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EPISODE 153 - 'Barry Gets Spanked' · The Padded Cell Podcast

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  SPEAKER_00: Right then, shall we get to the message?
• 0:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, go on then.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hello, and welcome to episode one, five, three of the Patasel Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so tonight I'm here once again with a baz.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hiya.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it depends what it feels like it's been forever.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, we were supposed to record a little bit before the we had to postbone, didn't we?
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_00: So we're a little bit later.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's nice to see you.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you've got one of our t-shirts on.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, nice bad boy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's in black.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's that's different.
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  SPEAKER_00: Isn't it?
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  SPEAKER_00: That's different for you.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I've got one of ours on.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is a she robbed me white, you see.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_00: I did, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I've got the um I'm a fucking delight t-shirt on, but in white, it'll be coming out in white at the moment.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's on like a beige t-shirt, but it is coming out on white.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I've got loads more new t-shirts coming as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: While I'm talking about it, heads over to the store because it's a big salon.
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  SPEAKER_00: Loads like 40 to 60% off.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you got yours for free.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_01: Shh, don't tell them.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're flying out, to be honest with you.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_00: So you do have to be quick.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_00: I just need to make room for me new t-shirts that are coming in.
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  SPEAKER_00: I need to show you the designs, the boss.
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  SPEAKER_02: Are they?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm gonna try and do like an individual one for each of the hosts.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we've done one for me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um and I've sort of thought of one for City Wednesday.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've got an idea for you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Don't know about Andrew and Kev yet, I'll think of something.
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  SPEAKER_00: But think about designing us our own t-shirts.
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  SPEAKER_01: That'd be cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just cause, like for Halloween or something.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now you've got me thinking about it, though.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I can't even design a logo.
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  SPEAKER_00: So um me, Baz, and Haley.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_00: We've talked about Hayley loads, are you, Hailey?
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  SPEAKER_00: I um we have been in sort of an unofficial club for about a decade.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's going on a fair while, like.
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  SPEAKER_00: About a decade.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we call it we call it Cunt Club.
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  SPEAKER_01: We do, yeah, cunt cunt.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we do a little hashtag that nobody really knows, and but we always put it on everything, and it's uh hashtag CC forever.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like proper.
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  SPEAKER_01: Proper old school graphics.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like 90s type, yeah, forever.
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  SPEAKER_00: So and we put it on everything, don't we?
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  SPEAKER_00: C C forever.
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  SPEAKER_00: And uh, we've been saying that we need a logo for this for the past decade.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_01: For the past since it formed, and you were the logo girl.
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  SPEAKER_01: We were always like, Vic, you can do the logo, you're good at this.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_00: I know, but I'm also the girl that takes on too much and you know occasionally needs to sleep.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I still haven't done this logo.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_00: And what did you say last night about your headstone?
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna get it on my headstone, I'm gonna get hashtag CC forever, and then underneath in like italics and small letters, just still no fucking logo.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_00: And if you die before me, I will then create a logo and then have them put it on your headstone and then with a finger go, fuck you, Baz.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, shut up.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh so we went to a 21st party on Friday.
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  SPEAKER_00: Some of you may have seen a post on Facebook because I was taught about it, and there's a video, you know, Haley showing you the video of us singing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so just to just to backtrack a bit, it's 21st party, and it was a cracking little night, and um, but it's a typical 21st, you've got all your 21-year-olds and thereabouts all huddled together on like the upper platform of this place by the buffy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, um, and then all the oldies, so parents, friends of parents, grandparents, and just general older people were on the dance floor up by the bar.
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  SPEAKER_01: Closest to the station.
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  SPEAKER_00: And um we arrived a little bit later than everybody else because you know we didn't want to be there from the beginning.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's what she does.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's what I do.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't arrive at the beginning, I always arrive a little bit later.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'd been there 15 minutes, Chacha Slide came on.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, that was meant to be for the birthday girl, wasn't it, if you remember?
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  SPEAKER_00: And then in the end, it was me, you, Haley, and another older person, I can't remember who it was now, doing it very badly.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_00: I I haven't done it ever, I don't think.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_01: It was my daughter.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I was trying to follow along with you.
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  SPEAKER_00: You didn't really know exactly what you were doing either.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_00: No, I thought I did.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Turns out I don't remember.
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  SPEAKER_00: But we had a good go, didn't we?
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_00: Fucking right, we did.
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  SPEAKER_00: We were the old people having a go, failing miserably, and people were laughing at us, but that's okay, because you don't care when you're old.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_01: No.
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  SPEAKER_01: You don't care we were sober as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: We were.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'd literally just arrived.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'd got my first oh, it wasn't even a pant, it was a warm bottle of Budweiser.
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  SPEAKER_00: I didn't really like the the idea of the case.
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  SPEAKER_01: I wasn't keen on the beers a lot.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was on cocktails because I looked at the beers and I was like, nah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know, but the colours of the cocktails, I'm like, what's that gonna do to me insides?
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  SPEAKER_00: That's another old person thing to say, isn't it?
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  SPEAKER_00: When you're younger, you just drink anything and everything.
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  SPEAKER_00: You don't think about what it's going to do to your insides at all.
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  SPEAKER_00: But when you're old, you're like, oh, we guts the next day.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_01: My mate put a picture on Facebook yesterday of a beer, and it all he said was a photo of a beer, and he just said, This is gonna give me green shits.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: We can all relate.
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  SPEAKER_00: The one thing that used to give you green shit years ago was um Mad Dog 2020.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, and um and fiberbird.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thunderbird.
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  SPEAKER_00: What's the other one?
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  SPEAKER_00: Fire uh another one.
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  SPEAKER_01: Dog 2020.
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  SPEAKER_01: Aftershock.
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  SPEAKER_00: But mad dog, oh my god.
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  SPEAKER_00: One particular night.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know why I did it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was a school night, I was school age.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was doing my GCSEs, I was nearly 16.
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  SPEAKER_00: And uh, me and my friend Paul decided that we were gonna have a night on Thunderbird and Mad Dog and watch shiss on telly.
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  SPEAKER_00: And um, my mum was having a fondue party at home.
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  SPEAKER_00: My mum didn't really know where I was and what I was doing, to be honest with us, so it helped.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I just was like slid in, they're all in the kitchen, have a lovely time pissed by this point, and I was rotten, and I just like slid up the stairs.
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  SPEAKER_00: Nobody knew.
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  SPEAKER_00: My mum at about one o'clock, are you in?
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm asleep.
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  SPEAKER_00: I wasn't, I was the room was spinning.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was foot on the floor and everything.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you do that?
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  SPEAKER_01: What?
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  SPEAKER_01: No, when you're drunk.
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  SPEAKER_01: Have you ever done it?
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  SPEAKER_01: When you're that drunk and you want the room to stop spinning, I try it all me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Put one foot out of the bed and put it on the floor.
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  SPEAKER_01: Does it work?
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  SPEAKER_01: I've got no idea because I'm not when the room's spinning, I'm that far gone.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I don't fucking remember falling asleep.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I try it all.
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  SPEAKER_01: I even get out the bed and just get on the floor because like the rock hard floor helps me sleep.
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  SPEAKER_00: See, I've heard this, but whether it works.
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  SPEAKER_00: Put a foot on the floor, it seems to work.
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  SPEAKER_00: If any of you do that, put a foot on the floor to stop the room spinning.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let me know if it works or not.
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  SPEAKER_01: It does.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Every time I do it, I fall asleep after it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: So maybe it does work.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's gotta happen, then it's gotta work.
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  SPEAKER_00: Grounds you maybe.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Don't know.
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  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, so I got pissed on Mad Dog and Thunderbird and um in my room.
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  SPEAKER_00: My mum was like, You're in, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And not long after that, I'm like, I'm gonna be sick, but the bathroom is downstairs.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, and we lived in a cottage uh at the time, which was next door to the cottage that I eventually lived in with Jim because I was the girl next door.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I literally opened the window and vommed outside.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was bad, I was heaving, I lost stomach lining and everything.
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  SPEAKER_00: The next morning, I couldn't get up for school, but I had to get up for school because my mum couldn't know that I was hungover.
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  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, she went out and she said, Oh God, Vic, I think while the cats has been really sick, I'd been sick in the flower bed outside my window.
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  SPEAKER_00: So when I went out to school looking the same colour as the sick, I looked at it and I was like, I've I've lost my stomach line and it was green, it was like that that chair.
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  SPEAKER_00: Mad dog made it.
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  SPEAKER_01: You said that out the window.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's shameful.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is, isn't it?
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_01: I was um god, it was when I was in the RAF.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_01: It would have been uh 99, 2000-ish.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_01: My auntie and uncle were at the same camp and they lived in a masonette, two-story masonette.
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  SPEAKER_01: So there was like, you want to have this flat?
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_01: And then their flat had two floors.
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  SPEAKER_01: Me and my uncle have gone out on the aisle and got absolutely fucking rotten.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like the worst rotten I think I've ever been in my life.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_00: The worst rotten.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was.
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  SPEAKER_01: We goes back, gets back to their masonette.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_01: I'm in bed in the spare room.
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  SPEAKER_01: My uncle got up and came through and pissed on my feet because he was that drunk in his head, he was at his mum's house.
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  SPEAKER_01: He got up and gone to his autopilot to his childhood bathroom, which woke me up.
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  SPEAKER_01: I shot out of bed ready to throw up.
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  SPEAKER_01: Didn't know where the toilet was in this masonette, so stuck my head out of the window and threw up out of the window.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_01: The window was directly above the kitchen.
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  SPEAKER_01: The masonet window sort of opened, it was like a sash, it sort of opened like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was in the height of summer.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_01: And the kitchen window was wide open.
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  SPEAKER_01: I come down like the next morning to my auntie going, What the fuck?
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I looked and there was just my pavement pizza all over the kitchen window.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_00: Oh no.
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  SPEAKER_01: Three floors up, so you can't exactly nip outside and wipe it.
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  SPEAKER_01: No.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you had to spin it around.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh no.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh no.
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  SPEAKER_00: Did you do it?
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  SPEAKER_00: Did you make somebody else do it?
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_01: Don't think I did.
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  SPEAKER_00: Did you own up to it?
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I couldn't deny it.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_01: It was directly.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_01: She was like, Well, that's where you were sleeping.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Well, he pissed on my feet to try and deflect.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_00: You could have said it was a seagull with bad guts.
• 8:54
  unknown: Oh, double's right.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_00: Come on, think on your feet, Baz.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_01: I was like 19, 20, I couldn't think of it.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_00: All the more reason.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_00: We just tell the truth because you're too old to think of something quick.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_00: But when you're younger, it should be happening like that.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
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  SPEAKER_00: But you're just too hungover, really, to think on your feet.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_00: It was horrible.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_00: When you're that drunk, though, and you're that ill, it does put you off for a little while.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_00: I don't get that drunk anymore.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_00: I just can't do it anymore.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_00: I can't do the next day and the day after.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, three-day hangovers, they're a thing.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_00: Oh well, I haven't quite got into three occasionally.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_00: But I just I don't want to do it.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_00: I'm too busy.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's shots for me.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_00: If I have shots with like a vodka or beer, that's it.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: If I have just a shot, that's fine.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_00: If I mix it with something, English is optional.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_01: But I only have a fancy shot when I'm about seven beers in.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_01: And then I have one and go, oh, that's alright, that's I'll have another one and then another one and then another one.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_00: That's just mad.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_01: 30 minutes later, they all hit my body at the same time and I just die.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that happens with shots though, doesn't it?
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_00: I had that on Goldschlager once.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_00: I had a triple shot.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_01: I can't true, right?
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's got the gold flakes in it.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it cuts the back of your throat, but it's not a few.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_01: It sticks your throat so it gets into your bloodstream.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_00: So the alcohol doesn't just go into your stomach, it goes it goes like uh sublingually, isn't it?
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_00: When it goes through your mouth.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know the big words.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_01: Sublingually.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_01: So that's talking.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_00: That's you know, in like through your through like the yeah.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_00: So it like cuts your tongue and that, so it goes so it goes straight into your system.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_00: That's not the right word.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_00: Oh fuck.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_00: Something like that.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_00: It absorbs in your mouth quicker.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_00: It might be right.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_01: You're supposed to be medical and don't even know the word.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_00: It might be right, Baz.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_00: I could be doing myself an injustice here.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, Barry, wait before you do your coffee because this episode goes out on the 1st of October.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_00: And on this day, it is World Coffee Day.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_00: So, Baz, would you like to do the thing to introduce this segment?
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_01: Go on, then.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_01: We've got it.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I have my biscuit before I vomit.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_00: Hang on.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_00: You can take your time.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't seen you for ages.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, have you missed it?
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_00: I have.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_00: Apparently, Barbara enjoyed this bit.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_00: World Coffee Day.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_00: So, what is it all about?
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not just gonna talk about the boring stuff around coffee and all that.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_00: I've found some other stuff.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_00: Of course I have, because it's a Petersel podcast.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_00: I don't talk about boring stuff.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know that coffee can actually kill you?
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: The caffeine in it can kill you.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want you to all start giving up coffee.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_00: Massive, massive amounts of caffeine it would take.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_00: So normal coffee drinking, very different, you know, to swallowing concentrated doses of caffeine.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um, fatal caffeine poison is rare, um, but it has been medically documented.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_00: I remember seeing uh a video years ago, and it was before AI, and this guy had drank like loads and loads of cans of Red Bull, and he was in ER, um, and they were working on him, and his chest was bright red, and you could literally see his heart doing that out of his chest.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: They just wheeled him in, and I was like, please tell me that's not real.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, when you read and everything, and then there's nothing to say that it wasn't real.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_00: So caffeine toxicity can produce a rapid heart rate.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_00: So this guy with the rapid heart rate.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_01: And why you have it?
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_00: Dangerous arrhythmias, vomiting, agitation, seizures, coma, and death.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_00: There was a forensic case series published in 2014 and it examined eight adult deaths in Maryland in the US, obviously.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, in which caffeine intoxication was the sole or contributing cause.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, the authors said that the overdoses were associated with large doses of caffeine containing uh medications containing large doses of caffeine.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_00: So we're not talking like you know, your diet drinks with caffeine and your coffee.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's like it is like your monsters and stuff like that.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_00: Your energy drinks that have got loads and loads of caffeine in them, and then maybe taking like you know, caffeine tablets and stuff like that.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_00: Or of Pro Plus.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know what?
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_00: There's some I work with years ago and they lived on energy drinks.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_00: And at the beginning of the shift, if they were on nights, they couldn't sleep, they just have Pro Plus.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_00: And you just can't do that indefinitely.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_00: No, you know, as a medical person, unfortunately, the only way she'd get through the shift, you know, just couldn't sleep in the day at all.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, so this lethal caffeine dose, you know, it doesn't like sit neatly in like um a measured dose of if you have over this much, that's gonna kill you.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_00: Because obviously we're all different, our body size and how we absorb things and all that.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um so we can't say definitively, you know, if you drink this much, it's gonna like become fatal.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because I like I can have a cup of coffee and go straight to bed.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, me too.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_00: I have a cup of tea before bed.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_01: So like if you like that, if you don't drink a lot of coffee, it probably won't take as much.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, we drink tea before bed.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_00: And tea's got a lot of caffeine in it.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_01: More than coffee, do you reckon, isn't it?
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it depends on the tea.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_00: It depends on the tea.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_00: Some of them have.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um normal tea bags, I've got slightly less.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_00: I did a thing years ago.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_01: Tea's just minging.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_01: Or die on that hill.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so I'm just gonna move on from that because we're just gonna get into one, aren't we?
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, there was a recent case study uh reporting five patients becoming ill after a single servant of this um unusually potent type coffee called marked marketed as death coffee.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_00: Have you heard of this?
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_01: I got some.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I don't know if it was the same one.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_01: You can buy it on Amazon called there's a company called Death Wish Coffee.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's and I've got a I had a bag.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_01: It was nice, like.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, well, these guys maybe had some kind of reaction to it or just drank too much.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe they had other things with caffeine in and they just didn't realise.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, the symptoms range from tremors, agitations, hallucinations, and reduced or loss of consciousness completely.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I mean, that's death coffee.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_01: I kind of feel cheated.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't get any of that.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_01: I just thought it was a nice cup of coffee.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_00: Just drink more of it then?
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_01: No, it was like£40 a bag.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_00: £40!
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_00: What how can you justify that?
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: I got it as a birthday present.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: No, I mean not you spending, then charging it.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's cause it's American.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_01: So to buy it on Amazon there was importing tax and stuff.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_01: But even then it's still like I think it's about 20 quid when it's it's not cheap.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I'd be wanting to be buzzing my tits off for about two days on that.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_00: If I wasn't, I'd be disappointed.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_00: Nice though.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_00: Have you heard of Coffee Enemas?
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_00: This is actually a really old thing.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I remember doing something on this or touching on it in a really, really early episode, and we were talking about things the Victorians did, and this was one of them.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: So it has gone back that far.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but and it obviously it's died down, but it seems to be making a bit of a resurgence.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_00: It's older.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_00: I've uh I've seen some like health guru people and all that, you know, talking about coffee animals.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, um so like I said, it does date back to the 19th century, and there's medical literature, um, and it does state you know rectal coffee use.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um and it's said that uh it was associated with an alternative cancer uh regimen regimen, regime.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_00: Regime.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but it we've got no evidence, modern evidence to support that whatsoever.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_00: So don't go like you know putting coffee up your arsehole.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_01: If you do let it cool down first.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_00: Please don't.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, those reported complications, and there still is for people that practice it now.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_00: Complications include burns from overly hot liquid.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, what kinds of tool have you got to be to not allow the coffee to cool down before you insert it into your bowel?
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: Would there be an element of like our hands and our fingers?
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_01: We get used to temperature over years, don't we?
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_01: So they might have gone, oh yeah, that's alright.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_01: Not realising that the inside of their ass has never touched anything hot in its life.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_00: They don't realise.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_01: And don't realise.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_00: Because I mean you do feel temperature.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think you ever had a uh a clonic.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: No, I haven't.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, clonic irrigation.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_00: For those people who have got IBS out there, uh, I had a terrible and I went once a quarter uh for a clonic on the recommendation of a friend, and it sorted me out.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_01: I could probably do one.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_00: It was really great, but uh it's like warmed water, but you can definitely feel the temperature of the water.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: So if it was cool, you'd feel it, and hot you'd feel it.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_00: So, uh how stupid have you got to be to not let the coffee cool down first?
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'd make it like three days ago if I was gonna put it in the yeah.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um I'd be stupid enough to put it in the fridge actually, though, and forget it.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_00: But cold's no good because that can cause like shock and spasm of your bowel.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_00: And I've had spasm of my bowel as well, and that that's like unreal pain.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: But it is, yeah.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: And it can also cause inflammation of the colon, obviously.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_00: Electrolyte disturbance.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: So obviously, there's always this movement of molecules in your body across uh water and substances.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and if you're gonna put something like that into your bowel, it is gonna affect how your body absorbs, reabsorbs, exchanges molecules and stuff like that.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: It can cause infection because of you, it gives little burns or stuff like that.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: And in rare cases, death.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_00: One patient with metastatic cancer developed this um what?
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_00: Metastatic cancer.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_00: Uh they developed polymicrobial enteric septicemia.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_00: So basically, uh it's um blood poisoning in the like the gastric tract after they frequently add self-idemersted coffee enemas.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's just nuts, isn't it?
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, I'm not against like enemas for treatment of things because, like I say, IBS, it was just it was so good, but you know, you're not gonna do it all the time.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_00: And why are you gonna like include something in the water like coffee?
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, I'm gonna move on from that because it's just mind-blowing.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: You've heard of the coffee beans that go through digestive tracts, haven't you?
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_00: There's one called the Copi Louac, and that goes through Asian palm civets.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_00: The beans pass through the digestive tract, they're excreted, collected, cleaned, and roasted.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_00: It became like a this luxury novelty coffee.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_00: But um because it was so popular and they needed mass production, there's animal welfare issues because investigations found these animals were captured and living in cages in like cramped conditions, uh, purely for uh tourists to buy coffee.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, yeah.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: And then you've heard of the um the elephants, haven't you?
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um in Thailand.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_00: So there's these uh Arabica cherries eaten by elephants.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_00: That was good timing.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_00: Fucking hell.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: I'm talking about elephant shit now.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_00: Coffee and you hit the barbuzzer.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, carry on.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: Thailand also produces coffee from Arabica cherries eaten by elephants and recovered from the dung.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so the scientific study of the this project describes the cherries fermenting in the elephant digestive tract before beans are collected, washed, dried, and roasted.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_00: So um the it's extremely rare.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: This goes for a lot of money, so it's like a premium, premium, premium coffee.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I thought it's like not for everybody.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_00: Would you drink coffee that has been through an animal and shit out of their bumhole?
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_00: Have you, Donna?
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_01: No, not not knowingly.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, but you would.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_01: The whole process, anything that's it's gonna kill anything that's picked up.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: I think so.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: I think so.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: The simple fact you put it in boiling water, it's roasted and all that, you know.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_00: I don't drink coffee, uh, but would I uh probably give it a go.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_01: If I said this this coffee g came out of an elephant's ass, yeah, you'd be like, You'd have to have a little taste.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's like the drinks with worms in the bottom of the bottle.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no problem, yeah.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not drinking the worm.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_01: People forget like cooking, heating boiling water, that kills anything anyway.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: Used to sterilise with boiling water.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, it's just yeah, it's just a thought for most people, isn't it?
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the anatomy of disgust, innit?
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: I've got a really bad gag reflex.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: So if I think about what it is or what it word being, I'm gone.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_00: So this is going down a sexual path again.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_00: It always does, doesn't it?
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_00: But when you watch porn and there's girls and they've got like a mouthful of cock and it's not coming out.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_00: The guy's got it right in there, and then he comes and she just takes it and swallows it.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: About here.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: How's she not gagging?
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_00: How's she not gagging on that cock as it's exploding into her mouth?
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_00: I'd be like, I wasn't like that.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_00: If it was in the back of my throat, tickling me epigloss, that little thing.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: That dangly bear.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_00: I'd be vomining.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: I've got a really bad gag reflex.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I've I've mastered the art of doing these things.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_00: Make myself gag and look really unsexy now.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: I'm aware.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_00: I just didn't let the tip hit the epiglossus.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know what?
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_00: In episode one, I wouldn't say the C word.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't talk about swinging.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_00: Ladies C didn't come into it.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: We did talk about penises because it was about the penis museum.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_00: But it's so different now.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_00: My whole sex life, my general sexual habits, my preferences.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_00: Poor Jim.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: There's hardly anything that's a secret.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_00: I just come out of it.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_01: Do you feel sorry for Jim?
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I do and I don't.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_00: Well, Jim now has got used to it.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_00: Some signs are looking at it.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: Jim's probably there now going, oh, this would be good on the pod, bend over.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, well, there's another thing that came up last night.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_00: It was one of them nights last night.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: As I've got to say this in the podcast with Bobby, Barry.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_00: And do you know what?
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm not going to stop my coffee much anymore.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: So, Rice.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_00: Men or women, or anybody in between, if you've been the bottom on all fours or whatever, Rice.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_00: All fours.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: And you're being pleasured from behind, banged.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: But you've already been on the bed beforehand.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_00: And there's a little bit of a mess.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: There's nothing worse than being banged into the bed and your face is in the wet patch, and all you've got to do is try and dodge the wet patch.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: But the wet patch is really huge.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_00: And you can't dodge the wet patch.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: Last night I was like, I've got to say this to my cast because that was me.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: Where'd you all have you were swimming or jagging last night then?
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you walked into our room by accident before, didn't you?
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_01: No, thank fuck.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: I opened the door, went, oh that's not it.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: Probably not the studio.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_00: We just left it.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'm glad my hands were full because I couldn't fully open the door, so we just sort of like nudged and went, shit, that's the wrong door.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say it could have been worse, but there's no worse room that you could walk into in this house unbeknownst when it's not been tidied up after the night before.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_01: You don't have to tidy for me.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, do you want to say anything else about it?
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: No, you don't, because you'll say something.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_00: No, there's nothing else I'll say about coffee.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_01: Nice, innit?
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'd love to love coffee.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: That's all we need to know.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I've said before, I love to smell a coffee in Germany.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, as you probably know, there's Bacherais, there's condisserized, and uh condisserized are coffee shops that sell cake.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, the smell out of these shops.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: I just walk past really slow.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like, Jim, do you want to go and have a coffee?
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_00: Just so I can go and smell the coffee and have a giant piece of cake.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I've tried coffee in all the different guises, hot colds, with stuff on them, marshmallows, all that.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: What about coffee flavours?
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: I can't have coffee cake.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_00: I don't like coffee minstrels.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_01: They're not coffee minstrels, the coffee revels.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_00: Coffee revels, then.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_01: Minstrels are little galaxy counters, aren't they?
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, they are.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_00: So for those who are international and you don't know what revels are, uh they're like uh little chocolate shapes, all different types of shapes.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_00: Bag of chocolate bits, yes, and uh you don't know what you're getting in each one, and there's a variety of about five things in there, isn't it?
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: There's orange coffee, one that's like a Maltisa.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_01: There's the toffee.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_00: And a solid chocolate.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_01: So and there's a raisin as well.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_00: There's a raisin, so six.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: Six, yeah.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_00: And it's funny because even revels, the brand themselves, mock the coffee flavour because not everybody likes the coffee flavour.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's very coffee, actually.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_00: And there's an advert, a brilliant advert.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's like Russian rule-less with revels.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_00: Do you remember this?
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_00: This what was there?
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_00: American dude.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_00: Looks like he's been captured by somebody, and it's this Japanese dude in front of him.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: This is a very long time ago, might not be acceptable as an advert now.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_00: And they've got a bowl of revels in front of them, and they're taking one, each charty.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's just like Russian roulette, and they take one, and they're like that.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_00: Ha, toffee.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_00: And then the other guy will take one and he'll go, mmm, chocolate.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_00: And then the other one, he goes, poker face.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_00: And the Japanese guy goes, Ha! Coffee.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's brilliant.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's great marketing.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_01: It yeah, it became a saying I didn't say, Oh, it's like playing Russian roulette with a bag of fucking revels.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_01: You just I like the coffee one, it was the orange one I was never keen on.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_00: I don't really like creams, you know, when you get like um quality streets and there's strawberry and orange cream.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_00: Don't like them.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_01: No, I don't like that.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, yeah, fucking hell.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know what?
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: We've been gathering for ages, and I've hardly really said anything off my scripture.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: I've hardly even got past hello.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: Right then.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna do something that's been requested by a listener.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: I've actually got another on this day, but I'm not even gonna do it.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_00: The on this the other on this day was about the 1st of October, 1910, and four things happened on this day, like disasters.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: There's a marine disaster, there was a mid-air collision, the first mid-air collision, because obviously planes were like really young.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_00: There was an explosion, I think it was the LA Times building.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and the other thing was Bonnie, as in Bonnie and Clyde, was born on that day.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it wasn't like a disaster that was like, oh, you know, four significant things all happened on the 1st of October 1910.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_00: That day, like loads of different things.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_00: People died, obviously.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_00: Disasters, and somebody who turned out to be like a bit of a lunatic, but also a bit of a hero of mine, was born.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so the thing that I've been asked to do, I'm gonna do it with a dangly bit.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, you need to be on board with this.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm on board, I'm just worried it worries me every time.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_01: But no, does it?
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_01: Oh fucking hell.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_00: I might use it to help me demonstrate something.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_00: Oh fuck.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: Fine.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_00: It means you're bending over.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, I don't know, we've got clean boxes or yeah.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: So I'll move that mic stand because I need to have it on this case.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_01: Hang on, are you gonna try and whip my that's right, then you have it?
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_00: No, I'm demonstrating spanking.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm actually gonna like whack you hard and just demonstrating the technique.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, all right then.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, because somebody contacted me on Facebook, hi Louise, and um said, We want to explore this.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_00: I've got some idea, but can you show me some techniques or describe the techniques of spanking?
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_00: And you think you just go whack.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, you can do that, of course you can.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_00: But if you're doing it on bare skin, bare skin, buy about five spanks.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_00: Your hand is bright red and smart and tingling, you can't keep it up.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_00: So there's different techniques.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_00: If you want to just do a quick smarting spank, then yeah with your hand like that.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_00: So your hand is slightly arched back, yeah, and you just whack, whack, whack.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_00: That's more of a sting, yeah.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_00: If you want to last a bit longer and be a bit more fudgy, you just use a different part of your hand or approach in a different way.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_00: So you can use that part of your hand, so the bottom of the palm for those who aren't watching, um, and you literally come in at that angle, bang, bang, bang, and you can do that a lot longer.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: And you can always change it up, go with the bottom of your hand, and then go with the full palm, different sensations.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_00: You get more of a thud with the bottom of your palm, more of a sting with the flat of your hand.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_00: If you come in flat against flat, so the flat hand against the flat surface of the bum, uh, that's gonna be more of a sting.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like I need to hang on every word you're saying because you're talking about spanking and I don't want to get it wrong.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, okay, so all listening.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_00: So if you come in like flat surface a flat surface, again, that's gonna hurt your hand, you won't be able to keep it up, but it is more stingy.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_00: If you come in from underneath the bum, so let's say you got the I'm gonna this is why I'm gonna need you to demonstrate round bum.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_00: If you come in flat, that's gonna be a sting.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_00: If you come in underneath, then the bottom of your hand and the side of your hand's gonna come up, bang, bang, under the arse like that.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: You're getting excited.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_00: I am, yeah.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_00: And that creates a really good thud, almost like a punch, boom, boom, bum.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_00: And then you can come up and then spank with the flat of your hands again, sting, sting, sting, then come underneath, boom, boom.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_00: Then if they're into it, a bit of a punch hasn't got to be a hard punch, but like little bang, bang, bang taps all around the arse and then change it up again.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_00: So if you carry on just doing one spanking motion, you're not gonna be able to keep it up.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's boring for the person receiving.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_00: And they're only gonna get one sensation.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_00: Your hand is really dynamic.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_00: You can get punchy thuds, slappy thuds, and stingy slaps just from using your hand.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_00: The other thing you can do, some people don't like to come in underneath, or they can't actually hiss with the bottom of their palm, maybe like weak wrists, stuff like that.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_00: So, what you can do instead, rather than have a flat of your hand, cup your hands slightly like this.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_00: So, for those who aren't watching, um, I've just as like closed my hand in a bit and tucked my fingers together in like a cupping motion.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like when you're cupping water.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_00: When you're cupping water, but with just one hand.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and so what you'd do, you'd come in flat again, but with the cup, and you get like a hollow sound as you hit.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_00: Do it with the with the flat of your hand now.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_00: Hollow.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_00: There you go.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_00: So you can hear the sound straight away.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_00: That does create more of a thud.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's only a light thud, um, but you can keep that up a little bit longer.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_00: But that's a nice little technique as well.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and also you can use the bummer's drums, you can use two hands.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_00: So just like little slaps on on both bum and bum cheeks.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_00: We do this sometimes at Wimpera Townhouse at the start of proceedings.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_00: They'll always put a song on, and all the mistresses gather the subs in like a drum circle, and we use their arses as drums, and you can use our hands or we can use implements, and that's the start of the day.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's brilliant.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_00: And I use two arses, and I'll do that on both cheeks, on two subs, it's brilliant.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and I'll punch and stuff like that.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_00: Great.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and if you have loads and loads of fun for what a good five-10 minutes with just your hands, using both hands, one hand, different shapes, um, and coming at different angles.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's really very good.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: So, what shall we just quickly demonstrate?
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, would you like me?
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna hit you properly.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_00: No, I'm saying this angle a little bit.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_00: You should be able to see that bit.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_00: I'm touching your ass, I'm so sorry.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so just bend over slightly.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_00: So, flat of my hand like that, as I was demonstrating before, that would be like a sting.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, cupped hand, listen to the difference in the sound.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, different sensation, Baz?
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_00: That's on the round of the arse.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_00: If I was to come in underneath at the sweet spots, doing the technique I was showing you before with the um bottom of my palm, I'm coming in from underneath like that.
• 33:23
  unknown: Yeah.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_01: Can we have one?
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_00: So different techniques, flat of the hand, cup, up underneath, and we can do some punches as well.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you, Baz.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_00: Did you enjoy that?
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_00: Well, did you ever think that I would be spanking you on camera on this podcast?
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_01: Never in my life, and I'm still not gonna call you mistress.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you very much for your assistance in demonstrating spanking to the masses.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks, Vic.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_01: We're back to you, all right though.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, I wasn't going hard, but spanking it doesn't have to be hard and brutal.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_00: What you try and do is create sensations and sometimes I use spanking to warm people up.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_00: So before I go in with paddles and stuff like that, I'll just warm the arse with my hand.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes it is just like little and then I might throw in a I'd end up bursting out of tune.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_00: Well, if I've got music on, I will do it to music because I'm a bit of a cunt, you know.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_01: You're not a bit of a cunt.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, because the subs, they're listening to the music as well, and I'm beaten to the music, and then to fuck them up, I'll stop doing it to the music, and they don't know what's coming next, then.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that would ruin my mind as well.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_00: I'll go back to the music and been lulled into the false insecurity.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, oh okay, yeah.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_00: And then I might not do it for a bit, and then two songs later, I'll do it again, and you can just see it fucking with the mind.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_00: Because they've got a rhythm in there, because I always see into music, always, it's really good.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_00: Get you in a good head space, but it's good for rhythm.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and you can change the songs, up be slow, you know, to bring them up and down.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_00: It's great.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_00: But they think they know what's coming, and so by changing it up, you're just getting in their head.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's brilliant.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's really good.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_01: I can still feel that, by the way.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_00: Can you?
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_01: But that's quite good.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: Because that wasn't hard.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_01: But I can feel it.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_00: Weirdly, it's you get like a little bit of a smart afterwards, like a little tingle, like little uh pins and needles on the spot.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_01: But it's not a painful pins and needles or anything like that, it's just no, it's just a body's reaction to impact.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_00: That's it.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_01: But I can see why people you're not fucking turning me, but I can see why people are like like she's not fucking you're throwing down a gauntlet there, Baz.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_01: No, the fuck.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how I'd feel beating you, to be honest.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_00: I'd be afraid that you just turn around, grab me flogger, and chase me round the room with it, to be honest.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_01: Or I'd make matters worse because I'd just start laughing at you and going, Is that it?
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, you're not.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_01: Because I'd be the cunt that'd be like, I'm not gonna show you, I'm fucking enjoying this.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: Or I'd I wouldn't give anything away.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's okay to enjoy though.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_00: That's the idea.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_01: Not with fucking nation watching it.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_00: No, I wouldn't do it in front of the nation.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_01: No, I know.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that was just a demonstration, but I can see why.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_00: So I hope that's helped everybody.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um, some people just do spanking over the knee.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_00: I wasn't going to cut it.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_01: The cup and underneath, go over that one.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_00: The cup and underneath that part, that area under your bum.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we call it a sweet spot.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's got like really uh sensitive skin, and it's skin that yeah, we do sit on, but it doesn't get a lot of sunlight.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's it's like it's not thinner skin, but because it's not exposed to sun, it's not hardened like the rest of the.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: That's a sweet spot, and so I always get that with a cane.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_00: I'm shocking for it.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_00: If I've got somebody who is okay with it, I'll always put it on the side.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_01: So if you're spanking somebody that goes on the sunbed, you've got a like massive clue where it is.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_00: Target.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_01: You don't need to look for it, it's there.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's happened.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's happened.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, lovely, you give me a lovely little target there.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_00: Great.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_00: So the sweet spot there with caning is very brutal.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_00: But for spanking under there, it's just nice.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_00: There's something about it, and it's somewhere you don't really get hit very often or injure.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_00: So when you get hit, there's like, oh, if you don't expect it to be as nice as it is, I really like it.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_00: I love being hit on the sweet spot, especially with a baton.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's sick, really.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_00: And it was fucking boss, you know.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely boss.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_00: Right, so I'm gonna move on to our main segment, and uh, we're not really diverting too far away from sexual stuff.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_00: Because uh, this comes from a conversation I was having in our OG WhatsApp group the other day about a TV programme that came out in the 90s.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_00: You will know it.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_02: Oh god.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_00: People in the UK will know it because it came over here.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_00: It was a US TV programme, it did go right across the world, so some of our other international listeners would have heard of it if you're around our age.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_00: It was a programme which was pioneering.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it was a programme that wants to bring sex to the masses but and and kink, but not in a way that was like tissillasing.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_00: It was more we're not laughing at you, we want to learn from you.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know what it was?
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_01: We had saying Euro Trash, but it's not Euro trash because it was American.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_00: Another hint.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_00: So the hosts of the show, they were specifically um selected because they obviously had background in media, but they were willing to get involved.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_00: Was it the Hitman and Her?
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_00: No, I love the Hitman and Her.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_00: That wasn't a sex show.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_01: They went to a few like torture garden balls and stuff, so didn't they?
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_00: So the hosts got involved in what they were investigating.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, hang on.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_01: Margie Clark?
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_00: That was good, that though.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_00: What was it?
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_00: Sex education or something, wasn't it?
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_00: Something like that, yeah.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_00: This was called Sex Etra.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_01: See, now I know the name, but I don't remember watching it.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_01: I was probably what?
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_01: 1990.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_01: There's no way my mum would have let me watch that.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it came out on the main I guess airwaves in whatever.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_00: It was released in 1998.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that'd have been 18.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_00: But I actually thought it only came out then, but when I was digging round, it was a Playboy um backed programme, and they had a Playboy channel.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_00: And it was actually on the Playboy channel in its infancy from about 1992, it was really early, to 1995.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_00: It was it was shelved for a little bit and then it was taken on um by whatever company it was, it might say an in a minute.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_01: Just not realise I've watched it.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_00: So the idea of the programme was that um the hosts they they went all over the world looking to interview people who had unusual sexual practices uh and who are willing to go on camera and talk about and even do it in front of the camera.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_00: This is 1998.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_00: You can't put a nipple on Instagram anymore.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_01: But in 1998 as well, we also weren't sort of numb to a lot of it.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_01: But the internet opens so many people's eyes to what's out there that sexual practices become a little bit more socially acceptable.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_01: Well, look at us.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_01: Swinging is socially acceptable these days.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_01: In 1998, it wasn't everything was still underground and you didn't accidentally stumble across stuff, you didn't get Facebook pages sharing memes of something that a bloke in a fucking caged bed that you everyone would find funny, but some people would look at and go, Where'd you get that bed?
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_01: And suddenly start you didn't get any of that.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_01: So anything you saw was brand new unless you were into it.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_01: So we were a lot more shockable at all.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_00: It was, and I remember watching this and thinking, How is this allowed?
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_00: But thank God it is.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_00: And they covered swingers, BDSM, sex toys, porn performers, brothels.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_00: They had went to one in um just outside Las Vegas, fetish clubs, body mods, adult babies, erotic festivals, pony play, practically any corner of humanity that is linked to sex, BDSM, or whatever.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_00: They were very explicit.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_00: The people that the interviews were really explicit in how they explained what they were into, inviting them into their private spaces to you know watch what was going on.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_00: They were, and I think because some people watching sex etc might have been looking at it for tissillation, and we know actually I'll come into it later on that even the producers of the show understood that, but they came at it from it was an educational angle, but of course, because the house were getting involved, it was tissillation, it was supposed to be funny, but not laughing at it, was having fun with the subject matter.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_00: The difference, isn't there?
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_01: Laughing with you, not laughing at you, yeah.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_00: So there's all sorts uh that went on on this thing.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um, anyway, it did first uh, like I say, in 1998 to the masses, and it came over to the UK pretty quickly, and I didn't think it'd be accepted in the UK.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but it was, I think it was on Living Living TV.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, and it was shocking um because, like we said before, there's nothing else like it, but it was quickly accepted, and I think it had over oh god, a hundred and odd episodes, hundred and three episodes.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_00: There was a lot.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_00: I have got it down here, I'll come to it and just sort of winging it at the moment.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so it was very, very, very popular.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_00: Now I looked into the people that were hosting the program because I loved the host.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_00: There's one in particular, um, Kira Reed, I'll come into her in a minute.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_00: But none of them had been in the sex industry as such before.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_00: Some of them had been writers and journalists who may done columns of like an adult nature, but nothing really explicit, nothing like that at all.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_00: And there was some that came from MTV.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_00: There's one guy called Hoist, he was always on it.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then other people came, there's a comedian.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_00: So they had they tried to bring in people from all different backgrounds.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_00: Also, the crew was really small, very, very basic.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_00: They'd have a host, a sound guy, and a producer.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_00: That's it.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_00: And they'd often have multiple roles, so they might be uh writers and researchers as well.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_00: There were some other people behind the scenes, but most of these guys went out and found the work themselves.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_00: So I remember Kira Reid, one of the main ones, she was really good at she would be really passionate about going and finding really unusual cases.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_00: Together, they would write the thing themselves.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_00: It was great, it was intimate.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_00: And it was just so strange sometimes.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_00: She'd be talking on camera like we are now.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_00: While there's some guy being like les around the room on a collar and lead with his knob out and a gimp mask and all that, you know, and she's just talking all normal.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_00: And then the guy just Be sitting there still in his mask, chatting away.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_00: They were normalizing.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_00: It was it was great for me.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_00: Because in 1998 I was into this, but I was in a relationship that didn't allow me to you know take that any further.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so for me, I was like, Oh my god, these people exist, they're like me.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_00: It was it was just great.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_00: I really, really enjoyed it.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_00: So, like I say, it was a small operation, and I'm gonna talk about some of the people that were involved.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_00: There was a guy called Ross Dale, and um he's like our best source of what happened behind the scenes and what it was all about.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_00: He published a book called Embedded Confessions of a TV Sex Journalist.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_00: A book.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_00: A book.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't read this.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_00: I think I need to, uh just out of curiosity, really.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_00: The chapter titles tell you everything you need to know, really.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_00: Some of them are so are these smoky blowjobs dangerous?
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_00: Another one, just be careful you don't get too close to your work.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_00: And then another, my mother always warned me about gangbangs.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_00: So these are the chapter titles, yeah.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, now uh before Playboy offered in the job, um, he was like a graduate and a little pretty sheltered life, really.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, he wasn't the the kind of guy who you'd immediately think he'd be perfect as like a host on a TV programme about sex.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but they saw something in him, and he was offered double the amount of money that he was on at the time.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_00: And he's like, Yeah, okay.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and he saw the assignments, you know.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_00: He was he was told he could be going to Amsterdam brothels and stuff like this.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_00: Now it wasn't like woo, it was like, oh, this could be interesting.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and that sort of reaction got him the job.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_00: So one of Rossdale's um segments was about an adult baby.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_00: I remember watching this, and so a researcher to get the details.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it was a man from Albuquerque, and Rossdale was investigating uh adult infantilism, which is adult babies, and he wanted somebody who would be really open about it, and obviously it's a subject which is still taboo now.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_00: Misunderstood, it is misunderstood, um, but it's misunderstood because people aren't willing to talk about it.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_00: This is 1998, and this guy he had a full-size playpen, a crit I've seen this, personalised um nappies, and um like a bow peep bonnet, he had all sorts of different costumes, like proper full baby outfits, yeah.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_00: Dummies, we call them pacifiers, and bottles and all that you know, um pins for the nappies, all that kind of thing, diapers in the US.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um and this was wasn't just a kink for him, it was his life, it had become his life, you know.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like I say, he had a play pen and all that, and he was married, and it was called serious problems in his marriage.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_00: And Rossdale wants to go and speak to him and you know, find out how entrenched he was in his kink and how it affected his life.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_00: So, this is the sort of journalism they were doing.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't just come and have you know, let's have a laugh at this guy who's an adult baby.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't that at all.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_00: It was let's go meet this guy that's got this really unusual interest and fetish.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_00: We'll try and do it in a way that doesn't sensationalise it, but let's keep it real and see how it does actually affect his day-to-day life.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_00: This is exactly what they did.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_00: It was great.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_01: That's what people want now.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_01: They I find no one sort of recoils in horror at anything anymore, is shot, but everyone more people are interested.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_01: They just want to listen, talk.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_01: Not judge, but find out, discover.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely, people are interest rather than intrigue.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_01: No, intrigues, right?
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's probably I think intrigue, interest, it it's there's nothing negative about it.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's not like ee you freak.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's wow, yeah.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_00: I mean there are people out there that still say that.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_00: There are, yeah.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_01: I think we just mix with different people, so we don't really say it.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_00: But we're not exposed to that quite so much because we surround ourselves people that are like us.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, obviously we're on Facebook and I put myself out there and I do get quite a bit.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_00: But actually, on the whole, most people are like, I don't understand, I don't really need to understand, but I accept.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_00: And actually, what you're saying interests me.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_00: I'll never be into it, but I'm interested in what you've got to say.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_00: And that's enough for me.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_01: And normally you can find something that you might not be into, but the feeling that say this adult baby gets for being an adult baby, you'll get from something else.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_01: So then you suddenly go, Yeah, I can see why, actually.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly that.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, after seeing this episode, I was a lot younger, obviously, but um and pre just pre-children.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_00: And um I uh this was the first time I'd ever seen an air thought like this, and it did shock me, but it didn't make me go, yeah.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's sort of there was a moment for me that made me go, uh I'm definitely a kinkster because there's nothing about this guy that makes me go, you're just a weirdo.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I just what the fuck, mate.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe it was the way it was put across in the programme as well, I don't know.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_00: But it made me think, okay, but this this guy's into kink, and that's sound, it's not my kink, but I I get you, mate, I get you.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um it's what made me go, and I need to look into this a bit more.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_00: It was only years later, really, that I could.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, this guy's marriage ended, unfortunately, because he started asking um his wife he could start bringing nappies into the bedroom, and she was like, no, and that was it.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but this Rossdale, the host, what he he found out, this guy who was dressing as an adult baby, living an adult baby, he used to live directly uh across the street from from Rossdale.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, went to the same school, played hockey there and everything.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_00: And so it made him think that this guy is in a completely different stratosphere to Rossdale.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_00: But actually, the they literally lived right next door to each other, and so therefore, any of our neighbours could be into anything, and he'd never guessed this of this guy.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_01: You never know what's going on behind anyone's closed door.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_00: You don't, and that brings us beautifully on to trigger the horse.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_00: Because you never know that the person next door to you might be into pony play.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_01: I think you'd know that.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_00: Well, if they sort of prancing around a back garden in a bridle, going or there's horse box on the drive.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_01: And you haven't got a horse.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_01: Or there's veins on the washing line, big sacks of carrots outside.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_01: Suddenly hay bales are getting delivered on a random Tuesday.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_01: There's gonna be signs that they're into that, isn't there?
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_00: Whipcracking going on.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, the film and crew wanted um to find somebody who was into pony play.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and we have talked about it before, but if you haven't watched previous episodes, oh you're watching this as a reel, um, it's adults taking on horse or pony identities, and sometimes they'll wear harnesses, bridles, they'll be into training, and they take on the behaviour, and it's it's very uh detailed, you know.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_00: They scrutinize the behaviour of the horse and pony and and mimic that.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_00: So, anyway, they found somebody called Trigger, uh, who was into pony play, and he was quite explicit about what you why he was in, not explicit in a sexual way, explicit in the description of what he was into and why.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_00: Again, I remember this because it reminded me of Trigger's Broom of OnlyFools and Horses.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_00: If you're not in the UK and you haven't watched OnlyFools and Horses, Trigger will mean nothing.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_00: If you are, you'll know exactly what I mean.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, so they interviews him and everything else, and they wanted to get a group photograph the crew and the guy.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_00: And he was like, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_00: But when the photo's being taken, Trigger kept looking away.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_00: And the crew were like, Will you just look at the camera?
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_00: And he's like, What are you doing?
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, he explained that horses would never look directly at a camera knowingly like that.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_01: And so even then, he was still in the horse mode, put blinkers on him, he was right there.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, that was commitment, really.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he was wearing all the gear, but he was you know behaving like a horse as well.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_00: He was doing all this, he wouldn't keep still for the photograph, he wouldn't look directly.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_01: Fascinates me the movement the human body can do.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_00: He studied them, you know.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_01: Have you seen them do the dressage?
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we've spoken about dressage before.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um, one particular guy was amazing at it.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_00: He must have studied dressage for hours.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_00: Just little things, uh it's just nuts.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_01: They pick up mannerisms that you wouldn't even think an animal has, but they notice them.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_00: And when he had the mane on, and he did all that, and he went all.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, he was brilliant, absolutely brilliant.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, another one that I want to talk about.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_00: Uh there's another house called Susanna Breslin, who was really good.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_00: And I remember her doing a swinging one once, and she got a tit out, it was really funny.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and tits are amazing, by the way.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't a tit that was funny, it was the way she did it.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, so Susanna Breslin, she had worked as a reporter of the programme for about five years, and she later described Sex Etra as uh 60 minutes but on Viagra, and she described the job um as basically talking on camera while people had sex behind her.
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, she said that um Sexetra wanted the segments to be around eight minutes, so they had to fit what they wanted in eight minutes.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes they did do a longer one, but it might have been covering a broader fetish and then talking to individual type people.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_00: But mainly it was around eight minutes.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_00: They were short, they they squished a lot in 60 minutes.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_00: They did.
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, why eight minutes?
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_00: Susanna Breslin said, the executive producer said that this was approximately how long they believed the average male would need to wank and come.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_00: Spooge.
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_00: So they said that, you know, if they're watching a segment then the and they enjoyed the content, they might start pleasuring themselves and it'd take around eight minutes before they were ready to come, and so they'd need to be finished the segment.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_00: So any tit shots or anything like that would have to be done by around eight minutes because then they'd be splooging.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_00: That was that was an executive decision, apparently.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_01: That's mental.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's no like real scientific evidence behind it, just like some guy in a room probably said, I take around eight minutes.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_00: How about you, Bazzy?
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_00: Around eight minutes, how about you, John?
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_00: All right, well, should we say about eight minutes?
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_00: Depends what I'm watching.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_01: I can normally get it done eight to ten minutes.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_01: Basically, you knew how long the producers were wanking for.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly that gave away their own.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly that.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_00: It's guys in a room, isn't it?
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_00: Saying, How long do you reckon?
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm about eight.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's decent porn.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_00: Not maybe seven.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_00: So that was the reason behind that.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there was some censorship around it as well, which was nuts.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, this is a programme about sex at the end of the day, and apparently penetration uh was generally a problem on camera, as you'd uh expect.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_00: So the editors would get creative, she couldn't actually see the penis uh inserting, yeah.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_00: So Rossdale, who I was mentioning before, he said they used essentially Austin Powers style censorship, so strategically placed objects, camera angles, and he said, you know, there was one time, and they were like, oh, the camera was like not quite uh blocking out the penetration, and they just moved a lamp like a small table lamp, so you could still see the top half doing that banging, but you couldn't actually see the cock going in and out because the bottom of the lamp is covering.
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_01: So these are decisions that noise either, can you?
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_00: So there's these decisions that you're having to make, you know, actually on location.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_00: I just moved that lamp because I can see too much cock.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_00: Ross Dale said that the stories just didn't work though without showing the penis.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_00: He said, he said, it was basically like uh it called the Jaws principle.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_00: If you're watching Jaws, you've got to show the shark.
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_00: And Playboy agreed with him.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and Dale claims that um Playboy TV broadcast the first ever erection on TV.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_01: I was gonna say, I think it's still a thing that you're not allowed to show an erect penis on UK TV.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_01: You can have flaccid, but you can't have erect.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_01: Which is mad.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like I said before, it went right round the world.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and in the UK, apparently they were getting complaints to Ofcom about the programme.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_00: Just switch it off, love.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_00: But apparently, there was one particular episode uh which received loads of complaints, and um it prevented it from being shown any any more, it's withdrawn from mainstream UK television, and it was sexualised water torture.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_00: I agree with this.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I've been involved in Japanese water torture as a giver.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_00: I probably don't know whether I've talked about it.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not going to, I'm not going to give you any detail whatsoever.
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, two tops, one bottom, all of us talked about it thoroughly beforehand.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_00: Don't do it unless you're with somebody who knows what they're doing, please.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, this was sexualised water torture.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure exactly how they did it.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't see it.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, it wasn't aired here.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but what they were saying, Playboy's Defence was would document someone that exists and it's editorial material rather than pornography.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_00: But what they're trying to do is show some of that work that that goes on and not hide it so people then attempt to do it and do it wrong.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_01: Educational.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's a bit more than educational, uh, it was more a warning as well, really.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this is how it's done.
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, um Setra basically spent years dancing that line though.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_00: Very, very, very fine line.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, they did have quite a lot of stuff that had to be withdrawn from different countries around the world.
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_00: Certain things weren't acceptable and all that.
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_00: Not everybody remembered the problem the programme fondly.
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, as I talked about Susanna Breslin before, she said that the sex industry and filming it for so long was partly responsible for her breakdown.
• 58:41
  SPEAKER_00: She had a nervous breakdown.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_00: She loved it and she doesn't regret it.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_00: But she did see some stuff behind the scenes which maybe didn't sit comfortably with her.
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_00: She did see some ladies behind the scenes who may have been crying and she was questioning why.
• 58:55
  SPEAKER_00: She might have been questioning her own decision to go and film some of these things.
• 58:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but you know, she's made her peace with this.
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and everybody she said were okay.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_00: It was more her battling with things, but she she did, she does, um, she's proud of what she did on the programme still.
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_00: Kira Reid, who I talked before, has got a completely different experience.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_00: She's done nothing but speak positively about sex etc and working for Playboy.
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, nothing but positive stuff.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and she said she felt in control 100%.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_00: She never felt exploited.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_00: Everything she did was her choice.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like I said before, going back to the beginning.
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_00: It was a small crew, they found the targets, if you like, the sources, they wrote it, they decided what they were going to be involved in.
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, there might have been executive producers in the background who they were talking to and running things past.
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and they might have been, oh, have you thought about this?
• 59:52
  SPEAKER_00: But they were never forced to do it.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_01: It was the crew that the shot in a way.
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, full control.
• 59:59
  SPEAKER_00: So her account and her memories are very positive.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_00: She doesn't regret it one little bit.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_00: And actually, she progressed uh through the channel from writer, seg producer, cast and producer, supervisor and producer, she did really, really well out of the programme.
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_00: Good, really, really, really well.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_00: And she went on to do loads of other stuff in her own right, away from the programme.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um, for years later, she's done loads, loads, and loads of stuff.
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_00: So I could go on about some of the other people there, but you know, we are running on.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_00: I want to do some other stuff.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_00: But I just wanted to give Sexetra a little nod because it was a cracking moment in TV.
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, trail blazing TV.
• 1:00:36
  SPEAKER_00: Really glad it went right around the world, it went right round Europe, all over the place.
• 1:00:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, Sexetra did move on to the internet, they were one of the first to not be held back, if you like, from the fact that people are starting to view more on the internet.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_00: They do have an um a channel online.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_00: That's something they always say, isn't it?
• 1:00:55
  SPEAKER_01: The porn industry.
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's always been my one they like did the first ever 3D films, they did the first ever.
• 1:01:02
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's really they're always one step ahead of everybody else.
• 1:01:05
  SPEAKER_01: When people look at what to do, look at what the porn industry are doing.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_01: Because that's going to be the next big thing.
• 1:01:11
  SPEAKER_00: The thing about it though, the porn industry is a good experimental medium because it's not going out into Hollywood on big screens, so they can afford to um test out 3D and stuff like that.
• 1:01:24
  SPEAKER_00: If it goes wrong, there's not billions of pounds at stake.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we used to uh hire the club out sometimes to film companies who did porn shoots, and there's this one particular company which I won't mention, uh, not threatened, they haven't consented.
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and they used 3D cameras once um for the first time.
• 1:01:41
  SPEAKER_00: They were experimenting in the club.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, it was so good.
• 1:01:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was really good.
• 1:01:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and it blew my mind porn on 3D, nuts.
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, they went online, they went global, and it's still around now.
• 1:01:54
  SPEAKER_00: Playboy uh still own the rights, etcetera.
• 1:01:58
  SPEAKER_00: So the the care about it that much to want to still keep hold of the the brand.
• 1:02:04
  SPEAKER_00: And you never know, they might do something else with it one day.
• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_01: Might well they've got their own TV channel, haven't they?
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_00: So you never know, it might come back.
• 1:02:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um I'd love to see it again.
• 1:02:14
  SPEAKER_00: I might have a little dig around, see if I can find some old episodes or some reels at least.
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like etcetera, but sex etra, if you want to look it up.
• 1:02:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, please do if you want a little bit of nostalgia and look back at how we did it back then before everything was so accessible online.
• 1:02:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so there we go.
• 1:02:34
  SPEAKER_00: Pardon me.
• 1:02:34
  SPEAKER_00: Pardon you, Baz.
• 1:02:36
  SPEAKER_00: Let it all out.
• 1:02:36
  SPEAKER_00: Stem biscuits, they're nice, stem the Jaffa cake ones.
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:02:41
  SPEAKER_00: We've got three different types of biscuits here today, folks.
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_00: We've got um we've got chocolate like digesters, but they've got like a Jaffa cake.
• 1:02:49
  SPEAKER_00: They're not quite caramel, but got a bit of a chew, haven't they?
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's very nice.
• 1:02:53
  SPEAKER_01: And then we've got you like chocolate orange, you'll like very nice.
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't think it would, you know.
• 1:02:57
  SPEAKER_00: No, and then we've got strawberries and cream biscuits, like sandwich biscuits, very nice.
• 1:03:03
  SPEAKER_00: And we've got Viennese fingers, which are like a short bread with milk chocolate in the middle.
• 1:03:07
  SPEAKER_01: They're the best biscuits, then.
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_00: These they dunk really well.
• 1:03:11
  SPEAKER_00: So the reason I got these the other day, I went to the shop to get some paracesamol.
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_00: I was actually in the pub and then hit somebody.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I only had my card or my phone on me, you need to pay.
• 1:03:23
  SPEAKER_00: And there's a minimum spend.
• 1:03:26
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, Viennese fingers, I haven't seen them for ages.
• 1:03:28
  SPEAKER_00: So that's why we've got Viennese fingers.
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_00: Don't have that one because I've just fingered it.
• 1:03:32
  SPEAKER_00: I'll put it there.
• 1:03:32
  SPEAKER_00: Right, Lady Lobosomy, let's do it, eh?
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_00: So this one, um I like these.
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_00: This, I've not had one like this before.
• 1:03:41
  SPEAKER_00: Oh and um anyway, let's just let's just read it.
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_00: Dear, Lady Lobotomy.
• 1:03:51
  SPEAKER_00: I've lost my wank sock.
• 1:03:59
  SPEAKER_01: Okay now.
• 1:04:00
  SPEAKER_00: Then it says, Ha! Got your attention and it bloody did.
• 1:04:05
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what I was expecting, but it wasn't that.
• 1:04:08
  SPEAKER_01: Stuck to you on this idea, bad mate.
• 1:04:11
  SPEAKER_00: I remember going into the lads' room when they were younger and picking crusty socks up.
• 1:04:16
  SPEAKER_00: It's just grim.
• 1:04:18
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know being a parent of a teenage boy, Baz, it's it's just it home your mind.
• 1:04:23
  SPEAKER_00: It blows your mind at the same time.
• 1:04:25
  SPEAKER_00: Some of the things I'm not I'm I'm not gonna go on.
• 1:04:27
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, let's do it again.
• 1:04:29
  SPEAKER_00: I've lost my wank sock.
• 1:04:33
  unknown: Okay.
• 1:04:33
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know who that is, but I fucking loved them already.
• 1:04:35
  SPEAKER_00: So, the real story.
• 1:04:37
  SPEAKER_00: I have a thing for ears.
• 1:04:40
  SPEAKER_00: I like to lick them, nibble them, suck them, and stroke them.
• 1:04:44
  SPEAKER_00: They feel so good.
• 1:04:46
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like I was reading a soft porn.
• 1:04:48
  SPEAKER_00: However, it's surprising how many people don't like the ears being touched, and I don't get to indulge in this simple fessish much.
• 1:04:55
  SPEAKER_00: However, I met a guy recently who asked to do it, asked me to do it, and I couldn't believe it.
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_00: Then he did it to me, but I didn't like it at all.
• 1:05:08
  SPEAKER_00: It was like a slimy worm in my ear, not sexy one little bit.
• 1:05:12
  SPEAKER_00: However, I liked the guy and just went along with it.
• 1:05:15
  SPEAKER_00: We've seen each other a lot since, and I really like him.
• 1:05:19
  SPEAKER_00: He knows ears are my thing, so it's become a regular part of our fun time, but I still haven't told him I hate to receive it, as I don't want to disappoint him because we're still new.
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_00: Now it's gone on too long.
• 1:05:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um I'm in that position where you should have said something sooner, and I didn't, and now it's a thing.
• 1:05:37
  SPEAKER_00: Help.
• 1:05:39
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, love Kurt 22.
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_01: Go and get a person.
• 1:05:44
  SPEAKER_00: Prince Albert, ooh.
• 1:05:46
  SPEAKER_00: No, to stop him.
• 1:05:50
  SPEAKER_01: Because you've got yourself.
• 1:05:52
  SPEAKER_01: Go and get a person in your ear.
• 1:05:53
  SPEAKER_01: Gonna buy yourself at least six weeks of oh no, don't.
• 1:05:57
  SPEAKER_01: And in that time you can Steer them towards something else you really do like, and it's 21 days to form a new habit.
• 1:06:06
  SPEAKER_00: That's a that's a really complicated way of dealing with that.
• 1:06:09
  SPEAKER_00: You want one of his ears pierced, then you have to get both pierced because he's if he's just licked the other ear, you've got fucking twenty.
• 1:06:17
  SPEAKER_00: But I just find that interesting, let's just take that back.
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_00: So Kurt 22.
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_00: He likes to play the other people's ears.
• 1:06:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's obviously a fetish for him.
• 1:06:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um I can't like the feel of ears, so I don't mind.
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_00: I've got a fetish for them, but yeah, I get it.
• 1:06:31
  SPEAKER_00: But he doesn't like it done to him.
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_00: But he's it sounds like he's only just discovered it because nobody is not many people are into it.
• 1:06:37
  SPEAKER_00: And this guy has stuck a tongue in his ear and he's gone, uh he didn't like it.
• 1:06:41
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's not unusual because there's things that I like to do to other people.
• 1:06:45
  SPEAKER_00: I don't like give and receive and myself, but he really didn't like it.
• 1:06:49
  SPEAKER_00: He should have said something sooner, but because it's new, or maybe think it's not gonna go any further and see him again, maybe.
• 1:06:55
  SPEAKER_00: Now it's happening a lot, and it's a bit too awkward now.
• 1:06:58
  SPEAKER_00: How does he tell him?
• 1:06:59
  SPEAKER_00: Right thing, piercing his ears is a little bit complicated, buzz.
• 1:07:01
  SPEAKER_01: Just say to you having to say, right, well, don't pierce them, then just get clippings.
• 1:07:06
  SPEAKER_01: Clippins?
• 1:07:07
  SPEAKER_01: Little pearls.
• 1:07:09
  SPEAKER_01: So I get it though, because I'm I'm very similar.
• 1:07:12
  SPEAKER_01: There's things I like to do to people that I don't like being done to me.
• 1:07:16
  SPEAKER_01: People some like to give pleasure, some don't get as much pleasure receiving it.
• 1:07:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I get more pleasure from giving it to somebody else than I do from them giving it to me all the time.
• 1:07:26
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 1:07:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and in some moods, I'm very givy.
• 1:07:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:07:29
  SPEAKER_00: So I like to give more than receive and all that, you know.
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_00: But the first thing I thought with this um curse is 22.
• 1:07:38
  SPEAKER_00: Now, you know, but you're by no means, you know, uh a pup.
• 1:07:42
  SPEAKER_00: But uh at 22, I think I would have found it harder to have those sorts of conversations because I think with maturity comes the understanding that it's okay to say these things, and most people are fine hearing them.
• 1:07:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's ourselves and how we've like made it in our brain.
• 1:08:01
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we've developed it into this big fucking problem that you know it's gonna be embarrassing and everything.
• 1:08:07
  SPEAKER_00: And it's just not.
• 1:08:08
  SPEAKER_00: No, and when you're younger, I think you just make a bigger deal out of something that really isn't a deal.
• 1:08:14
  SPEAKER_00: And also, I think as you get older, you uh you feel more confident to have the awkward conversations and more able to deal with any sort of stuff you weren't expecting coming back at you.
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_00: At 22, you just want it to be a bit easier, you don't want to embarrass yourself and the other person, and then you end up dealing with shit like this.
• 1:08:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but then there's also if Kurt's 22, we'll assume his partners round about the same age.
• 1:08:38
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we don't know because it they're gay men and often there's a g an age gap, but I don't know.
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_01: It can be hard to hear at that age as well.
• 1:08:44
  SPEAKER_01: You can't be mature enough to go.
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what?
• 1:08:46
  SPEAKER_01: That's fine if that's what you don't like.
• 1:08:47
  SPEAKER_01: That's who they might take it as a criticism, which probably wouldn't.
• 1:08:52
  SPEAKER_01: But you might find that they actually prefer getting it than they do giving it.
• 1:08:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like I prefer to give pleasure, they might prefer to receive it.
• 1:09:00
  SPEAKER_01: They just sort of feel obligated.
• 1:09:02
  SPEAKER_01: So you could find a way without getting your ears pierced if fucking that's a bit too much.
• 1:09:08
  SPEAKER_01: Then steer them to something else that you really enjoy them doing.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_01: And then even if it's your neck or your nipples being played with that's a good idea.
• 1:09:20
  SPEAKER_01: You can steer their head further down.
• 1:09:22
  SPEAKER_00: You do it every time.
• 1:09:23
  SPEAKER_01: And then you can do the ears to them, they can do the nipple to you, and you can also just maybe even start a conversation of we've been seeing each other a while now.
• 1:09:35
  SPEAKER_01: Is there anything you want to do?
• 1:09:36
  SPEAKER_01: Explore a fantasy together, take it away from will we do this where the ears are every single time.
• 1:09:43
  SPEAKER_01: And just explore, learn.
• 1:09:45
  SPEAKER_00: That's a good idea.
• 1:09:47
  SPEAKER_00: Directing the attention away by exploring something else.
• 1:09:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:09:51
  SPEAKER_00: I like it.
• 1:09:52
  SPEAKER_01: You're welcome.
• 1:09:55
  SPEAKER_00: See, you're really you're good at lady lobosomy.
• 1:09:58
  SPEAKER_01: I love lady lobosomy, you know.
• 1:10:00
  SPEAKER_00: Really good.
• 1:10:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um, that's a good idea.
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't think about that.
• 1:10:04
  SPEAKER_00: I was just gonna say, you know, that obviously with your age, you might not be able to have the conversation, but it's okay to have the conversation.
• 1:10:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that needs to be said as well.
• 1:10:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:10:12
  SPEAKER_00: You know, uh, sometimes throughout our lives, we have conversations that are uncomfortable.
• 1:10:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and we might not know what sort of response we're gonna get.
• 1:10:20
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I don't feel equipped for it, but you're not gonna be equipped unless you start having the conversations in the first place.
• 1:10:25
  SPEAKER_01: But you could also ask them is there anything I do that you're not that keen on?
• 1:10:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:10:30
  SPEAKER_01: Or that you think you'd prefer if that would open up the conversation.
• 1:10:34
  SPEAKER_01: They would then almost naturally put the question back onto you and say, Well, is there anything I do to you that you're not keen on?
• 1:10:42
  SPEAKER_01: And then you can say, Well, I love licking your ears, but you know when you did it to me, it's sort of like that's what I do to you, not what I want from you.
• 1:10:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:10:48
  SPEAKER_01: And move along.
• 1:10:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:10:49
  SPEAKER_01: And you chat about it.
• 1:10:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:10:51
  SPEAKER_01: But it's always hard to start, and our anxiety will always make it worse than it ever actually is.
• 1:10:56
  SPEAKER_00: I think younger guys get in the head an awful loss.
• 1:10:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:10:59
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't think men did, you know, and uh it's terrible.
• 1:11:02
  SPEAKER_00: And it's only as I've got older that I realise stupidly that you know, men go through exactly the same mental turmoil, the same ups and downs.
• 1:11:10
  SPEAKER_00: You're just guys, you just have different appendages.
• 1:11:13
  SPEAKER_00: And it's only since you know, obviously, you know, being with Jim and having the lads and seeing them grow up, guys can be just as sensitive, can be just as embarrassed about things like this.
• 1:11:21
  SPEAKER_00: Really, I don't know why it's in the case of me until I had my own kids.
• 1:11:25
  SPEAKER_00: It's just stupid, doesn't it?
• 1:11:26
  SPEAKER_01: Because when we grew up, it was that's a woman thing and that's a blow.
• 1:11:29
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it's so damaging that, Baz.
• 1:11:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's so fucking damaging.
• 1:11:31
  SPEAKER_00: That's why I set up with all wise guys in the first place.
• 1:11:33
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna go into that.
• 1:11:34
  SPEAKER_00: So, yes, love it.
• 1:11:37
  SPEAKER_00: Something else that you like, you like you say maybe nipples, whatever your other thing is, you could maybe direct him towards that other thing and explore that together.
• 1:11:44
  SPEAKER_01: Back kisses, yeah.
• 1:11:46
  SPEAKER_01: You can just roll and let them kiss you back.
• 1:11:49
  SPEAKER_01: Do what anything they're gonna go towards your head with for their ear, and you can just guide them.
• 1:11:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:56
  SPEAKER_00: You're there, and if all else fails, next time you go in the bedroom, we're ear defenders.
• 1:12:01
  SPEAKER_01: Or put some cotton wool in and say you've got and a bit of what is it, olive oil?
• 1:12:05
  SPEAKER_00: Olive oil.
• 1:12:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I've got an ear infection.
• 1:12:07
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 1:12:07
  SPEAKER_00: That's just gonna exacerbate the problem, don't you?
• 1:12:09
  SPEAKER_00: It'll buy you a day or two.
• 1:12:10
  SPEAKER_00: Have the conversation or find something else that you can that you can.
• 1:12:13
  SPEAKER_01: But start the conversation along the lines of either steer them away or is there anything you don't like, or is there anything you now you've been seeing each other a f a while, you can say what is there anything you haven't told me you like?
• 1:12:25
  SPEAKER_01: Is there anything you particularly fancy trying you can glean information out of people by asking them the questions that you want to ask them to ask you?
• 1:12:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:12:34
  SPEAKER_00: Brilliant.
• 1:12:35
  SPEAKER_00: Well you said all that okay, that's done.
• 1:12:38
  SPEAKER_00: Right then.
• 1:12:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I hope you find your wang sock.
• 1:12:42
  SPEAKER_00: Right, so Kirse, I really hope that helps.
• 1:12:44
  SPEAKER_00: This hasn't come through uh that long ago.
• 1:12:47
  SPEAKER_00: So I actually emailed back uh and just said, listen to episode 153.
• 1:12:51
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna cover it on that.
• 1:12:53
  SPEAKER_01: Fair dudes.
• 1:12:53
  SPEAKER_01: So your best ad.
• 1:12:55
  SPEAKER_00: To your best ad.
• 1:12:56
  SPEAKER_01: Well, as I'm gonna come and look at you.
• 1:12:59
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god.
• 1:13:02
  SPEAKER_00: Red, red.
• 1:13:05
  SPEAKER_00: Right, we're gonna finish our little fetish factoid.
• 1:13:09
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna keep it short because I'm bringing it on for I could I've got four pages and I'm not.
• 1:13:13
  SPEAKER_00: Well, nobody needs four pages on this.
• 1:13:15
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just gonna bring it in.
• 1:13:16
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:13:17
  SPEAKER_00: So do you know the muffin man?
• 1:13:20
  SPEAKER_00: The muffin man! He lives on Drury Lane.
• 1:13:22
  SPEAKER_00: That fella.
• 1:13:23
  SPEAKER_00: So, do you know what autophilatio is?
• 1:13:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's self-sucking.
• 1:13:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 1:13:32
  SPEAKER_01: Get in, I got one right.
• 1:13:33
  SPEAKER_00: Sucking your own dick.
• 1:13:34
  SPEAKER_01: Fuck knows how they do that, you know.
• 1:13:36
  SPEAKER_00: Well, the reason I'm bringing it up is because, yes again, I saw the guy doing it on porn.
• 1:13:40
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:13:41
  SPEAKER_00: I was so impressed.
• 1:13:42
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I thought it was a compilation of different guys doing this thing, but it wasn't the same guy.
• 1:13:48
  SPEAKER_00: There's obviously not many guys that can do it.
• 1:13:50
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 1:13:50
  SPEAKER_01: But this is.
• 1:13:50
  SPEAKER_01: I've tried like it's not happening.
• 1:13:52
  SPEAKER_00: He's got a long penis, but he's very bendy.
• 1:13:55
  SPEAKER_00: Very bendy.
• 1:13:56
  SPEAKER_00: You should see what he does.
• 1:13:57
  SPEAKER_00: But he can do it, and he's obviously very guz at it.
• 1:14:00
  SPEAKER_00: He makes himself climax.
• 1:14:02
  SPEAKER_00: He comes in his own mouth.
• 1:14:04
  SPEAKER_00: I was so impressed.
• 1:14:07
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, apparently, um, only uh a fewer than 1% of men can do this.
• 1:14:14
  SPEAKER_00: It obviously depends on the size of your penis and how bendy you are.
• 1:14:17
  SPEAKER_00: So you've got to have both, and you know, doing yoga and Pilates and all that helps you.
• 1:14:21
  SPEAKER_01: I think the bend is the most important thing.
• 1:14:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you need to drink to like a proper hinge in your back.
• 1:14:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:14:29
  SPEAKER_01: Then you get jealous and you're not.
• 1:14:31
  SPEAKER_00: Now, apparently, two to three men in a thousand can touch their own penis with the tongue, but also fallacious when you're actually going the hell hog and you know, giving yourself a proper blowjob.
• 1:14:43
  SPEAKER_00: So there's not many men, less than one percent, can actually do it.
• 1:14:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and anatomy does matter, so your spine, hip, and hamstring flexibility, you've got to bring your legs right back, it's gonna pull your hamstring.
• 1:14:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so you've got to like warm up and do stretches beforehand and everything.
• 1:15:00
  SPEAKER_00: All that full stretches.
• 1:15:02
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, imagine like being horny as fuck.
• 1:15:04
  SPEAKER_00: Hang on a minute, I just gotta have a little stretch.
• 1:15:06
  SPEAKER_02: You've just got to do some style jumping.
• 1:15:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um apparently there's evidence uh that this may go back to uh ancient Egypt.
• 1:15:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there's there's some um artwork or whatever, hinting and text notes.
• 1:15:24
  SPEAKER_00: There's a pair called Shoot and Tefnos.
• 1:15:26
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna go into it, look into it yourself.
• 1:15:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, chilling, yeah.
• 1:15:30
  SPEAKER_00: And um also possibly in Greek times as well.
• 1:15:35
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Greek writer, I can't say his name.
• 1:15:38
  SPEAKER_00: Oh no, Artemidorus, I don't know.
• 1:15:42
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, there's some writings back then, and apparently there's there's some hints that it could have been a thing then.
• 1:15:47
  SPEAKER_00: Wouldn't surprise me, the Greeks were look at the end of the day, men have always had dicks.
• 1:15:51
  SPEAKER_00: If I had a dick long enough that I could suck, I'd do it and all.
• 1:15:54
  SPEAKER_00: So of course it goes back that far.
• 1:15:56
  SPEAKER_01: Well, blokes are simple creatures.
• 1:15:58
  SPEAKER_01: If we've got a dick, there's a hole, we're gonna try and put it in.
• 1:16:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, as long as legal.
• 1:16:03
  SPEAKER_01: If you think about somebody else doing it, you're gonna hit that point where you're gonna go, wonder if I can.
• 1:16:08
  SPEAKER_01: I would.
• 1:16:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I've tried without it.
• 1:16:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, nah.
• 1:16:14
  SPEAKER_00: And yours are quite substantial as well.
• 1:16:15
  SPEAKER_00: So here.
• 1:16:16
  SPEAKER_01: Apparently, word on the street.
• 1:16:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so anyway.
• 1:16:21
  SPEAKER_00: So I looked into if women could do this.
• 1:16:24
  SPEAKER_00: Now, apart obviously, if you think about the bend, you've got the penis coming up, so you've got a bit of lesser distance.
• 1:16:31
  SPEAKER_00: So for a woman to actually touch her flat to the cliff, you've got to go that extra mile, a good extra, what, seven inches, obviously, eight, nine inches, whatever.
• 1:16:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but there are some women that can do it, and again, we've seen it on porn.
• 1:16:46
  SPEAKER_00: I couldn't believe it.
• 1:16:48
  SPEAKER_00: I couldn't believe it.
• 1:16:49
  SPEAKER_00: This girl gets her legs right back, right back over her shoulders, and she's just like pulls herself in, it ribs, like she sucks in, it ribs pull in, she pulls her arms right forward, so her elbows are tucking her like her hips back, and then she bends her neck around, pulls her neck in and and and sucks her own clit.
• 1:17:10
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, she's got a big clit as well, and I think she pumps it first, so to get it a little bit, a bit of length on it.
• 1:17:16
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I should have been aroused, and you know, maybe I was like that going rewind.
• 1:17:22
  SPEAKER_00: Look at what she's doing there.
• 1:17:24
  SPEAKER_00: Fuck me, that's like superhuman.
• 1:17:26
  SPEAKER_00: So it wasn't porn for sexual arousal reasons, it was educational.
• 1:17:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:17:32
  SPEAKER_00: So decided to do a segment on it.
• 1:17:33
  SPEAKER_01: Fair enough.
• 1:17:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like them Russian contortionists, you know.
• 1:17:37
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that that is unrealistic.
• 1:17:39
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe they can do that.
• 1:17:40
  SPEAKER_00: Probably.
• 1:17:41
  SPEAKER_00: Well, if they've got if the guy's got a dick long enough, and if the girl, yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:45
  SPEAKER_00: So if you're interested, porn hub.
• 1:17:47
  SPEAKER_00: This is on porn hub.
• 1:17:48
  SPEAKER_01: Is it?
• 1:17:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:17:48
  SPEAKER_00: Would you type in for that?
• 1:17:50
  SPEAKER_00: Also fallacious.
• 1:17:51
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, uh, fairly.
• 1:17:51
  SPEAKER_01: Or self-sucker.
• 1:17:53
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe self-suck or uh self-blow job or something like that.
• 1:17:57
  SPEAKER_00: There's a guy, like I say, uh, I only found one on there, and there's a lot of them because he can do it.
• 1:18:01
  SPEAKER_00: And you can tell it's different videos.
• 1:18:03
  SPEAKER_01: I suppose if not many people can do it, you're gonna pretty much dominate that category, aren't you?
• 1:18:06
  SPEAKER_00: He's got a niche, but he's got a big gay following.
• 1:18:09
  SPEAKER_01: Has he?
• 1:18:09
  SPEAKER_00: The noises are interesting as well when he's sucking his own deck.
• 1:18:13
  SPEAKER_01: He's gotta breathe as well, ain't it?
• 1:18:14
  SPEAKER_01: Because you're gonna get out of breath, bending yourself.
• 1:18:17
  SPEAKER_00: That's why there's noises.
• 1:18:19
  SPEAKER_00: So it's not just like I'm not even gonna do the noise, it's like it's all that.
• 1:18:24
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 1:18:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:18:25
  SPEAKER_00: So it's interesting, folks.
• 1:18:27
  SPEAKER_00: Pornhub, also fellatio, look it off.
• 1:18:29
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know that guy's name.
• 1:18:31
  SPEAKER_00: Does he have a porn star name?
• 1:18:32
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, just the guy sucker zone deck.
• 1:18:34
  SPEAKER_01: You'll see him, there's loads of him.
• 1:18:35
  SPEAKER_00: There is.
• 1:18:36
  SPEAKER_00: It's fascinating, fascinating stuff.
• 1:18:38
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:18:38
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, so on that also fellatio bombshell, we're gonna go.
• 1:18:43
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just gonna give you a little reminder though at the end.
• 1:18:46
  SPEAKER_00: You would have heard on every other episode in the last four, I think, that from the next one, episode 154, video versions of this podcast will be Patreon only.
• 1:18:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:18:59
  SPEAKER_00: So um we'll be audio to the masses, so you're not gonna lose out at all.
• 1:19:04
  SPEAKER_00: You all the audio version will still go to everybody every Thursday as normal, but the video will be Patreon only for the next episode 154.
• 1:19:12
  SPEAKER_00: I've given you loads of notice now, so there shouldn't be a surprise.
• 1:19:15
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 1:19:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and on Patreon, you haven't got to sign up to the top tier for this.
• 1:19:20
  SPEAKER_00: The bottom tier, sorry, well, the tier that you need to look at is outpatience.
• 1:19:23
  SPEAKER_00: When you go on, you'll see it.
• 1:19:25
  SPEAKER_00: Outpatience, it's two pounds a month, it's 50p an episode.
• 1:19:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's not a lot.
• 1:19:30
  SPEAKER_01: You can't knock that for our beautiful face.
• 1:19:31
  SPEAKER_00: And you get it three days in advance of the audio as well.
• 1:19:34
  SPEAKER_00: So the audio goes on a Thursday, Patreon get the video on a Monday.
• 1:19:38
  SPEAKER_00: So you get it in advance.
• 1:19:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um and you might get some little behind-the-scenes things as well, but most things need to go to the next tier, which is uh in patience, and you get extras on that.
• 1:19:47
  SPEAKER_00: Top tier, you get loads and loads and loads of extra stuff.
• 1:19:50
  SPEAKER_00: But if you just want to see the videos, it's just 50p.
• 1:19:53
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, it's not a lot to you, but all the 50p is mount up for me.
• 1:19:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's a pack of biscuits for me, and you you help yourself there about.
• 1:20:01
  SPEAKER_00: So, for those who don't want to go over to video, can't afford to go to video or it's a principal thing, I totally nutly get it.
• 1:20:08
  SPEAKER_00: I respect that, and I'm just grateful that you're still willing to listen on audio.
• 1:20:12
  SPEAKER_00: So thank you for that.
• 1:20:14
  SPEAKER_00: I really do appreciate it.
• 1:20:16
  SPEAKER_00: So, if you're not going to join us on video, thank you so much for um sticking with us on video thus far.
• 1:20:22
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and I'll just catch up with you as normal on audio next week.
• 1:20:25
  SPEAKER_00: For those who do want to watch us on video, hopefully we'll see you all over on Patreon.
• 1:20:29
  SPEAKER_00: We'll do some gabbing over there and get to know you all as well.
• 1:20:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and you know, hopefully we we won't lose too many of you because of it.
• 1:20:38
  SPEAKER_00: We're worth watching, aren't we?
• 1:20:39
  SPEAKER_00: Come on, let's face it.
• 1:20:41
  SPEAKER_00: So we're gonna leave it there, and I'm gonna do the thing, am I?
• 1:20:44
  SPEAKER_00: Because you've put a biscuit in your mouth.
• 1:20:45
  SPEAKER_01: Because basically I can't remember it now, so I've distracted myself.
• 1:20:50
  SPEAKER_00: So if you've binge watching, put the kettle on.
• 1:20:53
  SPEAKER_00: We'll see you in five.
• 1:20:54
  SPEAKER_00: If not, we'll see you next week.
• 1:20:57
  SPEAKER_00: Bye.