 17: But what's happened in Birmingham in Northern England is that
• 33:36
  Speaker 17: their councilor has told people to take these flags down.
• 33:40
  Speaker 17: They say there's safety issues with them, but the public
• 33:43
  Speaker 17: are fighting back, saying, hang on a moment, there's Palestinian
• 33:46
  Speaker 17: flags that are being allowed to fly.
• 33:48
  Speaker 16: Why is not the Union jack being allowed to fly
• 33:52
  Speaker 16: in the UK.
• 33:52
  Speaker 17: So as a result, flag sales are dying up here.
• 33:57
  Speaker 17: Many people are defying the orders and flying flags above
• 34:01
  Speaker 17: their businesses and homes and fed up being told what
• 34:05
  Speaker 17: to do by these counsels who seem to have double standards.
• 34:09
  Speaker 16: Chris.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what a great way of fighting back the silent
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: majority saying if you don't want us to fly our
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: nation's flag, we'll buy one and fly it. Good on
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: them sticking it up then, thanks so much, Sophie, appreciate it.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: So if your was worth their live from the UK,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: we're going to take a break.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: On the other side, I want to talk of the
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: crime crisis as coriupping parts of this nation, especially Victoria
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: and Queensland. And there's a zero tolerance answer.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: That's very close. It's right across the ditch.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: And we were just talking about the sentencing process for
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: the mushroom murderer Aaron Patterson. Of course those victimpack statements
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: heard today. We've just heard the news that the sentencing
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: will be handed down on Monday, the eighth of September.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: So Monday, the eighth of September.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Is d day for Aaron Patterson and those murder and
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: that attempted murder sentences to.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Be handed down.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Now, let's keep going then on crime issues and the
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: crime crisis in this country and potential solutions from across
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: the ditch. Youth crime in particular is an issue in
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: all states of this country, of course, but Queensland Police
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: launched a crackdown earlier this month, rounding up over one
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: hundred alleged offenders in Townsville and Cairns, charging them with
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: over nine hundred offenses. In South Australia, more than seventeen
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: hundred young offenders have been caught breaking.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Bail over the past nine months, while.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: In Victoria the situation is dire. He's the latest from
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: seven News.
• 35:40
  Speaker 18: Youth crime again in the spotlight, it surged seventeen percent,
• 35:44
  Speaker 18: the crime rate now at the highest since records began.
• 35:48
  Speaker 18: Ten to seventeen year olds now make up thirteen percent
• 35:51
  Speaker 18: of all criminals, with that age group now responsible for
• 35:55
  Speaker 18: nearly fifty percent of home invasions and more than a
• 35:58
  Speaker 18: third of karthur.
• 36:00
  Speaker 10: A family's BMW roars off into the night inside at
• 36:07
  Speaker 10: least two teenagers. The impact they've left behind has left
• 36:11
  Speaker 10: even senior detectives shaken. Armed with a knife a machete,
• 36:15
  Speaker 10: they used garden shears from the shed to smash a window.
• 36:18
  Speaker 10: Once inside, they forced husband and wife into separate rooms.
• 36:21
  Speaker 10: They stabbed the thirty nine year old man eleven times.
• 36:25
  Speaker 10: He was left with a fractured arm, cuts to his
• 36:27
  Speaker 10: face and will need to undergo eye surgery.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Shocking stuff, but the answers might be steering us in
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: the face.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: New Zealand has.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Left the soft on crime approach behind, moving towards zero
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: tolerance and it's working with serious youth crime down by
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: thirteen percent and ram raids down by eighty percent. Sonny
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Cowshall heads up a special advisory group to the New
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Zealand government, and I asked him about the kiwi's experience
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: and their new approach.
• 36:58
  Speaker 19: They'd we had a very similar situation when we go
• 37:01
  Speaker 19: back to a few years. In particular, under the previous government,
• 37:06
  Speaker 19: New Zealand experienced a rapid deterioration of law and order.
• 37:11
  Speaker 19: In fact, it more than double for two long successive governments,
• 37:16
  Speaker 19: and New Zealand have let the problem go out of hands.
• 37:19
  Speaker 19: The biggest challenge that we faced in New Zealand was
• 37:23
  Speaker 19: a perception by criminals that they're untouchable, that there are
• 37:27
  Speaker 19: no consequences for their actions, that police won't respond, that
• 37:32
  Speaker 19: even if police respond, the courts will let them go easily.
• 37:36
  Speaker 19: So this sense of impurity was harming us. All that
• 37:40
  Speaker 19: needed to stop.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Tell us about the success you've had.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Tell us about the sorts of crimes we're talking about,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: and the sorts of offenders were talking about, and how
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: the numbers have changed.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: There were in five hundred.
• 37:53
  Speaker 19: And fifty one percent increase in the ram rates, the
• 37:56
  Speaker 19: retail crime was double, There was a thirty three percent
• 37:59
  Speaker 19: increasing environed crime. And now we are not hitting those
• 38:03
  Speaker 19: kind of ramelates anymore. Of course, there's a shoplifting is
• 38:09
  Speaker 19: one of the big issues that we still have that
• 38:11
  Speaker 19: we still have to we're dealing with it. But on
• 38:15
  Speaker 19: the other side, the violent crime has decreased. Even the
• 38:19
  Speaker 19: local police, they are very appreciative of the work that
• 38:23
  Speaker 19: we have done and bringing or creating this kind of
• 38:26
  Speaker 19: zero probance approach to detail crime where the offenders must
• 38:30
  Speaker 19: know there are real consequences.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Now, zero tolerance is a familiar theory, a familiar slogan,
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: a familiar phrase if you like too many people. Most famously,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: of course, it was applied in New York City and
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: turn things around. So what if you had to do
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: in New Zealand to apply zero tolerance?
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Did you need more police.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Or was it just about another a new attitude from
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: the police. Did you need to change the laws for
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: the courts or did you just need a new attitude
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: in the courts?
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: A few things.
• 39:00
  Speaker 19: First of all is what changed in New Zealand was
• 39:03
  Speaker 19: the political will to get a serious votlow and order.
• 39:07
  Speaker 19: So the New Zealand government has announced a number of
• 39:10
  Speaker 19: measures which are recommended by our group. Instant finds tougher
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  Speaker 19: penalties for shoplifting and also for the young offenders. You know,
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  Speaker 19: there have been quite a few initiatives that we have
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  Speaker 19: taken here in New Zealand. For example, the military style
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  Speaker 19: boot camps and then the gang patches are banned in
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  Speaker 19: New Zealand by the new government. You know, the three
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  Speaker 19: strack law is back, antisocial behavior move on orders for police,
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  Speaker 19: and also the you know broken window approach were no
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  Speaker 19: crime is a small crime. We need to catch them
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  Speaker 19: young before they take roots.
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  Speaker 1: Look, I demain what you're doing at all. I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to diminish it at all.
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  Speaker 2: I congratulate you on it, but I say, none of
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  Speaker 2: this is surprising, right, none of this This is stuff
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  Speaker 2: that we don't talk about. That is, you've got to
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  Speaker 2: increase your policing effort. You've got to have a zero
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: tolerance approach to crime. You've got to get rid of
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: the soft on crime approach. And if courts aren't imposing
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  Speaker 2: strong enough penalties, you've got to somehow, somehow have a
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  Speaker 2: legal framework to make sure the courts do impose tough penalties.
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  Speaker 1: And it works.
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  Speaker 2: It's working in your country as we speak. My final
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  Speaker 2: question then to you, Sonny, is has any Australian authority
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  Speaker 2: been a government or a political authority or a policing
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  Speaker 2: authority in any state of Australia come to you and
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  Speaker 2: ask you for details of what you've put in place,
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  Speaker 2: your experience and how it's worked.
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  Speaker 19: Not yet, but people love to hear from them. If
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  Speaker 19: they approach our government, we would be happy to look
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  Speaker 19: into it.
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  Speaker 1: As I said, Chris, police.
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  Speaker 19: Has started cracking down on offending like anything. They have
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  Speaker 19: gone back to the model of basics, you know and
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  Speaker 19: set only we have changing the narrative. Narrative. There's a
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  Speaker 19: zeta problems.
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  Speaker 1: Sony Calshaw. Thanks so much for sharing your experience.
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  Speaker 19: Thank you very much for having me and much appreciated.
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  Speaker 2: How about that the kiwis showing us how it's been done,
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  Speaker 2: but no one's called them, no one's checking with them.
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  Speaker 1: I would suggest that in Victoria, coins.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: And around the country they might want to ask the
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  Speaker 2: kiwi's how they've done it and see if we can't
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  Speaker 2: learn something. Just by the way, of course, the new
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  Speaker 2: police commissioner in Victoria is a former police commissioner of
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: New Zealand. His name is Mike Bush. You might think
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: that's an encouraging sign. Although he was kind of commissioner
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: when things were going south. He hasn't been around the
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: last few years when things have been improving. We've got
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: to take a break. On the other side'll catch up
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: with Gematine Uni and carolind Us. So one of the
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: things we'll talk about is exactly how much these pro
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Palestinian protests are costing tax payers. Let's get into the
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: powder now with Gematon Juni here on the desk GT Communications.
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  Speaker 1: You're refreshed from a quick holiday Hollingwood win Thursday week.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Thursday week, You're me head to head.
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  Speaker 2: Don't worry, laid the grudge mat No, I'll be there,
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: don't worry about that. Caroline de Rosso joins us from
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Perth as well. Great to talk to you, Caroline. I'll
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: get your thoughts first. You know, I've been pretty upset
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: over the weekend I talked about at the top of
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: the program. We got people still marching in this country.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: They're wearing t shirts with Jaga Simoa's face on it.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: They're chancing into fata. In other words, they're changing for
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: a terrorist uprising. And we have politicians a Prime minister
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: sitting back and saying this is allay, this is fine,
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  Speaker 2: this is peaceful, and.
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  Speaker 8: The taxpayer is picking up the bill. Chris, it's actually ridiculous.
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  Speaker 8: And the thing is we do talk about peaceful protest,
• 42:55
  Speaker 8: but that sort of carry ons just not peaceful. And
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  Speaker 8: I think you for the broader community if when you
• 43:03
  Speaker 8: talk about the pub test, right, Chris, I don't think
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  Speaker 8: something like, you know, a portrait of the Ayatola or
• 43:09
  Speaker 8: shirts with the AAR Cinema that really passes the pub test.
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  Speaker 3: The one thing that I did think was.
• 43:14
  Speaker 8: Notable, perhaps let's call it, from the weekend, was that
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  Speaker 8: Grace Tame got in amongst all of this, and you know,
• 43:22
  Speaker 8: she wanted to know if they were ready to resist.
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  Speaker 8: And unfortunately, Chris, we saw a really terrible example of
• 43:29
  Speaker 8: resistance on October seven, which included the mass rape and
• 43:34
  Speaker 8: murder of women. So for someone who was spent, you know,
• 43:38
  Speaker 8: a large part of their public profile in sexual assault advocacy,
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  Speaker 8: I thought that that was pretty bloody.
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  Speaker 2: Paul, Yeah, top point, top point. Grace Tame has got
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: to think about the use of sexual violence on October
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: the seventh and these sorts of attacks.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: But you know, Gemmers, it's despairing.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: We just had the headline there, this is costing taxpayers
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  Speaker 2: millions of dollars for these events.
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  Speaker 1: To be policed.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Not that the police ever arrest anyone for waving a
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Hummas flag or lionizing Jaga, simwha. And look at that
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: is a problem, and the disruption to the cities is
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: an ongoing problem.
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  Speaker 1: But that's not the big issue. The big issue here is.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: That no one's calling for the release of the hostages,
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: no one's denouncing Hummas.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: They're all actually cheering the terrorist mantras.
• 44:24
  Speaker 9: There's almost a criminal level of ignorance here. And I'm
• 44:29
  Speaker 9: not talking about disagreeing on political positions. I'm talking about
• 44:33
  Speaker 9: the criminal level of ignorance around. Forget recent history, but
• 44:39
  Speaker 9: history around the creation of the State of Israel. History
• 44:42
  Speaker 9: around I mean read Allen How's Magnificent Peace from the
• 44:46
  Speaker 9: Weekend Australian about the history of Hamasen and the simple
• 44:51
  Speaker 9: fact of the matter is that there is no divorcing
• 44:55
  Speaker 9: the ideology of these groups with the eradication of the
• 44:59
  Speaker 9: State of Israel. And I would be willing to wager
• 45:03
  Speaker 9: that ninety five percent of the simpletons marching through Australian
• 45:06
  Speaker 9: streets at the moment couldn't find Ramala on a map.
• 45:10
  Speaker 9: They wouldn't know kind units from Kazakhstan. They are unfortunately
• 45:15
  Speaker 9: not the best of this country. And as you and
• 45:17
  Speaker 9: I have discussed many times, my concern going forward is
• 45:21
  Speaker 9: what will the tipping point be and what will it
• 45:23
  Speaker 9: look like? And I fear for that, genuinely fear for that.
• 45:27
  Speaker 9: We have a lack of leadership in this country on
• 45:30
  Speaker 9: this and many issues.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: But this in particular.
• 45:33
  Speaker 9: I would like to respectfully, genuinely, respectfully ask the Prime
• 45:36
  Speaker 9: Minister and the Home Affairs Minister where do they think
• 45:39
  Speaker 9: this is leading?
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Yep?
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: And how do they think Australian Jewish people can live
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: here when they're weekly marches supporting terrorists.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: I saw a flag.
• 45:52
  Speaker 9: I think it was the Brisbane March. As you said,
• 45:54
  Speaker 9: I've been away on the weekend, but I did see
• 45:56
  Speaker 9: coverage of a flag on the Brisbane March that had
• 45:59
  Speaker 9: written in Arabic that God was a genocideal so and
• 46:03
  Speaker 9: so I mean, like I'm a Christian, that is deeply
• 46:05
  Speaker 9: offensive to me. Nobody cares about that.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: No, No, it's a shocking situation. I mentioned in my editorial,
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: of course, that Anthony Albanesi has been speaking to the
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Palestinian Authority leader mahmuld A Bus, a man who supports
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: the paying of terrorists now, but says if everything goes
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: well with Albo and his mates, Q Starmer and the.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Like, that they'll stop doing that. But in the meantime, Anthony.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Alberanesi still hasn't been able to get a face to
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: face meeting with the leader of the free world, and
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: he was asked about that today.
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: Look, we'll have meetings with President Trump a number of
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: events over the coming months. We're about to enter summit season,
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: and I'll look forward to discussions continuing face to face
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: as they have been constructive when I've had discussions with
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: President Trump up to now.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: It's a good thing.
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: There a range of ministers meeting with their counterparts. That's
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: a good thing.
• 47:00
  Speaker 6: The confidence.
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: I refer to my previous five three hundred and twenty
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: four answers to that same question.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Oh Caroline, Caroline, he's getting tetchy there. But this is
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: the bloke you can meet with Gigiping of the drop
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: of a hat. He likes to have a chat with
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: the Mahmu the bus, but can't get a meeting with
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: with Donald Trump.
• 47:23
  Speaker 8: It's hilarious. And the fact that you have to be
• 47:25
  Speaker 8: asked that same question that many times it sticks out
• 47:29
  Speaker 8: like the proverbial though, doesn't it Chris. And the simple
• 47:32
  Speaker 8: fact of the matter is plenty of other people, plenty
• 47:34
  Speaker 8: of other world leaders have had a meeting with Trump.
• 47:37
  Speaker 8: Our mining execs were over there last week. Great photo
• 47:41
  Speaker 8: from in the Oval Office.
• 47:42
  Speaker 16: So they managed to make.
• 47:44
  Speaker 8: It onto an aeroplane to go and see Trump. And
• 47:47
  Speaker 8: either Albo can't arrange the meeting or is too much
• 47:50
  Speaker 8: of a woosh to go, because I would, really I
• 47:53
  Speaker 8: would love to be a fly on the wall when
• 47:55
  Speaker 8: the conversation, you know, maybe there's the economic conversation, but
• 47:59
  Speaker 8: then the conversation does turn to the recognition of a
• 48:02
  Speaker 8: Palestinian state, and somehow I don't think it'd be pretty.
• 48:05
  Speaker 8: We all know that Albo has got a glass jaw,
• 48:07
  Speaker 8: so I think he'd be avoiding it as well.
• 48:10
  Speaker 9: Ten seconds, I don't think the Prime Minister is a leader, unfortunately,
• 48:14
  Speaker 9: and that just demonstrates it. He's so thin skinned, he's
• 48:17
  Speaker 9: got no answers, and he hits up Australians with a
• 48:20
  Speaker 9: word salad that says absolutely nothing, and it is such
• 48:22
  Speaker 9: a great shame.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: We know that Benjamin that Yahoo thinks he's a week leader.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: I think Donald.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Trump might think the same. I think that's what we're seeing.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Jemma and Caroline. We'll catch you
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: next week.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: We're right out of time now. Thanks for watching.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: I'll be back tomorrow night at five o'clock, but up
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: next to Steve Price with Qredlin