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GOP Running Scared of Trump’s War | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas · DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

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  Good morning. Thanks for joining “DeProgram”
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  with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas. It's Monday,
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  September 28th, 2026. Good morning, JT. This
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  morning, we've got a bunch of great news to talk
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  about. We go two full hours today, Monday. We're
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  here Monday through Friday, 9 to 11 on Mondays,
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  Wednesdays and Fridays. Today's Monday, so we're
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  here for two more hours. A growing number of
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  Republicans are scrambling to disown the Iran
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  War. Is it too late for them to save being savaged
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  in the midterm elections? Probably. Yeah. Trump
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  rejects Iran's recent proposal to end the war.
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  He basically wants to go back to the memorandum
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  of understanding. What exactly is Trump thinking?
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  We'll get into that. The British police have
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  arrested five dudes on suspicion of preparing
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  a terrorist act against a huge Air Force base
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  used by the U.S. military, RAF Fairford,
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  where some of the big bombers are deployed.
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  And finally, last but not least, there's sort
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  of an Occupy Spain kind of thing going on in
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  Madrid where protesters angry at the eviction
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  of an 87-year-old woman are camped out now
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  for several days in the Puerta del Sol Plaza,
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  where tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of people
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  are furious about the housing crisis and inflation
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  crisis in Spain. So that's always super
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  interesting. How are you doing, Jamarl? I'm doing
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  okay. I'm doing okay. Good. Should we answer
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  Robby's question before or after? Yes, we can
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  do it now. Let's get it out of the way. Robby,
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  go ahead. Come on in and ask your question. Well,
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  because as you all know, I like to read, I like
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  to study things. So I've been studying over the
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  weekend because I'm a nerd: space, astrophysics
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  and spacetime with how it works with the theory
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  of relativity. And so what my question to JT
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  is, and I can't think of a better person to ask,
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  how is it that a black hole is able to capture
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  light if light doesn't have mass because it's
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  energy. And the only thing I can figure is
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  that if the black holes work the way that we
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  think that they do, it's because they're so
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  dense, they actually warp spacetime, and that's
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  what captures the light. It's not necessarily
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  the gravity. JT, what do you think? But it's
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  spacetime being warped. So think of it like—
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  So there's a few misnomers. Light doesn't really
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  travel. It travels from our perspective, but
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  it doesn't exactly travel. The moment that
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  light is emitted from the light's point of view,
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  it's extinguished because there's no time that
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  passes between the two things. And so there's
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  an argument to be made that,
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  for example, all waves travel on something, but
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  light doesn't have a medium
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  that we are aware of that it travels. It has photons.
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  So my physics professor at Columbia,
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  James Rainwater, is largely responsible for
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  coming up with the idea of the photon and he
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  told me that he noticed it by going to Take
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  Home Deli on 115th and Broadway and he noticed
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  how—and we've all seen this phenomenon—where
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  a bunch of the color posters for various goods
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  in the window over time had faded to blue
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  and white even though they were all printed in
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  four-color process. So they all originally
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  had other colors and he started to
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  ask himself back in the 1950s why would that
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  be and so then he said there must be particles
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  and we all know this thing: if you leave
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  something in direct sunlight, let's say a painting
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  or a photo, it'll fade. And why does it
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  fade? That won't happen if it's in a dark cabinet.
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  It's because the light is hitting it. So
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  what effect is it having? The photons
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  are interacting with the color in the photo,
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  the dyes in the photo. So photons
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  are particles. They are. It's more complicated.
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  Light is not. The particle-wave duality
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  thing is a real thing. It's not
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  the double-slit experiment where a photon comes
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  out to be a wave and a particle depending upon
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  how you look at it. It's both.
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  The reality of it is it's a wave. Light is a wave.
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  And then the first thing they ask is, okay, well,
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  what does the wave travel through? But there
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  was no medium that light is traveling through.
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  The belief is that it's space itself that's
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  being warped. Meaning light only travels in a
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  straight line. It's space that gets warped by
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  this stuff. If you're asking—but light does
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  not travel in a straight line near a black hole.
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  Yes, it does. Light always travels in a straight
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  line. It's space that's curved. Okay, so that's—
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  That's for our quantum physics conversation.
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  Well, that's relativity. But it's space
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  that curves. When they're doing—when they're
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  looking at refractions, stuff like that.
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  They're looking at waves being curved around
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  objects. So if you're looking at a black hole,
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  if you're looking at a neutron star and stuff
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  like that, you could see light coming from behind
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  something that you shouldn't be able to see light
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  from because it's being curved. Even the pictures
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  of the black hole where you're seeing that light
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  around it, that space being so warped that you're
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  seeing what's behind the black hole in front
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  of the black hole. But light itself is always
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  going in a straight line. It's just space that
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  gets curved. Sorry, Robby, we're not going to
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  get this done in the first six minutes of the
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  program. Listen, that's a good question.
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  I said, I'm a nerd, and I've just been studying
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  this and reading. It might surprise people. I
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  do read things other than comic books. You don't
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  even read comic books. All right. I read your
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  comics. Don't lie on me. I've got your books.
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  That's true. Don't you freaking lie on me, Ted.
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  I know where you live. I know you know where
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  I live. All right. You're on notice,
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  Rall. I'm noted, Rall. You're on notice. That
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  should be a T-shirt. Okay. So what do you want
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  to talk about first? Do you want to talk about
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  Republicans running scared? Trump rejects the
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  deal. Pardon? Trump rejects the deal. Okay. Trump
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  rejects the deal. So basically Trump—
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  so last week we covered this on the show. Iran
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  revisited the memorandum of understanding
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  and said, listen, if you guys want to adhere
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  to that, something you haven't wanted
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  to do, we would be willing to reopen the Strait
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  of Hormuz. We want our money back, the $12 billion
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  or so that you owe us. And so basically Trump
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  said, yeah, I reject that. He didn't get really
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  into why. He seemed to imply that he thought
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  a deal would be achievable after the midterm
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  elections. I will gladly pay you after Election
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  Tuesday for a deal today. I don't know if he's
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  serious about that. This is a game of chicken
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  in which both parties seem to be in no rush
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  whatsoever. They both seem to think that time
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  is on their side, as the Rolling Stones sang.
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  But I don't think Trump is right about that and
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  I think Iran is right. But anyway, what do you
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  think? I agree with you. I don't think Trump is
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  right about it. I think he's coming. There
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  are a few things that's going into Trump's mind.
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  It's not just what is in the best
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  interest of the U.S. It's also this is humiliating
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  if I pull out. This is humiliating if I lose. This
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  is—I don't like losers and so I don't want—
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  meaning that part of it is going into it. But
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  also I suspect that people are telling Trump
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  or showing him videos of things that he thinks
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  that he has an advantage that I don't think he
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  actually has. Iran went through years of war with
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  Iraq. Iran went through years of sanctions with
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  the maximum pressure campaign the first time
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  around in addition to sanctions that had been
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  on the country for decades. They
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  didn't collapse. They didn't capitulate. And in
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  the situation that they're in now where they're
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  considering the existential—I think people need to pay attention to what
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  he said. He was like, we are prepared for the doomsday
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  scenario. Basically we're prepared for a doomsday
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  war, which is a three-body thing. I think he probably
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  read the book and got that term from it. But basically
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  we're prepared for existential war. I don't
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  think they're in this mindset of capitulation
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  and surrender in the way that Donald Trump is
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  thinking about. I think they're looking at it
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  as how much pressure can we put on the U.S. economy
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  to make this hurt. And for the first time it's
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  a pain-off. So there's no
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  question that both sides are inflicting economic
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  pain on one another. No question about that. But
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  in my view the Iranians—it's so interesting
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  because theoretically speaking the U.S. should
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  have the advantage. It has the bigger economy.
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  It has more international integration. It has
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  bigger natural resources. It has a bigger military.
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  And yet it's also softer and flabbier and its
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  people are not hardened. The Iranians have been
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  subjected to harsh sanctions and not to mention
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  proxy wars starting in 1980,
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  ever since the Islamic Revolution 47 years ago. So for them
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  it's like, oh more pain. Oh okay. All right I guess
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  whatever. Well also we've got for us. I
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  just went and filled up my gas tank yesterday.
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  I did not go—you know how there's weird stations
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  where it's like in the middle of Nevada where
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  it's nine dollars. This was not one of those. This
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  was a normal one and it was $4.58 a gallon and
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  I took pictures of it, put it on
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  my socials. So it's only going to
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  go up. It's going to get worse and the American
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  people are just not going to be able to handle this
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  once the average price is over five in most
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  of the country. Here's the problem. The cost of
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  living here is so much higher, and we have a
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  debt bomb on top of it. Consumer debt. We have
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  people who are using credit cards, which is the
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  worst possible thing you could ever use with
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  the 30% interest rates if you're lucky. Buying
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  groceries just to survive is a sustenance tax.
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  Forget about luxury items. Meanwhile, winter
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  is on its way. There's no conversations at all
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  that I'm seeing about how people in the North are
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  going to heat their homes this year. That's heating
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  oil. That's a thing. We don't have coal anymore.
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  We don't have national problems in this country.
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  We have individual problems. If you can't heat
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  your house, that's tough shit for you. The country
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  does not care about you. Neither political party
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  cares about you. Guys, I want to ask you one
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  thing. I don't know if other countries
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  think that way. France doesn't think that way,
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  do they? No, these are just individual
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  problems. If this is only you, yeah, I don't
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  think they do. No, not at all.
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  No. It's a given even among
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  the right-wing parties that obviously we're
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  all in it together and we have to take care of
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  each other to some extent. Right. We don't want
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  people sleeping outside if we can avoid it. Guys,
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  before we continue, we obviously have
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  to talk about the economic pain. But one thing
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  that is really kind of maddening is the only
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  real reason why the United States, by the people
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  here, seem to be so unhappy with Trump's war
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  against Iran on behalf of Israel is that it's
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  affecting them in their pocketbooks.
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  Nobody's losing any sleep over the dead schoolchildren.
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  Nobody cares about the fact that we started a war against
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  a sovereign nation-state that never meant or
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  did us any harm, that we violated the Constitution
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  in doing so. We don't care about the
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  big issues. Obviously, the big one is we killed
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  people gratuitously, and we're still killing
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  people gratuitously. And in Lebanon and so on,
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  Lebanon's a big part of this for the Iranians.
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  What is wrong with us? I feel
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  like when you're a president who you
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  don't like—most Americans don't like him—goes
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  and starts a war and kills a bunch of innocent
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  people, including children, that should
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  be something that pisses you off more than the
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  price of diesel. Most Americans want to lose.
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  But see, this is my argument. Apathy. Right?
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  This is why I say there's... Or cruelty. This
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  is why I make this argument that we are culpable.
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  I know you can make the case of, well, we're
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  not responsible for the decisions of our leaders.
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  I think we are. The point that you're
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  making right now, the American public, their
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  issue is, oh my God, I got to pay more for gas.
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  And it's like, but we are murdering people. Shouldn't
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  it be a cost for the murder of a large number
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  of people? If you kill thousands of human beings
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  in a war that is a criminal war of aggression
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  against a country that did nothing to you and
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  is no threat to you. And then the complaint of
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  the public is, God damn it, man, I can't believe
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  I have to pay $4.50 for gas. And by the way, may
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  not even make the connection between we are murdering
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  people and the price of gas or the price of energy
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  or the price of items that we're paying for.
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  Okay, then you have to ask what is wrong with that
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  population? Our military goes to it. Our tax
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  dollars go to it. Our hardware and equipment
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  that was built in this country goes into this
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  war. How are we not culpable? And that's where
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  I come in with this kind of thing of apathy,
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  not caring about the number of people that you're
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  killing, murdering, or creating mayhem for, whether
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  that's in Cuba, whether that's in Venezuela,
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  hell, whether that's even in Greenland.
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  How are we different from the Israelis, right?
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  I've been on here, we all have, criticizing
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  the Israeli public for being really deeply concerned
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  about the hostages, but not about the Palestinians.
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  It's really the same thing, right?
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  We just— Well, there's a slight difference.
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  The slight difference is apathy versus
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  intentional psychopathy. Meaning, if you ask
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  Israelis, is it okay what the Israeli government
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  and Netanyahu is doing to the Palestinians? They
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  would say yes. And they would even say, we need
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  to be more aggressive on the West Bank. Meaning,
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  we're okay with the killings in the West Bank.
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  We're okay with the genocide. We're okay with
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  that stuff. At least in the U.S., we say we don't
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  like it, even though we're not going to do anything
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  about it. We moderately don't like it from
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  a distance. It's that. That's the only difference.
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  One is intentional want for harm, and the other
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  one is apathy. You tell me which one is
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  worse. But it is always about otherizing, too,
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  right? We just don't really.
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  We'll hear about, oh, the scandal
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  is that the Pentagon has been covering up the
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  number of U.S. casualties in the war. Or the
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  amount of money that was spent. Or the amount
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  they were paying for gas. It's never about the
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  killings. No. And the thing is, and it's
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  gratuitous and I just can't get over that, right?
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  It's completely unnecessary.
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  I used to say this about the Vietnam
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  War. It's like we never
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  needed to be there. And everybody who argued
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  about the domino theory and communism
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  spreading through Asia and all that. Okay,
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  we didn't fight them there. They were going to
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  come here. It's like. Okay, so we lost and none
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  of that happened, right? So clearly that was
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  not true. Demonstrably, quantifiably,
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  it wasn't true. It's never true. They've come
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  up with stuff just to make arguments for the
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  sake of justifying something. Like, oh yeah,
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  they have nukes. That's what now people are arguing
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  about nukes as we go and kill people when really
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  nukes was never an issue. There's a missile gap
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  with John F. Kennedy, right? Oh, the missile
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  gap, the missile gap. It's a missile gap. That
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  was never true. We knew it was never true. But
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  again using it for political expedience. We do
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  that. The worst is there's no opposition, right?
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  So there hasn't been a single major
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  anti-Iran war protest at all. Not one has happened.
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  The war has been going on for more
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  than six months and still not one. So there's
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  really no left. And then
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  it's so hard to even—for example, I was
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  watching the Sunday morning talkies, right? And
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  you get so-called Democrats, right? They go on, they say,
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  well, okay, so Trump's war, gas prices, but they
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  don't talk about the—and then they repeat a
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  bunch of Republican talking points. Iran must
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  never be allowed to get a nuclear weapon. Well,
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  how are you an opponent if you're just repeating
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  these GOP talking points that are nonsense?
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  That's part of what's frustrating is Democrats
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  are going to benefit from Trump's mistake here
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  but they shouldn't. They don't deserve to
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  because they're no better
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  on this. Well I have a question and I mean this
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  sincerely. Why is it wrong for Iran not to have
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  a nuclear weapon when they're not a member
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  of the Non-Proliferation Treaty? They never signed
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  it. Neither is Israel. But they are a member of
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  the Non-Proliferation Treaty. They inherited it from
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  the Shah's regime, and they decided to honor
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  it when the revolution came in because they didn't
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  want nuclear weapons. Yeah, that's what I said.
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  They're saying, hey, we'll pull out of it.
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  They could have pulled out of it. Oh, I'd pull
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  out of it now. I would have pulled out of it
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  last week. I agree. I guess the point I'm trying
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  to make, I said it backwards. And who is the
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  U.S. to decide who gets to have nuclear weapons?
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  They signed the Non-Proliferation Treaty. Israel
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  never did. Israel is in direct violation of it.
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  And under American law, we're not supposed to
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  give foreign aid to nations that violate that
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  treaty. No, they didn't. You can't be violating
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  a treaty if you never signed it. I understand
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  that. But the United States, though, by American
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  law, is forbidden to give foreign aid to a country
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  that has not signed it. Israel hasn't acknowledged
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  this issue. They haven't acknowledged that they
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  had nukes, even though everybody knows. It's
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  a big secret. Pezeshkian in the UN speech pointed
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  out Israel has nukes. It's like the secret that
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  everybody knows and nobody wants to say. And
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  by the way, we even ignored our laws on starvation.
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  Meaning when our government came up and said
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  Israel is starving the Palestinians and Joe Biden
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  squashed a report from coming out, that woman
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  quit and came out and became a whistleblower
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  basically pointing out saying we're ignoring
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  our own laws on this issue of starvation. We
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  do it all the time. Yeah, but I guess that's
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  my point is that if it's so wrong for Iran to
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  develop nuclear weapons, why does Israel get
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  a pass? By the way, it's not wrong. Oh, I completely
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  agree. Of course not. Listen. This right
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  and wrong shit that the United States is coming
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  up with in its own context of things. We have no
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  right. We want your nukes. Fuck off. What do you
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  have to do with my nukes? So what? It's their
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  right to do so. And to be honest, this war wouldn't
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  be taking place if they had nukes. I think actually
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  the balance of power in the Middle East would
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  be far more stable. No, we're the good guys,
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  right? But we killed over a million Iraqis for
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  no reason at all. We destroyed Libya. God knows
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  how many people died there. And to this day,
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  you can go buy yourself a brand spanking new
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  African for like 200 bucks. Think about
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  that. I think it's a little bit more. No, dude,
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  with inflation. Oh, you think it was like maybe
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  $230? With inflation.
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  How much do you think it costs to get a vaccinated slave?
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  Well, it depends on your politics, right?
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  That might be less valuable. It's insane. It
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  is insane. The argument that takes place that
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  I've seen around this conversation about the
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  war is infuriating. Because they start sometimes
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  with the premise of, well, should the U.S.
• 20:24
  is trying to get their nukes and they're starting
• 20:26
  at the premise of the war. When really the premise
• 20:28
  that you start with is the U.S. has no right
• 20:30
  to tell any country that's a sovereign nation
• 20:32
  what it should and shouldn't do or what it should
• 20:35
  and shouldn't have. And this is about issues
• 20:37
  of power. It's not about right or wrong. And
• 20:40
  it's amazing to me that they would go with
• 20:43
  this idea that we're the good guys and yet we're
• 20:46
  murdering people in a country that we have no
• 20:49
  right to be in. And we have no right to their
• 20:52
  nukes. We have no right to anything in Iran,
• 20:54
  any bit more than they have any right to. The
• 20:56
  idea that Iran says, we don't like the U.S.
• 20:58
  having nukes, so we're going to go to war
• 21:00
  with the U.S. to take away their nukes. Okay,
• 21:02
  this will be nonsense on its face. Yeah, people
• 21:05
  would just laugh. Yeah, we just laugh. Oh, that's
• 21:07
  funny. It's cute that you guys think that. But
• 21:10
  again, that's not the way it is in the opposite
• 21:13
  direction. It's outrageous. No, totally. But
• 21:16
  no, I think Trump has got this wrong. I think
• 21:18
  we're all going to suffer as a result of this.
• 21:21
  And they're prepared to suffer, to make us suffer,
• 21:24
  considering we're the one that started the war.
• 21:26
  How does this play out? Obviously, prices continue
• 21:29
  to go up. The economy starts to break down more
• 21:34
  and more. Supply chains start to break down as
• 21:38
  the trucking system starts to slow down and coagulate.
• 21:44
  Okay, so by then the election's
• 21:48
  coming up and it's just blink an eye.
• 21:50
  It's going to be right around the corner.
• 21:53
  Democrats are going to lose. I don't think so.
• 21:56
  Democrats are going to win. Are you serious?
• 21:59
  Listen, I think what's going to happen.
• 22:04
  Republicans are calling for it, by the way. Well, listen,
• 22:06
  I hope that I'm wrong. I've been hoping I've
• 22:08
  been wrong on the last several shows we've had.
• 22:10
  But if things start falling apart, people start
• 22:12
  going hungry. What happens in New York, Ted,
• 22:15
  if there's a city of, what, nine, two million
• 22:16
  people, and you're unable to stock grocery stores
• 22:19
  because trucks aren't moving, because the infrastructure
• 22:23
  has just fallen down? There'll be civil disorder.
• 22:27
  And then they're going to say, well, you obviously
• 22:30
  cannot have elections in this kind of environment.
• 22:32
  And they're going to blame it on the Iranians,
• 22:34
  the Iranian sleeper cells, those rascally Democrats,
• 22:37
  and then those right-wingers like me. And so
• 22:39
  you're going to use the Zelensky model. It's
• 22:41
  the best democracy that you can have because
• 22:42
  it's incredibly stable. You just suspend the
• 22:45
  election. By the way, it's not entirely unprecedented,
• 22:47
  right? People forget there was an election on
• 22:49
  September 11th, 2001. It was a Democratic primary
• 22:52
  in New York City for the mayoralty. Mark Green,
• 22:57
  you have forgotten his name. He would be the
• 23:00
  mayor of the city of New York, would have been
• 23:02
  elected mayor, except for the fact that the attacks
• 23:05
  happened. The polls closed. They held the election
• 23:09
  later. And obviously the world had changed. And
• 23:12
  so had New York City politics and outgoing mayor
• 23:14
  Rudy Giuliani endorsed and coronated
• 23:18
  Michael Bloomberg, who never would have won if
• 23:22
  those attacks hadn't happened in that. And it's
• 23:25
  really kind of too bad because Mark Green was
• 23:27
  kind of awesome and would have been a great
• 23:29
  mayor. But yeah, so it has, it can happen.
• 23:33
  It has happened. Listen, if I was a
• 23:36
  betting man, I'm not, but if I was going to put down
• 23:38
  a bet, I would say it's a 60-40 chance that
• 23:42
  Trump suspends the elections. It depends on how...
• 23:45
  I think it's likely he'll cancel them after the
• 23:48
  fact. Just because temperamentally and psychologically,
• 23:51
  that's more his way. He's the kind of
• 23:54
  the college student who pulls the all-nighter trying
• 23:56
  to grind out studying for the final that he never
• 23:58
  showed up to class for all the night before.
• 24:01
  He's a ditherer. Well, this is a sick show of
• 24:04
  the difference. Either way, the elections aren't
• 24:07
  going to—either they're invalidated or it's
• 24:09
  not ever happened. Yeah, I think they'll be invalidated.
• 24:12
  I don't know what that world looks like. There's
• 24:13
  a chance they'll be invalidated, yeah. See, I
• 24:16
  don't know what the world looks like after that.
• 24:18
  No, no, nobody does. I suspect what we will not
• 24:22
  get are giant protests because we just don't
• 24:25
  do that, apparently. That's for the Spaniards.
• 24:28
  We won't get protests on that. Not sustained,
• 24:32
  not sustained. It would be on Saturdays when
• 24:35
  it's convenient for people.
• 24:38
  I don't know. Weather allowing. If it's a little too
• 24:41
  drizzly, we can't do it. Make sure the peace
• 24:45
  police comes out and don't let it become too
• 24:47
  spicy. I think elections are different. I could
• 24:51
  be wrong. Maybe so. All right, let's do some
• 24:53
  questions. And before we get into those, just
• 24:56
  a reminder that this is a two-hour show today.
• 24:59
  That's the new schedule, Monday, Wednesday, Friday,
• 25:01
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• 25:17
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  find. We'll be emphasizing the Q&As in the second
• 25:24
  hour here. So have your questions and comments
• 25:28
  ready for then. All right, let's do some comments
• 25:29
  here. Kilroy, anyone else seen Nancy Mace's catsuit
• 25:34
  video, over-under on her dropping
• 25:40
  and on OnlyFans or OnlyFans-adjacent SFW page? Really?
• 25:46
  I have not. Nancy Mace is attractive. Oh yeah, no
• 25:49
  she's not. She's not ugly at all. Albeit in a—
• 25:52
  you know how people have a face that's often out
• 25:54
  of a certain decade. She has a very 70s face
• 25:57
  but it works. Oh for sure. Yeah totally.
• 26:02
  And she knows which is probably why she got the
• 26:05
  catsuit video. Yeah, indeed. Andre, Ted, thoughts
• 26:10
  on France saying they're going to join the Saudi
• 26:12
  Yemen war, LOL. Yeah, assholes.
• 26:18
  You guys are going to hell. Not good, not good,
• 26:21
  not good. The mighty French military. Daniel,
• 26:24
  we never talked about dead Iraqis during the
• 26:27
  Iraq war, only left media and Ron Paul talked
• 26:30
  about it and just barely even. Yeah. Well no,
• 26:33
  to talk about the French. They have not
• 26:35
  yet surrendered to Yemen so we may as well get
• 26:38
  that out of the way. The French didn't go there.
• 26:40
  They lost to the Haitians. They lost to the Mexicans.
• 26:43
  The Germans stopped them like every 30 years. Don't
• 26:46
  forget the Vietnamese. Yeah. France
• 26:48
  is incredibly good at making croissants and surrendering.
• 26:51
  My grandfather said he had a French rifle, never
• 26:53
  fired, only dropped once. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All
• 26:57
  right. Phileas Fob, the lessons from Big Tobacco,
• 27:01
  Big Oil, Big Pharma, et cetera. If you want to
• 27:03
  commit a crime, make it too big to prosecute,
• 27:05
  and thanks for the dollar. France, manchild.
• 27:09
  France gave them the nukes, and now France is
• 27:11
  looking to expand its nuclear footprint in Europe.
• 27:14
  France gave Putin nukes. I got to tell
• 27:18
  you guys about Ambassador Guilfoyle. She told
• 27:21
  the Greek ministers that the U.S. took down
• 27:23
  Romania, and the U.S. can take down Greece,
• 27:25
  too. Yikes. That was in March, so hopefully she
• 27:29
  has calmed down. Well, I got a clip for that.
• 27:32
  Yeah. Apparently they were having, or they put
• 27:34
  it in a newspaper, I think, where they mentioned
• 27:36
  it. Oh, speaking of clips, Robby, I put in the
• 27:40
  chat this—you probably know about this—this
• 27:43
  ad that Trump put out. Can you put it out?
• 27:48
  Can you put it up? The final battle. This is
• 27:52
  a taxpayer ad, right? Is this one of those taxpayer-
• 27:55
  funded ads? Yes. So, yeah, Donald Trump is releasing
• 28:01
  basically Trump propaganda ads paid for by the
• 28:05
  United States taxpayer by his own account, funded
• 28:09
  by the U.S. government. Amazing. And so we'll
• 28:12
  go ahead and play that now. And, by the way,
• 28:14
  this ad, as some media outlets have found, is
• 28:17
  pretty much almost identical to one of his 2024
• 28:20
  campaign ads. So this is... They claimed that,
• 28:24
  by the way, this is a public service announcement.
• 28:27
  So here we go. Are you serious? I swear to God.
• 28:31
  This is the final battle. With you at my side,
• 28:35
  we will demolish the deep state. Expel the warmongers
• 28:39
  from our government. We will drop globalists. We
• 28:42
  will cast out the communists, Marxists, and fascists.
• 28:45
  We will throw off the sick political class that
• 28:48
  hates our country. We will rout the fake news
• 28:51
  media, and we will liberate America from these
• 28:54
  villains once and for all. To put you in the
• 28:59
  mind of Bill Clinton, when Bill Clinton was giving
• 29:03
  the speech, I think it was—oh, what was it?
• 29:07
  It was Al Gore. Oh, that's what it was, a Democratic
• 29:11
  speech where Al Gore was running for president.
• 29:15
  And the night that Bill Clinton was set to give
• 29:18
  the speech, Bill Clinton did exactly that. And
• 29:20
  people were like, Bill Clinton looked like a
• 29:21
  rock star because Bill Clinton, he was walking
• 29:24
  out. He was giving high fives. He was shaking
• 29:26
  hands and everything else. Bill Clinton had like
• 29:28
  a 70-something percent approval rating. He had just
• 29:29
  come through an impeachment and he goes and
• 29:32
  gives the speech and then, oh my God, he
• 29:33
  looks like a rock star in the way that he was
• 29:35
  walking to the thing. That's what it puts me
• 29:37
  in the mind of. It doesn't have the same gravitas
• 29:38
  though. And it doesn't have the same.
• 29:41
  This is a president with like a 30% approval
• 29:43
  rating, right? Well, and also it's not a PSA,
• 29:48
  okay? A PSA is, hey, go get
• 29:53
  tested for breast cancer. A PSA is, hey, give
• 29:57
  a hoot, don't pollute. That's a PSA. Not just
• 30:01
  this is a campaign ad. And Trump is not even
• 30:03
  on. And this goes back to my entire premise.
• 30:05
  Trump is on the ballot, even though he's not
• 30:08
  on the ballot. I think I kind of went to a very Jamarl Thomas place when I saw this.
• 30:16
  I was like, this reeks of—he knows it's
• 30:19
  illegal. He knows it's wrong. And it really reeks
• 30:22
  of distraction. Right. Like this is.
• 30:25
  Right now, everybody's giving
• 30:27
  me shit over the Iran war. The economy is going
• 30:30
  to hell. The Republicans are going to get destroyed
• 30:33
  in the midterms. So let me do something to sort
• 30:36
  of say, look, shiny object, like in
• 30:39
  The Simpsons. Look, Bart's doing stuff. Right.
• 30:42
  It's that. Right. That's what this is.
• 30:45
  Do you think he even thinks about
• 30:47
  the fact that it's illegal? I'm not even
• 30:50
  sure it crosses his mind. Oh, I think normally
• 30:52
  I would say you're right. In this case, I think
• 30:56
  it's a feature, not a bug. I think he knows it's
• 30:58
  illegal. And he knows that, oh, this is a troll. This is, let's make the
• 31:04
  Democrats chase this. Look, squirrel.
• 31:06
  Let's make them chase
• 31:08
  this squirrel. They'll
• 31:11
  get distracted while they're talking about my
• 31:13
  ad, which that will then prompt people to go
• 31:16
  look at my ad. They're not talking
• 31:18
  about the shit that's really going tits up. Well,
• 31:23
  short of the Iran war I'm not sure what
• 31:26
  the Democrats are actually talking about.
• 31:28
  In fact I don't know what either of them are
• 31:30
  talking about. Donald Trump. This ad just doesn't
• 31:33
  work. No. Well there's that too. It's a terrible
• 31:36
  ad. It's terrible. If you're talking about
• 31:39
  what, 2014 or 20—what is it—2018, 2020 when Donald
• 31:43
  Trump—I'm sorry, 2012. Is it 2012? When Donald
• 31:48
  Trump first ran, his first term. That ad works
• 31:51
  then. Because nobody knows. We don't know what's
• 31:54
  coming. We don't know what's coming. He's an
• 31:56
  outsider, right? Now, that doesn't work. You
• 32:00
  can't have an ad like this. The only thing, honestly,
• 32:03
  if I was a Republican strategist, I would say
• 32:05
  the only ads you can run now are ads that purport
• 32:10
  to reveal accomplishments that most American
• 32:13
  voters may not be aware of. If you have those.
• 32:16
  And that's what you've got to do. You'd be like,
• 32:18
  you didn't know, but the price of cod is down
• 32:21
  6%. America, save for cod again. It's got
• 32:27
  to be stuff like that. If steak's too pricey,
• 32:30
  think about cod. It can't be stuff that you claim
• 32:36
  that you were going to do your first term. Also,
• 32:38
  a bunch of vague, airy shit like we're going
• 32:41
  to go after the radical lunatics and the socialists
• 32:44
  and the communists. All this stuff that's completely
• 32:46
  made up out of whole cloth. Well, he does have
• 32:49
  one big accomplishment. I shared this with you
• 32:53
  all in the chat. The price index for crude, which
• 32:58
  is what impacts our fuel costs here in the United
• 33:01
  States, is up 1.72% over the last 30 minutes
• 33:07
  or so, it's now $106 per barrel. Well, let's
• 33:10
  not hope that continues at this rate. By the
• 33:12
  end of the show, we're fucked. Listen, Ted, those
• 33:16
  oil companies, those executives, their profits
• 33:19
  simply are not high enough. And this is the problem.
• 33:21
  Radical leftists like you and JT think that these
• 33:23
  people actually don't understand the sacrifices
• 33:26
  these people are making. You should be thankful
• 33:29
  that we have these intrepid entrepreneurs. They're
• 33:33
  willing to go out and do the hard work that other
• 33:36
  people won't do. Listen, these prices
• 33:40
  are not going to raise themselves. You should
• 33:42
  be thinking. Oh, I see your point. Donald
• 33:44
  Trump has historically increased oil prices to
• 33:47
  a historic degree. That's his accomplishment.
• 33:50
  100%. Well, also, have y'all seen all the stock
• 33:52
  purchases that he's been doing this year? Yes.
• 33:55
  Oh, seriously, you'd be a fool
• 33:57
  if you have any spare money not to put it all
• 33:59
  into energy stocks. I'm telling you,
• 34:01
  forget about the Pelosi tracker. You have the
• 34:04
  Trump tracker right now for your stock portfolio.
• 34:06
  Yeah. Oh, so we do have a Trump tracker.
• 34:08
  He's been making all sorts of things. And by
• 34:10
  the way, they ask, I think they asked J.D. Vance
• 34:12
  this, how on earth can you talk about corruption
• 34:16
  when your president is making all of these stock
• 34:19
  buybacks? And Vance, of course, oh, this is nonsense.
• 34:22
  There's nothing illegal, blah, blah, blah. Don't
• 34:25
  believe your lying eyes. Vance is—
• 34:29
  yeah, look, it's going to be, Vance obviously
• 34:31
  can't come out against his own sitting president.
• 34:34
  It's ridiculous to even suggest that
• 34:36
  he could. But doesn't that damage him, though?
• 34:40
  Does it damage Kamala Harris? No,
• 34:43
  I think that is the question, right?
• 34:45
  Look, I think he's definitely a more appealing—
• 34:50
  and I'm not saying I would never vote for him.
• 34:52
  I think he's a more appealing candidate in sort
• 34:55
  of in the abstract than Kamala Harris. Kamala
• 34:57
  Harris always presented as she was having too
• 35:01
  much of a good time while the country was burning
• 35:04
  down. J.D. Vance doesn't look like
• 35:07
  the joy. I'm bringing joy. Oh, right. We're not
• 35:10
  in the mood for joy. We're
• 35:14
  knee-deep in genocide and disintegration
• 35:17
  and deindustrialization. No, thank you.
• 35:20
  We're up to our neck. I think she took
• 35:21
  that from Obama. The hope thing. She was looking
• 35:23
  for something like hope. So she came up with
• 35:24
  joy. Right. But joy is sort of—it's about
• 35:28
  her. It's not about us. Right. This is like what
• 35:32
  went wrong with Hillary Clinton with her buttons
• 35:33
  that said I'm with her. It's like, no, she's
• 35:36
  supposed to be for us. We're not supposed to
• 35:38
  be for her. Elections are about the people. They're
• 35:41
  never about the candidate. And
• 35:44
  that's kind of like where Donald Trump is going
• 35:45
  wrong now. Trump was about the candidate. But
• 35:49
  it's hope and change, right? Sort of like
• 35:52
  where it's hope. What's the hope for?
• 35:54
  The change. So it's clever, right? Because
• 35:57
  the hope is you. I'm giving you hope. But to
• 36:01
  get that hope realized, we're going to have to
• 36:05
  affect this change. And I'm the change because,
• 36:07
  look, I even look different. Right. So
• 36:10
  it was obviously clever marketing, although
• 36:14
  it's also interesting that they didn't come up
• 36:16
  with it themselves, right? It was a private—
• 36:19
  it was Shepard Fairey, the artist who came up
• 36:22
  with it, and then they decided to appropriate
• 36:24
  it. Yeah, and it worked. It did work. It was
• 36:29
  about Trump. Also, that's also the kind of trick
• 36:33
  you can't do too
• 36:35
  often in a row, right? You can promise
• 36:37
  people hope and change, and then if
• 36:41
  you don't—he didn't deliver so it's like
• 36:44
  now you can't do that. But listen he is delivering.
• 36:47
  Look at those oil prices. He is delivering to
• 36:50
  the people that matter to him. He is delivering
• 36:52
  to his donors which I agree with. That's true.
• 36:55
  When they're making those speeches about I
• 36:59
  deliver for the American people, this is the greatest
• 37:01
  economy ever, et cetera, et cetera, he's talking
• 37:03
  about the people. Yeah I agree with Robby. He's
• 37:05
  talking about it's not our economy. Well, the
• 37:08
  dude is out there on video saying, I do not want
• 37:13
  the price of housing to go down. I don't want
• 37:16
  people to get poor. It's because he's looking
• 37:18
  at housing as an asset, not something that people
• 37:20
  need. Well, declining housing prices
• 37:24
  are a problem economically in a capitalist system,
• 37:27
  right? Obviously, especially in a country where
• 37:30
  ordinary middle-class people—
• 37:33
  the only way they can build wealth is if they
• 37:36
  buy a house and it increases in value. They certainly
• 37:38
  can't put it in the bank. The bank is going to
• 37:40
  give them 1% interest, maybe. That's why
• 37:43
  the kids are for socialism now by the tune of
• 37:45
  like 60%. But that's just the thing though, Ted.
• 37:48
  I'm like, who are the 40%? The house
• 37:51
  is an increasing value. That's the problem. What's
• 37:54
  happening is that the money
• 37:57
  that's in the house is worth less. It's not that
• 38:00
  it's worth more. The house is worth the same.
• 38:04
  The purchasing power of every dollar is going
• 38:06
  down. That's where you need to have more dollars
• 38:08
  in circulation. You're not getting richer. Sure,
• 38:12
  but even if you have inflation, which obviously
• 38:15
  we do, we always have inflation. We have an inflationary
• 38:18
  monetary policy. We do not ever want zero inflation
• 38:21
  in this system. By the way, I'm not saying this
• 38:25
  is the system I want. I'm just saying it's the
• 38:27
  system we have. We need deflation by a massive
• 38:31
  scale. Deflation will crash the economy. It's
• 38:34
  crashing anyway. Then we get communism. Seriously,
• 38:38
  it's crashing anyway. So what's the point? What's
• 38:42
  the point if you can't have—look we haven't.
• 38:46
  Robby, we have a consumer-based economy. Two-
• 38:48
  thirds of all economic activity is based on
• 38:50
  consumerism, right? So the thing is with deflation
• 38:53
  there's no incentive to buy anything now because
• 38:56
  it's only going to get cheaper in the future
• 38:58
  so nobody buys anything. So then what happens
• 39:01
  is stores and factories go under and then
• 39:05
  people who work at those stores and factories
• 39:07
  lose their jobs and then people—okay what are
• 39:10
  you talking about that remain. The point is that
• 39:12
  the people who were truckers, everyone loses their
• 39:15
  jobs and then you end up with the Great Depression.
• 39:18
  Who the hell cares about a lower cost of living?
• 39:21
  Only a communist could say oh my god. If you're—
• 39:24
  I just told you this is under the system we have.
• 39:26
  This is the model we have. This is insane. Okay,
• 39:30
  it might be. I agree with you. Look, we have
• 39:35
  a system where if we don't have 2% to 3% increase
• 39:37
  annually in GDP, the system starts to fall apart.
• 39:42
  Well, obviously, you can't keep building
• 39:45
  and growing all the time forever. It's unsustainable,
• 39:49
  obviously. That's why you need deflation with
• 39:51
  inflation. You're extracting wealth from Mother
• 39:53
  Earth. It's just like she only has so much to
• 39:56
  give. Seriously, what's the point of
• 39:58
  prices going up where profits keep going up for
• 40:01
  a very select few while more and more and more
• 40:04
  people are losing their houses and don't have
• 40:06
  the ability to pay their bills or even be able
• 40:08
  to go out to a restaurant? Those businesses are
• 40:11
  going to close anyway. When the price of diesel
• 40:15
  gets up to $7 or $8 a gallon, who the hell is
• 40:18
  going to be going shopping? Who's going to be
• 40:20
  going to Buffalo Wild Wings? The answer is nobody.
• 40:23
  Yeah. No, that's true, by the way. The gas is
• 40:27
  only going to go up so high because people aren't
• 40:29
  going to be able to afford so much. Yeah, that
• 40:30
  is true. And at a certain point, then you'll
• 40:34
  have a collapse in demand, right? Yes. In which
• 40:37
  case, you should get deflation, which then will
• 40:39
  fix that problem. Deflation will create other
• 40:42
  problems, which will ultimately lead to socialist
• 40:45
  takeover and then Ted Rall's victory. So, yeah.
• 40:48
  Well, then you should be Team Robby on this.
• 40:50
  How do people get houses if houses
• 40:54
  are going to go up in value? Meaning, if I'm
• 40:55
  20 or 30, how do I get married? That's one of
• 40:59
  the big problems here, right? Yeah, and they
• 41:01
  pointed that out to Trump, and that's when Trump
• 41:02
  was like, well, I don't want—
• 41:04
  what do you say, lazy people to get houses or something. You said
• 41:06
  look I think the idea of housing as a
• 41:08
  primary investment strategy is insane.
• 41:12
  Housing should be primarily a roof over your head not an investment.
• 41:16
  And I would rather if you want
• 41:20
  to have people invest in things they should be
• 41:22
  investing in up-and-coming new companies and
• 41:25
  savings accounts should pay a nice respectable
• 41:28
  10% interest. Because banks can easily
• 41:32
  afford it. Those banks that are paying three-
• 41:35
  quarters of one percent in interest,
• 41:37
  they're charging 30 percent on credit cards.
• 41:39
  Right. So they could easily pay 10 percent or
• 41:42
  15 percent interest. And they're choosing not
• 41:44
  to because we don't care because we
• 41:46
  don't agitate. We're still
• 41:51
  in our first hour, but we have a bunch more to
• 41:53
  talk about. I would love to talk about this situation
• 41:55
  in Spain. So sitting in homelessness. Oh, I saw
• 42:02
  that. I love that. So this lady, I was like,
• 42:05
  she's here. This is yeah, they care. Right. But
• 42:08
  it's always interesting because what it shows
• 42:10
  is that there are situations where one minor
• 42:15
  incident sparks a major uprising. We've seen
• 42:17
  that in history over hundreds of years. So what
• 42:20
  happened here is an 87-year-old lady.
• 42:23
  I forget her first name but her last name is Abascal.
• 42:26
  She was paying 500 euros. She's obviously
• 42:30
  a retiree. She's 87 and very medically
• 42:34
  frail. She was paying 500 euros a month rent.
• 42:38
  Then an investment company bought her building
• 42:42
  in Madrid and raised her rent to 2,650 euros,
• 42:47
  which obviously she couldn't afford on
• 42:50
  her fixed income. And so they then agreed.
• 42:56
  She complained. They dropped it to 1,850 euros a
• 43:01
  month. Still, more than tripled.
• 43:04
  She couldn't afford it. So she stopped paying
• 43:06
  and they evicted her. The video of her being
• 43:11
  removed in a hospital gurney from her apartment
• 43:15
  went viral in Spain over the weekend. And maybe
• 43:20
  hundreds of thousands of Spaniards took to the
• 43:24
  streets and they took over and they're occupying
• 43:27
  Puerta del Sol Plaza in downtown Madrid.
• 43:31
  And that's kind of like a
• 43:34
  shades of Tahrir Square kind of
• 43:37
  thing. I don't know if it'll last or not as
• 43:40
  the work week begins. That's always seriously
• 43:42
  sadly and ridiculously a problem in capitalist
• 43:46
  countries where people are like oh I have to
• 43:48
  get back to work. Protest day is over. But I
• 43:51
  hope it lasts. That's true. That's
• 43:56
  true. But maybe call in sick or whatever.
• 43:58
  But the Spanish are up in arms over
• 44:02
  this. They have the same problems that the rest
• 44:04
  of us have with they're blaming vulture funds,
• 44:08
  which are these investment funds that are
• 44:10
  scooping up buildings. Obviously, there's no
• 44:13
  rent control in her building and many actually
• 44:16
  Spain has one of the lowest rates of rent
• 44:18
  control or stabilization in all of Europe. And
• 44:22
  so, without the social guarantees,
• 44:24
  people are being tossed out on the streets. And
• 44:26
  at a certain point, enough is enough.
• 44:29
  It's kind of like when people say, well, when
• 44:31
  will there be a revolution? It's going
• 44:34
  to be something like this, right? Yeah, something
• 44:36
  that sparks it off. Occupy Wall Street
• 44:39
  was similar. I'm sorry, Yellow Vest is what came
• 44:43
  to mind. And Occupy came to mind, too, because
• 44:46
  some of them were sleeping out there,
• 44:49
  having their tents and everything else and
• 44:51
  occupying the square. I guess the question as
• 44:53
  you point out, how long will they occupy the square
• 44:55
  over this and will it gain any kind of political
• 44:58
  repercussions from it. The thing is the
• 45:02
  Yellow Vest movement actually did get political
• 45:04
  concessions. They were out there for
• 45:07
  a year and a half. They got 70 to 80 percent
• 45:09
  of the public to agree with them on it and Macron
• 45:12
  did have to give them political concessions in
• 45:14
  order to lessen the impact of the sit-in. I guess
• 45:19
  the question is, does this have legs? I guess
• 45:23
  that's the question. Their reasoning is right.
• 45:28
  They're doing God's work. Oh, for sure.
• 45:31
  And it is disgusting. It is always kind of fascinating.
• 45:34
  This kind of shit's been going
• 45:36
  on day after day, year after year. And I'm sure
• 45:40
  there are even more heartbreaking scenes that
• 45:42
  somehow just didn't catch, weren't
• 45:45
  videotaped or were videotaped and just didn't
• 45:47
  make it. And it's always kind of like,
• 45:50
  as a student of history, you have to always ask
• 45:52
  yourself, why this and not these other
• 45:55
  things? Why is this the lightning rod?
• 45:57
  I don't know. This goes to Chris Hedges
• 46:00
  makes this point of the point of doing good
• 46:02
  is the good and the hope that the good follows
• 46:05
  the fact that you've done good and it's not that
• 46:07
  you know, right? Right. People do things all the
• 46:10
  time that don't necessarily gain credibility,
• 46:13
  gain credit, the media is not there to watch it,
• 46:16
  et cetera, et cetera, and they just go by the radar.
• 46:18
  And as you point out, a random event meaning that
• 46:22
  woman's saying I'm not paying you. I'm staying
• 46:25
  in my house. You're going to have to take me
• 46:27
  out of my house. It's kind of like Greenland,
• 46:29
  right? If Trump wants Greenland, make him
• 46:31
  take it. And same thing here. If you want this
• 46:34
  house, you're going to have to take it. You're
• 46:35
  going to have to drag me out in a gurney if necessary.
• 46:39
  And they did. Yeah, and they did. But the fact
• 46:42
  that they did is the thing that became a lightning
• 46:46
  rod in and of itself. Meaning the fact that she
• 46:47
  stood up for herself is the thing that became
• 46:50
  a lightning rod. And then taking out a woman
• 46:52
  that is literally on her deathbed. It's so
• 46:56
  just so disgusting. Foul. Yeah. At a certain
• 47:02
  point I always wonder, okay
• 47:04
  so that company that owns her building, it has
• 47:08
  a CEO. They're like they
• 47:12
  see this, oh this is going viral.
• 47:16
  I'm sure someone inside the company brought this to the boss and
• 47:18
  said, hey, listen, we've got a situation on Instagram,
• 47:22
  right? And they're like, eh, keep going. Yeah,
• 47:28
  stay the course. It's good. That's the part that
• 47:31
  fascinates me instead of, you know what?
• 47:33
  Maybe put the brakes on this right now. We can
• 47:36
  throw the bitch out when she's 89, right? But
• 47:40
  it's too late. Everybody knows. Yeah, but people
• 47:44
  forget, right? I know, but even if the CEO says,
• 47:47
  okay, okay, take her back in. And they take her
• 47:49
  back in the gurney. Oh, well, it's too late now.
• 47:51
  No, I'm saying before the eviction. I'm saying,
• 47:54
  yeah. Oh, you're right. You're right. Good point.
• 47:56
  He just apologized and said, oh, we didn't know.
• 47:59
  We're sorry. Blah, blah, blah. Didn't know what?
• 48:04
  Didn't know they were evicting or didn't know
• 48:05
  they were increasing the cost to $2,800 or whatever
• 48:08
  that number is going to be. He knew all that
• 48:09
  stuff. They thought she was grifting on that
• 48:11
  sweet, sweet retirement cash. Who is she
• 48:15
  to take advantage of this poor innocent investment
• 48:17
  fund? At the point where they take her
• 48:20
  out it's too late. The video has gone viral. So
• 48:22
  they're asking—the demand is interesting. They're
• 48:24
  asking for leases in perpetuity. But obviously
• 48:29
  that's counter to capitalism, right? A lease
• 48:32
  in perpetuity is called communism. Yeah. Yeah. That's
• 48:36
  my freeze. Yeah. Basically the
• 48:39
  actual rent freeze. Hey the rents are too
• 48:41
  high. Well, honestly, I don't even understand
• 48:45
  why there's any country where landlords are allowed
• 48:47
  to increase the rent faster than the rate of
• 48:51
  inflation. By the way, they did that in Maryland.
• 48:55
  We were in that place. I think we're paying $2,000
• 48:59
  or something
• 49:02
  like that. And they increased the rent by like
• 49:05
  20% on a whim. Oh.
• 49:12
  That was my experience, right? So in Manhattan, I moved into my apartment
• 49:16
  in Manhattan at about—so I was paying $3,300
• 49:21
  a month. And they just kept increasing it
• 49:25
  really quick. And by the time I left that apartment,
• 49:29
  they wanted $5,300 a month. And what's so hilarious
• 49:35
  is I broke my lease mid-
• 49:38
  year, right, and they wanted to charge
• 49:41
  me tens of thousands of dollars to break
• 49:43
  my lease and all that and I looked up the law and apparently
• 49:49
  they have to make a good faith effort to find
• 49:52
  someone else. They can't just charge you,
• 49:54
  right, but they're trying to break the law because
• 49:56
  they're landlords and landlords are scum.
• 49:59
  And so anyway they were lying
• 50:02
  like oh we can't find anyone. Then I saw
• 50:05
  on Corcoran or whatever, oh there's
• 50:08
  my apartment and they're asking $5,700 and they
• 50:11
  got it. They got some poor sucker to pay fifty-
• 50:16
  seven hundred dollars for my two-bedroom apartment
• 50:18
  not in a luxury building not in a luxury neighborhood
• 50:22
  at all. Wow. So yeah it's just insane.
• 50:30
  Seriously I would if they were
• 50:32
  cooking those people
• 50:34
  like Joan of Arc I would bring marshmallows. By
• 50:38
  the way, this is an issue in Portugal also.
• 50:41
  It's an issue in a few European cities. Like
• 50:43
  where Airbnb, what is it, Vrbo, some of
• 50:46
  these other things that buy up things for people
• 50:48
  to rent, stuff like that, where they've been
• 50:50
  increasing the price of it because these were
• 50:52
  low-priced locations. Like Portugal wasn't an
• 50:56
  expensive location to go in rent-wise, food-
• 50:58
  wise, or anything else. But the prices have
• 51:00
  been going up, which has been detrimental to
• 51:02
  the people who live in those locations. And that
• 51:04
  woman is probably a victim of that too. They
• 51:07
  look at it and say, hey, I can rent this
• 51:08
  place for $3,000. Meaning for people who are
• 51:13
  coming from out of the country or something like
• 51:15
  that. But if I rent it, for example, if
• 51:17
  I was in, it costs more for me to rent than it
• 51:21
  does for me. That sounds weird. It costs more
• 51:23
  for me to rent as a vacationer than it does for
• 51:27
  somebody to just rent for the year.
• 51:30
  Meaning if I live in Portugal or Spain and I
• 51:32
  decide to rent a place for a year, okay, maybe
• 51:33
  $1,200 a month. It may be less, maybe $800
• 51:38
  a month. If I am renting Airbnb the number
• 51:42
  goes like a thousand, two thousand, et cetera.
• 51:46
  Even here in the States, if I'm renting an
• 51:47
  apartment here at—oh what was the name of
• 51:51
  that place. What was the name. I can't think of
• 51:52
  the name of the place. It was about two thousand
• 51:57
  twenty-two hundred dollars a month if you were renting
• 51:58
  month by month. If you
• 52:01
  rent it might be sixteen hundred dollars if you
• 52:03
  just rent it for the year. Meaning they're paying
• 52:07
  more for that and everybody's prices are going
• 52:09
  up. I know the explanation was not good. I apologize.
• 52:12
  But basically, everybody's rent is going up as
• 52:15
  a result of the Airbnbs, the Vrbos, and these
• 52:18
  type of businesses that are in play. It's crazy
• 52:20
  because last year, my family and I, we were renting
• 52:27
  a house here in Kalispell. And the landlord
• 52:31
  early last year, she said, oh, by the way, we're
• 52:34
  going to increase the cost of your rent by $700
• 52:37
  a month. That's insane. And they just started
• 52:40
  giggling. I said, I'm going to assume that you
• 52:42
  can't afford that. I said, no, I can't afford
• 52:45
  that. I said, that's good because I have a family
• 52:47
  from California who will be coming in. So I need
• 52:49
  you out on your day, on the last day. So it's
• 52:53
  not just people coming in from outside the country.
• 52:56
  It's people who are fleeing the coast, who are
• 52:59
  coming. In this case, it's a family that went
• 53:01
  to Texas from California. Decided Texas is too
• 53:06
  hot. They didn't like it. Just too flat, too
• 53:08
  hot. So now they're coming up here to Montana.
• 53:10
  So that way they can just be here. And so for
• 53:15
  the same price, I was paying for a house with
• 53:19
  a big yard. It was a gorgeous house. We downsized
• 53:23
  to an apartment. Ted, you've been here. That
• 53:27
  is made out of a shipping container. I kid you
• 53:31
  not. It's true. It's the same cost. And that
• 53:36
  is indicative of the housing crisis that the
• 53:39
  people in this country are facing. And that's
• 53:42
  why I keep saying is that the government wants
• 53:45
  the American population to be a population of
• 53:47
  renters and not owners. Because if you don't own it,
• 53:52
  you're not invested in it. You're less likely
• 53:55
  to defend something you do not own versus something
• 53:58
  that you do. That's one of the reasons John Smith
• 54:01
  made Jamestown work. He made it where people
• 54:02
  were actually able to own property. They were
• 54:05
  then willing to work it. It belonged to the king.
• 54:07
  It was yours. It was something that you owned,
• 54:09
  something you're able to pass down. They don't
• 54:11
  want that anymore. And as that happens... Well,
• 54:14
  they don't want us to own anything, right?
• 54:15
  You don't want to. Like young people.
• 54:18
  If they have a car, they lease a car. Otherwise,
• 54:21
  they take a Lyft or an Uber. They're leasing
• 54:26
  equipment. There's no property ownership anymore.
• 54:31
  So it's like we're all disposable. You work remotely.
• 54:36
  It's so easy to fire you. There's no office for
• 54:40
  you to come into and shoot up and going postal.
• 54:43
  They just literally just turn off your password
• 54:45
  and you're bye-bye. I got to be honest with
• 54:52
  you. I think it's just mechanics. I think they're
• 54:56
  apathetic. I think the mechanics of the system
• 54:58
  works this way. I can make more money off of
• 55:02
  you if you don't own and if you just continuously
• 55:05
  rent. I can continue to own it. You continue
• 55:07
  to rent it. The same thing is true for Ubers.
• 55:09
  The same thing is true for houses or apartments.
• 55:11
  The same thing is true across the board. I can
• 55:14
  make more money off of you if I can leech off
• 55:16
  of you over the course of time, meaning that's
• 55:19
  more of a mechanics issue. That's like, if you
• 55:21
  were thinking about it, I don't think it's a
• 55:23
  master plan. I think it's
• 55:25
  the thing. It's systemic. It doesn't mean that
• 55:27
  there's a cadre of conspiratorial
• 55:31
  Rothschilds figuring it all out. I
• 55:34
  think the mechanics of it drives particular behavior.
• 55:37
  And part of the behavior is how do we maximize
• 55:39
  our profit? Oh, I know. By getting people to
• 55:41
  rent as opposed to having people own.
• 55:44
  As people do what BlackRock does on a smaller
• 55:46
  scale there's no difference. What do you call
• 55:49
  it? Yeah or it's like scooping up neighborhoods
• 55:50
  like in Newark, New Jersey, historically black
• 55:53
  homeownership neighborhood and then
• 55:56
  basically buying these
• 55:58
  homes and then turning them into rental properties
• 56:00
  at exorbitant rents. What the real question is
• 56:03
  going to be is that what's going to happen though.
• 56:05
  You mentioned Uber. A lot of people are no longer
• 56:08
  doing Uber because the cost of gas is so high.
• 56:10
  They're not making any money doing Uber. It costs
• 56:13
  them to go to work. At this point, just trapped
• 56:17
  in the house or trapped in my apartment. This
• 56:20
  morning, there was a piece on local NPR in New
• 56:23
  York City where they were talking about all the
• 56:26
  cab drivers who have been committing suicide
• 56:28
  because they can't afford their medallions in
• 56:33
  New York City. You have to own a medallion in
• 56:35
  order to have a yellow cab. The prices went way
• 56:38
  up. And then Uber and Lyft came in and destroyed
• 56:42
  the yellow taxi business. And so the price of
• 56:45
  the medallions went down, but you still owe the
• 56:48
  debt on it. And you can drive 60 hours a day
• 56:52
  and you're still never going to be able to pay
• 56:53
  off that debt. Wow. That was an issue in Kenya
• 56:56
  too. I remember when I was talking to one of
• 56:58
  the Uber drivers and he was pointing out how,
• 57:01
  I think he said the king. Well, the president
• 57:04
  had a deal with Uber that effectively screwed
• 57:06
  over the Uber drivers in regards to the amount
• 57:08
  they get paid and how they have this deal where
• 57:11
  you drive the taxi for X amount of time and you'll
• 57:14
  be able to get the car that you're using for
• 57:17
  it. They would supply the car, but you have
• 57:18
  to pay for the car back and it costs a certain
• 57:20
  amount. It was like all of these deals and
• 57:22
  everything else that they had associated with
• 57:24
  Uber in Kenya. Now, that's a shame because the
• 57:30
  reason they're committing suicide is they can't
• 57:32
  see a way out. They look at it and say we can't
• 57:33
  afford this. We're broke. We are, etc. And it's for
• 57:37
  financial reasons predominantly. That's and
• 57:39
  they're probably some of them are made to feel ashamed
• 57:42
  even though none of this is their fault,
• 57:44
  right? Because again it's individual,
• 57:46
  right? It's on you. The individual has failed, not a
• 57:50
  system has failed me. It's me. I did this. I failed.
• 57:54
  I screwed up, right? So I'm very interested
• 57:58
  to see what happens. We'll continue to watch
• 58:00
  this story and bring you up to date. So we're
• 58:04
  coming into the second hour here of “DeProgram.”
• 58:06
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  got among other things to talk about, the
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  Republicans who are running scared in the midterm
• 59:33
  elections and also the British police who claim
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  to have possibly disrupted a terrorist plot against
• 59:43
  an airbase in Great Britain. All right. Iran
• 59:46
  has something to do with it. Of course. So where
• 59:51
  shall we go? Let's see. I think we have a few
• 59:53
  comments here. Okay, real quick. The answer,
• 59:57
  Robby, is space is curved and contorted. And
• 1:00:00
  so moving through space gets also contorted
• 1:00:03
  into the black hole itself. It's not that...
• 1:00:06
  Okay, that's the answer. Okay. I'm sorry. All
• 1:00:10
  right, all right. That's a carryover from 59
• 1:00:12
  minutes ago. All right, maybe Bluth Funk, Bakunin
• 1:00:16
  about communism. Being beaten with a stick doesn't
• 1:00:18
  feel any better when it's called the people's
• 1:00:20
  stick. No, it does not. Deflation is what the
• 1:00:34
  elites are terrified of. It's the only thing
• 1:00:36
  that terrifies them, I bet. Yeah, because all
• 1:00:38
  of their investments would suddenly be worth
• 1:00:40
  nothing. Philip Blair. Oh my God, that hurts
• 1:00:44
  my heart. That hurts my heart so much. Jeff Bezos
• 1:00:47
  won't be worth billions and billions. He'll be
• 1:00:50
  worth millions. Poor guy. Only billions, not
• 1:00:52
  billions and billions. Philip Blair, I support
• 1:00:55
  life imprisonment for people who corrupt the
• 1:00:57
  housing market, just like in People's China.
• 1:01:01
  So, John D. Rockefeller, I find the French to
• 1:01:06
  be pretty lame broadly, but French farmers blasting
• 1:01:09
  government buildings with cow shit is top-tier
• 1:01:12
  hilarity. Agreed. Patlantis, not sure if you
• 1:01:15
  guys saw, but on Twitter, there was a survey
• 1:01:17
  going around that would chart political beliefs
• 1:01:19
  based on how one answered questions and gave
• 1:01:21
  historical camps and figures based on the answers.
• 1:01:25
  I did see it. But you and I took a test. We did.
• 1:01:28
  It was not the same one, though, right? Yeah,
• 1:01:30
  it was a different one. Because I think the new
• 1:01:32
  one is like, who do you line up with as a political
• 1:01:34
  character, as a political person? Are you
• 1:01:36
  Xi Jinping? Are you Putin? Are you Trump? Are
• 1:01:39
  you? Well, Robby is Kim Jong-un.
• 1:01:44
  I'm not even kidding. Not even kidding. That's
• 1:01:47
  literally what happened there. So, okay, so what
• 1:01:53
  do you want to talk about, Jamarl? Shall we
• 1:01:54
  do the Republicans running scared in the midterms?
• 1:01:58
  Yeah, the Republicans running scared is funny
• 1:01:59
  to me. Look, Donald Trump putting that
• 1:02:02
  video out. I kept making the argument that Trump
• 1:02:04
  is on the ballot. He is too ubiquitous to not
• 1:02:07
  be on the ballot. And the Republicans that effectively
• 1:02:11
  lined up to back any and everything that Donald
• 1:02:14
  Trump has did because they were terrified of
• 1:02:15
  Trump. Okay, now is judgment day because he is
• 1:02:19
  so ubiquitous and now he's coming out with campaign
• 1:02:22
  ads and he's having stupid halfway political
• 1:02:26
  events that is supposed to be a—
• 1:02:30
  what did he call this campaign event—that usually takes
• 1:02:33
  place during presidential elections but Donald
• 1:02:35
  Trump decided to have one during the midterms
• 1:02:38
  which is a little bit different. And
• 1:02:41
  it's ultimately not going to matter. He's on
• 1:02:43
  the ballot. You can't run from him. He even says
• 1:02:47
  it. He says it at the rally. Right. He's like,
• 1:02:49
  I'm on the ballot. Tell everyone I'm
• 1:02:52
  on the ballot. And he is. And he is.
• 1:02:56
  He's not wrong. Okay, so. There's a bunch
• 1:03:00
  of stuff to unpack here. First of all, a lot
• 1:03:04
  of the Republican candidates who are now saying
• 1:03:07
  they want the war to come to an end, of course,
• 1:03:08
  just like the Democrats, they have no concern
• 1:03:11
  whatsoever for the Iranians we're murdering with
• 1:03:14
  abandon for no good reason. But they're worried
• 1:03:18
  about prices and everything. I guess
• 1:03:22
  they got permission from the RNC to break loose
• 1:03:27
  and get themselves a little wiggle room if they're
• 1:03:29
  in a swing district. Please let us criticize
• 1:03:33
  the war, not the president. It's like, okay,
• 1:03:36
  you can do that a little bit. It's less than
• 1:03:39
  two months before the election, a lot less. And
• 1:03:42
  these are people who in many cases voted for
• 1:03:45
  funding the war, voted against the War Powers
• 1:03:50
  Resolution. There were two of them at least so
• 1:03:53
  far. These are people who supported the
• 1:03:56
  war or in many cases talked about what a good
• 1:03:59
  idea it was to attack Iran. Are the voters
• 1:04:03
  going to listen to them at this stage?
• 1:04:06
  It's the most transparent thing in the
• 1:04:08
  world. Sometimes the most transparent
• 1:04:10
  thing in the world works sometimes. And I just
• 1:04:13
  don't know if this is one of those times. I am
• 1:04:16
  very skeptical that that will work. I am very
• 1:04:19
  skeptical. The war is too big. Meaning they
• 1:04:22
  know. Because what I think is happening is a
• 1:04:25
  translation. They know Trump is the one that
• 1:04:27
  pushed the war. And you get like 80% of the
• 1:04:30
  public saying, we hate the fact that Trump is
• 1:04:32
  at war. Now, they hate the fact that gas prices
• 1:04:34
  have gone up less about the Trump at war, but
• 1:04:36
  whatever. We hate the fact that Trump is at war.
• 1:04:38
  Maybe for the voters, those two things are the
• 1:04:41
  same thing. Yeah, I think they're the same thing.
• 1:04:44
  I think from the standpoint of them and Trump,
• 1:04:46
  the war, Republicans, I think there's an easy
• 1:04:49
  line to that. And I think they're going to have
• 1:04:53
  a hard time pulling away from that. And by the
• 1:04:56
  way, people may just want Democrats in office
• 1:04:58
  as a foil for whatever Trump is. Meaning it may
• 1:05:01
  not even be about anything specific to the Republican
• 1:05:05
  per se. Meaning that candidate could say, I hate
• 1:05:07
  Trump. And she could say it all she wants. They
• 1:05:10
  may want her out to have a Democrat in to put
• 1:05:12
  a kibosh on whatever Trump is doing from the
• 1:05:14
  standpoint of Congress. So I think Trump is on
• 1:05:16
  the ballot either way. And they could scream
• 1:05:19
  all they want. We don't like Trump. Trump is
• 1:05:21
  horrible. We don't like the war. Blah, blah,
• 1:05:22
  blah. Too late. Agreed. House and Senate. Again,
• 1:05:28
  left testicle. I'm putting it up on the betting
• 1:05:31
  thing. Republicans are losers. If I was an Iranian
• 1:05:36
  politician, I would make an ad with Trump. I
• 1:05:40
  would change it and say, Mexico paying for the
• 1:05:41
  wall. The American people are going to pay to
• 1:05:44
  rebuild Iran. Iran's going to be made great again.
• 1:05:47
  Paid for by the American consumer. Thank you,
• 1:05:51
  America. We love you. And they're right. Thanks
• 1:05:53
  for that. Yeah. They got those Lego videos,
• 1:05:57
  and apparently those Lego videos have been bugging
• 1:05:58
  the hell out of Marco Rubio. When you get
• 1:06:04
  a political person mentioning those stupid
• 1:06:06
  Lego videos, it's like, oh, so they're working.
• 1:06:09
  Yeah, and it never goes away, right? Thomas
• 1:06:13
  Nast, editorial cartoonists, it's always
• 1:06:15
  quote Thomas. What was it? Boss Tweed. Boss
• 1:06:20
  Tweed was angry at Thomas Nast and other political
• 1:06:22
  cartoonists of the era. And he was like, stop
• 1:06:25
  those damn pictures. And it's been
• 1:06:28
  over, it's been like 150 years and editorial
• 1:06:30
  cartoonists still quote it. People don't even
• 1:06:33
  know who Boss Tweed was now, but yeah.
• 1:06:37
  So it's like, you just look ridiculous when
• 1:06:39
  satire is getting under your skin, you look
• 1:06:41
  absurd. It's funny though, right? Cause it means
• 1:06:45
  it's working. They're doing those
• 1:06:47
  Lego videos and it means the videos are working.
• 1:06:49
  You've got somebody who's in the political space
• 1:06:52
  admitting or just acknowledging the fact that
• 1:06:55
  you've been doing these Lego videos. I would
• 1:06:57
  have never acknowledged those videos. I will
• 1:07:00
  give Trump credit. He never talks
• 1:07:04
  about political cartooning ever. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:07:07
  It's probably wise. Okay. So Phileas
• 1:07:10
  Fob, the lessons from Big Tobacco, Big Oil, Big
• 1:07:13
  Pharma etc. If you want to commit a crime make
• 1:07:16
  it too big to prosecute. Yeah but all
• 1:07:22
  of those had to do with the consumers using those
• 1:07:25
  products. It's kind of hard to ban cigarettes
• 1:07:29
  when you get 30, 40% of the public smoking cigarettes.
• 1:07:32
  True. True, true, true. Very hard to do that. People
• 1:07:36
  can feel some kind of way about that. Same thing
• 1:07:37
  with alcohol. Same thing with oil and gas. Yeah
• 1:07:40
  they're addicted. Yeah, it's addictive. The moment
• 1:07:43
  that you get a huge market for it, it's very
• 1:07:44
  hard to go to the public and say, all right,
• 1:07:46
  we're going to ban this product. That thing that
• 1:07:48
  we got you addicted to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're
• 1:07:52
  taking that away from you. Yeah, no. So,
• 1:07:55
  look, I agree with you. Should they ban
• 1:07:58
  cigarettes? Oh, 100%. Should they ban alcohol?
• 1:08:01
  Yeah. Really? And you'd do that? I would do that.
• 1:08:05
  Yeah. Let me put it this way. If I came to power,
• 1:08:08
  would it be? Well, I think I would ban cigarettes
• 1:08:11
  first because there's some—cigarettes
• 1:08:16
  are worse than alcohol. Cigarettes kill people.
• 1:08:21
  So does alcohol, right, if you drunk
• 1:08:23
  drive. But wine has some possibly
• 1:08:28
  positive health effects maybe, in terms
• 1:08:32
  of heart disease and stuff like that. But cigarettes,
• 1:08:36
  there's no benefit whatsoever. Oh, I guess weight
• 1:08:38
  loss, right? Nicotine increases your testosterone
• 1:08:47
  count. So there's that. So if you want more aggressive
• 1:08:51
  men, then smoking actually helps. Is that serious?
• 1:08:54
  Is that true? Yeah, nicotine increases testosterone.
• 1:08:58
  It's also a stimulant.
• 1:09:01
  So if you have a government that's trying to drug you
• 1:09:03
  into submission, then maybe you should start
• 1:09:05
  smoking more tobacco. Yeah, our government bans
• 1:09:07
  stimulants and it legalizes depressants.
• 1:09:15
  See, this gets to my libertarian
• 1:09:18
  side. I get that. I understand the point
• 1:09:21
  of getting rid of it because it's dangerous as shit.
• 1:09:24
  And there's no health benefit for it
• 1:09:27
  in reality, right? But if I was a random person
• 1:09:34
  who grew tobacco and started smoking it, would
• 1:09:37
  you put me in jail for it? If you just grew your
• 1:09:40
  own? Yeah. No, no, no. First of all, I don't
• 1:09:43
  believe in criminalization. I would.
• 1:09:46
  Then how is it against the law?
• 1:09:49
  You could make some. Well, okay, so for the same
• 1:09:51
  way that Russian vodka was against the law
• 1:09:54
  or Cuban cigars during the Cold War, it's
• 1:09:58
  illegal. But it's not criminalized. In other
• 1:10:01
  words, you just can't get it. It's like
• 1:10:03
  stores can't sell it. If you happen to
• 1:10:06
  get one and someone smuggles a bottle from Moscow
• 1:10:09
  in their luggage and you get it, good for you.
• 1:10:12
  Enjoy. But it's basically like it's not
• 1:10:15
  like a cannabis dispensary where you can roll
• 1:10:17
  up in your car and just get as much as you want.
• 1:10:20
  I know, but you're making a black market
• 1:10:21
  the moment you do that, right? True. True, true,
• 1:10:24
  true. So you're okay with the black market? Well,
• 1:10:27
  yeah, if it significantly reduces consumption,
• 1:10:31
  that would be the point. Look, let's
• 1:10:33
  face it. A lot more, for example, a lot more
• 1:10:36
  people smoke weed now under legalization than
• 1:10:38
  did before, just because it's more frictionless.
• 1:10:41
  True, but 70% of the public has smoked weed
• 1:10:44
  prior, before legalization. Sure, but I bet the
• 1:10:46
  overall volume of weed being consumed per capita
• 1:10:49
  by the American public is a lot higher. True,
• 1:10:52
  I accept that. I do accept that. But I guess
• 1:10:54
  I'm pointing out, though, that they were putting
• 1:10:55
  people in jail for weed. True, which they should
• 1:10:59
  never ought to have. Yeah. So under Ted Rall,
• 1:11:04
  Ted Rall accepts the black market, but Ted Rall
• 1:11:06
  doesn't accept the black market. The black market
• 1:11:11
  has its place. Also, it's not a bad thing for
• 1:11:14
  some people to feel like they have something
• 1:11:16
  sneaky going on. I think it's good for—I've
• 1:11:19
  always had this theory that psychologically everyone
• 1:11:21
  should have at least one secret. Right.
• 1:11:25
  It doesn't have to be something
• 1:11:27
  serious like, oh, I'm also a spy for the
• 1:11:30
  FSB. Right. But although it
• 1:11:35
  can be that. But I think it's like
• 1:11:38
  everyone should have something going on.
• 1:11:41
  Somebody at work. Yeah. Somebody in
• 1:11:45
  this other place that you got someone.
• 1:11:47
  Those do your sexting or whatever you're up to.
• 1:11:50
  Everyone needs a secret in order
• 1:11:52
  to make them feel fully human. I was—it's exciting.
• 1:11:57
  I was challenged on my claim about testosterone
• 1:12:00
  being increased by nicotine. I just dropped
• 1:12:03
  the sources in the chat so it's right there.
• 1:12:06
  It's right there baby. Take a look. Your
• 1:12:09
  producer's got you. Okay thank you.
• 1:12:14
  So, yeah, so, all right, let's see. Do we want
• 1:12:20
  to leave that there about the... Yeah, do we
• 1:12:24
  have any comments? Well, looks like, let's see.
• 1:12:29
  Okay, a few. Mac's ace history, and we should
• 1:12:33
  know to never count Trump out despite his AP
• 1:12:36
  rating. I'm counting him out. Yeah, I'm counting
• 1:12:39
  him out too. Because technically, Trump
• 1:12:43
  is not on the ballot. This is not like he
• 1:12:45
  just doesn't care about this election very clearly.
• 1:12:49
  But he should care because they're going
• 1:12:52
  to be trying to put a thing in his woolly hide,
• 1:12:55
  a spear in his woolly hide coming up.
• 1:12:59
  I don't know if they're going to impeach him
• 1:13:00
  but Lord knows they're going to give him all
• 1:13:02
  sorts of hell. They hate his guts with the passion
• 1:13:05
  of a thousand burning suns. And the Senate. Yeah
• 1:13:10
  they're going to go after him and I kind of admit
• 1:13:13
  the entire base wants them to, by the way. A
• 1:13:15
  year from now, when we're in that world, I think
• 1:13:18
  we're going to be talking here on this show and
• 1:13:20
  say it's going to be like Democrats.
• 1:13:23
  You still haven't done anything about affordability.
• 1:13:25
  You haven't done anything about the housing crisis.
• 1:13:28
  It's all Trump, Trump, Trump all the time. Emoluments
• 1:13:31
  this, emoluments that. All true. I would have
• 1:13:35
  no problem if Democratic House and
• 1:13:37
  Senate were going after Trump but also working
• 1:13:41
  on the people's business. But they're not going
• 1:13:43
  to. It's going to be nothing but this. Well,
• 1:13:45
  I don't think they're going to work on the people's
• 1:13:45
  business at all. I don't think so either.
• 1:13:47
  They may go after Trump. And you may get a lot
• 1:13:49
  of Democrats that are okay with that bargain.
• 1:13:52
  Yeah. Meaning they're okay with the idea
• 1:13:54
  of, okay, if they just go after Trump, at least
• 1:13:56
  they're doing something that we care about. In
• 1:13:58
  this case, you mean Democrats care about. Two
• 1:14:00
  years from now, when it's the presidential election,
• 1:14:04
  if the Democrats have spent the last two years
• 1:14:06
  just trying to nail Trump, isn't
• 1:14:11
  that going to hurt them in the presidential in
• 1:14:13
  2028? Yes. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Because that
• 1:14:18
  would be the exact same thing that they did for
• 1:14:19
  the last what, eight years. Yeah. Like going after
• 1:14:23
  Trump has been their thing. Even
• 1:14:26
  when Kamala Harris was running, it was all about
• 1:14:29
  Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump. She might have put
• 1:14:31
  out an economic program for each race, which
• 1:14:34
  is a little bit weird. For the most part. She
• 1:14:37
  was like, this is the black plan. I forgot about
• 1:14:39
  that. Here's the Pacific Islanders. Here's the
• 1:14:45
  plan for the Japanese. For them to say.
• 1:14:52
  Yeah, it's very weird to do that, right? As opposed
• 1:14:53
  to making a plan for all of America. But besides
• 1:14:56
  the point, it was all about Trump. Trump is going
• 1:14:59
  to kill Liz Cheney. Donald Trump is going to
• 1:15:01
  have firing squads. Donald Trump is going to
• 1:15:03
  do this. Donald Trump is going to do that. He's
• 1:15:04
  going to put us in chains. All of that stuff.
• 1:15:07
  That didn't work. And I get the sense that in
• 1:15:09
  two years, if it's all about Trump and the president
• 1:15:13
  is running, they're going to lose it.
• 1:15:16
  Honestly, what they should have been crafting
• 1:15:18
  is, I think you're right, a plan,
• 1:15:21
  a project for an American century from the Democrats. Yeah.
• 1:15:25
  Project 2029. Yeah this is what we want to do
• 1:15:28
  and they stick to it like a laser.
• 1:15:32
  This is what we want to do. Oh man. That's not
• 1:15:34
  the Democratic way. They can't even keep up their
• 1:15:37
  messaging points much less their policies. Kilroy
• 1:15:40
  suggests outlaw foreign countries from owning
• 1:15:44
  property, aggressively deport illegal criminals,
• 1:15:48
  put illegal immigrants on path to citizenship,
• 1:15:50
  ban export of funds via Western Union MoneyGram,
• 1:15:54
  ban—what is that? Hijabs? I don't know. Oh,
• 1:16:01
  H-1Bs. I see. Well, I totally agree with banning
• 1:16:06
  H-1Bs. We can take these one at a time, all right?
• 1:16:08
  So outlaw foreign countries from owning property.
• 1:16:12
  I can argue that either way. I don't give a shit
• 1:16:14
  about the right of foreigners to buy American
• 1:16:16
  property. I don't care if they don't. It's like
• 1:16:19
  if someone wants to ban that, I'm okay with that.
• 1:16:21
  Whatever. It does inflate our housing
• 1:16:25
  prices. Aggressively deport illegal criminals.
• 1:16:30
  I would say, yeah, illegal criminals, yeah, you
• 1:16:33
  guys can go. But I would say only felons.
• 1:16:36
  And even then, depends on the felony,
• 1:16:38
  right? If they cheat on their taxes or something
• 1:16:41
  that's not quite the same as a violent. I'd say
• 1:16:43
  violent felons can go. Put illegal immigrants
• 1:16:47
  on path to citizenship. Agreed. I might.
• 1:16:51
  This might sound like a little bit Robby-ish. I would
• 1:16:54
  say give people who are illegal a timeline.
• 1:16:58
  Like you have five years to get on
• 1:17:01
  the path to permanent residency, right? You have
• 1:17:03
  to make a move. You can't just dick around, right?
• 1:17:06
  And ban export of funds via Western Union
• 1:17:11
  MoneyGrams. I see I can't agree
• 1:17:14
  with that. Under a capitalist system you
• 1:17:17
  have to have the free flow of capital
• 1:17:20
  internationally and I just don't think that
• 1:17:22
  would be right. I would tax the hell out of it. Well I think what he's
• 1:17:29
  talking about is people coming to the country
• 1:17:30
  sending money back to—yeah where so like that's
• 1:17:32
  what he's doing. They live in Mexico or Honduras.
• 1:17:36
  They come to the U.S., work, send the money
• 1:17:38
  back. I think he's talking about that. Yeah,
• 1:17:40
  that's what he's talking about. And, yeah, I
• 1:17:43
  kind of think that, because the problem
• 1:17:45
  is if you attack that, then it's like, I have
• 1:17:48
  a French bank account. Why shouldn't I be able
• 1:17:49
  to send money to my French bank account?
• 1:17:51
  You know what I mean? No, here's how you do it.
• 1:17:55
  Say, for example, if Guatemala refuses
• 1:17:57
  to take back its citizens that are trying to
• 1:18:00
  be deported. Then if someone tries to send money
• 1:18:02
  to Guatemala, you just cut them off. And that
• 1:18:04
  way it will incentivize them to take their people
• 1:18:06
  back. I'm not sure the Honduran government is
• 1:18:11
  going to care if Juan Gonzalez doesn't happen
• 1:18:14
  to be able to get his funds. Tens of thousands
• 1:18:17
  of ones, though, that makes a difference because
• 1:18:19
  that money goes straight into their economy.
• 1:18:21
  They'll care. I don't know. I just don't know
• 1:18:24
  how much that money is. Also, I think anything
• 1:18:27
  that involves sanctions and impoverishing the
• 1:18:30
  poorest and most vulnerable, hardworking people,
• 1:18:33
  it's just like that rubs me the wrong way. So
• 1:18:36
  you have no problem with the American people
• 1:18:37
  being— Oh, I have lots of problems with that.
• 1:18:40
  Well, then pick one. Pick a team, Ted. You know
• 1:18:43
  which team I'm on. Well, then you should be Team
• 1:18:46
  Robby and Team Kilroy on this. This is about
• 1:18:48
  how to do it, not what to do. Okay, ban H-1Bs.
• 1:18:53
  H-1B visas should not be legal as long as the
• 1:18:56
  unemployment rate in the United States is over
• 1:18:58
  zero. It depends. I agree on principle,
• 1:19:03
  but it depends. Like when a nurse, let me ask
• 1:19:05
  you this, when a nurse or doctor come here to
• 1:19:07
  work at a hospital, are they using H-1B
• 1:19:10
  or are they using some other provision to do
• 1:19:12
  it? It's like an H-1B, but it's not an H-1B.
• 1:19:15
  It's effectively the same thing, yeah. Yeah,
• 1:19:19
  if we don't have—because what
• 1:19:21
  you're talking about is shortages. I'm okay with
• 1:19:24
  us ramping up in order to fill those roles that
• 1:19:27
  I'm fine with. Yeah. And at the point where we
• 1:19:29
  ramp up to fill those roles where we're like,
• 1:19:30
  okay, well, we don't need these. Maybe if we
• 1:19:32
  say, if we have a plan where it's like,
• 1:19:33
  okay, we know that we'll be okay in
• 1:19:37
  five to 10 years, but we have to get these people into the pipeline and then
• 1:19:41
  we stick to it and we have a strict plan,
• 1:19:45
  like the way China would do it, then fine. That
• 1:19:47
  I'm okay with. But otherwise, we're talking about
• 1:19:49
  shortages at hospitals where we're missing nurses
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  and doctors for all sorts of fields and all sorts
• 1:19:53
  of things. They were given away like
• 1:19:55
  $2,500 to nurses because they had that many
• 1:19:58
  shortages just in Richmond. And I'm telling you,
• 1:20:01
  that's all through the United States. And so,
• 1:20:03
  yeah, if we had a plan for it, no issue. But
• 1:20:06
  it's just like stopping overnight. Yeah, no.
• 1:20:08
  Well, here's my question. So you're running into
• 1:20:11
  two problems. One, there's no incentive to train
• 1:20:15
  American workers to do those jobs if you just import
• 1:20:17
  them from overseas and then pay them less. I guess
• 1:20:20
  that's what I'm saying, Robby. We should look.
• 1:20:23
  It's one thing if we say all right we have all
• 1:20:26
  of these positions that are being taken by foreigners
• 1:20:27
  either in H-1B visas, nursing, doctors, etc. and
• 1:20:31
  we as a country are making a plan in order to
• 1:20:34
  fill these roles with American workers. That I
• 1:20:36
  get. Meaning that's a government thing. That's
• 1:20:39
  a government-driven thing of saying, this is
• 1:20:41
  what we're going to do because we have these
• 1:20:42
  shortages and we need to fill these positions.
• 1:20:44
  But to just say, we're just kicking everybody
• 1:20:47
  out. We're stopping all of these programs. And
• 1:20:50
  we're supposed to go from there with shortages.
• 1:20:54
  Now you can say Americans will die for lack
• 1:20:57
  of medical care. Yeah that's not right and you
• 1:20:59
  could say well these incentives an American dime
• 1:21:01
  but I agree with Robby's concern. If
• 1:21:03
  we just do it sort of ad hoc and we just admit
• 1:21:06
  people and then there will be less political
• 1:21:08
  will. This would only work in sort of a different
• 1:21:11
  political system than we have. It would have to
• 1:21:14
  be one where there's a detailed,
• 1:21:18
  intelligent, long-term plan to modify our
• 1:21:23
  entire workforce system so that we are able to
• 1:21:27
  scale people up who are U.S. citizens. And it
• 1:21:30
  would have to be stuck to through presidencies
• 1:21:33
  and Congresses of the future, regardless of what
• 1:21:36
  political orientation they're a member of.
• 1:21:39
  That's not our system, right? Also, you're
• 1:21:42
  never going to get educational reform. But the
• 1:21:46
  same thing, if you can just continue just importing
• 1:21:48
  a ready-made serf class from overseas, you're
• 1:21:52
  never going to get the kind of reforms you're
• 1:21:53
  talking about. If you want to have an educated,
• 1:21:55
  trained workforce, you've got to educate them
• 1:21:58
  and train them. There's no incentive to do that
• 1:22:00
  right now because we can just import every swinging
• 1:22:03
  dick from the third world. That's the problem.
• 1:22:04
  The incentive that you're talking about is basically,
• 1:22:06
  okay, we should have shortages in regards to
• 1:22:08
  doctors and nurses in the medical system. I'm
• 1:22:10
  using medical stuff because that's the one that
• 1:22:11
  I know of as a fact. We should have shortages
• 1:22:14
  in these areas in order to create an incentive
• 1:22:17
  for what? Because I got to be honest, I don't
• 1:22:21
  think that having a shortage is going to immediately
• 1:22:23
  translate into, okay, people are now going to
• 1:22:26
  nursing school and doing X or Y. I don't think
• 1:22:30
  that happens in that way because why would it
• 1:22:33
  happen? Well, supply and demand. That's the most
• 1:22:36
  basic form of economics that there is. The more
• 1:22:39
  of something that you need. Nurses already get
• 1:22:42
  paid quite well. Doctors get paid extraordinarily
• 1:22:44
  well, and yet we have shortages in both. What's
• 1:22:48
  the barrier to entry? So, JT, how many years
• 1:22:52
  of college do you have to go to school to be
• 1:22:53
  an RN? Oh, Jesus. It's two years. It's two years.
• 1:22:57
  Two years to be an RN is one year. To be a registered
• 1:23:02
  nurse, you've got to go to school for two years.
• 1:23:03
  To be an LPN, you have to go to school for one
• 1:23:06
  year. The difference is an RN can push drugs,
• 1:23:08
  an LPN cannot. I got to be honest. I have not
• 1:23:12
  seen an LPN for God knows how long. I don't even
• 1:23:14
  know if those things still exist. LPNs work mostly
• 1:23:16
  in nursing homes. The reason I'm telling you
• 1:23:17
  this is because this is my life for over a decade.
• 1:23:20
  So I know a little bit about this. Now, the barrier
• 1:23:23
  to entry is that if you were to go in and you're
• 1:23:25
  going to do this two-year class, how much debt
• 1:23:28
  are you going to incur in student loans? That's
• 1:23:32
  the major barrier to entry. So yeah, you get
• 1:23:35
  a paycheck. That's one part of it. The point
• 1:23:37
  I'm trying to make is that education will never
• 1:23:39
  get cheaper if there's no incentive to make it
• 1:23:42
  cheaper. If you're able to continue importing
• 1:23:44
  people from Haiti and all these other places,
• 1:23:46
  it's never going to happen. Why do you think
• 1:23:51
  it's going to get cheaper when—why do you think
• 1:23:55
  they charge so much for people to go to school?
• 1:23:57
  Because of student loans. It's a good part. Well,
• 1:24:00
  part of the student loan, but part of it is also,
• 1:24:02
  hey, you want this future. You're going to have
• 1:24:04
  to pay me $40,000 in order to get the future
• 1:24:07
  that you want, that your social worker at school
• 1:24:09
  tells you that you need and you require. Meaning
• 1:24:12
  they charge you that much, not because of the
• 1:24:14
  student loans, but because they know that they
• 1:24:16
  got you over a barrel from the standpoint of
• 1:24:17
  whether you want to succeed in life. And from
• 1:24:20
  the time that you're a child up until the time
• 1:24:22
  where you're going to school, they tell you this
• 1:24:24
  is required for success in life. We got you over
• 1:24:27
  a barrel. You want to have a decent life? Pay
• 1:24:29
  us $40,000 to get this particular degree. You
• 1:24:32
  could say student loans. I don't think it's student
• 1:24:34
  loans. I think it's that part. And the point
• 1:24:36
  that I'm making is it's not like nursing is going
• 1:24:39
  to go down in price just because you get rid
• 1:24:42
  of immigration. That's not going to happen. If
• 1:24:45
  anything, the value of it is going to go up.
• 1:24:47
  But the point I'm trying to make is that in order
• 1:24:49
  to get more people into the system, the cost
• 1:24:51
  of education will go down. It won't. Then let's
• 1:24:55
  try it. That's what happens. Then let's test
• 1:24:58
  it. Who's right, Robby or JT? That's the problem
• 1:25:02
  is that we never—you're making the same
• 1:25:05
  argument that Reagan, Bush, Clinton, everybody else
• 1:25:08
  has made. If we do this it's going to hurt the
• 1:25:10
  economy. The answer is yes. But is the short-term
• 1:25:13
  pain going to benefit in the long run? Nobody
• 1:25:16
  wants to take the medicine to get better. Nobody
• 1:25:19
  does. Wait a minute. That's not my argument. My
• 1:25:21
  argument is we should invest money into certain
• 1:25:23
  things that allow—for one my argument is we shouldn't
• 1:25:25
  be charged for school. There's that. Especially
• 1:25:28
  for something that we care about and we require.
• 1:25:31
  If school is free, you will by definition get
• 1:25:33
  more nurses and by definition be able to fill
• 1:25:35
  those roles. Well, the U.S. government doesn't
• 1:25:37
  believe that. Neither Reagan nor the Democrats
• 1:25:39
  buy into this idea of free college or free education.
• 1:25:44
  I do. Because from my point of view, this is
• 1:25:47
  where you get the extra nurses, the extra doctors,
• 1:25:49
  the extra people to fill the roles that we need
• 1:25:51
  in our society. I don't think you get those things
• 1:25:53
  without school being much cheaper. Or programs
• 1:25:58
  to help with affordability. Back in the day and
• 1:26:01
  by back in the day I mean the late 90s early
• 1:26:03
  2000s and this is something I looked into is
• 1:26:06
  that you're able to use that. So to be a nurse
• 1:26:09
  what you have to do you don't need that two-year
• 1:26:11
  certification. You have to do what's called you
• 1:26:13
  have to pass the board, right? So the way that
• 1:26:15
  people used to do it is that they would
• 1:26:17
  do an on-the-job training thing so you
• 1:26:18
  work in the emergency room as the ER tech. Once
• 1:26:21
  you got the experience, you could then take the
• 1:26:24
  test, pass the test. And then if you do that,
• 1:26:27
  then you're able to bypass all that cost. Hospitals
• 1:26:31
  now don't hire people like that because they
• 1:26:34
  get an incentive by sending people to school.
• 1:26:38
  Then they get vouchers and then they get kickbacks
• 1:26:42
  from it. And that pushes the price up. So the
• 1:26:46
  issue is not there's not enough people to do
• 1:26:48
  the work. The issue is that the barrier of entry
• 1:26:51
  is too high, and they pad that with the cost
• 1:26:53
  of getting the education. Most people know you
• 1:26:55
  can challenge the board. And then you have the
• 1:26:57
  debt that you're saddled with, plus the interest
• 1:27:00
  on the debt. Those are the problems. And then
• 1:27:03
  the government says, oh, Americans are too stupid
• 1:27:06
  and too lazy to do this work. So we have to import
• 1:27:08
  people to drive wages down even further. That's
• 1:27:10
  not the answer. The answer is to break the college
• 1:27:14
  cartel, bring back on-the-job training. And
• 1:27:17
  that's how you do this. That's why the government
• 1:27:19
  hates vocational school. Nursing is a vocation.
• 1:27:22
  There is no reason why you should have to go
• 1:27:25
  get a two-year degree for it, except that it's
• 1:27:27
  a part of the grift. That's the point. It's sort
• 1:27:30
  of like a hairdresser. It's sucking people from
• 1:27:34
  Africa and Asia and all these other places. It's
• 1:27:36
  never going to get better. There's no incentive
• 1:27:39
  for it to get better. No, Robby, but I don't.
• 1:27:41
  But the plan of, okay, just say F it.
• 1:27:46
  To deport everybody and have shortages in hospitals
• 1:27:48
  doesn't seem like a viable option either. Well,
• 1:27:51
  let's try it. I need my pain medication. I want
• 1:27:52
  my pain medication. People will die.
• 1:27:55
  Anyway. People die every day, Ted. There's repetition
• 1:27:57
  here. Yeah, I know. And I don't want anyone I
• 1:27:59
  care about to be one of them. All right. So we
• 1:28:03
  have more questions here. Mark 1661. Question
• 1:28:07
  for you, Robby. Have you read or believe in
• 1:28:10
  any of the non-canonical gospels? Oh, like the
• 1:28:16
  Gnostic Gospels? Yeah, I read them.
• 1:28:19
  They're great sci-fi, but no, I don't
• 1:28:22
  believe in them. But they're kind of like the
• 1:28:24
  Book of Mormon. How don't you believe in those?
• 1:28:27
  Well, for one thing, they put the Bible together
• 1:28:32
  from several books. These were some of the books.
• 1:28:34
  Why don't you believe these books as opposed
• 1:28:35
  to the others? They just got edited out, yeah.
• 1:28:39
  Just the contradictions and stuff. And also whenever
• 1:28:42
  you go through and whenever you're studying something
• 1:28:45
  that's spiritual, one of the things I always
• 1:28:47
  like to do is spend a lot of time in prayer and
• 1:28:50
  ask for guidance before I do. And then I just
• 1:28:52
  go through and then I just methodically just
• 1:28:55
  go through and look and see what is it that they're
• 1:28:58
  teaching. Like the Gospel of Judas. No, teaching
• 1:29:01
  that Jesus wasn't right. Well, it's just too
• 1:29:06
  full of contradictions. It was just obvious.
• 1:29:09
  As opposed to the rest of the Bible. I was going
• 1:29:10
  to say. The Bible doesn't have contradictions.
• 1:29:13
  The Bible doesn't have contradictions. The Bible
• 1:29:14
  doesn't have contradictions. I think the Bible
• 1:29:17
  doesn't have contradictions because you don't
• 1:29:19
  want them to have contradictions. Maybe. But
• 1:29:21
  that's because I'm a Christian and you're not.
• 1:29:23
  So I just take it on faith. But you don't take
• 1:29:27
  the other books on faith. Correct. Because they're
• 1:29:30
  not the word of God. They're not divinely inspired.
• 1:29:34
  Okay. Well, they were divinely inspired, perhaps,
• 1:29:37
  and then edited out. Yeah, they were edited out.
• 1:29:40
  They could have been inspired by Satan, for sure.
• 1:29:42
  But he's different from God. Wait, that's a big
• 1:29:44
  statement. That just because a Bible,
• 1:29:47
  a book got cut out. Not to mention there's
• 1:29:50
  different versions of the Bible, right?
• 1:29:51
  You don't want to get me started
• 1:29:54
  on the different versions of the Bible because
• 1:29:56
  they are blasphemous as hell. The King James,
• 1:29:59
  baby, that's the one. It's just that medieval
• 1:30:02
  dude. All right. So here, I just asked Grok for
• 1:30:06
  some contradictions in the Bible. And I got to
• 1:30:09
  say, by the way, it's going pretty, pretty long
• 1:30:11
  here. Okay. So has anyone seen God?
• 1:30:17
  Exodus 33:20, John 1:18, 1 Timothy 6:16. No
• 1:30:22
  one has seen or can see God. But Genesis 32:30,
• 1:30:26
  Exodus 24 and 33, Isaiah 6 all describe
• 1:30:31
  people seeing the Lord face to face. Distinctions
• 1:30:35
  commonly drawn: seeing a theophany or the angel
• 1:30:38
  of the Lord versus seeing God's unveiled as. Here
• 1:30:41
  here's the difference. You can't see the
• 1:30:44
  Father without dying. That's why whenever
• 1:30:46
  he appeared to Moses he put his hand over him.
• 1:30:48
  Wait so is that why you said Enoch is not real
• 1:30:51
  because Enoch saw God? He described the face of
• 1:30:53
  God. Well, because Jesus is God. So Jesus is the
• 1:30:57
  Son of God. He is who you're able to gaze upon.
• 1:31:00
  You can't see the Father. That's the difference.
• 1:31:03
  Or how Judas died, right? So in Matthew, Judas
• 1:31:08
  returns the silver, hangs himself. The priests
• 1:31:12
  buy the potter's field with the money. In Acts,
• 1:31:15
  Judas himself acquires the field. He falls headlong
• 1:31:18
  and bursts open. Yep. Those are not the same.
• 1:31:24
  He hung himself, and he ended up just going over
• 1:31:30
  and splattering his guts. Okay, who incited David's
• 1:31:35
  census? The second book of Samuel says that the
• 1:31:39
  Lord incited David to number Israel. Chronicles
• 1:31:42
  1 says Satan did. And the numbers are different.
• 1:31:47
  The totals differ. 800 plus 500,000, which is
• 1:31:51
  1.3 million, versus 1.1 million plus 470,000,
• 1:31:54
  which is 1.57 million. Now you're talking about
• 1:31:58
  David's census? Because you said Daniel. David's
• 1:32:01
  census. Yeah, so David, what he did is he numbered
• 1:32:04
  the people, and the reason why he did it is back
• 1:32:07
  then, as you know, Ted, you're a student of history,
• 1:32:09
  you would do that kind of thing if you're getting
• 1:32:11
  ready to raise an army to go to war. And so what
• 1:32:14
  happens is that David is getting ready to launch
• 1:32:16
  a war of aggression, and then God told him, because
• 1:32:20
  of this sin, you're going to have—
• 1:32:22
  You're either going to be judged by men or you're going to
• 1:32:24
  be judged by me. And he chose to be judged by
• 1:32:25
  God. God sent the angel of death to Jerusalem
• 1:32:28
  and started killing people. And the temple got
• 1:32:31
  built there at the thresher's field that David
• 1:32:33
  bought. So that's where that happens from. So
• 1:32:41
  it wasn't Daniel that did the census. It was
• 1:32:43
  David. Or Satan, depending on 1 Chronicles. Well,
• 1:32:48
  you have the choice to either follow the Lord
• 1:32:51
  or to follow Satan. And Satan definitely had
• 1:32:55
  it out for David. But David is not Satan. And
• 1:32:57
  no one said that Satan inspired David. Well,
• 1:33:02
  he whispers in your ear. If not him, it's his
• 1:33:04
  devil. It's just like whenever David and every
• 1:33:07
  sin of Bathsheba. What was going on? Do you remember
• 1:33:10
  the story? Oh, yeah. It's a bathing beauty. Where
• 1:33:15
  was David supposed to be? What
• 1:33:18
  was happening at that time? He was on the roof
• 1:33:20
  of his house, right? He was where
• 1:33:23
  he was not supposed to be because his army was
• 1:33:25
  fighting. His army was fighting the Philistines.
• 1:33:29
  David should have been with his army leading
• 1:33:31
  it. Instead he gave it over to his general because
• 1:33:33
  he doesn't feel like doing his job that day. Saw
• 1:33:36
  Uriah the Hittite's wife Bathsheba bathing,
• 1:33:39
  seduced her. He's like I gotta tap that and ended
• 1:33:43
  up getting her pregnant. And then he actually
• 1:33:45
  had her husband murdered. Right. And so. No,
• 1:33:49
  he was in the way. David was not perfect
• 1:33:51
  by any such imagination. At the battlefield,
• 1:33:53
  if I'm not mistaken. David is very good at repenting.
• 1:33:58
  Now, do you remember what the prophet Nathan
• 1:34:00
  said to him? How he posted David up?
• 1:34:03
  No. So. Yeah. Well. Do you want me
• 1:34:08
  to turn this into a Bible study? No, say this
• 1:34:11
  one thing and then we're going to move on. Because
• 1:34:12
  this is not going to be quick. Okay, we'll do
• 1:34:15
  it another time then. All right. Okay, so there's
• 1:34:19
  definitely contradictions in the Bible though.
• 1:34:22
  There are not. There are none. You sure are wrong.
• 1:34:26
  Did you guys see the Florida City Council meeting
• 1:34:30
  where they kept kicking people out for mentioning
• 1:34:32
  Israel? Filthy peasants questioning the rules
• 1:34:36
  of Israel. Really. So I saw which one. Jackson the
• 1:34:41
  Democrat Jackson. Who is he going up against?
• 1:34:43
  Is that Maine? Because I did see one
• 1:34:46
  where they were asking questions about Israel where
• 1:34:47
  they were like hey we need both of you. Right
• 1:34:49
  isn't that Maine like against Susan Collins? Yeah.
• 1:34:51
  Okay so that wasn't the Florida one. No I didn't
• 1:34:54
  see the Florida one. I saw the one in Maine where
• 1:34:56
  they asked about genocide and one said genocide
• 1:34:59
  the other one wouldn't say it. That's yeah. Not
• 1:35:03
  surprised. Hey, Jamarl, Ted, Robby. Question.
• 1:35:06
  Any time soon, are you guys going to travel to
• 1:35:08
  China, People's Republic of China? I would love
• 1:35:12
  to. Love to. I want to. In fact, I wanted to
• 1:35:15
  take a week off. Well, I wanted to take a week
• 1:35:17
  off at some point. And China was one of the places
• 1:35:20
  I was thinking about going. I wanted to go to
• 1:35:21
  China and Russia before I dropped it. China,
• 1:35:23
  Russia, and Russia were the three I wanted to
• 1:35:24
  go to before. Yeah. Last time,
• 1:35:27
  it's cheap in winter. So that might be something
• 1:35:29
  for us to look into. Oh, you'll go? I'd go. Yeah,
• 1:35:34
  we could do the show from China. Really? Yeah,
• 1:35:36
  why not? When do you want to go? October? I'm
• 1:35:40
  thinking, no, it'll be expensive. I was thinking
• 1:35:42
  like January. It'll be cheap as shit. Oh, God,
• 1:35:46
  man. I don't plan stuff out that long. You gotta
• 1:35:50
  for China, though, because you gotta get the
• 1:35:52
  visa. I bet these days it's going to take a little
• 1:35:55
  longer. Yeah. You can get a 14-day visa.
• 1:35:59
  You can get that at the airport. They have it
• 1:36:01
  now. Oh, really? You can just show up? Yeah.
• 1:36:03
  Oh, wow. It used to be hard. When I took the
• 1:36:04
  trip to Malaysia, the airport, the plane stopped
• 1:36:07
  in China. It stopped there for, what, like 14
• 1:36:11
  hours or 12 hours or something. And I ended up
• 1:36:14
  getting the one-day visa, stayed there for the
• 1:36:16
  day, got an apartment, got a hotel, slept. At
• 1:36:20
  that point, I had been on the plane for like
• 1:36:22
  20 hours. Yeah, sleeping's good. But yeah, you
• 1:36:24
  get like a 14-hour visa in China. By the way,
• 1:36:26
  there's nothing like the way the Chinese hotels
• 1:36:28
  make the beds like super, super tight, the way
• 1:36:30
  they tuck in the sheets and you get in there
• 1:36:32
  with jet lag and you can't, it's like being swaddled.
• 1:36:35
  You will just go, you're like fade to black.
• 1:36:40
  No, it was good. It was inexpensive.
• 1:36:44
  No, I would go. Okay. This is a request for Robby
• 1:36:49
  for tech sports. Robby, are you streaming later?
• 1:36:51
  I'd like to hear more about the different Bible
• 1:36:52
  types. I was going to start reading it soon.
• 1:36:56
  Most likely tomorrow. I've got some production
• 1:36:59
  work I've got to do today for some of the different
• 1:37:01
  people I'm working for. But after that, though,
• 1:37:03
  most likely tomorrow. Robby, why don't you have
• 1:37:05
  a Bible channel? That's a good question. A couple
• 1:37:09
  of reasons. One, I don't know who would want
• 1:37:11
  to watch it. And second, I'm not very good at
• 1:37:13
  just talking to myself. My mom watches some preacher
• 1:37:17
  that she likes. People watch it. Yeah, there's
• 1:37:20
  some dude on Rumble early in the morning who
• 1:37:22
  just goes on and on and on. He doesn't know shit
• 1:37:24
  compared to you. Maybe. I don't know. People
• 1:37:27
  would watch it. I guarantee you people would
• 1:37:28
  watch it. Yeah, I agree. Maybe. I don't know.
• 1:37:31
  I do better talking with somebody else. I can't
• 1:37:35
  do a Jamarl. I can't just stare at the screen
• 1:37:38
  and then just talk. You just pick a topic. You
• 1:37:42
  get to pick this one. Bathsheba. You can come
• 1:37:43
  up with, there are no contradictions in the Bible.
• 1:37:45
  That would be the title. That shit would go bananas.
• 1:37:50
  It works. I swear to God, it would work. If an
• 1:37:53
  astrology channel works, a Bible channel definitely
• 1:37:55
  will work. Oh, for sure. Yeah, maybe. I don't
• 1:37:58
  know. Maybe we will. Because I am trying
• 1:38:01
  to, now that the finances and the economy are
• 1:38:05
  such as they are, I'm definitely looking at
• 1:38:07
  other things to do with the YouTube channel.
• 1:38:09
  You need a good atheist to be on that channel
• 1:38:13
  with you. That would help too. Like an atheist
• 1:38:16
  and a Christian fighting. An atheist
• 1:38:19
  and a Christian walk into a bar. Only the atheist
• 1:38:21
  gets a drink. Ted, I know a guy. Anytime
• 1:38:27
  that you want to. You can try it out and see
• 1:38:30
  how it goes. Yeah, for sure. Listen, I'd be more
• 1:38:33
  than happy to do it. It just has to be
• 1:38:35
  worth the time. Because if I do it and only 20
• 1:38:38
  people show up. Can we call it Oh Christ? Well,
• 1:38:40
  it would take a while for it. Of course.
• 1:38:42
  It takes a while. No, I get that. But I'm just
• 1:38:45
  saying, if over a year, if just 12 people
• 1:38:49
  tune in, it's not worth it. Four cents for my
• 1:38:53
  day, not so much. It may take a while, but I
• 1:38:55
  think it'll work. Okay. $5 donation from Albu
• 1:39:00
  Kid. Thank you very much. Number one, we know
• 1:39:03
  a thing by what it does. Number two, Trump is
• 1:39:06
  decimating the U.S. economy. Number three, top
• 1:39:09
  Project 2025 goals are to restructure the economy,
• 1:39:12
  abolish the Fed, and assume presidential control
• 1:39:15
  of police, state, and military. That last part,
• 1:39:19
  I don't see them, first of all, abolishing the
• 1:39:21
  Fed, but that last part about militarizing.
• 1:39:26
  Establishing control of police, military.
• 1:39:29
  See this whole ICE thing and National
• 1:39:31
  Guard deployments and all the hype
• 1:39:35
  about election fraud really seems to play into
• 1:39:39
  that last narrative. I guess the
• 1:39:44
  question—I have a hard time seeing stuff
• 1:39:48
  that haven't happened so there's that. So take
• 1:39:50
  that. So I'm saying to take what I'm about
• 1:39:53
  to say with a grain of salt. I have a hard time
• 1:39:54
  seeing the overturn of the election thing. I don't
• 1:39:57
  because we funnel all of our—how can I say this?
• 1:40:04
  We funnel all of our political intrigue, all
• 1:40:07
  of the—we tell people, we frown upon
• 1:40:11
  protests and we say voting is what we do.
• 1:40:14
  Voting is how we make our choice about who we
• 1:40:16
  want in office, whether it's presidential, whether
• 1:40:19
  it's any other thing. Meaning all of the energy
• 1:40:21
  that would be less in France, putting cows out
• 1:40:24
  or streaming shit into parliament. It's put into
• 1:40:28
  voting in the United States. The moment that
• 1:40:30
  you say that's off. Oh, man, I don't know how
• 1:40:35
  the public accepts that. I don't think the public
• 1:40:37
  looks at it and says, oh, well, I think the public
• 1:40:40
  looks at that as if something they've lost, something
• 1:40:42
  Trump is doing and something that is more diabolical
• 1:40:45
  and sinister. I don't know what people would
• 1:40:48
  do, but I don't get the sense that people would
• 1:40:50
  just be like, oh, well, I don't think the apathy
• 1:40:53
  will pan out. But I could be wrong in that. I
• 1:40:56
  could be wrong, and God knows I hope I'm not.
• 1:40:59
  I hope you're right. Okay, well, whatever. Syphilitic
• 1:41:03
  Royals, Redneck Takes is the Bible. Redneck Takes
• 1:41:07
  is the Bible is fire. Mac and I follow a lot
• 1:41:12
  of academic religious channels. I definitely
• 1:41:13
  watch Robby's Bible classes. TNIC, Robby, this
• 1:41:18
  would be a service to the world. Please do it.
• 1:41:21
  Bad Cookies. Robby, you should totally do it.
• 1:41:23
  Nothing like further indoctrination. Love the
• 1:41:26
  idea. Okay. So we got about 18 minutes left here
• 1:41:31
  in the program. So let's talk about this terror
• 1:41:36
  plot, alleged terror plot. So I forget the name
• 1:41:41
  of the town, but it's in, I think, Southwest
• 1:41:44
  UK, Southwestern England, RAF Fairford. Some
• 1:41:51
  Karen saw three cars driving near an Air Force
• 1:41:57
  base and dropped a dime or dropped a shilling
• 1:42:01
  or whatever the fuck it is to the local constables.
• 1:42:05
  And they arrested five dudes on suspicion of
• 1:42:09
  preparing acts of terrorism. Details are thin
• 1:42:13
  on the ground, right? We don't really know. We
• 1:42:16
  know that they called out the bomb squad, which
• 1:42:18
  seems to imply to me that they found explosives
• 1:42:20
  and that these guys are being charged under the
• 1:42:23
  Explosives Act. But we don't know really, did
• 1:42:27
  they find a bomb or explosive devices? And if
• 1:42:30
  so, how big they were? And of course, there's
• 1:42:33
  lots of speculation because Iran said, if you
• 1:42:36
  supply the U.S. or you allow the U.S. to use your
• 1:42:40
  territory as a staging ground for
• 1:42:43
  U.S. attacks against Iran, you would be a fair
• 1:42:45
  target. So the implication is maybe
• 1:42:49
  this is some kind of Iranian-related thing. But
• 1:42:53
  I always—my radar always goes up whenever one
• 1:42:58
  of these things breaks because nine out of ten
• 1:43:00
  times it's less than meets the eye or it's ginned
• 1:43:04
  up completely out of whole cloth or it's something
• 1:43:07
  very different than how it's being presented.
• 1:43:09
  But it is a story and we do need to talk about
• 1:43:12
  it. Yeah. For one, I'm very doubtful that Iran
• 1:43:18
  had anything to do with this. I'm surprised they
• 1:43:21
  didn't accuse the Russians. Why not? Why not
• 1:43:24
  both? Well, usually it's a Russian plot. And
• 1:43:27
  AOC while we're at it. I don't think it happened.
• 1:43:29
  I think it's just a lie. I don't think it happened
• 1:43:32
  at all. That's always possible. The Leipzig thing
• 1:43:35
  didn't happen. That's nonsense. That's
• 1:43:37
  an utter breakdown of that. That was utter nonsense
• 1:43:39
  that they're trying to claim as a Russian plot.
• 1:43:42
  That Russia couldn't build a drone that
• 1:43:44
  they hit a Ukrainian plane in Germany which is
• 1:43:46
  basically nonsense. In fact Europe has been
• 1:43:49
  doing this whole thing running around claiming
• 1:43:50
  that the Russians are agitating as they fire
• 1:43:53
  missiles into Russia. There's that. So I'm surprised
• 1:43:55
  they didn't say the Russians did it. I
• 1:44:00
  will wait until more information comes out. I'm
• 1:44:03
  very doubtful that the British—we'll see. I'm
• 1:44:07
  very doubtful until it comes up. Yeah,
• 1:44:09
  I think the system in the UK and a lot of
• 1:44:13
  other countries is like arrest first, ask questions
• 1:44:16
  later. They get the
• 1:44:19
  call. They're like, it doesn't hurt to just arrest
• 1:44:20
  them, bring them in, search everything, check
• 1:44:24
  them out. I wouldn't be shocked if these guys
• 1:44:27
  walked free in like three days. By the way, we
• 1:44:30
  do the same thing in this country where they
• 1:44:31
  had, I forget the bombing that took place and
• 1:44:33
  they brought in a guy, accused the guy of it.
• 1:44:36
  The guy ends up walking. I think it was like.
• 1:44:38
  It wasn't 9/11. It was another bomb plot. But,
• 1:44:41
  yeah, we do the same thing. We choose the retarded
• 1:44:45
  guy of trying to kidnap the governor of Michigan.
• 1:44:48
  Right. More than one retarded guy. Yeah.
• 1:44:52
  Yeah. Mention the governor of Michigan, Whitmer.
• 1:44:55
  Yeah. Gretchen. The Gretch. Big Gretch.
• 1:44:58
  Yeah. So your next president of the United States.
• 1:45:00
  So you got to really watch out for these people
• 1:45:03
  with an IQ around 70 who live in the basement
• 1:45:05
  of a vacuum cleaner shop because those are some
• 1:45:07
  shifty, diabolical people. Well, you have to
• 1:45:09
  watch your phone when you're talking to the FBI.
• 1:45:13
  It's like, hey, the FBI. You are allowed
• 1:45:18
  under the First Amendment
• 1:45:22
  and under obviously a big Supreme
• 1:45:26
  Court decision back in the 70s, you're allowed
• 1:45:28
  not to say anything to a cop, except if you refuse
• 1:45:32
  to talk to the FBI, the FBI is different. You
• 1:45:36
  can be charged with impeding a federal investigation.
• 1:45:38
  Even if you just say, I exercise my Fifth Amendment
• 1:45:41
  right not to incriminate myself, the FBI is not
• 1:45:48
  quite subject to that. It's tricky. The FBI is
• 1:45:51
  trouble. You're better off keeping your mouth
• 1:45:53
  shut. Always. Yeah. Just, you can only
• 1:45:57
  hurt yourself. Right? But people don't. It's
• 1:46:00
  like running with scissors. People always talk.
• 1:46:03
  They always do. It's like, just shut up. If I
• 1:46:06
  say something, maybe they'll believe me. And
• 1:46:09
  it's like, dude, that's not the way this works.
• 1:46:11
  I'm always like, yeah, I always think about the
• 1:46:13
  Central Park Five, right? Where they told them
• 1:46:15
  like, oh, don't worry. Just tell
• 1:46:18
  us what happened and tell us everything you know.
• 1:46:20
  And we'll just, we're going to get you home to
• 1:46:22
  your parents. Yeah. And your parents are horrible
• 1:46:26
  in investigations because they usually get the
• 1:46:29
  kid to talk. Right. Just shut. Yeah. Just cops
• 1:46:35
  are allowed to lie to you according to the
• 1:46:38
  Supreme Court. Yeah. You should assume nothing
• 1:46:41
  they say is truthful. But it's a crime if you
• 1:46:43
  lie to them. Talk about a complete inversion
• 1:46:47
  of justice. That's why we have a legal system,
• 1:46:50
  not a justice system. Well, you're allowed to
• 1:46:53
  lie to cops under certain circumstances.
• 1:46:57
  For example, if a cop pulls you over and says,
• 1:46:59
  have you been drinking? And you say no. And it
• 1:47:03
  turns out you did have a drink. You didn't break
• 1:47:06
  any law. If you lie to a federal cop, it is a
• 1:47:10
  felony. Federal, right. Yeah. But I'm saying
• 1:47:12
  like local state police, like whatever. Do we
• 1:47:15
  have those anymore? Pardon? How much
• 1:47:18
  longer do you think we're actually going to have
• 1:47:19
  local police in this country? Oh, it'll be a
• 1:47:22
  long time because it's just, there's too many,
• 1:47:26
  right? Yeah, we have local police. By
• 1:47:28
  the way, I was just reading a story about upstate
• 1:47:33
  New York in the town of Poughkeepsie. I like
• 1:47:37
  the Poughkeepsie. There's a controversy over
• 1:47:40
  the Flock cameras like there is in lots of other
• 1:47:42
  towns. And the city council rebelled against
• 1:47:45
  the pro-police mayor and they're getting rid
• 1:47:47
  of the Flock cameras, right? But the mayor, this
• 1:47:50
  part's interesting. Poughkeepsie's not a big
• 1:47:52
  city. No, it's tiny. The city of Poughkeepsie,
• 1:47:56
  which is broke as shit, was paying $500,000
• 1:48:00
  a year just to Flock to maintain the cameras.
• 1:48:04
  By the way, and just so people—I'm like, that's
• 1:48:05
  a lot of money for a small town. Poughkeepsie
• 1:48:08
  is tiny. In fact, there's a Poughkeepsie town
• 1:48:10
  and Poughkeepsie City. Right. Poughkeepsie City
• 1:48:12
  is dirt poor. Oh, yeah. Poughkeepsie Town is
• 1:48:15
  very rich. You have million-dollar
• 1:48:18
  mansions and everything else, and it's only
• 1:48:19
  three minutes away. If you're driving
• 1:48:22
  to Poughkeepsie City, you'll hit Poughkeepsie
• 1:48:24
  Town within three or four minutes. Right. The
• 1:48:27
  idea that they're paying that much money for
• 1:48:28
  it is outrageous. And they were literally,
• 1:48:30
  the mayor's like, well, I guess we can restore
• 1:48:32
  the youth afterschool program.
• 1:48:35
  I'm like, you bought Flock cameras and you
• 1:48:38
  canceled the youth afterschool program.
• 1:48:42
  Sounds about right. That's fucked up. Sounds
• 1:48:44
  about right. Yeah. I lived there for like two,
• 1:48:48
  three years. So, yeah, I agree. We'll see
• 1:48:51
  what happened here, but I'm like, yeah, this
• 1:48:54
  could easily be another Gretchen Whitmer bullshit,
• 1:48:56
  like self-radicalized, whatever. I have a question
• 1:48:59
  for y'all, and I don't know the answer to this.
• 1:49:01
  The federal government, they have the power to
• 1:49:04
  federalize the National Guard. That's the biggest
• 1:49:07
  difference between the Guard and the militia.
• 1:49:10
  Does the federal government have the authority
• 1:49:12
  to federalize local law enforcement? No. I thought
• 1:49:16
  they did. I thought they did. I thought the president
• 1:49:18
  can federalize. All of these things are
• 1:49:21
  just levels of another. I don't think so. I don't
• 1:49:23
  think that's true. Local, state, federal. We
• 1:49:25
  need a lawyer. It seems like a constitutional
• 1:49:28
  lawyer question, but I don't think so. I think,
• 1:49:30
  I don't see how the Trump administration
• 1:49:32
  can federalize the NYPD. I don't think so. Why
• 1:49:37
  not? Just because it's a different authority.
• 1:49:40
  States and local governments have their
• 1:49:42
  own governmental structures. And I don't know,
• 1:49:46
  perhaps in a case of a national emergency, they
• 1:49:49
  could be brought under the direction. But I don't
• 1:49:52
  see how that's even possible. Well you're right.
• 1:49:54
  No the United States president generally—I don't
• 1:49:58
  know what generally means in this case—cannot
• 1:50:00
  federalize local police departments in regular
• 1:50:05
  U.S. cities or states but they have limited temporary
• 1:50:10
  authority to take over the police force in Washington,
• 1:50:13
  D.C. Oh in Washington right because of course that's
• 1:50:17
  different. Yeah. Yeah. Because Congress administers
• 1:50:20
  the District of Columbia. That's interesting.
• 1:50:23
  He can take over the... But a state politician
• 1:50:27
  can take over local police, correct? I don't
• 1:50:31
  think that's true either. Yeah, I don't think
• 1:50:34
  Big Gretch can take over Milwaukee's police.
• 1:50:38
  The state police that the president can federalize.
• 1:50:42
  I don't think so either. I think the New York
• 1:50:45
  State Troopers cannot be taken over by President
• 1:50:47
  Trump. So it's only the National Guard? It's
• 1:50:51
  only the National Guard. I could have swore that
• 1:50:53
  it was also the police. The reason I bring this
• 1:50:57
  up, because if we do go into... But obviously
• 1:51:00
  they would take directions. In case of civil...
• 1:51:03
  Sorry, go ahead, Robby, finish your thought.
• 1:51:05
  Well, the reason I bring this up is that if I'm
• 1:51:07
  right, and if we do have a big problem with civil
• 1:51:10
  unrest this fall and winter because of shortages
• 1:51:13
  when it comes to food, energy, and everything
• 1:51:14
  else, then you could see the federal government
• 1:51:18
  going through and issuing either an executive
• 1:51:21
  order, maybe even Congress passing a law, federalizing
• 1:51:25
  law enforcement. So I think, well, then you'd
• 1:51:28
  have a major separation of powers, constitutional
• 1:51:31
  clash. It would be a constitutional crisis of
• 1:51:34
  major proportions, right? But I think in practical
• 1:51:37
  terms, I think what would really happen, let's
• 1:51:40
  say the president declares a state of emergency
• 1:51:42
  for some reason, it could be anything, a natural
• 1:51:45
  disaster, civil unrest, constitutional
• 1:51:49
  crisis, mean Iranians, Clovis run wild, anything,
• 1:51:54
  right? I think at that point, what's going to
• 1:51:57
  really happen is that most states and cities,
• 1:52:00
  they would voluntarily cooperate with
• 1:52:04
  the federal government. And they'd say,
• 1:52:06
  we of course will coordinate with the federal
• 1:52:09
  authorities to prevent this insane
• 1:52:13
  mutant cat from running wild through the land.
• 1:52:15
  Yeah. Let me just know if there's widespread
• 1:52:20
  looting, say, in Los Angeles, because there's
• 1:52:23
  just not enough food going to the different stores.
• 1:52:25
  Same thing, any big city, you don't
• 1:52:27
  pick one. We have had, we've seen widespread
• 1:52:29
  looting in Los Angeles before. So they had local
• 1:52:32
  police. That's kind of the job of the
• 1:52:34
  police department. Yeah. In those states. One
• 1:52:37
  would think, but if they're overwhelmed or the
• 1:52:39
  cops don't show up to work because they need
• 1:52:41
  to protect their families, they have families
• 1:52:43
  too. Well, I still think this is a complete breakdown,
• 1:52:47
  I guess, as I'm asking. I think temperamentally,
• 1:52:50
  the state and local police captains would
• 1:52:53
  be likely more often than not to just voluntarily
• 1:52:57
  cooperate with the federal authorities just because
• 1:53:00
  they would fall into line, right? I think now
• 1:53:05
  what would be interesting is let's say you had
• 1:53:07
  President Bernie Sanders declare that kind of
• 1:53:10
  thing. Would the cops who tend to lean right
• 1:53:14
  politically, I think they'd be less likely to
• 1:53:17
  cooperate with the federal authorities. It depends
• 1:53:19
  on what it is. But what if ICE is factored
• 1:53:22
  into the equation if they're taking orders from
• 1:53:24
  ICE. Well they don't take orders from ICE
• 1:53:28
  though. No they submit the choices now.
• 1:53:31
  Do you even work with ICE? That's my point though.
• 1:53:34
  So if this happens if you do have
• 1:53:37
  a big breakdown if they need federal help to
• 1:53:39
  bring back order the National Guard would be
• 1:53:42
  part of it. Oh I see what you mean. I see what
• 1:53:44
  you mean. Look he could put National Guard.
• 1:53:46
  He does have power to do that. And ICE is now the biggest militarized force
• 1:53:51
  in the United States, right? So yeah but when you're using ICE for that ICE is very specific.
• 1:53:56
  Well true if you're trying to normalize them
• 1:53:59
  it'd be very strange to be like hey we have break-
• 1:54:02
  ins or we have robberies in California so
• 1:54:05
  we're sending ICE to deal with the robberies.
• 1:54:09
  Well, California has a large population of illegal
• 1:54:12
  immigrants, just like the entire Southwest does.
• 1:54:15
  So if you want these bodies, that's going to
• 1:54:18
  be a part of it. Wouldn't that be a way to get
• 1:54:20
  those blue states to take their medicine? That
• 1:54:22
  would be weird. In fact, even this conversation
• 1:54:25
  is like the idea that when Garland told me that
• 1:54:29
  he says, look, if I'm running from the cops or
• 1:54:33
  if I'm running from ICE and I'm an American citizen
• 1:54:35
  and I say, look. You can suck my dick. I'm an
• 1:54:39
  American citizen. Good for him. Right. And a
• 1:54:45
  police was standing right there. Would you protect
• 1:54:48
  me? And Garland was like, no. Now, the problem
• 1:54:52
  with this is, if indeed you can't federalize
• 1:54:53
  state or local cops, then why not? ICE has no
• 1:54:58
  jurisdiction. Not really, especially from the
• 1:55:00
  standpoint of the cop that's there that supposedly
• 1:55:02
  can't be federalized and that is under the jurisdiction
• 1:55:05
  of the city or the state. I'm a city. I'm a civilian
• 1:55:08
  of the city of this state. Why can't you tell
• 1:55:10
  this guy to fuck off? Well, everything's been
• 1:55:12
  conflated, right? ICE was sent supposedly
• 1:55:15
  to put down civil unrest in the form of anti-
• 1:55:18
  ICE protests, right? It would seem like
• 1:55:21
  the proper authority to go in to put down an
• 1:55:24
  uprising against ICE would really not be ICE.
• 1:55:26
  It would be the National Guard or local cops.
• 1:55:29
  But they didn't do that, right? After 9/11,
• 1:55:33
  and they're still there, the National Guard are,
• 1:55:37
  who are like 18, 19 years old, wet
• 1:55:39
  behind the ears, carrying guns in some cases
• 1:55:42
  as long as they are tall, are hanging out in
• 1:55:45
  the entrances to Grand Central Station and
• 1:55:48
  Penn Station in New York, I'm sure in Union Station
• 1:55:52
  in D.C. And people are used to that.
• 1:55:56
  But it's like, why is the National Guard in the
• 1:55:58
  fucking train station? Shouldn't it be
• 1:56:00
  D.C. police or whatever? Yeah, I don't think
• 1:56:03
  people are used to it. Well, but they're trying
• 1:56:05
  to normalize it. They're trying to. I don't know
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  if you can normalize that. It's kind
• 1:56:11
  of a big thing having military roaming around
• 1:56:14
  with guns in the U.S. Yeah, but we do. And,
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  after 9/11, it was the
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  armed National Guardsmen created a perimeter
• 1:56:24
  in Manhattan between Upper Manhattan and Lower
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  Manhattan. And I used to call it the arachnid
• 1:56:29
  quarantine zone to go down into near Ground Zero.
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  But it's not there now, is it? No, no, no. It's
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  been gone for years. But my point is that,
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  New Yorkers kind of just accepted it, which was
• 1:56:43
  funny to me. But they accepted it because of
• 1:56:46
  9/11. Right. I don't think when Trump
• 1:56:49
  is doing this now where he's like I'm putting
• 1:56:51
  National Guard in D.C., I'm pushing National Guard
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  so forth, I don't know how much they accepted
• 1:56:54
  it especially considering the neighborhoods that
• 1:56:56
  he was putting it. It's not like he was putting
• 1:56:58
  the National Guard in Georgetown.
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  Okay. Georgetown is one of the most wealthiest
• 1:57:02
  areas. I know it's really insane. It's insane. It's
• 1:57:06
  not the area where people are committing crimes,
• 1:57:07
  right? Yeah they're not. It's not in Southeast.
• 1:57:09
  Yeah. No it's not Southeast. It's not Anacostia,
• 1:57:12
  right? If you're not living in D.C. you may not
• 1:57:15
  know that. I lived in D.C. for several years. I do
• 1:57:17
  know that. That's not what they think. Some parts
• 1:57:20
  of D.C. are spicy. Yeah. Yeah. Some are very nice.
• 1:57:23
  Georgetown is one of the nice ones and so having
• 1:57:25
  military walk up and down this very nice street
• 1:57:27
  is just bizarre. Yeah. Yeah. No it is very
• 1:57:31
  strange. Let's see here. There's I see another
• 1:57:34
  comment here. Massive BJ. I would like to—
• 1:57:39
  I want to see Robby and Ted wonder what's with
• 1:57:41
  all the gators. Jamarl knows DJ is the— That's his,
• 1:57:46
  yeah. Jamarl knows Kit already. He's been on the
• 1:57:49
  show. IIRC. Wait, say that again. I don't
• 1:57:55
  get this. I'm sorry. Maybe I'm a retard. Okay,
• 1:57:58
  I want to see Robby and Ted wonder what's with
• 1:58:00
  all the Gators. Jamarl knows Kit, K-I-T, already.
• 1:58:05
  He's been on the show. IIRC. Kit Klineberg?
• 1:58:13
  I don't know what that means. I don't know what
• 1:58:15
  that means. I've got nothing for you. I don't
• 1:58:17
  know. Please translate. Speak English. Yeah,
• 1:58:20
  I don't know what that means. One of the problems
• 1:58:21
  that we have, a lot of our commenters use a lot
• 1:58:23
  of abbreviations and we have to decipher them
• 1:58:27
  on the fly here while we're talking. And y'all
• 1:58:30
  can call in. There's a link in the chat. Massive
• 1:58:34
  DJ is a hell of a name. That name is just great.
• 1:58:38
  Massive DJ. Massive. Massive. Guys, it's been
• 1:58:41
  two hours, which means it's the end of the show.
• 1:58:44
  “DeProgram” will be back tomorrow, 9 a.m. Eastern
• 1:58:47
  time. I see. Kit Calabo. I can't pronounce the
• 1:58:53
  last name. Kit. Calabo. Calabo. He is on, oh,
• 1:58:59
  what is the name of that channel? I can't think
• 1:59:02
  of the name of the channel. I know what he's
• 1:59:03
  talking about, though. Okay. All right. Well,
• 1:59:06
  I don't. But anyway. All right, that's it anyway.
• 1:59:09
  We'll be back tomorrow, 9 a.m. Eastern time
• 1:59:11
  till 10 a.m. Eastern time. So tune in early.
• 1:59:14
  Don't tune in late. Hold on. Let's get some clarification
• 1:59:17
  real quick. So JT, do black holes suck in light
• 1:59:22
  or does light just fall in because of the curvature
• 1:59:24
  of spacetime? Fall in, it's the curvature.
• 1:59:28
  The space is so curved and contorted that it
• 1:59:31
  just falls in. Light always just travels space.
• 1:59:34
  That's why it curves. When scientists are
• 1:59:38
  looking at the curvature of space and stuff like
• 1:59:39
  that, they're doing that because their space
• 1:59:40
  is curving. That light always moves in a straight
• 1:59:42
  line. It always moves at the same speed, even
• 1:59:44
  when it's in a different medium and it seems
• 1:59:46
  like it's slowing down. It's not really slowing
• 1:59:47
  down. It's the medium that's slowing down. In
• 1:59:49
  this case, it's the space that is curved to such
• 1:59:51
  a degree that light can't escape. Gotcha. Perfect.
• 1:59:55
  Okay. Bye. Bye, all. Have a good one, guys. Have
• 2:00:00
  a good one.