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#648 - SPINALL on Meetings with Dr. Dre, Afrobeats, Working with Burna Boy, & New Album 'When Lagos Sleeps' · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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  Speaker 1: the interview. Boutleg cap podcast. Man, we got a special
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  Speaker 1: guest in here, spin off new EP just drop today, man,
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  Speaker 1: sir by the way man EP very vibe. Thank you,
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  Speaker 1: it's a jazz instrumental. Yes, it's a vibe. Man. What
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  Speaker 1: made you like obviously people know you coming from the
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  Speaker 1: afrobeat world. What made you kind of pivot and uh
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  Speaker 1: do a jazz ep and and E execcuted it so well. Man,
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  Speaker 1: it looks like a pivot.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a pivot. It's a little left tones that
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  Speaker 2: listen to afrobeats. This call knows that jazz is the
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  Speaker 2: foundation of aphrobeats and likewise many all the music too.
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  Speaker 1: For sure, for sure, a lot of it all starts
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  Speaker 1: with jazz and blues for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So Yeah, for you, like was it was it like
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  Speaker 1: you know, you just kind of felt like I needed
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  Speaker 1: to kind of switch up, like you got you got
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  Speaker 1: so much music for people to dance too. This is
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  Speaker 1: I feel like this is like a you know, throw
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  Speaker 1: it Onking.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't a strategy thing. It was more less of
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  Speaker 2: sharing Wilson to drive. You know, we've been making a
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  Speaker 2: lot of sounds like this for a minute, we just
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  Speaker 2: never share them. And that's the first time we decided
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  Speaker 2: to put a couple out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, why not share this with the world.
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  Speaker 1: So much music sits on hard drives. We never get
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  Speaker 1: to hear facts facts.
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  Speaker 2: I also think everything shouldn't be released, you know this
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  Speaker 2: is true. Yeah, I don't think we should put out
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  Speaker 2: everything we make. But when he eats. He eats, and
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  Speaker 2: when you feel something, it's what's sharing.
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  Speaker 1: You are. You've been in LA for a few days.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a week close now.
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  Speaker 1: Someone had shared with me that you were in the
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  Speaker 1: room with some big hitters playing music. Yes, special day,
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  Speaker 1: special day for you. I don't want to say everybody
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  Speaker 1: was in there, but doctor Dre was in there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you're playing music for Doctor Dre and his reactions are crazy.
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  Speaker 1: What's what's that feel like?
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  Speaker 2: Incredible? That feels great. It's not the first time, but
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  Speaker 2: every time it feels like the first time.
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  Speaker 1: It's not the first time. You were able to make
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  Speaker 1: up with Dre.
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  Speaker 2: No, No, we walked together first on a song released
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  Speaker 2: by Flippers. Did I forget him on my song?
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  Speaker 1: It happens You have a lot of ye.
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  Speaker 2: In two thousand and three, we did a song with
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  Speaker 2: the Snake Flippers and Ayanna and Jimmy Ivan and Liberty
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  Speaker 2: Rose facilitated that. It was a song that the Snake
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  Speaker 2: was working on at the moment, and they sent it
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  Speaker 2: to me and Legos and I had some energy to
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  Speaker 2: it and it was a special time. That was the
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  Speaker 2: first time he makes the master of the record, and
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  Speaker 2: that was the first time I met him say.
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  Speaker 1: He's super I heard he's so particular about the mixing.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, uh, doctor, don't you know I think everybody knows.
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  Speaker 1: Have you like been in his studio with the big speakers.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, we made we made a few records, and if
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  Speaker 2: we start talking about doctor Dre, I don't think we ever.
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  Speaker 2: He The thing that I've learned from working on him closely,
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  Speaker 2: it's about discipline. I think that at a level like that,
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  Speaker 2: and he wakes up very early. It's like even things
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  Speaker 2: outside of studio that I'm talking about, like, yeah, real, real,
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  Speaker 2: real ones.
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  Speaker 1: Do you feel like because I feel like afrobeats as
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  Speaker 1: a genre has kind of turned into like such a
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  Speaker 1: global like kind of like the globe sound like wherever
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  Speaker 1: country you might be in, whether it's here. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: was in Thailand and it was cracking. Obviously the UK
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  Speaker 1: it is so big. What is it about you think
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  Speaker 1: like the genre that because the US we've like grabbed
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  Speaker 1: onto it. But I feel like we're still like you know,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like like burna boy will come and he'll
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  Speaker 1: do like arenas, but I still feel like we're like
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  Speaker 1: behind a little for we're's still a little behind from
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  Speaker 1: the rest of the world.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's exciting. What is happening with our genre
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  Speaker 2: is exciting, but also it's it's evolving also, And like
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  Speaker 2: you said, you know Bana Asbinia, a lot of all
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  Speaker 2: my guys from times before now I've also been here,
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  Speaker 2: like Sonya Day, all of the legends, they've all been here.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that it gets better, you know. So
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  Speaker 2: I think music also itself travels itself, and you graphic
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  Speaker 2: it to some other songs that I know, even from Nigeria,
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  Speaker 2: They're from somewhereally different, right, and I think that is
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  Speaker 2: what is spreading. I think Americans love music, Nigerians, Africans
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  Speaker 2: and people all over the world. People love music, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and I think we should. We should release as much
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  Speaker 2: your stuff as we can.
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna say for you man, you have such
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  Speaker 1: a like vast catalog and music. Yeah, who do you
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  Speaker 1: look for for inspiration as a producer, as a curator?
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  Speaker 1: Like who kind of like inspired you.
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  Speaker 2: Ellie Huon when I started or right now?
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  Speaker 1: It's just like I guess both, like because I feel
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  Speaker 1: like you kind of need inspiration to keep going, to
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  Speaker 1: keep course. But early on like too, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well I grew up listening into a lot of a
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  Speaker 2: lot of different stuff. I listened to music from home,
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  Speaker 2: a lot, music from Sonny a day, music from I've
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  Speaker 2: been in Saubay. This is like things my parents used
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  Speaker 2: to listen to. My dad also, I had a very
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  Speaker 2: diverse hears for music. It was playing our chocolate, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Curtis Midfield, it was playing my mom, was playing for
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  Speaker 2: your spends, Salawa a Beni and a lot of different stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So I caut up on that. Then as I grew
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  Speaker 2: I listened to a lot of doctor dress stuff for sure. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: of course the West Coast into scoop all the projects.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we were reading the books, to the magazines
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  Speaker 2: and yeah, I think that music itself in Nigeria where
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  Speaker 2: I leave, it's literally out there on the street.
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  Speaker 1: Such a musical place.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it's everybody's everybody's thin is not something
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  Speaker 1: That's the name of the EP.
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  Speaker 2: What happened when Lego sleeps? What's come out of some
• 8:30
  Speaker 2: of our experiences in the night after work. We're just
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  Speaker 2: pulling back to the crib and you know, we're seeing
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  Speaker 2: our quiet it guess it never gets quiet really, but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's the rhdom of the night, basically, our vibes and
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  Speaker 2: things that we've experienced from that time. Oftentimes, you know,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes when we go to the club, we leave the
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  Speaker 2: club with a different energy. Oh I'm going on to
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  Speaker 2: make a record like this, right, but we're able to
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  Speaker 2: document us making music that resonate with a time that
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  Speaker 2: we're hit. All of the songs that I've made in
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  Speaker 2: the past, I don't think I've ever made anything out
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  Speaker 2: of a place that I was not in. You know,
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  Speaker 2: my music is very true. I keep it that for
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  Speaker 2: for for the sake of honesty, you gotta be like
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  Speaker 2: pure for real. So we've made some classics and if
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  Speaker 2: you really strip them down down to the stems, you
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  Speaker 2: can see elements of jazz and them. So when they
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  Speaker 2: go sleeps pever, like I said earlier, it's more like
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  Speaker 2: or sharing music that usually die in that drive.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like two. You gotta really because great
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  Speaker 1: instrumental albums like Jay Dealer. I don't know if you
• 9:47
  Speaker 1: know Jay Dealer is one of the greatest producers of
• 9:49
  Speaker 1: all time in hip hop. But here I'm called Donuts.
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  Speaker 1: It's legendary. It's like thirty songs, it's all beats. But
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  Speaker 1: I feel like to have an instrumental album, it's got
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  Speaker 1: to be like and it to feel like it feels like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I was able to run through the project
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  Speaker 1: like it feels like.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like everybody as here is to listen. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we should try less to define music so much. It
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  Speaker 2: gets to feel, yeah, like you listen and if it's
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  Speaker 2: your thing, the rock with it. If it's not, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's still all good, you know. So I respect to
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  Speaker 2: all the iconic artists who my parents kind of like
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  Speaker 2: really were just obsessed with, right, Yeah, you know, like,
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  Speaker 2: I think the inspiration comes from home, and I'm happy
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  Speaker 2: to find people who also kind of like resonate with
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  Speaker 2: a project before it came out, and that kind of
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  Speaker 2: like gave me more confidence to put it out.
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  Speaker 1: Yea, when you do these DJ gigs I've seen some
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: of these gigs you do and they're huge. How much
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: of your set are you like planning out and how
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: much are you just in the moment, like thinking this up?
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  Speaker 1: Because I DJ clubs, So it's like sometimes you're like
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: really kind of hone in, plan it set out, and
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  Speaker 1: then other times you just you know, you're.
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  Speaker 2: Just and and that's that's the that's what talents really
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  Speaker 2: and experience comes to play. It's not like you're just
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  Speaker 2: throwing them out as experience that's playing out. You've been here,
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  Speaker 2: you understand that if I go this way, it works
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  Speaker 2: this way. And sometimes you're looking for a different reaction,
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  Speaker 2: and that's what calls for the shows that you true.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's what DJing is is submitting to the audience.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like you might have one thing planning and you
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  Speaker 1: get to the audience you're like, oh, I gotta I
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  Speaker 1: gotta go hold, Yeah, I gotta go hold the way here.
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  Speaker 2: I always plan out my sets, but it's not necessarily
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  Speaker 2: played by the rules.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah almost, Like here's a roadmap.
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  Speaker 2: It's a roadmap, but you gotta keep your eyes on
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  Speaker 2: the you gotta also listens, like looking at a Google drive,
• 11:44
  Speaker 2: a Google map, right, and you're driving somewhere Google s
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: is stun left. You gotta look first. Yeah, and even
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: sometimes when you make a right time, it still brings
• 11:55
  Speaker 2: you back to where you're headed. Dj and is fun
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  Speaker 2: and I think is of It's a very interesting profession
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  Speaker 2: that deserves a whole lot of different conversation.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, what about on the production side, what is your like?
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  Speaker 1: Are you doing everything on a computer? Are you.
• 12:17
  Speaker 2: Both? My dear w currently is fl studio. But we
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  Speaker 2: played a lot of live percussions.
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: We played bay double bays, we played a lot of
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  Speaker 2: mushroom bays, we played sacks, we played some brass, pretty
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: much double ball. When we started making music originally Afro.
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  Speaker 2: The records have put out in the past, like with Bono,
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  Speaker 2: those were done on the laptop. But for this project's
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  Speaker 2: half and half has to be we're gonna do jazz.
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: I have a band back on. I have a band
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  Speaker 2: here in La as well. I've been with the band
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  Speaker 2: in La for four years. We've been doing this since nineteen.
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  Speaker 1: This is when you come to La. You got your guys.
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  Speaker 2: We have a band.
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  Speaker 1: We're cooking up.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, we'll always cook king, Yeah, always good King.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think if you could, what in your opinion,
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  Speaker 1: American artist has embraced the wave of afrobeats the most.
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  Speaker 2: The most can be, you know, they gotta be a balance.
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  Speaker 2: How do we know the.
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  Speaker 1: Most well, I mean maybe just like collaborated the motions,
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  Speaker 1: maybe bringing people on tour.
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  Speaker 2: I think everybody's doing it. I don't know about the most.
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  Speaker 1: Chris Brown's and a lot of stuff with.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody's doing it. Doctor Dre too, Dre.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah it's crazy, but I feel like.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Dre uh like yeah, like you, everybody's doing it.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a great genre. I don't think it's
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: it's really musicians that are from there that came here, right,
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  Speaker 2: It's not five fetched. I think the music is great
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  Speaker 2: and Aphrobets also is very open to the rest of
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  Speaker 2: the world. Right, our guys collaborate with people from the
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  Speaker 2: UK from oh Man, the UK is from different plasts
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  Speaker 2: of the world, you know, not just here.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, one of my favorite It's funny because like
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people kind of got put on the
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  Speaker 1: afrobeats in a bigger way through Drake. I would say,
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  Speaker 1: like we one dance, Yeah, with one dance, but I've
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I kind of got hip because like
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: one of my favorite artists is Dave from London. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Dave is crazy and I.
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: Feel like, well, Snoop Dogg has been on apro way
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  Speaker 2: long ago I had I did not know a lot
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: of people, a lot of people, a lot of the
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  Speaker 2: guys that make the music. Yeah, Ninjurians.
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  Speaker 1: You know, so the Snoop Snoop Dogg has a reggae
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  Speaker 1: album just to We're Clean a legend. I feel like
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: you could tell me Snoop has done anything.
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  Speaker 2: Ever, I think it's a musician. Musicians do music for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I feel like that's the one thing like
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  Speaker 1: I think it's you can't be defined by like whatever
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  Speaker 1: we like, we.
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  Speaker 2: Always try and this is what I always say with
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  Speaker 2: John is great to gas music, but he's doing too
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: much definition of the music. Then you know, people should
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: have music and love what they feel like one.
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: Hundred man talk about working with Berna boy, what's what's
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: that like? Because you know he is kind of kind
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: of I would say he is the Kendrick, the j Cole,
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: the Drake of this of the of the genre. You know,
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  Speaker 1: like he's very much the guy that like if you're
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: at a club in l A and they do a
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: set real quick. If they do a little three or
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: four or five songs for the ladies in the middle
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: of their hip hop set, it's gonna be burner boy.
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  Speaker 2: That's nice. It's a great guy. Is an amazing individual
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: from Nanjeria. We collaborated in the past. We have a
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: lot of unrelease records as well. A great guy. It's been.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: It's been a great guy since then. One too. It
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: was really good with the music and it's very diverse too.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: It does it does potoa reggae, ifro greg.
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  Speaker 1: Hip hop ship. He was just on that Gunner record.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: Grey Gut Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody who I've had on the show a couple of
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: times is that David Oh.
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  Speaker 2: Grey Gut too.
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  Speaker 1: Great guy.
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  Speaker 2: He's so nice, you know, it's funny, coolest.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't realize until the second time he came on,
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  Speaker 1: so I got to ask him about it. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, hey, man, I read that your dad
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: is like in charge of like a nice chunk of
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  Speaker 1: like power in Nigeria. His dad.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's from a great family. Yeah, super cool people.
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  Speaker 1: And he like came up in Atlanta and ship like
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  Speaker 1: would you because because I feel like you always hear
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: him or whiz Kid is kind of like two of
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  Speaker 1: the guys who kind of, like I guess, broke broke
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  Speaker 1: the genre. Yeah, commercially facts, you know, Is that is
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: that fair? You think? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Of course.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: David and Whiskey definitely put afro on the pedalstal both
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: incredible human beings. I'm very close to the boath of them,
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  Speaker 2: and they make some of the best music that's ever
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  Speaker 2: come out from the continent.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Shouts to whiz Kydah, Shout out to Wieze, Shout out
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  Speaker 1: What about just who you think are like the goats
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Whiz definitely got Bona's goat da videos go to
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  Speaker 2: but you know, trajectory of music and a few things
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  Speaker 2: that has happened in the past and how accessible Whiz became.
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  Speaker 2: He did a lot of collaborations. I did a lot
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  Speaker 2: of collaborations with him as well, and a few older
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  Speaker 2: people from different points of their career.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: all collectively pull the put the genre on the on
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  Speaker 2: a big telescope. We all did, and the DJs too,
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  Speaker 2: So it's really tough to say this is favor. But
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  Speaker 2: you don't want to see what I've played.
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  Speaker 1: The most surprised that is in your playlist, surprise or
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  Speaker 1: just something random, bro.
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  Speaker 2: I listened to, I don't know, I listen to it.
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  Speaker 2: I can't show you. I listened to a lot of
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  Speaker 2: unusual stuff. Sometimes I don't know the artists, but I'm
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  Speaker 2: music itself, but it's more important to also be very
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  Speaker 2: open minded when we're listening before, like we don't used
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: to know what is singing. We just tapping and just
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  Speaker 2: like it. Then we start finding out the other things.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: I like to listen to music that way, rather than
• 20:52
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  Speaker 2: I'm also a big fan of Dato Black. She's a
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  Speaker 2: That's a guy called Means back Home to check him out.
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  Speaker 2: I can go on and on cam Well, the listen
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  Speaker 2: I think that might help better.
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  Speaker 1: There's a the company Empire has done a lot to
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, how, how how how big of
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  Speaker 3: Did a great record too together culture, But how important
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  Speaker 1: Know, I feel like it's also very purposeful with with
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  Speaker 1: on like some some of the.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's commendable. I always say people should put their
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  Speaker 2: money where the mountains and you know, support things before
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  Speaker 2: they become, you know. But yeah, a lot of great
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  Speaker 2: people who have contributed to helping AFRO empire.
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  Speaker 1: For sure.
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  Speaker 2: I've been to a lot of the events that they
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  Speaker 2: producers as well. They I've done business with them in
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  Speaker 2: the past as well, and it was really good.
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  Speaker 1: Talk to me man, you got is seven albums now, Yes, sir,
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  Speaker 1: that's a lot music. My guy, uh, my guy. Solomon
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  Speaker 1: Premiere of the space.
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  Speaker 2: God oh god, I'm spent all my world. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: shout out to Selomon. Many good guy shout out. So
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: that's good compliments because some of the people I also
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  Speaker 2: look up to.
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  Speaker 1: He's outing Kenny right now, going crazy. But I'm curious
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: this EP is it like an appetizer for the like
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: a full body of work that you're working on.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely, the collaborations are gonna be out soon. We have
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: a lot of beautiful, incredible surprises, but this wasn't something
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  Speaker 2: we we saw coming. I played it for my team
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  Speaker 2: and everybody seems to be more excited than I am.
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  Speaker 2: At a time, and we've been making this type of project,
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  Speaker 2: but we never, you know, put them out, you know
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: how it is not for sure. And we made about
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: one hundreds and something songs. Then we had a quality
• 23:43
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  Speaker 2: with what we put out and I'm looking forward to
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: what you think about it and other people. You had
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  Speaker 2: a chance to listen yet, Yeah, I listened to the EP.
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  Speaker 1: It was easy. Look, I was I was working. It's
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  Speaker 2: Thank you man, thank you. It's quite therapeutic.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. You had t I on your last project.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, sir.
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  Speaker 1: Is there an MC like in the hip hop space
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  Speaker 1: that you if you could just you know, somebody who
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  Speaker 1: you just are a fan of that you could work with.
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  Speaker 1: Who would that be if you had it your way?
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  Speaker 2: H It's a lot of people.
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  Speaker 1: Man.
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  Speaker 2: I would love to work with nas. I would love
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  Speaker 2: to work with there's a lot of people. Man, I
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  Speaker 2: can't go on and and I would love to work
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  Speaker 1: I feel like the Drake and Chris Brown things vary
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, it's nothing. I would love to
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  Speaker 2: walk with those guys.
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  Speaker 1: You gotta get Drake on the next album.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Drake a lot the boy but the most serious
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  Speaker 2: note Chris Brown, Drake Na's I'm a big fan of
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  Speaker 2: uh what's his name to Leon Thomas. I met him
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  Speaker 2: at Yes, I met him at a show last year
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  Speaker 2: and the vibes were true. Greg guy such a nice guy. No,
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  Speaker 2: Greg got no super cool guy, super talented. Yes, I
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  Speaker 2: would love to work with him too. I'm also looking
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  Speaker 2: out to work working with just musicians, you know, no
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  Speaker 2: particularly just superstars, but also all the people. You know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a collaborator, that's all I do, you know. And yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Because yeah, that's what I've been doing for fifteen years.
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  Speaker 2: M hmm RMB always wings, R and B?
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  Speaker 1: Well, which R and B song?
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  Speaker 2: Whitneystin Whitney? Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Which which Whitney.
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  Speaker 2: Though, hm hmmm, a lot of Whitney Easton records walk.
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  Speaker 2: But I would say because.
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  Speaker 1: You get the sing the sing back, right, Yeah, you
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  Speaker 2: Nineties records always also do justice. But I already imagine
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  Speaker 2: a lot of those records into my sounds.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So you've remixed a lot of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all right, not okay? One that all of
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  Speaker 2: us keeps them grooving. Sometimes I feel like at these
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  Speaker 2: spots is just really wants to fail.
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  Speaker 1: Have you tried to, because I feel like if you
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  Speaker 1: did a remix, it's a little harder because you have
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  Speaker 1: to clear stuff obviously, But if you ever thought about
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  Speaker 1: putting out just like a remix pack where it's like, yo, here's.
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  Speaker 2: You've always done that, But I'm sure but on DSPs.
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  Speaker 2: On DSPs that.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: I waste to get on SoundCloud and like YouTube.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: No, no, there are ways to get those records on
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: those platforms. I've had a lot of Beyonce remixes and DSPs.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: But you know, so DJ struggle is because it's.
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  Speaker 1: Struggle.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like the DJs and the talent that DJs
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  Speaker 2: have have to be honest in such a way that
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  Speaker 2: it works with what djits are trying to do. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I think DJs have always just been behind making records
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  Speaker 2: just go bigger, and they have connections to these songs,
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  Speaker 2: not just because they're playing them. We listen to these
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  Speaker 2: songs with our families, do you know? So I think
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  Speaker 2: that is a DJ struggle and I pray the powers
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  Speaker 2: that find a way to make that work. But I'm away.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: You can also just interapulate them and put them out.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: We've seen a lot of artists here full collab albums
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  Speaker 1: recently with producers, so like Freddi Gibbs did a whole
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  Speaker 1: six albums. Who would you like to do a full
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  Speaker 1: album where you're executive producing, your handling all the production.
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  Speaker 2: I would love to do it.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: That would be crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my guy. You know, I feel like I
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  Speaker 2: understand him. We've done a lot of records in the past,
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  Speaker 2: and I kind of like, see we talk about the
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  Speaker 2: records too, don't just like we chop it off properly.
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  Speaker 2: And it's easy to make music with people that understand you.
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  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 2: Else well, I would love to probably do something with
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  Speaker 2: Mary jay O Brandy. I see how passionate she's She
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  Speaker 1: Bro.
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  Speaker 2: You're putting me on the spot actually knowing for a while,
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  Speaker 2: I know a lot of the whole album.
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  Speaker 1: Hmmm. I think I think you and Waves would be crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Me and Always would be crazy for sure. Myself
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  Speaker 2: and Omalley too will be incredible. O'Malley is he's kind
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  Speaker 2: of like one of the pioneers too, right, maybe more
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  Speaker 2: than that, maybe more of is is defining something we
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  Speaker 2: probably have not really witnessed yet. But it's almost like
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  Speaker 2: he's heading there and it's so clear he has a
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  Speaker 2: lot of great records. He has a lot of incredible
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  Speaker 2: global smash records as well. And we put a song
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  Speaker 2: out first before he put out his EP, and ever
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  Speaker 2: She's is amazing. We made a song called one Call
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  Speaker 2: and Yeah, definitely would love to make an album with him,
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  Speaker 1: I always confused him with uh old who I was
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  Speaker 3: Is that?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, definitely fucked up. It's okay, man, it's okay, come on,
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, he was the one that signed Uh I.
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  Speaker 2: No, No, it's okay man. Yeah, shout out to the goats.
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  Speaker 1: New album coming, I'm sure yes, by the end of
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  Speaker 1: working product.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, this is what I have right now, but
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  Speaker 2: Yes, we have a few cities in the States.
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  Speaker 1: And then kind of all right, sounds good, bro, see you, yeah, man,
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