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Talks to Dylan Rees about his choice of The Dalek Invasion of Earth (6/6) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

• 0:41
  Hello. So what we've been doing this,
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  I've just been someone's just shared a link with me about
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  possible to new Doctor Who animation.
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  I've just been told the same at that.
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  Yeah perfect I'll bet it's been a rumor floating around that an
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  episode of the Smugglers had been found.
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  So I mean, I'm I don't know, but maybe tight this has been going
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  around for quite a while that something to do with the smoke
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  has been found. So maybe that's why it's been
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  chose to be an animated and we might City Jamaica and of all
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  his glory. I just happen to have some
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  sketches here. I've been with his top off that
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  they can use Smugglers, animation, so need anything.
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  And a colorized unearthly child which I know they were talking
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  about doing for the 60th though the 50th.
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  So it kind of makes sense. I did.
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  I'm a bit on the fence with colorization.
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  Like I do think it's a good idea the certain stories but to be
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  honest, I don't lie, child and things like that, don't really
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  do it for me. I don't like was the favor of
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  black and white and some other color stories almost wanna make
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  a ones, turn a colored like, you know, if you see like Like color
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  photos from the war games and the sets are all quite bright.
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  And I'm like, colorized that give me a colorized version of
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  that. I want to see what it looks like
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  but unearthly child, it's like It's the Tardis which is
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  basically black and white. It's some caves which are
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  basically black and white and just as a landscape.
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  Yeah, I mean, I say that and I will buy it on every version
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  that they release abilities on another by all those animations
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  as well by on exactly this all over again.
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  Yeah. And if it's shit I will still
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  watch it several times again and again and again why I believe I
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  had fun doing the commentary on door. - did you try to gather
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  the Skinner professors are off and we Try to unpeel him
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  psychologically to see how he possibly got to this state.
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  We're just started. He had a terrorizing mother, you
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  know. It must have been a must be
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  trying to impress her ever since the creation of the Earth is the
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  only way I was going to do it. It was fun.
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  Yeah, I do love that story. It's so much fun.
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  Like, I know it's not very good but it is crazy but a lot of
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  doctor is so yeah. Yeah straight up I mean crazy.
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  But I've always loved the Smugglers.
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  So the idea of seeing that in any formats that may happen
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  would be very exciting. I just thinking just do the
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  Savages. I think the Savages would be to
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  read it. You know, who would think more
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  of it? I think this this witness
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  statement of why I kept everybody goes all you know
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  William Hartmann wasn't well towards the end and stuff like
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  that but in both the Savages and in the Smugglers, you listen to
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  those in your like he is fine form.
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  Knows what they're up to the elders.
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  Yeah. Your monstrous experiments.
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  That's great. Yes.
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  So I kind of by I don't buy that thing that he was, you know, not
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  very well towards the end and that affected at all this
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  performance. I think it was just hit and miss
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  from week to week. Really the more I watch on all
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  the more valuable I think he was to the show and the more
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  personality I see that he brings to it.
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  All right? I'm a massive fan of Davis and
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  stocks, are I like him quite a bit in 21.
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  Venus first thing, I'm a bit hit and miss because I do think it's
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  an incredible sort of naturalistic performers.
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  I don't think the doctor should ever quite be realistic and then
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  contrast hard, and I was just putting in so many ticks and
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  quirks and he's trying to like, you know, he's trying to rip
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  your attention from everything else and succeeding all this
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  not, you know, like he is Like he is this Mercurial wizard
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  grandfather. Crotchety like each.
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  It's all he's almost every version of the doctor we ever
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  see after that, but from moment to moment rather than like it's
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  all there in his performance almost.
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  And from day one, it's fantastic anything.
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  And I don't really think he drops the ball over.
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  I hope they rhyme out a lot, but gun fires, he's prettier than
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  the gun. He's absolutely on fire war.
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  Machines is fantastic in and, you know, the only story
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  realistically, right? Going to go perhaps.
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  He's not on point. It's the massacre because
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  there's no difference between the performance of the Abbot,
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  and the doctor, and you're like, what, why did he make that
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  choice? And also what's the point in the
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  doppelganger? Yeah, that's when it doesn't
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  really go anywhere, but then that speech he gives in episode
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  4. Yeah.
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  It's probably his best acting mobile industry.
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  You know exactly what except for the Sumner seen in the Romans.
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  Of course, yeah. Wait, he's waving that This Vice
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  both owners inductor. That's what we need.
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  Hmm. Therefore it will Rusty going to
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  come by. That's good.
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  Chance that I think it's the, what is so great.
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  This conversation, I'm going to add this to the episode and I'm
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  just going to start it somewhere here and then we'll count in
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  later. Wonderful.
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  And but are you ready for six? I am ready for six.
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  I'm ready for flash point, whatever.
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  The flashy point, maybe. Well, I shall very quickly, say,
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  then about three minutes. Into this episode.
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  Now, welcome back to master the Doctor Who come true podcast
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  major. Thought you didn't race.
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  Yes, here I am still here about to enter into the final moments
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  of the Daleks invasion of earth laughs.
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  You should press play, but I do have a question from our raw
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  fish. Just asked me downstairs.
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  He's asked me to ask you a question, so counters in I'll
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  ask. Okay, shall we do it in five?
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  Four, three, two, one, Often carried out in loves a countdown
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  clock account down the name, who doesn't is the best way to
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  literally hit climax. You know, you're going to get
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  there. It's like, once we hit one, we
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  notice the end of the story. I'll try that.
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  You know, next time I Mentor the climax 10/7 up.
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  Not only made it to seven. Sorry.
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  No the question was oh man I love that Batman angle that sort
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  of squiffy angle. Yeah.
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  Oh legs It's so cool. So cool.
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  And and the model works not bad. I have a look at that although
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  models. Is it?
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  I think you do the yeah. Sorry.
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  I see the work of the bomb. Oh look.
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  There's a little muddled darling with his that that little more.
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  It wasn't there last episode so that whether he remounted, if
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  they figure in that little model darling, you just leave it.
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  I got one right here. Look beautiful.
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  Absolutely. He hasn't got a source that I do
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  have the bank. Then, the question was, this
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  was, it's Susan. Too young to stroke.
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  Mary have a romance indeed, isn't she?
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  I mean, she's 15 apparently in the earth years, or that's what
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  she said, she was on the on planet Earth, but she could be
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  200. So, there's a potential.
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  But he's with a very old woman, actually.
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  I think it's changing attitudes and Changing Times.
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  People got married, very young, and got into a relationship
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  with, was their only relationship very young back.
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  Can the day, but now those hint never had of her being liked.
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  Sexually active, isn't it? Like that's not really but
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  there's that scene in the Aztecs where she's like, I would be
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  told who to marry either. Yeah, but that's more rejecting.
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  The idea of marriage rather than any hint of kind of sexuality
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  there at all. But I mean, yeah, I think from
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  today's standards if she's a sixteen-year-old girl than yes,
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  it is a very, very bad form on a grandfather's but you know,
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  they've been sort of maintenance.
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  Stays overnight in the sensor is they show her sort of gaining, a
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  bit of Independence that they and yeah, and rejecting his
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  authority of a little bit. Yeah, I think the problem, the
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  main problem with the Susan character is there's no
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  consistency in there. Like one minute, as you say in
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  the center, right, you do have this little bit of kind of
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  Independence and but it's just like the next week.
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  She's just screaming and crying and passing out there.
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  So there's yeah, there's no consistency all we've just seen
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  Ian full Downer a mine. A shaft that little that little
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  model guys. The aqua is great.
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  Yeah, but it's a little model and then it cuts to him going
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  down, a slide in a studio. Now, I'm fine.
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  It's like it's a complex. It's a complex production list.
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  I am getting more forgiving of Richard master that he's managed
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  to sew together, all these separate elements.
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  So you've got a model shot. You've got this sort of cutting
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  of the slide, then you've got location footage and then you've
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  got Studio footage. It's a lot.
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  Manage, I think I only really noticed how shoddy his Direction
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  could be sometimes when I compared it with the other
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  stories. And yeah, I watched the rescue
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  after this, which is very simple story, but with some really
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  beautiful camera work, and it added lighting and there's like
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  a sequence with heart low in that Temple at the end and
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  you've got Bennett coming in behind him and all the Smoky
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  second and it's like a really crafted shot.
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  You're not really getting any of that here.
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  No, not at all. I'd be interested to see Richard
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  Martin, we'd given a simpler story to Simply whether he did
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  do but also having the dance of the Daleks at the moment.
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  They're all getting very excited.
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  Which picks us up again, chase, you know, they do a lot of sort
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  of in and around singing their little Tardis song or I hate it.
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  When the Daleks move unnecessarily, I've hated it in
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  doomsday especially when they Shake every time they spoke like
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  they were really agitated it really grinds my gears but I'm
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  sure you know, other people love it.
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  I I sort of like the movement of their bits so very nonspecific
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  statement but yeah, I see what you're saying.
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  It can be, it can be a bit comical kind of.
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  Yeah, it's not too bad here but it's like they just also but it
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  points in this and in others, it does get a bit agitating.
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  So we've got Barbara about to give her It leads into a job,
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  doesn't it? So she stands all of history so
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  she puts together this very colorful and improbable mashup
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  of characters and events. Yeah you know earlier on she
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  said when there are heading to Bedford she was like, oh I used
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  to live in Bedford and that got me thinking that she might used
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  to commute into shortage every day because that's an hour and a
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  half without traffic. I wonder.
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  She's a bit grumpy. Yeah, exactly.
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  What does she want? Any old excuse to follow
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  students home? Yeah, it's no wonder.
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  She wants to shack up with it and she's like, I need the bed
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  somewhere closer to this school. And so, for our commutes round
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  trip every day. She's probably dirty, isn't she?
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  She's been done. Am on anyone afraid?
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  Her sort of dirty up the regulars.
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  Back in the 60s. I really like that.
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  You know, where how to, or to do their dusk has never so Ian
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  Chesterton at War because is there a true?
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  Absolutely adores him things. He is the ultimate hero.
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  The series We look at what he's doing right now is going down
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  ropes climbing into bombs down mines.
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  Moths save the Earth like this is the true heroic.
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  Ian Chesterton isn't it? Yeah and he is, he's the action
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  lead. The doctors a whole different
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  character like he is the doctor still believe but it's a
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  different type of lead in than we used to in conventional
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  storytelling these days and I think perhaps that's why it's
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  such a success because they've taken the intestines and
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  character which would be the lead in any other drama and
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  gone. We're going to almost Sidelines
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  that character and give you somebody different and more
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  interesting and that's where the f a bit of a daughtery old man.
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  I'm actually a really interesting dynamic as well.
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  That's what I loved about the Sarah Jane Adventures.
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  So, then you have this older woman as the late.
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  It's that would normally be the leads of a lot of secondary
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  characters. Yeah, such a fantastic idea.
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  He'll really perverse saying is after just talking about
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  children, but I have to say, for the sake of a climax, I would
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  have no issue at all with Ian Chesterton penetrating, my mind
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  shot, Beautiful. Well, I mean you know I mean you
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  saw the way with squatting in that bottom like I'm sure he
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  could do all sorts of magic tricks.
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  It's, very flexible man. That's how I went to a panto
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  twice this week and has taken notes the whole time.
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  Every time, every time that day we spoke I was like, right?
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  This is perfect material for hamster but it's like it's a bit
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  like the Daleks Now, isn't it? Like, there's a countdown.
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  A bomb is gonna go off. Yeah.
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  It's the same sort of For matters that, you know, it's
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  just, it's the same climax essentially, it's but it's the,
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  I guess kind of the stakes are higher because they're real
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  human beings. And if you're watching this in
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  1964, you're going like this all suddenly feels more relatable in
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  the way that falls and Garlic's necessarily don't.
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  Yeah, this is great, he's having a proper dance around that set.
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  That's probably what it. It's like them though is could
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  run around the playground with your arms out you know.
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  Yeah. But you compare this to just a
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  few stories time and what happens in dark master plan.
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  I mean, I know, we haven't seen all of it, but from the survival
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  episode, there's none of this kind of just going around for
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  the sake of us watching, Douglas Canfield was absolutely
• 14:48
  determined to make them scary that first scene, where young
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  fellow whose name I've forgotten is rummaging around in that,
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  Forest Falls to his knees and then there's that shot off of
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  the Dalek looking down. Yeah, it's fine.
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  And you're like, you're a different territory now.
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  Yeah. That's a completely different
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  like, especially considering I think I've unfairly kind of
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  grouped together, a lot of Richard Martin stuff because I
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  think there is this and his episodes of the Daleks.
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  And then there is the Chase and the web Planet, which to
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  enjoyable. But they are not technically
• 15:23
  well-executed and I think I loved it Chase but I think it's
• 15:28
  one of the most inept Salim. A Doctor Who's absolutely.
• 15:31
  It's an absolutely hate but it is not It's not well made but,
• 15:37
  you know what, they materialize, and that whole it house on that.
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  Daleks be on the pole colors before they arrived.
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  So, shawty with, there's a disappear.
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  Actually, we see in here later where there's a as the rebels
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  are escaping like as the rebels of the kind of one.
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  You see, Danny end of a corridor.
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  At the end of the corridor is the Senate from episode 1 and 6,
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  where the Tardis landed, just under that bridge because of
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  course Thank you. Get it.
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  I do buy the argument time, money, blah, blah, etc, etc.
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  But then I watched it that to surviving episodes daughters
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  knots, man. I would say, well, he had the
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  same amount of money. He had the same amount of time,
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  you know? Mike but also like, you didn't
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  get that in a lot of other stories that directed by lesser
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  directors, as well. But we're not just talking
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  Douglas County field here. We're talking everybody apart
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  from Richmond. But yeah, I don't really think
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  there's many shoddy directors except it's fella that they're
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  giving all the x 2. I think you know I think it's
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  only when you get into the 80s that we start getting and it's
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  not a case of shoddy directors in the 80s.
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  I think it's either inexperienced or too old school
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  and not it like unable to kind of keep up with sort of modern
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  production techniques like I'm thinking like Peter grimwade
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  being a fantastic director of the a tease but then, you know
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  like what's Johnny burn like history is just getting worse
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  and worse and worse and by the end of it or Pete's them off it
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  as well. Bye.
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  I don't think I'm Johnny Burns mother.
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  You're thinking of Ron Jones on Japan's yet Ron Jones, that's
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  it. It's like I think Ron Jones
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  learns, I think I think he's startled grateful in like time
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  Flyers up like that. And then by the time you get to
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  mindwarp, he's actually under these getting the lighting,
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  right? Yeah, I suppose, you know, I
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  suppose you're right here, I'm trying to think here or
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  something but I don't know. Anyway, I just find the 80s hit
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  and miss as a lot is a lot more hit and miss that, I think
• 17:31
  sixties Doctor Who is, I think the only other Other thing I
• 17:34
  could probably point a finger at is, maybe the underwater Menace
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  but I think that was just too ambitious rather than it being
• 17:41
  the directors fault. I just don't think anybody could
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  have done that Justice. I still fit that down.
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  So the fish people is very many ways for many years that during
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  the first lot. Not have any use for many months
• 17:55
  during the first lock down that fish background.
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  That was my zoom background, whenever I was on Zoom, just
• 18:00
  floating fish people and that's what to ask for.
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  Kroll, just going like that and the backgrounds.
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  Oh man, even better. So Carrie, what's the plan?
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  I think heart was about to tell all the robo men that this order
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  cannot be countermanded. Now, mister earlier that Barbara
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  already tried that, but the Daleks kicked out the way.
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  So really the doctors use in Barbara's plan.
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  That's was going to save the day all along.
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  So you trying to tell me that when they were in that dark
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  souls and if so to what they have to do is grab a microphone
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  and go attack the flex and their son could have been over.
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  Yeah, I mean anybody in this in this could have finished the
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  story alongside hope I see. Look at this POV shot of the
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  Donald is glorious and you get him.
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  It's a Dalek facing off with the first doctor that you get
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  shortly, and it's gorgeous. And it's like, a proper hero
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  moment for the doctor. You can even see Sucker.
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  They're just so, you know, it's definitely a Dalek.
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  Yeah, it's absolutely gorgeous. Now, look here, what's that?
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  Dalek operator doing smoking inside the barrel off again.
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  They're all off. These are really excited.
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  Say sequence in the second on location when all the miners
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  come running out holding up a Dalek.
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  Oh yeah, it's gorgeous. Like it's just And again really
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  well-executed like it's obviously been rehearsed because
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  on the day and they thought about their angles, they thought
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  about what I was going to do and everyone's given their all and
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  even though there's only 50 extra stay or something like
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  that, it feels like it could be thousands.
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  Mmm, your imagination. Sort of does the rest, doesn't
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  it that poor old man? He's always in it.
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  Whatever they're saying, is that old man in the face?
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  Yeah, we just thought we did, we did just see Barbara during her
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  dialogue with my friend, while it lasts teaching kids teaching
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  It started with Dalek impression.
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  It's brilliant. It's not quite as good as
• 20:01
  hartnell's was it? I fought them all.
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  So, there it is. That it.
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  Can you see? You may have just missed it for
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  the as they walk through that door there.
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  There was that it is forbidden to dump bodies in the river on
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  the wall I'll know because we're going to be using that set
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  later. Yeah.
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  And nobody's thought even like I'll maybe we could just put up
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  a like I don't know if sheets black sheet, something like
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  that. I don't imagine they thought
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  people were going to be watching this over and over again many
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  times in the future you know. Ducks have been on for a year.
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  Surely, they must have known my doctor who founds my life.
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  Like a doll. The appreciation society was
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  brewing up as we speak and he stopped.
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  He was already watching. Wasn't he?
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  Okay was there from? I think he watched from the, the
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  week before, the first episode, just to make sure.
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  And this is Doctor Who's first Quarry?
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  Excellent. He's where is it?
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  I don't know bed. First shit, I don't know.
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  They've gone to the top of the ravine.
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  There and shot down. Yeah.
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  No it's not see. All the extras poor and out like
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  ants. Yeah, no it's really a said
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  really well done and like and I'll give him his credit where
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  credit is due. I'll tell you what, there's two
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  sequences are obviously. We'll talk about since his
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  departure, which is very moving, but I think even more moving, is
• 21:17
  that moment where you hear? Big Bell bench?
• 21:19
  I'm yeah. And doesn't it up to say only
• 21:22
  the beginning or something like that.
• 21:24
  It's really lovely moment. Yeah, it is a lovely moments and
• 21:28
  I also think though at the end of the invasion is the best
• 21:33
  thing you've got to do with the old time.
• 21:35
  The being subjugated for you ring, bit like probably go find
• 21:40
  some food or something like that or let everybody know this stock
• 21:46
  footage. I was like, volcanic eruptions
• 21:50
  occurred? Yeah, exactly.
• 21:52
  We haven't quite, got the enemy of the world footage yet.
• 21:55
  So let's slide. It's all going on.
• 21:58
  Yeah, it still feels epic to me. I would load.
• 22:01
  There's those buildings. How many me the way I didn't
• 22:05
  realize they were used in This brilliant.
• 22:10
  All the way that wonder where that footage is from. nuclear
• 22:20
  inside into a Doctor Who and they're lovely and Davis playing
• 22:26
  Jenny now. Lifelong friendship with
• 22:28
  Jacqueline heal. Ya, but disappears.
• 22:30
  And then the final scene, the reason she's not in the final
• 22:35
  scene is because in an earlier draft, Jenny was adore.
• 22:38
  Ali was already on board. The Tardis hot, I didn't on
• 22:40
  there and she would have been the new companion before anybody
• 22:44
  was cast. Like so.
• 22:47
  And I don't even think the council was called Jenny at that
• 22:49
  point, but obviously, when they decided it wasn't going to be
• 22:53
  Jenny, that was Are in with them.
• 22:54
  They just didn't bother to writer into the final scene when
• 22:57
  they were they all say goodbye. I think I did know that but I'd
• 23:02
  forgotten that would we apply to any in the Tardis?
• 23:06
  I think it would've been a very different Dynamic.
• 23:08
  Yeah. Especially when her and Barbara
• 23:11
  finally fucked and you think yeah, it'll be very disappointed
• 23:16
  in the Romans when they reject Jenny and Barbara relaxing on
• 23:22
  those shows lingerie. But in Rome, anything, anything
• 23:26
  goes, you know what I mean? Like, isn't that book Byzantium
• 23:29
  of you're right? That I've not much keep talking.
• 23:32
  Yes, you do a bit racy. Well the driver Roman times
• 23:35
  everybody was shocked and everybody was, but they have the
• 23:37
  new adventures and BBC books. Everyone was shagging fix.
• 23:42
  Fits cried. I was having it off with
• 23:43
  everyone. Lucky fits.
• 23:46
  Yeah, did you notice mr. Rumbold then walking across with
• 23:53
  that plank of wood, totally waiting for his cue Don't you
• 24:02
  feel sorry for these actors? You know, they get they get
• 24:04
  called by their character's name was mr.
• 24:06
  Rumbold it? Oh, I love this with the shoe.
• 24:11
  Yeah, it's very sweet, honestly. She's always losing their
• 24:14
  fucking shoes. As remember keys of marinus.
• 24:17
  She can't keep your shoes on. It's just, you know they're
• 24:20
  wondering what to get rid of his.
• 24:21
  Probably run through all the shoes in the Tardis because she
• 24:23
  keeps fucking losing them. He calls her a little monkey.
• 24:31
  I mean, you just buy it though. The chemistry between them.
• 24:33
  It's so like, this is his goodbye and she sort of knows.
• 24:38
  It's a goodbye as well. And I've, you know, I've heard
• 24:43
  the vegan Doctor Who fans, I call them the vegan fans
• 24:47
  because, you know, they they shout the loudest about their,
• 24:51
  their political leanings and going on.
• 24:55
  You know, she doesn't have any agency here.
• 24:57
  The decisions taken out of her hand.
• 24:58
  That is the point. That's why it's Attic because
• 25:01
  she would never leave him. She would never go.
• 25:04
  But she has to go, you know. Chinese to build their own life
• 25:09
  with David Cameron as he did. He told me been paid by the
• 25:15
  tenant nowadays wouldn't either? Yeah, absolutely.
• 25:17
  Would he be? I mean, I don't in terms of like
• 25:20
  60s hot, man. I don't know whether this David
• 25:23
  is exactly what you would cast but like I think toilets her
• 25:29
  better. Yeah.
• 25:32
  I mean David doesn't really do it for me but you know, I'm not
• 25:35
  a sixteen-year-old Time lady called Susans.
• 25:39
  Neither am I don't do it for me. I wonder why tire was just sort
• 25:45
  of standing there then but if you know come find me later
• 25:49
  once, you know what you saw in this out but what?
• 25:51
  And once we all figure out what we're going to do with the rest
• 25:53
  of our lives, there's food over missed it.
• 25:56
  She froze, the key down in the dirt.
• 25:59
  Yeah. I'm should just that come back
• 26:02
  and Legacy of the Daleks. I feels like I feel like it's
• 26:04
  thing. Isn't one of the big finish's
• 26:06
  courses and small be one of those.
• 26:07
  Yeah. Okay.
• 26:10
  This is very weird though the way they can't actually look at
• 26:13
  each other. Yeah.
• 26:16
  I'd also like it's all that I do love you.
• 26:19
  I do, but it's a bit like, I mean, this is a very
• 26:22
  romanticized view of romance and you see in a lot of old films,
• 26:25
  but I mean, they've only had a snog and a slap around the face
• 26:29
  with a wet fish. Tank with saying this, usually
• 26:35
  don't get to episode 6 of my carpentry.
• 26:37
  So, so maybe you won't hear this but actually Marvel could be a
• 26:40
  bit like this. When it's talk about emotions
• 26:42
  and he saw tunnel is face when I sort of spin around and go.
• 26:45
  Even just grow a pair and tell me how you thinking.
• 26:47
  Yeah, I think it is a thing with men sometimes.
• 26:51
  Yeah, no, absolutely. But it feels like Susan's almost
• 26:54
  the one that doesn't want to talk about emotions but yeah, it
• 26:58
  is they do keep turning away from each other.
• 27:00
  It's very odd and, you know, the spirit here where he's like, oh
• 27:03
  baby they doing, do it much at that point, I'll be thinking
• 27:09
  about this for the rest of my life.
• 27:17
  Ba you no heart. No.
• 27:20
  Everything I said about. How do I absolutely?
• 27:23
  You know, I agree with. Obviously I said it, he had to
• 27:27
  erase this speech like a city. Yeah.
• 27:31
  It's also I think this speech gets a little bit lost in its
• 27:34
  because it was reused in the five doctors and actually the
• 27:37
  most touching bit of it, is when he just says goodbye, Susan,
• 27:40
  goodbye my dear right. Because obviously it's used out
• 27:42
  of context and they use it in adventure in time and space.
• 27:45
  Space as well. But it becomes more about the
• 27:48
  doctor when it's out of context of like, what, who the first
• 27:51
  doctor is. But actually it's all about
• 27:52
  season and it's a very touching speech speech.
• 27:55
  When you see it in context, I think I need a bit of moves me.
• 28:00
  The most is when the guy playing David finally does a bit good
• 28:05
  acting and just very understated.
• 28:07
  Lee says, he knew you'd never leave them.
• 28:10
  He doesn't fudge the line. For one saw the Harvard time, he
• 28:13
  sounds like a robot man. And this story saying his
• 28:15
  Dialogue. But yeah, he doesn't.
• 28:18
  And this like Han has not afraid of the camera.
• 28:20
  This camera gets right in his face and the second you got me
• 28:23
  pretty sure yourself when you're that exposed.
• 28:26
  Yeah. Quiet.
• 28:31
  I can, we have we have if it's a very touching to see and this I
• 28:35
  think this whole episode or this one part of it was shot in 90
• 28:39
  minutes or something like that. Really like, I've got a note
• 28:44
  here that says this was shot in 90 minutes.
• 28:45
  Now, I'm assuming it's this last section, so it's a lot to get
• 28:48
  through. It caught up in the whole
• 28:50
  episode. Put this thing, I think they
• 28:52
  only had a couple of hours in the evening for two episodes
• 28:55
  that mean they would be black blocking it all day and yeah but
• 28:59
  they just have that sort of the cameras for a couple of hours.
• 29:02
  I love as well, Harry Strokes his lapel, libraries famous for
• 29:05
  holding his lapels but the way he Strokes them with his having
• 29:08
  this more tender moment. As you know, doing his classic
• 29:12
  television is very, very small, you've got to act from the
• 29:14
  television and isn't it? So movie in the rescue, When he
• 29:19
  says, oh Susan, would you open? And they don't, he doesn't quite
• 29:24
  know what to do this here and then, you know, Barbara step in
• 29:26
  and like, yeah, you show me how to open the door.
• 29:32
  There's this lovely moment here with Susan reaches out to touch
• 29:34
  the dirt where the Tardis was like like it might still be
• 29:38
  there but it's just it's just not.
• 29:41
  I just wanted to deliver a line a bit like one of caffeine takes
• 29:43
  character scale. I'm are stuck here in this shit
• 29:46
  out honestly. And this music as well.
• 29:50
  That's great. Yeah, lovely.
• 29:53
  It sounds like a drunk organ. But I do what I really like
• 30:01
  about the 60s and they lose it in the 70s and 80s.
• 30:04
  I don't know. Why is they give time for these
• 30:08
  extended coders? Yeah, and it's lovely.
• 30:11
  And that's what you get. If you got sick hearts and, you
• 30:14
  know, there's many a problem with the six passes, but it does
• 30:17
  give you little chance for these.
• 30:19
  That they are the six-part real invasion of time and that's
• 30:22
  still that last senior leaders just so brief.
• 30:24
  Oh God. Yeah, it's horrible.
• 30:27
  But that's Graham. Graham Williams refusing to let
• 30:30
  her go and they're realizing he's going to rather than I
• 30:33
  think if you if you're going to like go in and 52 weeks of
• 30:37
  adventures with these characters, you owe it to the
• 30:40
  audience to give them a bit of time like this.
• 30:43
  Absolutely, it's still there. Clutching hands holding hands
• 30:48
  like it takes a while. Like even in invasion of time
• 30:52
  that whole sequence would have been done in 30 seconds of
• 30:55
  screen, so yeah, quit canine Marks here and then he totally
• 31:03
  weird miss you too Savage. Right?
• 31:05
  Let's get the box out, let's go. It got a new mic on me.
• 31:08
  Best mate. Don't be worried.
• 31:10
  And then this this still of the kind of next episode, the
• 31:16
  powerful enemy. It's not even that powerful than
• 31:19
  X7 almost. Like it's got a lovely character
• 31:24
  stuff and it's an absolute Corker.
• 31:28
  Well, I don't know if you know how this works at the end of the
• 31:30
  story. Laughs.
• 31:32
  Oh you do. Okay, I didn't prepare anything
• 31:34
  but I know you're going to ask me three things that I love
• 31:37
  about apartment 13B. You tell me.
• 31:39
  You tell me what, just three things that you'd recommend,
• 31:43
  Dalek invasion of Earth to people, it will bat one a piece
• 31:46
  each back and forth. Pulled off you go.
• 31:49
  I am actually, as I said, I'm turning 90 degrees 360 degrees
• 31:55
  on Richard Martin's Direction here, and I'm going to say this
• 31:58
  is the best thing you directs, especially those last three
• 32:00
  episodes. And I think everybody should
• 32:02
  check it out for what he is capable of.
• 32:05
  That's a bold claim. Honestly, that's the third time
• 32:08
  it's holding. Jump fall out their seats.
• 32:13
  I am going to say that the really impressive World building
• 32:17
  in this. I think it's such an obvious
• 32:20
  idea. The Dalek invasion of oh, and it
• 32:21
  probably could have just been a lot of sort of running around
• 32:23
  and action, but actually we meet a lot of characters from this
• 32:27
  time period, we learn a lot of detail.
• 32:29
  I like all the when they detail the, you know, the plague
• 32:32
  missile coming down and out that it was sort of in stages and
• 32:36
  things like that. Yeah.
• 32:38
  So I think, in terms of a set Eating.
• 32:41
  And Visually with the sex with the location we're going to well
• 32:44
  that I think it's one of the most Vivid settings we've ever
• 32:47
  had in the Doctor Who story. Absolutely, and to kind of build
• 32:50
  on that a bit more. I would say the film work as
• 32:54
  well which is sort of the direction and sort of the were
• 32:56
  building. It's just what the film work in
• 32:59
  the mines and stuff like that. Really sells the revolution at
• 33:02
  the end and also the scale of kind of the people enslaved and
• 33:06
  the stuff of empty London in the early episodes is just gorgeous.
• 33:10
  So, yeah, I think the Film work is my second point.
• 33:13
  We managed to get more suspense. Our last shot of that swinging
• 33:17
  claw. Remember that episode?
• 33:18
  What then he does for out the entire sequence of the Dalek
• 33:21
  salsa being attacked in episode 2?
• 33:23
  Yeah it's clearly where a lot of his dreams are.
• 33:27
  My second thing then is going to be a white and preparing things
• 33:32
  out. So I'm 83 unprepared for this,
• 33:34
  okay? I'm going to give her a juice.
• 33:37
  Is Caroline Falls leaving story? It's a story of probably gives a
• 33:41
  beyond the first episode. And past possibly sensor has the
• 33:45
  most to do. I buy the relationship between
• 33:47
  her and David. She is still a little bit whiny,
• 33:51
  but far less winded and she can be another stories.
• 33:55
  I think he's a really good exit for Susan, and I don't know why
• 33:58
  this happens, but the shit companions very often get right
• 34:03
  exits. It's a, it happen with a drink
• 34:07
  as well. Well yeah, I quite like the
• 34:08
  understated exit of mail, so if I'm honest, but it is weak.
• 34:13
  But yeah, so I'm going to say, Susan, okay.
• 34:17
  And I'm going to go to the doctor, which I know is an
• 34:20
  obvious one, but aren't all this.
• 34:22
  Just at its peak, he's owning the party and the doctor has
• 34:26
  become a hero. You know, he's there and he's
• 34:29
  like, I'm going to defeat the Daleks and that's what he does.
• 34:31
  And that iconic shot of him in the Dalek got a vision, the sir,
• 34:37
  Cool thing is just beautiful, and I just think it's also the
• 34:40
  little interactions. He has with Susan and the other
• 34:43
  characters with David, and it's like he's owning that part and
• 34:47
  he is, he's a doctor who is fully formed now as a character
• 34:51
  I think and that's dancer William heart and my last thing
• 34:54
  that is going to be it's going to be those moments of quite
• 34:58
  understated horror that hit throughout the story that make
• 35:02
  it a little bit darker and a bit more graphic than it.
• 35:05
  Is the robo man with the The knife in his back, the the
• 35:12
  rubber man, and the brother, killing each other.
• 35:15
  There's not, there's, there's some quite violent stuff in
• 35:17
  this, which these are the bit where the Dalek goes kill him.
• 35:22
  Just murder someone randomly. Yeah.
• 35:25
  All the fellows off-screen going know you're my brother.
• 35:28
  No, it's a very violent story. It's Savage.
• 35:33
  And in the it's just goes to show what a ruthless horrible
• 35:36
  Invasion. This is It's not like, it's very
• 35:40
  easy for these sorts of invasions to be played quite
• 35:43
  two-dimensionally. But favor kind of horror aspects
• 35:46
  of this and the ruthlessness of the Daleks really makes you go.
• 35:49
  I know these people have all been through some shit over the
• 35:51
  last few years and it's just been Relentless and everybody,
• 35:54
  they know is dead and they're all exhausted.
• 35:58
  But I don't see you often. We've covered this in some depth
• 36:00
  now you know I don't think anybody's got anything else left
• 36:05
  to say about the demands. I know I said we are done.
• 36:09
  We'll slide that into the, into the wall, then, and we'll slide
• 36:12
  that one. What we're doing next.
• 36:14
  We did agree on something. Oh yeah, Dima sort of Punjab
• 36:17
  Demons of the Punjab. Yes, very exciting from one end
• 36:20
  of the series, right up to the, the more recent end.
• 36:23
  It's exciting to see those two areas and as said, Earlier, I do
• 36:29
  think was they've got a lot in common so compare and contrast
• 36:33
  when we do that one, I think as well like this Punjab is pushing
• 36:39
  what Doctor Who can do visually, yeah.
• 36:43
  But with modern TV, and a modern budget and I think it looks
• 36:50
  extraordinary. I think everything about that
• 36:52
  episode is fairly extraordinary. It's a lovely, lovely episodes
• 36:56
  and I can't wait to revisit Again very soon it's gonna get
• 37:00
  this down on record just for you, change your mind, but we're
• 37:02
  also going to be in the future doing all six episodes of the
• 37:07
  flux season. We absolutely are and I cannot
• 37:10
  wait that because I love that season.
• 37:13
  I like you too, so I cannot wait to revisit it.
• 37:16
  I watched the Halloween apocalypse quite recently just
• 37:19
  as the one off, just to watch it.
• 37:20
  And I still thought it was one of the best openers of a season
• 37:23
  of Doctor Who is really, it isn't a light for me, wore this
• 37:27
  on. Terrance and Phillip are the
• 37:30
  Angels, their term, our favorites of the year are but
• 37:34
  the two of my favorites of new who, as well, I have warrants on
• 37:38
  time as it is. Probably possibly Chippendales
• 37:42
  best script. I think Jodie Whittaker.
• 37:45
  I've never been better than she is in that story.
• 37:48
  Yeah, she's fantastic. Well, I can't wait to revisit
• 37:50
  those in the future if you future.
• 37:55
  What? I just leaves me to say, a
• 37:56
  massive, thank you very much for your time.
• 37:58
  You're a busy man, but it's been an absolute Delight.
• 38:02
  Oh, it's been a pleasure and I will come back at any time and
• 38:04
  talk about any Doctor Who related nonsense with you.
• 38:08
  You'll live to regret that statement.
• 38:12
  Foom amazing. Hey, we did it.
• 38:19
  Bring this out now.