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The Kenny Report | 3 December · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Lone from the skying New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report. Thanks for joining me on
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  Speaker 2: the Kenny Report tonight.
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  Speaker 3: Government spending continues to expand across the country and most
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  Speaker 3: of the jobs growth comes in government funded areas. That's
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  Speaker 3: a problem. I'll look at how artificial intelligence has got
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  Speaker 3: students cheating their way through university. Joe Biden is off
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  Speaker 3: to Africa, while Donald Trump demands the release of Hummas
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  Speaker 3: hostages across to Christian Tate and we live rent free
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  Speaker 3: in the head of outgoing media. Watch host Paul Barry
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  Speaker 3: in his final show, I'll discuss that with Tim Blair,
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  Speaker 3: also Suzi O'Brien and Stephen Senna Tiempo on banks charging us.
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  Speaker 2: To get at our own cash, Let's get cracking.
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  Speaker 3: It's going to be a pretty tough Christmas for a
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  Speaker 3: lot of Australians juggling inflated mortgage repayments with obscene electricity
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  Speaker 3: bills during a cost of living crisis. As I showed
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  Speaker 3: you last night, the federal government's mismanagement of the budget
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  Speaker 3: isn't going to help. Its rampant spending has fueled inflation
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  Speaker 3: and in the coming years it'll keep the budget deep
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  Speaker 3: in deficit.
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  Speaker 2: Adding to our national debt and making it harder to
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  Speaker 2: lower taxes.
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  Speaker 3: New figures from the Australian Bureau of Statistic underline the
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  Speaker 3: point today roping in the state governments as well to
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  Speaker 3: show that they're spending, including on energy rebates and government handouts.
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  Speaker 3: The overall total government spending has sowed by three percent
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  Speaker 3: just in the last quarter. Government spending at state and
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  Speaker 3: federal levels continues to rise. Big government is on the march,
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  Speaker 3: and we'll all pay for it, of course, but I
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  Speaker 3: fear we'll pay big time with a heavy reckoning two
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  Speaker 3: in the future.
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  Speaker 2: I want to show you.
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  Speaker 3: A graph about employment growth that shows what sort of
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  Speaker 3: a country we're becoming, where the jobs are being created,
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  Speaker 3: just where they're being created around this country. You can
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  Speaker 3: see here that the biggest growth in jobs for the
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  Speaker 3: year to August was in health care and social assistance,
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  Speaker 3: an increase of more than eighty six thousand jobs, and
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  Speaker 3: the next biggest increase with an extra forty nine thousand jobs,
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  Speaker 3: was public administration and safety, And then just behind that,
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  Speaker 3: also pushing close to fifty thousand new jobs, was education
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  Speaker 3: and training. Now that's the top three totally more than
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  Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty thousand new jobs. And what do
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  Speaker 3: they all have in common. They're all in sectors dominated
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  Speaker 3: by the public sector. This is job's growth driven by
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  Speaker 3: the massive out of control and over budget spending of
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  Speaker 3: the NDIS and driven by the alban easy labor government's
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  Speaker 3: dramatic expansion of the federal public service by almost thirty
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  Speaker 3: thousand places. These are all the extra jobs that we
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  Speaker 3: all have to pay for. Yeah, the jobs that we
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  Speaker 3: have to pay for out of our taxes. Then they're
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  Speaker 3: growing like topsy. They're all important jobs, of course, well.
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  Speaker 2: Many of them.
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  Speaker 3: But if we go back to that graph, you see
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  Speaker 3: that it took to the fourth highest growth sector accommodation
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  Speaker 3: and hospitality, with an extra thirty four thousand jobs, before
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  Speaker 3: we saw jobs growth in a sector dominated by private enterprise.
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  Speaker 2: That's a worry.
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  Speaker 3: The job's growth in the productive sectors is being far
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  Speaker 3: outweighed by the job's growth in the sectors that taxpayers have.
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  Speaker 2: To pay for.
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  Speaker 3: You see there's a bit of jobs growth in construction
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  Speaker 3: thirteen thousand jobs, and an extra six thousand jobs each
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  Speaker 3: in retail and agriculture. But down in negative territory losing
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  Speaker 3: thousands of jobs are mining and manufacturing.
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  Speaker 2: This is a warning sign to the nation.
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  Speaker 3: We need jobs growth in the productive sectors so we
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  Speaker 3: can generate wealth and pay for the services we need.
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  Speaker 3: If the government funded jobs continue to outstrip the growth
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  Speaker 3: in the rest of the economy, well quite.
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  Speaker 2: Simply will go bust.
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  Speaker 3: We are an unhealthy and bloated economy right now, and
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  Speaker 3: we need to get ourselves match fit and quick. Let
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  Speaker 3: me give you another example in my ongoing series aimed
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  Speaker 3: at exposing hypocrisy in all its forms. How about the
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  Speaker 3: Democrats when it comes to the low life one time
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  Speaker 3: crack addict son of President Joe Biden, Hunter Biden, and
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  Speaker 3: the way he's been pardoned. This comes after years of
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  Speaker 3: many Democrats pursuing Donald Trump on a range of civil
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  Speaker 3: and criminal actions and constantly mouthing the refrain that nobody
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  Speaker 3: is above the law, nobody except President Biden's family. As
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  Speaker 3: it turns out, have a look at this social mediu up.
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  Speaker 4: No one is above the law, No one is above
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  Speaker 4: the law.
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  Speaker 5: Nobody is above the law.
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  Speaker 2: No one is above the law. No one is above
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  Speaker 2: the law.
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  Speaker 6: Nobody is above the law. No one is above the law.
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  Speaker 6: No one is above the law. No one is above
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  Speaker 6: the law.
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  Speaker 7: No one is above the law.
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  Speaker 6: No one is above the law.
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  Speaker 7: No one is above the law.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, perfect use of that curb your enthusiasm music. Larry
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  Speaker 3: David would be pleased withn't he hunter? Biden walks and
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  Speaker 3: he makes all of those Democrats look either complicit or stupid.
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  Speaker 3: I'll have more on Trump and Biden later with Kristen Tate.
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  Speaker 3: Let's talk about Donald Trump now and also talk about
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  Speaker 3: hope and strength in global affairs. But let's start by
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  Speaker 3: noting that it's now four hundred and twenty three days
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  Speaker 3: since two hundred and fifty people were taken hostage by
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  Speaker 3: Hummas on their murderous raid into southern Israel. One hostage
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  Speaker 3: who was thought to be still alive was twenty one
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  Speaker 3: year old American Israeli Omer Neutra, who was serving with
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  Speaker 3: the Israeli Defense Force.
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  Speaker 2: His family and friends.
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  Speaker 3: Had held out hope for over a year, of course,
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  Speaker 3: but the IDF has now revealed it believes he was
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  Speaker 3: killed on October the seventh in the original terrorist invasion,
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  Speaker 3: with his body taken back to Gaza as a trophy.
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  Speaker 3: Also yesterday, a video was released by Hummas showing another
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  Speaker 3: hostage alive again. He's an American Israeli twenty year old
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  Speaker 3: Eden Alexander. Just over one hundred hostages have been released
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  Speaker 3: in various deals, A handful have been freed in rescue missions,
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  Speaker 3: three were killed accidentally by IDF soldiers, and it's believed
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  Speaker 3: close to one hundred are still being held, with as
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  Speaker 3: many as two thirds of them alive. At least thirty
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  Speaker 3: seven hostages have been killed.
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  Speaker 2: Included in those.
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  Speaker 3: Unaccounted for is the Beebis family mother Sherri, whose parents
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  Speaker 3: were murdered on October the seventh. Her husband Yarden, was
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  Speaker 3: taken hostage too, and Sheery was taken with her two
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  Speaker 3: little boys, Kafir, just nine months old at the time,
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  Speaker 3: and his big brother, four year old Ariel. Are they alive,
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  Speaker 3: are they dead? Where they tortured? Are they together still
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  Speaker 3: or separated?
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  Speaker 2: Who knows?
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  Speaker 5: What?
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  Speaker 2: Evil?
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  Speaker 3: This is the appalling ongoing horror of the Hummas terrorist atrocities,
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  Speaker 3: and regular viewers will know that I put this badge
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  Speaker 3: on air on the sixth month anniversary of the taking
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  Speaker 3: of the hostages, just my little symbol that will not
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  Speaker 3: forget them, that the world will not forget the hostages
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  Speaker 3: and that they must be returned. But sadly for most
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  Speaker 3: of the past year or so, it seemed like the
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  Speaker 3: world has forgotten them. Politicians and advocates who should have
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  Speaker 3: started every comment on the war with a demand for
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  Speaker 3: the hostages to be returned have instead slammed Israel and
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  Speaker 3: called for ceasefires. I've been disgusted and frustrated by this
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  Speaker 3: all along, as you know, and many of you have
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  Speaker 3: been too, you've told me. But now there is new hope.
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  Speaker 3: There is hope because the man who will be sworn
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  Speaker 3: in again as president of the United States on January
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  Speaker 3: the twentieth next year, has brought into this issue on
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  Speaker 3: social media, and Donald Trump has been clear and strong,
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  Speaker 3: and his priority is firmly with the hostages. Everybody is
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  Speaker 3: talking about the hostages who are being held so violently, inhumanely,
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  Speaker 3: and against the will of the entire world in the
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  Speaker 3: Middle East, Trump posted, but it's all talk and no action.
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  Speaker 3: He said, Let this truth serve to represent that if
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  Speaker 3: the hostages are not released prior to him being sworn in,
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  Speaker 3: there will be all held to pay in the Middle East,
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  Speaker 3: and for those in charge who perpetrated these atrocities against humanity,
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  Speaker 3: Trump said, those responsible will be hit harder than anybody
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  Speaker 3: has been hit in the long and storied history of
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  Speaker 3: the United States. Release the hostages. Now, this is extremely
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  Speaker 3: unusual diplomacy, but it is typical Trump.
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  Speaker 2: And who knows what will happen.
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  Speaker 3: But this is the right focus, this is the right priority,
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  Speaker 3: and it is the approach the whole world should have
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  Speaker 3: been adopting since October the seventh last year, instead of
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  Speaker 3: trying to appease terrorists and demonize Israel. God bless those hostages,
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  Speaker 3: and let's hope they are freed now to our old
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  Speaker 3: friends at the ABC who get to indulge their ideological
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  Speaker 3: and political preferences at our expense. Yeah, they're required under law,
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  Speaker 3: of course, to be objective, but they figure they can
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  Speaker 3: take one point one billion dollars of taxpayers money to
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  Speaker 3: provide their own green left view of the world. One
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  Speaker 3: of the worst offenders has been Paul Barry, the host
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  Speaker 3: of Media Watch for the past decade or so, a
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  Speaker 3: program that spends millions and employs about a dozen people
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  Speaker 3: to produce this fifteen minutes of television each week, supposedly
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  Speaker 3: policing media behavior, but mainly pushing Paul Barry's hobby horses
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  Speaker 3: of climate hysteria, conservative and obsessing over that great satan
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  Speaker 3: to the left news Corp. Barry presented his final show
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  Speaker 3: last night, and I've got to say I was toughed
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  Speaker 3: to be told this morning that I actually got to
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  Speaker 3: open his retirement special tonight.
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  Speaker 8: I'm going to look back on that time, which I
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  Speaker 8: have to say has been a pleasure, a privilege and
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  Speaker 8: a lot of fun and of course everyone has loved it.
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  Speaker 3: Now the ABC and Media watch, Yes, I know that
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  Speaker 3: lefty propaganda outfit again.
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  Speaker 2: How good was that? Taking my view to the heart
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  Speaker 2: of the beast.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, most of the program was more green left propaganda.
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  Speaker 2: Why change the habits of a lifetime?
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  Speaker 3: Barry did have a few of his usual cheap shots
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  Speaker 3: at some low brow media.
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  Speaker 8: Sites like The Daily Mail, which launched in Australia ten
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  Speaker 8: years ago, and news dot com dot Au are full
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  Speaker 8: of this sort of clickbait, often ripped straight from social
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  Speaker 8: media or from rival outlets.
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  Speaker 9: Was like cancer stricken Kates, moving words.
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  Speaker 8: Revealed by an expert lip reader.
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  Speaker 9: And mugo Robbie shows off her midriff in a crop top.
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  Speaker 3: Well it's not everyone's cup of tea, of course, but
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  Speaker 3: an't Barry and the ABC just finding a way to
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  Speaker 3: cash in on the same celebrity interest. They feign moral superiority,
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  Speaker 3: but they enjoy the same clickbait rewards. Barry also loves
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  Speaker 3: to attack commercial dealings by commercial media, which is something
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  Speaker 3: he never had to worry about on his full time,
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  Speaker 3: taxpayer funded salary for fifteen minutes of TV a week.
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  Speaker 3: I guess Barry has always exhibited a fixation with News Corp,
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  Speaker 3: which is weird because I don't know why any ABC
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  Speaker 3: viewers would care so much about it. And last night
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  Speaker 3: he accused Sky News presenters of demonizing asylum seekers and refugees,
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  Speaker 3: which is just an ugly and untruthful slur. Then he
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  Speaker 3: went on also to attack us over his other preoccupation.
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  Speaker 8: And denying science with a relentless campaign to hold back
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  Speaker 8: action on climate change, which in my view is the
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  Speaker 8: meeta's worst crime during my time in the job, and
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  Speaker 8: which reached a climax joined the terrible bush flires of
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  Speaker 8: twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 2: So let me deal with the issue head on.
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  Speaker 4: Does climate change cause these fires?
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  Speaker 10: No?
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  Speaker 11: So that's the key, the drought, And if the drought
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  Speaker 11: can't be blamed on climate change, you can't blame the
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  Speaker 11: fires on climate change, especially when so many are deliberately little.
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  Speaker 2: I'm surprised he didn't go back far enough to find
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  Speaker 2: me with hair. But there you go. That's Paul Barry.
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  Speaker 2: His real obsession has been climate change.
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  Speaker 3: He is a climate alarmist, I suppose many are at
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  Speaker 3: the ABC, and he's a renewable energy zealot, and no
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  Speaker 3: science or facts will sway him from any of this,
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  Speaker 3: making him a catastrophist on weather and a denier on energy.
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  Speaker 3: The twenty twenty fires cannot be blamed on global warming.
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  Speaker 3: They were not our worst fires on any measure. We've
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  Speaker 3: had worse, and in the future we will always face
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  Speaker 3: horrendous bushfires.
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  Speaker 2: That's the curse of this nation.
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  Speaker 3: We need to be smarter about making ourselves safe, controlling
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  Speaker 3: fuel loads and ensuring that houses are built in safe
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  Speaker 3: areas with sufficient clearance. This focused by people like Barry
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  Speaker 3: on climate only makes the problem worse because it pretends
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  Speaker 3: that electric vehicles in wealthy suburbs can actually reduce the
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  Speaker 3: threat of bushfires, which are so idiotic as to be risible.
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  Speaker 3: But this is the nonsense we get from the ABC.
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  Speaker 3: In this land of droughts and flooding rains. We're told
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  Speaker 3: that fiddling with renewables in Australia can change the global climate.
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  Speaker 3: Let me give you the facts, the science that is impossible.
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  Speaker 3: It cannot happen. Even the former Chief Scientists had made
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  Speaker 3: that clear. And people like Barry ignore science in favor
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  Speaker 3: of emotion and ideology. Anyway, Barry is off now and
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  Speaker 3: when you see his farewell, I'll show you his fon
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  Speaker 3: farewell at the end of the program.
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  Speaker 2: In just a moment.
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  Speaker 3: Have a look at how many people it takes to
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  Speaker 3: put a weekly fifteen minute program to weir at the ABC.
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  Speaker 8: That's it, Thanks for watching, Goodbye.
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  Speaker 2: For me and the team the ABC. Hey, it's not
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  Speaker 2: our ABC, it's not your ABC, it's their ABC. And
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  Speaker 2: don't they know it. And don't worry.
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  Speaker 3: They've appointed another lefty to front Media Watch next year.
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  Speaker 3: So we'll keep you up to date on all that,
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  Speaker 3: but don't expect anything to change. Let's bring in Zoe Mackenzie,
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  Speaker 3: now a Liberal MP who has served in the House
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  Speaker 3: of Representatives since May twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 2: Two, joining us live from Melbourne. Good to you, speak
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  Speaker 2: to you again, Zoe.
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  Speaker 3: I've got to talk to you about electricity prices because
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  Speaker 3: I don't know who's done the research on this. We've
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  Speaker 3: played so many times Labour's promise of reducing everyone's electricity
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  Speaker 3: bill by two hundred and seventy five dollars a year,
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  Speaker 3: but the Liberal campaigners and Peter Dutton have tracked it
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  Speaker 3: down to this day.
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  Speaker 2: Three years ago.
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  Speaker 3: Three years ago they promised to lower our electricity prices.
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  Speaker 2: How are they doing.
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  Speaker 3: Well?
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  Speaker 4: They promised a fundamental reset right of two hundred and
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  Speaker 4: seventy five dollars, not two hundred and eighty, not turn forty.
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  Speaker 4: They weren't having a stab in a dark They'd done
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  Speaker 4: their maths and they said it was going to be
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  Speaker 4: two hundred and seventy five dollars less each year. Not
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  Speaker 4: a handout. I guess it is now by quarters for
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  Speaker 4: one year only to get you through the election to
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  Speaker 4: the other side. No two hundred and seventy five dollars
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  Speaker 4: reset each year. And he said it ninety seven times. Chris,
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  Speaker 4: you could just sit on this show and say two
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  Speaker 4: hundred seventy five dollars less ninety seven times, and I
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  Speaker 4: reckon it would take half the show. And that's the
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  Speaker 4: message that the Australian people got, that they should expect
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  Speaker 4: a fundamental recalibration of their electricity bills and what we
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  Speaker 4: know now is they're paying one thousand dollars more a
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  Speaker 4: year on average. People open their electricity bills with trepidation.
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  Speaker 2: It is extraordinary.
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  Speaker 3: As you say, we're paying more now, one thousand dollars
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  Speaker 3: more than we would have been under their promise, which
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  Speaker 3: is just incredible. No wonder the Coalition and the Liberal
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  Speaker 3: Party cranking up ads on this.
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  Speaker 2: Here's Peter Dutton's version.
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  Speaker 12: Remember when Anthony Obernezi promised to cut your power bills
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  Speaker 12: by two hundred and seventy five dollars a year.
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  Speaker 2: That was three years ago to the day. And he
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  Speaker 2: didn't just promise at once.
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  Speaker 8: Two hundred and two hundred and two hundred and seventy
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  Speaker 8: five dollarss.
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  Speaker 12: Labour said it ninety seven times before the last election.
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  Speaker 2: But what's he delivered.
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  Speaker 12: Well, electricity prices are now up to one thousand dollars
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  Speaker 12: more than what Labor promised.
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  Speaker 2: Labour's renewables only policy.
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  Speaker 12: Is driving prices up and Australian households are paying the price.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's extraordinary stuff. It's going to hit home.
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  Speaker 3: I suppose the big challenge we know what the coalitions
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  Speaker 3: is a medium to long term plan is to get
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  Speaker 3: stability into the system with nuclear power, But how on
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  Speaker 3: Earth are you going to put downward pressure on prices
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  Speaker 3: in the near term, And.
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  Speaker 4: So it's all about supply. In the last month, I
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  Speaker 4: opened the Hastings generation plant which is on the Long
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  Speaker 4: Island Point Point xomobile site, and there they are burning
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  Speaker 4: ethane the justice to go into the air. Right, So
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  Speaker 4: now they burn it off and they turned it into electricity.
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  Speaker 4: It can power thirty five thousand homes. Right, that's half
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  Speaker 4: the peninsula in just this one tiny plant to use
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  Speaker 4: a guess that was otherwise burning off into the air.
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  Speaker 4: But no, no, no, no, no, Apparently that's evil because
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  Speaker 4: at the center of it is gas versus Another solution
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  Speaker 4: we've got down the road, which is the Flinder's Community Battery,
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  Speaker 4: which can power seventy homes. So seventy homes can be
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  Speaker 4: drawn down from that battery at one point in time.
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  Speaker 4: They're all important, they all need to be on the table.
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  Speaker 4: But we need to stop demonizing supply and use what
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  Speaker 4: we've got. We have some of the most bountiful energy
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  Speaker 4: resources where it's uranium or gas in this country, and
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  Speaker 4: yet we close our eyes to it and hope that
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  Speaker 4: the wind keeps blowing and the sun keep shining.
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  Speaker 10: Well.
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  Speaker 3: Gas is the obvious answer, because it might be a
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  Speaker 3: bit much to ask anyone to build a new coal
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  Speaker 3: fired POWERstation and that would take a long while. Anyway,
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  Speaker 3: there is plentiful gas in this country. It can ramp
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  Speaker 3: up and down to fit in with renewables. And of
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  Speaker 3: course it's relatively quick to build medium sized gas plants right.
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  Speaker 4: As you can see from the one that's in the
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  Speaker 4: Haystins Generation plant, all done by so locally. I only
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  Speaker 4: took to less than yet actually build once they finally
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  Speaker 4: got through all the approvals because of course everyone opposed
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  Speaker 4: it because it's fossil fuels. But they've got it up,
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: they've got it running, it's powering the peninsula.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: It's great, fantastic stuff. Thanks for joining us, Zoe, I
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: appreciate it, Zoe.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Mackenzie, their liberal MP for Flinders down there on the
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: Mornington Peninsula of Victoria. Let's just go to another topic now,
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: which is a fast one and are worrying one. It
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: stems from a column by Dr Mindy McLeod, a university
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: tutor and former lecturer Wanning about cheating and the rise
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: of artificial intelligence. She says cheating is now so rampant
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: that UNI degrees have become worthless. Dr McLeod explains it
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: isn't just a matter of using AI to generate ideas,
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: it's a matter of students telling AI to write a
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: paper on the very subject that can't be bothered to,
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: and she warns it's almost impossible to fail university students
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: these days.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Believe me, I've tried.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: Cash is still king and once you're selling degrees, you've
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: lost any kind of quality control.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Dr Mindy McLeod joins me live from Melbourne.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Mindy, that's such harsh words, but
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: they're so such such a clarion warning about our higher
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: education system.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: How deep? Firstly is the AI problem?
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: Oh, the AI problem is huge.
• 20:58
  Speaker 13: And I think what's really frustrating for people over the
• 21:02
  Speaker 13: last couple of years is it's just it's almost for
• 21:05
  Speaker 13: many of us the straw that's broken the camel's back,
• 21:08
  Speaker 13: because there has been this decline in quality, this massive
• 21:15
  Speaker 13: problem with all kinds of issues that have been worsening
• 21:19
  Speaker 13: for years and years. But now the whole issue of
• 21:22
  Speaker 13: you know, AI, chat, GPT and the other sort of
• 21:26
  Speaker 13: large language models. It's made things so much worse. And
• 21:31
  Speaker 13: what's frustrated so many of us within you know, these institutions,
• 21:36
  Speaker 13: is that most institutions are not really doing anything about it.
• 21:41
  Speaker 13: So there really seems to be very little kind of
• 21:44
  Speaker 13: response to this. Everyone is aware of what's going on,
• 21:49
  Speaker 13: but there seems to be very little attempt to deal
• 21:55
  Speaker 13: with it and sort of to find alternative ways of
• 21:58
  Speaker 13: assessing students or making them take ownership of their own work.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: How could you assess work the tend that up? How
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: do academic success work? Because there could be some students
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: who do all the work independently, there could be others
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: who outsource the whole project to AI. There will be
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: others maybe using a blend of the two. Is that
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: obvious too to you when you're reading essays or reading
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: assessments or is this an absolute mind field for those
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: doing the marketing?
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: It's an absolute mindfielder.
• 22:25
  Speaker 13: I mean, in many cases it is absolutely obvious.
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: It's really obvious who's used.
• 22:29
  Speaker 13: An AI generator to write their essay because at the
• 22:33
  Speaker 13: moment they're all writing to a prescribed model, and you know,
• 22:37
  Speaker 13: you can recognize what they're saying and the references are
• 22:40
  Speaker 13: all over the place. They're quite simply not good enough
• 22:42
  Speaker 13: to be doing the kind of things we're asking for them.
• 22:46
  Speaker 13: But because the quality of students has been declining for
• 22:50
  Speaker 13: so long, even these sort of degrade essays are better
• 22:56
  Speaker 13: than what a lot of the students could produce on
• 22:58
  Speaker 13: their own.
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: So that's the problem.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Wow, what a mess. I mean, you've only just begun
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: to grapple with this.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: The other issues is, you say, with the cash pressures
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: on universities overseas students and churning people.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Through this was already a problem.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: A lot of academics told me that dealing with students
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: with really poor language skills, so it's hard to communicate
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: with them and hard for them to complete their work. Apparently,
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: now a lot of students bipartising it bypassing any face
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: to face contact with tutors and lecturers because they can
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: just use AI generators to communicate, which which is obviously
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: going to just compound the problem and not help them
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: a great deal.
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: It's not helping anyone.
• 23:39
  Speaker 13: Yeah, and I think it's sort of given so many
• 23:41
  Speaker 13: people an excuse not to engage with their tutors, with
• 23:45
  Speaker 13: their lecturers, and with any of the content because they
• 23:48
  Speaker 13: can just use all kinds of artificial intelligence to create
• 23:55
  Speaker 13: the appearance of understanding, or create the appearance of having
• 24:00
  Speaker 13: some command of English or but it's just it's made
• 24:05
  Speaker 13: it really difficult for anyone who who believes in the
• 24:09
  Speaker 13: integrity of the university to have faith in this system
• 24:12
  Speaker 13: any longer.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Mendy, thanks so much for bringing it to our attention.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: It's a brave thing and important thinking. My guess is
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: most academics would agree wholeheartedly with you, but few of
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: them will be brave enough to come out and talk
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: about it publicly. We'll see. We'll check in with you
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: later and see what sort of feedback you've got. But
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: thanks so much for joining us.
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: Thanks very much, thanks for having me on.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: Dr Mindy Cloud there, university tutor out of Melbourne. That
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: is a massive problem, isn't it, And that gets to
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: the heart of the future of this country and higher education.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: We'll follow that up with others because that is absolutely
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: just a mess. It's a mess. It's a new world
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: dealing with AI and the unis need to get on
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: top of it quick smart Now we're going to have
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: a breakdown on the other side. We'll catch up with
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: Tim Blair. We'll talk about that farewell message for Paul Barry,
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: who's retired.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: From a media watch.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Let's catch up with Tim Blair from the Daily Telegraph
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: joining us from Victoria's Wimer. Are good to talk to
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: you again, mate, I know you and I and Mark
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: Nicholson touched on this last week when the chair of
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: the ABC, Kim Williams, had to go at Joe Rogan,
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: who's of course world famous for his Joe Rogan Experience podcast,
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: who is probably the most prolific podcaster in the world,
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: or certainly the best known. And well, here's a little
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: snippet of what Kim Williams had to say.
• 25:31
  Speaker 14: I think people like mister Rogan pray on people's vulnerabilities.
• 25:37
  Speaker 14: They pray on fear, they pray on anxiety, they pray
• 25:44
  Speaker 14: on all of the elements that contribute to uncertainty in society.
• 25:50
  Speaker 14: I personally find it deeply repulsive.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: It's extraordinary stuff, isn't it, Tim. Heuse your column on
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: this was just so excellent, Smack it out the park.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: He's just these strong opinions about something that he doesn't
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: listen to.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like when he was asked a question by an
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: ABC reporter and what his opinion was of Joe Rogan.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: He said, well, I'm not really the guy who asked,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: don't know much about it, but I hate him and
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: he's terrible and evil. He called him repulsive and even
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: worth malevolent. Incredible things to say, but it was almost
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: also interesting to me that his description of his his
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: guests at what Joe Rogan did it tallied very closely
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: with what four Corners has been doing for decades, praying
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: on insecurities, you know, undermining certainties, raising fears upon us
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: every week. Mate, Come on, I approve your.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Act as you said.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: You know, if you want fear, then look at these
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: ABC programs. It's the scary music and all the undertones
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: look out, you know, and Lord knows you're checking on
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: any of the they're reporting on climate change and you
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: just want to dig a bunker and hunker.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: It is extraordary.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: Because the thing about podcasts what I find extraordinary about them,
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: and I'm not a podcast listener. We talk about how
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: everything in the social media agent with younger people as
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: short attention span, that quick tweet, a quick hit that
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: they are sitting down and watching television news is.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Not is far too time consuming for them these days.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: Yet these podcasts go for hours, and you might have
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: someone who will Man who's now being an elected president,
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: and the bloke who's been elected vice president, and countless
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: others experts in their field in long conversation.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: This was an art form we thought that was lost.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, we keep seeing this where at the same time
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: we're concerned about new technology raising things and causing serious issues.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: In your previous interview about AI concerns very valid, but
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: we keep seeing the thing where old qualities are revived
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: or rejuvenated by new tech. And twenty thirty years when
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: blogging began, suddenly there were people using very long form
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: source material in their articles and links to source material
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: of great length and simply wasn't possible with the existing
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: newsprint technology or even the sort of early versions of
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: the Internet. And now we've got, as you described, venues
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: for multiple hours of discussion on things. And it's not
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: as Williams and others who misdescribe or misanalyze Joe Rogan.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: It's not all shock jockery when you can't sustain that
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: for three hours. It's in depth and it's probing, and
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: it's oftentimes very fascinating.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Well, I note that Kim Williams is a composer and
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: I've not.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Listened to his music. Therefore I wouldn't offer an opinion
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: on it. I'm not going to say his music is
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: rubbish if I haven't listened to it.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: On this theme, though, it filled us through to another
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: aspect of the ABC, I want to talk about Paul
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: Barry leaving Media Watch, and he mentioned last night that
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: his last little farewell this week will be on social media,
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: where he's been doing a weekly media Byte segment, which
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: is their version of doing you know, he thinks funny,
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: lively short pieces for social media.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Here's what he said about it last night.
• 29:16
  Speaker 8: And we'll leave you with a taste of our final
• 29:17
  Speaker 8: final show, the Best of Media Bites, all four hundred
• 29:21
  Speaker 8: and thirteen episodes, WHI shall be out on social media
• 29:24
  Speaker 8: later this week. Bites will not be back next year,
• 29:27
  Speaker 8: which is sad because making them was a lot of fun.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Sorry, mate, you've got to go.
• 29:34
  Speaker 8: It's the cuts, you see, nothing personal.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Come on if you go out, yeah, well there you go.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Is that really cracking it with the hip crowd.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: I'd love to know. I'd love to know the budget
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: for that that would be fascinating, wouldn't It might have
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: to run a little FOI on that, because seriously, he
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: was bad enough as a straight presenter, but at least
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: he had some gravitas, you know. But then when he
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: tried to do the hello kids routine, you know, hello
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: fellow children as the great scene from thirty Rock many
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: years ago. Summarize that sort of thing. Yeah, yeah, he
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: didn't make it rock.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: I'll dig that out for you.
• 30:10
  Speaker 14: First.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: Let's have a look at this is what the ABC
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: or they say about media whites. There's been four hundred
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: and thirteen editions. They're released on Facebook and X and
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: IV and YouTube. That's been happening since twenty seventeen, and
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: it's a way for the program to engage with younger
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: audience and tackle additional issues. So it's all about so
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: this is where Paul Barry and the ABC get to
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: be hip and younger, and had appealed to that social
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: media audience, which, as you say, was brilliantly referenced in
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: terms of policing on thirty Rock.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Here's the clip.
• 30:45
  Speaker 15: I was part of a special task for so very
• 30:47
  Speaker 15: young looking cops who went filtrated high schools.
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: How do you do fellow kids.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: What So that's Paul Barry on.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: X ty to conect with the kids. I mean, you know,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: just once you pass a certain age, and you and
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: I have, we've reached that stage, Chris. You've got to
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: learn to stay in your lane. And it's sort of
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: the slow moving one that doesn't try to doesn't try
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: to get too jazzy with things, that's for sure.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, A good tip to start off with is don't
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: wear your cap backwards.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: When you're our age. I just want to show you
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: a clip of the great.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: Nigel Ferrage on something that's got nothing to do much
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: with politics. I want to see whether you agree with
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: him or not.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: So I'm in a smart hotel in London. I've got
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: a cup of coffee. I want some milk. Let's have
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: a look.
• 31:35
  Speaker 9: We've got semi skim that don't like that oat milk?
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: What on earth that one is?
• 31:39
  Speaker 14: At home?
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Almond milk?
• 31:41
  Speaker 9: All I want is proper bloody milk, not left wing options.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Proper milk. What's wrong with me asking for that? Surely
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: there'll be some proper milk in the wimm.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. In fact, I've noticed her that this might might
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: be fairly widespread that there's a growing market for old
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: fashioned full cream milk.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Radical.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe there's a bit of a backlash happening here,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: and there's a few daries that are specializing this, and yeah,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: I can personally say it's good.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: Well, I was talking to one of the younger producers
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: here today and she was up in Byron and asked
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: for milk, and they went through all the options and ends.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: I just want milk normal and the and the person
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: serving in the cafe said, what.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: From a cow? That's the stuff.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: Will catch up with you later in the week, Tim
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: Blair that you can read his stuff in the Daily Telegraph. Now,
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: after the break, we're going to talk about these growing
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: criticisms in the US over the pardoning of Hunter Biden.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: A lot of claims that Jill Biden was the power
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: behind that decision.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Kristen Tate will join me.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: I'll cross to the US in a moment and catch
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: up on the fallout from Joe Biden's decision to pardon
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: his son Hunter. The first take a look at seeing
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: and explaining who was behind the move.
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: Clearly there was pressure inside the family. We were told
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: really in recent weeks that doctor Jill Biden. First, Lady
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: Jill Biden was very supportive of the President doing something
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: like this. The president was not sure, but we clearly
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: have seen now he has come to this decision to
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: pardon his son Hunter.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: So was Jill Biden pulling the strings? I put it
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: to Kristen.
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: Tight, Well, yes, it does.
• 33:23
  Speaker 10: It seems that Jill Biden has been in control for
• 33:26
  Speaker 10: quite some time now. I mean, we have a president
• 33:28
  Speaker 10: of the United States who is basically a vegetable at
• 33:32
  Speaker 10: this point and has been so for a number of years,
• 33:35
  Speaker 10: and she has been behind the scenes wielding real power.
• 33:39
  Speaker 10: So is it surprising that she may have had something
• 33:42
  Speaker 10: to do with this pardon? Absolutely not at all.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think you're right.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: Obviously a decision like this, the family's going to be involved.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Jill Biden's going to be involved.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: But especially as you say, somebody's been telling what Joe
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: Biden telling Joe Biden what to do for every day
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: of the past few years, and I think his wife
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: is number one in the frame for a lot of that.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: This is what she had to say she was asked.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: About Hunter Biden's pardoning, and you can just make out
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: what she has to say above. The din of the
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: Christmas cheer. Yeah, of course she supports the pardoning of
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: her son. Now Donald Trump has reacted to this as
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: well on the social media. He says, does the pardon
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: given by Joe to Hunter include the January the sixth hostages?
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: He calls them, who have now been imprisoned for years.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: And this is the important bit. I think he says,
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: this is an abuse of justice and a miscarriage of justice.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: He's gone in hard as ever.
• 34:46
  Speaker 10: Kristen, Yes, but it's also just not particularly surprising. We've
• 34:52
  Speaker 10: seen during the entire Joe Biden administration that this is
• 34:56
  Speaker 10: a two tiered justice system, and that has really opened
• 34:59
  Speaker 10: a lot of Americans eyes.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: You know, the.
• 35:01
  Speaker 10: Democrats used to pretend that they really cared about the
• 35:06
  Speaker 10: equality before the law for all Americans, but they have
• 35:09
  Speaker 10: been so flagrant in pursuing a politicized justice system in
• 35:13
  Speaker 10: the last few years that it has woken up so
• 35:16
  Speaker 10: many Americans who used to blindly trust the system. And
• 35:19
  Speaker 10: this all really had a major impact in Donald Trump's reelection. Also,
• 35:24
  Speaker 10: just the flagrant lies from Joe Biden looks so awful.
• 35:28
  Speaker 10: You know, he said over and over again he was
• 35:30
  Speaker 10: not going to pardon his son.
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: He was lying the whole time.
• 35:33
  Speaker 10: We all knew he was lying, and he knew that
• 35:36
  Speaker 10: We knew he was lying, but he didn't care. He
• 35:38
  Speaker 10: did it anyway, because all he cares about is protecting
• 35:41
  Speaker 10: his family, his corrupt business, feelings in the cash that
• 35:44
  Speaker 10: resulted from it, and he couldn't care less about the
• 35:48
  Speaker 10: peasants he's pretended to work for for the last fifty years,
• 35:51
  Speaker 10: namely the voters. It is such an insult, but hey,
• 35:54
  Speaker 10: I guess he has nothing to lose at this point.
• 35:56
  Speaker 10: He's riding off into the sunset and leaving office.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's shocking, as you say. We talked about this yesterday.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: Of course, the fact that he'd said so often there
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: would be no pardon, so he's broken his word. But
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: the other point you refer to was so many Democrats
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: said nobody is above the law. Nobody is above the
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: law became a mantra. Of course, they were targeting Donald Trump.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: They were talking about Donald Trump.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: But it turns out, actually somebody is above the law.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: It happens to be President Joe Biden's son Hunter, and
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: the president is in Africa now. As he was heading out,
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: he refused to answer any questions about this. Have a look, Yes,
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: Joe Biden just avoiding the issue. We'll see if he
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: can avoid it for his couple of days in Africa.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: But I want to go to the left media now
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: and talk about how they're dealing with those crazies on
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: the view want.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: To turn all this against Donald Trump.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: We'll be Goldbert's trying to turn the pardony of Hunter Biden,
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: which she seems to excuse because he was a drug addict,
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: and turned it against Donald Trump.
• 37:09
  Speaker 15: He Hell, look, it's a president for all of us
• 37:12
  Speaker 15: to open our eyes because we've elected someone who is
• 37:15
  Speaker 15: in a similar situation, who didn't have a drug problem,
• 37:19
  Speaker 15: who knew what he was doing, who clearly was stood
• 37:24
  Speaker 15: and said I can do this, and he did it.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Good Lord, Kristen, what do you make of that?
• 37:31
  Speaker 10: I mean, look, Hunter Biden's behavior was despicable. But the
• 37:34
  Speaker 10: most infuriating part about all of this is not what
• 37:37
  Speaker 10: a creep Hunter Biden is or or how corrupt he was.
• 37:40
  Speaker 10: It's the way the media has completely ignored the corruption
• 37:45
  Speaker 10: for years. At this point, they have been complicit in this.
• 37:49
  Speaker 10: Remember when The New York Post broke the story about
• 37:51
  Speaker 10: Hunter Biden's laptop right before the twenty twenty election, people,
• 37:54
  Speaker 10: normal people were blocked from sharing that story on social media.
• 37:58
  Speaker 10: If you didn't try to share the story, you were
• 38:00
  Speaker 10: told you were spreading Russian propaganda. I mean, just imagine
• 38:04
  Speaker 10: for a moment if Donald Trump Junior's laptop had been
• 38:08
  Speaker 10: discovered and all of this kind of material suggesting corruption
• 38:13
  Speaker 10: or at the very least very unseemly behavior was found.
• 38:16
  Speaker 10: Do you think the media would be interested in that.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Of course they would.
• 38:19
  Speaker 10: It would be shared everywhere, it would be front page
• 38:21
  Speaker 10: news for months. But because this was the Bidens, because
• 38:24
  Speaker 10: it was Democrats, you didn't want to talk about it,
• 38:26
  Speaker 10: and they are continuing to downplay the story and make
• 38:29
  Speaker 10: excuses for it even now.
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: It is disgusting.
• 38:32
  Speaker 10: But is it surprising.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Absolutely not, No, it's not surprising.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: It's one of those things where all you have to
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: do is flip it around and imagine what the mainstream
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: media reaction would be. Imagine if it was a president
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump pardoning one of his children, there would be
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: held to pray. Now, just on that, I want to
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: get your reaction to a more substantial issue when it
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: comes to global affairs, and one that relates to lives
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: that need to be saved, and they are, of course,
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: the hostages held in gas as a Bahamas. Donald Trump
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: has posted that if these hostages is not released prior
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: to him being inaugurated on January the twentieth next year,
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: there will be all held to pay in the Middle East.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: So he's making this warning and he's saying that these
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: hostages must be released.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: Now, let's hope Christen that this threat pays dividends.
• 39:25
  Speaker 10: Yes, well, we finally have a strong leader back in office.
• 39:28
  Speaker 10: Remember there was peace in the Middle East under Donald Trump,
• 39:31
  Speaker 10: and I suspect that peace, or at least relative piece
• 39:35
  Speaker 10: will return to that region. Donald Trump never really reveals
• 39:39
  Speaker 10: what he will do. He just kind of makes these
• 39:42
  Speaker 10: general threats, and that is very scary to our enemies abroad.
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: He's unpredictable.
• 39:48
  Speaker 10: People around the world don't know what to expect for Trump,
• 39:51
  Speaker 10: and that's kind of his superpower.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: So it feels good as.
• 39:54
  Speaker 10: An American right now to know that come January we
• 39:58
  Speaker 10: will have a real and they and a strong leader
• 40:02
  Speaker 10: back in the White House. It will bring It'll be
• 40:05
  Speaker 10: much better for the world and for peace and pretty hostages.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's hope so and let's hope those hostages are freed.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: The sooner the better. Thanks for joining us again, Kristin,
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: Chris a sentient leader. Hey, it's not a big ask
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: there from Kristen. Tape now still to come. After this
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: short break, I'm going to catch up with Susio Brian
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: and Stephen Senate Tempo. We want to talk about the
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: RBA copying criticism for keeping interest rates high. Also, Australia's
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: largest bank is set to slug customers three dollars a
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: pop just for getting our hands on our own cash.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: Let's sort out the country now with a couple of
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: our great mates, Susio O'Brien from the Herald Son in
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: Melbourne and Stephen Senate Tiempo, breakfast host to Double C
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: in the nation's capital. Great to talk to you both,
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: but they aren't about about I suppose the number one
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: issue in the country when it comes to when it
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: comes to the cost of living crisis is interest rates
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: and inflation and when they're.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: Going to go down.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: And Susie, some economists now attacking the RBA, saying interest
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: rates are too high for too long time to cut them.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: You're always going to get this from a certain element,
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: but there'll be underpressure not only from economists but from
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: the labor government and its supporters to bring them down
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: as soon as possible.
• 41:21
  Speaker 16: Right, Well, once upon a time everyone supported the Reserve
• 41:27
  Speaker 16: Bank and we didn't really question the decisions that they made.
• 41:30
  Speaker 16: That time is now over well and truly, and given
• 41:34
  Speaker 16: the longest period we've had of such high interest rates,
• 41:38
  Speaker 16: questions are being asked about whether they've got that balance
• 41:41
  Speaker 16: right between the job's growth and the inflation. We would
• 41:44
  Speaker 16: really be hoping to see some kind of movement on
• 41:47
  Speaker 16: interest rates by the middle of next year, because you know,
• 41:50
  Speaker 16: they get it wrong. Seventy five thousand people lose work
• 41:54
  Speaker 16: and you know people lose their homes, so there's a
• 41:56
  Speaker 16: lot at stake.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I reckon that you can criticize them now because
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: labor and power labor. When it doesn't work for labor,
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: no one's allowed to criticize them when it suits Labour's
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: political argument.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: It's free range.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: I'll never forget them increasing interest rates during the two
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: thousand and seven election campaign with John Howard. But before
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: I go to you, Steve, and I just want to
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: show a little clip from ABC Finance and Economics commentator
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: Alan Cohler, because he puts it very simply.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: It's as simple as this.
• 42:29
  Speaker 14: The ABO raises interest rates for inflation goes up, and
• 42:32
  Speaker 14: it cuts them when unemployment goes up.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: It's as simple as that. He went on to say, Stephen,
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: that's it.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: While unemployment remains pretty static that are just over four percent,
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: they don't feel any need or justification to cut interest rates.
• 42:48
  Speaker 7: Well, there's a couple of points that need to be
• 42:50
  Speaker 7: highlighted here and seem to be missed as The first
• 42:52
  Speaker 7: thing is that interest rates are historically low. I mean, yes,
• 42:55
  Speaker 7: they might be higher than they were when we were
• 42:57
  Speaker 7: giving away free money during the pandemic, but his historically
• 43:00
  Speaker 7: they are low. Secondly, the interest rates are only going
• 43:03
  Speaker 7: to come down when the RBA is confident that inflation
• 43:06
  Speaker 7: is under control. And if we remember the last figure
• 43:08
  Speaker 7: is the core inflation rate went up, not down. And
• 43:10
  Speaker 7: we also know that the government has outed one hundred
• 43:12
  Speaker 7: and four billion dollars worth of spending to the economy,
• 43:15
  Speaker 7: which is forcing inflation up. The Reserve Bank has been
• 43:18
  Speaker 7: explicit and saying to the government, you need to get
• 43:20
  Speaker 7: spending under control before we can even consider bringing interest
• 43:23
  Speaker 7: rates down. And the treasurer, or the passenger as I
• 43:26
  Speaker 7: like to call him, puts his fingers in his ears
• 43:27
  Speaker 7: and says, la, la, la, la la.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: I'm not listening. We just change the board. He's not
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: a listener.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: The one thing I will say, though, and it's a
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: very important point to make, because you don't want to
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: diminish the mortgage pain that people are feeling. Yes, interest
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: rates are nothing like the mortgage rates are nothing like
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: the seventeen and a half percent I paid back in
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: the eighties that nearly killed me.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: But they started much lower.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: So people's mortgage rates if they borrowed money at two
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: or three percent, now they're paying six percent.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: It's been a massive jump of doubling in what they
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: have to pay.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: And the pain for people absolutely mortgages is absolutely massive.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: Just on this, Susie, you go to this other decision
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: that's creating a lot of consternation, a swapping of arrangements
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: for people with the Commonwealth Bank and certain accounts where
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: to get their money if they want to go into
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: a branch and withdraw some money or get it from
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: the local post office.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: It doesn't affect ATMs, I don't think, but where they
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: want to go in and get their own money, their
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: own cast from a bank. It'll custom three bucks a pop.
• 44:28
  Speaker 16: Well, I'm a combank customer, not very happy. You know
• 44:31
  Speaker 16: what's that slogan for the Commonwealth Bank? Commonwealth Bank can Well,
• 44:35
  Speaker 16: what we've discovered today is that they can charge you
• 44:37
  Speaker 16: to take your own money out. I mean it is
• 44:40
  Speaker 16: absolutely outrageous. They're saying three dollars for what they call
• 44:43
  Speaker 16: and assisted withdrawal. Well, Commonwealth Bank can charge you to
• 44:47
  Speaker 16: take your own money out, and it also can have
• 44:50
  Speaker 16: a thirty six percent profit margin, So you do have
• 44:53
  Speaker 16: to wonder if they're making decisions in the best interests
• 44:57
  Speaker 16: of their own customers, especially while they're profit right.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Margins are just so high.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: Now we have a competitive banking market, but these big
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: banks tend to follow each other a bit Steven. If
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: the Commonwealth Bank thinks it can do this, the others
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: may well do the same.
• 45:14
  Speaker 7: Chris, this makes me feel really old, and I don't
• 45:16
  Speaker 7: think I am that old, but I remember when this
• 45:18
  Speaker 7: is what banks do. He used to do, give you
• 45:20
  Speaker 7: your money if you needed to go in and take
• 45:21
  Speaker 7: it out. What are the tellers do if they're not
• 45:24
  Speaker 7: assisting with drawers? I mean, it's just ridiculous that we
• 45:27
  Speaker 7: see services.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Diminished and diminished and diminished and diminishing.
• 45:30
  Speaker 7: Fees go up and up and up and up and up,
• 45:32
  Speaker 7: profits keep going up. At what point, and I know
• 45:35
  Speaker 7: that you know they're beholding to their shareholders, but at
• 45:37
  Speaker 7: what point do customers bear into this?
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Mate? I am so old.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: I used to We used to bank at school and
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: you'd write it in the little book and the teller
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: would tell you and you got all duck on the front.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: But that's it is totally changed, right.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: It's not a matter of putting our cash in there
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: and getting it out when we need it. We start
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: to go and get money on a Friday afternoon because
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: you wouldn't have any cash for the weekend.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: Now it's such a cashless society.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: They're actually bank branches that don't carry any cash. So
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: it's a service now for us to actually get hard cash,
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: and it cost them a lot of money to provide
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: that service, Susie.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: So I think we're going to see more and more
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: of this.
• 46:14
  Speaker 16: But you know what I mean, We've said this before.
• 46:16
  Speaker 16: A bank with no money, no cash, it's like a
• 46:20
  Speaker 16: pub with no beer. I mean, come on, what are
• 46:23
  Speaker 16: they there for? And you know, I think they're doing
• 46:26
  Speaker 16: a big part of their community a massive disservice with
• 46:29
  Speaker 16: these sorts of fees, because it's often the elderly, the disadvantage,
• 46:33
  Speaker 16: the vulnerable, who are still relying on that face to face.
• 46:38
  Speaker 16: A lot of people are saying, look at some of
• 46:39
  Speaker 16: the stuff that's happening with online scams. I want to
• 46:42
  Speaker 16: go to a person, hand over my bank book with
• 46:46
  Speaker 16: the duck on the front and get my cash handed
• 46:49
  Speaker 16: to me in person, and they've got every right to do.
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: Hopefully cash will make it come back. And so there
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: was a homeless person the other day looking for help
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: and there's no way unlessly guess one of those apple swipes.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: How can anybody give him any money?
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: You know, cash is disappearing at a fast rate of knots.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: I want to go quickly to.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: Queensland and talk about the legal changes that the new
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: Chris of Fully government has brought in already to try
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: adult crimes for adult times effectively, even if the alleged
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: offenders are young already, as you'd expect, a lot of
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: problems being foreshadowed a lot of pushback from lawyers and
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: others against this.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Here's David Chris Fully.
• 47:31
  Speaker 9: Every Queenslander acknowledges that at the moment there is a
• 47:33
  Speaker 9: youth crime crisis and we've got to do something about it.
• 47:36
  Speaker 9: And we are feeling what we promise people, and that
• 47:38
  Speaker 9: he's putting victims first, victims front and center in all
• 47:41
  Speaker 9: we do in early intervention, rehabilitation, purpose and consequences for actions.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got to go for it, Stephen hasn't. He's
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: promised this, he's delivering this. No one's saying it's going
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: to be easy, but he's going to follow through.
• 47:54
  Speaker 7: And he's saying the bit that's right, Whereas the people
• 47:57
  Speaker 7: that are criticizing this are saying it's going to put
• 47:59
  Speaker 7: pressure on the courts, it's going to put pressure on police,
• 48:01
  Speaker 7: it's going to put pressure on all these other groups.
• 48:03
  Speaker 7: Nobody's talking about the victims except for the premiere. I
• 48:05
  Speaker 7: think christophils onto the right thing here. And you know,
• 48:08
  Speaker 7: if you do the adult crime, you've got to do
• 48:09
  Speaker 7: the adult time. I mean, you can't tell me that
• 48:12
  Speaker 7: the kids that are committing these serious crimes don't know
• 48:14
  Speaker 7: they're doing wrong. And yes they might be from disadvantaged
• 48:17
  Speaker 7: backgrounds and the like, and yes we need to address
• 48:19
  Speaker 7: that but once the crime is being committed, there needs
• 48:21
  Speaker 7: to be punishment.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we are just about of time, Susie. But I
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: bet Victoria will be watching this closely as well. Yeah.
• 48:29
  Speaker 16: I mean we've got a lot of problems with youth
• 48:31
  Speaker 16: crime at the moment, but there has to be some
• 48:33
  Speaker 16: sort of middle ground. I mean, we don't want people
• 48:35
  Speaker 16: on bail like the AAR and Victoria just free to
• 48:38
  Speaker 16: you back on the streets day after day.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: After we are right out of time in jail.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: Right, sorry, Susie, right out of time is a great topic.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: We'll come back to it, Thanks Stevens. Thanks Susie.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: We are just out of time.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: Everyone will watch what happens in Queensland because other states
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: will want to follow.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: It if it works. Here's Peter Quidlin.